@@higaiwokeru Yup, It's as if the executives said, hmm, we might get a sequel out of this, can you give us an obligatory 'shock ending' that might set it up. Either way, the ending breaks the movies internal logic and post hoc explanations (reason YS disappeared because she was flatlining after the fall, so was fully erased from the present until she revived etc) feel a bit lacking.
I think people are rejecting the ending because they don’t understand it. It’s clearly the real ending. Not sure why people think the “first” ending was the real ending. It’s just edited that way. It truly ends with the credit scene and then the title card of the movie. Two things to note, during the final act when it changes to the YS refrigerator house there are two quick scenes of YS on the phone with 1999 YS, it seems people missed that? So it was already set up for the credit scene regardless, and two people are asking how did future YS call 1999 YS? Wrong, 1999 YS called future YS, throughout the whole movie calls are made only one way, which is from YS 1999. The phone literally rings and future YS answers because she knows that 1999 YS was going to call to ask SY if she “looked into it?” Meaning did she look to see if she got away with the killings, but to her surprise it’s Future YS (herself) on the phone warning her that she could get killed. Also they show a scar on future YS neck at one point, which points out that she got in a nasty fight with the mom possibly, but obviously didn’t die. There’s a lot that happens off screen and you have to put the pieces together but in the end, YS never died and the changes only happen in real time since 1999 and 2019 are parallel, meaning if it’s 5:00 pm in 1999 it’s also 5:00pm in 2019. That’s why the changes happen at the same moment, it doesn’t go back and then change it changes there and then. It’s a different formula of time travel and I think that’s why people are confused or just don’t pay attention to details.
I agree with what you're saying and it makes sense to me. Do you think you could take a look at my comment on the main video and let me know what you think?
@Lorenzo Smit she only disappeared because the timeline was changed so she didn’t disappear because she died but because she was elsewhere. Things in the future only really change for SY, while YS has full control of SY and Her future self
My question is that if the future YS was alive that implies she would survive the past YS and mom fight. So why would future YS tell past YS that she might die? Doesn't she know she will survive given that she exists?
From what my Fiancé was thinking, YS survived the initial fall and went in to hiding but kept the phone that SY used to get in contact with her mom. After, she waited until young SY turned 28 and then told her past self that the police and mother were going to arrive and to keep the phone on her no matter what happens and that’s what ends the cycle. This ending just makes way too much sense to me, all the other explanations and theories tend to leave out the “keep the phone on you no matter what” part.
Already talking about a sequel.... How they gonna do a sequel if the crazy one wins? No one on the other end of the phone left didn't u see the Refrigerators? She prolly killed the whole town and everyone els standing in her way
Although amazing, here is where I don't think the post-credits ending makes sense. If you ignore the post-credits scene, then mother did indeed kill Yeong-sook in 1999, and it would make sense that the older Yeong-sook disappeared right before managing to kill Seo-yeon in 2019. But somehow in the post-credits scene, both young and old Yeong-sook are alive and communicating with each other over the phone, thus leading to the twist at the end where 2019 Seo-yeon is indeed captured. So how did older Yeong-sook suddenly vanish in thin air right before killing Seo-yeon if 1999 YS never died? Other than this one tidbit, I think the post-credits ending could be the true ending, which would be terrifyingly brilliant. But hopefully someone can explain what they think?
Maybe young Yeong-sook almost died, like her heart stopped for a moment, and then restarted (honestly not sure if what I'm saying is scientifically sound or just movie science), like those moments irl where people say they saw God but something pulled them back to life. Like close to death experience. So then once she came back, all the possibilities for her future came back again also. The one in the future, one of the timelines/possibilities in which she doesn't get caught by the police, probably still wants revenge, so she breaks back into that cursed home to use the landline on the exact day and near the time that she remembers the mom and police arriving. This way she prevents the fight from ever happening. That's sort of how I think it went
@@AllthatmakesFall I considered the near death thing too but I feel like we're stretching to make that assumption as an audience. I feel like they could have clarified that bit more by maybe showing YS's perspective when she woke up from the fall and making it clearer that she came back to life
@@rish5317 I definitely don't doubt that we're stretching, but I also do enjoy the ambiguity of that part. Hopefully there's a sequel that might resolve a few things!!!!
