Gen 3 Joola's FAIL Recertification, Class Action Lawsuit & Ronbus Ripple Delisted
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:43 - USAP Statement
3:34 - Joola Statement
5:20 - Class Action Lawsuit
6:27 - Ronbus Ripple Delisted
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I bought a Perseus 16mm Gen 3 at Dick’s Sporting Goods on April 26, shortly after launch date. Knew I was taking a chance. Stopped using the paddle the day USPA removed it from the list. Today, I took the paddle, original receipt and copy of JOOLA statement to the same Dick’s Sporting Goods where purchased, asked for manager, showed him the statement and told him I hadn’t used the paddle since the original de-listing date. They preferred I look for another paddle for an exchange, had nothing I was interested in so they refunded the full purchase price, no questions asked. Kudos to Dick’s Sporting Goods and the store manager in Montrose, OH. 👏🏼
Courtside Tennis did that for me.
Did you get to keep the paddle?
Fellow montrose resident! Love our dicks sporting goods
@@tyverde22 Nope
Bruh I’m shocked Dick’s usually lives up to their name with that kind of stuff.
How Ronbus responded is an example of class and the right thing to do, even at the expense they obviously incurred by having to shelve the paddle.
The absence of any statement about legal action(à la Joola) doesn't mean it isn't underway...
Ronbus needs to sue as the USAP originally listed the paddle, but subsequently delisted it because they unilaterally modified the testing parameters.
@@trumpisastump9382 Exactly! Moving the goal posts
@@ianmacdonald5278 "Your honor, we argue that we did, whether knowingly or unknowingly, submitted exhibit paddle A to USAP for testing. This paddle was materially different from the paddle we eventually sold to the unsuspecting public, under the same brand, model, and alleged specifications as the exhibit paddle A, which again is materially different. We respectfully argue that USAP should pay damages to us because we mistakenly sent them the wrong paddle for testing and then switched it out without telling anyone before going to market.... " - Good luck with that one. Case dismissed.
@@trumpisastump9382 damn right they should it's very likely that pretty much every paddle that gets remove from list and will sue them
Dong Li if you know him, is a top notch human being. Not surprised at all at Ronbus response to this. If you've played against him when hes testing these paddles.....hope you're ok.
It's time for a real discussion about this. It's simple math you can work this out and see exactly where they're going.
Thanks for always keeping us posted, Chris!
Thx, Chris.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work
The USAP will get sued by Joola and they will lose. USAP's line about "allowing manufacturers to innovate as long as the innovations don't overwhelm or outpace the average player's ability to keep up with the speed of the sport" is completely up to interpretation.
The same thing happened in golf with metal drivers. With technology and ever increasing insane COR numbers, the potential existed for golf balls to be just launched into outer space, so limits were set.
When the dust settles, maximum parameters must be set for pickleball in order to prevent paddles from becoming lethal weapons.
"...lethal weapons"???? Hyperbole much?? It is essentially a wiffle ball that could leave a bruise or sting a bit, but lethal?? If you have to exaggerate so much to make a point, you probably don't have one.
In order to preserve the safety and enjoyment of the game, too. I know when facing one of these trampoline paddles, the overheads will not be returnable. They simply fly off the paddle face too quickly. They exhibit a power level higher than the older delaminated paddles.
@trumpisastump9382 I think it's the eye injury potential plus no limits could result in a purely serve and volley type game evolution.
I have so much fun playing with gen 3 hyperion I got from pickleball central. Love playing with it recreationally. I see the concern a more power and more injuries. Wow the gearbox still out
I'm right there with you. I have the Ben Johns Hyperion Gen 3 and I absolutely love it. I only play recreational with it of course. I hope USAP and Joola figure out a solution to re-list the Joola Gen 3's. Anyway, I have a Ben Johns Hyperion Pro Series if I need a tournament paddle. 👍🏼
Also took mine back to Dicks this morning. They refunded without issue. They were aware and are expecting mass returns. St. Augustine, FL.
