Apple Vs Android | Which Is More Secure?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- So, this discussion could last forever. What’s better, ‘open-back’ Android or 'plug-n-play' IOS? 🍏🤖
We're spending so much time on our smartphones nowadays, messaging, making purchases, looking for local barbershops and so on. All that makes the security of our our phones paramount when it comes to privacy.
And that's how we chose to define “better” in this video. In other words, who's more secure and what are the known vulnerabilities?
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:09 - App Control
05:06 - Permissions And Tracking
09:13 - Updates
11:39 - Conclusion
Useful Links:
03:40 - Study released by the NortonLifeLock Research Group
arxiv.org/pdf/2010.10088.pdf
07:14 - Mobile Handset Privacy: Measuring The Data iOS
and Android Send to Apple And Google by Prof. Douglas J. Leith
www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/ap...
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I will check all the data collected by Pegasus and I will tell all of you, which system is the best.
pega*sus* 😳
Who Is He?
Pegasus is software made by Israeli company. It is used by world governments to hack into any iphone easily. Especially dictators and arabs.
YOU KIDDING... right.
Peggy's sis or sisters as the one who will take
they can hack in everything
Basically, you're saying that the best firewall is living in the woods.
PINEphone? 😂
Yes we must return to monkey
In the woods in a Faraday cage in a bunker underground
the best firewall is setting your phone on fire
@@whodis5774 nice one 🤣🤣🤣
I give them all of my information and they don't even send me a Christmas card.
Lol
Great video! In summary: Apple has better security out of the box, and Android has more possibilities for you to make it safe.
And then there's 'Air Tag', where nobody can opt out of and contact tracing is just normalised, among other things that follow along with the Air Tag.
also the problem with android is that you can also make it a lot more unsafe.
but that's the cost of freedom of choice like sideloading admin aceess etc etc.
NO
@@Sool101 yesss that's a whole extra topic I forgot about in my other comment lol. Apple has a lot of people fooled for sure...while in reality, they're the absolute *worst*
@user yes but the point is this: on line tracking brought to real life and there is nothing you can do about it. So literally everybody who has been near that air tag is automatically associated with, you. And that's not something you can block or avoid. You see, there are some very serious privacy issues at stake with that approach.
13:18 "And remember, there's always one way that you can be totally sure in your online safety." *Powers off iPhone*
The NSA: You underestimate my power.
lmao thats exactly what I was thinking about. God bless Ed Snowden :D
@Ari GSD I saw your rant, I didn’t see your source. I can disable Bluetooth on my iPhone. How do you know is still working?
@@danmano478 Bluetooth scanning all the time in iPhone same like Wi-Fi they're my Wi-Fi it's getting on the side
@@danmano478 Nah, iOS doesn't let you fully control your stuff as much as Android.. It tricks you into thinking you can. I switched to an iphone and i regret it because the hardware fails.
@@manowar2816 From privacy point of view, both are bad. From security pov, I prefer IPhone. For the scanning you said, I want proof. Find My iPhone can be disabled, and even if it is like you say, if I really want my iPhone silenced I put it in a aluminum foil, and no signal. I checked: completely dead.
Would also like to point out that switching off your phone doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% off either. They've proved that certain sensors (like the gyroscope) still keep data and send it to servers when the phone is switched back on.
horrifying 💩
They don’t need to do some elaborate testing to prove it, when I turn off my iPhone I almost always see “Find my turned off iPhone is on”. That speaks for itself.
Find me data is sent even when the phone is off on new iphones
There's also a malware for iOS that pretends that your phone is being shut down but in reality everything still works
@@HollowKZ but that’s a security feature, and anyway, it’s been known for a long time that phones do not die when the battery is flat because that would hurt the battery itself, so i wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing.
IOS: Your security is mostly upto apple
Android: You’re security is mostly up to you
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Android: You own the phone. U can use it like u wish.
iOS: U own the phone. But u all are dumb fcks. So we decide how your phone looks and how u use it.
