The Best Electric SUV For the Money | The NEW Audi e-tron VS Tesla
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Had a great time collaborating with Kim on this video! Can’t wait to see people’s thoughts on Tesla vs audi e-tron
Great video Kim/Faiz!! I'm on the fence, but this really helped
@@shake741 thank you!!
226 miles for a sub $100K EV? 80% charging with less than 200miles capacity plus the utilization of those unreliable CCS…. I Dont know, doesnt seem worth it for a massage chair comfort.
@@hanselsanjuan8003 I agree... Tesla is just better.
I already ordered my Q8 Sportback. Can't wait 😂
212 mileage range for $98k!!!
Hahaha absurd numbers
As someone who worked in the German Automotive industry and had German cars all my life, I think that the Germans lost their innovative touch. There is nothing an etron does significantly better (or a BMW iX or the EQS or EQE etc) that would make me personally buy them. They're not bad by any means but they just luck in cool features that Elon and Tesla have thought about. The way these German cars still have all this stuff under the hood tells you everything there is to know. They do focus on making ICE cars and the electric version is just an alternative plan B version of the car so they have frunks that resemble much more an engine compartment than anything else. Or on this Audi here again, the interior is the same it's been for about 5 years now in any ICE Audi. Having to push a button to open the chargeport. No electric doors or if they add electric doors like in the new 7 Series you have to push and hold a button to close the door - how annoying is that?!
Spot on comment! Had this very same Etron S Sportback for one year and didn’t feel any innovation, it was like driving a standard car… Each time I drive my actual Model 3 Long Range, I feel I’m driving a car from the future
Agreed
This is also the first German electric car. From 2018. It was ment to be an ICE. Audi/Porsche's PPE platform will be first proper luxury EV platform. Q4, which is often shown in this video for some reason, is based on very successful, but not briliant, MEB platform.
Germans were never great in innovation, but they were always briliant in execution. I don't mind driving 5 years old technology without worrying about basic things.
yet the Porsche Taycan is awesome and has all the features a Porsche driver would want
@WIZE think about that for a moment. An EV that drives like a standard ICE actually takes some engineering. For the same reason I loved my P85+ Model S, I would never let my teenage son or my elderly parents drive it. I wouldn't give it a second thought on the etron S.
I genuinely like how Kim Java speaks the truth of other non-Tesla EVs. My cousin has the e-tron and it’s fantastic. All the little luxuries in the car provides for a really nice experience and both Kim and Faiz covered that very well
I love my E-tron, one correction from the video however, the Etron no longer qualifies for the EV tax credit
And the Tesla qualifies for the 7,500 credit. Which basically flips the price
@4:53 the price is about to shift in the opposite direction, as Audi no longer qualifies for the $7500 but now Tesla Model Y does
The sound of the tires on the road is more than enough decibels to let someone know you're coming.
The most important aspect of an electric vehicle is range , auto pilot and super charging network , and Tesla has achieved these.
YES!
In my opinion reliability is the most important in all vehicles. Almost all new EV’s sold in the US have a range in excess of 200 miles. So they meet everyone’s needs almost all the time. The vast majority of charging is done at home, so having a proprietary network is not necessary. My wife and I own a model 3 and a Mach E. The Mach E is now our preferred vehicle.
@@irfanhusein1445 agree! except only on few occasions ie. if we have a power outage...or sometimes do that few road trips...but in general range is so hype up...most people don't drive 2hr commutes to work like me
@@phat_gunpla_etc actually my wife has a 110 mile commute. And in Southern California this would take 3 hours, however EV’s can use the HOV lane so saves about an hour
@@irfanhusein1445 i carpool too also which takes me 1hr each way to work and home...i love my EV and will never go back to ICE cars..jus wished my coworkers and gas owners just don't have the hate comments i hear all the time
Pretty sure the 370 mile q8 e tron achieves that range only with the wltp range testing, or the European system. Wltp involves more city driving and less highway driving, often resulting in better range results. The epa range for the q8 e tron is not confirmed, but is expected to be far less than the wltp.
370 wltp should be roughly 300 miles epa, which is still a big range bump for the e tron
Downhill maybe
EV reviews should include cold weather range. Does the e-Tron use a heat pump?
