I love a totally different opinion set on what is good. The “well known” creators all just agree with each other without much thought and then the community parrots it. Lauria is a monster.
I don't want to outright claim they're influenced by what Wargaming wants them to say...but I remember how almost every single youtuber said Defence was overpowered when it's objectively the worst superheavy tier 10 cruiser in the game. Opened my eyes a lot.
@@hagostaeldmann Wouldn't say overpowered but it's certainly not bad. It's also objectively not the worst T10 large cruiser, Puerto, Stalingrad and definitely Sevastopol are worse. Cruiser dispersion on DoY guns with a 16s reload is just insane even if there's 6 of them but the trade off is that you get a pretty bad hull so you just play around it with the ridiculous conceal for even a heavy cruiser nevermind a 14" gun armed cruiser and you get a smoke and absurd gun angles and the Thunderer heal and... semi situational torps. I played the hell out of Defence when it came out and even Marseille felt terrible once I tried to go back to it (not saying it's better than Marseille or I don't like Marseille now btw) mainly because the reload felt like an eternity.
I gotta say, I'm more than a decent player at this game (about your same wr), but I doubt I could've pulled off that action at 8:50: - that first salvo on the DM I'm sure I would've flubbed. That triple citadel looked effortless, but it's not - shooting Auckland instead of the Yammy? with you so far... - ...but then I would've tried to ram, I just know it. Which would've actually worked in the Yamato's favor. I agree Lauria is "strong but almost boring". Lots of gimmicks and basically no way you're paying for them. Just stay angled and spam SAP, occasionally disengage with some of the best speed and concealment in the class. On a small note: it's Laurìa, not Làuria :)
Thanks for the compliments, there are many ways to be good and have good stats. I'm objectively not good at damage farming compared to other players with similar winrate, it's just not a playstyle or mindset I enjoy...even though damage farming can lead to very high winrate. A good example is most of my battleships don't have a super high average damage, but many of them have a very very high winrate. I play more aggressive in part because I play in division with friends, and hanging your buddies out to dry is scummy. Mostly solo players usually natural develop better survival and farming skills. For me it's somewhat hard to switch mentalities when I play solo. As such I think I'm better than average on the pushing in and multi tasking like in this video, because that's the playstyle I enjoy. It's more risky than damage farming for a similar result, that's all.
I kinda want to learn how to rip WGs armor models and get numbers from them, because I suspect if we compare the horsepower to cit volume of paper ships to real ships, or compare the displacement's we're given to the weight of armor plate carried, it'd show how crazily out of spec the paper boats are. Like russian BBs barely slower (if any) than anyone else by pretending that double the plating thickness doesn't add any significant weight, or other ships having microscopic cits but still having nuclear horsepower.
@@nlb137 lol seriously like this Lauria has 5 inch deck plating on half the ship and multiple layers for the citadel surely this thing would weigh well over 70k tons and yet it goes 41 knots
thank you, i saw the original comment, my advice is if you ONLY play randoms the Lauria is better but if you always play t10 ranked whenever it's available, incomp because it's very good in ranked. in randoms lauria is better than incomp but lauria is bad in ranked
I'd love it. AP would slam most bbs out to 18km instead of failing against any spaced armor at even close range. It would still be fast with brisk but not as dementedly so. Also IMO 45s turret traverse should just be the standard.
yep, sometimes it's absolutely ridiculous, even bbs with huge cits regularly go flat and take like 1 cit for 25k hit, same players then cry when they take 99% of DM hp away
@@hagostaeldmann yeah. I'm fine with not one-shotting people if that means I get more consistent guns, and honestly, overmatch just kinda feels cheap from my perspective. "So I get to ignore my target's armor just because I have huge guns?" "Yup." "And they have no recourse?" "Nope." "Well that's bullshit." Like, I get not having it is almost as toxic, but I actually want players who pay attention to where I am get rewarded by forcing me to either change ammo, change targets, or change position. I also understand your short fuse AP argument. There are some ships that probably shouldn't have it. (Stares at the Japanese BCs)
Ive been really loving these videos you’ve been putting out, you often times aline with a lot of things I believe and how I feel about certain ships, especially with this video on Lauria I did also watch your incomp video, and admitted Im one of those people that really dont care for it. Im going to try playing it again, Ive just found it to be frustrating, but I suppose it deserves a second chance. On another note, do you plan on covering all the steel ships? Do you plan on covering Rhode Island, especially now that shes being sold? Im really pissed with the way they’re handling her, at the same time Im really torn on whether Im willing to cough up that amount of cash for it
@@hagostaeldmann it really is baffling how brain damaged this playerbase is to see a battleship with 12.3 conceal, insane maneuverability, 43knot top speed, improved Ohio heals, radar, improved secs randomly, improved AP pen angles, BC dispersion on 12 guns, 22 sec reload base on 12 guns and insane HE output and think “its mid” like, WTF???? We’ve lost the plot somewhere. Its such a weak ship man trust.
