"Primeval" (4x21) | *Buffy the Vampire Slayer* Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- I hope you enjoy my reaction to Season Four, Episode Twenty One of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer': "Primeval".
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Man, I can not wait to witness Cass's thought process's in the next episode. Also, Buffy8fan is right about skipping comments in S5 E's 1 & 2.
Her braincells will literally explode 🤯 and the reaction is probably gonna be 2 hours long for all the times she pauses!🤣
Agree. You _do not_ want the next season spoiled!
Indeed - skip the comments for the first two episodes - all she'll miss is gaslighting and trolling that verges on spoiling
I love Xander's line and Nick's delivery of "Spike's working for Adam?! After all we've done - Nah, I can't even act surprised."
I also love the fact that he comes up with the plan basically and the whole "Oh god, we're gonna die aren't we?" gets me everytime.
My head canon is that Walsh wanted to give a chance of life back to soldiers who had died in combat, so not as cartoonishly evil as Adam’s plan. The perverse mother role she took on could be explained if she had lost a son that way.
In the comic they reveal that Adam was the commander of the team once, was nearly killed in combat by demons. So Walsh was assigned Riley instead, but she never gave up on trying to help Adam. She loved both Adam and Riley as sons.
The Scoobies can blame Spike all they want, but he just took advantage of the problems they had since 4x01. Those problems would have been there whether he said something or not. They're just allowing Spike to be the scapegoat so they don't have to talk about it. What Spike did was wrong, but he also opened up the group's eyes to problems they were ignoring (unintentionally on his part, but he still did so).
So what you're trying to say in the typical Spuffy way is that what Spike did was good, like everything else he's ever done. IT WAS WRONG. But it was good. UNINTENTIONALLY SO. But, please, understand, he's just being the scapegoat, he's actually good.
@@Matthew-ij3zm I blatantly say, "What Spike did was wrong." I don't agree with him. I just know his horrible actions created, somewhat, a positive outcome among the group. I say "somewhat" because the group uses Spike doing what he did as a way to justify the fact that they don't talk about the fact that these issues existed before Spike stirred the trouble. And while Willow and Buffy do mend things a little later by talking (while climbing down the elevator shaft), Giles and Xander never do. The time to do it as a group was just after realizing Spike stirred up trouble.
Riley's real punishment was that he had to listen to Adam's Ted Talks. I can't wait for your reaction to the next episode.
11:55 It's very simple: The Initiative is a supersoldier program.
Great reaction as usual. I'm really looking forward to the next one -- possibly my very favorite episode of the whole series.
Haha.. if I had a bingo board for reactors, it would definitely include “speculates on Riley’s tragic passing” 😎
😄everytime.
You are only 1 episode away from the best season of genre television ever made ♥
In the commentary for this episode, the writers said they accidentally wrote themselves into a corner and had to acknowledge it and made Spike the scapegoat lol
🤔 I always assumed that human-Adam was fatally wounded in action before being brought to Dr. Walsh, not that she actually killed him.
or he volunteered.
I do believe that the next episode supports this hypothesis.
The combining of all the scoobies inside Buffy is one of the coolest things that occurs in the show.
the scene between Buffy and Willow always mades me emocional 🥺🫶🏻
The whole scheme of this season's Big Bad is pretty convoluted. But it's pretty clear in the end. The way I interpret it is:
- Walsh knows about demons, She proposes to the military to not only work at suppressing demons for normal defense purposes -- which might be understandable and somewhat of a good idea -- but also to figure out a way to make super soldiers out of demons and humans.
- Adam is one version of her vision, Riley is another. Not sure why her approaches for them are so different. Maybe Riley was actually meant to be Adam 2.0 at a later time?
- Where Wash went wrong is not realizing that Adam would become sentient and develop his own idea of his original purpose. He wants to create battalions of human / demon super soldiers too, but not for military purposes -- for just doing evil and wreaking havoc.