Yes, heat pump is standard. As is air suspension.
@@voksic13 gotta give them credit for using air suspension
Yikes, $98k for 170 miles of range… resale value on that will match Nissan leaf depreciation levels.
Dude seems like a nice guy tho, wish him well in his toy collection!
lol, resell value on these have been crazy actually.
Love the etron, such a beautiful machine. FYI: a lot of your clips showed a Q4 etron which is a very different car
8:40 You sure picked a beautiful day to show the e-tron in the best light possible. Stunning mackerel sky!
It is clear what's the luxury vehicle and what's not. The e-tron wins to me. When it comes to range and charging network, it loses however what it offers is still more than acceptable for the average commuter. By the way, there's already a new version that has more range and power.
But it’s still a $90k car with no rebate. The tesla offers a $7500. I payed $58k for the performance(-$7500 rebate) I’m looking at around $50K? No brainer for me.
Etron shockingly does not have over the air software update. For that reason, no way I will consider. Too many visits to horrible service center for updates a nightmare.
I bought an Audi e-torn Chronos end of 2022, model 2023 to replace my Model Y. I love everything about it, has a range closer to 240. I keep seeing it stated that it is eligible for the federal $7,500 tax credit. This was not true for me, as the car is not assembled in the US. This is new for 2023 for EV’s.
That sound thing sounds cool. I like the electric drive sound my tesla makes. I think it would be cool to amplify that slightly at low speeds as the pedestrian warning…
I like everything about the etron except for the infotainment (it’s so ancient), the range, and CCS Network.
Audi etron has a beautiful interior and nothing else. After 2 years I’m so happy I chose the Model Y over the etron. And there’s Dog Mode!
Dog mode?
Once he said 210 range, I closed the video lol. E-tron looks GREAT has a lot of features I love but the range makes it DOA for that price.
Reasonable price point? Great video. I really like the Audi but didn't see it mentioned if there were games to play while it charges?
He never mentions it, but there is one big advantage the Audi has over Tesla. While the range is not great, and other comments clearly hone in on this, there's no mention of the charging speed advantage. Tesla has way better range, but Audi has way fast charging speed. rsymons tested a long distance drive compared to multiple other EVs and the Audi doesn't compare badly provided there are enough stops to bridge the gaps.
It's also worth mentioning that Audi gets closer to their rated range at 70 mph than Tesla, so the comparisons in this video aren't apples to apples.
I have two Model Xs and wouldn't trade them for the Audi, but I still want to give it a fair shake.
Exactly! Tesla are known to over-promise on range and Audi are known to under-promise. Audi drivers get more than what's advertised and Tesla drivers get way less than what's advertised.
I'm an e-tron owner and thank you, I agree with your comments. The Tesla Bjorn data shows that the E-tron is still one of the fastest charging larger e-SUVs on the market and - despite being 4 years old now - is very competitive for charging and road tripping. For long drives, MX, iX and E-tron are all within a few minutes of each other: the e-tron's lower range is compensated by its extremely flat and consistent charging curve.
TBH, I personally think the iX has currently set the new bar: it's very efficient and has longer real world range than either the MX or the e-tron, and the driving dynamics are the best of the bunch. I also think the iX looks amazing from almost all angles - I will say that the front may take some convincing, but from all other angles it looks awesome.
We will see what the new Q8 e-tron brings to the market. My guess is that it still won't touch the iX in terms of overall range, but it's going to be a substantial improvement for a car that's already really popular and one of the best on the market. People forget that Audi has sold something like 160,000 e-trons world wide over the past few years (Tesla has sold less than 60-70K MX in the same time period). The car is wildly succesful and shows that EVs don't need to be all about range. Some people just want a really nice car to drive and the e-tron was the only option until earlier this year. The Q8 e-tron's charging curve is supposed to be even better than the current e-tron and its handling sharpened as well, though early reports still say it's not up to iX levels of handling. Regardless, I'll put my name on the list once they start taking orders. I've had my e-tron for 3 years and can't imaging going to a different vehicle any time soon. A new e-tron that is the same, but more efficient, with longer range and 10-15% faster charginer sounds sick: sign me up!
