My classic size c is 21 years old and still looks as if it was only lightly used. It's incredible how it's stood the test of time. It's the best and most comfortable chair I've ever owned, period. No gaming chair or office ergonomic chair I've owned before it can even hold a candle to it.
The Classic is an amazing chair. We are surprised how well the mesh even holds up, just really needing to be cleaned. The Steelcase Leap chairs hold up very well too, but most of the time will need the upholstery to be replaced. -GK
This is a very thorough, clear and concise comparison. It's great! It helped me understand the difference between the Aeron my relative has (2013) and the one I was being sold this year. Just received my Aeron Remastered today! Thank you BTOD
This is an INCREDIBLY well made video...thorough, concise and detailed with great side-by-side examples, clearly showing the difference and the pros and cons. Kudos. Well done
I sat in an aeron classic, gesture and leap V2 and the aeron was the most immediately comfortable chair for me by far. that's just me though. I would strongly recommend going to high end pre-owned chair outlets and seeing if you can sit in these chairs before investing in one. what really makes the aeron stand out for me is the mesh cushion. it is so light and breathable. and when I stood up after sitting in the aeron my back literally felt better than before sitting in it. that is the best possible result for a chair - feeling better after sitting in it than before. but you will pay a premium.
I've had my Aeron for ~ 20 years now and have replaced almost every part in it over time from standard wear and tear. I wanted to offer a little insight into why I think the foam may have been removed from the front. About every 7-8 years I have to replace the seat pan because that foam breaks down and starts disintegrating making a constant mess falling on the floor, and it no longer performs its job. It looks like the redesign more than corrects this issue. I wonder if I can bolt the new pan onto the old frame, franken-chair, best of both worlds.... We shall see.
Classic is superior. the build quality of the newer ones are inferior compared to the classics due to HM lowering cost of production. Infinity tilt is unbeatable
I fall more into the B size category, but I found the C size helped a lot with easing the frame pressure on the thighs. B is a much tighter fit overall and probably better for shorter sessions, but I find C just perfect for heavy use(12h+). When I first saw the Aeron I never thought I'd actually buy one but it truly is a great chair, especially when combined with an Atlas headrest. Anyway thanks for the great videos BTOD 👍 A great production overall, but I want to give a quick shout-out to Ryan, I think he does a terrific presenter job. Your resources helped me settle on a used classic C-size Aeron as a starter. Should serve me a few more years. If HM releases a Cosm with at least a tilt-lock function, I may be interested in an upgrade 😁
@@Pens4Life85 There are many comparison charts out there with actual numbers (e.g on the BTOD Aeron review blog post), but C is a bit wider which allows different seating positions without feeling too much pressure from the frame. More space in all directions from the C size provides more flexibility, like for example when putting a thin blanket on the seat (as mesh will not provide the warmest seating experience). The same blanket on a B size would be even tighter and sacrifice comfort. I'm using the classic Aeron for over a year, 12+ hours a day now and am still as satisfied as I was on the first day. It's all personal preference though, so I recommend testing the chairs side-by-side to feel the difference. Had I bought one without testing, I would have probably gotten the B and would never have considered the C as no guide put me into that category.
Get the HAG CAPISCO PULSE. I have both and it is far better for posture and scapilar tendonitis issues. Aeron crippled my scaplar after 7 years of using it. It rests all the pressure on the scapular. That chair ruined my life.
The mesh on the remastered Aeron feels much stiffer and harder than the classic because it's almost wire-like. It took me over a year to get used to it. The mesh on the classic feels more plush as each threading is wider and feels more fabric-like.
I have a Remastered version and agree with you on that the mesh is harder than on the Classic one which I also had. After a year what is your opinion? Does the mesh got loosen a bit? thanks
@@nagychriss The thigh area in the front is still stiff but the center of it feels more cushy now after a year of sitting. Either that or I've gotten used to the firmness of it.
I agree on most stuff you talked about. But it needs to be included that you can't cross a leg which a lot of people do. Reason is the hard plastic on the side of your thighs wont allow it
@@coldblackice on both. I like to prop my foot on my other leg, but very hard to do with the plastic sides of the seat. They are made that way to keep your legs pointing straight
This is the BEST review for the Aeron all around the Universe. A truly professional, but not all those social media youngsters wanna be. Well done, pal! 👍
The 3 position tilt lock is almost a breaker for me. I really liked the customization of the classic. I wish I could tell if I'd like where the predetermined locks sit.
@@rafaelclp in the meantime I found an old classic that I replaced the arm rests and got a headrest. I'm loving it. The seat may be getting a little loose but I'm not touching the piston yet. Going to hold out as long as I can on that. Overall I'm under $500 so not too bad and it's been very comfortable.
Fantastic info and beautifully presented. My wife and I are considering purchasing 2 of these for our home office. She's 5' 3" and around 115 lbs - I'm 6' and about 170 lbs (77 kg). Ideally we'd buy identical - size B chairs. Fingers crossed we won't regret not purchasing a size B and A. In any case - many thanks for your excellent review and cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave
@@Pens4Life85 I believe the differences are mostly (or only) in the size of the seat itself? At least this was the distinction when I bought my Classic like 5 years ago.
