Just got one tid bit that I did miss. And thank you for the first comment for pointing this out so I’ll covor it here and then I’m done Piccolo and gohan were present in the Moro ark meaning they DID witness goku’s power agaisnt Moro. And then saying that goku or vegeta may not have won against cell max could have some merit. However. You have to remember that gohan and piccolo cannot sense god ki. In both manga and anime adaptations mortals or at least mortals who can’t use god ki cannot sense god ki. Making them unable to have sensed goku and vegeta’s power and judged it exactly against the gammas and cell max. But we do know that it was said that the gammas were on parr with super saiyan blue as said by official sources from the movie. But anyway. Some may say “but they could sense moro and broly’s energy” well here’s the problem with that. Even if they could. Both piccolo and gohan were nowhere near strong enough to correctly judge how power each one was. Goku and vegeta were only able to do so after fused. And even if they were that still wouldn’t know where goku or vegeta lie in comparison since again. They can’t sense god ki. And plus once Moro went all technical ultra instinct(which is a angelic and god ki based technique) they for sure wouldn’t have been able to rate moros power to cell max. So them only knowing Moro’s strength before the merus upgrade and maybe knowing broly’s strength and having knowledge that “hey we don’t know if goku has complete control over ui so just using omen and vegeta using blue evolution we don’t know if either of them would’ve won” but of course they wouldn’t say that they’d just say “I Think dad or Vegeta might’ve not been able to win against cell max” like they did in the movie. But anyway. That’s my last point. I’m super tired. I’ll talk to you guys later
You brought up a lot of good points, but theres a few issues imo Piccolo putting the Gammas on Goku/Vegeta level should atleast put them above Moro 73s level for a few reasons. Moro 73 being someone you already explained is above Broly 1. You explain how Piccolo can’t sense God Ki. But he could sense the strength of the beings Goku fought. Jiren went Full Power against MUI Goku and Piccolo could def sense it. And Moro 73 also charged up to full power which Piccolo openly admitted to sensing. And he witnessed Goku overpower that Moro. So for Piccolo to say the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta at the very least means they stomp on Moro 73. I agree he wouldn’t be able to sense Angelic Moro. Which is why based on (in movie statements and logic) I just stick to them being above Moro 73 to an unspecifiable extent. Outside statements just say “Dr.Hedo studied Goku and Vegetas fights and equipped The Gammas with enough power to combat them” which should mean he studied MUI Gokus fight during the Moro Arc and made the Gammas that strong.
I actually really like this type of video. Some times power scaling can be fun when it’s not toxic. I think you did a great job with this man. I wouldn’t mind other vids like this! But I’d like to mention how Piccolo was present during the Moro fight and witnessed Goku at his strongest at that point. Piccolo still says that they’d at least struggle with the Gammas. Now given that he hasn’t seen them post Granola we don’t know if what he’d say could be different but knowing how busted the Androids can be (17 and 18 only having data from the Saiyan Saga and somehow being able to stomp multiple Super Saiyans), I think it’s safe to say they are at least Blue or Omen level which you established was higher than Broly. Piccolo then one shots a Gamma which I think could put him equal to or above Moro but I like Piccolo so I’ll say above. Ultimate Gohan is also above the Gammas putting him above Broly. Then Cell Max comes in and is able to stomp two ppl who are above omen lvl and two ppl who are around it (but somehow can take damage from failed Gotenks and Krillin). Piccolo himself said that even with Goku and Vegeta there it would’ve been a struggle but then again he has t seen their current power. Either way Beast Gohan TANKS Cell Max’s punch, and two shots him. I think that puts him on top other than Black Frieza. Sorry if my analysis was unwanted I jus love the topic lol
I know this video is a month old but now that the gammas are stated Moro arc Goku and Vegeta level which would be Ui Sign level since Vegeta was stated above Goku at the time wouldn’t this upscale Orange Piccolo and the Toriyama statement was probably talking about a current Broly at full power to which he’s unknown. Also statements saying it’s the strongest battle ever is also there.
I love these type of videos!! And I understand your points but I feel like theres some things that weren’t put into the equation. Moro being above Broly would only apply to Broly from the Broly Movie since that was the last time Goku saw Broly. Broly in the Super Hero movie is promoted as being the strongest once again and is even stated to have more power than Goku and Vegeta in the light novel of the Movie. Meaning he got vastly stronger in the amount of time he trained on Beeruss planet which makes sense considering how quickly he grew in the Broly Movie. And Cell Max being compared to Broly wouldnt be Broly from the Broly Movie who was weaker than Moro, but the Super Hero Broly who literally gets post Granolah Arc Vegeta and Goku nervous bc they are afraid he might lose control.