In other words, I don't think Dr. Wash's plan was, in her mind, to do evil and wield unfettered power. It was more contained, even if equally crazy. But her bad, morally questionable plan got way out of control,
Meanwhile, most of the military wasn't fully in on the full scope of even Wash's plan, much less Adam's. The top brass in Washington were, at least on the idea of using demon parts to amp up the Army. But the military's core problem was approaching the existence of the demon world as a purely scientific problem of animal control. Frankly, it's the sort of approach I would gravitate to if any of this was real. But in the Buffyverse, it's a total misread of the nature of the demon / supernatural phenomenon.
That's the only way this whole storyline makes any kind of sense. The fact that we have to work at it so hard is why it's one of the least favorite of the Buffyverse. The two big ideas have a lot of promise. They just weren't that well executed.
Good analysis of The Initiative. The only item I disagree is that The Initiative was the Big Bad of the season. The real big bad was time. Look at the last scene of Season 3. Angel is leaving, Cordelia and Oz will no longer be around Sunnydale soon, the library and Giles job has been destroyed, and with High School over the reason for Buffy, Willow, and Xander to spend days together is over. The Big Bad is time and how it changes lives, relationships, and purpose. No matter the battle plans, Buffy can not slay the changing of time.The real battles all year dealt with how growing older and facing mature problems are now battles that have to be faced and fought.
@@williambowman2326 I like to just say college problems with a group that was in high school together is the big bad. I view The Initiative as an extention of Riley who is Buffy's college "problem" (for use of a better word) against the group. It makes the Initiative arc easier to deal with.
@@Buffy8Fan Thank you and an excellent point. I was not that big of a fan of Season 4 until my rewatch during the lockdown. It was bold making the real villain for Buffy and the Scoobys a non physical presence that was common for us. Much easier to take on a Vampire or giant snake.
I think that Riley was the first attempt of creating a super solder and Adam was the 2.0 route by trying to merge demons with humans.
@@Henrik_Holst That’s interesting. I always assumed it was part of the military plan to have perfect soldiers to follow all orders without and blowback. We know that she was experimenting on many troops ( recall Episode 3 when Harmony is complaining about the taste of the blood of their prisoner wearing a soldier’s uniform) and not sure when it started Marsh did have a keen interest in Riley and she did rig his room with cameras.
I just love this season and to be honest, you do too. I remember well how you got excited about individual episodes and how you found the whole theme around the initiative interesting. And because you saw so much potential in the season's theme, the disappointment is that in the end it was only about Adam and no longer about Walsh after she died, and the initiative suddenly became a secondary issue. They even moved further and further away from the initiative over several episodes and the initial mystery was gone. Nevertheless, it is a successful season with great individual episodes and an interesting basic structure up to episode 16. Only then did you notice that the ideas were running out and filler episodes were being added up until the finale. I don't think the basic idea with Adam is bad at all. But he would have worked better as a supporting character or if he had been given more background and personality. Maybe flashbacks to his previous life. That would have given him more depth. But all in all a pretty successful season that sets up a lot of what happens in season 5. Especially in terms of character and the general tone that Buffy has taken with season 4. I think you will really like season 5 too. Especially when the story slowly unfolds. It's a complexe story, strong character moments and probably the most twisty and shocking season of all, when it come to certain episodes and story lines.
This season will definetly break you and i cant wait 😅
And all the issues you adressed will satisfy you in the end. Trust ❤
Comment for the algorithm. I’m excited for your reaction to this episode… and SUPER DUPER excited for your reaction to the next!
funny that Joss Whedon did this in Buffy and years later he produced The Cabin in the Woods, literally the same vibe 😂
And Dollhouse, a show about programing people.
Huh. I never thought that Adam was stalling on his deal with Spike-I thought Spike was jumping the gun and trying to get his chip removed before it could become clear whether his plan worked or not. Up til that point all he’d really done was go away and then come back saying that he successfully got the Scoobies fighting with each other; it wasn’t until Buffy arrived either alone or with the rest of the gang that it would become clear whether his plan had worked.