At first I thought that BTOD had responded to the wrong comment. Then I realized that the color of the gaming Aeron literally is the ONLY difference lol
I know chair size is the biggest question people have as it can be a struggle to find a HM dealer to test out before purchasing. I am 6' and approx 175lbs and am not a "big" guy whatsoever, more on the lanky side of the spectrum. The size C chair fits me great. Based on the size chart from HM I fall more on the B size than C but I've tested both sizes out and the C is a much better fit. I still recommend you go and test out a chair before purchasing, but if you can't and you fall in between the B and C size, the size C MIGHT be the better option.
@@btodtv I will note that I do have fairly long legs and may contribute to why the size C chair fits me best. I have used the size B chair at my work and found that the side edges on the seat were digging into the sides of my legs. Again, please try to find a HM retailer to test out before purchasing. Everyone's bodies are different and what works for one person can be different for someone else. Great content BTOD!! Very informative and excellent demonstrations of how these chairs operate.
On plastic vs metal components: '...helps keep the cost of the chair down, makes it lighter, and is easier to recycle - those are some reasons HM use more plastic' ... Let me fix that for you: "increases HM's profit margin."
My classic is about 22 years old and working great. I did have to put in an aftermarket hydro lift and wheels but the chair itself is solid. The review is excellent. I will consider getting the remastered version for my other room.
there is no difference in the seat pan, back or design as far as "comfort" goes. the old chair vs the new chair sits the same. the main difference in the remastered version is; the pellicle mesh is a tighter weave. they claim it will reduce the mesh from shaving your clothes off. yes they did that. also to note, the chair is much more plastic and metal components were removed/swapped for plastic. the lumbar was changed slightly, the arms changed slightly. the price changed greatly. i repair these and buy them and work for a herman miller dealer.
There is certainly a difference in comfort due to the design change in the seat. The remastered did away with the front seat pad which many people find to be uncomfortable. They changed the angle at which the seat sits so that the remastered is easier to use in forward positions and they also changed the tilt to allow you to sit upright and not at a forced recline like the Classic. -RB
Was so confused when you were talking about the rocking differences. You kept saying "put my backrest on the back" but I think you meant "put my back on the backrest". Great great video though! So thorough and detailed. Thank you!
I am about to buy an aeron remastered, but i can only get it with fixed Posture fit. What is the main difference of the fixed posturefit vs posturefit SL and is it still worth it?
Would y’all please consider a “best mesh bottom” category? I’d like to find something that doesn’t hurt the legs and will last long without sagging but the aeron is considerably out of my budget
Can anyone tell me ... I have a classic, bought used, but it doesnt have a recline locking mechanism, which I find strange. I have just one toggle for the height, that's it. Did they make a version that never locks? Or is this something I should try to replace.
Herman miller really missed out important points why people loved about the classic model 1) Remastered only have 3 recline levels , Classic have 8 levels infinite tilt lock 2) Remastered cannot reduce to very low level like the classic which is basically very close to the floor 3) Remastered sliding depth armrest pads are useless , there's no point sliding them in and out 4) Remastered mesh material is not as comfortable as the classic mesh , which is soft and smooth. 5) Remastered base is plastic material, Classic was solid aluminium 6) Remastered lumbar support is nice but totally useless , Classic's lumbar pad you can switch sides , elevate to the needs of individual. Why i know, bcos i owned both. and i sold the remastered
Thanks for the feedback Ky! People definitely have their opinions on which Aeron version they like best but some of the things in your list I am going to have to disagree with. The Remastered has a larger seat height range than the Classic. It goes both higher and lower than the Classic. I think that most people would agree that more adjustable arms are better than less adjustable. I personally really like the depth adjustment because it allows me to get my chair closer to my keyboard. The mesh is the Pellicle mesh on both chairs. The way that the mesh is stretched is different but the softness and smoothness should be the same. I have not had a chance to use the new height adjustment system for the lumbar but I can say that the PostureFit SL on the Remastered is an upgrade to the old system so I think Herman Miller did a nice job there. The biggest difference to me is the way the chairs feel when you recline. Did you notice this difference? -RB
I agree with you. I sold remastered and keep classic. The size b classic can lower seat height to 15" but the remastered can only lower to 16". The mesh on remastered is very firm which is not comfortable comparing to classic.
not sure if I missed it or if it wasn't talked about, but are the replacement parts interchangeable and could I convert a classic into a remastered? I have a classic and the seat frame needs to be replaced because the screw socket has been stripped out of the plastic frame. and may also want to upgrade the mechanism as well
The Classic is generally best IMO. Better adjustment options… better lumbar support options… everything else is roughly the same… however it does take a lot of effort to adjust the tension on the classic but that also speaks to how adjustable it actually is.
The Classics tension isn’t more difficult to adjust because it is more adjustable. It is just an inferior system to the remastered, which is why it is more difficult to use. The remastered does the same task much more efficiently. -RB
Not being able to adjust the arms depth is a deal breaker for me, i can't stand those forward armrests of the classic. Can't get close to desk if the armrests are level with the table.
i bought a used 10yr old Aeron 2 yr back, now still in good condition. My best investment for a chair. My previous chair was a DXracer, last only over a year & it started to peel badly & the left armrest came loose, couldnt lock into height. Threw it away.
