Medical negligence AT BEST. At worst attempted murder. Just FYI: Medical negligence legally it ascribes no intent or ill will behind the negative outcome. I.e. it WAS a “medical mistake” or just an accident. Malpractice ascribes intent/foreknowledge that what you were doing was wrong/dangerous and you did it anyway either hoping it would work out or because you were cutting corners. Attempted murder being straight up Homicidal and purposefully trying to kill someone. Fine lines of differentiation to be sure as someone can die in each instance but the maximum penalty is very different for each case in question.
Yesterday, Timesha's family confirmed that she passed away on Sunday, October 18. She had been in a coma for nearly two months, after she was incorrectly declared dead on August 23. The family's attorney attributed her death to brain damage suffered because she had been left without medical treatment for four hours, leaving her brain deprived of oxygen. Timesha's family is now suing the city and the paramedics, who have in the meantime had their licenses suspended and been placed on leave.
What a terrible tragedy! There is no way to compensate Timesha's grieving family for her suffering and wrongful death. There is no excuse for the horrible way this woman was treated and her family's concerns ignored.
Boredman567 --- Thank you for the update. The family should be compensated for their trauma, and the mistreatment of Tamisha. I hope the City of Detroit does not try to defend their case by claiming the loss of Tamesha did not constitute the absence of an income generating person. It's been done in cases involving the death of elders. RIP Tamesha.
Here is a link to the Daily Mail giving the time line of the events that day. As horribly sad that she has died there is more to the story than Bored stated. The fact that Geoffrey Feiger is handling this also speaks volumes. May she be free of pain & her disabilities gone as she was greeted by Jesus in heaven. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666701/Michigan-paramedics-checked-womans-vital-signs-THREE-TIMES-wrongly-declared-dead.html
Her family SHOULD have called the police and spoken directly to the doctor on the call! If I even thought for a second my child was still alive I would have pitched one hell of a fit!!
I figure that in a time of such distress, a professional can convince you that your own observations are hallucinatory - and certainly they may be, though clearly that wasn't the case here. Maybe her family began to doubt their own observations as the paramedics assured them that their relative was dead.
just read this about her actual death “She died as a result of massive brain damage that was suffered when Southfield paramedics wrongly declared her dead, and failed to provide her much-needed oxygen,”
That is so heartbreaking. If she has severe cerebral palsy, she could be non verbal, she was probably terrified. I'm disgusted how the families concerns were just ignored.
This was a whole episode of evil which you can find on Netflix and amazon prime. The girl in question on the show was not disabled but the hospital had history of stopping early on CPR.
@@shannonhensley2942 Which is interesting. I have a friend working on her nursing degree and one day a woman who had a heart attack(or something, I don’t remember) came in and they did chest compressions for over an hour even after it was obvious she was dead. My friend said the body was even changing colors but they kept going just for that off chance it gets her heart beating again. The medic in this story just...I don’t even know official procedures but I know you don’t stop after 6 minutes and call them dead.
She died shortly after this video due to the paramedics taking her to the funeral home. “She died as a result of massive brain damage that was suffered when Southfield paramedics wrongly declared her dead, and failed to provide her much-needed oxygen. Instead, she was sent to a funeral home which then discovered that her eyes were open, and that she was alive.”
Not what happened though. She was unresponsive and received CPR for at least 30 minutes .. I don’t think it was possible for her to have survived. She had cerebral palsy and was not well.
As a paramedic, the “woke up at a funeral home” story is horrifying to me. The implications that the paramedics pronounced a Detroit woman dead because she was disabled and wasn’t is horrifying
Paramedic as well, you don’t stop resuscitative efforts if there is a rhythm! PEA or not, keep working it and transport! Sounds like a gross disregard for their protocols. And what doctor is going to tell a paramedic to stop CPR for anything other than asystole? There has to be a lot more to this story.
The dependency on Dr guidance doesn't help. If it were common practice to verify death with the 7 step process like in Australia this wouldn't have been aligned with guidelines. I cannot imagine not auscultating the chest and leaving any corpse without a 2 minute rhythm strip of Asystole.
@@classicambo9781 We use a multiple step process here, and I personally don’t like to call arrests that aren’t a systole just because of the potential for error
@@classicambo9781 we’d definitely benefit from those protocols here in the US. It can vary from state to state, and individual ambulance service. Where I work, unless there’s signs of obvious death (rigor, lividity, cold, etc.) we generally start CPR and transport. I personally prefer not to pronounce on the scene. Short of obvious signs of death, I transport and let the doctor pronounce in person.
@@LindseyN1223 Also I don't exactly know how it is regulated law wise, but in most of Europe you cannot pronounce someone dead, unless you're a doctor. So a paramedic like myself is only able to "suggest" that this person is deceased if I did my vital checks or found injuries which are not possible to survive. Like a missing head, or mostly missing head, just an example there are more conditions under where I can determine NOT to start resuscitative measures.
And she presumably desperately needed medical attention. She was alive but her heartbeat and breathing were nowhere near normal, so she probably wasn't getting enough oxygen without help even without adding the bag into things.
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My Dad woke up in a morgue once back in the 60's in Reno. He wrapped the sheet around himself, walked out to the reception area and scared the beejesus out of the night attendant! He was a heavy drinker who was known for getting into bar fights. Made for his favorite story to tell afterwards though!
WOAH!!!!! What led him to be put in the morgue? I'm sorry you had to live with his alcoholism. It's genetic. Be careful. I quit when I was. My mom, dad, and I are in AA. 1984. My son doesn't drink because he knows he's genetically pre-disposed.
Here is an even worse one www.independent.co.uk/incoming/pregnant-teenager-neysi-perez-wakes-coffin-day-after-her-funeral-10472094.html That's IMHO the only good thing with embalming - you can't wake up in your grave...
I've also been in EMS for over a decade and have never heard of anyone not number one following medical command orders and two trying to write off obvious signs of life without doing any kind of assessment. Whoever was on that truck should had absolutely no business being in healthcare. I'm sure you are the same way but unless there are obvious signs of death or the patient has a DNR order that is properly filled out and signed by a physician I do absolutely everything within my power before ending resuscitation efforts.
You're telling me. The first (extremely rural) department I worked on had "determination of death in the prehospital setting" protocols that included "CPR with no response." In our protocol, the medics had to run several minutes of 12-lead showing zero electrical activity, there couldn't be any spontaneous movement or response, the entire crew and the family had to agree, resuscitation wasn't stopped until online medical direction said okay, and the body wasn't moved until a coroner or local physician showed up and actually declared in person. If the family said treat and transport (or, if a doctor or nurse said treat and transport), we treated and transported...1.5 hours to the nearest ER in the only staffed ALS unit in the district, or by life flight if the weather was good. Somehow, I think the Southfield Fire Department had somewhat less transport time or resource limitations.
Maybe I sm just paranoid but I think it is possible that someone was tired of the time, effort, and.cost of caring for this girl. Plus I am sure there had to be an insurance policy, maybe someone, anyone, felt she had no real quality of life and it would be a relief to be free of the "burden" of caring for her. Maybe the health issues and therapy had simply grown to be too much, and this episode had given them a way out that would free everyone trapped in the lives they had to live. Including the young woman herself. Just a thought....🤔
My sister has cerebral palsy and this is straight up terrifying. Massive props to the funeral home for doing their jobs. The paramedics acted out of ableism and would rather have assumed this woman to be dead than continue any investigation.
#truth. As someone who works with people with disabilities I know we have to speak for them always cause most of the time the medical staff have no clue of what they are looking at or dealing when someone can not tell them personally what is wrong.
I take care of a young man with cerebral palsy and learning that this happened has me outraged. That EMT/paramedic should be in jail for negligence, and then never allowed to work with living beings again. I hope this young lady survives and continues a happy life.
Ok here....DPOV(different point of view) Why does everything have to be racist? Especially without fact, when ALL you’ve been given in this video is the opinion that it was racist? Maybe not racist at all... stupid maybe? AND if that woman who’s been a nurse for 30 years was questioning her passing WHY DIDN’T SHE do anything? She had all the power to stop them! Call the police! What nurse would let their loved one be put into a body bag when she’s admitted herself that SHE had doubts? I’ve gone to get an ICU physician after pronouncement of death when it appeared they started breathing again.... and they were. This story doesn’t make sense.
@@sendieloo - ableism is not racism. Lol. OP posted about ableism and the story definitely has ableist undertones. It’s your opinion if racism was a factor, but remember your view of the world and its inequalities may be different than others.
@@WizKhalia13 I’m not dumb. I know the difference dear. Melissa brought up racism and that’s what I was speaking upon. Also, I didn’t just speak on racism I also spoke on the negligence of the so-called nurse in the story. I say so-called because nothing in the story proves that she was an LPN or RN. I’ve lost count of how many family members of patients told me that they were nurses when they were only CNA’s.
I am a physician. I still remember the first time I encountered a freshly deceased person. I was in my 3rd year of residency in Obstetrics and Gynecology. This unfortunate lady had terminal cancer and I was covering the Gynecologic Oncology ward. She had been sedated and died peacefully with her husband at the bedside. He thought she was asleep. I thought she had passed, but I didn't have the confidence to declare her dead, so I got a second opinion from a more senior resident. In obstetrics, we don't see a lot of death. i wasn't willing to make that call.
I am actually quite surprised she didn't have to go to a hospital first to be pronounced by a doctor, not paramedic in the field. My exs step dad died in our home year ago ( heart attack) and tried cpr while she was calling 911. When they showed up they continued cpr, hooked him to all the monitors and then took him to the hospital. There were multiple paramedics there because volunteers showed up before the ambulance and local police and a State trooper. It was pretty obvious he was dead, even to me. When I started cpr he body temp was already off but I did it to help calm my girlfriend. One of the paramedics told me not to be upset I couldn't save him and that he was most likely dead before he hit the floor. And that once cpr is started they have to see it through. He was transported to the hospital where they confirmed he was dead and that it was a hear attack. I guess they can tell with a blood test? Then he went to a funeral home. And even if they are found dead where I live they have to call the coroner before they can move the body. And I live in a fairly small city/town. Where do these people live that a paramedic can make these kinds of decisions? As for dogs, not the case where I live. I called about a dead animal once thinking animal control would have to come get it and they told me to just throw it in a dumpster or drag into the woods or something whichever was closer.
@@biteme263 it depends a LOT on the state. In some states, paramedics can declare death over the phone with a physician. In other states, it doesn't matter if the patient is in twenty pieces, we still need an MD to make the official declaration. Either way, horrible practice from the EMTs and paramedics on this one. Personally? My training is that unless it's something blatantly obvious (decapitation is a good example), we're going to attempt resuscitation and stabilization until we can get the patient to a medical center. Just in my (limited) experience as a volunteer paramedic, I've seen a few patients I would have written off as done who ended up bouncing back.
It depends state to state. In cases with a physician attended death in such situations as hospice, or someone having a terminal illness, paramedics, or nurses can declare death. Though they have to listen for lung sounds with a stethoscope as some medical devices pacemakers in particular can cause an artificial pulse as they keep firing trying to restart the heart. And if it is a physician attended death a few phone calls are made. Doctor and coroner, and then the body can be picked up directly by the funeral home. I'm surprised that the paramedics took the body to the funeral home. That sounds very abnormal.
When my 98 year old grandfather died in 1983 in Arkansas, he was declared dead by myself (R.N.) and picked up by the funeral home we chose. He had pancreatic cancer and heart failure so was under a physician’s care and considered terminal. But I did listen to his heart and lungs with a stethoscope even though I could tell he was dead in other ways.
I don't get why they're going after the funeral home. The incompetent medical staff is the one who made the error. It seems to me like they were bias and thought that the family didn't actually want her resuscitated because of her disability. They didn't even use a stethoscope, just pure laziness.
Ditto. I highly doubt they would have started on her, no matter what their lawyer says. Just stupid to blame the funeral home. This isn't their fault, it's the EMTs and who ever they called.
@@aprilsanchez614 and to all of the above, she has now died of brain damage {hypoxia from being sealed up in a body bag for 2 hours?} and the family is suing. Fieger {attorney} has filed a $50 million lawsuit against Southfield EMS Paramedics in the case of Beauchamp.
My daughter is disabled including CP and this is why parents of medical kids are so hyper-vigilant because there are people who don't respect their humanity. People will write things off as part of their disability and won't listen to the family that something isn't right. Some will lie outright then try and claim they didn't when you call them on it.
One of the things my partner tells me, is don't let them diagnose you with anything, because if anything happens that might overlap symptoms with it, they will instantly dismiss it as your medical problem. I find this so hard to believe until I see what they do with my elderly mother in law. Everything is 'because of her age'. I'm like, noooo, its because she can't breathe, not because she's 90.
My sister has CP, and every time she's hospitalized, my mom can't leave her room, because the moment she does, they intubate her because "her breathing is weak" when that is just always how her breathing just IS. And then EVERY TIME, WITHOUT FAIL she has ACTUAL trouble breathing when they try to take the tube out. My mother has told them countless times, "DON'T DO THE THING." and they STILL do the thing.
