New Milwaukee M18 FUEL Compact Impact Vs. Milwaukee M12 FUEL Stubby Impact!
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Intro 0:00
M12 Stubby 0:56
M12 v M18 Overview 01:40
Testing Overview 7:10
Testing 8:48
Subaru Crank Bolt 160Ft.Lbs. 10:40
Subaru Engine Fasteners 15:28
Subaru Lug Nuts 120Nm 18:30
Duramax 3500 Lug Nuts 140Ft.Lbs. 20:28
Conclusion/Final Verdict 22:00
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I work at Home Depot in the tool dept and i see alot more people going for the M12 stuff, Eletricians love the M12 very compact and easy to fit in tight spaces
I agree! M12 is way more lighter and smaller! No one wants a heavier tool then they need. So for me the m12 is the way to go
He in the au nsw we all use matika mainly
Definitely use the 12v for the stubby tools but I use the 18v for the mid size guns that I have. The mid size guns put out around 600 ft lbs for break away torque, very powerful.
Iam a automotive technician I have both m12 m18 I love my m18 more
Outside of the total runtime you don't lose to much in power but the overall size of the M12 tools is awesome
M18 looks sick with all black boot on
Great review that shows me some tricks to remove some stubborn nuts, keep going bro!
Thanks for your information and videos I appreciate you 🙏
Yeah.., I'm with you on the real world nuts and bolts 🔩. Stuck on 10 years +
love my M12 stubby..that being said if i'm doing my truck lugs or anything that high of torque I just go to my 1/2" mid torque impact..M12 is perfect for working on my bikes, sleds etc..just so friggen handy for that
As always a comprehensive and honest review, the explanation of torque testing new bolts was spot on 👍🏽
I never even thought about marking my battery the date that I purchased it. Thanks for the tip.
You're welcome 👍🏻
Your a great mechanic. Test on other brands other than Subaru with the tools you rely on. As you did on your 3500. You should have torqued the lugs to spec, but as you stated, real world is not controlled. Hopefully Milwaukee has a bigger eye and ear for your subscribers and knowledge. Thanks for the video!
As I’m trying to decide on a stubby your video helped! Great content .
You're welcome. 👍🏻
fantastic, mate!
Thanks, i was not aware a heavier socket might work on a stubborn nut
Only reason to get the m18 is if you want to pop a 5ah or something like that so that you get some more capacity but I’d rather just swap some m12 battery’s on the charger because oh aren’t going to be busting dozens of nuts off at a time very often if ever. Might be useful in a construction setting for lag bolts or something like that but in an automotive setting I see the m12 stubby being the clear choice of the two
Agreed. I just got mine and I love it!
@@scottelia8723 will be buying both, sell follow up with results by the end of January
Why you didn't explain the boot on the compact wrench thanks you.
Great information and thoughts I have both m12 and M18 tools been looking at the new mid torque tools not sure if I am going to grab the new compact I love the 3.0ah packs they are my most used batteries just amazing form factor and weight ratio on the Milwaukee m18 tools
Great comparison! 👍
Love my M12 stubby. Great for under hood work.
💯 👍🏻
I got the m18 3/8 definitely a nice gun but I never use it. I’m always grabbing my 3/8 m12 stubby. I even ordered the 1/2 stubby because I’ve wanted that one for quite some time. Good video btw!
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
Great test good job.
Thank you!
The one thing I never would've thought on doing is writing the dates on when the batteries were purchased. Thanks for the small tip!
Yup. Always helps to keep track of things since Milwaukee doesn't do online warranty registration like Dewalt and Makita do. Use a Milwaukee Inkzall paint marker.
@@eliezerramosjr1017 you're welcome. 👍🏻
In Europe Milwaukee only does online registration so you never need o worry about it but it is handy that the euro stock also has the manufacturing date printed on the battery so you have a rough idea which are your old or new batteries. Is that the same in the US?
Been doing the writing dates on tool in battery location for years helps a ton as well as on batteries
Oh, don’t get me started! My grandmother has some kind of OCD... Literally everything she owns has a date written on it somewhere for when she bought it. Even down to the toilet bowl plunger.
I just got the 2767-20 M18 about 6 months ago. Hasn't let me down once. I will never need 1400ft•lb of torque, but better safe than sorry. Now I'm looking at Milwaukee electric ratchets for those tight spaces
It's definitely a powerful beast. 💪🏻
Im at the same point.. Rachets but Im trying the Ryobi 89 bucks kit to see 🤑✍️🧠
i have that same impact. I use it for semi truck rims lol.
@@payco1000 the ryobi octane version looks real nice.
