HK is the worst offender when it comes to neutering their designs. However I completely agree that the conversion of original military rifles to use AR 15 parts is the most annoying thing companies do.
HK hates it's civilian customers. I personally don't give a crap for their overpriced merchandise. There are American companies making better products than HKs neutered garbage.
We are in a spiritual war. There are principalities of darkness in high places who practice the dark occult arts of summoning demonic entities to let loose in our earthly realm. These entities attach themselves and possess individuals susceptible to their influence to carry out evil acts to drive division among the American people and ultimately to undermine the freedoms of Americans. The 12 virtues helps to block, bind, and limit the influence of these "entities" specifically in the context of gun ownership. As more people understand and live by these virtues, we strengthen the angels among us and weaken the grip of the demonic entities over all of humanity.... THE 12 VIRTUES OF THE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER: HUMILITY: The quality of having a modest or low view of one's own importance. It involves the recognition of one's limitations, imperfections, and fallibility, and the willingness to acknowledge and learn from one's mistakes. A humble person is not overly concerned with status, recognition, or personal gain, but instead focuses on serving others and contributing to the greater good. TEMPERANCE: The quality of having restraint and moderation in one's emotions, behaviors, and desires. Temperance is an important virtue as it helps people maintain self-control and avoid impulsive or harmful actions. GRATITUDE: A feeling or expression of thankfulness or appreciation for something that one has received or experienced. It is a positive emotion that can be directed towards others or towards life in general, and is often associated with feelings of joy, contentment, and well-being. Gratitude can also be a practice, in which individuals consciously focus on the good things in their lives and cultivate a sense of appreciation for them. SOBRIETY: The quality of being free from the effects of alcohol or drugs. It can also be used more broadly to describe a lifestyle or attitude that emphasizes moderation, restraint, and self-control. MORAL DUTY: The obligation to act in a certain way that is consistent with moral principles or values. It is the responsibility that one has to do what is right and ethical, regardless of personal gain or benefit. PATRIOTISM: Patriotism generally refers to the love, devotion, and loyalty that a person feels toward their country. It often includes a sense of pride in one's country, its history, culture, and achievements. MINDFULNESS: The state of being present and fully engaged in the current moment, paying attention to one's thoughts, feelings, and surroundings. It involves being non-judgmental and accepting of what is happening in the present moment. Having situational awareness. CONSIDERATION: Involves taking into account the needs and feelings of others before making a decision or taking action. It is the act of being thoughtful and showing regard for the well-being of others. COURAGE: Involves taking action to protect others in the face of danger or adversity, and being willing to stand up for what is right, even when it is difficult or unpopular. It requires both physical and moral strength, as well as a willingness to take risks and face challenges in order to protect others. RESILIENCE: Refers to the ability of an individual or a system to recover from difficult or challenging circumstances. It involves adapting to adversity, maintaining a positive outlook, and bouncing back from setbacks. Resilience can apply to various areas of life, such as personal relationships, health, work, and business. It is not the absence of difficulty or hardship, but rather the ability to cope with and overcome them. Developing resilience can help individuals navigate difficult situations and emerge stronger and more capable. THOROUGHNESS: refers to the quality of being meticulous, careful, and precise in carrying out tasks or fulfilling responsibilities. It involves a strong attention to detail and a commitment to ensuring that all necessary steps are taken and all relevant aspects are considered. A thorough person is diligent in their approach, consistently adhering to established procedures, conducting comprehensive checks, and verifying information or results to minimize errors and ensure accuracy. PRUDENCE: Someone who is prudent carefully considers all the available information before making a decision or forming an opinion. This involves being open-minded, objective, and patient in gathering and evaluating evidence, and avoiding hasty or impulsive conclusions. Such a person would be able to weigh the pros and cons of different options, assess the potential risks and benefits, and make a well-informed and reasonable judgment.
I like H&K guns but i'm only a fan of their pistols because of what they do to everything else. I always wanted a UMP but that thing that I see for the civilian market is disgusting.
The worst thing is when a company introduces a military and law-enforcement firearm, but they create a version for the civilian market that has a worse barrel, worse quality control, worse finish, worse stocks sites, etc. It’s not even the same gun in addition to the fact that gun marketing is extremely vague so you’re buying something thinking it’s a proven firearm only to find a reviewer who did extensive research that required testing and extensive research not from the manufacturer showing the audience that it’s a far cry from the original
@@robertsears8323 Eh ... I never bought the Bushmaster ACR because I was waiting for the variant that was closer to the Remington ACR. Both companies where owned by a parent conglomerate. The barrel was a lighter profile, the rail was sleeker, the charging handle was ambi, and none of these features were restricted items. Okay fine, I'll buy a SCAR instead.
I received a large bonus from my work and that’s when I realised I was too late to easily purchase a gen 1 Galil Ace, specifically the .308 rifle. I considered the gen 2, but I didn’t like the way it was configured and my research led me to conclude I couldn’t get it dressed up as a gen 1.
I think it's frustrating when even American companies do not release the parts to make the military version. Such as trying to build a 1:1 copy of the M110 or other rifles like that. Or they make them so prohibitively expensive that the average person cannot realistically get in, unless they save for a good while.
Another good example was the G3/HK91/PTR91. For decades, we were unable to get a proper paddle magazine release on an imported G3 clone. I understand that it took some time for HK, JLD/PTR and other manufacturers to figure out a way to keep the paddle mag release on the receiver while simultaneously keeping the ATF happy, but many American gunsmiths figured out loooooooooooooooong ago how to do that, and PTR *still* took until about 2015 or so to finally offer a very basic and standard feature on their rifles. Ridiculous. Also, to PTR--stop cutting off the tension ring on the triple frame/front sight base! You make the gun domestically, you don't need to do this! The barrel looks weird without that sleeve over it in the back.
Great content & review: I 100% agree about the Carmel it was the original version that attracted me to the Carmel and what they offered in the US was not that variant
I think it's a problem of competing interests. Any new semi auto rifle being imported is either going to be bought by military nerds or novice gun people that want something NOT AR15. But without fail what will happen is people will compare the rifle to an AR15. They'll talk about it's weight, modularity, etc. Then they'll want to add functionality to the gun by making more AR15 like. Then people will complain about the added costs.
*Tourists:* Go to foreign spa, to try *foreign* cuisine. *Foreign spa:* "Let's serve these tourists *their* nation's favorite food, so they feel at home" *Foreign Gun firms, entering US market:* "Write that down! Write that down!"
Spot on, and I fucking hate that shit. However, it works for the masses and all they care about is making money, appealing to the masses is what matters. We are the niche market, they are catering to the mall ninjas
Many of us definitely agree 100%. Especially those of us who feel that according to the 2nd amendment civilians should have any and all options that the military does.