6:33 tesla still does the red brake callipers for the performance models.
Not for the Plaid.
Thanks Kim. That was the most informative Etron video to date for me. And it was tightly packed yet well paced.
I’ve owned one of these Audis and got rid of it in 3 month. Now I have a Model S . It’s the smaller details that the Audi just can’t do correctly
Good to hear. Dieselgate showed the world where Audi's priorities really were.
It ain’t beating Tesla in range if you consider price wise.
Reports are that the new range for the Etron Q8 will be around 300 miles for the Sportback with smaller 19" wheels. Max charging speed of 170 kW. Not sure where he is pulling 370 miles from.
WLTP is 600km for Sportback with 19" wheels and special mirrors. US will not see that car since those mirrors are illegal in US.
I was shopping around for a lift desk and your recommendation was helpful, they had a $50 discount when I ordered today👍
Range is probably the single most important thing in an EV. Although I love everything else about the Audi e-tron, the low range really kills it for me.
I would say that the charging network is the most important thing
@@serlegar I agree. If you have a good CCS charging network (as we have here in most of Europe) even the original e-tron 55 achieves the same long-range speed as a Model X as it charges very fast (you can check this in Tesla Björns 1000km test results).
But the Q8 (ie etron if you go and order it now) has 600km WLTP range. 370 miles.
Tax credit for the Audi? What? Its not made in north America. And why wont the Tesla get a tax credit? Kinda confused. The Q* has poor range and youll be at the mercy of dealerships and cannot get fast charging like Tesla. Yuk. The current owner will be upgrading to the next Q8 version! My, just save your money. Drop $100K on a car and dump it after less than a year? What Rock Band does he play in?
The price, the range, and charging options when road tripping is a hard no on the Audi. Glad to see more EVs trying to compete, but Tesla is still way ahead of the pack.
Most people never road trip, or rent a car when they do (even gas car owners rent to prevent wear on their own cars). I've driven over 130K miles on EVs since 2019 and none were Tesla. With my experience the extra cost of a Tesla doesn't make sense (I currently have a Kia Niro EV).
In the case of the Audi, some people just want a nicer car. I've driven the Model Y Performance and it's an amazing car, but the interior doesn't do anything for me.
Tesla is ahead if you road trip regularly or can't charge at home, but for 90% of people who can afford an EV you're battery is full when you wake up and you don't really need even 200 miles of range. I even had a 2019 Nissan Leaf 40 kWh in Minnesota with range loss from cold weather, so I speak from experience.
Their charging network is definitely a competitive advantage. I started to get the Audi but went with the Tesla due to road trip charging options
Audi better u Tesla motherfuckers
Tesla’s infotainment is way ahead. They also make a huge profit on EVs. Something no other manufacturer or Audi can touch right now. The biggest thing for me is the range. Tesla is smoking others on range. That needs to change. Audi may move ahead where Tesla was 2 years ago but we will have to see if Tesla maintains the gap or not.
Love both EVs👍❤️!
When he was talking about the range of the new Audi, those were the numbers from Europe. The US version there shooting for 300 miles, so it does not beat Tesla.
It doesn’t sound like a customer review. It’s more like a PR/Marketing video. What’s up with the “Audi’s amazing Engineering team”No customer talks like that.
Being a minimalist but at same time you like the customization of the ambien lights ?😅 🤦🏻♂️
I have driven both the Y and the e tron. It's no match the e tron is way better built and way more comfortable. The assistents in the Audi is also easier to use. The interior in the Audi is just very nice. 😊
1:57 The moment of truth: 56 vs 76 cubic feet, showing how far Audi is behind Tesla in the all-important domain of packaging efficiency.
Tesla doesn't have the right cameras in the right places/angles to do birds eye or 360 view properly. They were optimized for FSD and not parking.
Oh my god live the intro ( graphics ) !!!! Okay back to watching
3:47 she's impressed
4:02 That is luxus.... something that is nice to have, but not needed ^^ perfect seats :)
Would love the 360 camera but I suspect the reason Tesla cant do it is because the front-facing camera is too high up the car and cant see directly in front of the bumper. So in parking, the 1-2 meters blind spot in front is a big no no.