Hey @MilwaukeeTool ! We would love to see this guy at NPS21. #GetThisManASponser #MilwaukeeTool #NothingButHeavyDuty .
I was glad to see the stubby removing the last lug nut. Thanks for the tip with the heavier lug nut/extension. Tried with my stubby on my neighbor’s truck and work it like a charm.
I'll be going with the M12, no doubt about it. Love the compact batteries. Tri-LED is nice but that does not outweigh the M12 Stubby 3/8" drive as being my choice!!! You really helped me with this choice. After watching your video, it was a no-brainer. By the way, I talked to a Milwaukee tech person who turned wrenches for a living for 30 years and he said the M12 Stubby 3/8" is the way to go. He also said that if I get the M12 and that if I get something stronger down the road, do NOT get a mid-torque, go straight to the high-torque / full size Milwaukee because the M12 Stubby is so great and will do me all I need and is good all the way up to the full size. He said no need for the mid-torque.
Thanks for a good tip! Even happier with my M12 Stubby now :)
@@Symek92 Glad you like it , mine does everything I need thus far. Even the small battery is powerful.
I have a M18 mid torque 1/2” and that things is a MONSTER! I can’t see any reason to purchase the high torque gun. I rarely take anything off that’s over 700lbs of ft torque. That’s overkill!
@@flex_nyc9885 Same, but I've got the 3/8.
The 1/2 stubby m12 compact Ive used as my main gun for suspension on various rusty fasteners works really good all the way up 36 mm axle nuts no problem takes little longer. But with removes with no problem
I just bought my first impact wrench M12 Stubby 1/2". Thanks to you I know, it's a great choice for what I need it!
You got a good point on busting rusty nuts and bolts loose. This is a great video.
Good real world demonstration
awesome review, I think having a 6.0 battery on the Stubby would've edged the M18 out on that last test. Any time the Stubby struggles on something I throw the 6.0 on there and it does the job
So the battery adds more power?
@@thewiseguy7100yes and no. Typically the higher the amp hour on the battery pack ndicates better battery cells being used. Itll last longer because of the higher capacity. Better cells do usually equal more power but in some instances like the m18 HO 6 ah vs HO 8 ah the 6 ah outperforms the 8 ah. The torque test channel covers this subject pretty thoroughly.
@@thewiseguy7100 Yes, you have more disposable amperage available from a higher amp battery.
great comparison........I love my M12 3/8 stubby.
As do I!
I love mine too but I got the 1/2” 😊
@@bendude6748 I want to get the 1/2 but most of my sockets are 3/8
@@kevin2jzzzz203 I got the 1/2” cos I think it’s a bit tougher for wheel nuts etc, you could always just run a 1/2 to 3/8 reducer I guess.
I will be getting the m12 3/8 stubby. I already have the 1/2 high torque gen 2 and love it. Great wrench.
Just got the m12 3/8 stubby. It is excellent.
I have the m18 1/2 in. And the m12 3/8 I’m in construction and use the m18 daily and the m12 I use for working on the cars and trucks and things around the house. Love both of them. Also have the big boy 1/2 for when I want to get crazy 😜
The problem most people don't see, (unlike you) is the most important part of an impact gun is the attachment's and sockets you choose to use
I learned that the hard way but your right it makes a HUGE difference...
Couldn’t agree more
Idk why, i want the 3/8 but might purchase the 1/2 since i already own a set of 1/2 impact soquet set
@@malukojoexvi9957 That was exactly my thought process. I already have 1/2" impact sockets so I bought the M12 stubby in 1/2".
@@Futurase1 I found out as well after buying a high torque that a mid torque would work on the application. Even a stubby worked once I got impact rated sockets.
Good Video. That particular m18 CP3.0 compact battery has the power of XC 5.0. It has 21700 cells. That m12 has 18650 cells and the XC 6.0 would me more comparable with the m18 CP3.0 battery.
For people who got problems with the Honda or Acura crank pulley bolt. Buy the Lisle 19mm heavy duty impact socket, that's what I use to removed my 07 Acura TL crank pulley bolt with 1 try. The darn socket weight almost the same with my Milwaukee M18 mid torque impact wrench. Quite expensive for just 1 socket for that 1 job, but it's got the job done with no problem.
A lot of these tools are used in industrial construction, HVAC and industries other than automotive, which involved fitting brand new fasteners so the "lab tests" are very close to what the tool we do when used on new fasteners.
Good tip on the picking the socket! Thanks for sharing!
I’d love to see a gen 2 M12 stubby with similar lights to the new mid torque
Yes!