Exactly. Adam was waiting until Spike actually did the job, correctly, to fulfill his end of the deal.
The fight scene with Adam.. Finally a close up to the stunt double. Normally her face is not visible at all. Except for scenes when buffy is falling or or get kick off in the air etc. You can kinda see her face but in this shot you can see her face clearly.
Ah that moment when you realize the big bad is dead and the season isn't over.
Adam suffers from following the wonderfully charismatic Mayor. All the more so because he's basically a demon cult leader, and is charisma black hole. Its probably not the actors fault he had to work with the material he was given in the makeup they put him in.
And he wasn't supposed to be a big bad initially. Walsh was, but she wanted out.
@@migmit
there's mixed reports on that one. it's not entirely clear either way.
It is. She was stating it in an interview. But she didnt wanna leave entirely and get her cameos. But josh then decided to write her completely out @@sirmoonslosthismind
20:41 ..."They're all in her"... That sounds so wrong🤣🤣
I mean, she already did four guys in Beer Bad... 🤷
It's too bad that you had to edit out my favorite Xander line of the episode. The one he utters while Buffy and Willow are hugging him atop of the elevator car.
"Oh God, we're gonna die."
I'm rather fond of Giles' - "Xander, just because this is never gonna work is no need to be negative."
S4 finale up next! While Prophecy Girl has my favorite finale moment (Buffy's brrakdown after hearing the prophecy) my favorite finale is Restless. It's just such a good episode, even if it requires finishing the series to properly appreciate it.
This season's finale is definitely one of the episodes of all time.
the finale of this season it’s a trip, prepare yourself girl ✨
I'm so looking forward for the next episode, one of my favorites
17:10 like it or not he is still a soulless vampire. He initially joined in with them because he was weak and needed their help. Continue to stay with them when he realized he could beat on demons. But at this point he is still all about himself. There is no making a deal. If he gets that chip out, it's game on. JS🤷 as he would say "the big bad is back"
do you still have your notebook? you used to scribble in it at the start of the show
you were surprised it was the military behind the Initiative? Wasn't it mentioned a few times before that it was the military or am I just imagining that? ^^
Really looking forward to the next episode. If you know you know lol.
They totally blew the season's budget on that CGI fight.
18:16 I'm still not over Miss Calendar.
17:39.. the demons are killing for carnage, blood, vulnerable humans, chaos, destruction.... Most of them don't need anything beyond that 🤷
Hi Cass, nice episode as always 👍🏻, thanks
Are u planning to make a season-summary @the end of S#04 like u did in #01 & #02? (btw still hoping u will do for S#03 as well 😊)
Greetings
S4 was always going to be slightly difficult because The High School years were over, and the show had to find a new direction. Overall I felt it was disappointing compared to other Seasons and felt somewhat disjointed. Adam, even wasn't really a 'Big Bad' compared with the arc of other seasons. That being said, this was an entertaining episode with the big fight towards the end reminiscent of a Bond Film, with lots of people in a massive big fight in a complex with all sorts of weapons etc, but as you can see episode bullets are flying everywhere but nobody getting hit! We see Willow again gaining amazing power, and being able to transfer to Buffy to make her invincible, there were shades here of The Matrix with the slow motion shots and the strange deflection of Adam's attacks. Riley shows great courage to remove the chip from his chest, and when Buffy pulls out Adam's power source we get a great sense of satisfaction. Once again we have an X-FILES type ending where the covert government men discussing closing down The Initiative could easily be Smoking Man, Assistant Director Skinner etc, as a closing X-FILES scene. Don't worry about E22 finale for S4 It's very different, but an essential episode going forward.
Am I the only that would've liked to have seen Marcie Ross again? You know, the invisible girl in 1x11.