Best thing a doctor, who happened to be my tutor at the time, ever told me regarding disabled kids (it was during my paediatrics rotation): "Always treat them as you would other children, absolutely always. Talk, smile, play, tickle, ask them before you ask their parents. They are someone's child, not a freak to be looked at, not furniture to be disregarded." He was also categorical about listening to the parents, particularly when there were underlying conditions. "They know their kids. They know a different normal, one you're not familiar with. Listen to them." That man is awesome. He's an amazing doctor and one of the best teachers I ever had. I don't deal with children anymore, only adults. Disability, especially severe mental disability, or severe physical disability that hinders communication, is incredibly challenging. We are somewhat trained to be ableists, so it does take effort and will to remove the prejudice from the picture and look at the person. I had this cognitively preserved but paralised from the neck down patient that would communicate with blinks, and this idiot of a med student walks in, making all sorts of comments and starts to examine the man without ever talking to him. I walked over and lightly hit him over the back of his head. "This is Jon Doe, he's 24, he was involved in a freak accident playing sports. He can hear you, he can understand you, he just can't talk back. Do you know how I found all that out? I asked him. You failed to obtain consent before examining him and your bedside manner is disgraceful. You're off this case. Apologise and be gone." Damn, I was appaled, but that was oddly satisfying.
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i cant imagine the grief the family must have experienced. imagine being told your child died (just on it's own that's an absolutely horrific thing to go through), only to be told theyre actually alive, then weeks later they pass away for real. the heartbreak of losing a loved one is enough as it is, imagine having to deal with losing the same person twice in a matter of weeks.
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As a disabled woman I have experienced what it’s like to be treated horribly for something you can’t help. I can’t say what it’s like to be a black disabled woman or being a dead disabled person. But I can tell you we are treated as if we are not human or we’re idiots. I don’t have the disability’s she has but I’m honestly horrified at how they treated her.
You can be an advocate for other disabled people, even if you don't have their disabilities. It's not white knighting because you are also disabled in one way or another.
absolutely agree, as a fellow disabled person myself. just saw a comment where someone explicitly called her "quality of life" as being "nil" and insinuating that she's better off dead (she later passed away, sadly) and it made me so, so furious, because we know they'd say the same about us if we couldn't talk or advocate for ourselves. that's why it's so important to speak up for women like this, when they can't do so themselves, and even their families are ignored. we can amplify each other's voices. we may not share all the same conditions, nor the same contributing factors like race or gender, but disability is the one demographic which spans all others, and therefore solidarity is paramount if we want to survive and thrive.
As a paramedic with over 30 years experience I am appalled: This patient had a pulse, respirations, and a cardiac rhythm. How a decision was made that the patient was deceased is beyond me!!
As another EMS worker I’m appalled by this Medics actions, but it shows what happens when racism and ableism meet in medicine. This medic sounds like he just wanted to not deal with the patient at all. I wonder if it was shift change soon & he wanted a fast easy call? It’s sad because many times were already seen as the low end of the totem pole and not respected, then a guy like this does something so bad we’re again fighting for basic respect! In NYC we joke Fire the Bravest, Police the Best, EMS the forgotten it’s sad!
@@vamppanic Unfortunately racism, ableism, misogyny, transphobia, fat-shaming are deeply imbedded in the medical industry. If we ever manage to untangle it, I doubt it will be in our lifetime.
Another factor could have been economic. If the woman didn't have insurance that means the paramedic and hospital wouldn't be getting paid. Passing her off the funeral home was away for them to avoid having to take on another expensive charity case. The main issue is America lacks a universal healthcare system like most countries have. The poor are the ones who have to suffer because of it. Thousands of people die every due lack of access to quality healthcare. Just another reason to support Medicare for ALL.
I’m guessing as someone who has a mild disability and a massive disability she was over looked due to being disabled and also extra due to the colour of her skin the amount of misconduct I’ve seen towards me and disability’s I’d be scared of how much misconduct there is for her and she almost got her really hurt
she is still in hospital as of last month, “Beauchamp remains in critical condition at a hospital. The family’s attorney, Geoffrey Fieger, said only her brain stem was functioning”.
This happened right near me...this is heartbreaking. Side note, I love how the reporter described her eyes as beautiful. A sweet sentiment in such a heartbreaking case.
I truly can’t imagine how terrified Tamesha must’ve been, especially being unable to speak up for and defend herself. I hope her and her family get justice for this, they must be so angry at this situation.
@@sarahp6512 Even when unconscious the brain is working and there’s evidence to suggest that people are often more aware than they seem, unfortunately, in this case. I hope she has no knowledge of this.
@@evanlinden4410 Thanks for sharing that intimate detail- I was referring to the remark about the state of women’s healthcare issue sorry if you were offended
An ex boyfriend had cerebral palsy, and I'm grateful that he never had a life-threatening experience while we were a couple. I find this incomprehensible and unacceptable; paramedics are often under pressure, but they're trained better than, "Oops, not breathing, where's that body bag?"
My daughter has CP although she is able to speak and care for herself... but she still experiences a TON of brushing off by medical professionals. It's so hard to get people to actually investigate what the problem is rather than just "it's because she has CP"
Obviously check your local laws, but I'm pretty sure when a relative dies at home, you don't have to agree to them being taken away immediately and can request that they're left for the night and picked up the next morning. It's not that long ago that wakes used to be a really common thing.
Here in Argentina this is a very common fear. Funerals are 24 hrs at a minimmum with an open coffin and it is that long because it is "in case they are alive and come back". A Funeral is called a "velatorio" which comes from velas = candles because you stay with your deceased loved one up all night, like I said, in case they come back. Also, it was quite common for cripts and mausoleums to have a door bell on the inside in case someone woke up, so they could alert the "living". My family's mausoleum was built early 20th century and it has a doorbell on the inside.
Apart from the mausoleum/bell thing, that's how my family do funerals. We also prepare the body for funerals ourselves, at home, from childhood (i think i was about 8 when i first did it). I always wanted to work in a funeral home because I'm comfortable around dead bodies because of our customs, but i do talk as I'm doing things, so i decided not to because it might be classed as disrespectful. Shame though.
Tristemente quienes perdimos familiares por covid nunca tuvimos la oportunidad de velar a nuestro familiar, solo se fueron directo al crematorio. Aun tengo pesadillas donde mi padre despierta dentro del horno. Estamos viviendo algo horrible.
Update: she died (for real) about 8 weeks later. The family sued for 50 million (still in litigation, as of Dec. 2020). The supervisor claimed the situation was due to 'Lazarus syndrome'. The EMS workers involved had their licenses revoked...initally. The EMS workers sued to stop the revocation and won...they had to retake the certification test, participate in extra training in regards to dealing with families and the main worker had to write a three page essay about what he learned.....
A three page essay!?!? That’s what my mother made one of her 3rd grade students do when he stole the class turtle. That is not an appropriate punishment for what happened here!
@Heather Lynn Maybe it would happen less if we stopped reinstating the licenses of EMS workers who declare people dead despite clear and obvious signs of life.
All I can say is this...in my state, Texas, where I was a paid firefighter/EMT for 29 years, ambulances do not deliver bodies to funeral homes. Paramedics do not declare death, unless there is a very well defined set of circumstances presented. Decapitation, decomposition, things like that. A strip must be run from a heart monitor for at least 60 seconds showing no electrical activity, a BP reading of 0 must be obtained and no breathing observed. Only then will the medical director be contacted for a declaration of death. And, at anytime, the family can insist that the patient be transported to a hospital. So, there's my 2 cents worth on the matter. If any part of this story, as reported, is true, several people should be banned from any form of medical practice at any level. Paid or volunteer.
Same where I worked as an ER RN. Even lividity doesn’t allow an EMT to declare death because there are medical conditions that living people can have that causes lividicus rash. It has to be actual decomposition or decapitation. Low and slow HRs can look like no VS.
My elderly aunt woke up at the funeral home. She fell asleep during her brother's funeral. She is very elderly, & it became a funny joke, because she was snoring loudly. Even she laughed about it.
Their ego and especially their biases. Disgusting. She may have lived if not for the prolonged lack of oxygen. They got their licenses back after a recertification too.
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Unfortunately they got recertified after they sued (she died 8 weeks after this case and the family sued) to get their certification renewed. They had to go through training again and then wrote a 3 page essay to say what they’d learned.
he was just making up excuses on the spot. seems to me like the paramedics didn't want to bother with treatment (particularly physically tiring CPR) anymore because they saw a black woman with cerebral palsy as not worth the effort. "life unworthy of living" is what the nazis called all the disabled people they murdered (aktion T4).
Well, to be honest, it’s not likely to be a mistake he’ll ever make again, so actually makes him safer in that respect than people who’ve never made such a massive error.
That's the problem with systemic racism. It rarely makes sense, causes many tragedies, and it's absolutely disgusting. Worse, it's so ingrained a lot of people don't even know they're doing it.
As a disabled woman: THANK YOU! for pointing out that we are absolutely NOT treated the same as everyone else, regardless of how conscious and vocal we may be. I have short gut and short bowel syndrome and was once sent for a contrast CT scan because they didn't believe I only had the 6.5 feet of intestine and bowel that I said I did; the doctor came into my hospital room after reading the scan and said "Oh. You really do only have 6.5 feet of intestine..." and this was a hospital I go to. FREQUENTLY. They have my records which state this. STILL this doctor felt the need to check yet again against both my word and the words of other doctors at that hospital. I get treated like I'm a child frequently (I'm 31) and talked down to simply because I am a paraplegic. Ok, I do look younger than I am, but I definitely don't look 8 like I'm treated sometimes.
I have diabetes and I too am treated like an idiot. Doctors and nurses, physical therapists. They see you as a disease or illness. Since I get Medicare disability they also insist on a million tests you've had a zillion times and are unnecessary.
@@denicesanders4586 I know what you mean, I've had so many repeat x-rays and CAT scans that I should have some kind of super power by now. And yes, that is considering how little radiation there is actually given off by those things nowadays! I have been lucky and have a wonderful GP and amazing specialists, but any time I end up at the ER (I go the same hospital, even though it's 4 hours away) it's just the luck of the draw; it always seems like I get there at shift change too so I swear I always have at LEAST 2 different ER doctors until I'm admitted.
This infuriates me to no end. EVERY person I have ever come across who has a disability always has at least one experience of being treated like shit for no goddamn reason. I'm sick of it. The amount of times people living with disabilities should be treated in that way is zero.
If a body came back alive, I would refund that family’s money. So many professionals failed them and they didn’t do their due diligence, not even after the family shared their concerns. The paramedics cut corners and it’s terrifying to think it might not be the first time.
I would hope that no one was charged for funeral services in this case considering that you usually don’t pay ahead of time for those sorts of things in my experience
This shows a very serious issue yet again. You mentioned it, even medical professionals treat patients with conditions such as cerebral palsy like they can be written off. Sad reality.
@Matthew Chenault I don't live in the US. The problem is international. I have seen it in Eastern Europe, Western Europe and in the US. It's personal observations during Erasmus exchanges, and talking to friends.
@Matthew Chenault her godmother was a nurse, her opinion was ignored. Cerebral palsy is caused by a virus which affects the "pyramidal tracts" in the spinal cord. The brain remains functioning but different vegetative functions and motor functions are affected. With care the patients can survive to 30+ years, unless very severe and in need of machine support. Usually, people with irreversible conditions are treated with less precision and care, or with apathy and annoyance. Including by some well trained medical practitioners. Mismanagement, poor judgment and prejudice I guess.
So. As a woman with Cerebral Palsy myself I just told my able-bodied sister that when I supposedly die, either demand a fucking autopsy (corpses usually don't bleed) or don't let them embalm me and don't bury me 'til I start rotting. Not sure of the legality of that last part but goddamn it's scary that that poor woman was declared dead in part because she was disabled with known health-problems that could possibly make her just suddenly drop dead. And I dunno what meds she's on, but the only thing I know that could cause vitals 'false-positives' is a fucking pacemaker trying to restart a dead heart.
I don't think it has anything to do with CP and their meds but an excuse used. Her peofond disability and they some people view it was probably more accurate. I don't know of any CP meds that would cause something close to false positif sign. Being a woman of color and disabled contributed to the bad traitement. My mother has CP and she has suffered example of a lack of medical care due to this. To be fair we now know that on top of her CP she must have a genetic illiness that is being investigated via me. She was adopted and wen I started suffering things that she went through I was confused since they said it was due to her CP. Me and my boys don't have CP but there is a clear evolution towards some jnjsual heath issue. We know now it is related to channelopathy disorder. Covid put additional treatment and investigation on hold for me. When she started her incident they blames it on CP and anxiety. Then again let me mention she lived and still dies in a very small town, while I reside near some of the best hospital and it still took me 10 years to have some answer, after having to proove it wasn't psychological.
