Are Steam Machine Game Consoles Worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Steam Machines are finally here, and we're ready for dat sweet Steam experience in the living room. But is it everything we had hoped for?...
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Now that the Steam Deck is our I kind of want to see Valve try the Steam Machine idea again.
I agree, if they made it quite a bit more powerful than the steam deck and used the new Steam OS while also having a desktop mode, that would be so cool
just do an all amd mitx build and grab a steam os 3.0 build
While I would love to see Valve explore the Steam Machine concept again, I think Valve needs to further iterate SteamOS first. While SteamOS 3.4.x is undeniably better than the original SteamOS, and some of the complaints in this video were addressed, some of them have not been.
I think a big part of why the Steam Deck is proving to be more successful than the Steam Machine is because the hardware gimmick (I say with all due love) sufficiently differentiates itself from a normal console and normal PC and thus justifies itself more because of it.
At this stage I think Valve should focus on the Steam Deck and getting its teething issues ironed out. Once they do that (most likely by the second iteration of the Steam Deck) then I think the stage will be set to revisit the Steam Machine.
@@blendpinexus1416 *"just do an all amd mitx build and grab a steam os 3.0 build"*
Except you're missing the whole point of the Steam Machine to begin with.
@@pieceofschmidtgamer well steam isn't offering a modern steam machine. so that's my take.
Excellent review. I was worried when the video started out that the box was given to you by Dell, that you hold back the negative comments but you pulled no punches. That's awesome
Most of our hardware is provided by the manufacturer. It's never affected what we have to say about it.
+LinusTechTips Like a boss.
+LinusTechTips And this is why you get Mad respect. thank you for every review you do.
+LinusTechTips do you get to keep the shit you get?
+Project Gaming afaik. sometimes yes sometimes the manufacturer asks them back (especially after a bad review. jk.)
coming back to this after his early impressions of the steam deck. valve REALLY did a fantastic job with the deck, it seems. super excited for it, and very happy to see they're not making the same mistakes they did with these weird-ass hybrids.
im using the alienware alpha currently and i find this video somewhat offensive...
Given the obvious comparisons between the Steam Deck and the Switch, the Steam Machine was basically Valve's Wii U. At a glance, I think one of the issues about the Steam Machine was that it appealed to a niche that didn't really exist. The user experience looks unpolished compared to a more traditional console and given that Proton didn't exist yet the amount of Steam games you could even run on this thing would have been much more limited, something not everyone might realize. Given the success of the Steam Deck I wonder if Valve will give the Steam Machine idea another try.
@@EpicB I hear their next product is going to be another vr headset, this time to compete with meta quest.
As for steam machine, I think that's what the upcoming dock is supposed to address, similar to how the nintendo switch utilises a dock to turn from a handheld prtable into a tv console. After all, from using a cheapo usb hub to output to a tv, the UI definitely scales appropraitely and works well as a console for me, but is defenitely a messy solution for now.
God, I remember buying the windows version of the Alpha back in 2014/2015. I had just started my new post high school job at Walmart and was getting way more hours. I saw this little machine at my store for $400 or so, and went with my girlfriend at the time to spend my whole check on it. My parents were out of town so I she was staying at my house and I remember her falling asleep on the couch while I was playing with my first ever gaming capable PC. That weekend and beyond facilitated a lot of PC gaming fun, and I held onto that thing for years. It was so compact I could take it anywhere with a screen (and frequently did) and I even had my first VR experiences on it (luckily low frame rates don't make me motion sick). I had so many good memories with this thing. It kills me that I sold it to help pay for my current build. I wish I had kept that little box of memories. It wasn't just an underpowered gaming PC to me, it represents some of the best memories I have to this day. I'll never forget you Alienware Alpha.
This is why I’m never selling my PS4.
Don’t worry man. Having the console back wouldn’t do anything. It’s the memories that will always stick with you :)
Really? With a 960m?
awesome I'm glad you had positive memories to remember.
well any object can have good memories, so it’s not the object that’s important
Essentially the same conclusion everyone sensible has said from the start. The concept is flawed. I dont even know why they green lit it.