Sorry late, but maybe future YS didn't disappear not because past YS died, but past YS survived and, becoming future YS, didn't go after SY. Then, as future YS, called past YS.
@@bayemsabun453 Young YS calls SY but future YS answers already knowing why young YS was calling SY and then tells her the cops are coming and all of that.
She wasn’t arrested because she killed all of them. Unless you mean when they came knocking and searching the house, she can’t be arrested for something they can’t prove or don’t have enough evidence to prove.
@@just_apotato yeah that's the problem she shouldn't have been alive or even have gotten far without being arrested to live till 48 to alter the timeine again to kill all of them.
A sequel would be made just for the sake of doing so. This is a good one shot story. Their is no further pieces to add here. YS out bested her and concealed every corner.
That makes no sense, because the movie shows that YS had to call to reach SY in the future. Never does it show SY calling. She's always waiting for the call.
I think that people expect the serial killer (YS) to die for them to be satisfied but she wins and lives instead. That is why people do not understand. I think it is very clear to understand when you are not biased towards any character
Western audiences are so used to stories ending on a positive note which isn't congruent with reality. Sometimes things go poorly and theirs literally nothing that can be done. That's why I was satisfied when the post credit scenes ran because that made more sense. In asian movies like Juon their are no happy endings death is absolute no matter how you try to combat it
Good ending was showed first though , its not a bias and young YS already died (because old Ys literally vanished) the post credit would be an alternate timeline where YS wins
It's trying to have its cake and eat it. It violates its own internal logic and explanations that try to fudge this don't really work for me. For example, it's made clear that people in the present disappear when YS kills them. So, people die in past, they get erased. YS in the present, about to kill SY, is erased the moment her past self hits the floor from the balcony fall. So, for the logic set up in the movie, that means YS is dead. (the environment changes back to derelict also) Explanations I've read suggest YS was merely 'flatlining' and somehow then miracously revived. In which case she would not be erased completely in the future. Why, because as YS murders SY's father, he kind of 'shifts' in and of existence, never quite gone until he is fully dead..and so too would YS, if she was merely 'flatlining' but not quite dead Also, as it's made clear both timelines are running at the same, time locked rate, the supposedly revived YS of the past has to have killed the mother not long after that balcony fall. (How long did it take the present SY to run from the derelict house, to the police station, hospital and grave ? That's the time frame YS has to 'wake up' and kill the mother) Not long enough I would assert, for the mother to also wake up, get out of the house, get her wounds treated etc. So YS cannot have gone into hiding, waited years, then killed mother, as those 'years' would also have elapsed for SY. (Ps, it was not future YS calling past YS to warn her, it was past YS phoning the future after burning the knife, but present day YS picked up the phone....thus further complicating the issue with regards to internal logic)
Okay, now can someone explain how SY was ever able to make those calls to help YS kill her mother if she had been held hostage for 20 years? Then she wouldn't ever be able to even access the phone and ever pick up YS's calls, and none of this would have happened. YS would have been dead as her mother would have killed her.
I thought the segment during the closing credits was a 'What if' scenario. What if Young-Sook survived the fall and killed Seo-Yeon's mom, thus leaving Yeon in her twisted hands. A butterfly effect, if you will? That's just my take on it.
The ending dosnt make sense. The time line is connected with day n time. How could she talk to herself before the mother n police came there when it allready happened.. Also. 20+ older murderer should look older??
In an interview the director stayed that there are NO plans for sequel. It is a stand alone movie.
So the post credit scene is even more pointless
@@higaiwokeru Yup, It's as if the executives said, hmm, we might get a sequel out of this, can you give us an obligatory 'shock ending' that might set it up. Either way, the ending breaks the movies internal logic and post hoc explanations (reason YS disappeared because she was flatlining after the fall, so was fully erased from the present until she revived etc) feel a bit lacking.