Good stuff
Wild!!!
The issue seems to be the break-in period and the paddle changing in power and other qualities over time. Because of this, they also removed all the Alpha paddles previously approved because after break-in, they no longer pass.
Could you please explain the basis of your statement regarding exceed power generated by the paddle . Is it true that pickleball rules do not directly restrict the speed of the ball coming off the paddle. Instead, they focus on factors such as materials, surface roughness, size, weight, and alterations to ensure fairness and safety on the court. Paddles must meet specifications related to length, width, weight, and surface smoothness12. There is no specific rule limiting the exit speed velocity of the ball off the paddle.
My theory is, they say they Failed 'certification' not re-certification.. They took the new paddles and tested them with the new exit velocity test and they failed... Since these paddles were never submitted prior they fell under the new test.. Just like Rombus with there new alpha paddle.. Retested it with the new exit velocity test and it failed..
Class action lawsuit I garbage if they are refunding customers money..
If this was the case, couldn't Joola just release the exact paddle spec that did get submitted and approved the first time and call USAP's bluff? It seems very likely that USAP changed their standards and is trying to use the submission error as an excuse
Yeah, I agree. Joola is mad that they are losing a whole bunch of money because this USAP thing. And that's simply because they broke the rules and were caught on it
@@mikemccoy4959 the new exit velocity test was not out when the original 'wrong' paddles were submitted.. So they passed the old tests... Now when joola submitted the correct paddles tge new exit velocity test is in effect.. Since the 'correct' paddles were never submitted before they fsll ujder the new exit velocity test and failed.. It's just my theory but the only one that makes sense.. It's not a re test as the paddles were never submitted..
@@Gary-W ya but that's the point...the 'correct' paddles weren't submitted before the new test....but the 'ones they accidentally submitted' were approved, so sell those !
@@mikemccoy4959they obviously aren't mass produced and might not be the final product.. Joola did say that the ones submitted were materially the same as the correct ones.. Kind of hints they weren't exactly the same paddles..
what about the gearbox ppe?
8:17 THIS!!!
I was wondering if Selkirk has ever made the mainline version of the 006?
The lawsuit = ambulance chasing. Filing law firm hopes to get some $ from JOOLA.
Somewhat, but I'm glad they filed it. If you read the filing the main complaint is that Joola continued (and is continuing) to sell these paddles with the USAP Approved label after the paddles were removed from the approved list. IMO this is totally valid and Joola should have halted all sales at the point they were removed from the list (or somehow taken off the USAP approved label and specifically mentioned they were not USAP approved if there were going to continue to sell them).
Sport squad is a third party that was doing the actual work of servicing (shipping,handling, returns, etc.) paddles sold from the Joola site. From the lawsuit it looks like they were getting paid per paddle, so they put a bunch of work to ship out and service all of these paddles, that will now be returned back to sport squad. All that work, and they won't get paid for it because Joola was selling known-fail paddles.
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had used the gen 3 perseus 16 for quite a bit before returning it due to the ban and i can honestly say its not too powerful. You can certainly hit a pretty big shot tho, but only if u take a huge swing, so its not free power. If anything the paddle probably has too much dwell time which is helping with the spin and sweet spot. I felt like it had unbelievable control and consistency. I dont understand people saying it was hard to control, its just different and may take traditional pickleballers a adjustment period. But personally i think higher dwell times allow you to manipulate your shots more which is better for the game and better for control.
