Fun fact: the Champion of Ravens stat block shows that he has +19 to stealth. If he was given Guidance and a Bardic Inspiration with PWT, he could roll a maximum of 65 on a stealth roll. 5e calls a DC 30 "Nearly impossible", and he'd over double it.
@@lucasmaloneywordsmith8661 You can go even higher than this if you do weird class stuff, I only spent like 20 minutes figuring this out but funnily enough, I think you'd only have 4 rogue levels. So 10 levels of ranger for Hide in Plain Sight (+10), 6 levels of warlock for Dark One's Luck (d10), and then 4 levels of rogue for expertise. You'd need to use ABI for your DEX to get to 20 and then use Manual of Quickness of Action 5 times (so you'd need 500 years, so just an older, ridiculously stealthy elf) to get your DEX to 30. So +10 from the ability score, +12 from expertise. So assuming you have friends who can give you Bardic Inspiration (d12), Guidance (d4), and you're a ranger so can cast PWT yourself (+10), it'd be a maximum of I think 88? I'm sure there's more items and/or class stuff I don't know about but still, this was fun.
If he still has reliable talent, and there's no reason to assume he doesn't, he has a minimum roll of 29 at that point. The "nearly impossible" rating actually just means "above average" if you have reliable talent and a +19 bonus😂
I head canon that Vax was such a natural at stealth that he learned to fidget because if he stopped moving or stood still for even a moment, he basically disappeared
I actually did this in an Acquisitions Inc campaign and was like “roll perception check” and we had a cleric or Druid who had an ABSURD level of perception like Caduses level of perception and I’m like “Off in a distance you see a bird man zooming shadow to shadow”
I got a 43 once. It's fun. Just melted through the shadows in the streets and was at our destination as if I were there the whole time since I'm a monk and fast af. But at higher levels my cap will be 49. Ioun Stone of Mastery ftw.
It's great huh? I managed a 41 or something as an invisible shadow monk. Though I would've completely bypassed the sequence the DM set up so I got found out almost immediately... Which was frustrating
i believe sam got a 42 in campaign 2 in ep 123 when they were hiding from the dragon, so the point of the story is rogues roll high as balls on stealth
isn't 47 also the highest possible roll to have? nat 20 + highest ability score modifier (without any spells or items that add to your ability score even above 20) + expertise + a spell adding +10 to the roll (i don't think any spell or class feature can give more than +10). so basically Liam scored a jackpot on campaign 1
Depends on context. If it's just you on the move by yourself without wacky items? Almost. 6 levels in Fiend Warlock gives you Dark One’s Own Luck which you can use to add a d10. So with that the max is 57 (maybe, barring other features I'm probably forgetting). If you're just hiding in one spot (10th level Ranger with hide in plain sight for a flat +10) and you've been given Guidance (d4) and max Bardic Inspiration (d12) then max Stealth check is 83. But at that point you're a 17th level multiclass (Ranger 10/Warlock 6/Rogue 1) who has designed a build exclusively for the purposes of a theoretical ultra giga stealth that's so overkill it's comical.
@@seeker38 holy shit, that is A LOT. imagine rolling 83 on stealth check, you basically vanish from existense and meet the creator of the universe himself, slow clapping and giving you a nod of respect lol
I can't decide whether I love or hate that the roll in this video's title isn't even the highest stealth role in the episode in which it occurred, let alone in this video
It sounded to me like either Marisha or Laura... but, I don't think it was Laura. Right after the gag, but camera cut back to her and she was smiling and had a lollipop; it is unlikely she would have regained that expression so quickly after the gag.
How do dms keep up with high rolls like this in long campaigns? Seems like it gets to a point where the bonuses are so high you might as well not even roll anymore
This only really occurred because Chetney has invested his Expertise from his Rogue levels into Stealth and because of the spell Pass without Trace which adds a flat +10 to Stealth rolls. Both of these are examples of features that break the generally more tightly bounded bonuses in 5e, but they still require investment and are specific to only certain skill checks. Generally rolls are not that consistently high in 5e. It is one of the major differences between 5e and other similar systems which indeed go crazy with higher bonuses and higher DCs as players level up. I am personally a big fan of bounded bonuses because it means DCs do not have to scale as much and as a result players who didn't heavily invest in a skill can still have a chance to succeed at something hard if they manage to roll well (instead of having no chance at success because even a 20 + bonuses wouldn't get them there) As a DM I just roll with it, they invested and specialized to be good at something so I let them be good at it. No character will be good at everything so there will be other challenges where they will be worse because of that specialization into one thing. Matt is letting them roll because he is looking out for Natural 1s, which he houserules to be automatic failures in most cases (likely to keep failure on the table with things like Pass without Trace).
as a rogue, if you do it right there is basically a point where the lowest you can get is a dirty 20 I believe, so yeah you really "don't" have to roll anymore but the addict in us to chase that nat 20 means we roll anyway.