@@uwesca6263 Yes for all arms. The 2nd amendment gives the people the right to both own and bear arms. It is written so that no arms of any kind should be prohibited.After all, this was put in place to give the people a means to protect themselves from tyrannical government and allowing the government to dictate which arms you can and can not have certainly defeats that purpose. However the people of america have allowed there to be prohibitions placed on their right to own and bear arms to the point where now they are only allowed to own a small number of arms and have to ask permission just for those, not to mention issues with simply bearing arms either.
@@uwesca6263 Legally speaking: Small arms that has less than half inches in bore size (12.7mm, or 50 Cal.). There are expectations for shotgun chamberings as the bore sizes are mostly larger than the 50 Cal., just in case if you wonder.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the FAL. Over the years, it had been made from kits with crappy receivers, then DSA comes along and makes true to form versions. It makes me happy to see you can still get an exact copy to this day.
1000% correct. I was going to buy an 8 inch rock and lock gen 1 Galil ace and put on a 13 or 16 inch barrel. Luckily the day I went on dissident arms to buy one, they released the 13" rock and lock and I was able to snag one. I want gen 1. The only reason I'd buy a gen 2 is to find a way to convert it to a gen 1.
I held out for *years* before finally buying my first Glock- a 19X. I share your opinion, guys. I wish it had that thumb safety, not because I like thumb safeties (I don’t) but I wish my pistol was authentic to what was proposed for the US military trials.
Totally agree, currently in the process of getting the parts together for a G36KA4 build. Such a pain to get the right parts but I will get the gun I want when it is all finished.
Zastava is one of the better companies that tries to give us the most authentic products to what they sell in Serbia. We love them for that 🇷🇸💪other companies should take note.
This assessment is spot on. I like the original look for military style firearms. I don't want all of the bells and whistles. However, if I want something with all the bells and whistles, I will just build it.
Zastava did what you guys are talking about. With the M70 Zpap they kept it as original as possible per the 922r specifications. But they also offer a way to completely change the whole rifle. Rail system,folding stock,muzzle brake,
I agree 100%. The Carmel for me made no sense immediately. I asked myself if it has all this AR compatibility why wouldn't I just buy an AR? I was even thinking of buying an SL8 a few months back just for shits and giggles but then realized how silly that gun is for me unless I do the Tommy Built conversion.
I've always been more interested in the older military guns. At one time I had several different Mosins ,Enfeilds and Mausers. I even had two real German K98s and two original Russian Makarovs. I really wish that I'd keep those, especially the K98s and Makorovs. It's almost impossible to find any good Mauser and the real K98s are like hens teeth and have a price tag that I simply can't afford anymore. Finding a genuine Russian Makarov is like finding a squach. I can't remember where my AK47 was made, but it wasn't a Russian made one. It was still one hell of a good AK. I don't know how many rounds I put through her but it was a lot. I even got to where I could do a basic field strip and reasonably blindfolded in just under a minute. I think that 58 seconds was my best time ever. I had a buddy that has a huge collection and shot them quite a bit and he would get so pissed because he never could beat me. We just did it for fun but I guess that since he had several and I only had one AK that he should be better. That's backwards. The old saying that beware the man with one gun because he knows how to use it ain't no lie . If you've just got one gun that you use for everything, it means that obviously the gun was one you liked and chose as the one gun that you needed for, well, everything that you would get familiar with it and learn to use it a lot better than people that had several. I'm kinda like that myself. I grew up learning to shoot and hunt with a single shot shotgun. Since we were poor as mire mice, we couldn't afford to waste shells so I was taught early to make each shot count. And as silly as it may seem, I still love and shoot single shot shotguns better than any other gun. I've got a early 60's Stevens 94c 16 gauge that is my favorite long gun. I'm not bragging or lying when I say that I'm scary good with that old girl. Out of the hundreds of rounds I've put through her, I've missed exactly one shot, literally. I missed a skunk that was trying to raid the garbage can. I had three broke ribs and a 8" cut from my side to my back and when it ran I couldn't get the right lead and just gave it a haircut. That still bugs me today, even after making a head shot on a crow at 50 yrds in front of witnesses using high brass Remington #4 shot. Not many people can do that but I don't know many people left that has been shooting single shot shotguns for 50 years either. It's just plain luck or the will of God that I got that particular gun. It literally fits me like somebody measured me and then built the gun just for me. I've shot a whole lot of different guns over the years and I have never felt another gun like it. After some hand fitting some things on my 4" 1911 45, it's getting close to just right for my hands and grip style. I don't use the thumbs forward hold but a modified revolver hold because that's what I learned on and shot until semi autos started taking over in the early 90's up here where I live. Sorry for the long ramble but I just wanted to tell a little of my story as a gun owner and shooter and hope that somebody reads this and realizes that they don't have to use a certain grip or have the same guns as everyone else to be a good shooter and hunter. Find what works best for you and just learn to use it the way that you can do the best with it. And don't waste time worrying about what other people think, it's your life after all, not theirs.
Sig didn't give the commercial market the "real" M17. There are plenty of differences between the gov contract version and commercial version that it should be the subject of your criticism like the Glock MHS pistol. Maybe they're somewhat minor comparatively but Sig still kept them separate on purpose.
I am certainly an AR guy. But can’t deny that the Galil Ace is a sexy beast. I really want one. And the original. Maybe after I get my next couple of builds done I’ll pull the trigger one one.
I'm not a rifle guy but would like to be, so this episode REALLY opened my eyes to what's going on. As an example, I would absolutely buy an original configuration Carmel, but the Americanized version looks worse than awful and I wouldn't even give it a second glance in a gun store. I'll be taking part in one of the IWI Academy classes next month and will bring this up there and see what they say. Thanks for making this video!
Hey Mac, got an example for you early 90s import an Norinco Type 56 in the type 56 sporter version which looks like an AK American hunting rifle. My dad bought one and I’ve always wanted to change the furniture to the military version of the type 56.
922R compliance. It's easiest to change out things like the pistol grips and stocks without having to majorly redesign the gun. While having the added benefit of leverage the AR aftermarket which is a double bonus because it saves in R&D cost since they can just purchase them off the shelf. In addition to them being compatible with everyone's AR's
@@williamflowers9435 Not really as people still invariably buy the guns. Look at the Springfield hellion. People bought them up like crazy. I've heard nothing of them being difficult to move. I still do agree they should sell parts kits regardless
I agree, however, the biggest cluster-F these days is manufacturers inability to sort out their out-of-the-box optics cut/plate systems for OR firearms and their inability to figure out what to offer in the case with the gun. The last 2 guns I’ve bought are still waiting for their optic. Bought a PDP a month ago, had to register it with them (did that as soon as I got home), then 15 days later I got an email telling me my request was received and it would be another 14-21 days to receive the plate. Lol, Whut? So, I’m still waiting for an rmr plate from Walther. By the time I get that plate, I will likely have moved my interest on to another firearm. And I bought a S&W Equalizer last week that has a 507k footprint. But for some reason, S&W decided to tap their slides at 6-32, while Holosun sends metric with their optics. So I ended up having to track down an aftermarket company that makes the appropriate 6-32 screws for 507k and purchase those. Currently waiting on them to be delivered.
iwi changing the gas system was a big let down for me. they went from a ton of positions to only a couple. in America we suppress everything so we want a ton of positions on our gas regulator
I don't mind the aesthetics of the gen 2 Galil, I just hate that the changes somehow added more than a full pound to the gun when it should have just added a few ounces.