I have a Classic and a Remastered, actually, and I prefer the approach of the Classic with reclining. For background, I keep my Classic at the desk with my desktop where I spend most of my time, work, play games, video call, watch all my shows, and use all of it's many of the chairs features on daily basis, and the Remastered at the office desk where I tend to go with a laptop to eliminate distractions when I need to focus on writing something for work, where I keep the chair in the forward locked position (which is way better on that one, you're right about the cushion thing). You probably can see it coming, but not having the infinite lock really is a deal breaker for a chair I do that much stuff in. It's not just that either, this is probably more surprising, but I prefer the unbalanced lean. I don't think it was a design accident. If I'm letting it recline, why shouldn't it? Since I can lock it in any position, it reclines me, and it reclines to where I want it. Working the controls of this chair are like second nature to me now, too. Just balancing in place in a specific reclined position, it's fine, but it makes me feel restless. I need to feel more secure than that, for me it's more comfortable to be sitting on restricted (but not really, you can just turn them off and on again to readjust), locked, chair. The more I type it the more it sounds very particular to me, but, well I know lots of people like to tuck the blankets under their legs, right? It's similar to that. Preferring to have a physical limitation over freedom of movement gives more comfort sometimes. I'm a pretty restless guy, I got ADD too. One last thing though. I understand that the balanced/unbalanced lean is probably pretty subjective, but one thing I don't understand and seems like a pretty unambiguous downgrade is the locking positions. I think they thought because they have the balanced lean they don't need it, but I disagree. Who cares if it's an extra cost. It's a flagship chair.
Heh. Yeah. That crease up front is a leg number. I use a throw blanket on my seat which solved it. Also saves my pants from pellicle abrasion since I shift around a lot. Definitely prefer the floaty / locked feel of the classic especially when reading or simply relaxing. The new one feels more like a regular chair and doesn't feel like a cross between a task chair and a comfort chair like the classic does.
For those that have Aeron Classic, when you sit do you feel that you slip with the different fabric of your pants, shorts? this is a very big issue for me using this chair for home office.
Yes, it is actually easier to rock in the forward tilt position. When in the standard position it kinda wants to stay there. Leaning back takes no effort, unlike the classic sitting up straight also takes no effort.
Fantastic comparison, very complete. I have both, replaced my classic with the remastered after 15 years of all day every day use. I was initially disappointed with the more limited tilt lock. With the slight tilt forward standard position, the much more responsive tension adjustment, and the new pivot, I find it no problem to stay at any tilt I want. We still use the classic in other rooms, but for long hours working at the computer, the remastered is a huge improvement.
What do you think about the remastered mesh vs the classic? I've heard some people complain that the remastered isn't as comfortable and my guess is that this could be attributed to the mesh on classics being more broken in. But I'd be curious to hear what you have to say since you've had experience with both?
@@EldritchAugur Hard to say since as I said the seat mesh is pretty stretched out on the classic and has been for a few years. Going from memory, the new mesh probably feels a little more firm. Still comfortable long term. All the other improvements combined certainly far outweigh the differences in the mesh even if you preferred a bit more give.
Thank you - very thorough review - except for the one reason I watched: Forward tilt comparison. It's not just sitting upright as on the classic, there is a forward tilt lock which is why I bought the classic version. I am actually having a hard time finding a chair with forward tilt.
I seriously need some help, I've moved from a secretlab titan chair, I'm a soft dev and i sit down more than 8 hours a day. My back would still hurt with the Titan, so I thought I'd buy an aeron, but my back still hurts, (middle corners of my back) and I don't know why.
GREAT VIDEO! Do you think the remastered posturefit is better than the lumbar strap? Mostly i plan to stay in an upright/ slightly leaning forward position while gaming. I just ordered the posture fit version but now im worried the up and down lumbar strap might have been a better choice for me as i have kind of an S shaped indention on my spine and im thinking the lumbar strap would have been better to put there? Can the posture fit be adjusted to do the same thing as the lumbar strap?
Had the original for 12 years and it was still perfect. Bought the remastered one in 2017 and it's not holding up anywhere near as well, with the mesh disintegrating and needing replacement already.