I stopped listening once he said Broly was UI omen level. Lmao!! WTF! And I think he’s not taking into account that Broly most likely is much stronger than he was in the Broly movie. Gohan Broly Cell max Goku/vegeta Orange piccolo Gammas
Just got one tid bit that I did miss. And thank you for the first comment for pointing this out so I’ll covor it here and then I’m done
Piccolo and gohan were present in the Moro ark meaning they DID witness goku’s power agaisnt Moro. And then saying that goku or vegeta may not have won against cell max could have some merit. However. You have to remember that gohan and piccolo cannot sense god ki. In both manga and anime adaptations mortals or at least mortals who can’t use god ki cannot sense god ki. Making them unable to have sensed goku and vegeta’s power and judged it exactly against the gammas and cell max. But we do know that it was said that the gammas were on parr with super saiyan blue as said by official sources from the movie. But anyway. Some may say “but they could sense moro and broly’s energy” well here’s the problem with that. Even if they could. Both piccolo and gohan were nowhere near strong enough to correctly judge how power each one was. Goku and vegeta were only able to do so after fused. And even if they were that still wouldn’t know where goku or vegeta lie in comparison since again. They can’t sense god ki. And plus once Moro went all technical ultra instinct(which is a angelic and god ki based technique) they for sure wouldn’t have been able to rate moros power to cell max. So them only knowing Moro’s strength before the merus upgrade and maybe knowing broly’s strength and having knowledge that “hey we don’t know if goku has complete control over ui so just using omen and vegeta using blue evolution we don’t know if either of them would’ve won” but of course they wouldn’t say that they’d just say “I Think dad or Vegeta might’ve not been able to win against cell max” like they did in the movie. But anyway. That’s my last point. I’m super tired. I’ll talk to you guys later
You brought up a lot of good points, but theres a few issues imo
Piccolo putting the Gammas on Goku/Vegeta level should atleast put them above Moro 73s level for a few reasons. Moro 73 being someone you already explained is above Broly
1. You explain how Piccolo can’t sense God Ki. But he could sense the strength of the beings Goku fought. Jiren went Full Power against MUI Goku and Piccolo could def sense it. And Moro 73 also charged up to full power which Piccolo openly admitted to sensing. And he witnessed Goku overpower that Moro.
So for Piccolo to say the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta at the very least means they stomp on Moro 73.
I agree he wouldn’t be able to sense Angelic Moro. Which is why based on (in movie statements and logic) I just stick to them being above Moro 73 to an unspecifiable extent.
Outside statements just say “Dr.Hedo studied Goku and Vegetas fights and equipped The Gammas with enough power to combat them” which should mean he studied MUI Gokus fight during the Moro Arc and made the Gammas that strong.
I actually really like this type of video. Some times power scaling can be fun when it’s not toxic. I think you did a great job with this man. I wouldn’t mind other vids like this!
But I’d like to mention how Piccolo was present during the Moro fight and witnessed Goku at his strongest at that point. Piccolo still says that they’d at least struggle with the Gammas. Now given that he hasn’t seen them post Granola we don’t know if what he’d say could be different but knowing how busted the Androids can be (17 and 18 only having data from the Saiyan Saga and somehow being able to stomp multiple Super Saiyans), I think it’s safe to say they are at least Blue or Omen level which you established was higher than Broly. Piccolo then one shots a Gamma which I think could put him equal to or above Moro but I like Piccolo so I’ll say above. Ultimate Gohan is also above the Gammas putting him above Broly. Then Cell Max comes in and is able to stomp two ppl who are above omen lvl and two ppl who are around it (but somehow can take damage from failed Gotenks and Krillin). Piccolo himself said that even with Goku and Vegeta there it would’ve been a struggle but then again he has t seen their current power. Either way Beast Gohan TANKS Cell Max’s punch, and two shots him. I think that puts him on top other than Black Frieza.
Sorry if my analysis was unwanted I jus love the topic lol
I know this video is a month old but now that the gammas are stated Moro arc Goku and Vegeta level which would be Ui Sign level since Vegeta was stated above Goku at the time wouldn’t this upscale Orange Piccolo and the Toriyama statement was probably talking about a current Broly at full power to which he’s unknown. Also statements saying it’s the strongest battle ever is also there.
Your editing is top tier abd you opinion is validated
Top notch bro. I’m impressed with how much effort went into this vid. Hope you make more similar content.
I love these type of videos!! And I understand your points but I feel like theres some things that weren’t put into the equation.
Moro being above Broly would only apply to Broly from the Broly Movie since that was the last time Goku saw Broly.
Broly in the Super Hero movie is promoted as being the strongest once again and is even stated to have more power than Goku and Vegeta in the light novel of the Movie. Meaning he got vastly stronger in the amount of time he trained on Beeruss planet which makes sense considering how quickly he grew in the Broly Movie.
And Cell Max being compared to Broly wouldnt be Broly from the Broly Movie who was weaker than Moro, but the Super Hero Broly who literally gets post Granolah Arc Vegeta and Goku nervous bc they are afraid he might lose control.
I stopped listening once he said Broly was UI omen level. Lmao!!
WTF!
And I think he’s not taking into account that Broly most likely is much stronger than he was in the Broly movie.
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