Zoe was a very ambitious journalist. She mentioned crossing “ethical lines” with Frank. But was too naive to realize personal danger. Her death was shocking. Even I as the viewer, underestimated his ruthlessness.
She was nothing, really. If she wasn't a young woman, she would have made no difference at all. All she had was that Frank was sexually interested in her. Anyone else could have done her job outside of that - which is why Frank ended her. Replaceable, simple as that. She obviously overestimated herself.
@@alialjabr7251 I'm from England so I guess I am not the target audience for your prejudiced remarks about America. For future reference brackets are used to supply supplementary information about a sentence. If you removed the clause between them, the sentence should still be functional. "This is the most death I've ever seen". Does this sentence makes sense in the context you are describing ?
@@mattbower4763 the clauses are meant to draw more attention to nothing personal, just business, as these words often heard in movies and TV shows when someone betray a friend. Perhaps I used the wrong punctuation mark, other than that, the sentence is grammatically correct and if I use it in speaking rather than writing it will remain correct. That being said, I would still be making some grammatical mistakes as other English native speakers do. English grammar is complicated and inconsistent and sometimes doesn’t make sense. As for my prejudice against US , I don’t have prejudice against US or any other country, but I am sick of people demanding others to speak English and when they do they start to pick mistakes or let it go depending on the username.
By the end of S1, her subconscious took over, realising the lines Frank was crossing. It went from Frank & Zoe vs. them to Frank vs. Zoe then she went toe to toe with him. And look how that turned out.
The acting was so good. This scene was actually ad lib. He was supposed to walk away, but literally killed her at the last second, causing the actress to die in real life. Good stuff.
I doubt very seriously if the scene was ad libed. It's one thing to throw out an unscripted line or two during a shoot, but that scene where the reporter was thrown in front of the metro required resetting camera angles, lighting, focus, lens adjustments, etc. from the scene where the two characters are surreptitiously conversing. That requires planning, which is the very antithesis of an ad lib.
She doesn't hear the threat in his voice and keeps digging her grave deeper, then she says she left no clues and told no one. By three minutes into the scene, she has signed her own death warrant.
Except for her arc on Entourage where she was E's assistant at the management firm. Sean Bean also never died as the lead in the Sharpe saga (Sharpe's Rifles)
It’s crazy because he just goes on living like it was nothing. Everything was meticulously planned, and he was prepared to kill anyone if it became useful to his goals. A true monster.
@@greenmidget180 except over 30 men came out accusing him of various levels of sexual assault. I would buy the innocent thing maybe if he was accused by one or two people but 30+? At some point where there is smoke there is fire.
The fact that she was facing the train in that millisecond before it hit her makes it more chilling for me. Like she's looking into the face of death and can't stop it.
It's chilling bc Frank had the thought to turn her around so it looked like she jumped bc if she had fallen backwards it would have been obvious that she was pushed.
@@Sdority905 it was obvious she got pushed anyway. The driver would see her look of terror just before impact, the cameras would see her clearly taking to someone even if they can’t see who it was and the cameras would see her weird angle of “jumping” and decide she didn’t jump
those calm conversations and perfect timing of the kill shot shows exactly how much more ruthless, thorough, and meticulous we expected Frank actually was.
He does give her about thirty chances to shut up and go free and, for a journalist, she does a really terrible job of listening to him and reading between the lines
Very well said. I still can’t believe she was so ignorant of danger aswell. I mean even on a basic level as a young attractive girl she must have SOME sense of self-preservation
@@mifrahussain1997 No way. In fact, i was surprised that Zoe lived for so long with how she was pestering Underwood for answers to dangerous questions. The only thing that surprised me was how obvious Frank made her death and that he was dumb enough to actually kill her himself. The way she felt no danger despite being next to a railway line was just ridiculous. if she wouldn’t have followed Underwood round the corner as the train was coming what would he have done? Also when does somebody scream in terror when they want to kill themselves? Also did the cameras not see Zoe clearly talking to someone before she “jumped” Along with Russo’s death, this murder was too simplified, it would have caused more questions to be asked not less.
Many people mention how her death felt totally unexpected. I agree, it was. I would say partially because it seems this wasn't the original plan - apparently if she didn't start asking questions, Frank wouldn't go that far. At least to me. And we supposed he will hatch some long winded plan to deal with her. Instead, he just got rid of her there and then.
Yeah it seemed to me like... she is asking questions, not letting thing go, and getting on his nerves... He turns around and hears a train in the distance while she is following him and being obnoxious to him. At that point like he decided "i might as well end this now" on an impulse.
Whoever directed this scene is a genius. For the viewer, the drums signal the building tension Zoe has for this meeting. We feel her anxiety. For the random bystanders the dude’s just a street performer. It feels natural and works perfectly
The faint screeches of the train when their relationship seems to be coming to an end is also a great touch. Its foreshadowing and metaphoric. Their relationship is coming to a screeching halt.
I would have seen it coming if this was the season finale. But this is Season 2 episode 1.... I'm usually good at predicting TV deaths, but this one shocked me
Naw come on man. She was asking dangerous questions AND she wasn’t even fucking him anymore. I knew she was dead. Frank was on damage limitation procedures as soon as they had that fight about how Zoe sees Frank as sick and creepy. As soon as she asked him about Russo’s death I knew she was dead
That is what really impressed me about this show; it did not follow the typical tv show structure. Such as introducing all of the new characters in the first episode of the season. This show would introduce them at any point in the season.
@@mariolisa2832I thought she was golden until she said she thought she was apart of someone’s murder, when Frank walked away I just thought he was trying to play it off likes she’s crazy, I thought he was kept walking away the first time I watched, then bam
Kate Mara is just fantastic in this scene. If you see it as many times as I did, you can notice how Zoe isn't even aware of what is happening a second before Frank throws her off the platform. The only thing that makes me believe she understood she was being killed, even if just for a quick moment, was her short and powerless scream.