My son has cerebral palsy, albeit much more mild than the young woman in this story. It is very common for doctors to brush everything off as part of cerebral palsy no matter what I say, so it's not surprising to me that the family was completely ignored. Sad situation
That must be so frustrating (to put it mildly) for you. I know two other people who've experienced that same "If you've got [insert name of disease or disorder here], it's impossible that you're now suffering from another, additional disease or disorder" attitude from doctors. One of these people is a woman who has schizophrenia, but is very high-functioning and intelligent and holds down a job, and she had always been very healthy physically. So it was alarming (to everyone but her doctor) when she began experiencing a variety of puzzling physical symptoms. These symptoms would come and go unpredictably and would sometimes be felt in one area, sometimes in another. You know, kind of like ... multiple sclerosis? But no, her doctor really seemed to believe that someone who's diagnosed with schizophrenia can't possibly develop some other disease. 🙄 It was a very long time before she was finally listened to and got the MS diagnosis.
It's kind of a cliche, but I believe it's actually true: most mothers have pretty good instincts about their children's health when something is wrong or has changed. I think doctors should at least hear a mother out.
This is tragically true of a lot of disabilities, not just CP. "Oh it's Autism's fault you're X." "Oh you're blind so you can't sense X." "Oh fibromyalgia doesn't exist."
No it can't be that. It has to be evetything is racist. Including the probably mostly black, or atleast large portion black medical personnel of Detroit. According to race baiters.
I've spoken to Caitlin behind the scenes in the past - and I can only thank her again from the absolute bottom of my heart for once again elevating the stories of those of us who need most be heard. I was almost killed last month by this blasé attitude toward disabled people and their needs. Except it was my (soon to be ex) husband who denied me care and invalidated my agency. I was left alone and unable to move for 7hrs after a fall caused a brain bleed and I had begged to be taken to the hospital. I was denied medical treatment and had no phone to call for myself, and I've since been told I was overruled because "it usually isn't that big of a deal." I am a literal disability activist who has been hiding her abuse for a decade. Man that is humiliating to say. But if it was me, it can really be ANYONE. I'm finally at the start of escaping my abuser who has convinced me for over a decade I have no options because of my disability. Far, far, far too many people with disabilities, like myself, do not have families to care for them and are forced to stay in these abusive relationships because our benefit income is significantly less than minimum wage and we have no other options. We get told there is this program and that - but there really is not enough out there to keep us from such devastating poverty that (especially if youre extremely sick, like I am) staying in the abuse doesn't seem better somehow. My daughter almost didn't have her momma on her 8th birthday because we have created a situation in our society where I am forced to stay with an abuser because we don't give a flying crap about disabled people. The paramedics stopped 6min before the hospital gave permission for them to cease on Timesha. She is a human. She is loved. That attitude about Timesha is why we as disabled people are being killed on the regular - we die at the hands of our caregivers at an even higher rate than we should be for our medical conditions. Doubly so for women of color and those of us who are LGBTQ+. And many of us are forced to live in subhuman standards because our nation, our culture, doesn't really care if I have to put up with a decade of abuse to keep a roof over my head. Please remember that when you vote. November and always.
Disabled people are in just as much danger of ableism and medical malpractice as of harm directly resulting from illness or disability. I'm 2 years late here, but thank you for talking about this.
The terrifying thing isn't "hooo spooky they woke up!" but not being taken care of when in a critical condition and the risk of dying, like imagine not being conscious and being locked in what is essentially a fridge, or y'know, autopsy
I love your show and I have a true story to contribute. When I was in high school a girl I knew had a fascinating mother. She told us about her Great Grandmother and how she was buried alive about 1916 in Kentucky. She had died suddenly and as was the custom was prepared for burial but without embalming her. There was a viewing the night before and some boys noticed that she was wearing her wedding ring. After the burial and everyone went away, these boys came back to the cemetery and dug her up to retrieve the ring. When I opened the coffin they discovered that her finger was swollen and they couldn't get the ring off. So, they decided to cut her finger off instead. When they started cutting she woke up and the boys got scared and naturally took off without the ring. Her finger was fine with just a small cut. She got up from the coffin without having any fear about where she was, and walked home. Naturally, she didn't have her house key so she knocked on the door and her husband answered. Well, you can imagine what it looked like after that unexpected visit. Anyway, to conclude, she was alright after this experience and happily lived another 50 years before her final end came. I have been wanting to share this story for over 60 years and you made it possible. Thank you! John Dunkle class of 65.
A similar thing happened with a toddler. She woke up at her own funeral and then died hours later. This was a few days ago in Mexico. It is such a terrifying thing
Yep. I repeatedly remind my med student wife that nurses are the ones in charge, just so the ones she works with get a break from the docs who think they run the place. Fortunately, she loves nurses anyway.
@@SewardWriter My uncle, who is a doctor, once told me that without nurses and the medical secretaries to run things at hospitals and clinics, he and the other doctors would just be running around like clueless idiots. I don't even think he was exaggerating either 😄
@@Khenfu_Cake Doctor here, he was not. Rule number one of being a doctor, as I was told by a resident on my first day on rotation (still a med student): "do not piss off the nurses, listen to the nurses, be nice to the nurses, they're in charge of your patients for most of the day." If a nurse tells me that there's something wrong, I get over there and check, they're pretty much always right. With the pandemic, there was an outbreak in one of the wards of my hospital. One of the patients, that had tested negative earlier, turned out to be positive and have Covid. He had 4 other infected patients, but the worst bit was that out of the 8 nurses in that ward 6 were positive, as well as 3 of the aids . Needless to say, the following morning was a mess, as there were 4 or 5 doctors there in the morning (between assistants, residents and interns), all equally clueless about how to go about their day. And medical secretaries not only run the place, they pretty much rule it by virtue of ordering your pile of paperwork. Most of them are "no nonsense allowed" women that could probably take down the Board.
I appreciate how you didn’t just falter and say it was the paramedic’s mistake, but called out the underlying issues of discrimination in medical treatment. That’s what makes this channel so good, social justice and morbidity all in one place.
Hi Caitlin, Excactly 1 year tomorrow my dad passed away. He lost his battle to cancer. YOU have helped answer many of my questions after my dad left this world. I have still continued to watch your videos since. Your videos have comforted me greatly. Thank you for being here on RUclips and making these videos!!!! With all my love, Kathy~
I don’t know. We got meat raffles in the midwest. You get drunk, enter a meat raffle for some squirrel and badger meat, then throw it all out the window onto the yard when you regain sobriety lol.
As a Kentucky resident, a transplant, I found both stories fascinating. That poor woman. The poor girl suffered traumatic injuries that no human should ever have to endure. Hope some heads roll. And the Kentucky Meat Shower? Outstanding. Have you read about the blue people in Kentucky? Not as interesting as a KMS, but still a good read. Thank you for your wit and kindness. And for well, putting fun back in funeral.
The gentleman who drove my elementary school-bus had a parachute fail to open during his service in the Korean War. At his funeral, lying in his casket, his eyes popped open and the festivities were interrupted by a surprisingly living guest of honor!
you sure thats true? a military corpse being transported from korea to the us (or just from a hospital to a funeral most of the time) will be embalmed and i dont think thats very survivable.
I'll have to research it by his name (it may have been WWII-my father served in both, and told me about my bus driver), but for all I know, the funeral story actually happened (I was told this story well over 35 years ago, so the details may be a little blurry).
You are so adorable Kaitlyn. I love how you are so expressive with your eyes and tell such funny stories. I always learn interesting things too. Thanks so much!
Hi Caitlin. My mum-in-law passed away on Thursday and after watching your videos for the past few years it really helped me explain everything to my 12 year old son. He went in to see his ninnin shortly after she passed and said goodbye. With your help I gave him choices, described how different she looked and prepared him. He decided he wanted to pay his respects and he wasn't shocked because of our preparation. I learned from you to be honest and frank and to treat death as part of the cycle of life and it saved him from having any regrets about not saying his last goodbye to his beloved ninnin. Your content also helped me hugely in dealing with how I dealt with her illness and inevitable passing too. Together we chose what flowers she wanted, her favourite hymns, what kind of funeral she preferred and I even got to show her the cemetery she would be laid to rest in and she said, "Oh it's beautiful!" Thank you. x
Me too.,ironically my job before my illness properly took hold of me was caring & being an advocate for learning disabled people.I now find myself in a position of having absolutely nobody & worsening health & at 53 I' m going to have to put ' something's in place .Certainly not going to pre-arrange a funeral as there's nobody there anyway.My family ,what tiny amount I.still have left completely bailed out on me the more ill I became..life is :' ironic' to say the least ;) Ever want anyone to talk to.,then say hello.😊xx
Me too.,ironically my job before my illness properly took hold of me was caring & being an advocate for learning disabled people.I now find myself in a position of having absolutely nobody & worsening health & at 53 I' m going to have to put ' something's in place .Certainly not going to pre-arrange a funeral as there's nobody there anyway.My family ,what tiny amount I.still have left completely bailed out on me the more ill I became..life is :' ironic' to say the least ;) Ever want anyone to talk to.,then say hello.😊xx
I'm a lawyer with disabled family members and I have to go with them to every single health appointment worst part is I have chronic health issues. doctors who take me seriously when I speak for other people just don't give a fuck when I talk about my own self.
My dad used to work at a funeral home when I was a kid. They had 2 different people who came in over a 15 yr period that were actually still alive. The mortician did a mirror check because they were suspicious. One died shortly after being sent back to the hospital, the other survived and made a full recovery. Those stories have always scared me so bad!
@@minacerra It's when you take a hand mirror and put it under someone's nose or over their mouth to see of it gets any condensation. If there's no condensation they're not breathing, it's really useful if the heartbeat is slow or soft enough that they did get mistaken for dead.
I knew a person who worked at a hospital morgue many years ago who found a supposedly dead body to still be alive. She (the supposedly dead body) was an elderly woman who had suffered a stroke. She was rushed to ICU as her vital signs were very weak. Unfortunately, she died several hours later. She may have died regardless but... The person who told me this also said that there was quite the cover up over it all. Apparently she was found to still be alive quite soon after arriving at the morgue, but what a terrible thing to happen! The person who told me this wasn't the type of person who told tall tales and they insisted that it wasn't a second hand story.
I just found out that my stepmother is now terminal with cancer - and my grandmother died of cancer this past February. I don't know exactly why this is, but all of your videos have really demystified a lot of things for me around death and the death industry and I feel - I don't know. Less freaked out? Yes, I'm upset and sad and mad and all of those things grieving people are. But also empowered, because I feel confident I can help my family manage all of this. Fortunately everything is preplanned, but there's still stuff to do and decide. And I was able to manage the same for my grandmother when my grandfather and mother were just too wracked with grief to manage it themselves. Thank you. Not only is it entertaining to learn from you, but its incredibly valuable, and helpful.
Especially that she told the sky meat shower story!!! It's a gross one but so remarkable! I've already heard about it, but it's interesting every time - and _Caitlin_ telling it? 10/10 would watch again!
Yeah, it’s shady and deceiving but I kind of understand his motives to get people paying attention to the issue. I’m not mad, he might just genuinely not know but I just don’t like the inaccurate portrayal of mortician capabilities. They’re not dumb, they know dead body when they see it
"The Kentucky Meat Shower, which is not a sex act" This is the internet and that sounds like a challenge, I give it a few hours before you are proven wrong.
My cousin had cerebral palsy, I found her "dying." When the paramedics arrived they stood around and just looked at her before taking her away while I was desperate for help.I don't think they really tried to save her. By the time she got to the hospital she had passed. Maybe if they tried actual life saving measures she would still be here.
@@maxsdad538 Sorry - what award? I know I didn't write the original comment but Tamesha's family deserve the terrible medical personnel be punished and to be financially compensated for their (the family, obvs) suffering for sure.
Paramedics don't pronounce death. Ever. You call a doctor over the phone, tell him or her what is going on, and the doctor gives orders to terminate resucitation efforts. And then you stop there.
@@solentbum The US used to be more like that, then exceptions like decapitation started rolling in and it's been downhill from there. And even if policies and regulations are in place, this was clearly a case of negligence like she mentioned, they stopped 6 minutes before they should have even before calling the doctor.
@Taylor Swiftie There are not nearly enough doctors in the US to go to every dead body. Paramedics have an extensive education and are trusted with operating independently in order to treat people and save lives. If they can be trusted to do that, they can do this. Mistakes happen in all aspects of medicine and it's terrible. But it is exceptionally rare and we learn from them.
"She would have noticed hordes of gagging vultures . . . " Would she? Would she? This IS a community that willingly tasted mystery meat that came from the sky after a dog got sick from it! Maybe they gagged elsewhere and the twister with the brothers took them all up and stopped short of her county but flung the meat further? The big question in the flying meat story is: was the dog ok?
It's so wacky to me that the lawyer would say "she would have been embalmed alive!!" when that is demonstrably not true. It sounds like she was never even close to that, someone at the funeral home took one look at her & could clearly see she was alive. I'm not mortician, but even I know if you're close enough to stick a needle in someone you're close enough to notice that *they still have a pulse*. You'd think a lawyer would know better than to publicly say something his opponent could disprove in five minutes.
Yes, but if it got to a jury trial, and that was said in court, even if stipheled and 'the Jury is to ignore that comment', it would still be lodged in their brain the possibility. Extremely effective.