The concept itself is good, it's the execution that's flawed.
also valve is doing the same thing that the CDI did having other components make the hardwar wich failed hard.
The concept was good, and when they started, i thought that steam was going to build an amazing platform for converting a pc into a great gaming vonsole and smart tv platform, then they showed an OS very ubuntu like with a simpler steam client and i was like :/
+Beef Ingot the concept is about as sound as it gets (PC games in your living rooms). The execution needs work.
Keep in mind 3 years from now we'll be on the 3rd or so iteration of Steam machines, while ps4 and xb1 will be exactly as they exist today.
+flukshun So you need to buy a new Steam Machine every year? That's a hell of an advantage over other consoles.
Seriously, don't you clean your stuff before filming it? This looks terrible with all the dust on it
Of course we do, so that should give you some idea of what a dust magnet this (and any glossy plastic surface) is
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+LinusTechTips that linus heit!!$@%@!@
Rekt
+coldsoup49 that should be a map..
If you're seeing this in 2018 or later; the "steam machines" come with windows. It's called an Alienware Alpha. No more trying to find linux compatible games.
Xersys maybe some of us like that challenge vs the "Windows experience"
@@PearComputingDevices Well then you probably shouldn't buy a Steam Machine, you'd build your own PC, put whatever Linux distro you wanted, and run Steam in big picture mode. Thus, the Steam machines are still not worth it.
@@narwhal4304 absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree.
Thats what i was saying, thank you. But it was available before, it was hard to get to, I originally only used the pc side to play games and stream shows to RUclips and Twitch. Still do...
they dont exist anymore
What a great time to watch those old videos again
at 8:07 "buy me FO4 for sex"
xD
Damn dude, if he wanted it that bad its so easy to just get a game off the internet these days without buying, and he can avoid std's while he is at it. XD
+14supersonic but then wouldn't his right hand be getting it for him (mouse hand)?........
+krus gangurde good eye lol
+14supersonic He prefers sexual infections rather than computer infections.
It's like saying whats the point in recycling ? It's harder to do, why bother doing it?
Valve knows what it's doing and why, microsoft had one too many bad decisions so they wanted independence in a way. It would be nice if you, as a channel with a quite a number of followers, would at least mention it or support opensource and valve's linux leap at least in that fashion. Guess it's too much to ask
I don't understand what you're saying?
+LinusTechTips I think he's saying that you're making steam machines look bad because of valves decision of going with Linux and that you should complement valve for doing so but has a long way to go to improve it somewhat.
that's all I can make up from his statement lol
+LinusTechTips Linus Army? I don't understand either
+LinusTechTips I think he is arguing that supporting Linux and opensource is akin to recycling, in that it may be harder to do, but it is better for everyone overall.
While I think your review was fair Linus, a heck of a lot of people seem to question the validity of the existence of SteamOS and Linux, as if it needs to be the best or immediately useful to warrant itself. Which is not necessarily a wrong train of thought, but then again, the Canucks don't have to argue their reason for existing as a team just because they can't beat the Maple Leafs head to head ;-) #canadianlogic
+Britt Yazel For the first part, I sort of agree. maybe OP can clarify lol
I listened to this video once while tired at my desk, fell asleep and woke up in the middle of the Siberian wilderness, bare chested, and fighting seventeen grizzly bears, I actually won the fight and earned the grizzly's respect, we are now all very good friends, shoot pool and drink vodka together regularly, videos can be a powerful influence, thanks Linus!
the other bears clapped when u beat him right?
fatfatty
what is this story ??
Ok
Bears drinkin and playin?reminds me of that painting of dogs playin poker 😊
There aren't enough people like you in the world, nuff said.
The volume issue is a complete bullshit, I not only used one of these but checked some other viewers videos.
If you run this thing under a serious load and play demanding games it sounds like a fucking Jet engine.
That is not good.
but proto..... Idk I just wanted to say that 😂 plus I love your Pokemon theories so I had to
ProtoMario it will not effect u if u have headset u will be fine it is normal
But proto
I'll stick to Windows :)
+cigarobsession Me too, however steam os / linux could be big in future. I mean look at steam back in 2003, pretty much everyone disliked it, but look at it now...