@@MrSubaru1387 no! I just bought my stubby 😢 although I would probably sell it to my friend and buy the Gen 2 if it is the same torque rating with a smaller head and shorter grip (is smaller even possible at this point?)
That would be awesome. Was thinking about getting the m12 stubby but the m18 mid torque has so much more power
The m18 compact basically a bigger version of the m12 stubby! Just it provides longer run time
I did measurements on the m12 and M18 stubby, if you look closely at the bolts securing the hammer and gear assembly to the tool, they are interchangeable, there would be some modifications needed to the plastic body though since they appear to have different shaped locating tabs
I have the old bulky M18, used it with astro ball joint tool remover, very powerful only downside i have to lift front of my car more considering length of m18 + ball joint tool remover length.
Which one would you recommend for jobs such as removing lug nuts and also suspension parts? Looking to replace the struts and shocks on an 07 expedition so will be removing a lot of suspension parts.
Lol finished watching an SMA video with the jingle at the end, then yours begins with the same jingle. A good jingle for great channels for sure :)
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks!
Thank you!
Just came here to say I got the m12 stubby 3/8 with the friction ring and the new 5.0 h.o battery for 100$
#1. M18 is $100 more expensive #2. m18's battery gets in the way and can force you to use it upside down #3. m18 has smaller grip, which would be uncomfortable to me, being 6'2 #4 the flat head on the M18 reduces work space. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick the M12 Stubby 3/8 AGAIN & roll with a 1/2 mid torque. I only like the new lights on the M18 compact, my wish list includes a right angle ratchet/impact, mid-torque, & carpentry related tools like a sawzall, circular saw, and mitre saw..so it makes no sense for me to get the M18 compact impact wrench
I like the m18 grip especially if your wearing gloves.
Yeeesss, a nice review. Many North American pneumatic/cordless tool companies go crazy over those numbers. It's been a constant 'war' between the different brands, primarily waged by their respective marketing departments, lol. The numbers are often over-inflated. Thanks for taking the time to do the demonstration, and illustrating the point about the less than accurate torque fiqures these companies spew.
I have had the same results of the m12 stubby 3/8 and 1/2 struggle to take 22mm lug nuts off 1 ton trucks even with deep sockets
The high output battery on that M18 def makes a difference. I normally rock a 2.0 cuz it's lighter, BUT when I need the extra power I'll throw on my 3.0 HO or if I'm feeling squirrely... 6.0 just cuz 😆
I have both 12 and 18v batteries wish the 18v batteries were shorter I would definitely get the 18v stubby. Hope Milwaukee comes up with something similar like Dewalt power stack batteries
I have used M12 3/8” stubby with xc 4.0 since 2018 with winter seized lug nuts off easily on over 100 ft lb where Bosch 18V can’t remove.
Done multiple cars van over winter summer and during brakes job as well.
Consider a proper socket makes a different too.
i use a Wiha standard socket
they have few car bolt that you really need to test if you want to test those tool:
1- Honda crank bolt with red locktite
2- BMW wheel lug bolt after 1 winter season (lag bolt)
3- subaru rear suspension that never touch in 10 years.
Lol the way you say grease "Greeezzzed" haha 😄is funny
On the mid torque the 1/2” has an extra 50lbft of torque over the 3/8. I think the 1/2” compact would help a tiny bit as the 1/2” anvil will have a bit more mass over the 3/8
Surprisingly the 3/8 models all make more torque
@@danieljensen1465 I was just about to say this lol
@@danieljensen1465 and they're .2mm smaller at the head
I saw a test where this was the case.
Good info about the weight of the socket Ive been doing mechanic work since I was a kid and was always told impact sockets were built heavier to take the beating not to actually give the beating
So does it not make more sense now to just get the m12 right angle for compact focus and the m18 for everything else? Or just m12 right angle plus new m18 mid torque ? The right angle is 210 and that’s a tiny decrease for such a major size reduction
The best advice I can give to anyone that hasn't already bought one is go with the m12 1/2 stubby, and if you need higher torque, jump straight to the 1/2 high torque. I've got the 3/8 mid torque and I have never had an issue taking anything off with it. I've got the mid torque 3/8 because that's all that I was able to get my hands on due to a time crunch at that moment. Since then, only once did something give me a bit of a struggle and I added a chunkier adapter and socket and the added mass did the job. My issue is that I want the M12 1/2 stubby due to it's more compact size and the M18 1/2 high torque (just in case), but I can't rationalize or convince myself to get either because I've already go the mid torque 3/8 with swivel adapters sockets in 3/8 and 1/2, BUT I WANT A STUBBY!
Very helpful, I have the m18 high torque impact and realized it won’t fit everywhere. Struggling between getting the m18 compact or the m12 stubby.