Have you walked into a big gun store recently? It's like walking into Toys'RUs. The guns look like colorful toys. Gone are the days of parkerized steel, walnut stocks and milspec designs on the rack.
I actually like the fact that MDT chassis can use some AR pattern parts because then you can get some modularity out of it and truly get a custom build. But I do see your point. If you want to collect em then having those configurations make sense.
Amen, I got a hellion and first thing I did was look to see of I could convert it to a correct vhs 2, I hate the bcm grip and safety on it. I've always wanted a g36 and hate hk for not bringing a proper one to the US.
Isnt there import restrictions like 922r so springfield needed 10 or so US made parts for the helion. Whats changed? A lot of AKMs imported into the country come with furniture/ accessories that doesnt look like a true military rifle.
So apparently I've been living under a rock and this is the first time I heard about the IWI Carmel. So I watched a video from Shot Show 2023 and I thought it looked pretty good. Then I watched a video of the Carmel from three years ago and the original configuration looks waaaay better. I agree that they should sell the original configuration, especially since they'll be making it in the US, and release rails and whatnot for those that want to change it down the line.
I agree exactly with everything conveyed in this video. For the life of me I can't understand why these company's continue to deny us the original spec versions of their rifles. It's what we want! The IWI Carmel introduced at SHOT this year was indeed a huge boner killer for this exact reason.
I sort of agree, but Carmel wasn't ever adopted by anybody. Those early versions were terrible bulky prototypes that are only "the original spec version" to you because they released marketing material about it. There IS NO military version that's completely different of Carmel. That Americanized version is almost certainly what they offer to militaries and police, with a full auto switch as the only difference.
The mini beryl pistol is the same way, the gun in poland has the same rear sight block cuts for the optics rail as the rifle and has a rear trunnion that allows a stock to be mounted
Its ridiculous. They think they are selling a daily driver to compete with the toyota camry so they gotta add all the features to compete. But they are really selling collectable imported sports cars that people want to keep as original as possible.
I completely agree. It seems like many manufacturers try to make everything either AR-15 compatible and/or modernized. That’s fine, but also offer the guns in their original configurations. Another thing that I wish manufacturers/importers would do is to add 922r parts to pistols that are often SBR’d (MP5 clones, VZ-61s, B&T guns, etc.). Please spare me the lecture about how “922r isn’t enforceable,” etc. It would be a moot point if manufacturers/importers could simply install (or at least manufacture and offer as an option) the requisite American parts before the guns hit the market.
The same should be said for US companies as well. Like the ACR for example. Took me 9 years after buying one to procure all the Remington Defense parts to turn it into a Remington Defense ACR.
A year late , However, I can definitely agree that for collectors this is preferable, as well as the novice. And I really couldn’t agree with you more on some of the IWI guns ! What were they thinking?
Canada has this problem too, My HK SL8 is the perfect example. None of the American 922r crap, but it is still super civilized. What's worse is that a real deal semi-auto G36 is completely legal. But they're so rare its a $10,000 gun. I held one last weekend and wanted to weep.
As a fellow owner of an IWI Galil Gen 2 16in.. I feel in love with my Galil because it's an AK ready to be furnished. I understand your point as a firearm collector wanting everything to be close to the original. I just have to disagree because not everyone has the same taste as yall do.
for the Galil ace all mine are gen 1. I'd buy a gen 2 if it came with the original stock and cheek riser but I don't want to have to spend the extra money to buy the original stock
By the time I saw videos on the Bren changes, you and Misha had already grabbed ones and like you said, they were sold out fast. I wonder if they'll make the new version that is milled differently from all the previous versions to allow that collapsible stock? And maybe a 5.45 version? 😁 HK makes so many design choice mistakes sometimes that fixing them is impossible or so ridiculously expensive and frustrating you don't even attempt it. The MR556 is like the SL8 in that you get the discount isle version at far more cost than the actually military version. That law that says something to the effect of companies can't charge the government more that they charge the public should say they can charge neither more than the other. The Aces have gone a bit bland with the latest gen. M-LOK ain't all that big a deal. It has its uses but most of the openings on most of the rifles serve as just ventilation for the barrel and gas system and spots to buy and attach handguard sections to cover them. I do give them credit for having all the pistol versions. Something CZ does with the BREN but FN has only done with the Scar 15P so far. I'd love to see scar16P with 10 and 14 inch barrels like they offer for the military and LEOs. A scar17P with 10 and 13 in barrels. Or if they want to simplify make them both 12.5 inch barrels. Even a scar20P with a 14 inch barrel extending just far enough past the handguard. The one I saw on RUclips was by a custom shop but it could easily be done by the factory. The pistol configurations give the most options to the customers. Assuming the aftermarket or manufacturer supplies choices in barrels and accessories. They can be configured at whim of the owner. Hell, the factories might find it popular to let customers order products to the customer's chosen configurations. Sort of like the SIG 320/365 fire control unit. They offer the bare pistol receiver and customers select the barrel, sights, rails, grip, stock (with a long enough barrel selection) or brace (if the rule change is stopped). I held a Hellion at a show over the weekend. I'd love to see the integrated carry handle/sight available, different color options and caliber conversions. With the stanag adapter out, it looks like it could have enough room for a 308 mag from pictures I've seen. Wouldn't that be a surprise to the market? If it could happen it would give Desert Tech and IWI a challenge.
I think you csn go either way. If you look at the Beretta ARX, it came with picatinny rails on the sides with nothing usable underneath, a bottom rail designated only for a non-purchasable grenade launcher, and a short stock meant for body armor.
The problem with the ARX was price point, terrible trigger and the worst sights I’ve ever seen. It also dropped at an awkward time for the market. I maintain if it had been introduced in a market like our existing one, at a slightly lower price, and the sights weren’t entirely garbage, it would have done a lot better
Yes! I was soo disappointed with the new iwi Carmel, the gen 2 galil ace, Springfields vhs hellion clone, and sig changing the looks of their 550 rifles and Hk sl8 and I just know Zastava is going to give us some mocked up version of the original m21 ak, I want a dragunov not a psl. Would be nice if someone would make a True Famas clone.