Last time we saw her, two govt agents took her and we saw her enter a class full of invisible people just like her and being taught how to be assassins. I would've loved to have seen her cross paths again with the Scoobies.
And maybe cross over to Angel and somehow we find out she's involved with Wolfram & Hart. Ooh, get a reunion with Cordelia and have a proper face-off between the two. That would've been interesting to explore.
I always thought the enjoining spell was calling an entity to possess an individual, using the strength and knowledge of others. So it wasn't just the four of them, it was a "goddess" of sorts that possessed Buffy, giving her power, drawing on all four of them.
I think part of "the Hand" (Buffy) called on the entire Slayer line, which is why the next episode. So whatever that nebulous power/lineage is...
@@swamptastic The spell did call upon "Sineya," so that might be important somewhere in the future.
They called upon the spirit of the first slayer.
Totally unrelated...but for music i would highly suggest willow smiths new album ❤
Yes, it is a "season finale", sorta. But I look forward to your next reaction. No comment until then. Thanks, Cass!
I like the term "arc finale"-it's where the season-long _arc_ is concluded, but not where the _season_ is concluded.
Breathe....Afraid the next episode may break your brain.
Little did you know that you were on the right track when you spoke of professor Walsh doing some kind of experiment (for lack of a better word) on Riley. At times like that, it's hard not to spoil things for you by telling you how right you are.
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Occasionally I need ups or alcohol to slow down my seizure add brain. And i I say that to you with all the love and fun in the world....enjoy the finale....😁😂
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Once again not only a fun reaction but you captured so much of the feelings and thoughts we had when we watched this when it aired. Don’t feel bad that you didn’t figure it out, very few have and none of us did originally.
A suggestion: be different on your Reaction for the next episode Do not be afraid to make it the longest reaction you will produce. It does not matter for Episode 22. Don’t be afraid to make 2 different reactions to the show. Whatever you do, be true to yourself and it will be right. You have solid common sense, intelligence, and confidence and we watch your reactions because you do a wonderfully entertaining show.
Hit me hard and soft reaction please!!!
You should react to Cabin in the Woods. Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon made it. I think you’d like it.
If I recall correctly, you didn’t watch it on your old channel and it tends to do numbers on reaction channels.
I would be annoyed with how many people feel the need to prep Cassie for the Finale (prepping being the contrary purpose of reactions) if not for the fact that Cassie is probably mid season 5 vy now (as is the pace of most reactors).
You? Overthink things? No way! 🤣♥
First I've heard of it...
Nice. Enjoy the finale episode - a word of warning though - unless you're already ahead you may want to skip the comments in the first two episodes of season 5 - for some weird reason - well - the reason is trolling and gaslighting - many 'fans' seem to enjoy trying to spoil a major plot point of S5 in the first two episodes.
Is it the one am thinking of?
And for some weird reason you seem to enjoy spoiling the fans' fun! Spoilsport.
Really? I saw some funny shenanigans, but spoilers?
I like that you saying this is as much of a spoiler as anything I've seen in regard to that gag, you just did it earlier.
@@phueal Dropping spoilery hints about the nature of a character isn't fun - its tedious gaslighting and spoilery.
please make a reaction video to billie eilish's new album
0:17 "Why is it spelled like that?", because that is how it is spelled.
primeval - adjective - of the earliest time in history - "mile after mile of primeval forest"
The episode title is spelled "Primevil"
@@TheBloobster No it isn't, it's spelled correctly.
My problem with Adam as a villain. He had no emotional connection to Buffy and vice versa. An emotional connection wasn't possible. He only cared about her as a tool to help inadvertently create his demon/human hybrid army. The Master needed her to escape, and she, per Nightmares, genuinely feared him. Angel in S2 is self-explanatory. Whike there was no real connection with the Mayor until she put Faith in a coma, there was an absolute connection by hoth to Faith who was part of team big bad. I'll touch on future things as the end of those seasons.