@@pennydaytreasures8173 Sadly, it seems like more people are shocked by anything having to do with morticians than are shocked by black people getting mistreated. That's just 2020 for you I guess.
caitlin: now time to talk about something nobodys been asking me: dang is it gonna be a boring topic or something caitlin: the kentucky meat shower me: YES YES YES YES YES
It’s Caitlin. You know it’s not going to be boring. The only real question is: in what way are you about to be surprised Remember, this is the same woman who said, “My Sundays are boring. I just had brunch with friends” Video of brunch: Brunch with Drag Queens. Show tunes & impersonations with eggs Benedict is an interesting brunch
And that's why it needs a DOCTOR to declare someone dead in Germany. As paramedics, we cannot do so and have to try to revive someone until declared dead. Rare exceptions are "trauma that contradicts the possibility of life"... e.g: Heads' off!
Ita required in the USA too. Acls protocol is followed for 30 minutes, then a doctor is radioed and given a report on the patient. What rhythms they were in, what meds were given, any shocks given. Then the doc calls time of death or says bring them in.
Technically a doctor did pronounce her dead, but it was based on a phonecall not an in person examination, which seems like a system in need of overhaul and I have no idea why doctors would be OK with that level of liability that they make a decision that they can be held responsible for based on taking someone else's word for it (someone else who isn't supposed to be qualified to make that call).
@@ElizabethJones-pv3sj then we may as well start transporting every cardiac arrest again. Everything (competant) medics do is what is done in the hoapital for cardiac arrest. A big reason protocols were changed so that its all stays on scene is because quality compressions are nearly impossible in the back of a moving truck. Not every department can afford the automatic thumper. Staying on scene really does give the patint the best chance. When the medics do what they are supposed to anyway.
@@ElizabethJones-pv3sj I recently went for my CPR Certification course and our instructor recalled performing CPR on a child for 20 minutes before his colleague (a fellow paramedic) took over. How could these paramedics been allowed to stop over a phonecall from a doctor who wasn't there to verify? Edit: I'm rewatching the video and they had an AED attached???
@@emb_ivy it's surprising given how upset doctors seem to be about losing any power e.g. here the AMA (basically the doctors union) frequently complains about nurse practitioners being allowed to treat things that used to be solely doctors domain. The overhaul is not necessarily the doctor seeing in person but clearly more accountability than take my word for it via phone needs to be implemented. Some sort of record should be there to back up the paramedics word. A digital record of the required checks should be kept and given the stuff an apple watch can tell your phone about your heart health departments could commission a way to send digital records via a similar app to the hospital. I'm not saying it's a solution ready to go but if governments care about the health of the people they are supposed to serve this would be an investment. Plus whoever develops it first could make their money back via licensing it to other health departments.
Being buried alive is one of my fears, especially since I have low blood pressure. Bradycardia can be so low you think the person is dead. 😱😱😱😱 I also have cold limbs (low pressure does this). Thank you for pointing out the flaws of our society has over its treatment of black women, and especially those of us with disabilities. 😘🥰
This is something I am a little worried about as well, and I've been considering getting a medical ID bracelet. I have a form of dysautonomia that causes me to have low blood pressure. Sometimes my blood pressure crashes so low that it can't be detected by the blood pressure cuff. When my blood pressure get's so low I have a hard time thinking and I get really out of it. I also faint when I try to sit up or stand up. I'm concerned that when it happens again, I'll pass out and not be able to think clearly enough to communicate with whoever's around me. Hopefully, my heart beat is still pretty obvious. I'm not sure what happens to my heart beat when my blood pressure crashes, but normally it's a little on the high side.
"I've been a nurse for 38 years..." 38 YEARS. The woman has been saving lives and caring for the sick for 38 YEARS and they couldn't even give her the professional courtesy of a second look?! Let alone just doing their job! 🤦♀️
Think this story is more about ableism and what may well be some sort of attempt at 'mercy killing'. Not sure of all the facts, but for 4 firefighters/EMS to go so far out of their way to not recessitate seems abit wonky. Also odd that a nurse of 38 years wouldn't be more proactive if she really thought they were bagging up a relative she knew may not be dead...so many weird things in this story.
@@fortusvictus8297 Thank you That is what I said! I have been in the medical field for over 25 years myself. Maybe the plot twist in this story is that the God mother may have done something and called the ambulance to make it seem more legit but things didn't go quite as she planned. Remember, care takers of the disabled are just as shady and do things like I just mentioned. Then try to flip the script and blame the EMTs. Seen it happen.
They should at least give the family a second look. I'm going to get a mirror to check her breathing and demands the stethoscope to check her vitals. You say a defibrillator can check for pulse? Awesome!
I can not express how interesting I find your videos. I've always had an unhealthy sense of impending doom that's given me terrible depression and anxiety and I feel like these videos kinda help. Super weird but I just love all this knowledge and also your moral take on the rights of the dead. Things I had just never considered. Much love from Australia x Dan
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thats not a medical mistake, thats medical negligence
Medical negligence AT BEST. At worst attempted murder.
Just FYI:
Medical negligence legally it ascribes no intent or ill will behind the negative outcome. I.e. it WAS a “medical mistake” or just an accident.
Malpractice ascribes intent/foreknowledge that what you were doing was wrong/dangerous and you did it anyway either hoping it would work out or because you were cutting corners.
Attempted murder being straight up Homicidal and purposefully trying to kill someone.
Fine lines of differentiation to be sure as someone can die in each instance but the maximum penalty is very different for each case in question.
Malpractice
Negligence is a legal term
Negligence is a legal
And maybe some racism.
Yesterday, Timesha's family confirmed that she passed away on Sunday, October 18. She had been in a coma for nearly two months, after she was incorrectly declared dead on August 23. The family's attorney attributed her death to brain damage suffered because she had been left without medical treatment for four hours, leaving her brain deprived of oxygen. Timesha's family is now suing the city and the paramedics, who have in the meantime had their licenses suspended and been placed on leave.
That is awful I hope the family get justice and the medical professionals that did this lose their jobs
What a terrible tragedy! There is no way to compensate Timesha's grieving family for her suffering and wrongful death. There is no excuse for the horrible way this woman was treated and her family's concerns ignored.
Thanks for the update. What a horrific thing to happen, I hope she gets justice
Boredman567 --- Thank you for the update.
The family should be compensated for their trauma, and the mistreatment of Tamisha.
I hope the City of Detroit does not try to defend their case by claiming the loss of Tamesha did not constitute the absence of an income generating person. It's been done in cases involving the death of elders.
RIP Tamesha.
Here is a link to the Daily Mail giving the time line of the events that day. As horribly sad that she has died there is more to the story than Bored stated. The fact that Geoffrey Feiger is handling this also speaks volumes. May she be free of pain & her disabilities gone as she was greeted by Jesus in heaven. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666701/Michigan-paramedics-checked-womans-vital-signs-THREE-TIMES-wrongly-declared-dead.html
Disgusting that her family was disregarded when voicing concerns that she could still be alive.
As a nurse I don't understand how her Godmother could let the EMTs take her. And the attorney is a total jerk!
Especially as one of her family is a NURSE!! 😠😠😠😡😡😡
Her family SHOULD have called the police and spoken directly to the doctor on the call! If I even thought for a second my child was still alive I would have pitched one hell of a fit!!
disgraceful, I would have fired them.
I figure that in a time of such distress, a professional can convince you that your own observations are hallucinatory - and certainly they may be, though clearly that wasn't the case here. Maybe her family began to doubt their own observations as the paramedics assured them that their relative was dead.
Imagine the horror of being alive and placed in a body bag and not being able to communicate that you’re still alive. absolutely heartbreaking.
Why they used to put a string in a casket attached to a bell up top....
Or cremated 😓
I seriously doubt any of her brain was functional enough for her to know anything.
@@828enigma6 They tested for brain activity. It was there.
@@nhmooytis7058 That’s where the term ‘dead ringer’ came from : )
She eventually died. Caitlyn was correct that her lack of medical attention caused irreparable damage.
That's sad.
just read this about her actual death “She died as a result of massive brain damage that was suffered when Southfield paramedics wrongly declared her dead, and failed to provide her much-needed oxygen,”
Thank you for the update. It's so sad and frightening.
@@EmmAPestilenciA so pretty much, they killed her.
This is ridiculous 😒
“The funeral home professionals were the only people here who know what a living person looks like.” I AM LIVING FOR THIS QUOTE!!!
Couldn't imagine if they had actually gone about preparing "the body"....!!!!
Was that pun planned? lol
@@TheMistressMisery 😂😂😂😂
I want a heartfelt gothic movie with this as a significant line in the narration
That is so heartbreaking. If she has severe cerebral palsy, she could be non verbal, she was probably terrified. I'm disgusted how the families concerns were just ignored.
i can't imagine how traumatizing that experience was. how do you ever trust people after that...
poor sweetheart!
I hope the family can get her help, perhaps EMDR treatment for PTSD would work for her if she survives. Poor woman.
This was a whole episode of evil which you can find on Netflix and amazon prime. The girl in question on the show was not disabled but the hospital had history of stopping early on CPR.
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Which is interesting. I have a friend working on her nursing degree and one day a woman who had a heart attack(or something, I don’t remember) came in and they did chest compressions for over an hour even after it was obvious she was dead. My friend said the body was even changing colors but they kept going just for that off chance it gets her heart beating again.
The medic in this story just...I don’t even know official procedures but I know you don’t stop after 6 minutes and call them dead.
She died shortly after this video due to the paramedics taking her to the funeral home.
“She died as a result of massive brain damage that was suffered when Southfield paramedics wrongly declared her dead, and failed to provide her much-needed oxygen. Instead, she was sent to a funeral home which then discovered that her eyes were open, and that she was alive.”
Not what happened though. She was unresponsive and received CPR for at least 30 minutes .. I don’t think it was possible for her to have survived. She had cerebral palsy and was not well.
As a paramedic, the “woke up at a funeral home” story is horrifying to me. The implications that the paramedics pronounced a Detroit woman dead because she was disabled and wasn’t is horrifying
Paramedic as well, you don’t stop resuscitative efforts if there is a rhythm! PEA or not, keep working it and transport! Sounds like a gross disregard for their protocols. And what doctor is going to tell a paramedic to stop CPR for anything other than asystole? There has to be a lot more to this story.
The dependency on Dr guidance doesn't help. If it were common practice to verify death with the 7 step process like in Australia this wouldn't have been aligned with guidelines. I cannot imagine not auscultating the chest and leaving any corpse without a 2 minute rhythm strip of Asystole.
@@classicambo9781 We use a multiple step process here, and I personally don’t like to call arrests that aren’t a systole just because of the potential for error
@@classicambo9781 we’d definitely benefit from those protocols here in the US. It can vary from state to state, and individual ambulance service. Where I work, unless there’s signs of obvious death (rigor, lividity, cold, etc.) we generally start CPR and transport. I personally prefer not to pronounce on the scene. Short of obvious signs of death, I transport and let the doctor pronounce in person.
@@LindseyN1223 Also I don't exactly know how it is regulated law wise, but in most of Europe you cannot pronounce someone dead, unless you're a doctor. So a paramedic like myself is only able to "suggest" that this person is deceased if I did my vital checks or found injuries which are not possible to survive. Like a missing head, or mostly missing head, just an example there are more conditions under where I can determine NOT to start resuscitative measures.
Just imagine how little oxygen she was getting inside the body bag. This is really a sad story.
And she presumably desperately needed medical attention. She was alive but her heartbeat and breathing were nowhere near normal, so she probably wasn't getting enough oxygen without help even without adding the bag into things.
@@junbh2 Yes. Her breathing was probably very shallow which would cause a drop in her blood oxygen level. Just very tragic.
she actually died after that because of brain damage caused by lack of oxygen
Hopefully she became unaware very quickly, but still it’s really hard to think about for the family, I’m sure.
@@curtisscott9251 Wouldn’t that oxygen get used up and replaced by CO2 as the person breathed?
“This study shows that if you’re a morbidly curious individual you’re more psychologically resilient during the pandemic...” Interesting🤔
Scientists also say that if you are a black metal fan, it adds a +3 bonus to pandemic resilience. And by worshipping Lucifer you can gain an immunity, but also a -4 combat penalty against nuns wielding holy water.
*me having anxiety attacks because this pandemic has screwed me over* : "ha ha yeah I'm psychologically resilient!
Hmmm... This is actually a good research topic... Should I...?
Treasury Of Snow the flu has a cure and a vaccine and also asking people to not breathe on everything all the time isn’t what communism is
oh that's us
My Dad woke up in a morgue once back in the 60's in Reno. He wrapped the sheet around himself, walked out to the reception area and scared the beejesus out of the night attendant! He was a heavy drinker who was known for getting into bar fights. Made for his favorite story to tell afterwards though!
Jesus lol
WOAH!!!!! What led him to be put in the morgue?
I'm sorry you had to live with his alcoholism. It's genetic. Be careful. I quit when I was. My mom, dad, and I are in AA. 1984. My son doesn't drink because he knows he's genetically pre-disposed.
@@monicapyle "Jesus lol" -- speaking of which...
I’m so glad his story had a happy ending.
Ehhhhh I don’t know about this.