100% agree, I am tired of trying to find originals when it could so easily be offered.....Are you listening HK. I wish I could even buy the IWI Uzi Pro SMG grip and longer barrel for my SBR (it would be safer to shoot). I wast trying to buy IWI Galil Ace Gen 1 and was surprised how they went out of production. Still never got one. Mfgs or screwing up trying to appeal to the AR proud. ARs are tools for most of our profession....we want to try different mil-spec stuff and compare or collect.
I think it's weird S&W and Federal introduced 30SC as a cartridge you can squeeze more capacity out of, but S&W only put 30SC in their lowest capacity models. I'd buy a M&P 30 Compact if it existed. It'd be the size of a Glock 19 with like 20 or something round mag capacity.
I know a lot of people including me that past when getting a Glock because of the safety. A lot of people say if you’re gonna carry a gun or use it for personal protection you don’t need a safety. If you train with a safety, it’ll become muscle memory. Hell, the IDF “Israel Defense force” don’t even carry their pistols with a round in the chamber. They train to wreck the slide when they take their pistol out. It’s all about training.
Agreed. It would work better all the way around if they imported an accurate mil version and a line of customizable accessories. Offering a made to spec service with an additional fee would possibly be an option as well.
I 100% agree with this. As a former soldier, I really appreciate the original military forms of all firearms. If I want to tinker and dick around with it I will gladly pay extra money to change out parts for new parts. All firearms companies need to allow us to have that option as MAC said. Hell… I already have an AR… so if I buy and AK, I want a true to form AK, not some AR version of an AK. Y’all keep up the good work and do what y’all do. God Bless.
I think the issue is, there's a lot more people that "Want a modernized, US market version". They speak their mind whenever this kinda thing is coming to market, then when it's time to actually go out and buy something, they just don't. The people that'd actually buy one want the original military version, but there aren't as many of those people, so it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't sorta thing. Like your specific example, the Galil Ace gen2. People have said for YEARS they want a free float M-lok rail with this feature and that feature, and once the Gen 2's came out, they've just been completely ignored. It's not a Galil anymore, it's an AR-15 that isn't as good as an AR that's at that price point.
The thing is, you have to move a LOT of product to make it viable to manufacture the polymer parts in-country. The molds are quite expensive to make. It makes sense that some smaller players go for off-the-shelf parts instead.
With the gen 2 ace, I completely agree with the original looking so much better and the only thing I would do is probably throw in an adjustable kns piston and possibly an mlok handguard in place of the pic rail it comes with. I wouldn't put on an mlok handguard that's longer than the original pic rail like what the gen 2 did. I think the gen 2 has all the bells and whistles of a modern gun, but it looks bad. Give me the original iron sights and the original look all day please.
Really interesting video and I do agree if you are a collector. As someone who is stepping away from collecting and moving towards using my firearms more in competitive shooting I prefer the Americanized features. If I like the rifle and want to use it, I also want to it to feel right while using it and not cost a lot for minor upgrades. I know not everyone will agree but I just wanted to throw my two cents in.
The thing that really drives people nuts is the complete unavailability of the parts to create the original configuration. Especially with a bunch of guns that are just way out of the way of a lean, practical rifle, it creates these absolute halfway-there-guns that are 1. Not the best rifle for competitive shooting 2. Not the best rifle for war 3. Not the original collectible configuration it creates mutts that nobody anywhere asked for
HK is the worst offender when it comes to neutering their designs. However I completely agree that the conversion of original military rifles to use AR 15 parts is the most annoying thing companies do.
HK hates it's civilian customers. I personally don't give a crap for their overpriced merchandise. There are American companies making better products than HKs neutered garbage.
We are in a spiritual war. There are principalities of darkness in high places who practice the dark occult arts of summoning demonic entities to let loose in our earthly realm. These entities attach themselves and possess individuals susceptible to their influence to carry out evil acts to drive division among the American people and ultimately to undermine the freedoms of Americans. The 12 virtues helps to block, bind, and limit the influence of these "entities" specifically in the context of gun ownership. As more people understand and live by these virtues, we strengthen the angels among us and weaken the grip of the demonic entities over all of humanity....
THE 12 VIRTUES OF THE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER:
HUMILITY: The quality of having a modest or low view of one's own importance. It involves the recognition of one's limitations, imperfections, and fallibility, and the willingness to acknowledge and learn from one's mistakes. A humble person is not overly concerned with status, recognition, or personal gain, but instead focuses on serving others and contributing to the greater good.
TEMPERANCE: The quality of having restraint and moderation in one's emotions, behaviors, and desires. Temperance is an important virtue as it helps people maintain self-control and avoid impulsive or harmful actions.
GRATITUDE: A feeling or expression of thankfulness or appreciation for something that one has received or experienced. It is a positive emotion that can be directed towards others or towards life in general, and is often associated with feelings of joy, contentment, and well-being. Gratitude can also be a practice, in which individuals consciously focus on the good things in their lives and cultivate a sense of appreciation for them.
SOBRIETY: The quality of being free from the effects of alcohol or drugs. It can also be used more broadly to describe a lifestyle or attitude that emphasizes moderation, restraint, and self-control.
MORAL DUTY: The obligation to act in a certain way that is consistent with moral principles or values. It is the responsibility that one has to do what is right and ethical, regardless of personal gain or benefit.
PATRIOTISM: Patriotism generally refers to the love, devotion, and loyalty that a person feels toward their country. It often includes a sense of pride in one's country, its history, culture, and achievements.
MINDFULNESS: The state of being present and fully engaged in the current moment, paying attention to one's thoughts, feelings, and surroundings. It involves being non-judgmental and accepting of what is happening in the present moment. Having situational awareness.
CONSIDERATION: Involves taking into account the needs and feelings of others before making a decision or taking action. It is the act of being thoughtful and showing regard for the well-being of others.
COURAGE: Involves taking action to protect others in the face of danger or adversity, and being willing to stand up for what is right, even when it is difficult or unpopular. It requires both physical and moral strength, as well as a willingness to take risks and face challenges in order to protect others.
RESILIENCE: Refers to the ability of an individual or a system to recover from difficult or challenging circumstances. It involves adapting to adversity, maintaining a positive outlook, and bouncing back from setbacks. Resilience can apply to various areas of life, such as personal relationships, health, work, and business. It is not the absence of difficulty or hardship, but rather the ability to cope with and overcome them. Developing resilience can help individuals navigate difficult situations and emerge stronger and more capable.