Me too, I just don’t know!!
@@PDPIE1029 I want the m18 because I already have that system but I feel like I’ll be able to use the m12 stubby in more places
@@ericmurrell723 get the m12, I just got the m12 and it’s so nice and light. It puts down the same amount as the m18 it can be the only m12 you have for getting the small spots.
Where is that subaru junk yard? I need some parts. I've a 01 outback and i love it.
Wish you would have used the xc6.0 in the M12. The 21700's in the HO 3.0 battery give it a good advantage over the M12 xc3.0's 18650 construction. I've seen a couple tests from different people that show a noteworthy bump in torque when the M12 runs the 6.0.
i like that m18 12ah battery
Love the M12 platform as a home DIYer and part-time contractor. I own a few drivers, drills, saws, and the stubby just recently made my life a lot easier. An 150ft/lb nut by the control arm was located in a tight spot where the breaker bar had limited movement. Took it right off while the car was still on jack stands. Milwaukee, if you're reading this, send me some M12 tools I need (ratchet, lighting, cut off tool, multi tool). Also, your hand tools are pretty decent. If you ever change your battery format, I'll drop you like I dropped Dewalt when they change their 18v to 20v which was really still 18v.
It takes less space to print on the box "up to 250 ft/lb torque" vs. "12mm nut left outdoors for 10 years of Subaru originally torqued 150 ft/lb". Would it take off a 19mm nut on VW after 3 yrs?...hummmmm
TL;DR?
I'm getting the M12, I just want it to do some eassy work and it's cheaper than m18 so, Thanks for helping me to decide😅😂✌
Шикарные малыши 😊👍
They must of had a demand for a stubby impact for the construction side . Most construction guys don't have m12 stuff unless you work with small stuff. More options more better.
Most of
Yeah, M12 on a job site will often get laughed at but the M18 is respected. I like them both. Started with an M12 ratchet that earned my attention toward other M12 tools for both automotive and construction. In fact, I just recently bought my first M18 tool set. I think they both have a solid place in many trades with the main advantage of the M12 being size and weight without a sacrifice of power.
In the end I went with the M18 and bought some quality beefy swivel adapters + extensions to compensate for the tight areas I encounter on my vehicles.
I agree the testing of a nice new bolt and nut are skewed between bolt and nut size to if there greased or non greased as well as even socket size also is a factor deep sockets compared to mid or even shallow changes everything deeps have more weight and mass and rust causes more torque for removal in a test lab results are never the same in real world aspects
I like the real world testing way better.
haha I thought you were back using a green screen until you placed the Impact on the bench @ 7:13
😂 😂 😂
Did you completely miss 00:57 ? He picks it up from there
Just got the m12 1/2 stubby with 6ah battery. It can't remove any nuts on my Luton sprinter van 2015 not even close. Wheels not been off for a while and overtightend no doubt. It's powerfull but had to crack them all by hand with telescopic strong bar first run so make sure that stays in the boot it your planning on relaying on it. Only tight as the stubby can go now so hopefully won't be a problem with overtightend nuts next time as they still will be over factory torque settings tight if the stubbys max torque is true. if your looking to remove wheels and dont mind cracking the odd bolt by hand it's a good tool and has enough power to put them back securely to.
Considering she’s only 12 volts it does a pretty bloody good job
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EXCELLENT POST
Years later. I recently purchased m18 1/2 mid torque starter kit with charger and high output 8.0 batt for $320. I only work on my car if need be. Just wanted something that can break things if i need it. Although this is my first setup i am considering a stubby or compact 3/8 just for the small places.
My favorite subaru rim besides the really nice sti bbs
Honestly the M18 is better if you plan too eventually get more M18 tools but if you plan too use mostly M12 tools then M12 is better
If I’m not on the m12 system yet, would you still recommend the stubby over the gen 3 3/8” compact? Going to eventually pair either of these with the gen 2 mid torque 1/2”
Hard to say. The stubby has an advantage in size. The M18 has the advantage in lighting, platform capability with thr Mid-Torque and high torque. But, there's a lot of great automotive tools in the M12 platform as well. Depends on what all you think you end up buying.
Great video...Are they 3/8 anvil?
Yes, both are 3/8" drive.
@@MrSubaru1387 Thanks
Hi 👋
Do you have by any chance the link
For your favorite m18 battery 🔋
Thanks.
Hey MrSubaru! So my question is I have the M18 batteries not one m12. I'm taking apart a car at home. Do you think I need the m12 stubby? Or the M18 would get in almost any place I need?
Buy the one you have batteries for. 👍🏻
@@MrSubaru1387 Thanks for the fast reply!!