As a 30+ year veteran paramedic, this has to be the WORST story of medical malfeasance I've heard.
Thank you for your service and dedication!
Here is an even worse one
www.independent.co.uk/incoming/pregnant-teenager-neysi-perez-wakes-coffin-day-after-her-funeral-10472094.html
That's IMHO the only good thing with embalming - you can't wake up in your grave...
I've also been in EMS for over a decade and have never heard of anyone not number one following medical command orders and two trying to write off obvious signs of life without doing any kind of assessment. Whoever was on that truck should had absolutely no business being in healthcare. I'm sure you are the same way but unless there are obvious signs of death or the patient has a DNR order that is properly filled out and signed by a physician I do absolutely everything within my power before ending resuscitation efforts.
You're telling me. The first (extremely rural) department I worked on had "determination of death in the prehospital setting" protocols that included "CPR with no response." In our protocol, the medics had to run several minutes of 12-lead showing zero electrical activity, there couldn't be any spontaneous movement or response, the entire crew and the family had to agree, resuscitation wasn't stopped until online medical direction said okay, and the body wasn't moved until a coroner or local physician showed up and actually declared in person. If the family said treat and transport (or, if a doctor or nurse said treat and transport), we treated and transported...1.5 hours to the nearest ER in the only staffed ALS unit in the district, or by life flight if the weather was good.
Somehow, I think the Southfield Fire Department had somewhat less transport time or resource limitations.
Maybe I sm just paranoid but I think it is possible that someone was tired of the time, effort, and.cost of caring for this girl. Plus I am sure there had to be an insurance policy, maybe someone, anyone, felt she had no real quality of life and it would be a relief to be free of the "burden" of caring for her. Maybe the health issues and therapy had simply grown to be too much, and this episode had given them a way out that would free everyone trapped in the lives they had to live. Including the young woman herself. Just a thought....🤔
My sister has cerebral palsy and this is straight up terrifying. Massive props to the funeral home for doing their jobs. The paramedics acted out of ableism and would rather have assumed this woman to be dead than continue any investigation.
#truth. As someone who works with people with disabilities I know we have to speak for them always cause most of the time the medical staff have no clue of what they are looking at or dealing when someone can not tell them personally what is wrong.
I take care of a young man with cerebral palsy and learning that this happened has me outraged. That EMT/paramedic should be in jail for negligence, and then never allowed to work with living beings again. I hope this young lady survives and continues a happy life.
Ok here....DPOV(different point of view)
Why does everything have to be racist? Especially without fact, when ALL you’ve been given in this video is the opinion that it was racist? Maybe not racist at all... stupid maybe? AND if that woman who’s been a nurse for 30 years was questioning her passing WHY DIDN’T SHE do anything? She had all the power to stop them! Call the police! What nurse would let their loved one be put into a body bag when she’s admitted herself that SHE had doubts? I’ve gone to get an ICU physician after pronouncement of death when it appeared they started breathing again.... and they were. This story doesn’t make sense.
@@sendieloo - ableism is not racism. Lol.
OP posted about ableism and the story definitely has ableist undertones. It’s your opinion if racism was a factor, but remember your view of the world and its inequalities may be different than others.
@@WizKhalia13 I’m not dumb. I know the difference dear. Melissa brought up racism and that’s what I was speaking upon.
Also, I didn’t just speak on racism I also spoke on the negligence of the so-called nurse in the story. I say so-called because nothing in the story proves that she was an LPN or RN. I’ve lost count of how many family members of patients told me that they were nurses when they were only CNA’s.
I'd be much more surprised if someone woke up DEAD at a funeral home. Or anywhere.
I mean it does happen on the rare occasion. If you count the whole 'muscle contractions causing corpse to sit-up' as "waking up". :D
Very much so....yes..lol
@@13thMaiden Caitlin has told us this doesn't happen!
Caitlin has done a video on the condition where people are convinced they are dead. So there's that.
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I am a physician. I still remember the first time I encountered a freshly deceased person. I was in my 3rd year of residency in Obstetrics and Gynecology. This unfortunate lady had terminal cancer and I was covering the Gynecologic Oncology ward. She had been sedated and died peacefully with her husband at the bedside. He thought she was asleep. I thought she had passed, but I didn't have the confidence to declare her dead, so I got a second opinion from a more senior resident. In obstetrics, we don't see a lot of death. i wasn't willing to make that call.
I’m literally not allowed to put a DOG in a cadaver bag until I verify it’s heart rate with as stethoscope
I am actually quite surprised she didn't have to go to a hospital first to be pronounced by a doctor, not paramedic in the field. My exs step dad died in our home year ago ( heart attack) and tried cpr while she was calling 911. When they showed up they continued cpr, hooked him to all the monitors and then took him to the hospital. There were multiple paramedics there because volunteers showed up before the ambulance and local police and a State trooper. It was pretty obvious he was dead, even to me. When I started cpr he body temp was already off but I did it to help calm my girlfriend. One of the paramedics told me not to be upset I couldn't save him and that he was most likely dead before he hit the floor. And that once cpr is started they have to see it through. He was transported to the hospital where they confirmed he was dead and that it was a hear attack. I guess they can tell with a blood test? Then he went to a funeral home. And even if they are found dead where I live they have to call the coroner before they can move the body. And I live in a fairly small city/town. Where do these people live that a paramedic can make these kinds of decisions? As for dogs, not the case where I live. I called about a dead animal once thinking animal control would have to come get it and they told me to just throw it in a dumpster or drag into the woods or something whichever was closer.
@@biteme263 it depends a LOT on the state. In some states, paramedics can declare death over the phone with a physician. In other states, it doesn't matter if the patient is in twenty pieces, we still need an MD to make the official declaration.
Either way, horrible practice from the EMTs and paramedics on this one. Personally? My training is that unless it's something blatantly obvious (decapitation is a good example), we're going to attempt resuscitation and stabilization until we can get the patient to a medical center. Just in my (limited) experience as a volunteer paramedic, I've seen a few patients I would have written off as done who ended up bouncing back.
yall use cadaver bags for dogs...we use large black trash bags.
It depends state to state. In cases with a physician attended death in such situations as hospice, or someone having a terminal illness, paramedics, or nurses can declare death. Though they have to listen for lung sounds with a stethoscope as some medical devices pacemakers in particular can cause an artificial pulse as they keep firing trying to restart the heart. And if it is a physician attended death a few phone calls are made. Doctor and coroner, and then the body can be picked up directly by the funeral home. I'm surprised that the paramedics took the body to the funeral home. That sounds very abnormal.
When my 98 year old grandfather died in 1983 in Arkansas, he was declared dead by myself (R.N.) and picked up by the funeral home we chose. He had pancreatic cancer and heart failure so was under a physician’s care and considered terminal. But I did listen to his heart and lungs with a stethoscope even though I could tell he was dead in other ways.
I don't get why they're going after the funeral home. The incompetent medical staff is the one who made the error. It seems to me like they were bias and thought that the family didn't actually want her resuscitated because of her disability. They didn't even use a stethoscope, just pure laziness.
Ditto. I highly doubt they would have started on her, no matter what their lawyer says. Just stupid to blame the funeral home. This isn't their fault, it's the EMTs and who ever they called.
Yes I agree!
I agree! If it wasn't for the work of the funeral home who knows what could have happened. In my opinion they saved her life.
@@aprilsanchez614 and to all of the above, she has now died of brain damage {hypoxia from being sealed up in a body bag for 2 hours?} and the family is suing. Fieger {attorney} has filed a $50 million lawsuit against Southfield EMS Paramedics in the case of Beauchamp.
To pronounce death you need to listen for a min. of 2 min for a heartbeat
My daughter is disabled including CP and this is why parents of medical kids are so hyper-vigilant because there are people who don't respect their humanity. People will write things off as part of their disability and won't listen to the family that something isn't right. Some will lie outright then try and claim they didn't when you call them on it.
Very, very true. Well said
One of the things my partner tells me, is don't let them diagnose you with anything, because if anything happens that might overlap symptoms with it, they will instantly dismiss it as your medical problem. I find this so hard to believe until I see what they do with my elderly mother in law. Everything is 'because of her age'. I'm like, noooo, its because she can't breathe, not because she's 90.
My sister has CP, and every time she's hospitalized, my mom can't leave her room, because the moment she does, they intubate her because "her breathing is weak" when that is just always how her breathing just IS. And then EVERY TIME, WITHOUT FAIL she has ACTUAL trouble breathing when they try to take the tube out. My mother has told them countless times, "DON'T DO THE THING." and they STILL do the thing.
Best thing a doctor, who happened to be my tutor at the time, ever told me regarding disabled kids (it was during my paediatrics rotation): "Always treat them as you would other children, absolutely always. Talk, smile, play, tickle, ask them before you ask their parents. They are someone's child, not a freak to be looked at, not furniture to be disregarded." He was also categorical about listening to the parents, particularly when there were underlying conditions. "They know their kids. They know a different normal, one you're not familiar with. Listen to them." That man is awesome. He's an amazing doctor and one of the best teachers I ever had.
I don't deal with children anymore, only adults. Disability, especially severe mental disability, or severe physical disability that hinders communication, is incredibly challenging. We are somewhat trained to be ableists, so it does take effort and will to remove the prejudice from the picture and look at the person.
I had this cognitively preserved but paralised from the neck down patient that would communicate with blinks, and this idiot of a med student walks in, making all sorts of comments and starts to examine the man without ever talking to him. I walked over and lightly hit him over the back of his head. "This is Jon Doe, he's 24, he was involved in a freak accident playing sports. He can hear you, he can understand you, he just can't talk back. Do you know how I found all that out? I asked him. You failed to obtain consent before examining him and your bedside manner is disgraceful. You're off this case. Apologise and be gone." Damn, I was appaled, but that was oddly satisfying.
@@pipitameruje you are made of awesome win! Thank you! I adore the fact that you are passing on that way of looking at people on to the Jr Docs. Fantasic work!
i cant imagine the grief the family must have experienced. imagine being told your child died (just on it's own that's an absolutely horrific thing to go through), only to be told theyre actually alive, then weeks later they pass away for real. the heartbreak of losing a loved one is enough as it is, imagine having to deal with losing the same person twice in a matter of weeks.
“That science tells us dead bodies do not do” lol
I'm no scientist, but even I had to roll my eyes at "her condition and her medications causing her chest to rise".....COME ON!!!!!
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I died lauging at that xD
@@AxxLAfriku ...wat?
@@AxxLAfriku huuuuhhh??
(Although now I'm tempted to check out your YT)😏
Caitlyn: "The Kentucky Meat Shower, which is NOT a sex act"
Internet: "Challenge aceepted"
It isn't a band name either, surprisingly.
Sounds better than a Portuguese Breakfast.
@@Kamila-ey5vi I'm not even going to ask *WHY* you know about this. I'm afraid that the answer may scar my psyche for life! 🤯
@@dernudel1615 I'm almost afraid to ask......
@@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 its a how i met your mother reference haha
"They were the only professionals here who knew what a living person looks like." I laughed. Out loud.
As a disabled woman I have experienced what it’s like to be treated horribly for something you can’t help. I can’t say what it’s like to be a black disabled woman or being a dead disabled person. But I can tell you we are treated as if we are not human or we’re idiots. I don’t have the disability’s she has but I’m honestly horrified at how they treated her.
You can be an advocate for other disabled people, even if you don't have their disabilities. It's not white knighting because you are also disabled in one way or another.
absolutely agree, as a fellow disabled person myself. just saw a comment where someone explicitly called her "quality of life" as being "nil" and insinuating that she's better off dead (she later passed away, sadly) and it made me so, so furious, because we know they'd say the same about us if we couldn't talk or advocate for ourselves. that's why it's so important to speak up for women like this, when they can't do so themselves, and even their families are ignored. we can amplify each other's voices. we may not share all the same conditions, nor the same contributing factors like race or gender, but disability is the one demographic which spans all others, and therefore solidarity is paramount if we want to survive and thrive.
She's actually really lucky she ended up right at the funeral home rather than a morgue freezer.
Oh jeez, I didn't even think about that,
Colette Santoro this is way more terrifying
As a paramedic with over 30 years experience I am appalled: This patient had a pulse, respirations, and a cardiac rhythm. How a decision was made that the patient was deceased is beyond me!!
As another EMS worker I’m appalled by this Medics actions, but it shows what happens when racism and ableism meet in medicine.
This medic sounds like he just wanted to not deal with the patient at all. I wonder if it was shift change soon & he wanted a fast easy call? It’s sad because many times were already seen as the low end of the totem pole and not respected, then a guy like this does something so bad we’re again fighting for basic respect! In NYC we joke Fire the Bravest, Police the Best, EMS the forgotten it’s sad!
sounds like ableism and racism overtaking morality and professionalism to me
@@vamppanic Unfortunately racism, ableism, misogyny, transphobia, fat-shaming are deeply imbedded in the medical industry. If we ever manage to untangle it, I doubt it will be in our lifetime.
Another factor could have been economic. If the woman didn't have insurance that means the paramedic and hospital wouldn't be getting paid. Passing her off the funeral home was away for them to avoid having to take on another expensive charity case. The main issue is America lacks a universal healthcare system like most countries have. The poor are the ones who have to suffer because of it. Thousands of people die every due lack of access to quality healthcare. Just another reason to support Medicare for ALL.
