Sony FX30 with FULL FRAME lenses? NO?
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Don't put full frame lenses on your aps-c camera? Why not? There are many benefits to putting full frame glass on the smaller sensor but there are some cons of doing this also.
Be very selective with what you do as you may save quite a lot of money by buying aps-c glass.
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The Tamron 17-70mm F2.8 APSC E-mount lens is a really good all rounder for the FX30 if you haven't previously invested in full frame or don't want to. Pair it with the 11mm 1.8 and it can compete with the FX3 in 90% of use cases. For those two lenses plus the FX30 it will cost less than the FX3 body only and at that point it's really just low light performance that sets them apart.
I can confirm. I have the Tamron 17-70 on my FX30. It's fantastic.
@@JeffCorcelius it is indeed, barely any focus breathing, super quite autofocus, in lens stabilization, sharp, fixed aperture - just make sure 'Distortion comp.' is set to auto under 'Lens Compensation', to fix the pin cushion distortion and you are good to go! Any vignetting can be fixed in post and is not always an issue
correct. Great option there
Definitely agree that’s my daily and works amazing for my FX 30!
Can I go with Sigma 18-50 f2.8 or tamaron 17-70 f2.8 apsc lens for FX 30
I bought the 20mm f 1.8 for my fx 30, i love it
Looking at the 35mm G-master for my Fx30, idk maybe it's just me but I feel there's just something about the GM series where that optical quality just punches one-step better than anything else I've seen.
I'm using a Canon FD 300mm f/4 and a Canon FD 200mm f/2.8 on Sony A6400 / Sony FX30. It is a great combination. These lenses were made for film Canon cameras.
I just traded my Sony A6400 and rx100vii in for the fx30. About to put the 24mmGM on that baby! Great video!!!
That combination is gonna go crazy! Nice upgrade!
@@iambrandonscales Thanks man! Gonna go kinda hard I think!!
great camera. you will love it
Hey Buddy! You are crushing it in one of the toughest categories on youtube!! Keep on keepin on!!
thanks my friend! you're here from the start which I love seeing
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema I love supporting good people.
8:04 your welcome
Should I Invest in APSC lens if I plan on getting the fx30 over the fx3 when I already have FF Lens such as 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 gms
Sony pz 18-105 should have been the kit lens for FX30 due to its power zoom and OSS.
I do agree but I actually went with the full frame version for the FX30. Just because of what I generally shoot and the fact that when I upgrade to a fx 3 or 6 I won't have to sell a lens. You can find new copies of both versions at the same price on eBay usually.
@@andrewa9700 You're talking about 18-110 and 28-135, both of which cost at least 4 times as 18-105.
agree. It is just an old lens that needs updating
It's an old and relatively cheap lens that does a very good job in normal light. I use it most often together with PZ 10-20 too.
In poorer lighting conditions, I use other lenses.
If you are using only apsc cameras, stick to the apsc lenses to save you some cash. If you are transitioning eventually, maybe buy the full frame.
that sound bit at the beginning is pretty dope
Hey Jason,
Thank you for the good and informative video! Could you also make a video about Full Frame and Super35 in the future? Nowadays the industry tells you that full frame is the better sensor and that super35 only has a "crop". The crop is perceived as bad, which I can't agree with... Almost no cinema films are shot with Full Frame and Full Frame comes from photography. If you look at the big cinema cameras, like Arri and RED, they also work with a Super35 sensor. Full Frame is a special look, which in most cases has in my opinion a much too large depth of field, but then everyone is saying it’s "cinematic". Of course, full frame cameras have advantages, such as low light performance, but as a filmmaker, do you want the full frame look in every video? I am using the Sony A7 iv at the moment, but almost always use Super35 mode for videos and Full Frame for stills.