Vax in the Orb: *stops screaming in pain* nice *continues his screaming*
THIS
Fun fact: the Champion of Ravens stat block shows that he has +19 to stealth. If he was given Guidance and a Bardic Inspiration with PWT, he could roll a maximum of 65 on a stealth roll. 5e calls a DC 30 "Nearly impossible", and he'd over double it.
@@lucasmaloneywordsmith8661 You can go even higher than this if you do weird class stuff, I only spent like 20 minutes figuring this out but funnily enough, I think you'd only have 4 rogue levels. So 10 levels of ranger for Hide in Plain Sight (+10), 6 levels of warlock for Dark One's Luck (d10), and then 4 levels of rogue for expertise. You'd need to use ABI for your DEX to get to 20 and then use Manual of Quickness of Action 5 times (so you'd need 500 years, so just an older, ridiculously stealthy elf) to get your DEX to 30. So +10 from the ability score, +12 from expertise. So assuming you have friends who can give you Bardic Inspiration (d12), Guidance (d4), and you're a ranger so can cast PWT yourself (+10), it'd be a maximum of I think 88? I'm sure there's more items and/or class stuff I don't know about but still, this was fun.
game recognises game
If he still has reliable talent, and there's no reason to assume he doesn't, he has a minimum roll of 29 at that point. The "nearly impossible" rating actually just means "above average" if you have reliable talent and a +19 bonus😂
"He appears in another game."
"You suddenly feel a high five from another campaign."
It all comes full circle baby
I adored this moment 😂
1:09 "He appears in another game."
I guess this is how he got to appear in Season 3.
he stealthed into the future
He ain't gonna be stealthing for a while since he is a big ball of glowing power.
Vax swoops in and high fives Chetney. Beautiful.
One time Liam rolled really high as Vax, but I loved Tal's comment "Your shoes don't even know you're there!"
I forgot that line tal always has banger quotebles
I head canon that Vax was such a natural at stealth that he learned to fidget because if he stopped moving or stood still for even a moment, he basically disappeared
Drax is impressed.
"You go back and watch previous episodes and Liam's not there"
Vax also got a 45 once in episode 88, basically vanished into the water
Scariest words in any RPG setting: "Where's the Rogue?"
as a Rogue main, I can confirm this lol.
Don’t forget Veth rolled a 42 for stealth in C2 during the second Gelidon encounter
My favorite description was something along the lines of: "you stealth so hard you start disappearing from old photographs"
From the Omen Archive: highest stealth of C3 so far, with the highest of C1 being Vaxleth tied (47) and C2 Veth (44)!
Vax rolled the 47 you mean?
Do they say which episodes those rolls were in?
47 of Keyleth or Vax?
@@rezatariq8737Well, Vax's Nat 20 was a 47... So, probably Vax.
I think Marisha did her math wrong because she doesn’t have the expertise for stealth meant to be more like 37
Very good work having included Vax's best rolls!
I actually did this in an Acquisitions Inc campaign and was like “roll perception check” and we had a cleric or Druid who had an ABSURD level of perception like Caduses level of perception and I’m like “Off in a distance you see a bird man zooming shadow to shadow”
At times like this, we could have used Crit Role Stats.
Omen archive has taken over their work!!
Not even the gods can see him!
Matt's face at 0:19
perfect for a shirt.
That's why we need Sam back !
"People you know and love begin to forget they ever knew you."
I got a 43 once. It's fun. Just melted through the shadows in the streets and was at our destination as if I were there the whole time since I'm a monk and fast af. But at higher levels my cap will be 49. Ioun Stone of Mastery ftw.
It's great huh? I managed a 41 or something as an invisible shadow monk. Though I would've completely bypassed the sequence the DM set up so I got found out almost immediately... Which was frustrating
@@Sonicsion damn. It wasn't explained away like disturbed ground or magic bullshit or anything like that?