Rumor has it what he mentioned around the 10 min mark is coming to all teslas! Hooray!
I immediately disqualified the e-tron due to dismal range. Furthermore, I ignore products not released for delivery because anything can change.
Though I’d still get a Tesla, I do agree the e-tron is better when it comes to materials used and luxury. Range is a turnoff but otherwise a very serious competitor to Tesla which I’m disappointed with when it comes to overall quality
Q8 e-tron does not come out till summer 2023.
hehe the ambient light and omg you have all those colors to choose from....
the competition is here! beating the Tesla only on price! Good car to buy used, great depreciation expected.
I was sold until I heard that terrible number on range. I guess I need to wait until "the next version".
This is my next carr !
I have mustang mach-e GT and the sound inside its like the normal mustang 😁😁
The only thing that really enhances the driver experience is the USER INTERFACE and nobody has a UI as good as Tesla has.
Still happy with my 22 MYP only complaint is no adaptive headlights when turning. Option I had on my previous car I never new I would miss
Great content Kim! And I enjoyed the product touts so you really know your audience.
I love Audi (we have a Q5) for its comfort and feel, but… I believe Audi is going to be behind in battery tech (and range) by about 4 years to a similar Tesla.
Very informative vid here on both ev cars here
370 miles range next year.Yeah sure...
He also assumes Tesla will stand still on their future range for the Y. I can see Elon smirking already.
370 miles wltp. 290 epa. Def not beating Tesla.
Hi Kim, BMW IX is my Favorit at the Moment. Maybe you have the opportunity to test and present it. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas! cheers
"Actually it's going to end up beating the Tesla very soon next year" I have absolutely never heard that before. /s
that air suspension is gonna be a huge fix for if/when the time comes.
a lot of cars and SUVs in the price range and even less money have air suspension and been around some years now, not that big a deal. a pump or bag goes bad occasionally. Sure it's more than simple basic independent suspensions, but that basic crap is what you have in cars that ride harsher and louder (and that basic suspension what the Y has which nearly every reviewer on YT complains about being a harsh ride in the Y vs cars with air suspension). Fact is any car in this price range should have air suspension for the money.
I personally feel these comparisons against Tesla are null and void simply because “CHARGING NETWORK” conversation over !!!
“When I’m downtown Atlanta, sometimes parking is an issue (regarding 3D 360 view).” What is he referring to? Crime?
I keep hearing all the companies comparing their future cars to current Tesla’s. What a bunch of BS.
So many cool cars, but the non-Tesla charging infrastructure needs to improve greatly for me to consider.
It looks cool and it has that "Audi-esque" interior--I like that. Nothing much more really impresses me about it, sadly. Tesla just made a real good vehicle and until they ""can beat Tesla next year", I'll be driving in my own Tesla. Now if Audi started installing a Tesla plug in their vehicles, that would definitely raise my eyebrow a bit.
NACS would be a large improvement on any vehicle.
*Nice commercial for Audi, good job!*
Range of the Audi is plain embarrassing. When it comes to EV game, Audi can't touch Tesla. And don't get me started on the charging infrastructure, tech, upgradability via OTA updates, cargo space (model Y).
I had to stop watching less than 220 miles of range at 100%😅 this thing is a joke it better have the nicest interior and features cause it's barely a car. Audi is one of my favorite car brands I hope they can make a efficient, long range, performance electric car someday. As of now you have to choose either range or performance which is sad coming from Audi...
great video Kim! i was thinking of audi also when shopping for EVs. again is about the charging infrastructure that Tesla have and no other car companies have! wake up car companies! all the tech you have but you can't drive the car then whats the point! also Tesla better take their game to a higher level fast! audi, porsche etc are coming and coming fast! tesla do you still want to be the #1 EV company!
The AUDI Etron does not qualify for the US TAX CREDIT. It is not made in the USA. ironically the tesla now has the 7500 tax credit made in America.
What’s ironic about tesla now getting the $7,500 tax credit? The fact that they had it and lost it and now have it again? Kind of wish they still had the $7,500 credit on the higher end models.