Excellent Video !! I just recived my new Aeron Classic in Size C (which has been professionally restored by an official HM Dealer) and funny they put on the new Armrests of the Remastered (love the Pads). So I have a kind of Hybrid now :-D.....Even being 1.79m tall and around 90kg the size C was important to me - I have tried a Mirra 2 last winter and felt kind of "packed" and felt the frame on the sides with my legs when not sitting dead straight... after some homework I saw that the Mirra 2's size of the sitting area is near the Aeron B so I was after a Classic in C - and you are right - you can feel the area where the Pad support for the legs starts a bit but by now I don't feel disturbed by that :)
HM should add 2 more tilts to the Aeron Remastered at some point I could be alone on this opinion/suggestion but I think Herman Miller should make the Aeron more customizable via seat pan and backrest sizes being separate choices because of how different body proportions can be
This is a pure gold product, one design that can last for so long and the new version is so close to the original, incredible how this product was engineered
I want a chair that I can sit in for 8 hours a day, and has a head rest. I've been looking for used leather executive chairs that lawyers and judges use, those really nice ones with the chesterfield leather pattern. But now I am considering a Herman Miller re-mastered from your videos comparing it to Steecase. I thought Steelcase was going to be the most comfortable but your video changed my mind when compared. What do you recommend? And what is the best chair ever?
keep in mind there is a really good aftermarket headrest for aerons. I believe it's called the Atlas headrest. it's 180 dollars but great quality from what I've heard. They released a new one for the remastered aerons.
Best is to go to place where you can try all or some of the different types. Have you an office surplus warehouse near you? Might pick up a deal just as good as eBay, Gumtree craigslist. As you are try out all the functions first before buying rather seeing just pictures.
@@roythunderplump Good points. I want a pre-owned Remastered Aeron HM but will prob go to office supply rather than individual buyers on Craigslist. Want to ensure not a fake HM + that technicians know what they’re doing when preparing used ones for sale. Will see if there are any genuine”HM certified technicians”What do you think?
Does the change in pivot point change how the chair feels when leaning back? As in, does the remastered feel like it wants to raise your feet up off the floor more than the classic, or are they both exactly the same?
Bunch of videos of this chair and it’s garbage. I bought the remastered and returned it after two days due to the back pain it caused. I won’t even use it if I get it for free.
Incredible review. I just ordered a chair, I don't know if it was remastered or classic, I'm assuming it was the remastered. I hope it was the remastered because I prefer a more upright sitting. Great review thanks!!
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Your refurbished Herman Miller Aeron is a way too Over-Price compare to some other refurbished Home Office Solutions.
The amount of effort put in this comparison is just unreal! Bravo 👏
Thank you!! -GK
@@btodtv I concur. Well done!
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wtf, I didn't think this would actually be as detailed as it was - the best comparison ever. Extremely impressive
Glad we exceeded your expectations! -GK
Absolute best comparison I've seen, thanks for the video.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found it helpful -GK
16 years old for my classic and still the most comfortable chair.
My classic size c is 21 years old and still looks as if it was only lightly used. It's incredible how it's stood the test of time. It's the best and most comfortable chair I've ever owned, period. No gaming chair or office ergonomic chair I've owned before it can even hold a candle to it.
The Classic is an amazing chair. We are surprised how well the mesh even holds up, just really needing to be cleaned. The Steelcase Leap chairs hold up very well too, but most of the time will need the upholstery to be replaced. -GK
I have many HM chairs from the 50/60's. They are designed to outlive several generations.
Hey Peter,
I am also thinking of getting the Size C. I am 5'11".
How tall are you as you got the Size C?
yeah it keeps costs down to use plastic. that's why the remastered version is more expensive, lmao.
Yeah, inflation sucks... Can't expect them to keep prices the same after +20 yrs.
This is a very comprehensive review. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! -GK
bro if you're 300lb+, you don't need a chair, you need a fucking treadmill
No other video or article puts in as much detail while staying concise as this. Good on you guys. Really shows the professionalism and effort put in.
This is a very thorough, clear and concise comparison. It's great!
It helped me understand the difference between the Aeron my relative has (2013) and the one I was being sold this year.
Just received my Aeron Remastered today!
Thank you BTOD
This is an INCREDIBLY well made video...thorough, concise and detailed with great side-by-side examples, clearly showing the difference and the pros and cons. Kudos. Well done
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Very helpful for a prospective Aeron shoppers like myself. Glad I found this!
Me: *Searches Atlas head rests for to see some reviews.*
Also me: *Goes down a Herman Miller chair video rabbit hole for 6 of this guy's videos.*
I sat in an aeron classic, gesture and leap V2 and the aeron was the most immediately comfortable chair for me by far. that's just me though. I would strongly recommend going to high end pre-owned chair outlets and seeing if you can sit in these chairs before investing in one.
what really makes the aeron stand out for me is the mesh cushion. it is so light and breathable. and when I stood up after sitting in the aeron my back literally felt better than before sitting in it. that is the best possible result for a chair - feeling better after sitting in it than before. but you will pay a premium.
Yes
Wow, awesome review thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching! -GK
Why the hell didn't they call it the aeron 2. They did it for the Mirra. Stupid Herman Miller.
I've had my Aeron for ~ 20 years now and have replaced almost every part in it over time from standard wear and tear. I wanted to offer a little insight into why I think the foam may have been removed from the front. About every 7-8 years I have to replace the seat pan because that foam breaks down and starts disintegrating making a constant mess falling on the floor, and it no longer performs its job. It looks like the redesign more than corrects this issue. I wonder if I can bolt the new pan onto the old frame, franken-chair, best of both worlds.... We shall see.
You guys are doing some fantastic reviews. Best I've seen on these chairs.
Thank you! -GK
Just got my Remastered Aeron today. This video helped me making a good decision. Thank you!