but on a.side note, this whole anti power sentiment is such BS, we are no where near unsafe limits yet. When i came into pickleball from a 16 year tennis background, i saw success driving my 3rds or hybrid drive dinking my 3rds and dinking my 5ths. EVERYONE told me i was doing it wrong and that better players would punish me. They were basically trying to get me to just dink everything and shape me into their mold of what originally worked for pickleball. Now you look at the pros, and all of the drive their 3rds and dink their 5ths. And now, we have this anti power sentiment. Do we not see the hypocrisy in all this? First im told hitting hard is bad and doesnt work for high level. Then when it works, they say it works too well it needs to be banned and power is unsafe?? Also the PPA is comprised of the top players which certainly raises an eyebrow. Wouldnt the top players want to shape the game into what allows them to win the most. The johns brothers are renown for thier soft game. If the technology allows for bigger and more agressive plays, it takes away their main advantage from everyone else. One can see the conflict of interest here. If you look at all the current upsets the johns brothers had, it was all against agressive players, with speed ups and controlled lobs at the kitchen, all made possible from new gen paddles.
what’s up guys
Any recommendations for a paddle similar to the Perseus Gen 3 16mm?
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I still think the legacy is the closest thing and to me best paddle on market
Gear box Pro power !
Just something to be aware of if you keep your paddle the G-3 there extending your warranty additional 6 mths total of 18 mth 😎
Something to smile about 👍🏻
At some point they need to draw a line with these new paddles that are skirting the traditional testing parameters - starting with the Gearbox PPE. The current testing method doesn't work for these paddles where the surface trampolines once off the testing device. They are essentially legal EVA power level paddles - and possibly higher. The increased power is noticeable on hard flicks and overheads. It's affecting the game negatively and will lead to more eye injuries during hand battles.
Hmm, aluminum vs wooden bats, and with this push of power, faster, and greater, we just might have to expand the courts; oh yah, that's called tennis! OMG !
Maybe we don't need to go for that much power, and the Gen 2 paddles we have now can meet the needs, I like the Hudef viva pro gen 3, which has more power than my Vatic prism flash and performs better overall.
Wow you just described to market in which the current companies basically have in a monopoly. And said that your grandchildren if by some stroke of luck they get to play this game, they will have to play with the same $5 worth of thermoplastic?
They won't. if this sport is so greedy and short-sighted that it thinks it has everything perfectly right now it will not have a future. In fact I can almost guarantee you the sport has no future professionally.
Are we not reading the same thing? USPA knew and reported issues before launch. Joola said it was the wrong ones tested and launched anyway. USPA removed them off the approved list when they knew they were on sale (before the next set were tested). Joola then submitted correct paddles to be tested. They also failed. Problem is Joola fault for launching anyway. And also for submitting the wrong ones and then failing the second testing still.
I had stopped using the joola gen 3 because i could no longer swing normally, even though there was spin. It was changing my game for the worse. Returned it for refund
Delist all the floating core / trampoline areas addles, this is a W for USAP so far
awe, afraid of a little pickleball traveling too fast??? Perhaps bocce ball would be more appropriate for you.
@@trumpisastump9382 um, not really. Though I’m sure you’re salty about wasting all your money, so you’re taking you’re aggression out on strangers on the internet.
@@trumpisastump9382are you afraid to use a paddle with a reasonable and safe exit velocity? Because of the kitchen size and the distance to one's opponents, the PB was never meant to be traveling so quickly.
How has the Gearbox PPE passed the exit velocity test?
Do y’all remember launch day? And how weird it was? No announcement for most of the day. I remember checking their social media most of the morning wondering what had happened. It has to be related, no?
What about those of us who bought our Gen3 through a rep? No receipt or anything…?
Watch them ban led tape next
Maybe what we need is more control than power. I use Hudef paddles all the time and I am very reassured by their quality.
Not the Future, correct? That's an EVA core.
@@sbinsdca I use Hudef Viva Pro Gen 3.
I should have got a vice grip . Joola 3 have sharp uncomfortable handles . Had to grind it down . And its a legal as a vice grip paddel
As arguably RUclips's most knowledgeable paddle expert, I have a question. What would you consider to be a good singles paddle with the following characteristics?
low swing weight (110 or less)
good twist weight (6.5+)
great spin (around 2000+)
preferably non-thermoformed
Thermoformed, but the Spartus Apollo seems to meet your needs.