Finding your channel is just gold. Keep up with the great content.
it's not *his* channel, it's sumsub's channel, a company.
Most underrated tech YT
Great contents
Superb deliver
Good audio
And lovely backgrounds
In the beginning you said you will compare Google Stock Android to IOS, then you complain about "lot's of manufacturers (apart from Google Pixel) are not publishing security updates - point for Apple.". This completely contradicts your first statement.
If you take that in mind android with no doubt wins !
Point noted, thank you!
Nice Video Brat ! I am glad I have been following your videos and your videos are very high quality. Keep up !
the alliteration at end of every episode is one of my favorite parts. THe rest of the video is great and all but Im just a sucker for some good alliteration.
You actually make very important topical and dare I say prophetic content, it's unfathomable that your videos aren't in the 500k-1m range on average. I really think more people should be watching content like this, as opposed to family vlogs and drama..
It's actually a cybersecurity company behind these vids
@@keepyoursins that makes a lot of sense
It's incredibly sad what captures the attention of teenagers this day in age. The young audience is who needs this most
I have one problem with this video and that is the updates part. At the start you have said that you will only talk about pixels but then you disregarded that and started talking about all android phones
Make a quick comparison yourself about longevity - Google drops pixel 3 support after 3 years while the iphone 6s is up and running after 6years
@@zalibassga that not the most up to date information. Pixel 6 will get 5 years of updates.
You also can flash custom roms after your phone doesn't get updates officially which can increase the lifetime dramatically.
@@zekiz774 used custom roms myself but most people won't do that. Still great that they apparently plan on supporting for longer
@@zalibassga they planned to do that for years. They even force OEMs to support every new device for at least 3 years. Before you would be lucky to even get 2.
They also developed GSIs which are basically ROMs that aren't specific to any device so they can ship updates faster and easier. Every device with Google play services that launched with Android 9+ needs to support that.
Bricking devices while updating also aren't possible anymore because newer devices need to have A/B partitioning which can update the device while it's running.
@@zalibassga "Now in this video i will compare googles implementation of this OS as it is on the for example google pixel phones" I'm not talking about anything other than consistency. I never even mentioned the support
in Los Angeles, Apple just has billboards that just say "Privacy. That's iPhone" with a small Apple under it
Source. Otherwise just a rant. We’re not convinced.
I use GrapheneOS because Snowden uses it and says it's the most secure mobile OS out there. I also like the Android theme better than iOS, and the fact that Android is open source and fully customizable.
Stop if that guy everything Saying is not truth.
@@manowar2816 American Propaganda = Lies. 🇺🇲💣🌏
With GrapheneOs can you do banking? It is possible to install known (in android/iOS) banking apps? Also, delivery apps like Uber Eats or Glovo? Or, by doing so you loose the privacy and purpose of this OS?
@@danmano478 you can
Those will get sandboxed
@@alexlexo59 You will need a phone number => IMEI will be recorded.
Apple is the same thing on every phone whereas Android has a larger spectrum of privacy both far worse & far better than Apple. It all depends on your choice of product, software settings, & how far you're willing to go to make a secure & private Android operating system.
Apple is really private when protecting your data from third party companies, however Apple will know everything about you. This is actually still a pretty good thing as 50 companies having a fair bit of data about you is likely much worse than just 1 primary company having all the data on you. Yes this is a single point of failure however it is only a much smaller risk surface which is eaiser to manage.
Personally I would go Android, Samsung phones in the stock mode share the least information to third parties, so if you like not changing anything so Samsung. Google Pixels have unlocked boot loaders allowing for a more secure implementation of custom ROMs making them a great choice for those willing to get the MAXIMUM security possible.