@@franciscoagosto2447 i have the mid torque 3/8 drive m18 and thinking of getting the m12 stubby. Stubby with a smaller battery will always fit better in the engine bay than the m18. Plus, the battery charger is for both so. Lol
I don't like the m12 design's effect on the handles due to the battery design. M18 handles feel much better in the hand to me, it maybe it's less of as issue if you have large hands.
Yeah M12 sucks when you have smaller hands. Makes it hard to hold especially with gloves
@@narutobroken It is worse with smaller hands, but I also think it is objectively worse in general. Some people like it, but I think they just get used to the odd design and also tend to have larger hands.
The evidence for this is that no one makes grips like this, including Milwaukee, except when they have an insert battery design (see m18 grip which is quite different). If Milwaukee ever decides to change to a slide on battery design for m12, we will no longer see the bulbous fat grip.
The music during the intro made me think i was about to watch the Roseanne show
When they came out with the Stubby M12, I purchased two of the Stubby 3/8'' drive and a 1/4'' drive bare tools. I paired them with three Waitley M12 9.0Ah batteries and they work awesome for me for nearly 2 years now still going strong used daily. I have no need for the M18 Stubby at all.
You need to get yourself the mighty xc 5.0 high output for that m-12 stubby !!
M18 1/2 is really the best of both worlds in terms of the M12 line. Same up front torque as the M12 1/2 with the top end torque of the M12 3/8. Personally I prefer the M12 for their compact size.
I like the new look of the compact M18 wish it was in M12
Will a 3/8 impact be alright for under the hood of a semi truck or should I get the 1/2 in? I won't really be doing to much suspension work other than changing a tire or an airbag every now and then, but I'll worry about that down the road if the 3/8 in. will work under the hood I'll be alright with that for now. About to buy my first truck is the reason I'm asking.
Honestly can't say. I don't work on stuff that big. Lol
Would be great for underwood and trailet doors ..you will love it
Now I'm more confused than ever. Have been trying to decide between the m18 and m12. Had decided on the m18 because of some other comparison videos but like you said they were in controlled conditions. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO BUY.
Buy both! Get one in 3/8” and one in 1/2”. Problem solved.
@Carlo Monte M12 3/8” seems to be the answer for these general applications. The smaller size will get you into some tighter locations, but you won’t give up anything in torque. Enjoy!
Please help guys, I tried using the right angle impact wrench to remove the brake calipers and it just didn’t have enough power… Which one of these two will loosen up brake calipers? Thank you
What would you recommend for a guy that isn’t invested in any cordless impact tools? I’m working a lifted one ton 80s 4x4 and daily drivers.
Isn't the m18 a mid torque impact?.... gotta get myself one from Santa Claus...lol
Great channel
The M18 shown here is the new compact. 250ft.lbs. The previous video highlights the new Mid-Torque, 650ft.lbs or torque.
What are the model numbers for the two stubbys?
My stubby is never far away. M12 is anExcellent tool
The good generic batteries on Amazon are basically just as good as the name-brand batteries at a fraction of the price
Found a vid last night and they were unloosening nuts at 450 lbs
Where did you find the boot to the mid torque gun. The gen3
Bought the boot from Acme tools.
@@MrSubaru1387 thank you sir
Please help!! mr Subaru hope all is well I’m having a issue and wanted to know your thoughts. Have a 09 Forster automatic and my issue is whenever I step on the gas I hear a whistling noise or a whiny noise. Doesn’t do it all the time and the more I hit the gas the more high pitch it gets. doesn’t slip or shift hard just wander if you have heard of this happening I know it’s hard to give a answer but anything is greatly appreciated.
I would start with checking fluids maybe old power steering fluid?
You should run the HO batteries with those impacts. It helps a bit with the torque.
I got m12 1/2 and 3/8 stubby, 2 ratchets, cut off tool, dremel, i need right angle impacts and the right angle die grinder!
Where did u purchase your 3/8 m18 stubby boot cover ?
Acme tools
my m12 1/2 in gun took my crank bolt of no problem with the rad removed.
Hope my 3/8 can do the same when I do my timing chain & phasers..lol..
Not sure why you're saying that the M12 stubby isn't good for suspension fasteners as it can certainly handle those, unless they're super rusted and seized or on larger trucks and such. You just have to make sure to use fresh higher capacity batteries. Its only main limitation is access to fasteners in tight spots.
Whats the point of this m12 tool when they make the surge version?
that big butt battery on the M18 Stubby may get itself stuck in tight areas
You look like the golfer Justin Leanord with a beard.
No clue who that is. Haha.