THOROUGHNESS: refers to the quality of being meticulous, careful, and precise in carrying out tasks or fulfilling responsibilities. It involves a strong attention to detail and a commitment to ensuring that all necessary steps are taken and all relevant aspects are considered. A thorough person is diligent in their approach, consistently adhering to established procedures, conducting comprehensive checks, and verifying information or results to minimize errors and ensure accuracy.
PRUDENCE: Someone who is prudent carefully considers all the available information before making a decision or forming an opinion. This involves being open-minded, objective, and patient in gathering and evaluating evidence, and avoiding hasty or impulsive conclusions. Such a person would be able to weigh the pros and cons of different options, assess the potential risks and benefits, and make a well-informed and reasonable judgment.
I like H&K guns but i'm only a fan of their pistols because of what they do to everything else. I always wanted a UMP but that thing that I see for the civilian market is disgusting.
German export laws
Plus, HK is far too woke. They buy into all the feminist BS. No thanks, hard pass!
The worst thing is when a company introduces a military and law-enforcement firearm, but they create a version for the civilian market that has a worse barrel, worse quality control, worse finish, worse stocks sites, etc. It’s not even the same gun in addition to the fact that gun marketing is extremely vague so you’re buying something thinking it’s a proven firearm only to find a reviewer who did extensive research that required testing and extensive research not from the manufacturer showing the audience that it’s a far cry from the original
Forgot a major point, should be able to leave the select fire function too. With no NFA!
Good thing that has never happened before and NO gun company would ever do that.
@@robertsears8323 Eh ... I never bought the Bushmaster ACR because I was waiting for the variant that was closer to the Remington ACR. Both companies where owned by a parent conglomerate. The barrel was a lighter profile, the rail was sleeker, the charging handle was ambi, and none of these features were restricted items. Okay fine, I'll buy a SCAR instead.
*laughs in HK*
We cant be onba even playing field with them. They are more superior than us 😂
Right there with you guys on the gen 1 ACE. By the time I was ready to buy one I was so mad they changed it.
I received a large bonus from my work and that’s when I realised I was too late to easily purchase a gen 1 Galil Ace, specifically the .308 rifle. I considered the gen 2, but I didn’t like the way it was configured and my research led me to conclude I couldn’t get it dressed up as a gen 1.
The Gen1 is blatantly superior in literally every way... hell, it's even lighter! IMI did a real stupid to the US gun owner.
They need to go back to Gen 1 ACE
I agree the galil ace looks so great! the gen 2 is a huge let down in the looks department.
I think it's frustrating when even American companies do not release the parts to make the military version. Such as trying to build a 1:1 copy of the M110 or other rifles like that. Or they make them so prohibitively expensive that the average person cannot realistically get in, unless they save for a good while.
Even just finding the M110 Handguards is a feat in itself and when you do find them, they're $600+. For some handguards. Thats ridiculous.
Another good example was the G3/HK91/PTR91. For decades, we were unable to get a proper paddle magazine release on an imported G3 clone.
I understand that it took some time for HK, JLD/PTR and other manufacturers to figure out a way to keep the paddle mag release on the receiver while simultaneously keeping the ATF happy, but many American gunsmiths figured out loooooooooooooooong ago how to do that, and PTR *still* took until about 2015 or so to finally offer a very basic and standard feature on their rifles. Ridiculous.
Also, to PTR--stop cutting off the tension ring on the triple frame/front sight base! You make the gun domestically, you don't need to do this! The barrel looks weird without that sleeve over it in the back.
I want a PTR91 but the retards don't melonite the barrels like they do with their MP5 clones!
Amen, preach it👏👏
Great content & review: I 100% agree about the Carmel it was the original version that attracted me to the Carmel and what they offered in the US was not that variant
Exactly the original design they showed off it WAY sexier than what we're getting😒
Nothing worse than the "super civilian" version of any firearm
Sometimes its nice to be able to purchase some variant of said firearm instead of none at all.
@@WVGunsNGoats get a tommybuilt then.
2 things are worse.
California compliant version.
Non-existent version.
I think it's a problem of competing interests.
Any new semi auto rifle being imported is either going to be bought by military nerds or novice gun people that want something NOT AR15.
But without fail what will happen is people will compare the rifle to an AR15. They'll talk about it's weight, modularity, etc. Then they'll want to add functionality to the gun by making more AR15 like. Then people will complain about the added costs.
*Tourists:* Go to foreign spa, to try *foreign* cuisine.
*Foreign spa:* "Let's serve these tourists *their* nation's favorite food, so they feel at home"
*Foreign Gun firms, entering US market:* "Write that down! Write that down!"
That’s exactly what’s happening lol.
Spot on, and I fucking hate that shit. However, it works for the masses and all they care about is making money, appealing to the masses is what matters. We are the niche market, they are catering to the mall ninjas
Many of us definitely agree 100%. Especially those of us who feel that according to the 2nd amendment civilians should have any and all options that the military does.
*know that according to the 2A civilians should have any and all options they the military does. Fixed it for you 😉
As someone from a different country: is this the case for all military weapons or just for firearms?
@@uwesca6263 Yes for all arms. The 2nd amendment gives the people the right to both own and bear arms. It is written so that no arms of any kind should be prohibited.After all, this was put in place to give the people a means to protect themselves from tyrannical government and allowing the government to dictate which arms you can and can not have certainly defeats that purpose. However the people of america have allowed there to be prohibitions placed on their right to own and bear arms to the point where now they are only allowed to own a small number of arms and have to ask permission just for those, not to mention issues with simply bearing arms either.
@@uwesca6263
Legally speaking: Small arms that has less than half inches in bore size (12.7mm, or 50 Cal.).
There are expectations for shotgun chamberings as the bore sizes are mostly larger than the 50 Cal., just in case if you wonder.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the FAL. Over the years, it had been made from kits with crappy receivers, then DSA comes along and makes true to form versions. It makes me happy to see you can still get an exact copy to this day.
1000% correct. I was going to buy an 8 inch rock and lock gen 1 Galil ace and put on a 13 or 16 inch barrel. Luckily the day I went on dissident arms to buy one, they released the 13" rock and lock and I was able to snag one. I want gen 1. The only reason I'd buy a gen 2 is to find a way to convert it to a gen 1.
100% agree the AUG in Austria is CL barrel the US AUG is Nitrided Barrel I really want the Original setup the military version has Chrome lined Barrel
I was one of the ones fortunate to pick up the BRN4 parts and HK416 upper receiver. I got the 10.4” barrel and freaking love it.
I held out for *years* before finally buying my first Glock- a 19X. I share your opinion, guys. I wish it had that thumb safety, not because I like thumb safeties (I don’t) but I wish my pistol was authentic to what was proposed for the US military trials.
Totally agree, currently in the process of getting the parts together for a G36KA4 build. Such a pain to get the right parts but I will get the gun I want when it is all finished.