Can these two seriously start a podcast?? Saw Kim and Faze in another video as well and I love their dynamic and enthusiasm.
no way would I pay $98K or even $70K for the Audi. Thanks but no thanks. I'll keep my model Y
This guy sounds like a sales of Audi.
It doesn't sound natural when a customer saying next year sth sth for a car saying beating another car that you have.
Grills may be fake, but drive a BEV at high speeds for a while and they'll overheat. So vs ICE vehicles, more cooling capacity is removed than heat rejection is reduced. ICE cars will happily drive at top speed in summer, from full to empty. Slow BEVs like ID3 will do that as well, but goign slow takes very little power, causes much less heat rejection in cells and motors.
Why did Audi think 226 mile range was a good idea? Q8 is the one to get.
Tesla is the iPhone of cars. Many people talk $hit about it but they wish they have it.
My 5 year old self couldn’t have conceived that adults in 2023 would be buying electric cars that sound like spaceships…
2:17 Brand identity of Audi = no having an identity and looking like a "normal car" lol Tesla is on another level
Wife has the etron. I have the tesla. Etron is better but i love the simplicity and driving of the tesla.
I also think the 3, and the Y are now price right. Under 50k.. so now the teslas are definitely winning..
I drove the Etron and it’s like any other Audi, beautifully crafted and built. But for the money, do you want a “normal” car. I didn’t mind spending that kind of money when I bought my Model S. Range is pathetic.
Audi is build better and more luxurious.
Ikr finally a correct comment
Audi really does make nice vehicles and the creature features are also amazing, but we're still talking about a 100k vehicle. Can you pls explain your statement that after the tax credit both vehicles are about the same price. True but wouldn't you also need to calculate the tax credit into the model Y which would still make it 7,500 cheaper than the Audi.
They talk about some simple things like they are groundbreaking 😂😂😂. Be like“Let me show you something really cool, if you press this button the reading lights turn on, wow”
Do they even frequently update their software? I doubt it, and if they do..i bet its minimal
Tesla cars still have the advantage from other EV cars such as technology and the appearance.
I love your videos, but I have a big criticism here. You are taking Audi pricing at face value. Try walking into an Audi dealer and buying one of those SUV's for the prices mentioned in this video. You are going to be looking at a 10-20+% markup over what is quoted here or by Audi. Not so for Tesla. Furthermore, I doubt the "MSRP" quoted here will even be accurate once they release a "Q8" version that doesn't have dismal range.
4:52 Will the E-Tron lose it's tax credit in the new year? MYP should be able to squeak by, offloading the FSD to purchase post-delivery. If both are true, the near-parity will flip to a $15k difference.
yep, it exceeds the price threshold and is not made in America
They're all lovely cars in their own right. But something that really stood out for me is the urgent need for (affordable) EV's. Living where I do in Sth Wales, the individual prices of each of these cars would either buy you a 2-3 bedroom house or the better part thereof. Admittedly those homes wouldn't be in in upmarket areas, but neither in the worst ones either.
It's true that the wealthier in society usually tend to lay the groundwork in the beginning for new technologies before them becoming available to all. But EV's aren't a new phenomenon anymore and it's long past time for the average owner driver to be able to buy one, new or secondhand. Elon's not wrong when he says Tesla's are frankly, embarrassingly expensive.
Audi
SOLD!!!
No tax credits!
Model Y is bland toast. E-tron is pure luxury. I know. I own one.
the ix is also good. The model y is too expensive for what it is
“I consider myself a minimalist”
… Drives a $98k vehicle.
if the Audi really has more range than the X in real life I would get one
Etron is french ...;) They are a company from the old century. Ask for the efficiency.
The Audi needs wireless charging, tesla acquired a wireless charging company. But that’s an old idea. Looks like they’re behind the game.
Tesla is not a car company,it"s a software and energy company.
Model y is luxury?
LETS GO KIM
The bigger the car the smaller the man.
Audi nin quATtro +esp + 4x4 te en iyi olduğu, en iyi yol tutuşu vs hiç bir şey gösterilmemiş..