Oh, snap
Anyone think the gearbox pro power is gonna be delisted anytime soon too? I’m just shocked it’s been almost a year it’s been around and joola gen 3 paddles only been on for like 2-3 months lol
Pro power should be de listed as well. It’s a hand cannon. Lol
What year were gen 3's made?
The truth is the Perseus Gen 2 or Hyperion C2 "breaks in" or delaminates to an illegal paddle over a short period of time, a couple months for me. The pros have their paddles tested before a tournament. I played with a guy who called me a cheater with my Perseus Gen 3, after the match, instead of fighting him, we swapped paddles and hit drives, his was a C2. He could tell no power difference from my Perseus Gen 3. His C2 felt to me just as powerful--- because obviously even though it looked "well kept" it was NOT legal. The whole system is flawed fellas.
Breaking in and delamination are in no way the same thing. Most Gen 2 paddles play better with some use but they do not need to delaminate to do this. A delaminated paddle is illegal. A paddle that is "Broken in" is not. Defining the technical aspects of what happens to a paddle with some use is neither here nor there as it happens with most paddles. It gets better then slowly declines unless it delaminated which increases power.
My C2 plays very different than my Gen 3. Mostly on the control and spin side, but pop is better with Gen 3 too. Every player is different. The Gen 3 patched some control spots in my game especially with drops. I am going to miss it. It was nice to purchase some talent... guess I will have to earn it instead.
All you need to do is play against a skilled player with and without the paddle and you'll see this paddle needs to be banned everywhere. Makes every hit look like magic. It ruins the fun when they can easily add spin and speed that's impossible on any other paddle, any wrist, any level of skill
IMO, this most likely indicates that the USAPA "power testing" or other testing rotocols are inaccurate and inconsistent. On initial testing of the submitted paddles, they either pass or fail. If they failed in one or more aspect, an approval should never have been issued by USAPA.
FYI- Joola "Contact us" isn't working????
I’m literally grieving rt now!!! I love the new paddles 😫😫😫
Matt wrights law firm file that lawsuit?
UPA needs to loosen the leash, PB is new and fast growing so let technology evolve . Tennis was the same way, started with wooden racquets, and now have carbon composite wide body stuff that made the game much better.
1. We know that USA Pickleball buys and tests paddles in the field.
2. We know that there were Gen3 paddles with insane, shirt gripping, levels of grit.
What triggered Joola to inform USA Pickleball that they submitted the wrong paddles for testing. Field test results?
But my M2F has similar grit too and its not getting delisted. Also my M2F retains the grit much longer. My AB3 lost its stick to the shirt grit within 2 weeks
@@kamanhalimgrit isn't the major issue. It's the floating core paddles. Increasing spin tends to reduce forward velocity. That relates to the swingpath of the player being increasingly vertical to achieve the spin.
kinda ruins the whole market now people will be really hesitant to buy new tech paddles in fear of ban after buy
Not really these by joolas own description had a trampoline effect. Sad thing is both parties knew before launch that is was an issue.
@@sd1660 Lots of new paddles have the trampoline effect, where's their ban? It can't be just about that. And USAP tested paddles with the trampoline effect and passed them.
Just avoid paddles that claim to be “the most powerful in the market”
@sd1660 Yes but do they actually trampoline though. Honestly it would be hard to get a paddle to work that way. This is a huge win for yoplait.
@@CoreTekPBI do like yogurt
I'm going to return my Joola and buy Hudef Viva Pro Gen 3.
Im sure some companies will sue if they are retrospectively going to ban 🙄
Yes, and they should.
so now is the c2 hyperion still worth getting right now
Dong is playing a smart game. He has USAP by the legal stones. He's gonna make them tell him exactly how much power he has to shed to be at the power limit. I'm sure Dong knows how to make the same paddle slightly less powerful. He probably has a demo that would pass. USAP owes him an almost immediate recertification. Dong cranks up the machines and in a month he has the best paddle on the market and it's mo money, mo money for Dong.