I’m guessing as someone who has a mild disability and a massive disability she was over looked due to being disabled and also extra due to the colour of her skin the amount of misconduct I’ve seen towards me and disability’s I’d be scared of how much misconduct there is for her and she almost got her really hurt
That poor girl. That is heartbreaking. Imagine how terrifying that experience must have been for her.
Rachel G That was my first thought. Poor girl, I can't even imagine.
I imagine the experience was quite terrifying for the funeral home employees too.
I live by this place
she is still in hospital as of last month, “Beauchamp remains in critical condition at a hospital. The family’s attorney, Geoffrey Fieger, said only her brain stem was functioning”.
@@PrettyPinkPeacock Thank you for the update, although it is sad news.
This happened right near me...this is heartbreaking. Side note, I love how the reporter described her eyes as beautiful. A sweet sentiment in such a heartbreaking case.
I truly can’t imagine how terrified Tamesha must’ve been, especially being unable to speak up for and defend herself. I hope her and her family get justice for this, they must be so angry at this situation.
Given that she's in critical condition, she likely wasn't even conscious, and may still be unaware of what happened.
@@sarahp6512 Even when unconscious the brain is working and there’s evidence to suggest that people are often more aware than they seem, unfortunately, in this case. I hope she has no knowledge of this.
@@Jade-g6p I hope so too. It's awful that this happened and I hope she gets the justice and care she deserves.
For her sake, I hope she wasn't conscious - or at least not conscious enough to understand what was happening
@@sarahp6512 I really hope that was the case, this poor woman...
As someone with cerebral palsy this is particularly horrific
RIP Tamisha
Hope you’re not female as well
@@ritahall2378 Non-binary but assigned female at birth
@@evanlinden4410 Thanks for sharing that intimate detail- I was referring to the remark about the state of women’s healthcare issue sorry if you were offended
It's really sad that this most likely happened because of her disability. If she weren't disabled I bet this would have never happened
Poor poor
My sister has cerebral palsy just like this girl, and this story scares the absolute living shit out of me for her.
Pulse oximeters are inexpensive, and usually have a heartbeat indicator. It might be a good idea to keep one on hand.
An ex boyfriend had cerebral palsy, and I'm grateful that he never had a life-threatening experience while we were a couple. I find this incomprehensible and unacceptable; paramedics are often under pressure, but they're trained better than, "Oops, not breathing, where's that body bag?"
My daughter has CP although she is able to speak and care for herself... but she still experiences a TON of brushing off by medical professionals. It's so hard to get people to actually investigate what the problem is rather than just "it's because she has CP"
Obviously check your local laws, but I'm pretty sure when a relative dies at home, you don't have to agree to them being taken away immediately and can request that they're left for the night and picked up the next morning. It's not that long ago that wakes used to be a really common thing.
....I HEAR YA............
Here in Argentina this is a very common fear. Funerals are 24 hrs at a minimmum with an open coffin and it is that long because it is "in case they are alive and come back". A Funeral is called a "velatorio" which comes from velas = candles because you stay with your deceased loved one up all night, like I said, in case they come back.
Also, it was quite common for cripts and mausoleums to have a door bell on the inside in case someone woke up, so they could alert the "living".
My family's mausoleum was built early 20th century and it has a doorbell on the inside.
Interesting info here. Thanks for sharing.
Apart from the mausoleum/bell thing, that's how my family do funerals. We also prepare the body for funerals ourselves, at home, from childhood (i think i was about 8 when i first did it). I always wanted to work in a funeral home because I'm comfortable around dead bodies because of our customs, but i do talk as I'm doing things, so i decided not to because it might be classed as disrespectful. Shame though.
Tristemente quienes perdimos familiares por covid nunca tuvimos la oportunidad de velar a nuestro familiar, solo se fueron directo al crematorio. Aun tengo pesadillas donde mi padre despierta dentro del horno. Estamos viviendo algo horrible.
Is it just me or does Alive in a funeral home” sound like a panic at the disco coverband?
alive! in a funeral home
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omfg it does
I chime in with a "haven't you people ever heard of putting bells on toes"
"I chime in with a 'Haven't you people ever heard of... checking the goddamned corpse.'"
Update: she died (for real) about 8 weeks later. The family sued for 50 million (still in litigation, as of Dec. 2020). The supervisor claimed the situation was due to 'Lazarus syndrome'.
The EMS workers involved had their licenses revoked...initally. The EMS workers sued to stop the revocation and won...they had to retake the certification test, participate in extra training in regards to dealing with families and the main worker had to write a three page essay about what he learned.....
They should not have won. Those people did not simply screw up.. they just didn't give a damn. How gross.
A three page essay!?!? That’s what my mother made one of her 3rd grade students do when he stole the class turtle. That is not an appropriate punishment for what happened here!
The only patients those swine should be helping are organ transplant patients.
Excuse me? He wasn't mean to a substitute teacher, he costed a family a lifetime of suffering, and quite probably a young woman's life.
@Heather Lynn Maybe it would happen less if we stopped reinstating the licenses of EMS workers who declare people dead despite clear and obvious signs of life.
All I can say is this...in my state, Texas, where I was a paid firefighter/EMT for 29 years, ambulances do not deliver bodies to funeral homes. Paramedics do not declare death, unless there is a very well defined set of circumstances presented. Decapitation, decomposition, things like that. A strip must be run from a heart monitor for at least 60 seconds showing no electrical activity, a BP reading of 0 must be obtained and no breathing observed. Only then will the medical director be contacted for a declaration of death. And, at anytime, the family can insist that the patient be transported to a hospital. So, there's my 2 cents worth on the matter. If any part of this story, as reported, is true, several people should be banned from any form of medical practice at any level. Paid or volunteer.
Same where I worked as an ER RN. Even lividity doesn’t allow an EMT to declare death because there are medical conditions that living people can have that causes lividicus rash. It has to be actual decomposition or decapitation. Low and slow HRs can look like no VS.
My elderly aunt woke up at the funeral home. She fell asleep during her brother's funeral. She is very elderly, & it became a funny joke, because she was snoring loudly. Even she laughed about it.
Sad that this NURSE questioned the medics, and instead of rechecking, their ego let this poor girl go to a FH! 🤬🤦🏼♀️
Their ego and especially their biases. Disgusting. She may have lived if not for the prolonged lack of oxygen. They got their licenses back after a recertification too.
Not a nurse. A paramedic. Way different
They were Paramedics
@@katscratchfever3506Yeah, RN's have way more training than paramedics
I'm waiting when Caitlin finally releases an album with hit songs such as: "Kentucky Meat Shower," "Demon Babies," "Middle Ages Were Magic," and, of course, a hidden bonus track: "Secret Porpoise."
I hope she sees this 😂😂 made my night 🤙🏻
Don't forget "Jeremy Bentham's Head."
Don't forget the Rap Battle between Bentham's Head and Haydn's Head.
I’d be all over that!
Omg now I’m going to be singing “Middle Ages Were Magic” for *another* two weeks! 🤦🏻♀️
6:00 no amount of the strongest drug can cause a dead person to breathe. That paramedic should never be allowed near a dying person again.
living people either
Unfortunately they got recertified after they sued (she died 8 weeks after this case and the family sued) to get their certification renewed. They had to go through training again and then wrote a 3 page essay to say what they’d learned.
@@jessicathomas73 I agree but this shit is broken
he was just making up excuses on the spot. seems to me like the paramedics didn't want to bother with treatment (particularly physically tiring CPR) anymore because they saw a black woman with cerebral palsy as not worth the effort. "life unworthy of living" is what the nazis called all the disabled people they murdered (aktion T4).
Well, to be honest, it’s not likely to be a mistake he’ll ever make again, so actually makes him safer in that respect than people who’ve never made such a massive error.
As a woman of color, thank you for speaking out ♥️💐
As a disabled person, I agree
Wwre all colored I'm white
@@BethanyWooton🙄 your racism is unnecessary.
When they Ignored a nurse of 38 YEARS??? On top of it all??? So absolutely disgusting.
Not only did the paramedics, but the girls' family ignored her too?
That's the problem with systemic racism. It rarely makes sense, causes many tragedies, and it's absolutely disgusting. Worse, it's so ingrained a lot of people don't even know they're doing it.
As a disabled woman: THANK YOU! for pointing out that we are absolutely NOT treated the same as everyone else, regardless of how conscious and vocal we may be. I have short gut and short bowel syndrome and was once sent for a contrast CT scan because they didn't believe I only had the 6.5 feet of intestine and bowel that I said I did; the doctor came into my hospital room after reading the scan and said "Oh. You really do only have 6.5 feet of intestine..." and this was a hospital I go to. FREQUENTLY. They have my records which state this. STILL this doctor felt the need to check yet again against both my word and the words of other doctors at that hospital. I get treated like I'm a child frequently (I'm 31) and talked down to simply because I am a paraplegic. Ok, I do look younger than I am, but I definitely don't look 8 like I'm treated sometimes.
I have diabetes and I too am treated like an idiot. Doctors and nurses, physical therapists. They see you as a disease or illness. Since I get Medicare disability they also insist on a million tests you've had a zillion times and are unnecessary.
@@denicesanders4586 I know what you mean, I've had so many repeat x-rays and CAT scans that I should have some kind of super power by now. And yes, that is considering how little radiation there is actually given off by those things nowadays! I have been lucky and have a wonderful GP and amazing specialists, but any time I end up at the ER (I go the same hospital, even though it's 4 hours away) it's just the luck of the draw; it always seems like I get there at shift change too so I swear I always have at LEAST 2 different ER doctors until I'm admitted.
This infuriates me to no end. EVERY person I have ever come across who has a disability always has at least one experience of being treated like shit for no goddamn reason. I'm sick of it. The amount of times people living with disabilities should be treated in that way is zero.
@@KT-ed1dk 🌹
@@ZebrasAreAwesome011 💕
If a body came back alive, I would refund that family’s money. So many professionals failed them and they didn’t do their due diligence, not even after the family shared their concerns. The paramedics cut corners and it’s terrifying to think it might not be the first time.
More like store credit.
We'll catch you later!
I would hope that no one was charged for funeral services in this case considering that you usually don’t pay ahead of time for those sorts of things in my experience
@@freemandiaz5123 lmao 😂
What are you talking about? They didn't pay for anything. They didn't have a funeral so they don't owe the funeral home anything. Calm down
I mean even if someone was dead and turned back to life it’s really not their fault
I'd be absolutely furious.. That poor girl, my god! So beyond heartbreaking!
This shows a very serious issue yet again. You mentioned it, even medical professionals treat patients with conditions such as cerebral palsy like they can be written off. Sad reality.
@Matthew Chenault I don't live in the US. The problem is international. I have seen it in Eastern Europe, Western Europe and in the US. It's personal observations during Erasmus exchanges, and talking to friends.
@Matthew Chenault Also, I think saying "oh, it's Detroit" says a lot about you and your views.
@Matthew Chenault her godmother was a nurse, her opinion was ignored. Cerebral palsy is caused by a virus which affects the "pyramidal tracts" in the spinal cord. The brain remains functioning but different vegetative functions and motor functions are affected. With care the patients can survive to 30+ years, unless very severe and in need of machine support.
Usually, people with irreversible conditions are treated with less precision and care, or with apathy and annoyance. Including by some well trained medical practitioners.
Mismanagement, poor judgment and prejudice I guess.
So. As a woman with Cerebral Palsy myself I just told my able-bodied sister that when I supposedly die, either demand a fucking autopsy (corpses usually don't bleed) or don't let them embalm me and don't bury me 'til I start rotting. Not sure of the legality of that last part but goddamn it's scary that that poor woman was declared dead in part because she was disabled with known health-problems that could possibly make her just suddenly drop dead. And I dunno what meds she's on, but the only thing I know that could cause vitals 'false-positives' is a fucking pacemaker trying to restart a dead heart.
I don't think it has anything to do with CP and their meds but an excuse used. Her peofond disability and they some people view it was probably more accurate. I don't know of any CP meds that would cause something close to false positif sign. Being a woman of color and disabled contributed to the bad traitement. My mother has CP and she has suffered example of a lack of medical care due to this. To be fair we now know that on top of her CP she must have a genetic illiness that is being investigated via me. She was adopted and wen I started suffering things that she went through I was confused since they said it was due to her CP. Me and my boys don't have CP but there is a clear evolution towards some jnjsual heath issue. We know now it is related to channelopathy disorder. Covid put additional treatment and investigation on hold for me.
When she started her incident they blames it on CP and anxiety. Then again let me mention she lived and still dies in a very small town, while I reside near some of the best hospital and it still took me 10 years to have some answer, after having to proove it wasn't psychological.
Just have them bury you with your medical alert mobile help button. Or a cell phone.
@@rowynnecrowley1689 Don't have a medical alert button yet but it's an idea...they used to make those coffin bells in case of premature burials...
@@rowynnecrowley1689 LOL...