I hate the aspect ratio of pixel phones & really love Samsungs slim & tall phones, their much sexier so I actually sacrifice security for ascetic, Google Pixels are chunky oversized phones, if I ever got an iPhone it would be the iPhone Mini, smaller phones rule! Samsung phones have the potential to be the BEST phones for custom ROMs on the market, if only Samsung unlocked the boot loader & stopped trying to shut people out from using custom ROMs. Sad that Samsung doesn't allow this, hopefully they change their position one day.
Unlocking the bootloader on samsung phones is a 5 minutes task, the only real problem is that you lose secure folder, their neat encrypted parallel os based on knox. Always gone for custom roms but i'm avoiding it on my note20 beacouse secure folder always comes handy.
@@nicodash2213 Oh I've heard that Samsung locks down their phones & you lose security features like Secure Boot for windows but the android equivalent. What is the reason that all the custom rom developers chose Pixel phones over Samsung when Samsung greatly out sells Google phones?
@@Zaptosis Sincerely i don't know exactly why developers prefer pixels, but i think samsung using 2 diffrent processors for diffrent regions is a big part of that. Btw you don't lose any android stock security features, you lose samsung's proprietary ones bundled in their os and hardware(knox and all services related to it like samsung pay, samsung pass or secure folder). There's no way to bring it back once you flash a custom rom since a pysical transistor allegedly blows up. For me it makes sense, you mod your phone at your own risk, and since samsung can't guarantee the effectiveness of knox when you flash something it stops working. But other than that you don't lose anything. It's a trade, but you can make your decision based on your priorities, no hard locks.
@@nicodash2213 new Samsung phones (s21 series, a52, fold 3 etc) allow you to unlock the bootloader but they disable all cameras
@@vlada909 i think they dont do that anymore, after the media backlash
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I've been watching your video's for a while now and you deserve much more subscribers. They are well thought out and give a cozy vibe. Keep going!
Edit: imma keep my iPhone XR for now. First phone I've used over 2 years which never happened while I was on Android.
Best methods & ideas ?
1. Phones with removable batteries. If with non removable batteries, power it off & wrap in Faraday cage type of wrapping or into a bag/container.
2. Encrypt messages sent out to / in from your recipients.
3. Use your phone only when needed, not in a periodic fashion. Use burner phones whenever possible.
your video are always well made and that voice make things even better
It is much deeper than this. The 5g modem itself is capable of running it’s own code. The ARM running android or ios not necessarily knowing what it is doing. In the end a visualization of a OS such as ios is always selectively showing you what the creator wanted you to see. To give you a “better user experience”.
i'd imagine the lions share of 'unwanted apps' were preinstalled and unremovable. like all the samsung versions of google apps, they constantly re-enable themselves and auto update.
Another great video like always, I'm always so impressed 🙌 🙌
Tbh this video feels half heartly made to me. There is so many more things to say about these topics. Also you introduce scores, but didn't ever really get back to them.
Open Source systems are much more secure because of obvious reasons. In Android we have alternate OS that lock down the linux kernel in hardened mode. Lot of other reasons why Android is more secure in an overall sense. I remember when Zdium had a surplus of IOS 0days upto a point they stopped taking submissions. However, ios updates ship faster than Android..
Faster than mainstream android not some custom androids that updates weekly.
How about Linux phones? I'd be really interested to throw a Librem 5, Pinephone, or now Pinephone Pro in; they allow you to put a full Linux distribution on, one which, I may add, you could compile from scratch, with, or without whatever features you'd prefer, and I believe all of them have some sort of hardware switch to turn off a variety of telemetry.
Add on to that, they can run desktop Linux applications (or Windows ones through Wine as well) via an x86 emulation layer (box64 and box86 being the primary ones ATM) leaving you a fun, usable device with whatever bounty or lack of privacy features you may choose.
@Ari GSD As an enthusiast in the area I recommend holding off for about one year to a year and a half. I currently have a Pinephone Pro (explorer's edition, so not the public release yet) and it's great, and super usable for me...But not for the average person. The software should be very usable in 6-12 months for the average person, if you're willing to put up with a few perks.