Zastava is one of the better companies that tries to give us the most authentic products to what they sell in Serbia. We love them for that 🇷🇸💪other companies should take note.
This assessment is spot on. I like the original look for military style firearms. I don't want all of the bells and whistles. However, if I want something with all the bells and whistles, I will just build it.
18:30 In Canada we actually got some surplus semi auto x95 sbrs with the short round handguard imported for sale a while back.
Zastava did what you guys are talking about. With the M70 Zpap they kept it as original as possible per the 922r specifications. But they also offer a way to completely change the whole rifle. Rail system,folding stock,muzzle brake,
What annoys me is the required stamping of imported firearms. It really destroys the historical value of the firearm.
Its a part of the guns history, most dont really care about import marks anymore
Import marks don't destroy any historical value.
@@redcat9436 So long as its not a giant mark. Some mid 2000's marks were HUGE and so ugly Lmao
I agree 100%. The Carmel for me made no sense immediately. I asked myself if it has all this AR compatibility why wouldn't I just buy an AR? I was even thinking of buying an SL8 a few months back just for shits and giggles but then realized how silly that gun is for me unless I do the Tommy Built conversion.
I've always been more interested in the older military guns. At one time I had several different Mosins ,Enfeilds and Mausers. I even had two real German K98s and two original Russian Makarovs. I really wish that I'd keep those, especially the K98s and Makorovs. It's almost impossible to find any good Mauser and the real K98s are like hens teeth and have a price tag that I simply can't afford anymore. Finding a genuine Russian Makarov is like finding a squach. I can't remember where my AK47 was made, but it wasn't a Russian made one. It was still one hell of a good AK. I don't know how many rounds I put through her but it was a lot. I even got to where I could do a basic field strip and reasonably blindfolded in just under a minute. I think that 58 seconds was my best time ever. I had a buddy that has a huge collection and shot them quite a bit and he would get so pissed because he never could beat me. We just did it for fun but I guess that since he had several and I only had one AK that he should be better. That's backwards. The old saying that beware the man with one gun because he knows how to use it ain't no lie . If you've just got one gun that you use for everything, it means that obviously the gun was one you liked and chose as the one gun that you needed for, well, everything that you would get familiar with it and learn to use it a lot better than people that had several. I'm kinda like that myself. I grew up learning to shoot and hunt with a single shot shotgun. Since we were poor as mire mice, we couldn't afford to waste shells so I was taught early to make each shot count. And as silly as it may seem, I still love and shoot single shot shotguns better than any other gun. I've got a early 60's Stevens 94c 16 gauge that is my favorite long gun. I'm not bragging or lying when I say that I'm scary good with that old girl. Out of the hundreds of rounds I've put through her, I've missed exactly one shot, literally. I missed a skunk that was trying to raid the garbage can. I had three broke ribs and a 8" cut from my side to my back and when it ran I couldn't get the right lead and just gave it a haircut. That still bugs me today, even after making a head shot on a crow at 50 yrds in front of witnesses using high brass Remington #4 shot. Not many people can do that but I don't know many people left that has been shooting single shot shotguns for 50 years either. It's just plain luck or the will of God that I got that particular gun. It literally fits me like somebody measured me and then built the gun just for me. I've shot a whole lot of different guns over the years and I have never felt another gun like it. After some hand fitting some things on my 4" 1911 45, it's getting close to just right for my hands and grip style. I don't use the thumbs forward hold but a modified revolver hold because that's what I learned on and shot until semi autos started taking over in the early 90's up here where I live. Sorry for the long ramble but I just wanted to tell a little of my story as a gun owner and shooter and hope that somebody reads this and realizes that they don't have to use a certain grip or have the same guns as everyone else to be a good shooter and hunter. Find what works best for you and just learn to use it the way that you can do the best with it. And don't waste time worrying about what other people think, it's your life after all, not theirs.
I want the SIG 552 and their variants back. I'd love to see those more available.
Sig didn't give the commercial market the "real" M17. There are plenty of differences between the gov contract version and commercial version that it should be the subject of your criticism like the Glock MHS pistol. Maybe they're somewhat minor comparatively but Sig still kept them separate on purpose.
I was thinking the same thing
I am certainly an AR guy. But can’t deny that the Galil Ace is a sexy beast. I really want one. And the original. Maybe after I get my next couple of builds done I’ll pull the trigger one one.
Absolutely agree 1000% it’s not worth the money as much if it’s not original
I'm not a rifle guy but would like to be, so this episode REALLY opened my eyes to what's going on. As an example, I would absolutely buy an original configuration Carmel, but the Americanized version looks worse than awful and I wouldn't even give it a second glance in a gun store. I'll be taking part in one of the IWI Academy classes next month and will bring this up there and see what they say. Thanks for making this video!
I dont care what it looks like, Carmel?
Hey Mac, got an example for you early 90s import an Norinco Type 56 in the type 56 sporter version which looks like an AK American hunting rifle. My dad bought one and I’ve always wanted to change the furniture to the military version of the type 56.
You guys need to put some pictures on the screen of these guns as you scroll through these models.
I was very excited for the IWI Carmel this year, then I seen the Mlok handguard on it.
922R compliance. It's easiest to change out things like the pistol grips and stocks without having to majorly redesign the gun. While having the added benefit of leverage the AR aftermarket which is a double bonus because it saves in R&D cost since they can just purchase them off the shelf. In addition to them being compatible with everyone's AR's
But what they save in costs, they lose in sales
@@williamflowers9435 Not really as people still invariably buy the guns. Look at the Springfield hellion. People bought them up like crazy. I've heard nothing of them being difficult to move.
I still do agree they should sell parts kits regardless
Since you brought up the X95, I think you should do an x95 SBR versus the desert tech micron comparison video
I agree, however, the biggest cluster-F these days is manufacturers inability to sort out their out-of-the-box optics cut/plate systems for OR firearms and their inability to figure out what to offer in the case with the gun. The last 2 guns I’ve bought are still waiting for their optic. Bought a PDP a month ago, had to register it with them (did that as soon as I got home), then 15 days later I got an email telling me my request was received and it would be another 14-21 days to receive the plate.
Lol, Whut? So, I’m still waiting for an rmr plate from Walther. By the time I get that plate, I will likely have moved my interest on to another firearm.
And I bought a S&W Equalizer last week that has a 507k footprint. But for some reason, S&W decided to tap their slides at 6-32, while Holosun sends metric with their optics. So I ended up having to track down an aftermarket company that makes the appropriate 6-32 screws for 507k and purchase those. Currently waiting on them to be delivered.
I'm glad you two mentioned the Ace. I love the look of the original, but have zero interest in the 2nd gen's that I've seen.
iwi changing the gas system was a big let down for me. they went from a ton of positions to only a couple. in America we suppress everything so we want a ton of positions on our gas regulator
100% correct.