Technically your family can hold your body at home after you “die” until your family decides to bury you and it’s completely legal
My son has cerebral palsy, albeit much more mild than the young woman in this story. It is very common for doctors to brush everything off as part of cerebral palsy no matter what I say, so it's not surprising to me that the family was completely ignored. Sad situation
That must be so frustrating (to put it mildly) for you. I know two other people who've experienced that same "If you've got [insert name of disease or disorder here], it's impossible that you're now suffering from another, additional disease or disorder" attitude from doctors. One of these people is a woman who has schizophrenia, but is very high-functioning and intelligent and holds down a job, and she had always been very healthy physically. So it was alarming (to everyone but her doctor) when she began experiencing a variety of puzzling physical symptoms. These symptoms would come and go unpredictably and would sometimes be felt in one area, sometimes in another. You know, kind of like ... multiple sclerosis? But no, her doctor really seemed to believe that someone who's diagnosed with schizophrenia can't possibly develop some other disease. 🙄 It was a very long time before she was finally listened to and got the MS diagnosis.
It's kind of a cliche, but I believe it's actually true: most mothers have pretty good instincts about their children's health when something is wrong or has changed. I think doctors should at least hear a mother out.
This is tragically true of a lot of disabilities, not just CP. "Oh it's Autism's fault you're X." "Oh you're blind so you can't sense X." "Oh fibromyalgia doesn't exist."
No it can't be that. It has to be evetything is racist. Including the probably mostly black, or atleast large portion black medical personnel of Detroit. According to race baiters.
My twin has CP as well...
This scares me because my sister has cerebral palsy, and if people were too treat her like this my gosh I’d be throwing hands
"They were the only professionals here who knew what a living person looks like."
This one got me. I had to pause the video.
i want to like the comment, i really do, but i also dont want to fuck with the magic number
@@ukministerofclowns69 you can like it now
@@peggedyourdad9560 thanks for the notif
@@ukministerofclowns69 np 👍
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"ALIVE IN A FUNERAL HOME!!" Lmao I love how silly and self-aware this channel is. Also Caitlyn's pothead impression is spot on
"your buddy who will eat anything for a weed gummy and a bag of cheetos" was spot on
@@Ass_of_Amalek lol
This! I'm also living for the wooden effect laptop she's rocking 😁😁😁😁
That pothead impression was literally... So good. Perfect, even. *Chef's kiss*
@@Ass_of_Amalek as a pothead I can confirm 😆
I've spoken to Caitlin behind the scenes in the past - and I can only thank her again from the absolute bottom of my heart for once again elevating the stories of those of us who need most be heard.
I was almost killed last month by this blasé attitude toward disabled people and their needs. Except it was my (soon to be ex) husband who denied me care and invalidated my agency. I was left alone and unable to move for 7hrs after a fall caused a brain bleed and I had begged to be taken to the hospital. I was denied medical treatment and had no phone to call for myself, and I've since been told I was overruled because "it usually isn't that big of a deal." I am a literal disability activist who has been hiding her abuse for a decade. Man that is humiliating to say. But if it was me, it can really be ANYONE.
I'm finally at the start of escaping my abuser who has convinced me for over a decade I have no options because of my disability. Far, far, far too many people with disabilities, like myself, do not have families to care for them and are forced to stay in these abusive relationships because our benefit income is significantly less than minimum wage and we have no other options. We get told there is this program and that - but there really is not enough out there to keep us from such devastating poverty that (especially if youre extremely sick, like I am) staying in the abuse doesn't seem better somehow. My daughter almost didn't have her momma on her 8th birthday because we have created a situation in our society where I am forced to stay with an abuser because we don't give a flying crap about disabled people.
The paramedics stopped 6min before the hospital gave permission for them to cease on Timesha. She is a human. She is loved. That attitude about Timesha is why we as disabled people are being killed on the regular - we die at the hands of our caregivers at an even higher rate than we should be for our medical conditions. Doubly so for women of color and those of us who are LGBTQ+. And many of us are forced to live in subhuman standards because our nation, our culture, doesn't really care if I have to put up with a decade of abuse to keep a roof over my head.
Please remember that when you vote. November and always.
Disabled people are in just as much danger of ableism and medical malpractice as of harm directly resulting from illness or disability. I'm 2 years late here, but thank you for talking about this.
The terrifying thing isn't "hooo spooky they woke up!" but not being taken care of when in a critical condition and the risk of dying, like imagine not being conscious and being locked in what is essentially a fridge, or y'know, autopsy
I love your show and I have a true story to contribute. When I was in high school a girl I knew had a fascinating mother. She told us about her Great Grandmother and how she was buried alive about 1916 in Kentucky. She had died suddenly and as was the custom was prepared for burial but without embalming her. There was a viewing the night before and some boys noticed that she was wearing her wedding ring. After the burial and everyone went away, these boys came back to the cemetery and dug her up to retrieve the ring. When I opened the coffin they discovered that her finger was swollen and they couldn't get the ring off. So, they decided to cut her finger off instead. When they started cutting she woke up and the boys got scared and naturally took off without the ring. Her finger was fine with just a small cut. She got up from the coffin without having any fear about where she was, and walked home. Naturally, she didn't have her house key so she knocked on the door and her husband answered. Well, you can imagine what it looked like after that unexpected visit. Anyway, to conclude, she was alright after this experience and happily lived another 50 years before her final end came. I have been wanting to share this story for over 60 years and you made it possible. Thank you! John Dunkle class of 65.
OMG
Oh to have had today's tech in 1916. I would love to see that reaction video.
If I found a pulse on ... anyone... and the EMT ignored me, I’d be calling 911 with a criminal complaint.
A similar thing happened with a toddler. She woke up at her own funeral and then died hours later. This was a few days ago in Mexico. It is such a terrifying thing
I don’t trust any part of medical care overseas.
Morticians, saving lives one non-corpse at a time.
😂🤣
We need this on a t-shirt
Slowly but surely
Caitlyn: "The Kentucky Meat Shower, which is NOT a sex act"
The Internet: "It is now!"
Rule 34. No exceptions.
Unsurprisingly, it has an entry on Urban Dictionary.
"Would do anything for a bag of flamin hot cheetos and a cannabis gummy"
I've never felt so personally attacked
Thank you. I have a lot of fears about death and what happens to our bodies. You've been helping me come to terms.
Timesha's Aunt's facial expression is every nurse talking to a doctor.
Ugh same
OMG, yes! 🤣
Yep. I repeatedly remind my med student wife that nurses are the ones in charge, just so the ones she works with get a break from the docs who think they run the place. Fortunately, she loves nurses anyway.
@@SewardWriter My uncle, who is a doctor, once told me that without nurses and the medical secretaries to run things at hospitals and clinics, he and the other doctors would just be running around like clueless idiots. I don't even think he was exaggerating either 😄
@@Khenfu_Cake Doctor here, he was not. Rule number one of being a doctor, as I was told by a resident on my first day on rotation (still a med student): "do not piss off the nurses, listen to the nurses, be nice to the nurses, they're in charge of your patients for most of the day." If a nurse tells me that there's something wrong, I get over there and check, they're pretty much always right.
With the pandemic, there was an outbreak in one of the wards of my hospital. One of the patients, that had tested negative earlier, turned out to be positive and have Covid. He had 4 other infected patients, but the worst bit was that out of the 8 nurses in that ward 6 were positive, as well as 3 of the aids . Needless to say, the following morning was a mess, as there were 4 or 5 doctors there in the morning (between assistants, residents and interns), all equally clueless about how to go about their day.
And medical secretaries not only run the place, they pretty much rule it by virtue of ordering your pile of paperwork. Most of them are "no nonsense allowed" women that could probably take down the Board.
I appreciate how you didn’t just falter and say it was the paramedic’s mistake, but called out the underlying issues of discrimination in medical treatment. That’s what makes this channel so good, social justice and morbidity all in one place.
"This was not normal"
-Caitlin Doughty, on meat raining down from the skies.
Yeah, I thought so too :)
The meat from the sky thing reminds me of this quote from The X-files "Mulder frogs just fell from the sky"
I’m pretty sure it’s the orbiting alien cows.
“And breathing, which science tells us dead people do *not* do!”
I don’t know why that made me crack up so hard but it did. Poor young lady.
Hi Caitlin,
Excactly 1 year tomorrow my dad passed away. He lost his battle to cancer. YOU have helped answer many of my questions after my dad left this world. I have still continued to watch your videos since. Your videos have comforted me greatly. Thank you for being here on RUclips and making these videos!!!!
With all my love,
Kathy~
I offer you and your family my deepest condolences, Kathy. ❤️
I’m so sorry for your loss. ❤️
I’m sorry, but who hears “Kentucky Meat Shower” and *doesn’t* ask more about it?
What a cliffhanger.
I want more.
I don’t know. We got meat raffles in the midwest. You get drunk, enter a meat raffle for some squirrel and badger meat, then throw it all out the window onto the yard when you regain sobriety lol.
@@evanweaver1060 In Kentucky we don't throw it away. 😂🤣😂
"Kentucky Meat Shower" would be a killer metal band name.
@@jeremyboyle5695 for my all girl punk band I'm going to go with "Flesh-Eating Murder Kitties". Lol
"He put the meat in a jar with alcohol"
Oh cool. He's gonna take a sample to find out what it is
"And gave it to a railway worker to eat"
Wtf
Ditto this exactly. 😂
Yes! Exactly this. What's the matter with people?
You are hilarious!!! 😂
As a Kentucky resident, a transplant, I found both stories fascinating. That poor woman. The poor girl suffered traumatic injuries that no human should ever have to endure. Hope some heads roll. And the Kentucky Meat Shower? Outstanding. Have you read about the blue people in Kentucky? Not as interesting as a KMS, but still a good read. Thank you for your wit and kindness. And for well, putting fun back in funeral.
The gentleman who drove my elementary school-bus had a parachute fail to open during his service in the Korean War. At his funeral, lying in his casket, his eyes popped open and the festivities were interrupted by a surprisingly living guest of honor!
makes me think of the song Finnegan's Wake
you sure thats true? a military corpse being transported from korea to the us (or just from a hospital to a funeral most of the time) will be embalmed and i dont think thats very survivable.
I'll have to research it by his name (it may have been WWII-my father served in both, and told me about my bus driver), but for all I know, the funeral story actually happened (I was told this story well over 35 years ago, so the details may be a little blurry).
I can just imagine the chaos that followed!
@@omargoddess5877
I admire your classy way of questioning the validity rather than saying something rude or calling him a liar. 👍👍
"the morbidly curious are more psychologically resilient during the pandemic" I have never been called psychologically resilient, ever, in my life
Not sure how we should take that though. Does kinda have a good ring to it. Kinda liking it though 🤪🙄🤔🤗🤭
This video is the perfect thing to wake up to, no pun intended...
Absolutely
😂😂😂
Not even a little 🥺
Literally 😂🥳
😂😂😂same here!! I'm sorry but this is too much with the morning coffee! 😂😂😂
You are so adorable Kaitlyn. I love how you are so expressive with your eyes and tell such funny stories. I always learn interesting things too. Thanks so much!
Hi Caitlin. My mum-in-law passed away on Thursday and after watching your videos for the past few years it really helped me explain everything to my 12 year old son. He went in to see his ninnin shortly after she passed and said goodbye. With your help I gave him choices, described how different she looked and prepared him. He decided he wanted to pay his respects and he wasn't shocked because of our preparation. I learned from you to be honest and frank and to treat death as part of the cycle of life and it saved him from having any regrets about not saying his last goodbye to his beloved ninnin. Your content also helped me hugely in dealing with how I dealt with her illness and inevitable passing too. Together we chose what flowers she wanted, her favourite hymns, what kind of funeral she preferred and I even got to show her the cemetery she would be laid to rest in and she said, "Oh it's beautiful!" Thank you. x
Stories like this are why I, and many other disabled people, are so worried when we have to get emergency care
Me too.,ironically my job before my illness properly took hold of me was caring & being an advocate for learning disabled people.I now find myself in a position of having absolutely nobody & worsening health & at 53 I' m going to have to put ' something's in place .Certainly not going to pre-arrange a funeral as there's nobody there anyway.My family ,what tiny amount I.still have left completely bailed out on me the more ill I became..life is :' ironic' to say the least ;) Ever want anyone to talk to.,then say hello.😊xx
Me too.,ironically my job before my illness properly took hold of me was caring & being an advocate for learning disabled people.I now find myself in a position of having absolutely nobody & worsening health & at 53 I' m going to have to put ' something's in place .Certainly not going to pre-arrange a funeral as there's nobody there anyway.My family ,what tiny amount I.still have left completely bailed out on me the more ill I became..life is :' ironic' to say the least ;) Ever want anyone to talk to.,then say hello.😊xx
I'm a lawyer with disabled family members and I have to go with them to every single health appointment
worst part is I have chronic health issues. doctors who take me seriously when I speak for other people just don't give a fuck when I talk about my own self.
“Hoardes of gagging vultures.” Sounds like a black metal band.
To me more like death metal song, but let's agree that it's a really metal phrase
So does The Kentucky Meat Shower
Saw them at Ozzfest 1998
@@boldanabrasevic3020 No, Kentucky meat shower sounds like a "family porn" flick.