Thanks for reading and best regards,
Manos Aronis
while i agree with super35 being a brilliant format RED and Arri are designing more Large Format sensors (Full Frame). It is becoming more popular that cinematographers are choosing the Arri Alexa Mini LF for their large scale feature film and commercial productions. Super35 certainly does not mean it is a disadvantage though, just a different look
Well said we shoot our film in Super 35. Much better look in my opinion. I know a lot of RUclipsrs who are hyping FF. FF is good for pictures and portraits.
Excellent video Jason ! And I'm not even a Sony shooter (I shoot Olympus OMD). Sending this to a Sony user friend who is asking me for advice. Cheers! 🤟😎
Nice! Pairing all of this with a speed booster, wouldn't it go back to its original focal with no vignetting? i never understood speed booster until i seen a couple videos today and im still confused 😅
I see this dude on IG all the time and his accent threw me off 😂 nice video man
Amazing shots. Simply stunning.
thank you
I need a little help. I put my fx30 in video mode and I can't leave the iso in automatic. what am I wrong?
question... This camera intrigues me. I have a lot of $$$$ in Canon EF lenses and love them . With and adapter will they work on this camera. My dads studio always used Sony(camera bodies) and Canon (lenses). Love the way you break stuff down. Thanks in advance. Peace and Happy Holidays
8:04 could you please clear image zoom here
At 4:19 I can still see the vignettes on the upper left and right. Great video tho👌🏽
Considering I've been shooting with cinema cameras for a long enough time that have Super 35 sensors I'd say there is no issue using a Full Frame lens on it. In fact my PL glass now is either made for Super 35 or VistaVision coverage. The Zooms I have are S35 and the Primes are VV. Either way, I still think in cinema terms with S35 because that's the standard. You wouldn't go to the biggest filmmakers and say to them "oh you shot this in S35? But that's not Full Frame." Someone like Spielberg who famously loves the 21mm on 3-Perf 35mm Motion Picture Film would only think of that 21 in terms of S35. They wouldn't be saying because it's a crop it is equivalent to this in Full Frame. Why? Because the standard of cinema has never been Full Frame 135 still photography size. That was more like VistaVision, which was more rare and primarily used for VFX over the last 50+ years. 70-years ago they did experiment with VistaVision for full features, but it was not cost effective.
Even going to IMAX 1570 film, you end up with essentially VistaVision 70mm Film in the form of 15-perf 70mm film. And, it's only used for select sequences. The closest we come to that in photography is Medium Format. So, to sum up it's time to stop this Full Frame argument BS with regards to video.
haha yes. I completely agree
There isn't anything wrong with using FF lenses. As long as you are aware of what you're getting.
You have to multiply the focal length AND THE APERTURE to understand what image you're going to get crapped.
Lens makers love that most of the time people only convert focal length. The DoF will not be the same on APS-C without conversion.
The other thing is the whole notion that a FF lens uses the sharpest part of the lens on APS-C has been debunked. Super sharp lenses can look about as good cropped, but almost always you will have a worse image than a native lens of similar quality. That's not saying it's always bad, as many times there isn't an APS-C version (or they are trash quality).
That being said. I'm popping the 16-35 f/4 PZ on my Fx30. Works for what I do on RUclips and I love having the aperture ring.
It is lens to lens basis on every single lens you use. Some lenses perform different due to manufacturing copies. I have done almost 50 lens review videos to see the difference
It really depends. If you have a high quality lens and you crop in you are going to magnify its manufacturing defects and flaws. You can observe this effect with tele converters (or doublers in ENG). On the other hand, poor quality lenses might have really bad edges that might look worse than cropping in. IMHO this was mostly an issue on cheap lenses up to maybe 2010s. Nowadays even the cheapest lenses from well known brands are pretty decent compared to what they used to sell us.
Just got mine fx30 now, will test it in field
Hello Jason, could you please recommend a lens for my fx 30 I don’t necessarily need full frame but more like a vlogging/filmmaking type video
After experiencing both do you think the a7iv is a better apsc camera considering it has a super 35 mode and performs better in low light.