@@josearagaojr.3016the fact that she was so clueless was jarring to watch for me. I mean at this point she was almost certain that Frank was a murderer but she never felt in any danger? So dumb
This scene was the most frightening moment in the show for me and in my opinion in most modern media as well. It was too real, getting away with murder from power abuse, tying loose ends and it happened so quickly. This made the other reporters feel like they were next.
I saw it coming. I actually thought Frank would kill her earlier when Zoe met Rachel, I knew she had to die because she was asking dangerous questions. What gets me is that Zoe was so oblivious to the danger she was in…
This is the most shocking death I’ve ever seen in a tv show or movie. And it’s not because of their prior relationship or even how she died, it’s just this show did such a good job at making everything feel real. Hell, real life politicians have quoted that this show is about 90% accurate. So when Frank did do it, and got away with it, it felt real. Such an incredible moment in television.
Nah it feel contrived. It was shocking but for Zoe to be so smart yet clueless got me. She was acting like a teenager, she was a young woman yes but how could she not read the danger?
@@mariolisa2832 she did read the danger, at the beginning of the scene when she looked back at the crowd (safety) then chose to go speak to Francis (danger) plus I don’t think she thought he would ever kill her himself.
Come on really? You see how ruthless Frank was. As soon as their relationship fell apart I knew Frank was gonna kill her. There was nothing more to really tell with her story.
@@andreylyutikov8348 it was so obvious that Zoe was gonna get killed eventually. I mean if it was so easy to kill Russo, a fricking congressman, then Zoe, a random reporter could be taken out so easily too. What pissed me off was how clueless Zoe was
i think this is one of the few times a show has made me yell "Holy Sh*t!" out of complete surprise. It's a shame they went so far off the rails in the later seasons, but it's hard not to appreciate how surprising the show was.
He’s the first Person I have ever seen that doesn’t have to say “I almost got away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids” ... The criminals in Scooby Doo could really learn a thing or two from this.
To be absolutely, 100% fair to Frank… his timing was absolutely impeccable. If I tried doing that I would’ve definitely pushed Zoe too early and she would’ve just crawled out of the pit.
@@MyPrideFlag I don't think he planned to kill her that way, maybe he realized he could do it after she started following him. Maybe I'm just insane tho xD
I remember seeing this for the first time, it was such a shocking, but good moment because up to that point the viewers thought that Frank is a ruthless man but nobody thought that he would physically get his own hands dirty…
@@leonardobraynen1524 like I said, the dog was wounded, the scene wasn't pure murder, it could be interpreted as the most ruthless form of mercy, ending the dogs pain. Russo's death wasn't nearly as abrupt and violent as Zoe's, Zoe was forcefully pushed in front of a train, Russo fell asleep in a car with the engine on in a garage, it just didn't seem as dirty of a death/murder as Zoe's, that's what I meant, also you obviously have a good point...
I can remember how my jaw dropped when I first saw this scene in this final episode of Season 1. Underwood shoving Barnes onto the tracks and in front of an oncoming train was NOT what I expected.
Ive never enjoyed a characters death so much. She blissfully let herself to be fed to wolves. Her character development is one of my favorites and the how and why she died was so well written into the show.
I agree she fed herself to the wolves. What pissed me off a bit was how clueless she was. How did she not see the danger she was in? Why did she not leave a fail safe with Lucas where if something happened to her it would get released? Also Frank took a HUGE risk by killing her himself. How the cameras never caught anything is ridiculous. Zoe was clearly meeting and talking to someone. No one would believe she jumped in real life.
Honestly, I walk past car accidents like that while everyone else is gawking. I someone's on the scene? OK, my presence is not required. Not my fault, not my concern.
@@immortaljanus But you know at least it's a car accident so you move on..thats not abnormal. Every human screaming in a subway, looking, and running, etc. is rational . Not even turning your head see what the issue is is irrational and suspicious. fyi...that is one of the ways they identified the suspects in the Boston tragedy.
I see this and am always surprised that we don't have some sort of automatic barriers/guardrails in the "modern" subway systems. Imagine if a barrier was automatically raised to prevent falls when trains were not present or fully stopped. It's kind of odd that we don't have such a system in place now, isn't it. Oh, and this scene was a bit of a shock when I saw it years ago.
You could wear a bubble suit, or require everyone to be leashed until the train arrives, or mandate lower speed limits for subway trains…peoples desire to mitigate all risk in life down to the smallest percentage baffles me.
@@carsinruin6102 You're an idiot. People have fallen, tripped, and been pushed onto subway rails more often than you think. A man in Germany pushed his wife and their child onto the tracks of the ICE just a few years ago. Barriers really do need to be added.
Kevin Spacey actually ad libbed this scene - throwing that lady in front of the train wasn’t in the script but the directors loved it so much they decided to leave it in.
@@cooperschlickau4062 Damn! I knew Fincher didn't direct all the episodes but I always felt like he directed this one with the shot style and cinematography.
In the UK version Urquhart throws the reporter off the roof of the House of Commons, which just goes to show the difference between British and American sensibilities.
This scene was like Holy S*it. He commits another betrayal and murder. The monologue at the end made him one of my favourite characters. He shares his secrets with us and that somehow keeps us interested in him.
As a career IT professional with considerable forensics experience, I can assure all of you that no digital data/information is EVER deleted. A good forensics analyst will look at the cell phone's user activity logs and if there was some kind of suspicious activity, like a record deletion, that occurred around the time of an incident, the analyst would reach out to the telco carrier or ISP for the phone's archival backups. One more thing....as a life-long resident and observer of the DC scene, I can also attest with complete confidence that NO journalist ever has any "ethical lines"...only unbridled ambition.
Are peoples phones routinely checked though? In the case of an apparent suicide? Just curious how much investigation is done in such cases as tv/movies make it seem like police just call it a day and head home if there's an apparent suicide.