Glad we could help! Enjoy -GK
@Martin H Are you happy with it? I'm searching for a good one for 10h seating a day
@@thomasmFR Yes, I am happy with it.
Metal is harder to recycle??
This is one of the best comparison videos I’ve watched on ANY subject, not just on an office chair!
Classic is superior. the build quality of the newer ones are inferior compared to the classics due to HM lowering cost of production. Infinity tilt is unbeatable
Especially the pad , I prefer to have seat pad
I wouldn't call the stapled in place armpads better quality but you do you.
I fall more into the B size category, but I found the C size helped a lot with easing the frame pressure on the thighs. B is a much tighter fit overall and probably better for shorter sessions, but I find C just perfect for heavy use(12h+). When I first saw the Aeron I never thought I'd actually buy one but it truly is a great chair, especially when combined with an Atlas headrest.
Anyway thanks for the great videos BTOD 👍 A great production overall, but I want to give a quick shout-out to Ryan, I think he does a terrific presenter job. Your resources helped me settle on a used classic C-size Aeron as a starter. Should serve me a few more years. If HM releases a Cosm with at least a tilt-lock function, I may be interested in an upgrade 😁
Thank you for the kind words. I'm happy we were able to help you find the right product :) -GK
@@Pens4Life85 There are many comparison charts out there with actual numbers (e.g on the BTOD Aeron review blog post), but C is a bit wider which allows different seating positions without feeling too much pressure from the frame. More space in all directions from the C size provides more flexibility, like for example when putting a thin blanket on the seat (as mesh will not provide the warmest seating experience). The same blanket on a B size would be even tighter and sacrifice comfort.
I'm using the classic Aeron for over a year, 12+ hours a day now and am still as satisfied as I was on the first day. It's all personal preference though, so I recommend testing the chairs side-by-side to feel the difference. Had I bought one without testing, I would have probably gotten the B and would never have considered the C as no guide put me into that category.
Get the HAG CAPISCO PULSE. I have both and it is far better for posture and scapilar tendonitis issues. Aeron crippled my scaplar after 7 years of using it. It rests all the pressure on the scapular. That chair ruined my life.
Your videos are so much more professional than your competition...on another level.....those subscribers will start coming..just got myself today lol
Wow, thank you! Appreciate you subscribing to our channel -GK
Brilliant comparison. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! -GK
for the classic chair couldnt you just LOCK the tilt if you REALLY need the upwards tight work position?
The mesh on the remastered Aeron feels much stiffer and harder than the classic because it's almost wire-like. It took me over a year to get used to it. The mesh on the classic feels more plush as each threading is wider and feels more fabric-like.
I have a Remastered version and agree with you on that the mesh is harder than on the Classic one which I also had. After a year what is your opinion? Does the mesh got loosen a bit? thanks
@@nagychriss The thigh area in the front is still stiff but the center of it feels more cushy now after a year of sitting. Either that or I've gotten used to the firmness of it.
@@username121709 Are you happy with it? Would you still recommand ?
Dude, I spent a whole year sitting my ass on a WOODEN chair without cushions. The mesh on the remastered Aeron is like a pillow to me lol
agreed. The pellicle on the remastered is more course and taut.
I agree on most stuff you talked about. But it needs to be included that you can't cross a leg which a lot of people do. Reason is the hard plastic on the side of your thighs wont allow it
You can't sit crosslegged on which: the remastered or the classic? Or both?
@@coldblackice on both. I like to prop my foot on my other leg, but very hard to do with the plastic sides of the seat. They are made that way to keep your legs pointing straight
I just bought a Classic version for $300 and I love it.
This is the BEST review for the Aeron all around the Universe. A truly professional, but not all those social media youngsters wanna be.
Well done, pal! 👍
Such a good and detailed comparison. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Really helps!!
Thank you! Glad we could help -GK
The 3 position tilt lock is almost a breaker for me. I really liked the customization of the classic. I wish I could tell if I'd like where the predetermined locks sit.
@@rafaelclp in the meantime I found an old classic that I replaced the arm rests and got a headrest. I'm loving it. The seat may be getting a little loose but I'm not touching the piston yet. Going to hold out as long as I can on that. Overall I'm under $500 so not too bad and it's been very comfortable.
Fantastic info and beautifully presented. My wife and I are considering purchasing 2 of these for our home office. She's 5' 3" and around 115 lbs - I'm 6' and about 170 lbs (77 kg). Ideally we'd buy identical - size B chairs. Fingers crossed we won't regret not purchasing a size B and A. In any case - many thanks for your excellent review and cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave
@@Pens4Life85 I believe the differences are mostly (or only) in the size of the seat itself? At least this was the distinction when I bought my Classic like 5 years ago.
Brilliant review!
What’s the difference between office aeron and gaming aeron?
Thanks!