For video the Sony FX30 is better overall but A7IV is no slouch and does brilliant
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Great info! Just a quick question, if you use a full frame lens on a APS-C sensor, don’t you loose some aperture of the lens?
Not in the way you're thinking. A 35mm f/2 lens designed for full frame would look exactly the same as a 35mm f/2 designed for APS-C, when used on the same camera. The focal length (35mm) and aperture (f/2) are physical, optical qualities that are consistent no matter what sensor size the lens was designed for. The only difference is how big of an image circle is projected out the back of the lens. The objects in the projected image, however, are the same size for two lenses of the same focal length, and the depth of field is therefore the same too.
The difference comes in the fact that to get the same shot on APS-C, you have to shoot wider or farther away from your subject, so to get the same shot your depth of field would be deeper. The amount of light is the same because the lens is projecting the same image with the same optical qualities no matter the sensor size, but your depth of field ends up being one f-stop deeper because you had to widen out or move back. So f/2 on an APS-C will look like f/2.8 on a full-frame after accounting for framing. Hopefully that makes sense. It's a fairly simple concept, but does take a while to wrap your head around it.
My fx30 and g master lens won't let me zoom I just opened it and am I doing something wrong?
Im sold on the Sony 24-105MM F4
Hi Jason! Sorry for my english but i’ll try to be clear as possible. If i put my F2.8 full frame lens on a apsc camera, the lens still remain an F2.8 lens or it’s quite darker than an F2.8 full frame lens put on full frame camera ?
Exposure remained the same, the depth of field and field of view are the only things that change. F2.8 will remain f2.8 in terms of light
Hey Jason. I just discovered your channel and love the content. Do you lose ibis with a full frame lens on the fx30?
hi bro I have problem with my Sony a7iv when I make the last update my son remove camera battery after there my camera not work only red small flash down behind delet button what I will make ?
Viltrox has a EF-E speedbooster. Am I missing something out or why isn't anyone mentioning putting a speedbooster on the FX30? The viltrox is like 100 euros, which is still better then 2x the price of the camera house for a fullframe.
because with the speed booster you need to use EF lenses. Clearly using Canon lenses on the sony is not as efficient and accurate with auto focus and object tracking. But if you use manual focus than amazing
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema Thank you mate!
Thanks Jason. So I’m still wondering if there is vignetting when filming on the fx30 with FE lenses?
Definitely not. The FE lenses have a larger image circle on a smaller sensor. It’s only the other way round. APS-C lenses on full frame
Mən FX 30 almalıyam.Full Frame olması üçün,yəni Klip və Toy çəkməkçün hansı lenslərdən istifadə edim?Əvvəlcədən təşəkkür🙏
How is the sigma 16, 30, 56 1.4mm for fx30? They are the only cheap apsc primes which are looking good. Should I buy them?
I have the Sigma 30mm 1.4 and its not good for video, autofocus is super loud the mic picks up the noise, plus no form of stabilization in lens. Amazing for photography, super sharp and great colours or if capturing audio is not a requirement. However the 50mm Sony 1.8 APSC is a super cheap option that's great for video
I have the Sigma 16mm 1.4 and have used this to film various videos with no issues with autofocus noise (its quite quiet), colors and sharpness are great. I also have the viltrox 13mm 1.4 and like this one as well. both of hefty and I dont think you will be disappointed with either.
@@tomseyes thanks
The main concern is shallow dof, an apsc prime with smaller aperture than 1.5 is required for fx30 to match 35mm and there are quite few, if u know what i should invest in it would be of great help
@@WillCaban yeah the 16mm is a better lens for video than the 30mm, it is newer and was marketed more towards videographers when it came out. But the 30mm really is unusable with autofocus and needing to capture audio its so loud
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Any additional benefit of adding a Sony lens with OSS to the IBIS ?
Yeah. It gives more stabilization.
little bit more steady overall
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hi jason, which one is better for wedding video when using fx30, 11mm or 24mm lens?