@@SebAnders Definitely not. Police in big cities barely have time to look into cases where they know for a fact someone was murdered. That guy has been watching too much CSI
@@CabbageYe Uh, I'm assuming you mean me, in which case I would point out that "that guy" participated in somewhere in the area of over two hundred IT-related forensic examinations during the course of an IT career that spanned 30 years and has testified or been deposed as a SME/witness in some two dozen criminal trials, grand jury hearings, civil lawsuits, depositions and other assorted legal/judicial proceedings. Also, I'm not sure how you got from my statement that no digital data/info is ever deleted to "that guy has been watching too much CSI", but in response to Sebastian's question, the fact of the matter is, yes, one of the first things any self-respecting police department will try to do, regardless of workload, when investigating an apparent suicide (take note that an apparent suicide is any death for which the evidence, or lack thereof, while seemingly suggestive of suicide, precludes a coroner's or medical examiner's actual determination as such) or otherwise suspicious death is locate and review the subject's cell phone and user activity, if only to perform a perfunctory review of recent text messages, phone calls, etc. insofar as suicides frequently leave a digital trail, such as text messages, browsing history, calls to suicide prevention hotlines, psychiatrists, mental healthcare providers, etc., that reflect intent, which can help clear up any ambiguities, confusion or uncertainty. So, based on my experience and in my considered opinion, yes, cell phones are, as a general rule, routinely checked, even if only cursorily, by the investigating officer(s) in cases where death is anything other than an open-and-shut, no-doubts-about it, he-said-he-was-going-to-do-it-and-damn-if-he-didn't suicide. This would also include apparent suicides and suspicious deaths. Furthermore, and back to my original point, regardless of whether I watch too much CSI or not (actually, I've never watched a single episode), the data is STILL out there, if not on the actual device itself, then on an intermediary's device, like an ISP's archival data back-up server, e-mail server, router log files, etc., should a third-party with a vested interest (i.e., criminal investigators, family, beneficiaries, trustees, business associates, insurance companies, etc.) want to dig deeper and further than that to which the local constabulary may be inclined.
@@CaesarInVa how many of your investigations resulted in charges being filed or convictions? Investigating is one thing. Actually catching the perpetrator is another.
noo. hahah why though? she was doing what hs wthought was right. i hate frank underwood in this show tbh. the only guy with no boundaries.he killed both peter and zoe for personal gain
In the original series when he throws her off the roof, the look on her face was probably the best acting in the whole series. I haven't seen it in probably ten years but I can still picture that shock and terror on her face.
British Francis Urquhart is ruthless. Frank Underwood is basically a joke in front of him. That series is flawless. 12 episodes and completion of the Arc. This HoC shitshow drags forever
Ha, yeah, except the worst thing about that whole show was the frequent flashbacks in later episodes with her screaming 'Daddy!' Great show, but that was a little bit too much I thought :P
She was dumb as fuck. How she never understood the danger she was in is beyond me. Zoe was supposed to be smart. She is literally accusing a high ranking politician of murder while having no way to protect herself. Worse she follows Frank round the corner near the tracks RIGHT as a train was coming. Maybe she DID want to die, she certainly did everything to make it easier for Frank
He is Zog's Great-Great-Great Grandfather "I'll tell you what I do like though: a killer, a dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold blooded, clean, methodical and thorough"
She's trying to show her power in front of Frank. That she can enter his private space without hesitation; and that she is basically on the same level with Claire. It shows how high she thinks of herself, which is completely wrong, as proven by this scene. Plus, Frank did nothing when she was entering his room which gives her false sense of security. Zoe thinks Frank needs her, but she's absolutely wrong.
@@chellya2004 well explained but Zoe was so dumb for a smart girl. How she worked out Frank killed Russo but didn’t see any danger for herself is just ridiculous.
Back then, i had a jump scare when i've watched this scene. Since then, i'm gratuated from a movie school, and i can tell that there are several cinematic clues from the beginning to the end of the scene, indicating that Zoe Barnes's death is imminent. The most obvious being, of course, Kevin Spacey dressed exactly like John Doe in Seven.
everything Frank needed to do to kill Zoey he accomplished by the end of the second episode, first meet in a museum, classy to buy legitimacy, second time in a dark location where they have to find each other, and the third time at a subway where frank establishes comfortable touch contact. Then in the episode she dies, they meet in a park, he taps her on the chin, then in the next meeting, they are in a dark location by a subway where they need to find each other (Zoey think ingthe shadows were there to protect the both of them) and then when the train came, he backed away knowing she would follow him (always shoving her foot through the door" and then because he established positive contact it took her a second to process what he was doing, a second to long.
Just restore the just-deleted contact and message from the storage media and it would be an easy investigation, in chance the handphone is not that badly damaged by train
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Zoe was a very ambitious journalist. She mentioned crossing “ethical lines” with Frank. But was too naive to realize personal danger. Her death was shocking. Even I as the viewer, underestimated his ruthlessness.
She was nothing, really. If she wasn't a young woman, she would have made no difference at all. All she had was that Frank was sexually interested in her. Anyone else could have done her job outside of that - which is why Frank ended her. Replaceable, simple as that. She obviously overestimated herself.
@@markofcain2324 only he is gay...
That was her fault
@@Noamalmoggg He's bi.
@@SolBin-b4m agree her fault. He asked her to stop sniffing around and mind her own business but she wouldn't listen to or read between the lines.
This is the most *nothing personal, just business* death I’ve ever seen.
Bad grammar
@@mattbower4763 I speak 3 languages, how many languages do you speak besides “American” ?
@@alialjabr7251 the language you are failing to use correctly is English 😂. I hope you are better at the other 2
@@alialjabr7251 I'm from England so I guess I am not the target audience for your prejudiced remarks about America. For future reference brackets are used to supply supplementary information about a sentence. If you removed the clause between them, the sentence should still be functional.
"This is the most death I've ever seen". Does this sentence makes sense in the context you are describing ?
@@mattbower4763 the clauses are meant to draw more attention to nothing personal, just business, as these words often heard in movies and TV shows when someone betray a friend. Perhaps I used the wrong punctuation mark, other than that, the sentence is grammatically correct and if I use it in speaking rather than writing it will remain correct. That being said, I would still be making some grammatical mistakes as other English native speakers do. English grammar is complicated and inconsistent and sometimes doesn’t make sense.