@@BigD321 Particularly compared to HE spam cruisers. Rhode Island has 90% the HE DPM hindenburg has, 20k more hp, better heals, better dcp, etc. Same compared to ships like Henry, it's hilariously tragic
@@hagostaeldmann”we heard the playerbase complain about the state of cruisers so we decided to make a battleship that happens to be the best cruiser in the game, and we’re gonna make them sell a kidney to get it” - wargaming, probably
So I only really just looked at how ridiculous this car is. 1921 "battlecruiser" (yeah, no) with an 18" belt and 8 18" guns with a 4" to 6.7" deck and you're telling me that it somehow only weighs 57,000t and makes 35kts with a 235,000shp powerplant (the design calls for even less but it's still probably not enough). I want some of whatever Cassone was smoking when he designed this thing and I certainly want whatever WG was smoking when they thought this was good for the game. It looks pretty inspired by HMS Hood and that's probably why the quarterdeck is basically underwater.
@@hagostaeldmann There's the powerplant but there's also no way this abomination would be only 57,000t with that kind of armour and armament. The design called for 18 boilers to total 235,000shp. HMS Hood had 24 boilers totalling 144,000shp (32kt at 48,000t) and Iowa had 8 WW2 boilers that totalled 212,000shp. Iowa is probably a better comparison. That 212,000shp could push the Iowa to 33kts fully loaded at 57,000t somewhere around 35kts at a light load of slightly under 50,000t. You're probably looking at maybe 250kshp to push 57,000t to that 35kts. The problem is that Iowa had to make a lot of compromises to make 33kts fully loaded, with an armour belt of only 307mm and deck protection between 38 and 152mm. A far cry from Lauria's magical 457mm belt (1921 btw) and 32 to (depending on exactly how the armour is stacked in game) 290mm (wtf) of deck protection. But of course Lauria was never built and WG don't have to care about things like "physics," "production capability" or "spatial requirements" so we get shit like the 1921 design now known as Lauria which can go 35kts because it magically weighs 57,000t without sacrifice. Don't even get me started on subs and the like that can go 36kts base underwater (see WG's lack of care about physics) because WG hadn't had enough of whatever alcohol they favour while designing subs in the first place.
@@Jonathan27172 yeah, the base speed of lauria is extra egregious because with 30s turret traverse and low aa range....there literally is no 2 pt captain skill that you would ever take other than brisk. Proof they sent play their game.
it's a very chill experience but very mediocre when it comes to trying to carry, you don't have the tankiness, damage output, or relocating ability. I mostly play Slava when i div with a CV player because it is DISGUSTING with carrier spotting
i'll give this one a chance but your incomp review was so far off. incomp is not well armored. its thick upper belt just means it takes full pens. its think main belt means even napoli is citadelling you amd it has zero gun range forcing it to engage up close where it just gets absolutely beat up.
I have this crazy opinion that armor that is incredibly good when you play smart is better than armor that reduces damage taken when you play stupid. But I know it's an upopular opinion.
I love a totally different opinion set on what is good. The “well known” creators all just agree with each other without much thought and then the community parrots it. Lauria is a monster.
I don't want to outright claim they're influenced by what Wargaming wants them to say...but I remember how almost every single youtuber said Defence was overpowered when it's objectively the worst superheavy tier 10 cruiser in the game. Opened my eyes a lot.
@@hagostaeldmann Wouldn't say overpowered but it's certainly not bad.
It's also objectively not the worst T10 large cruiser, Puerto, Stalingrad and definitely Sevastopol are worse.