I ended up getting the sony a7 IV for 1900 all the fx30s are 300 to 500 overpriced on amazon, I do mostly video but had a hard time waiting, idk if I made a mistake or not it's my first real camera I do like the fact I can do awesome photos aswell but idk if I'll need 120fps. I heard I can upscale on topez if needed. But still a bit confused
the Sony A7IV is a brilliant camera for sure! Definitely no mistake there
where did you get it for $1900?
Could you provide some copyright free footages of Sony FX30? Please! I just want to do color grading.
Maybe try another channel. Thanks. I don't hand out footage I have captured sorry
ironically, all those are photo lenses. anyway, the face of cinema changed but it will be nice to see more dedicated video lenses
yes they technically are. Sony are designing them with now video in mind with their new XD linear focus motors to cater for video. Only reason I made this video as people asked this question
it would be better just to buy Sony a7IV
not really, no. Depends what the person needs it for
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema for paying 500$ more person gets full hybrid camera with better DR and ISO , viewfinder ! Downside is lack of 4k 120.
@@mex5341 In some countries especially in Europe you can get A74 even 200$ cheaper than fx30
I ended up getting the A7IV for alot cheaper than the FX30 so I'm happy..I like the idea of full frame but also to take beautiful photos and videos at events.
How cheaper?
Yea because the FX30 is $1800
@@GenerousKing305 Yeah but the Sony A74 is $2400
How does the APSC crop affect full frame lens f stops?
The amount of light is the same but to get similar bokeh, u need to multiply the fstop times 1.5 also.
If you put 24mm f/1.8 lens on an apsc camera and 35mm f/2.8 lens on a full frame camera, both give almost similar results(view & bokeh). Because 24mm×1.5=36mm and 1.8×1.5=2.7. I have tested this on my A7M3.
It's never changing any of the lens parameters. Like lens focal lenght, it stays the same. It's how camera sensor sees it, that's what changing.
08:05 I can't even hear the subtitles.
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3 minutes in where you say there's a difference between using FF glass or APS-C glass. There isn't a difference. A 50mm FF lens will look exactly the same as a 50mm APS-C lens on an APS-C sensor. Only difference is the size of the physical lens as you mentioned earlier. This is why I never do 'equivalent' focal lengths. A 50mm lens is always a 50mm lens. If I shoot on an s35 camera, I know my FOV for any given lens. Nobody is shooting on an Alexa 35 and calling a 50mm lens an 85mm 'equivalent'. This should have stopped a long, long time ago. If you're referring to an APS-C lens by what focal length is written on the side, but then saying you need to multiply a FF lens by 1.5x then your logic is flawed. They're both the exact same! Simple question - When you stick that 18-135 (APS-C) lens on your FX30, are you multiplying it by 1.5x? Have they put the wrong numbers on the side? No? Then why would you do it with a FF lens?
FOV and Bokeh of a 24mm f/1.8 lens (either Full Frame lens or APSC lens) on an APSC camera is similar as that of a 35mm f/2.8 (Full Frame lens) lens on a Full Frame camera.
A difference by saying it uses a slightly different part of the glass as I mentioned. The fact that Large Format (full frame) is becoming a norm people understand what a 50mm is like on LF sensors and don’t understand it’s like using a 75mm on their full frame camera. This should have been explained enough for everyone to understand. I am a filmmaker and I understand how crop factors work my friend
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema OK cool. I'm hearing it wrong maybe. I know you're educating. In my experience people get so confused with this stuff. I know working DPs who honestly think FF and APSc glass have different focal lengths!
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema Salam mən klip və ya toy çəkmək ücün hansı lenslərdən istifadə edim?Məsləhət verərdiz.🙏
I dont care, still buying full frame lenses jagoff
Wtf lol
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Audio level is a bit inconsitent in this video. There is big spike in audio volume at 3:03 and also smaller one on sponsor part of the video at 5:00.
oh well. thanks for pointing it out