As for my prejudice against US , I don’t have prejudice against US or any other country, but I am sick of people demanding others to speak English and when they do they start to pick mistakes or let it go depending on the username.
Not only did Zoe cross ethical lines, this time she also crossed the metro's yellow line
Mike Negga
This comment reminds me of Anthony Jeselnik's tweet about the Boston Marathon bombing.
MIND THE GAP
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
By the end of S1, her subconscious took over, realising the lines Frank was crossing. It went from Frank & Zoe vs. them to Frank vs. Zoe then she went toe to toe with him. And look how that turned out.
The acting was so good. This scene was actually ad lib. He was supposed to walk away, but literally killed her at the last second, causing the actress to die in real life. Good stuff.
Incredible
Yep, Kate Mara has been missing ever since.
@@messybestie-d7i I wax wondering what happen to her. Wow
I doubt very seriously if the scene was ad libed. It's one thing to throw out an unscripted line or two during a shoot, but that scene where the reporter was thrown in front of the metro required resetting camera angles, lighting, focus, lens adjustments, etc. from the scene where the two characters are surreptitiously conversing. That requires planning, which is the very antithesis of an ad lib.
@@CaesarInVa Please tell me you're joking
"Good work 47. Now head towards an exit."
😂😂😂😂
“The money has been wired to your account.”
Haha nice reference. Nailed the mission in One Go!
@@robtothejuicewhen a billionaire has sociopath tendencies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 all these medications can't fix anything
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She doesn't hear the threat in his voice and keeps digging her grave deeper, then she says she left no clues and told no one. By three minutes into the scene, she has signed her own death warrant.
He made up his mind ten minutes ago.
As soon as she said the M word, he was like "Yup, she's gotta go."
he made her delete all messages and contactt info.. didnt even have to put his prints on the phone
@@Saiyanprince1114 she was smart but clearly not street smart
@@sidekick36
Except he doesn’t watch her delete or verify, he’s taking a chance that she did it without knowing.
That’s why they need fences for the metro. Every time I was waiting for the train I always make sure no one is behind me
They have them in Barcelona (or Madrid?) IIRC. Glass walls, double doors, that open along with the subway doors which line up.
This is the Baltimore metro btw
South Korea has them
They have them in some London Underground stations in the UK
 Everywhere in Copenhagen.
Zoe Barnes: Was I part of someone's murder?
Frank Underwood: Yeah. In fact, you're the one being murdered.
👁️👄👁️
She fucked up when she continued to press him.She should've just left the russo case when frank yold her
Frank was gonna spill her no matter what. Not trying to sound evil lol but Zoe was the perfect candidate no one cares about her
Checkmate
@@dionruffin3996And she was replaceable. Frank could find somebody else to do his dirty work.
Frank be like "you're gonna miss your train"
Yeet
This made me laugh
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Zoe was so dumb and predictable in this scene that she actually deserved to die…
Sometimes. You need someone. To put you back on track.
The train definitely didn't miss her
Kate Mara (Zoe Barnes) is the female Sean Bean. Every movie/show I see her in, I know it's a matter of time before she dies.
Shooter
She needs her sharpe moment
Martian
Except for her arc on Entourage where she was E's assistant at the management firm. Sean Bean also never died as the lead in the Sharpe saga (Sharpe's Rifles)
@@happypapi1903 now that's soldiering
It’s crazy because he just goes on living like it was nothing. Everything was meticulously planned, and he was prepared to kill anyone if it became useful to his goals. A true monster.
Fun fact: Spacey rehearsed for years to play a true monster
He is innocent.
@@HarryUpLate wonder how you feel about your comment now when he is free of charges
@@jupnik5318So you think at least 6 of his victims repeatedly dying back to back is a coincidence
@@greenmidget180 except over 30 men came out accusing him of various levels of sexual assault. I would buy the innocent thing maybe if he was accused by one or two people but 30+? At some point where there is smoke there is fire.
As they say, "the highest reward for journalism is death"
Ah, irony, we meet yet again.
"Award"
Or indefinite imprisonment in a dictator ruled country. Same as death I guess.
Abu Akleh can attest😑
@@alexander1902”dictator” ruled country the “democracy” do the same thing
The fact that she was facing the train in that millisecond before it hit her makes it more chilling for me. Like she's looking into the face of death and can't stop it.
was also a smart point on franks side because its more likely to be labelled a suicide
You're right, I never thought about that.
@@deelafree3776 no. her hairs blinded her vision so.
It's chilling bc Frank had the thought to turn her around so it looked like she jumped bc if she had fallen backwards it would have been obvious that she was pushed.
@@Sdority905 it was obvious she got pushed anyway. The driver would see her look of terror just before impact, the cameras would see her clearly taking to someone even if they can’t see who it was and the cameras would see her weird angle of “jumping” and decide she didn’t jump
those calm conversations and perfect timing of the kill shot shows exactly how much more ruthless, thorough, and meticulous we expected Frank actually was.
He does give her about thirty chances to shut up and go free and, for a journalist, she does a really terrible job of listening to him and reading between the lines
I don't think he was ever going to let her go free. I think his plan was murder all along.
Very well said. I still can’t believe she was so ignorant of danger aswell. I mean even on a basic level as a young attractive girl she must have SOME sense of self-preservation
It was pretend, honest.
@@DonFelixGallardo She believed she was untouchable because of her "relationship" with Frank
She kept pushing didn't she?
This death is still the most shocking of any show I’ve seen I honestly thought she was gonna be a main character the whole series 😂
same here😂😂😂😂
British House of cards fans: Well we kinda know that from the start lol
Overrated.
@@mifrahussain1997 No way. In fact, i was surprised that Zoe lived for so long with how she was pestering Underwood for answers to dangerous questions. The only thing that surprised me was how obvious Frank made her death and that he was dumb enough to actually kill her himself.