@@elementual apparently they had a magical sense of smell that ignored PWT
Thank you for clipping this! I’ve been trying to find a clip of Liam’s 47.
excellent edit
i believe sam got a 42 in campaign 2 in ep 123 when they were hiding from the dragon, so the point of the story is rogues roll high as balls on stealth
0:56
Comment for myself: Vax’s highest stealth role in C1
Liam is playing PF2E with those rolls, damn
Anything above a 40.....you appear on the bridge of the enterprise as just a random crewperson.
Rogues doin' rogue things 😏
1:10 Liam pop's up in other episodes like the toastie guy in mortal kombat. 😂 and 0:25 'oh sh@t, we've left chetney behind'
"Rogues, man!" - MFMM 😶🌫🤯💨
Sam rolled a 43 as Nott thanks to PWT in episode 73 of campaign two so she’s up there with the stealthy boys
Nott got a 40 at some point
So did Browntooth, but that's Pathfinder.
a 40 stealth plus invisibility, I believe Matt said, "Not even the Gods can see her."
isn't 47 also the highest possible roll to have? nat 20 + highest ability score modifier (without any spells or items that add to your ability score even above 20) + expertise + a spell adding +10 to the roll (i don't think any spell or class feature can give more than +10). so basically Liam scored a jackpot on campaign 1
Depends on context. If it's just you on the move by yourself without wacky items? Almost. 6 levels in Fiend Warlock gives you Dark One’s Own Luck which you can use to add a d10. So with that the max is 57 (maybe, barring other features I'm probably forgetting). If you're just hiding in one spot (10th level Ranger with hide in plain sight for a flat +10) and you've been given Guidance (d4) and max Bardic Inspiration (d12) then max Stealth check is 83. But at that point you're a 17th level multiclass (Ranger 10/Warlock 6/Rogue 1) who has designed a build exclusively for the purposes of a theoretical ultra giga stealth that's so overkill it's comical.
@@seeker38 holy shit, that is A LOT. imagine rolling 83 on stealth check, you basically vanish from existense and meet the creator of the universe himself, slow clapping and giving you a nod of respect lol
@@OwocowyMr especially since I'm reasonably confident you can't get anywhere close to that number on a Perception or Investigation check.
@@seeker38Thanks for the build! Gotta try this somehow
@@Chronostra I wish you luck.
Vax and Chetney competing for highest stealth rolls like Legolas and Gimli.
I can't decide whether I love or hate that the roll in this video's title isn't even the highest stealth role in the episode in which it occurred, let alone in this video
its Matt's look at 00:19
Who gagged I can't tell?? 😆❤️ 0:17
I think marisha
It was laura
Laura for sure
It sounded to me like either Marisha or Laura... but, I don't think it was Laura. Right after the gag, but camera cut back to her and she was smiling and had a lollipop; it is unlikely she would have regained that expression so quickly after the gag.
@@SylviusTheMad she like gagged on the lollipop. It's pretty obvious when you watch the ep
Sorry, but Kiki did it first with a 47. And then Vax matched it later on.
Really? What episode was that?
@@pablix_ I believe it was Episode 47, ironically.
How do dms keep up with high rolls like this in long campaigns? Seems like it gets to a point where the bonuses are so high you might as well not even roll anymore
This only really occurred because Chetney has invested his Expertise from his Rogue levels into Stealth and because of the spell Pass without Trace which adds a flat +10 to Stealth rolls. Both of these are examples of features that break the generally more tightly bounded bonuses in 5e, but they still require investment and are specific to only certain skill checks. Generally rolls are not that consistently high in 5e. It is one of the major differences between 5e and other similar systems which indeed go crazy with higher bonuses and higher DCs as players level up. I am personally a big fan of bounded bonuses because it means DCs do not have to scale as much and as a result players who didn't heavily invest in a skill can still have a chance to succeed at something hard if they manage to roll well (instead of having no chance at success because even a 20 + bonuses wouldn't get them there)
As a DM I just roll with it, they invested and specialized to be good at something so I let them be good at it. No character will be good at everything so there will be other challenges where they will be worse because of that specialization into one thing. Matt is letting them roll because he is looking out for Natural 1s, which he houserules to be automatic failures in most cases (likely to keep failure on the table with things like Pass without Trace).
as a rogue, if you do it right there is basically a point where the lowest you can get is a dirty 20 I believe, so yeah you really "don't" have to roll anymore but the addict in us to chase that nat 20 means we roll anyway.
I think Chet has only one level in rogue.
true but he also has several magic items that make him more rougish
Expertise just needs 1 Level
It's a bad game design that such high rolls are completely irrelevant.
It's about as relevant as the DM's creativity can make it.