IMO, Xanders, Giles and Willow did NOT join with Buffy. They worked together to join Buffy and The PRIME. That is what they did. Hence Buffy with the glowing eyes, talking like a person before time itself. The PRIME. But that is just my opinion. Great Post.
will you please react to hit me hard and soft
15:30 That enjoining spell feels too pulled out of a hat to me. My small fix is that the Initiative could have been using similar magic to ‘enjoin’ all Adam’s radically different aspects into something alive. Willow could have found reference to it in those docs.
We could have had a whole corporate magic subplot, starting with a couple of witches at that meeting where we met Tara, that we later glance in lab coats at the initiative. Magic could plaster over various plotholes, like how spikes chip detects demons. I also think it would be interesting to see scientists trying to employ magic without understanding it.
You have such big, beautiful eyes! Anyway, love your reaction as usual. I always am amused how every reactor is confused after this episode… like… this WASN’T the finale?
I foresee a LOT of pausing during the next episode...
Great reaction never trust spike he has no soul Miss ya Angel
''Adam's an idiot''--yep, sums it up pretty well. He's probably #1 on my least favorite Buffy-big bad list.
Now you can see that the previous episode 'The Yoko Factor' was just filler. Spike breaks up the Scoobies now he puts them together again. Pointless but this season had some issues. The overall episodes were still of very good quality.
Disagree that The Yoko Factor was pointless. Spike breaking up the Scoobys with a presentation of facts and semi truths fully showed the audience the true Big Bad, time . The real battle that they faced was understanding the hurdles of changing lives and the natural progression of time. Everyone was clinging to the safety of what was known and how they functioned in established roles. Think about the final scene in Graduation , Part 2 and then the reconciliation scene in this episode. I recall our Buffy gang calling each other after this episode and use realizing that they needed to lose each other to know what they have.
Yoko Factor definitely wasn't filler. Spike preyed on actual problems within the group that they wouldn't have resolved otherwise. I don't think k the enjoining spell would have worked if they hadn't aired things out between them.
Check out tv series True Blood(2008).
I *DON'T* want Spike to be a main character!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬💢💢💢 20:17 - 20:25 Well..technically she's about to cheat too.
You would think that it would be spelled primevil or primeevil. Strange spelling.
The episode before the episodes where for some reason people lie about their first viewing.
This will be a weird time for your comment section.
It is okay to wait a while to view the RUclips comments
OK, the question is if you mean what I think you mean or not. If yes, I wouldn't call it a lie. I would call it good-natured trolling. Back in real time, someone I will reveal later said, "Trust the writers." From that point, there were three main groups of people. People freaking the eff out thinking they've gone mad or something. The vast majority of these people were new to the online community. The boring nice regulars who didn't freak out and were attempting to find an answer. And the final group, regulars who didn't know the answer and decided to roll with it until one was provided and meanwhile would act as if these new people completely missed everything and would point out the scenes that would answer these questions. They didn't consider it mean, just funny. Is this vague enough or delete worthy? And is this what you meant?
It's not lying. It's good natured trolling about people's bad memories.
@@xyex No, it's dozens of people making exactly the same comment. It is spoiling. And gaslighting. Why are you deliberately trying to spoil Cass's viewing experience? (That was rhetorical, btw - don't bother answering - you're a Troll)
@@wembleyford LMMFAO. No one is spoiling anything. Everything everyone says is literally said IN the episode itself. Imagine seeing someone commenting on this episode "wow, if Spike hadn't slipped about the scoobies fighting Buffy would have never realized he was behind it" and you calling it a spoiler. Because that's literally what you're doing. Crying spoilers over people saying what is said in the episode being commented on.
@@xyex Stop lying. There is absolutely nothing in S5E1 about 'bad memories' - what there is are dozens of trolls like you in the comments saying exactly the sort of thing you've just said- collectively trying to spoil the show.