The way she felt no danger despite being next to a railway line was just ridiculous. if she wouldn’t have followed Underwood round the corner as the train was coming what would he have done? Also when does somebody scream in terror when they want to kill themselves? Also did the cameras not see Zoe clearly talking to someone before she “jumped”
Along with Russo’s death, this murder was too simplified, it would have caused more questions to be asked not less.
I guess you never watched The Wire
Many people mention how her death felt totally unexpected. I agree, it was. I would say partially because it seems this wasn't the original plan - apparently if she didn't start asking questions, Frank wouldn't go that far. At least to me.
And we supposed he will hatch some long winded plan to deal with her. Instead, he just got rid of her there and then.
Remember earlier when frank was being told about cows being calmer when slaughter without knowing it was coming
It wasn't plan A but he did have it as a failsafe. She chose her fate
Yeah it seemed to me like... she is asking questions, not letting thing go, and getting on his nerves... He turns around and hears a train in the distance while she is following him and being obnoxious to him. At that point like he decided "i might as well end this now" on an impulse.
“Finish your thought”
I think the moment he realized she was willing to speak these thoughts aloud to anyone, he knew she had to go.
Yep. She pushed and got pushed.
Whoever directed this scene is a genius. For the viewer, the drums signal the building tension Zoe has for this meeting. We feel her anxiety. For the random bystanders the dude’s just a street performer. It feels natural and works perfectly
And we’ll just pretend there are no cameras in the subway. And no way for police to pull her phone records
The faint screeches of the train when their relationship seems to be coming to an end is also a great touch. Its foreshadowing and metaphoric. Their relationship is coming to a screeching halt.
House of Cards s1 and s2 is a masterpiece like many other of David Finchers works!
You're all overanalyzing/overthinking it.
@@adammustafa3330 i work in professional theatre; directors and actors absolutely analyze and think at this level.
I would have seen it coming if this was the season finale. But this is Season 2 episode 1.... I'm usually good at predicting TV deaths, but this one shocked me
Naw come on man. She was asking dangerous questions AND she wasn’t even fucking him anymore. I knew she was dead. Frank was on damage limitation procedures as soon as they had that fight about how Zoe sees Frank as sick and creepy. As soon as she asked him about Russo’s death I knew she was dead
That is what really impressed me about this show; it did not follow the typical tv show structure. Such as introducing all of the new characters in the first episode of the season. This show would introduce them at any point in the season.
@@mariolisa2832I thought she was golden until she said she thought she was apart of someone’s murder, when Frank walked away I just thought he was trying to play it off likes she’s crazy, I thought he was kept walking away the first time I watched, then bam
Kate Mara is just fantastic in this scene.
If you see it as many times as I did, you can notice how Zoe isn't even aware of what is happening a second before Frank throws her off the platform.
The only thing that makes me believe she understood she was being killed, even if just for a quick moment, was her short and powerless scream.
Fantastic? I think you mean fan4stic.
@@dumcrasydog1019 i think she'd rather be pushed towards the train again
@@josearagaojr.3016the fact that she was so clueless was jarring to watch for me. I mean at this point she was almost certain that Frank was a murderer but she never felt in any danger? So dumb
@@DonFelixGallardo too much pride. Or maybe ego? But I agree, dumb as hell.
@@DonFelixGallardothat’s….a pretty good point actually.
I remember watching that for the first time. It was late at night and I was laying in bed. Almost nodding off and then BOOM.
😂 Woke that ASS RIGHT UP TOO huh?
Bruh I was talking to someone and then saw this out the corner of my eye and stopped mid-sentence like "what the FK"
Same happened with me in Breaking Bad when I was on that scene with Gus Fring and his box cutter (If you know, you know)
I walked into the kitchen to put a dirty bowl in the sink at the precise moment she got pushed and ran back to rewind like "FUCK FUCK FUCK WHAT"
This scene was the most frightening moment in the show for me and in my opinion in most modern media as well. It was too real, getting away with murder from power abuse, tying loose ends and it happened so quickly. This made the other reporters feel like they were next.
I’m pretty sure no one saw that coming. Especially Zoe.
Or the train driver...
@@bjornpagenkemper6622 he would have, but only very briefly...
Yeah Zoe knew because she had read her lines.
I saw it coming. I actually thought Frank would kill her earlier when Zoe met Rachel, I knew she had to die because she was asking dangerous questions. What gets me is that Zoe was so oblivious to the danger she was in…
Lol at people who didn't watch the og show
"Because that's how good we are, at making people disappear."
Frank Underwood
*and Kevin Spacey
commas how do they work?
@@stephen3762 He used them correctly as per the way Underwood spoke the line
I live in Washington DC and ngl everytime Im at the metro Im utterly terrified since this scene
Don’t be a journalist then! 😂😂
@@ahmedalsaedi7334 Sadly, I am :/
@@rashaalaqeedi4925 Interesting! If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from originally?
قولي والله🤦🏾♂️🤷🏽♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're too anxious. If God wants you to die, there a billion reason for ... Stop being a pussy
This is the most shocking death I’ve ever seen in a tv show or movie. And it’s not because of their prior relationship or even how she died, it’s just this show did such a good job at making everything feel real. Hell, real life politicians have quoted that this show is about 90% accurate. So when Frank did do it, and got away with it, it felt real. Such an incredible moment in television.
Kevin has practice in real life hahah
Nah it feel contrived. It was shocking but for Zoe to be so smart yet clueless got me. She was acting like a teenager, she was a young woman yes but how could she not read the danger?
@@mariolisa2832 she did read the danger, at the beginning of the scene when she looked back at the crowd (safety) then chose to go speak to Francis (danger) plus I don’t think she thought he would ever kill her himself.
The Wire has more shocking deaths
Kate’s in NCIS would be mine
when she says "those were my choices and i can live with them" the next sound you hear is the train
How she couldn’t wait a few moments for the loud and scary train to pass before dumbly following Frank is beyond me. Could she not sense the danger?