Are they on Spotify?
How are paramedics allowed to certify someone dead and go straight to a funeral home?
Is this a US only legal thing??
A doctor has to verify in UK
The ableism in this story is beyond horrifying.
and the racism, let’s get real
@@selaharmstrong384 The two intersect at a staggering and sad rate.
e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey
the paramedic's ableism and racism were both obscene. screw them.
Absolutely, and racism. Her life was worth nothing to them.
"Kentucky Meat Shower"
Holy shit Caitlin, if I knew that existed, I sure as hell would have asked--
Preach!
My dad used to work at a funeral home when I was a kid. They had 2 different people who came in over a 15 yr period that were actually still alive. The mortician did a mirror check because they were suspicious. One died shortly after being sent back to the hospital, the other survived and made a full recovery. Those stories have always scared me so bad!
What's a mirror check?
@@minacerra It's when you take a hand mirror and put it under someone's nose or over their mouth to see of it gets any condensation. If there's no condensation they're not breathing, it's really useful if the heartbeat is slow or soft enough that they did get mistaken for dead.
@@BunnyBug13 Brilliantly simple test.
I knew a person who worked at a hospital morgue many years ago who found a supposedly dead body to still be alive. She (the supposedly dead body) was an elderly woman who had suffered a stroke. She was rushed to ICU as her vital signs were very weak. Unfortunately, she died several hours later. She may have died regardless but...
The person who told me this also said that there was quite the cover up over it all. Apparently she was found to still be alive quite soon after arriving at the morgue, but what a terrible thing to happen! The person who told me this wasn't the type of person who told tall tales and they insisted that it wasn't a second hand story.
you need more segments of “everyone’s asking no one’s asking” loved it!!
I just found out that my stepmother is now terminal with cancer - and my grandmother died of cancer this past February. I don't know exactly why this is, but all of your videos have really demystified a lot of things for me around death and the death industry and I feel - I don't know. Less freaked out? Yes, I'm upset and sad and mad and all of those things grieving people are. But also empowered, because I feel confident I can help my family manage all of this. Fortunately everything is preplanned, but there's still stuff to do and decide. And I was able to manage the same for my grandmother when my grandfather and mother were just too wracked with grief to manage it themselves. Thank you. Not only is it entertaining to learn from you, but its incredibly valuable, and helpful.
I too discovered Caitlin when my mom had cancer. It helped a lot.
Caitlin: I will answer a question everyone's asking if you sit through a story of my choosing no one asked for.
Me: I see this as an absolute win.
Especially that she told the sky meat shower story!!! It's a gross one but so remarkable! I've already heard about it, but it's interesting every time - and _Caitlin_ telling it? 10/10 would watch again!
it sucks that the lawyer isn't accurate here, but it's likely a technique to get more press and outrage to the case for public support
Yeah, it’s shady and deceiving but I kind of understand his motives to get people paying attention to the issue. I’m not mad, he might just genuinely not know but I just don’t like the inaccurate portrayal of mortician capabilities. They’re not dumb, they know dead body when they see it
Yes, I thought exactly the same thing: it's better for their case than saying "Meh, they would've figured it out at the mortuary anyways!"
Geoffrey Fieger has always been a sensationalist attorney. Definitely an ambulance chaser.
Agreed. And because ableism and racism is involved here I’m okay with him being dramatic. Those EMTs need to be held accountable.
ATTENTION > Accuracy whenever Geoffrey Feiger is involved.
I am so glad this channel popped up in my "recommendations"! Caitlyn is a charming, interesting and engaging host!
Why do they keep talking about her eyes being open as a reference? Dead people have open eyes , we know that. Blinking though...no.
Who's they? Caitlin, a mortician, specifically states more than once that "Dead bodies don't blink".
@@cannibalisticrequiem The press, not Caitlin, obviously.
"The Kentucky Meat Shower, which is not a sex act"
This is the internet and that sounds like a challenge, I give it a few hours before you are proven wrong.
In Kentucky now and working on it!
Where is my saw?........
Well it has Kentucky in it, so probably not very creative
Ever hear the phrase "Puke a buzzard off a gutwagon".This
was where it came from.!!
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kentucky%20Meat%20Shower
@@danhaworth6967 I'll step up & 1st.!!II WAS WRONG !!
Everyone’s talking about the woman waking up in a funeral home and I’m stuck on the Kentucky meat shower
Me too. I won't lie... might have tried it. Cooked of course.
The hot dog photo was my favorite bit. 😆
@@stephaniecarter887 ha ha me too.
Mystery meat
That’s what my comment was about lol
Cloudy, with a chance of meatballs.
I still don't understand how anyone could mistake for an alive person for a dead one if you have any experience you absolutely know omg
it's the ableism and racism unfortunately.
My cousin had cerebral palsy, I found her "dying." When the paramedics arrived they stood around and just looked at her before taking her away while I was desperate for help.I don't think they really tried to save her. By the time she got to the hospital she had passed. Maybe if they tried actual life saving measures she would still be here.
Sad update: Tamesha ended up passing away. It was reported today 😢. Hopefully her family will get justice.
Is your definition of "justice" determined by the size of the award?
@@maxsdad538 Sorry - what award? I know I didn't write the original comment but Tamesha's family deserve the terrible medical personnel be punished and to be financially compensated for their (the family, obvs) suffering for sure.
@@JudyCZ don't feed the troll,they're just being a jerk.
@@maxsdad538 what the hell is wrong with YOU. You are a very sick person.
@@ladyredl3210 He is a very sick individual.
This is why paramedics shouldn't be pronouncing deaths. Doctors should be.
In the UK ONLY a Doctor, in person, can pronounce death. That applies even if the head is missing.
Paramedics don't pronounce death. Ever. You call a doctor over the phone, tell him or her what is going on, and the doctor gives orders to terminate resucitation efforts. And then you stop there.
@@solentbum The US used to be more like that, then exceptions like decapitation started rolling in and it's been downhill from there. And even if policies and regulations are in place, this was clearly a case of negligence like she mentioned, they stopped 6 minutes before they should have even before calling the doctor.
Or a coroner.
@Taylor Swiftie There are not nearly enough doctors in the US to go to every dead body. Paramedics have an extensive education and are trusted with operating independently in order to treat people and save lives. If they can be trusted to do that, they can do this. Mistakes happen in all aspects of medicine and it's terrible. But it is exceptionally rare and we learn from them.
"She would have noticed hordes of gagging vultures . . . " Would she? Would she? This IS a community that willingly tasted mystery meat that came from the sky after a dog got sick from it! Maybe they gagged elsewhere and the twister with the brothers took them all up and stopped short of her county but flung the meat further? The big question in the flying meat story is: was the dog ok?
Yeah, get that meat out of that alcohol bottle, I'll take a bite.
I was thinking it was a mafia hit. They chopped somebody up, put them on a plane and sprinkled them over Kentucky!
Yet another radio station manager who thought turkeys could fly.
It's so wacky to me that the lawyer would say "she would have been embalmed alive!!" when that is demonstrably not true. It sounds like she was never even close to that, someone at the funeral home took one look at her & could clearly see she was alive. I'm not mortician, but even I know if you're close enough to stick a needle in someone you're close enough to notice that *they still have a pulse*. You'd think a lawyer would know better than to publicly say something his opponent could disprove in five minutes.
Yes, but if it got to a jury trial, and that was said in court, even if stipheled and 'the Jury is to ignore that comment', it would still be lodged in their brain the possibility. Extremely effective.
@@lesliedeana5142 exactly!
It runs deep. Check out the whistle blower videos from early in the planned masquerade of mass murder.
@@pennydaytreasures8173 Sadly, it seems like more people are shocked by anything having to do with morticians than are shocked by black people getting mistreated. That's just 2020 for you I guess.
caitlin: now time to talk about something nobodys been asking
me: dang is it gonna be a boring topic or something
caitlin: the kentucky meat shower
me: YES YES YES YES YES
It’s Caitlin. You know it’s not going to be boring. The only real question is: in what way are you about to be surprised
Remember, this is the same woman who said, “My Sundays are boring. I just had brunch with friends”
Video of brunch: Brunch with Drag Queens. Show tunes & impersonations with eggs Benedict is an interesting brunch
And that's why it needs a DOCTOR to declare someone dead in Germany.
As paramedics, we cannot do so and have to try to revive someone until declared dead.
Rare exceptions are "trauma that contradicts the possibility of life"... e.g: Heads' off!
Ita required in the USA too. Acls protocol is followed for 30 minutes, then a doctor is radioed and given a report on the patient. What rhythms they were in, what meds were given, any shocks given. Then the doc calls time of death or says bring them in.
Technically a doctor did pronounce her dead, but it was based on a phonecall not an in person examination, which seems like a system in need of overhaul and I have no idea why doctors would be OK with that level of liability that they make a decision that they can be held responsible for based on taking someone else's word for it (someone else who isn't supposed to be qualified to make that call).
@@ElizabethJones-pv3sj then we may as well start transporting every cardiac arrest again. Everything (competant) medics do is what is done in the hoapital for cardiac arrest. A big reason protocols were changed so that its all stays on scene is because quality compressions are nearly impossible in the back of a moving truck. Not every department can afford the automatic thumper. Staying on scene really does give the patint the best chance. When the medics do what they are supposed to anyway.
@@ElizabethJones-pv3sj I recently went for my CPR Certification course and our instructor recalled performing CPR on a child for 20 minutes before his colleague (a fellow paramedic) took over.
How could these paramedics been allowed to stop over a phonecall from a doctor who wasn't there to verify?
Edit: I'm rewatching the video and they had an AED attached???
@@emb_ivy it's surprising given how upset doctors seem to be about losing any power e.g. here the AMA (basically the doctors union) frequently complains about nurse practitioners being allowed to treat things that used to be solely doctors domain. The overhaul is not necessarily the doctor seeing in person but clearly more accountability than take my word for it via phone needs to be implemented. Some sort of record should be there to back up the paramedics word. A digital record of the required checks should be kept and given the stuff an apple watch can tell your phone about your heart health departments could commission a way to send digital records via a similar app to the hospital. I'm not saying it's a solution ready to go but if governments care about the health of the people they are supposed to serve this would be an investment. Plus whoever develops it first could make their money back via licensing it to other health departments.
I’d love to hear more “no ones asking” series’s! 💕💕
Being buried alive is one of my fears, especially since I have low blood pressure. Bradycardia can be so low you think the person is dead. 😱😱😱😱 I also have cold limbs (low pressure does this). Thank you for pointing out the flaws of our society has over its treatment of black women, and especially those of us with disabilities. 😘🥰
I have low blood pressure (95/60) and it has dropped lower. Thanks for the positive outlook. I share the same fear as well. 😱😱😂😂
Make certain you are embalmed.
My bp runs at 93 if I don’t eat salt & thus my blood doesn’t move like a corvette. This has crossed my mind if I have a medical event.
This is something I am a little worried about as well, and I've been considering getting a medical ID bracelet. I have a form of dysautonomia that causes me to have low blood pressure. Sometimes my blood pressure crashes so low that it can't be detected by the blood pressure cuff. When my blood pressure get's so low I have a hard time thinking and I get really out of it. I also faint when I try to sit up or stand up. I'm concerned that when it happens again, I'll pass out and not be able to think clearly enough to communicate with whoever's around me. Hopefully, my heart beat is still pretty obvious. I'm not sure what happens to my heart beat when my blood pressure crashes, but normally it's a little on the high side.
My fear also. Have the same issue.
"I've been a nurse for 38 years..."
38 YEARS. The woman has been saving lives and caring for the sick for 38 YEARS and they couldn't even give her the professional courtesy of a second look?! Let alone just doing their job!
🤦♀️
Think this story is more about ableism and what may well be some sort of attempt at 'mercy killing'. Not sure of all the facts, but for 4 firefighters/EMS to go so far out of their way to not recessitate seems abit wonky. Also odd that a nurse of 38 years wouldn't be more proactive if she really thought they were bagging up a relative she knew may not be dead...so many weird things in this story.
@@fortusvictus8297 Thank you That is what I said! I have been in the medical field for over 25 years myself. Maybe the plot twist in this story is that the God mother may have done something and called the ambulance to make it seem more legit but things didn't go quite as she planned. Remember, care takers of the disabled are just as shady and do things like I just mentioned. Then try to flip the script and blame the EMTs. Seen it happen.
@@fortusvictus8297 completely agree with that last paragraph ...that part of the story is odd to say the least
Paramedics, are not as well trained as medical professionals like doctors and nurses.
They should at least give the family a second look. I'm going to get a mirror to check her breathing and demands the stethoscope to check her vitals.
You say a defibrillator can check for pulse? Awesome!
Caitlin: "No one's asking (about the Kentucky Meat Shower)"
Me: *I* was asking about the Kentucky Meat Shower...
I can not express how interesting I find your videos. I've always had an unhealthy sense of impending doom that's given me terrible depression and anxiety and I feel like these videos kinda help. Super weird but I just love all this knowledge and also your moral take on the rights of the dead. Things I had just never considered. Much love from Australia x Dan