I sure hope it plays out like that.
"5. Allow equipment manufacturers to innovate, as long as such innovation does not overwhelm or outpace the average player’s ability to keep up with the speed and difficulty of the sport. Equipment-related rule changes should be given particularly close scrutiny because of their precedent-setting potential." Average Player?
Props to Joola for doing the right thing!
Anyone know exactly how we can get a refund?
Contact whoever you bought it from.
I still see people playing their gen 3 in open play. Do you guys say something. It may be the only paddle they have. Interested in peoples thoughts.
Most who still play with them aren't that good. They can't unlock that extra power. A few places have now banned them in open play.
I wonder when it will be labeled the Foola Paddle Controversy.
What is the “normal range?” Of what? What was the test? What specifically didn’t pass? How come there’s no detail published anywhere just anecdotes without specifics? In baseball when a USA or USSSA bat is delisted there are specifics, like, the trampoline effect exceeds the accepted limits so the bat is banned.
I agree with you totally! It doesn't matter the usapa is not qualified to come up with this stuff. There's so much knowledge in manufacturers and good brands that if this was done openly it could be a good thing.
What needs to be discussed are mathematical proofs which will lay down during the element introduction. The consequences of them no one seems to realize.
Why are we dancing around the glaringly obvious issue with these paddles? You've play tested them, found out how hot & crunchy they get, and have had confirmation of their physical issues from colleagues and other players. I feel like this discussion has been swept under the rug to focus on the Joola vs USAP he said she said and politics around testing. I work in a retail store and knew well before the de-listing that these would, or at least should, get banned or recalled. Let's report honestly on this situation and not forget about that. Certified or not, these paddles were problematic from the start and this needs to stay at the front of the conversation to keep Joola honest.
Must be the “charged carbon surface” and “reactive honeycomb polymer” that blew the Joola out of USAP specs
Reactive to me sounds like it floats
Chris, Joola won't give the money back, only a credit for future purchases 😊
Joola's statement indicates otherwise.
I got my money back
Lucky you guys! They promised me a $1k credit
Plain and Simple forget about Joola Paddles!!!!!! They are 100 s of other paddles to choose.
Players want that free power
UPA wants a bunch of money from JOOLA to get them re-certified. Because JOOLA said they would refund, doesn't mean they will refund. We'll see.
Does anyone actually know what is the issue? This whole story seems a bit off or even sound a political power play between the regulatory organizations and the paddle manufacturers. The lack of information on USAP statement just make me question their capability in handling the growth of the sport.
If it failed the test, what failed? Is it the face texture, is some aspect of the core? Would be nice to have a bit more transparency there, so we can actually believe they are doing they diligence right. The fact the paddle was listed, now is de-listed, just place a lot of uncertainty on this entire process.
Sounds like the exit velocity of the paddle is too high.
There is no reason gearbox would be banned, that’s just ridiculous. So they’re going to offer refunds to every single person who has been using it for months now?
It should be banned. On court, the power level is significant and noticeable. Just like EVA core, floating core paddles should not be allowed in sanctioned play.
What do we have: three sanctioning bodies for pickleball in the USA? Seems like USAP is in possible danger of being litigated out of existence for blocking the entrepreneurial spirit of a number of companies, Joola being the largest and wealthiest. Could be eventually lose USAP to litigation costs and legal judgements? I would have thought they (USAP) would have tread more cautiously, than poking possibly the biggest equipment brand in the eye with a sharp stick. I am having a lot of fun with my Gen3 14mm Anna Bright Scorpeus, just as I have with the original (which I still own). The new one doesn't seem excessively powerful or even fundamentally different in rec play -- just a better iteration of the prior model. Crazy sh*t going down -- got to wonder who or what benefits most by Joola's discomfort. Personally, I decline to poke Germans in the eye! :)
"blocking the entrepreneurial spirit of a number of companies, Joola being the largest and wealthiest" - are you for real? What about Sellkirk, how come they have no problems? And how come you (and others) had no problems when they banned CRBN? And how about companies like Babolat, Head - big names from other sports as well as Joola?