The fact a lot of subways and train stations dont have guard rails to keep this from happening is beyond me .
When I watched 1st season I thought he wouldn't be able to kill Zoe, in 5th season I just was wondering which ones were gonna be murdered by Frank...
Come on really? You see how ruthless Frank was. As soon as their relationship fell apart I knew Frank was gonna kill her. There was nothing more to really tell with her story.
Every season after 2 was trash.
3 and 4 was good I think. Then it went downhill
One of the greatest "I never saw it coming" moments on TV.
Wasn't it obvious?😂
Frank walking away from the scene like the literal incognito mode symbol
I think even the actress herself didn't see that coming 😄
I heard that she was hired with the knowledge that her character will be killed. She had to keep it secret
@@andreylyutikov8348
Nah she knows about Kevin spacey's personal life
@@andreylyutikov8348 it was so obvious that Zoe was gonna get killed eventually. I mean if it was so easy to kill Russo, a fricking congressman, then Zoe, a random reporter could be taken out so easily too. What pissed me off was how clueless Zoe was
She was killed by Francis in the UK version too, so no big surprise
you see the setting of the meeting and instantly go “oh, he’s gonna push her”
i think this is one of the few times a show has made me yell "Holy Sh*t!" out of complete surprise. It's a shame they went so far off the rails in the later seasons, but it's hard not to appreciate how surprising the show was.
The last thing that went through Zoe’s mind was that train.
💀💀
@@baron9676 I see Zoe has joined the comment section
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 Zoe and Peter.
Jesus
*walks away
He’s the first Person I have ever seen that doesn’t have to say “I almost got away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids” ... The criminals in Scooby Doo could really learn a thing or two from this.
This scene is okay on its own but watching the plot finally culminate in this moment was incredible.
To be absolutely, 100% fair to Frank… his timing was absolutely impeccable. If I tried doing that I would’ve definitely pushed Zoe too early and she would’ve just crawled out of the pit.
Thats a weird take on this scene.
@@nejtack3823 lmao right?
or too late and she just bumps into the train
I had the same thought.
What if she didn't turn around and walked there PRECISELY at that moment.
Stupid murder plan.
@@MyPrideFlag I don't think he planned to kill her that way, maybe he realized he could do it after she started following him. Maybe I'm just insane tho xD
The way he lured her over, shoved her, and just walks away while bystanders gawk….. it feels straight out of a Hitman game.
Like Keyser Soze
"I will hurt you, and discard you."
4:01 excellent work 47, now get to the extraction point.
"accidental" kill +25
no witnesses +25
silent assassin +25
Frank did nothing wrong. He simply helped her move forward
Just a little push in the right direction
@@alexanderds9574 She was just getting ahead of the game... or in this case, the train.
@@tomasaguirre1764 this was her last stop
Helped her get her life on track
@@MK-fm3ln trained her for this moment
Well, that's gonna leave a mark.
Nah.. little pressure washing, maybe some scrubbing... Subway will be good as new
@@DeathbySkullfxxx same applies for the train
@@DeathbySkullfxxx 😂
…it’ll “buff” out…
Yep, that’s gonna sting
First time seeing this I audibly screamed from the sheer shock of this moment. Did not see this coming.
This death was more shocking to me then just about any death in all of GoT, BB, The Sopranos, you name it.
So cold
Well you could argue that she was as much the main character of the show as Frank up until that point.
When I saw this my jaw literally dropped. That has never happened in any other show and I’ve seen many
She was no more useful for him, and started to ask many questions. All his plans are at risk because of naive reporter, not gonna happen.
More shocking than Hank’s death? I have to disagree. Although I will say this one was quite surprising
@@downfromthereeefters only because in this case I really wasn't expecting it
I remember seeing this for the first time, it was such a shocking, but good moment because up to that point the viewers thought that Frank is a ruthless man but nobody thought that he would physically get his own hands dirty…
didnt he kill a dog with his own hands in the pilot lol ?
@@gioro98 he did, but ending a wounded dog’s suffering isn’t quiet comparable with murdering a human being, is it?
Yeh he murdered the dog lettin us know from jump he is a heartless murderer. Did Peter Russo himself- why is this so shocking
@@leonardobraynen1524 like I said, the dog was wounded, the scene wasn't pure murder, it could be interpreted as the most ruthless form of mercy, ending the dogs pain.
Russo's death wasn't nearly as abrupt and violent as Zoe's, Zoe was forcefully pushed in front of a train, Russo fell asleep in a car with the engine on in a garage, it just didn't seem as dirty of a death/murder as Zoe's, that's what I meant, also you obviously have a good point...
@@natusMCMII ok i see yoir point now. Good observation
We need more security on the subway. Everytime I'm near the railway, I check if Kevin Spacey is behind me.
This is the exact moment Francis Underwood became John Doe. This brings the chills down my spine.
Seven reference!
Vince Gilligan you genius
I can remember how my jaw dropped when I first saw this scene in this final episode of Season 1. Underwood shoving Barnes onto the tracks and in front of an oncoming train was NOT what I expected.
It’s the first episode of Season 2
The DC Subway never got around to installing those CCTV cameras
Ive never enjoyed a characters death so much. She blissfully let herself to be fed to wolves. Her character development is one of my favorites and the how and why she died was so well written into the show.
Seek professional help. Soon.
I agree she fed herself to the wolves. What pissed me off a bit was how clueless she was. How did she not see the danger she was in? Why did she not leave a fail safe with Lucas where if something happened to her it would get released? Also Frank took a HUGE risk by killing her himself. How the cameras never caught anything is ridiculous. Zoe was clearly meeting and talking to someone. No one would believe she jumped in real life.
@@davidlawrence3106 quit being weird and get over yourself dave
@@davidlawrence3106 hey look, we got a real Sigmund Freud over here!
@@davidlawrence3106 dude the guy is discussing the plot. You are the one who needs help
4:02 "There. No more questions."
Beware the guy walking calmly like nothing happened in the midst of a chaos.