+P3rttiz in 10 years it will be the default game platform... let's start waiting XD
+P3rttiz Sure, it will probably be, eventually, but as far as I can see, being an early adopter won't give you anything but questionable bragging rights.
+P3rttiz I don't see people switching from Windows to Linux unless a future version of Windows literally bans games. Why switch when windows is perfectly fine for the vast majority of gamers?
+coblade14 Perhaps Linux offers a more enjoyable user experience than Windows to certain people. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I take a fps hit in games to have a interface and platform that better fits my workflow
Holy crap...
Why should anyone buy a Steam Machine if they could simply build or buy a small-formfactor gaming pc with Windows on it and launch BigPicure mode?
- Upgradeability
- Windows
- Probably price
FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone Linus mentioned it is marketed for curious console gamer with disposable income.
H Koizumi probably
*stupid curious console gamer with disposable income
Prebuilt and convenience. Just like why would anyone go to 7-Eleven and buy milk for 100 times more when they could go to the grocery store. Windows 10 has built in adobe flash that can't be uninstalled. Mac and Lenix does not pre-install flash and make it impossible for you to remove
+FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone You would be perfectly right for anything over $400. Below that, though, the used/refurbished Alienware Alpha market dominates. You can pick up a refurbished Alpha for less than $400, which includes Windows and an Xbox controller with dongle. A compact system with an i3, a mobile 750 Ti, an Xbox controller, and a copy of Windows for less than $400? Sign me up!
+FusionGFX - Professional GFX for everyone This is just a Barebones pc with a dedicated OS or controller. Look at the gygabyte brix, intel nuc (iris version), or the msi cubi. Same things with the same upgrade potential as a this steam machine. They are expensive, don't play game great, great little computers, VERY low TDP, and mostly loud! Oh and as expensive as a full on build ha. It's just fun to play with. Built one for my mom with a celeron quad core, ssd, 4gb memory, win 7, and she loves how tiny it is. Only cost $230 dollars after tax too! Got mid 6's in windows performance score besides graphics got 5.2 ha. It was the celeron version and she just checks email. But only 10 watt TDP, boots in 8 sec, and mounts behind her screen! They all have their place :) some just cost a lot and fans rev up like hell to play unreal 3 engine games.. haa
so basically they took the shittyest aspects of the PC and made it into an overpriced console..
Dude Suh its Alienware so what DO you expect
They took Linus' budget gaming-PC and built it into a production unit...
Yep, the worst of both worlds. When companies release products like this, it's hard to take them seriously.
danny boy yeah lol
still better than my PC :/
It doesn't run Windows though
Nevermind actually
im out of data so cant watch the video lol, is this a computer?
Abhisek Shrestha Fake and gay
+Abhisek Shrestha gake and fay
there aren't enough people justifying linux to linus in the comments
+LNGA far from technically true, but the rest of the benefits are irrelevant for the vast majority of users... so effectively true, rofl
and the market for this hardware is slim, so slim it's almost non-existent
+LNGA well this video was specific to SteamOS. The greater Linux ecosystem has tons to offer, mainly of which being an arguably better user experience with Gnome or KDE, customization, stability, and tons of transparency.
I'm à Linux user and lover for years now. And I can safely say : Linux will never be a good choice over Windows for gaming use. Even X, the display system, is an old and heavy bunch of crap...
There's a whole lot of cases where Linux is better than Windows. But for a gaming experience, it simply isn't.
+jamesassbag the joke went over your head
I'll be fully honest, Steam Machines are really not worth it. Either get a PC or a Console. Or why not both.
+Amusix "why not both" because you could use that money to get better PC. Or other more useful things, like coke and hookers.
+Amusix That's what I did. A couple years ago I bought a PS3 and built a PC. I always have something to play thanks to the backwards compatibility of both systems.
+Rafał Sobczyk I like the way you think
+Rafał Sobczyk I like your style, friend.
Personally I think the only reason to get a Console is Racing Games, multiplayer games and exclusives. That's it.
Who’s here after they announced the steam deck!
me
Hello there
ive been here when the video came OUT. still using this machine.