Im keeping mine, I have something that cannot be purchased any longer and that has value!
First of all they can still be purchased. Secondly your gen 3 Joola paddle will never ever be worth more than you paid for it. Sorry chief.
I bought one and I am keeping it because eventually their won’t be any available for purchase. You actually don’t even know that “CHIEF”. If I get the Gen3 signed by Ben John’s you’re going to tell me it won’t be worth anything? Lol Even seasoned OG players told me to just hold on to it for novelty sakes. I’m all about hanging up on the wall in the man cave. Big deal.
@@X85283Joola also removed them for sale! You can’t buy them. Going to super valuable soon on eBay.
@@robertoorganico6975 the “seasoned OG players” said “novelty sake” you realize that means they are saying it won’t be worth more, but would be neat to keep around. No, a Ben Johns signature doesn’t mean shit lol.
If you bought from Joola contact them. If you bought at a retail place or online contact them. Joola is reimbursing you.
Joola just take the L. You tried to legally make a delaminated paddle and failed. You’re just embarrassing yourself at this point
If this is how you feel, redirect this energy at Gearbox and Coretek and the Vatic Pro Oni. There are still lots of Gen 3 paddles that remain certified.
USAP change the ball specs or actually provide companies with actual Min- Max Specs to work with instead of vague "Average Player" shit. At this point USAP is in the wrong and have gone about it the wrong way.
Joola shady as hell for this and USAP got caught off guard by Joola pulling this stunt.
Question which paddles are the Pros are going to use. Pros like Ben, Simone, Ana , Tyson ? Please let us know. Thanks
They'll just have to resort to last year's gen2 paddles - Hell, Ben never even switched to a Gen3 Perseus, his was just painted with the Gen3 cosmetic - you can clearly tell how his sounds the pitch is higher, Gen3's have that low hollow thud.
Ben never used the Gen 3 in competition he uses a Gen 2 paddle to look like a Gen 3, the others used the Alpha Gen 3 paddles they used before the new Gen 3 launch.
@@level27xrockhave to think what has it done to Bens' creditability. Having people think he is using the Gen3. To me it does not sit well.
@@stevenkraslen6649 I know this is PB and not tennis, but Nadal has used his original racquet from the beginning and was known to have just painted over it to look like the newest model. Other tennis pros have done the same by having it customed weighted (internal weight, not just added weight to the racquet like we do with lead tape). It doesn't affect their credibility. Just something to know about and people find ways to tell ie shape, size, other specifics.
@stevenkraslen6649 I think it will have zero effect on his credibility. He wasn't going around doing interviews or posting how much he loves his new Gen 3. As the other comment mentions, it's a fairly common practice that the equipment used at the highest pro players are not the off the shelf ones available to the public.
In fact I think it helps it IMO. The fact that he didn't use a Gen 3 proves that it's about the player and not the paddle.
Hear me out .... i feel like a rebel playing with my Gen 3 now .... 💪
But .... i feel that if Gen 3 is outlawed .... the Gearbox should be casted out also ....
As long as you are in control and not taking cheap body shots. They are dangerous to be across the net from. I know quite a few players that I would not play with if a gen 3 was on their hands.
The biggest issue with Ronbus's statement is that they were proud it would be "the most powerful paddle on the market". Pickleball is going to be ruined if companies' entire goals from here on out is more and more power. It's only a matter of time when a pro gets an eye injury, it's going to suck majorly and that paddle company will have majorly bad PR if they had previously touted how amazingly powerful the paddle was and then it resulted in a permanent injury
Deal Joola Users, You've waited long enough. It's time to COME TO SELKIRK!
Selkirk is a mess. They are overpriced and make awful decisions with their tech like putting painted on grit onto a $275 paddle.