That's who you have to look out for.
Honestly, I walk past car accidents like that while everyone else is gawking. I someone's on the scene? OK, my presence is not required. Not my fault, not my concern.
@@immortaljanus But you know at least it's a car accident so you move on..thats not abnormal. Every human screaming in a subway, looking, and running, etc. is rational . Not even turning your head see what the issue is is irrational and suspicious. fyi...that is one of the ways they identified the suspects in the Boston tragedy.
This is when Frank truly became House of Cards
"I haven't discussed it with anyone", and she signed her death sentence.
She look like anna kendrick/beca mitchell from pitch perfect
Have always thought this
i think she looks like Carlson Young
I always found Kate Mara resembling Katharine Ross a lot. Kate has that 1960s look, beautiful and feminine.
i love how the noise of the trains in the unseen tunnels sounds like a choir over the drumming. genius
I see this and am always surprised that we don't have some sort of automatic barriers/guardrails in the "modern" subway systems. Imagine if a barrier was automatically raised to prevent falls when trains were not present or fully stopped. It's kind of odd that we don't have such a system in place now, isn't it.
Oh, and this scene was a bit of a shock when I saw it years ago.
You could wear a bubble suit, or require everyone to be leashed until the train arrives, or mandate lower speed limits for subway trains…peoples desire to mitigate all risk in life down to the smallest percentage baffles me.
Most stations in Hong Kong have those
@@carsinruin6102 Guard rails...
Why didn't the Death Star gunners have guard rails?
They do in London. It’s clear doors
@@carsinruin6102 You're an idiot. People have fallen, tripped, and been pushed onto subway rails more often than you think. A man in Germany pushed his wife and their child onto the tracks of the ICE just a few years ago. Barriers really do need to be added.
I can't believe Frank would be able to get to or get out of that corner of the subway without being photographed by all the cameras in the system.
I can believe those cameras weren't on
suspension of sanity.
In the original British version, he throws her off the roof of the House of Commons and then walks away. This is quite plausible by comparison.
Those cameras are shit and everyone knows it, that's why he's wearing a hat and chose that spot.
Yeah I’m actuality he never would get away with this.
Kevin Spacey actually ad libbed this scene - throwing that lady in front of the train wasn’t in the script but the directors loved it so much they decided to leave it in.
Much like how all of spaceys accusers have been killed.
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@@danielpinto5714 no it's true
Turning her around and pushing her forward was genius.
so it would look like an accident or suicide
This was the riveting scene that made me watch the entire series. I was like 😳? Wow
Just watched this on RUclips I am now going to watch the series
Same. I’ll see yall on the other side
Young gal wanted to play in the big leagues, climbed up the food chain, but didn't know the rules of the game, so she got hunted.
She was smart so it pisses me off that she was so naive and clueless about Frank’s danger to her
Hunt or be hunted.
You have to give David Fincher credit for directing this scene so wonderfully. Any other director wouldn't have build up the suspense so well.
It was actually Carl Franklin (Devil in a Blue Dress, One False Move, One True Thing, Out of Time, Bless Me, Ultima) directed this episode
@@cooperschlickau4062 Damn! I knew Fincher didn't direct all the episodes but I always felt like he directed this one with the shot style and cinematography.
@@dantabooThe way Spacey wearing the coat remind me of his character in David Fincher's Seven
Every Subway system has Cameras and he would have drawn attention to himself by leaving as everyone else is going to see what happened.
In later season her chief editor actually went on to investigate the murder and found a camera footage that kinda blurry
That's why he chose that area that was away from others eyes. That fenced off area. And she walked into it like she would have a dark alley.
i remember falling asleep sometime at the last couple episodes of season 1 and waking up at this exact moment
In the UK version Urquhart throws the reporter off the roof of the House of Commons, which just goes to show the difference between British and American sensibilities.
This scene was like Holy S*it. He commits another betrayal and murder. The monologue at the end made him one of my favourite characters. He shares his secrets with us and that somehow keeps us interested in him.
on one side you have an amoral sociopath and on the other you have an actress playing a role
As a career IT professional with considerable forensics experience, I can assure all of you that no digital data/information is EVER deleted. A good forensics analyst will look at the cell phone's user activity logs and if there was some kind of suspicious activity, like a record deletion, that occurred around the time of an incident, the analyst would reach out to the telco carrier or ISP for the phone's archival backups. One more thing....as a life-long resident and observer of the DC scene, I can also attest with complete confidence that NO journalist ever has any "ethical lines"...only unbridled ambition.
Are peoples phones routinely checked though? In the case of an apparent suicide? Just curious how much investigation is done in such cases as tv/movies make it seem like police just call it a day and head home if there's an apparent suicide.
@@SebAnders Definitely not. Police in big cities barely have time to look into cases where they know for a fact someone was murdered. That guy has been watching too much CSI
@@CabbageYe Uh, I'm assuming you mean me, in which case I would point out that "that guy" participated in somewhere in the area of over two hundred IT-related forensic examinations during the course of an IT career that spanned 30 years and has testified or been deposed as a SME/witness in some two dozen criminal trials, grand jury hearings, civil lawsuits, depositions and other assorted legal/judicial proceedings. Also, I'm not sure how you got from my statement that no digital data/info is ever deleted to "that guy has been watching too much CSI", but in response to Sebastian's question, the fact of the matter is, yes, one of the first things any self-respecting police department will try to do, regardless of workload, when investigating an apparent suicide (take note that an apparent suicide is any death for which the evidence, or lack thereof, while seemingly suggestive of suicide, precludes a coroner's or medical examiner's actual determination as such) or otherwise suspicious death is locate and review the subject's cell phone and user activity, if only to perform a perfunctory review of recent text messages, phone calls, etc. insofar as suicides frequently leave a digital trail, such as text messages, browsing history, calls to suicide prevention hotlines, psychiatrists, mental healthcare providers, etc., that reflect intent, which can help clear up any ambiguities, confusion or uncertainty.