I think people are rejecting the ending because they don’t understand it. It’s clearly the real ending. Not sure why people think the “first” ending was the real ending. It’s just edited that way. It truly ends with the credit scene and then the title card of the movie. Two things to note, during the final act when it changes to the YS refrigerator house there are two quick scenes of YS on the phone with 1999 YS, it seems people missed that? So it was already set up for the credit scene regardless, and two people are asking how did future YS call 1999 YS? Wrong, 1999 YS called future YS, throughout the whole movie calls are made only one way, which is from YS 1999. The phone literally rings and future YS answers because she knows that 1999 YS was going to call to ask SY if she “looked into it?” Meaning did she look to see if she got away with the killings, but to her surprise it’s Future YS (herself) on the phone warning her that she could get killed. Also they show a scar on future YS neck at one point, which points out that she got in a nasty fight with the mom possibly, but obviously didn’t die. There’s a lot that happens off screen and you have to put the pieces together but in the end, YS never died and the changes only happen in real time since 1999 and 2019 are parallel, meaning if it’s 5:00 pm in 1999 it’s also 5:00pm in 2019. That’s why the changes happen at the same moment, it doesn’t go back and then change it changes there and then. It’s a different formula of time travel and I think that’s why people are confused or just don’t pay attention to details.
I agree with what you're saying and it makes sense to me. Do you think you could take a look at my comment on the main video and let me know what you think?
@@rish5317 sure I will respond to it now
@Lorenzo Smit she only disappeared because the timeline was changed so she didn’t disappear because she died but because she was elsewhere. Things in the future only really change for SY, while YS has full control of SY and Her future self
@@RetroExhibitCollective oh shit, that makes so much SENSE.... Fawk....
My question is that if the future YS was alive that implies she would survive the past YS and mom fight. So why would future YS tell past YS that she might die? Doesn't she know she will survive given that she exists?
From what my Fiancé was thinking, YS survived the initial fall and went in to hiding but kept the phone that SY used to get in contact with her mom. After, she waited until young SY turned 28 and then told her past self that the police and mother were going to arrive and to keep the phone on her no matter what happens and that’s what ends the cycle. This ending just makes way too much sense to me, all the other explanations and theories tend to leave out the “keep the phone on you no matter what” part.
Already talking about a sequel.... How they gonna do a sequel if the crazy one wins? No one on the other end of the phone left didn't u see the Refrigerators? She prolly killed the whole town and everyone els standing in her way
exactly sequel is utter waste...idk but this ending makes more sense
Although amazing, here is where I don't think the post-credits ending makes sense. If you ignore the post-credits scene, then mother did indeed kill Yeong-sook in 1999, and it would make sense that the older Yeong-sook disappeared right before managing to kill Seo-yeon in 2019. But somehow in the post-credits scene, both young and old Yeong-sook are alive and communicating with each other over the phone, thus leading to the twist at the end where 2019 Seo-yeon is indeed captured. So how did older Yeong-sook suddenly vanish in thin air right before killing Seo-yeon if 1999 YS never died? Other than this one tidbit, I think the post-credits ending could be the true ending, which would be terrifyingly brilliant. But hopefully someone can explain what they think?
Maybe young Yeong-sook almost died, like her heart stopped for a moment, and then restarted (honestly not sure if what I'm saying is scientifically sound or just movie science), like those moments irl where people say they saw God but something pulled them back to life. Like close to death experience. So then once she came back, all the possibilities for her future came back again also. The one in the future, one of the timelines/possibilities in which she doesn't get caught by the police, probably still wants revenge, so she breaks back into that cursed home to use the landline on the exact day and near the time that she remembers the mom and police arriving. This way she prevents the fight from ever happening. That's sort of how I think it went
@@AllthatmakesFall I considered the near death thing too but I feel like we're stretching to make that assumption as an audience. I feel like they could have clarified that bit more by maybe showing YS's perspective when she woke up from the fall and making it clearer that she came back to life
@@rish5317 I definitely don't doubt that we're stretching, but I also do enjoy the ambiguity of that part. Hopefully there's a sequel that might resolve a few things!!!!