19X should of come with the safety, that was on the original trials pistol, IMO. Thanks for the share!!
I will never figure H&K out. They could put these rifles out with huge price tags and they will not be able to keep them in stock.
HK USA needs to offer a PP7 (pistol version of the MP7) and make the stock and forend with folding grip available for purchase for those who SBR them.
There is no such thing as an SBR, stop using government language.
HK needs to stop being a bootlicker
@@youtubekeepsshadowbannin-ym4go you don't have to live like this
@@timrobinson6573 I could say the same thing about you Timmey
or legalize the real mp7 which is my right to own an automatic weapon against they tyrannical government
Amen on the Carmel
I don’t want my foreign rifles covered bumper to bumper with M-lok nor do I want gd AR15 grip
I love paddle releases and decocker-only DA/SA. Imports and American versions tend to ditch those features.
You guys nailed it. I want a real 416. HK should offer an A5 in FDE. I have the money right now. Please just make it.
Than go by one they are no hard to find if you really have the money. It i s not like they don't sell them in the US.
Caracal 😂 made in the USA but owned by the UAE, guess who they also own, yep Haenal
@robertsears8323 hey genius, HK does NOT make what I just decribed
I don't mind the aesthetics of the gen 2 Galil, I just hate that the changes somehow added more than a full pound to the gun when it should have just added a few ounces.
The SIG 556 deserves mention 😢
Have you walked into a big gun store recently? It's like walking into Toys'RUs. The guns look like colorful toys. Gone are the days of parkerized steel, walnut stocks and milspec designs on the rack.
yup, what you said
Making firearms that look like toys, great idea.
Spot on as always
I actually like the fact that MDT chassis can use some AR pattern parts because then you can get some modularity out of it and truly get a custom build. But I do see your point.
If you want to collect em then having those configurations make sense.
Amen, I got a hellion and first thing I did was look to see of I could convert it to a correct vhs 2, I hate the bcm grip and safety on it. I've always wanted a g36 and hate hk for not bringing a proper one to the US.
Isnt there import restrictions like 922r so springfield needed 10 or so US made parts for the helion. Whats changed? A lot of AKMs imported into the country come with furniture/ accessories that doesnt look like a true military rifle.
So apparently I've been living under a rock and this is the first time I heard about the IWI Carmel. So I watched a video from Shot Show 2023 and I thought it looked pretty good. Then I watched a video of the Carmel from three years ago and the original configuration looks waaaay better. I agree that they should sell the original configuration, especially since they'll be making it in the US, and release rails and whatnot for those that want to change it down the line.
I agree exactly with everything conveyed in this video. For the life of me I can't understand why these company's continue to deny us the original spec versions of their rifles. It's what we want!
The IWI Carmel introduced at SHOT this year was indeed a huge boner killer for this exact reason.
I sort of agree, but Carmel wasn't ever adopted by anybody. Those early versions were terrible bulky prototypes that are only "the original spec version" to you because they released marketing material about it. There IS NO military version that's completely different of Carmel. That Americanized version is almost certainly what they offer to militaries and police, with a full auto switch as the only difference.
The mini beryl pistol is the same way, the gun in poland has the same rear sight block cuts for the optics rail as the rifle and has a rear trunnion that allows a stock to be mounted
Totally agree! I would love to buy the iwi carmel when it release until I saw the import version
Its ridiculous. They think they are selling a daily driver to compete with the toyota camry so they gotta add all the features to compete. But they are really selling collectable imported sports cars that people want to keep as original as possible.
just got a Galil Ace II in 5.56 and I really wish it had a plastic delete kit and rock n lock like the 5.45/7.62x39 versions
I agree 100% with Tim on this topic.
Why?
Because I like guns in original military configuration.
I completely agree.
It seems like many manufacturers try to make everything either AR-15 compatible and/or modernized. That’s fine, but also offer the guns in their original configurations.
Another thing that I wish manufacturers/importers would do is to add 922r parts to pistols that are often SBR’d (MP5 clones, VZ-61s, B&T guns, etc.). Please spare me the lecture about how “922r isn’t enforceable,” etc. It would be a moot point if manufacturers/importers could simply install (or at least manufacture and offer as an option) the requisite American parts before the guns hit the market.
I have the Ace Gen 1 in 7.62/39 rifle and love it it eats any kind of ammunition i toss at it
There's a reason I bought a plain old M9 when the M9A4 already existed. Great topic, guys.
The same should be said for US companies as well. Like the ACR for example. Took me 9 years after buying one to procure all the Remington Defense parts to turn it into a Remington Defense ACR.
A year late , However, I can definitely agree that for collectors this is preferable, as well as the novice. And I really couldn’t agree with you more on some of the IWI guns ! What were they thinking?
I'm just mad about the galil because I can't put an RS regulate rail on the gen2
The PTR 63 should've been an HK 33k or HK53 clone. But I still love PTR.
Right! I still want one, but I'm gonna get the zenith first
Canada has this problem too, My HK SL8 is the perfect example. None of the American 922r crap, but it is still super civilized. What's worse is that a real deal semi-auto G36 is completely legal. But they're so rare its a $10,000 gun. I held one last weekend and wanted to weep.
As a fellow owner of an IWI Galil Gen 2 16in.. I feel in love with my Galil because it's an AK ready to be furnished.
I understand your point as a firearm collector wanting everything to be close to the original.
I just have to disagree because not everyone has the same taste as yall do.
No, I love the Americanized Bren 2. I was not wild about the original configuration.
I am completely with you on the Ace though.
for the Galil ace all mine are gen 1. I'd buy a gen 2 if it came with the original stock and cheek riser but I don't want to have to spend the extra money to buy the original stock
I agree. Most of these other types people want what they saw pictures of. They are meant for collections
100% I love the more retro of anything!
I hate the fact every manufacturer thinks i want m lok.
Give me the quad rail, and shut up.
Dont force me to use m lok
Absolutely. Original Galils please
Thank you, yes. Couldn’t agree more.
I knew it. I instantly thought of the Helion when I watched the first 10 seconds of this video.
By the time I saw videos on the Bren changes, you and Misha had already grabbed ones and like you said, they were sold out fast. I wonder if they'll make the new version that is milled differently from all the previous versions to allow that collapsible stock? And maybe a 5.45 version? 😁
HK makes so many design choice mistakes sometimes that fixing them is impossible or so ridiculously expensive and frustrating you don't even attempt it. The MR556 is like the SL8 in that you get the discount isle version at far more cost than the actually military version. That law that says something to the effect of companies can't charge the government more that they charge the public should say they can charge neither more than the other.