@Ari GSD And how do you do your banking?
I really do love having a face to guide through the online jungle. It personalizes the whole experience!
I think we all knew what the answer was but clicked on it anyways
i would give the app permission point to Apple too, because they have such an interesting way of handling things and telling the user which app used which thing recently (location, audio, camera, even the copy paste feature) which Google took inspiration from to serve in their recent Android versions, so there is that
I think you missed a very important reason for the updates.
Apple earns the most from the appstore which incentives them to have their iPhone work for longer to earn more.
Google also earns a lot from the playstore, however phone manufacturers do not, so they aren't as incentivised to keep supporting their phones.
SSL Pinning is something which is done by most Android apps. I haven't encountered a single iOS app that has this. Not sure if iOS has this feature.
If an app has SSL Pinning enabled, it won't send any requests if you are connected to a MITM proxy or any similar proxies.
Things like this is not talked about by most people but these things are equally important when it comes to security.
My Guess: Independent Android OSs like Lineage are better, also Sideloading is important for really secure apps like from the F-Droid Store
Your security is entirely up to the user! Apple users complain about security on Android OS but some of these Apple users be dancing on TikTok 🤣🤣
Thats why for andriod I switched to Pixel. The one who made android should be the one provides the device to use it and provide update as well. Just like Apple.
If only powering off a mobile device actually prevented data leaks, lol.
And broooo, there's *countless* stories of iPhones getting completely bricked by iOS updates so scratch that too. Just happened on my dad's phone recently to iOS 15. After some research, his is not nearly the only case. Pretty sure they even do this *on purpose* to force you to upgrade to newer hardware. There's been proven research into that as well.
Yeah that’s just not true lmao.
If the iPhone got bricked then it’s probably stolen and your dad got it used without you knowing.
@@zacwoods not stolen and he's rich lol so doubt that
@@jpierce2l33t rich people are the biggest thieves alive.
@@jpierce2l33t he could’ve bought it used and didn’t know it was stolen. I’m not saying he took it.
can a digitally stored fingerprint be used after few years??!
Personally i prefer android due to it's customization, it being open source and it's modding capabilities if you take specific features into consideration
The Canadian government couldn't force-install their Covid tracking app onto my Blackberry Passport running BlackBerry 10 operating system. Several friends were so impressed that they went out and bought old Blackberry's for this very reason.
Fantastic
Updates.... The reason I haven't used anything other than Nexus and Pixel devices for the last decade!
Honestly it’s not security that’s my number one priority. It’s privacy. Would be nice with a video about that subject.
They go hand in hand. Strong security = strong privacy.
@@user-yq9xu5mq6v Thing is, if there's 100% security (like ios users seem to think, and hey while not completely true they ARE very secure) but NO privacy (apple knows everything about you)... Nah. I'll take android, where I can flash away google's tentacles from my phone and flash only open source apps.
Its not food I like eating but blueberries.
What about the new Tesla mobile? Will that have its own secure OS?
Always good content 👍
Very, very nice and useful content and presentation 😉🙂🌞😇
Please can you link the research that suggests apple apps can track 20 data points without permission?
I wish for Linux phones to become good eventually, maybe then we'll enjoy true privacy.
Also, for being able to remove batteries again like wtf, they don't even let us do that anymore
Most phones do not allow batteries to be removed, but a few still do.
Some Motorola phones have removable batteries (although I am not sure if the latest ones do), and Fairphone certainly allows you to remove the battery.
Ello Bradley. Do you do any tutoring? Hour long session perhaps. Ive got a half dozen bricked laptops, 7 email address and well too much of all the things. I need help alas the Apple Genius bar is not really tech smart friends at a bar. But what if it was?