@@TheeHandle Why you hatin'?
This is stupid. You either get better and learn how to win against bangers or or not. The skill level will raise with harder hitting paddles. Instead maybe they could of moved the kitchen to 8 or 9 feet and keep the paddles.
This is the best commercial promotion for joola🎉
Joola is only offering refunds for people who bought after April 16, 2024? That's some b.s.
Why is that BS? The paddles weren't even available before April 16th haha.
@@PickleballStudio Yes, another person wanting to post so badly that they bother not to check on the facts first.
Enough with the POWER Is it called Pickleball or SMASH BALL 🤡
All this crying and whining is going to ruin this sport more than anything. I am having way more fun playing with gen 3 paddles. I don't see them hitting way faster than gen 2. If 2-3 miles faster is to much for some of you, then train harder or work at it. Since i have been playing against and with gen 3 paddles, it seems all gen 2 ball speeds are much easier to handle. Just my observation.
And what is the difference between Joola Gen 3 and EVA foam paddles?
About 6-7mph faster for the eva.
Imo USAP is going to be the loser in all this. They are not being transparent and they look really bad apparently enforcing rules and tests that they have not announced and being vague about what tests are being failed. This new governing body by UPA is going gain power. Why is anybody going to want to listen to usap if they just do random shit without telling anybody in advance
Respect to USAP for saving pickleball game!
They need a rule that everyone uses the same paddle at tournaments. That’s it
Or 5 paddles you have to choose from considering people have preference with shape, weight, control vs power oriented
Zero chance
@@HHHPedigrees yes, 3-5 options to choose to level everyone
And who would decide which paddles those are?? The participants that normally play with such paddles would have a distinct advantage, no??? In the future, please post before you start binge drinking.
@@trumpisastump9382
It would obviously be announced months in advance. Similar to how world cup balls are
I actually hope these including gearbox get banned. I know a lot will disagree with me but when I started 2 years ago there was so much dinking and miss it.
If we took these gen3 paddles away people are STILL USED to drive drive drive speed up speed up speed up. The game will still be fast, and maybe even become faster solely because people will get better, and hit harder. I kind of would rather insane RPMs over high mph
You complain about the "speed up" cause by the new paddles, then claim that if they are banned, the pace of the game could become "...even faster". Look up the term "cognitive dissonance".
@@trumpisastump9382 don’t be toxic, before you get defensive or whatever point you’re trying to prove, take it with a grain of salt and try to understand what I’m talking about.
It's not about the speed or the power, it's about the trampoline effect, exactly the same reason why EVA foam is banned. Nobody can stop you from getting a power paddle, put weight on it and you get way more power, but the fell will be different.
I don't care, the paddles are great and I'll play with them anytime except for the tournaments, that is 90% of the time. This paddle generation is the only one which produces power from baseline and control at the kitchen. 99% of the other paddles are junk.
I think I’m gonna start bringing my EVA paddle to rec. if someone pulls out a Gen3, I’ll just pull out my EVA paddle. Neither are on the approved list so it’ll level the playing field.
How to admit you’re dookie at PB without saying you’re dookie at PB
lol can't tell if you are trolling or not. yikes.
I don’t care either, I’m going to bring and play with my tennis racket (except for tournaments).
Gen 3 haters
Grow up
Do you understand what means rules and obeying them?
I hear Joola may be filing a $45 million dollar lawsuit against the USAP. I hope so, this is long overdue!. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. Who is the third party tester, what is their company name, what are their qualifications, what is their track record, years in business, customer list, customer references, what scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, when compared to paddle prices, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your viewers.
Exactly. Let the players have a free choice of paddles and decide for themselves which suits their game. Too many babies afraid of a wiffle ball.
So the Pros were basically cheating all season?
Hate to say, but it would kind of explain Federico Staksrud meteoric rise to success this year. When Staks switched to a different paddle when it was banned from the Dallas PPA, he broke his streak of all singles finals made this year.