The gaming Aeron is all black. -RB
At first I thought that BTOD had responded to the wrong comment. Then I realized that the color of the gaming Aeron literally is the ONLY difference lol
I know chair size is the biggest question people have as it can be a struggle to find a HM dealer to test out before purchasing. I am 6' and approx 175lbs and am not a "big" guy whatsoever, more on the lanky side of the spectrum. The size C chair fits me great. Based on the size chart from HM I fall more on the B size than C but I've tested both sizes out and the C is a much better fit. I still recommend you go and test out a chair before purchasing, but if you can't and you fall in between the B and C size, the size C MIGHT be the better option.
You are much closer to the size B and I believe that would be the best option -GK
@@btodtv I will note that I do have fairly long legs and may contribute to why the size C chair fits me best. I have used the size B chair at my work and found that the side edges on the seat were digging into the sides of my legs. Again, please try to find a HM retailer to test out before purchasing. Everyone's bodies are different and what works for one person can be different for someone else.
Great content BTOD!! Very informative and excellent demonstrations of how these chairs operate.
plastic is not as good. period. they do it to maximize profit. recycling? on a $1300 chair? no. this is a giant step down. HM on its way down.
Can I purchase the new version of the back lumbar to be used with a classic Aeron model?
On plastic vs metal components: '...helps keep the cost of the chair down, makes it lighter, and is easier to recycle - those are some reasons HM use more plastic' ...
Let me fix that for you: "increases HM's profit margin."
My classic is about 22 years old and working great. I did have to put in an aftermarket hydro lift and wheels but the chair itself is solid. The review is excellent.
I will consider getting the remastered version for my other room.
I had all types of generation 1 and 2 Aerons, always felt they weren't comfortable enough. But the "remastered"... just perfect!
there is no difference in the seat pan, back or design as far as "comfort" goes. the old chair vs the new chair sits the same. the main difference in the remastered version is; the pellicle mesh is a tighter weave. they claim it will reduce the mesh from shaving your clothes off. yes they did that. also to note, the chair is much more plastic and metal components were removed/swapped for plastic. the lumbar was changed slightly, the arms changed slightly. the price changed greatly. i repair these and buy them and work for a herman miller dealer.
There is certainly a difference in comfort due to the design change in the seat. The remastered did away with the front seat pad which many people find to be uncomfortable. They changed the angle at which the seat sits so that the remastered is easier to use in forward positions and they also changed the tilt to allow you to sit upright and not at a forced recline like the Classic. -RB
Was so confused when you were talking about the rocking differences. You kept saying "put my backrest on the back" but I think you meant "put my back on the backrest". Great great video though! So thorough and detailed. Thank you!
I am about to buy an aeron remastered, but i can only get it with fixed Posture fit. What is the main difference of the fixed posturefit vs posturefit SL and is it still worth it?
Would y’all please consider a “best mesh bottom” category? I’d like to find something that doesn’t hurt the legs and will last long without sagging but the aeron is considerably out of my budget
Can anyone tell me ... I have a classic, bought used, but it doesnt have a recline locking mechanism, which I find strange. I have just one toggle for the height, that's it. Did they make a version that never locks? Or is this something I should try to replace.
very comprehensive and in detail review, thanks.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching! -GK
Herman miller really missed out important points why people loved about the classic model
1) Remastered only have 3 recline levels , Classic have 8 levels infinite tilt lock
2) Remastered cannot reduce to very low level like the classic which is basically very close to the floor
3) Remastered sliding depth armrest pads are useless , there's no point sliding them in and out
4) Remastered mesh material is not as comfortable as the classic mesh , which is soft and smooth.
5) Remastered base is plastic material, Classic was solid aluminium
6) Remastered lumbar support is nice but totally useless , Classic's lumbar pad you can switch sides , elevate to the needs of individual.
Why i know, bcos i owned both. and i sold the remastered
Thanks for the feedback Ky! People definitely have their opinions on which Aeron version they like best but some of the things in your list I am going to have to disagree with. The Remastered has a larger seat height range than the Classic. It goes both higher and lower than the Classic. I think that most people would agree that more adjustable arms are better than less adjustable. I personally really like the depth adjustment because it allows me to get my chair closer to my keyboard. The mesh is the Pellicle mesh on both chairs. The way that the mesh is stretched is different but the softness and smoothness should be the same. I have not had a chance to use the new height adjustment system for the lumbar but I can say that the PostureFit SL on the Remastered is an upgrade to the old system so I think Herman Miller did a nice job there.
The biggest difference to me is the way the chairs feel when you recline. Did you notice this difference? -RB
The remastered chair has an option where you can lean slightly forward and lock the position so your back is supported. The Classic does not.
I agree with you. I sold remastered and keep classic. The size b classic can lower seat height to 15" but the remastered can only lower to 16". The mesh on remastered is very firm which is not comfortable comparing to classic.
not sure if I missed it or if it wasn't talked about, but are the replacement parts interchangeable and could I convert a classic into a remastered? I have a classic and the seat frame needs to be replaced because the screw socket has been stripped out of the plastic frame. and may also want to upgrade the mechanism as well
The Classic is generally best IMO. Better adjustment options… better lumbar support options… everything else is roughly the same… however it does take a lot of effort to adjust the tension on the classic but that also speaks to how adjustable it actually is.