33.3 Dogecoin an hour. Payment in cash only.
0: 55 Last time I checked I had an average of ca 1 hour a week on my phone
wish my previous phones as fast as clicked this video
LOL
Samsung has NOX security added to their phones which gives it a military grade pentagon security to the phone as well.
Lmao the Papers please music got me 😂😂😂
11:11 2:00 idk fam, seems like you're going back on your own established premise there.
спасибо за глубокий анализ
Can you please make a video explaining how GrapheneOS is better considering privacy and security...
Sounds good! We'll think about it.
@@Sumsubcom Hey Sumsub, I would like to add a point that I have just recently joined your channel and I am really impressed by the content that you make❤️ I too feel that privacy is one of the most necessary human right but these big companies exploit this right by keeping on spying on us.
Love your content ✨
Nice job. I always wanted to shift to graphene os but i just a lazy guy.
You can do it!
What good is it if you can’t do banking with it? Just for messaging, e-mail, browsing and RUclips? This I can do on a laptop or tablet(Linux), as for calling I can use a normal phone not smartphone!
I see Bradley (or Lucas), I smash the like button
Good plan son
This is an outdated view of android security updates. Android security updates and other aspects are dealt with on a modular basis and security is pushed through play services and individual app updates etc. Security is no longer dependent on an OEM pushing firmware
very nice , thanks lot
Android used to be good. But after google apps took over the open source native apps, there was no difference b/w it and iPhone so I might as well choose the one which has it's reputation on the line by standing for privacy.
To save you time, you can make android more secure than iOS. Out of the box Android is less secure.
12:29 What's an example of an android build that has extreme security, and what makes it so?
Custom roms in general can be made very secure, through only allowing trusted software on the device and cutting out all privacy-disrespecting software from Google and the manufacturor.
One really important fact you are both missing, Graphene OS (not sure about the others because I haven’t personally used them), doesn’t just disable Google play services, it makes sure you can’t install them in the first place. A significant portion of apps will be unavailable to you because of this. Namely things like RUclips and any apps that use Google maps. One really nice thing about using these though, is that the battery life is AMAZING!
@@christianbingman7746 there are alternative app stores for that. some of them have all the apps available in the play store.
if it needs to be the google play store it also can be flashed on the device, but then you lose your privacy advantage.
@@pleasurereport cool, but in personal experience, without Google play services (which you CANNOT install on graphene os) you will not be able to run the majority of apps that people use these days. You will be stuck with buggy lower quality software in the FOSS categories and insecure apps that are not FOSS
@@christianbingman7746 microg project fixes that
You are not immune to malware on ios. Your less likeky to get it but you are far from immune.
The huge prevelance and usage of iphones guarantees that there will be malware made specifically for it.
How about using 2g phones?
This guy is seriously underrated
You forgot to mention that 99% android apps have analytics API's from Google/Facebook. I don't think they allow that on iOS.
you can install open source blockers on android to not send any tracking data to no one, IOS no, I work on a marketing company, half of the money comes from IOS tracking... Is just that IOS have marketing on "privacy" and "environment friendly" but is as good as the other one
@@cau8777 What about the general public that don't know anything about this?
@@sparrowcideI would say to not trust your phone provider too much they all lost our trust long time ago, give them less info as possible and don't install random stuff
@@cau8777 “most data come from this OS so i must assume the data is correct”
well how about which app is it, maybe it’s something relevant to the OS, and maybe just like statistics provide, some OS users pay more for things than with another OS, or that app is just popular with one group. there are so many variables that as a marketing analyst, you deliberately didn’t mention in your comment.
@@at_oussama "most data come from this OS so i must assume the data is correct”
Where did you got this phrase from ?
I said that most of the money comes from iOS data, but yes this means that the data is correct ( since we verify multiple times in different ways and the advertisers don't pay for fake data ), and I get it, but we work mostly with apps like Twitter, Games and so on... OS apps don't spend money with ads / marketing
And the 'half comes from iOS' refers not to one app but to the average ( of course )
PS.: iOS is good and I like it, they at least read the APP code before allowing on Apple Store and that's the only security advantage but it is THE reason why I prefer iOS security
There's no way sideloading apps is a problems, the advantages vastly outway the risks.