@@BlGSac i thought the same thing, but Fed still played with the alpha gen 3 in Dallas
@@bicyclethief He played it for the qualifiers on Wednesday, but he couldn't use the Alpha on Thursday when officially they were banned. Some people say that the paddle that said like Mod TK whatever that Lea notably used didn't have much grit and power was different, It was either the Pickleball Effect Podcast or maybe KOTC that I heard it from
@@BlGSac Fed playing with a gen 3 alpha against Haworth in the singles SF /watch?v=md0fHOk4g28
Why would there be a class action lawsuit against Joola? It should be against USAP if anything. Joola didn't decertify the paddles, USAP did. USAP is the one who somehow didn't notice they had the wrong paddles sent to them and certified something randomly.
Imagine JD Power handing out their car safety awards. Now imagine, Ford accidentally sending them a Toyota, and JD Power tests that Toyota, sees its great for safety, and then hands a bunch of safety awards to Ford. That would be egregious negligence for JD Power.
Same thing happened here. The governing body in charge of testing tested some other paddle, and then rubber stamped the Gen 3s? Huh? That's insanely negligent. And then they let them go to market, and then pulled the cert after a month? All of this is on USAP.
How would USAP know Joola submitted the wrong paddles originally? This is 100% squarely on Joola, whether this was a negligent act or a purposeful one.
@@pickleballinwithdave Because the Gen 3s are clearly marked. And either way, USAP is the governing body. They literally have to know.
Like I said, imagine a company like JD Power giving car safety awards. What you're asking is like asking, "how would JD Power know what car they are testing?". And the answer would be... uhh, look at the logo? Look at the name? If the car says Kia Forte, then they're safety testing a Kia Forte.
Same thing here. If Engage sends USAP an Engage Pursuit Pro, the way USAP knows it's an Engage Pursuit Pro is because it says Engage Pursuit Pro on it. The way they'd know it's a Gen 3 would be because the Gen 3s says Joola Gen 3, Propulsion Core on them.
If USAP is ever at a point where they are handing out a certification to a paddle when they literally don't even know what paddle they are testing, then what would be their purpose as a company? Their cert would mean nothing if you couldn't have the confidence that USAP knows which paddle is which when they are doing testing and certification.
If you're the governing body of a sport, and you are blindly certifying gear you didn't even test because you don't know what you're testing and what you're not, then you're an amateur outfit and completely negligent.
Your interpretation is wrong - Ford send a pre production model with a 2.0 engine, 4 cylinders, 200 horse power, get the certification and then starts making and selling the same car but with a 1.5 engine, 3 cylinders, 150 horse power. When questioned they say "oups, John sent you the wrong car" and when they send the production model in doesn't get certified. How who's fault is it?
@@notnotnownow9622 you’re making a false comparison. The paddles that were tested then and the paddles that were released to the general public were functionally identical. The only differences were cosmetic: a colored edge guard, and the addition of branding graphics on the face of the paddle.
The reason it failed upon retest is that the initial test was done using the deflection method, whereas the retest was done with the coefficient of restitution method. A large number of paddles currently on the market would fail the new CoR test.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 Can you tell me where did you found the information with exactly what was the initial problem and what was the human mistake from Joola's side? I never heard about a real explanation and especially about cosmetic, who would care if you change the cosmetic when the performance is the same?
Sub sequently. Lol. Jk
Noticed that too. Never heard it pronounced that way lol
My wife texted me after this video to make fun of me for that too. 😂
@@PickleballStudio lol all good ... and love the quick and informative update. Btw, just ordered like my 4th paddle from your reviews
Yawn. I'll keep using the paddles in recreational play.
I'll be sure to use my chain serve if I ever play you in rec
@@folz17 Bring it on man. No idea what that means, but I'm sure it would be interesting to play against. I welcome the challenge my guy
@@dackerman123 it's an illegal serve, just like your paddle
And I will bring my tennis racket, what can be wrong with it?