The Classics tension isn’t more difficult to adjust because it is more adjustable. It is just an inferior system to the remastered, which is why it is more difficult to use. The remastered does the same task much more efficiently. -RB
Not being able to adjust the arms depth is a deal breaker for me, i can't stand those forward armrests of the classic. Can't get close to desk if the armrests are level with the table.
How high is the seat from the ground when the remastered is in it's lowest position?
i bought a used 10yr old Aeron 2 yr back, now still in good condition. My best investment for a chair. My previous chair was a DXracer, last only over a year & it started to peel badly & the left armrest came loose, couldnt lock into height. Threw it away.
The deal breaker for me which wasn't mentioned was the remaster breaks easier because they're made with plastic parts.
I have a Classic and a Remastered, actually, and I prefer the approach of the Classic with reclining.
For background, I keep my Classic at the desk with my desktop where I spend most of my time, work, play games, video call, watch all my shows, and use all of it's many of the chairs features on daily basis, and the Remastered at the office desk where I tend to go with a laptop to eliminate distractions when I need to focus on writing something for work, where I keep the chair in the forward locked position (which is way better on that one, you're right about the cushion thing).
You probably can see it coming, but not having the infinite lock really is a deal breaker for a chair I do that much stuff in. It's not just that either, this is probably more surprising, but I prefer the unbalanced lean. I don't think it was a design accident. If I'm letting it recline, why shouldn't it? Since I can lock it in any position, it reclines me, and it reclines to where I want it. Working the controls of this chair are like second nature to me now, too.
Just balancing in place in a specific reclined position, it's fine, but it makes me feel restless. I need to feel more secure than that, for me it's more comfortable to be sitting on restricted (but not really, you can just turn them off and on again to readjust), locked, chair. The more I type it the more it sounds very particular to me, but, well I know lots of people like to tuck the blankets under their legs, right? It's similar to that. Preferring to have a physical limitation over freedom of movement gives more comfort sometimes. I'm a pretty restless guy, I got ADD too.
One last thing though. I understand that the balanced/unbalanced lean is probably pretty subjective, but one thing I don't understand and seems like a pretty unambiguous downgrade is the locking positions. I think they thought because they have the balanced lean they don't need it, but I disagree. Who cares if it's an extra cost. It's a flagship chair.
Heh. Yeah. That crease up front is a leg number. I use a throw blanket on my seat which solved it. Also saves my pants from pellicle abrasion since I shift around a lot. Definitely prefer the floaty / locked feel of the classic especially when reading or simply relaxing. The new one feels more like a regular chair and doesn't feel like a cross between a task chair and a comfort chair like the classic does.
You guys rock! It's about time I find reviews that I tend to believe as genuine...
Thank you! -GK
Awesome review , but why are they so expensive
They are high end products. We believe they are some of the best office chairs built. -GK
For those that have Aeron Classic, when you sit do you feel that you slip with the different fabric of your pants, shorts? this is a very big issue for me using this chair for home office.
Remastered = costing cutting
How many versions are there for the Aeron? I’m in China and there are so many variations. Ranging from 800 to 1500 USD
Wow, thank you for all the information, very helpful to potential buyers. Greatly appreciated
without the front pad the veins in legs are pressed by that plastic frame = VERY BAD.
He put more effort into this comparison than I've ever put into anything
I watched the video two times, very detailed comparison of the two. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, twice! -TK
Can the chair rock in the forward tilt position? I like the forward tilt but I want to be able to rock as well.
Yes, it is actually easier to rock in the forward tilt position. When in the standard position it kinda wants to stay there. Leaning back takes no effort, unlike the classic sitting up straight also takes no effort.
Fantastic comparison, very complete. I have both, replaced my classic with the remastered after 15 years of all day every day use. I was initially disappointed with the more limited tilt lock. With the slight tilt forward standard position, the much more responsive tension adjustment, and the new pivot, I find it no problem to stay at any tilt I want. We still use the classic in other rooms, but for long hours working at the computer, the remastered is a huge improvement.
Nice! Any issues with your 15 year old classic since you originally purchased it? -GK
The seat mesh is a bit stretched and the pad has started to fall apart. Still more comfortable than any "affordable" chair I've tried.
What do you think about the remastered mesh vs the classic? I've heard some people complain that the remastered isn't as comfortable and my guess is that this could be attributed to the mesh on classics being more broken in. But I'd be curious to hear what you have to say since you've had experience with both?
@@EldritchAugur Hard to say since as I said the seat mesh is pretty stretched out on the classic and has been for a few years. Going from memory, the new mesh probably feels a little more firm. Still comfortable long term. All the other improvements combined certainly far outweigh the differences in the mesh even if you preferred a bit more give.
@@brianwitter3271 Thanks for the info. It's rare to find someone who has long term experience with both versions.
Thank you - very thorough review - except for the one reason I watched: Forward tilt comparison. It's not just sitting upright as on the classic, there is a forward tilt lock which is why I bought the classic version. I am actually having a hard time finding a chair with forward tilt.
Yes, I 100% could not use a chair without this forward-lock feature. It has saved my back.
Is there big difference between the 1 or 2 ( sacral and lumbar) support ?