Half of my apps might be sideloaded, even more if you count the fact that you can backup apps and app data on a rooted android phone, to restore it later. Thus you can sideload apps that are on the play store
Do you trust sideloading bank apps for banking?
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love the content you make \o/
Shutting down your phone is 100% working method to block tracking. But I wouldn't trust that power off button. How you can know it's off? If phone's software is closed source and you don't have access to it's hardware it's impossible
sideloading apps is the only reason I use Android, I can get any open source nor....modded apps on IOS
Your whole point on side loading apps is pretty nil, based on the fact that you have to explicitly enable and allow that. And it's actually more of a freedom IMO. Apple notoriously wants to control and own your whole experience. Nobody owns an iPhone...they lease it and in turn allow Apple to tell you what you can and can't do with your (supposedly) own device. Google isn't a whole lot better these days unfortunately...but they're still better than Apple.
Something dogmatic supporting my team.
Make sure you like this video and subscribe! This guy needs all the support he can get as he can't even afford socks. Poor fella...
Good One
For a while there I was constantly getting hacked. I went through 8 phones in total in about as many apps only to find out that I wasn't actually hacked. I had developed schizophrenia 😅
Both have security vulnerabilities period from what ive read on the internet
Let's gooooo finally 🤣🤣
Someone needs to make a digital play ground to teach children about the web and it’s capabilities using simple pen testing tools in a safe shell
-concerned parent
My biggest concern is the big boys still claiming officially that the mic has never been used as an input for add algorithms. While it’s obviously one big lie.
Which is better for you guys? #ios or #android?
every time you upload a video, I have the urge to run a system virus scan
Are you really safe when you turn of the phone?
It does not matter whether it's an Android Smartphone or and iPhone - they are still just SPY appliances....
These phones are specifically designed to allow the operating system unfettered access to every piece of data the users add to the phones - no exceptions for any store bought phone on the market....
the "sideloading is a security risk" has been disproven, its much harder to sideload malware than to install it from the Play Store or App Store
source?
Seriously? Because if I were to do it on Android then I ain't paying the Play Store fee just for the sake of it LOL
I'm sticking with my 90's Nokia, it's safe and it has SNAKE!
Security: we can trust these machines, but not these people
0:08 Is this a Mordhau battlecry? :D
yes)
5:30 iphone users feel safer and therefore take more risks. Android users know that it is a dangerous world out there, so they take more precautions with everything. Android users require more individualistic restraint when installing apps, while iphone users rely entirely on apple to protect them.
Burner phone is my device of choice.
How do you check your bank account? How do you buy something online?
Are customs roms any good?
Depends.
GrapheneOS
No banking.
I don't think you can lump all Android phones together. It is very important to consider the manufacturer, because many of them add security features on top of the OS an run updates very frequently, in fact as soon as they are made available to Google. You use an iPhone, don't you?
Android is veeeeeeeryyyyyyy bad
We can install a malware easily
4:03.... you didn't read the entire thing
The last Szene of the video is not correct because iPhones don't completely shut down some services such as Bluetooth are still active
Antivirus usefull on andriod or just another app stealing data?
Is it still a thing on Android?
@@spacian my pc Anti-virus got a andriod app so I dunno. Never used it tbh because I think it's bs
@@spacian An iOS user just informed me that there are antiviruses for iOS too now. I guess they're necessary after all.
Love social engineering and osint
Cool
What's this guy's name? I can watch him all day.
Well shit time to install Graphene OS
hmm
How about back to using old fashioned phones...minimal computer use...read books, talk to people
honestly i would love to do that but everything nowadays demands phone or computer usage, cant work, study, do anything practically without an electronic device... only if humans werent so dependent on electronics smh