Cruiser dispersion on DoY guns with a 16s reload is just insane even if there's 6 of them but the trade off is that you get a pretty bad hull so you just play around it with the ridiculous conceal for even a heavy cruiser nevermind a 14" gun armed cruiser and you get a smoke and absurd gun angles and the Thunderer heal and... semi situational torps.
I played the hell out of Defence when it came out and even Marseille felt terrible once I tried to go back to it (not saying it's better than Marseille or I don't like Marseille now btw) mainly because the reload felt like an eternity.
@@Jonathan27172 Did you just say that Stalingrad is worse than Defence? Oh hell nah, Defence doesn't hold a candle to Stalin
@@BigD321 I really don't like Stalingrad, it's just a bad BB.
@@Jonathan27172 bruh
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I gotta say, I'm more than a decent player at this game (about your same wr), but I doubt I could've pulled off that action at 8:50:
- that first salvo on the DM I'm sure I would've flubbed. That triple citadel looked effortless, but it's not
- shooting Auckland instead of the Yammy? with you so far...
- ...but then I would've tried to ram, I just know it. Which would've actually worked in the Yamato's favor.
I agree Lauria is "strong but almost boring". Lots of gimmicks and basically no way you're paying for them. Just stay angled and spam SAP, occasionally disengage with some of the best speed and concealment in the class.
On a small note: it's Laurìa, not Làuria :)
Thanks for the compliments, there are many ways to be good and have good stats. I'm objectively not good at damage farming compared to other players with similar winrate, it's just not a playstyle or mindset I enjoy...even though damage farming can lead to very high winrate. A good example is most of my battleships don't have a super high average damage, but many of them have a very very high winrate. I play more aggressive in part because I play in division with friends, and hanging your buddies out to dry is scummy. Mostly solo players usually natural develop better survival and farming skills. For me it's somewhat hard to switch mentalities when I play solo.
As such I think I'm better than average on the pushing in and multi tasking like in this video, because that's the playstyle I enjoy. It's more risky than damage farming for a similar result, that's all.
I kinda want to learn how to rip WGs armor models and get numbers from them, because I suspect if we compare the horsepower to cit volume of paper ships to real ships, or compare the displacement's we're given to the weight of armor plate carried, it'd show how crazily out of spec the paper boats are. Like russian BBs barely slower (if any) than anyone else by pretending that double the plating thickness doesn't add any significant weight, or other ships having microscopic cits but still having nuclear horsepower.
@@nlb137 lol seriously like this Lauria has 5 inch deck plating on half the ship and multiple layers for the citadel surely this thing would weigh well over 70k tons and yet it goes 41 knots
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thank you, i saw the original comment, my advice is if you ONLY play randoms the Lauria is better but if you always play t10 ranked whenever it's available, incomp because it's very good in ranked.
in randoms lauria is better than incomp but lauria is bad in ranked
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Raise the citadel by two meters, make it 32 knots and we have a semblance of balance
Oh yeah also give it 45 second turret traverse with normal fuse
I'd love it. AP would slam most bbs out to 18km instead of failing against any spaced armor at even close range. It would still be fast with brisk but not as dementedly so. Also IMO 45s turret traverse should just be the standard.
Nope
to be fair, as a battleship player, most of my "they don't blow up" moments are against other BBs.
yep, sometimes it's absolutely ridiculous, even bbs with huge cits regularly go flat and take like 1 cit for 25k hit, same players then cry when they take 99% of DM hp away
@@hagostaeldmann yeah. I'm fine with not one-shotting people if that means I get more consistent guns, and honestly, overmatch just kinda feels cheap from my perspective. "So I get to ignore my target's armor just because I have huge guns?"
"Yup."
"And they have no recourse?"
"Nope."
"Well that's bullshit."
Like, I get not having it is almost as toxic, but I actually want players who pay attention to where I am get rewarded by forcing me to either change ammo, change targets, or change position.
I also understand your short fuse AP argument. There are some ships that probably shouldn't have it. (Stares at the Japanese BCs)
@@bohba13 japanese battle cruisers.. have short fuse AP? yoshino? bro are you sure
@@Airtroops83 the ones that are actually on the battleship tree. Not the large cruisers. (It's why we have the distinction.)