Sorry late, but maybe future YS didn't disappear not because past YS died, but past YS survived and, becoming future YS, didn't go after SY. Then, as future YS, called past YS.
@@bayemsabun453 Young YS calls SY but future YS answers already knowing why young YS was calling SY and then tells her the cops are coming and all of that.
Why was she not arrested in the og timeline after falling off the rail? Are we accepting the mother did not call the popo
She wasn’t arrested because she killed all of them. Unless you mean when they came knocking and searching the house, she can’t be arrested for something they can’t prove or don’t have enough evidence to prove.
@@just_apotato yeah that's the problem she shouldn't have been alive or even have gotten far without being arrested to live till 48 to alter the timeine again to kill all of them.
A sequel would be made just for the sake of doing so. This is a good one shot story. Their is no further pieces to add here. YS out bested her and concealed every corner.
lol
That makes no sense, because the movie shows that YS had to call to reach SY in the future. Never does it show SY calling. She's always waiting for the call.
Bro did not eat 💀
I think that people expect the serial killer (YS) to die for them to be satisfied but she wins and lives instead. That is why people do not understand. I think it is very clear to understand when you are not biased towards any character
I am not biased to any character but I still don’t understand
Western audiences are so used to stories ending on a positive note which isn't congruent with reality. Sometimes things go poorly and theirs literally nothing that can be done. That's why I was satisfied when the post credit scenes ran because that made more sense. In asian movies like Juon their are no happy endings death is absolute no matter how you try to combat it
Good ending was showed first though , its not a bias and young YS already died (because old Ys literally vanished) the post credit would be an alternate timeline where YS wins
It's trying to have its cake and eat it. It violates its own internal logic and explanations that try to fudge this don't really work for me. For example, it's made clear that people in the present disappear when YS kills them. So, people die in past, they get erased. YS in the present, about to kill SY, is erased the moment her past self hits the floor from the balcony fall. So, for the logic set up in the movie, that means YS is dead. (the environment changes back to derelict also) Explanations I've read suggest YS was merely 'flatlining' and somehow then miracously revived. In which case she would not be erased completely in the future. Why, because as YS murders SY's father, he kind of 'shifts' in and of existence, never quite gone until he is fully dead..and so too would YS, if she was merely 'flatlining' but not quite dead
Also, as it's made clear both timelines are running at the same, time locked rate, the supposedly revived YS of the past has to have killed the mother not long after that balcony fall. (How long did it take the present SY to run from the derelict house, to the police station, hospital and grave ? That's the time frame YS has to 'wake up' and kill the mother) Not long enough I would assert, for the mother to also wake up, get out of the house, get her wounds treated etc. So YS cannot have gone into hiding, waited years, then killed mother, as those 'years' would also have elapsed for SY.
(Ps, it was not future YS calling past YS to warn her, it was past YS phoning the future after burning the knife, but present day YS picked up the phone....thus further complicating the issue with regards to internal logic)
Okay, now can someone explain how SY was ever able to make those calls to help YS kill her mother if she had been held hostage for 20 years? Then she wouldn't ever be able to even access the phone and ever pick up YS's calls, and none of this would have happened. YS would have been dead as her mother would have killed her.
they have the same scars and those cuts seem to want us to notice that, what does that say then?
Such a 10/10 until the very ending, it ruined itself 🤷♂️
I thought the segment during the closing credits was a 'What if' scenario. What if Young-Sook survived the fall and killed Seo-Yeon's mom, thus leaving Yeon in her twisted hands. A butterfly effect, if you will? That's just my take on it.
Welp it’s the real ending
The ending dosnt make sense. The time line is connected with day n time. How could she talk to herself before the mother n police came there when it allready happened.. Also. 20+ older murderer should look older??
How?
@@just_apotato why are u commenting under everyone’s theory just bc it doesn’t match yours? 😂😂
@@jayvo1_ I’m literally asking because I want to know why they think it doesn’t. It made sense to me so I want to know it didn’t for other people.
What an amazing way to fuck up a good movie
The post-credits ending makes no sense at all
How?
No. It was cut and dry
There wont be a sequel, confirmed by the director T_T
Does that mean the protagonist died?
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