The Aces have gone a bit bland with the latest gen. M-LOK ain't all that big a deal. It has its uses but most of the openings on most of the rifles serve as just ventilation for the barrel and gas system and spots to buy and attach handguard sections to cover them. I do give them credit for having all the pistol versions. Something CZ does with the BREN but FN has only done with the Scar 15P so far.
I'd love to see scar16P with 10 and 14 inch barrels like they offer for the military and LEOs. A scar17P with 10 and 13 in barrels. Or if they want to simplify make them both 12.5 inch barrels. Even a scar20P with a 14 inch barrel extending just far enough past the handguard. The one I saw on RUclips was by a custom shop but it could easily be done by the factory. The pistol configurations give the most options to the customers. Assuming the aftermarket or manufacturer supplies choices in barrels and accessories. They can be configured at whim of the owner. Hell, the factories might find it popular to let customers order products to the customer's chosen configurations. Sort of like the SIG 320/365 fire control unit. They offer the bare pistol receiver and customers select the barrel, sights, rails, grip, stock (with a long enough barrel selection) or brace (if the rule change is stopped).
I held a Hellion at a show over the weekend. I'd love to see the integrated carry handle/sight available, different color options and caliber conversions. With the stanag adapter out, it looks like it could have enough room for a 308 mag from pictures I've seen. Wouldn't that be a surprise to the market? If it could happen it would give Desert Tech and IWI a challenge.
I think you csn go either way. If you look at the Beretta ARX, it came with picatinny rails on the sides with nothing usable underneath, a bottom rail designated only for a non-purchasable grenade launcher, and a short stock meant for body armor.
The problem with the ARX was price point, terrible trigger and the worst sights I’ve ever seen. It also dropped at an awkward time for the market.
I maintain if it had been introduced in a market like our existing one, at a slightly lower price, and the sights weren’t entirely garbage, it would have done a lot better
You can buy the picatinny section that goes on the bottom of the handguard from Beretta
They removed the 3 lug from the American import of the PMX. Gay
@@iltonnotattico6231 because the forend isn't tall enough already...
@@skipjackdiver4297 personally, I prefer direct thread anyway
Stop removing paddle magazine release
Yes! I was soo disappointed with the new iwi Carmel, the gen 2 galil ace, Springfields vhs hellion clone, and sig changing the looks of their 550 rifles and Hk sl8 and I just know Zastava is going to give us some mocked up version of the original m21 ak, I want a dragunov not a psl. Would be nice if someone would make a True Famas clone.
100% agree, I am tired of trying to find originals when it could so easily be offered.....Are you listening HK. I wish I could even buy the IWI Uzi Pro SMG grip and longer barrel for my SBR (it would be safer to shoot). I wast trying to buy IWI Galil Ace Gen 1 and was surprised how they went out of production. Still never got one. Mfgs or screwing up trying to appeal to the AR proud. ARs are tools for most of our profession....we want to try different mil-spec stuff and compare or collect.
I totally agree.
I think it's weird S&W and Federal introduced 30SC as a cartridge you can squeeze more capacity out of, but S&W only put 30SC in their lowest capacity models.
I'd buy a M&P 30 Compact if it existed. It'd be the size of a Glock 19 with like 20 or something round mag capacity.
I know a lot of people including me that past when getting a Glock because of the safety. A lot of people say if you’re gonna carry a gun or use it for personal protection you don’t need a safety. If you train with a safety, it’ll become muscle memory. Hell, the IDF “Israel Defense force” don’t even carry their pistols with a round in the chamber. They train to wreck the slide when they take their pistol out. It’s all about training.
Agreed. It would work better all the way around if they imported an accurate mil version and a line of customizable accessories. Offering a made to spec service with an additional fee would possibly be an option as well.
We COULD start with 922r by getting rid of it. THEN "yell" at the foreign gun makers about the originality of the firearm they send to the U.S..
I 100% agree with this. As a former soldier, I really appreciate the original military forms of all firearms. If I want to tinker and dick around with it I will gladly pay extra money to change out parts for new parts. All firearms companies need to allow us to have that option as MAC said. Hell… I already have an AR… so if I buy and AK, I want a true to form AK, not some AR version of an AK. Y’all keep up the good work and do what y’all do. God Bless.
I do like the option of mlok but I don't want everything to be an ar.
Another thing is introducing a rifle. But absolutely no spare parts for that rifle. For example. IWI Tavor X95. Out of stock forever
I could not agree more with this video.
FAB defense FTW! I love my M70 FABed out! 😅
Agree on the H&K SL8, I'd take a G36, but an SL8, eh.
I think the issue is, there's a lot more people that "Want a modernized, US market version". They speak their mind whenever this kinda thing is coming to market, then when it's time to actually go out and buy something, they just don't. The people that'd actually buy one want the original military version, but there aren't as many of those people, so it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't sorta thing. Like your specific example, the Galil Ace gen2. People have said for YEARS they want a free float M-lok rail with this feature and that feature, and once the Gen 2's came out, they've just been completely ignored. It's not a Galil anymore, it's an AR-15 that isn't as good as an AR that's at that price point.
I can't believe a G28 hand guard + buttstock cost $1400. Thanks HK
They did this to the Bren 2 as well. I wanted the picatinny rails on the side, the handguard they switched to sucks
The thing is, you have to move a LOT of product to make it viable to manufacture the polymer parts in-country. The molds are quite expensive to make. It makes sense that some smaller players go for off-the-shelf parts instead.
I agree with you guys.
With the gen 2 ace, I completely agree with the original looking so much better and the only thing I would do is probably throw in an adjustable kns piston and possibly an mlok handguard in place of the pic rail it comes with. I wouldn't put on an mlok handguard that's longer than the original pic rail like what the gen 2 did. I think the gen 2 has all the bells and whistles of a modern gun, but it looks bad. Give me the original iron sights and the original look all day please.
The SIG 556 Classic comes to mind and was a flop. I wish they would have done the PE90 (550) in the USA. Why SIG, why???
I'm actually looking for a gen 2 Ace in 7.62x39 because I like that version of the ace the best.For me it's like a modern AK.
Really interesting video and I do agree if you are a collector. As someone who is stepping away from collecting and moving towards using my firearms more in competitive shooting I prefer the Americanized features. If I like the rifle and want to use it, I also want to it to feel right while using it and not cost a lot for minor upgrades. I know not everyone will agree but I just wanted to throw my two cents in.
The thing that really drives people nuts is the complete unavailability of the parts to create the original configuration. Especially with a bunch of guns that are just way out of the way of a lean, practical rifle, it creates these absolute halfway-there-guns that are 1. Not the best rifle for competitive shooting 2. Not the best rifle for war 3. Not the original collectible configuration
it creates mutts that nobody anywhere asked for