I seriously need some help, I've moved from a secretlab titan chair, I'm a soft dev and i sit down more than 8 hours a day. My back would still hurt with the Titan, so I thought I'd buy an aeron, but my back still hurts, (middle corners of my back) and I don't know why.
I've had my classic for 13 years, bought it used for £150.
Great chair, I'll take the extra aluminium thanks.
Any difference in the tone or pitch or audible volume of farts?
is there a service to install a tilt forward/backward limiter on a used remastered aeron?
you could buy it separately
GREAT VIDEO! Do you think the remastered posturefit is better than the lumbar strap? Mostly i plan to stay in an upright/ slightly leaning forward position while gaming. I just ordered the posture fit version but now im worried the up and down lumbar strap might have been a better choice for me as i have kind of an S shaped indention on my spine and im thinking the lumbar strap would have been better to put there? Can the posture fit be adjusted to do the same thing as the lumbar strap?
So the classic Aeron was last manufactured in 2016 or 2015? I saw someone selling a bunch of 2014 classic Aeron chairs on FB for $425
Wow. Excellent job. Right to the point. The review matches the quality of the chairs!
i'm 6' 4" 220, with long legs what would you recommend in a chair with a longer seatpad & higher back thanks.
I don't mind the remastered being more plastic as long as there's spare parts available for everything. Fantastic review as well thank you.
Had the original for 12 years and it was still perfect. Bought the remastered one in 2017 and it's not holding up anywhere near as well, with the mesh disintegrating and needing replacement already.
Does this method of identifying Aeron's size (1-3 bumps under the logo) work with the remastered version?
Great review. Any idea why HM decided to do away with the infinite tilt lock on the remastered version?
How is plastic easier to recycle than aluminium?
Excellent Video !! I just recived my new Aeron Classic in Size C (which has been professionally restored by an official HM Dealer) and funny they put on the new Armrests of the Remastered (love the Pads). So I have a kind of Hybrid now :-D.....Even being 1.79m tall and around 90kg the size C was important to me - I have tried a Mirra 2 last winter and felt kind of "packed" and felt the frame on the sides with my legs when not sitting dead straight... after some homework I saw that the Mirra 2's size of the sitting area is near the Aeron B so I was after a Classic in C - and you are right - you can feel the area where the Pad support for the legs starts a bit but by now I don't feel disturbed by that :)
HM should add 2 more tilts to the Aeron Remastered at some point
I could be alone on this opinion/suggestion but I think Herman Miller should make the Aeron more customizable via seat pan and backrest sizes being separate choices because of how different body proportions can be
Thank you for providing these videos i recently purchased an aeron and your videos really helped me make an informed purchase
Im staying with the original... the classic has more metal parts and I can sacrifice weight for durability.
That pad is now being put back on in my office. The drafting chair is incredibly painful to sit in for long hours
This is a pure gold product, one design that can last for so long and the new version is so close to the original, incredible how this product was engineered
Typical value engineering that slowly ruins everything nice under the pretence of progress.
I want a chair that I can sit in for 8 hours a day, and has a head rest. I've been looking for used leather executive chairs that lawyers and judges use, those really nice ones with the chesterfield leather pattern. But now I am considering a Herman Miller re-mastered from your videos comparing it to Steecase. I thought Steelcase was going to be the most comfortable but your video changed my mind when compared. What do you recommend? And what is the best chair ever?
keep in mind there is a really good aftermarket headrest for aerons. I believe it's called the Atlas headrest. it's 180 dollars but great quality from what I've heard. They released a new one for the remastered aerons.
Best is to go to place where you can try all or some of the different types. Have you an office surplus warehouse near you? Might pick up a deal just as good as eBay, Gumtree craigslist. As you are try out all the functions first before buying rather seeing just pictures.
@@roythunderplump Good points. I want a pre-owned Remastered Aeron HM but will prob go to office supply rather than individual buyers on Craigslist. Want to ensure not a fake HM + that technicians know what they’re doing when preparing used ones for sale. Will see if there are any genuine”HM certified technicians”What do you think?
Does the change in pivot point change how the chair feels when leaning back? As in, does the remastered feel like it wants to raise your feet up off the floor more than the classic, or are they both exactly the same?
As advertised by the badly dressed American Man.
Dude ! Thanks a lot for this.
You're welcome! Glad we could help -GK
I thought Doug start reviewing aeron
chair : )
Bunch of videos of this chair and it’s garbage. I bought the remastered and returned it after two days due to the back pain it caused. I won’t even use it if I get it for free.
Hacer 🤣🤣🤣
Most amazing review for the aeron chair 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Does the polished aluminium get scratched 🧐??
I still cannot believe I am sitting in my own Aeron.....kinda unreal.
Thanks for this. I'm guessing both are still really nice chairs?
Thanks for the review! you guys are really providing value here.
Thank you! -GK
Can you use these removable mesh-seats from remastered into classic one? I want that mesh as more air ventilation is there.
Incredible review. I just ordered a chair, I don't know if it was remastered or classic, I'm assuming it was the remastered. I hope it was the remastered because I prefer a more upright sitting. Great review thanks!!