So, based on my experience and in my considered opinion, yes, cell phones are, as a general rule, routinely checked, even if only cursorily, by the investigating officer(s) in cases where death is anything other than an open-and-shut, no-doubts-about it, he-said-he-was-going-to-do-it-and-damn-if-he-didn't suicide. This would also include apparent suicides and suspicious deaths.
Furthermore, and back to my original point, regardless of whether I watch too much CSI or not (actually, I've never watched a single episode), the data is STILL out there, if not on the actual device itself, then on an intermediary's device, like an ISP's archival data back-up server, e-mail server, router log files, etc., should a third-party with a vested interest (i.e., criminal investigators, family, beneficiaries, trustees, business associates, insurance companies, etc.) want to dig deeper and further than that to which the local constabulary may be inclined.
What if phone was damaged?
@@CaesarInVa how many of your investigations resulted in charges being filed or convictions? Investigating is one thing. Actually catching the perpetrator is another.
This was the most shocked I've been during a TV series in as long as I can remember. God I loved this show.
If I saw a man emerge dressed in incognito mode I’d be suspicious
I’ll never forget how loud the gasp I let out after this was
I remember being completely shocked upon seeing her death. Shit was brutal.
I sensed she was going to die because the lead up to the scene goes for so long, so long on her, her entrance is a goodbye.
She was getting on my damn nerves. I was shocked by the way he killed but I was kinda ok with that
noo. hahah why though? she was doing what hs wthought was right. i hate frank underwood in this show tbh. the only guy with no boundaries.he killed both peter and zoe for personal gain
@@uzi6497 I don't like Frank either. She was just arrogant for my liking and I didn't like her character
@@uzi6497 she was basically biting the hand that fed her. Frank couldn't control her fully so he did what was "necessary."
@@uzi6497 Her over ambitiousness, self- righteousness, and complacency got herself killed.
I don't know you but I already like you , hahahaha !!
zoey was too impatient , she wanted a very quick rise of her career and lost her ( challenge)
The bucket drummer´s name is Manny, but i can´t find other videos
Zoe never understood how dangerous Frank really was.
This was clearly self defence.
In the original series when he throws her off the roof, the look on her face was probably the best acting in the whole series. I haven't seen it in probably ten years but I can still picture that shock and terror on her face.
British Francis Urquhart is ruthless. Frank Underwood is basically a joke in front of him. That series is flawless. 12 episodes and completion of the Arc. This HoC shitshow drags forever
Ha, yeah, except the worst thing about that whole show was the frequent flashbacks in later episodes with her screaming 'Daddy!' Great show, but that was a little bit too much I thought :P
"Daddy!"
DADDYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Chilling, the stuff BAFTAs are made of.
Westeros: This Frank Underwood is interesting...
Her death is more shocking than anyone else's at GoT, but I thought it was schecy to meet at the metro
Love the Sounddesign in the background
Zoe never had any idea what or who she was involve with. In her mind this was a simple affaire😂
She was dumb as fuck. How she never understood the danger she was in is beyond me. Zoe was supposed to be smart. She is literally accusing a high ranking politician of murder while having no way to protect herself. Worse she follows Frank round the corner near the tracks RIGHT as a train was coming. Maybe she DID want to die, she certainly did everything to make it easier for Frank
This is the moment Frank became Heisenberg
Frank was heisenberg from ep 1
this is the red wedding II for me
If you saw the original this was no surprise
Shocking beginning to the last truly great season of HoC.
He is Zog's Great-Great-Great Grandfather "I'll tell you what I do like though: a killer, a dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold blooded, clean, methodical and thorough"
I still don’t understand why Zoe when to Frank’s house and tried in Claire’s dress.
went* and to get back to claire for checking her closet in zoe's apartment, plus she wanted to try an expensive dress...
She's trying to show her power in front of Frank. That she can enter his private space without hesitation; and that she is basically on the same level with Claire. It shows how high she thinks of herself, which is completely wrong, as proven by this scene.
Plus, Frank did nothing when she was entering his room which gives her false sense of security. Zoe thinks Frank needs her, but she's absolutely wrong.
@@chellya2004 well explained but Zoe was so dumb for a smart girl. How she worked out Frank killed Russo but didn’t see any danger for herself is just ridiculous.
I didn't see the moment it happened coming, but as soon as Frank wanted to meet in the subway with the damaged camera I knew.
Police should ask the witnesses if they heard her scream. Suicides seldom scream. Then check all the surveillance cameras.
I never knew that the background drumming was from that busker. I always thought it was just a weird soundtrack choice.
I freakin love the drumming in this scene. I was totally jamming to it in the moment while watching...and then this had to happen
"Mr spacey I'm gonna tell the press about that dinner party"
This happens routinely now on the New York subway.
She went on a mostly peaceful train ride.
Back then, i had a jump scare when i've watched this scene. Since then, i'm gratuated from a movie school, and i can tell that there are several cinematic clues from the beginning to the end of the scene, indicating that Zoe Barnes's death is imminent. The most obvious being, of course, Kevin Spacey dressed exactly like John Doe in Seven.
everything Frank needed to do to kill Zoey he accomplished by the end of the second episode, first meet in a museum, classy to buy legitimacy, second time in a dark location where they have to find each other, and the third time at a subway where frank establishes comfortable touch contact. Then in the episode she dies, they meet in a park, he taps her on the chin, then in the next meeting, they are in a dark location by a subway where they need to find each other (Zoey think ingthe shadows were there to protect the both of them) and then when the train came, he backed away knowing she would follow him (always shoving her foot through the door" and then because he established positive contact it took her a second to process what he was doing, a second to long.
her death wasn't a suprise in the UK, because with the show being a remake of the British original,we knew what was coming.
Kevin Spacey got insight for this scene from his friends in high politics.
Just restore the just-deleted contact and message from the storage media and it would be an easy investigation, in chance the handphone is not that badly damaged by train
He's too smart and calculating to take the risk of killing someone in public like this.
But he is also theatrical and biblical.