Great video!
thanks
Ive been really loving these videos you’ve been putting out, you often times aline with a lot of things I believe and how I feel about certain ships, especially with this video on Lauria
I did also watch your incomp video, and admitted Im one of those people that really dont care for it. Im going to try playing it again, Ive just found it to be frustrating, but I suppose it deserves a second chance.
On another note, do you plan on covering all the steel ships?
Do you plan on covering Rhode Island, especially now that shes being sold? Im really pissed with the way they’re handling her, at the same time Im really torn on whether Im willing to cough up that amount of cash for it
Thanks for the feedback. I am doing Rhode Island next as yet again....this community thinks it is mid when it is completely ridiculous.
@@hagostaeldmann it really is baffling how brain damaged this playerbase is to see a battleship with 12.3 conceal, insane maneuverability, 43knot top speed, improved Ohio heals, radar, improved secs randomly, improved AP pen angles, BC dispersion on 12 guns, 22 sec reload base on 12 guns and insane HE output and think “its mid”
like, WTF???? We’ve lost the plot somewhere. Its such a weak ship man trust.
@@BigD321 Particularly compared to HE spam cruisers. Rhode Island has 90% the HE DPM hindenburg has, 20k more hp, better heals, better dcp, etc. Same compared to ships like Henry, it's hilariously tragic
@@hagostaeldmann”we heard the playerbase complain about the state of cruisers so we decided to make a battleship that happens to be the best cruiser in the game, and we’re gonna make them sell a kidney to get it”
- wargaming, probably
What mod are you using?
So I only really just looked at how ridiculous this car is. 1921 "battlecruiser" (yeah, no) with an 18" belt and 8 18" guns with a 4" to 6.7" deck and you're telling me that it somehow only weighs 57,000t and makes 35kts with a 235,000shp powerplant (the design calls for even less but it's still probably not enough).
I want some of whatever Cassone was smoking when he designed this thing and I certainly want whatever WG was smoking when they thought this was good for the game.
It looks pretty inspired by HMS Hood and that's probably why the quarterdeck is basically underwater.
they had nuclear powered bbs in italy back in the early 1900s, didnt ya know?
@@hagostaeldmann There's the powerplant but there's also no way this abomination would be only 57,000t with that kind of armour and armament.
The design called for 18 boilers to total 235,000shp. HMS Hood had 24 boilers totalling 144,000shp (32kt at 48,000t) and Iowa had 8 WW2 boilers that totalled 212,000shp.
Iowa is probably a better comparison. That 212,000shp could push the Iowa to 33kts fully loaded at 57,000t somewhere around 35kts at a light load of slightly under 50,000t. You're probably looking at maybe 250kshp to push 57,000t to that 35kts.
The problem is that Iowa had to make a lot of compromises to make 33kts fully loaded, with an armour belt of only 307mm and deck protection between 38 and 152mm. A far cry from Lauria's magical 457mm belt (1921 btw) and 32 to (depending on exactly how the armour is stacked in game) 290mm (wtf) of deck protection.
But of course Lauria was never built and WG don't have to care about things like "physics," "production capability" or "spatial requirements" so we get shit like the 1921 design now known as Lauria which can go 35kts because it magically weighs 57,000t without sacrifice. Don't even get me started on subs and the like that can go 36kts base underwater (see WG's lack of care about physics) because WG hadn't had enough of whatever alcohol they favour while designing subs in the first place.
@@Jonathan27172 yeah, the base speed of lauria is extra egregious because with 30s turret traverse and low aa range....there literally is no 2 pt captain skill that you would ever take other than brisk. Proof they sent play their game.
@@hagostaeldmann imagine having to sacrifice something to take a skill like that. Couldn't be the battleship class
thoughts on slava ?
it's a very chill experience but very mediocre when it comes to trying to carry, you don't have the tankiness, damage output, or relocating ability. I mostly play Slava when i div with a CV player because it is DISGUSTING with carrier spotting
i'll give this one a chance but your incomp review was so far off. incomp is not well armored. its thick upper belt just means it takes full pens. its think main belt means even napoli is citadelling you amd it has zero gun range forcing it to engage up close where it just gets absolutely beat up.
I have this crazy opinion that armor that is incredibly good when you play smart is better than armor that reduces damage taken when you play stupid. But I know it's an upopular opinion.