Inb4 linus just wanted more exposure on these old videos
Linus, would you not say that Linux has a future in gaming though? Does it not make more sense for OEMs to stop their dependency on Windows and run on a popular open source OS? There for then leading more developers and graphics card manufacturers to Linux? I think the point of Steam OS was to create a movement, a movement away from Windows dependency and lead developers into a more free and open software environment. Or am I wrong?
+Al2leKill You aren't wrong.
+Al2leKill Not till Vulkan comes out and is tried, tested and performs at least as well as DX12 and AMD and NVIDIA optimize for it.
+Al2leKill if you think of it like this,
android is linux based ... android is a better gaming platform ... linux wins
lol
+Aakash khatu Android wouldn't be very good performance wise
+Al2leKill you are absolutely right. but that's not the point of the review. if you want to "star a movement" towards linux, you can't just throw out dodgy stuff like this. in addition to all the issues linues has mentioned, it also performs like crap compared to win 7/10 (on proper gaming hardware, of course). add to this how badly implemented it is on a steam machine just, it makes people not even want to consider linux as a gaming OS. so if anything, the steam boxes and team OS have so far done the exact opposite of what you are saying...
The limitations when it comes to non-gaming functions is an interesting, and often forgotten, point. Gaming consoles are used for much more than just gaming nowadays; they are essentially all in one entertainment systems. Frankly the fact that Steam OS doesn't support apps such as Netflix is a major detractor, especially if it's trying to compete with Sony or Microsoft.
+Peter Tutykhin Is non-gaming functions that important? Xbox One has much more function than a PS4 and sold a lot less! If people want to watch netflix on a TV they already have a smartTV, chromecast, setup box or a console that support it.
I understand that convenience is the best way to keep the consumer in one platform but for a gaming system i don't think it's important
+Zetta It didnt sell alot les in the US, the only place those extra functions work properly. Maybe if they did in the rest of the world it would make a difference.
You can use linux to watch netflix.
+Peter Tutykhin interesting point...if Steam machines could also provide Android TV functionality like the Nvidia Shield that would be really nice. Even more games, and media functionality that actually gives it an edge over Windows build...
Not sure Android TV on x86 is a thing though. But that would be killer.
+Zetta But the functions the PS4 does have (Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc.) are more than enough for most users. Hell, the Xbone's biggest feature selling points were the Kinect (which is all but dead and consumers saw through that gimmick immediately) and TV/DVR integration (which is rapidly dying at this point).
Would be a good segue into an ad sponser for "Best Data and Video Recovery Tool of 2023"...
Just sayin'!
I bought an i3 alpha in 2015 for $399 from Walmart. It was my first “gaming pc” and was actually a pretty great way to get into pc gaming. I have since built a much more powerful pc, but still appreciate the alpha for making it easy for me to get into pc gaming
do you still have the steam machine? do you want to sell it?
@@bakedsauerkraut8571 I wish. Sold it to a friend that needed a cheap gaming PC. He was still using it last I talked to him.
@@DisappointedScroshThe Steam Machine idea still lives on for me. Got my own steam machine on my TV with my steam controller. Hope these make a proper return some day with the same ideas as the deck.
linus looks like a young micheal bolton
+Ajay Bharadwaj Holy shit...
+Ajay Bharadwaj He should make a video destroying that router he's been struggling with in the middle of a field with a baseball bat.
+Angel Christov don't forget to do it in slow motion
+Ajay Bharadwaj
When he's sick he sounds like one too
lol
"His presence on Earth raises many questions" - Dare I ask?
How has no one replyed to this it’s been 5nyears
Love the Linus getting hacked premium content
For real
2019 steamplay added so nearly 50%+ of all windows titles that are on the steam store also play on the SteamOs. I honestly hope Valve tries again. atleast with a operating system update/release.
That's what i think they're gonna do when Proton will be ready.
@@azarilh2355 Once BattlEye and Easy Anti-Cheat are working they will I reckon. Also more games like RDR2.
And now we have the Steam Deck
steam deck: bonjour
Predicted the steam deck
2:20. Woah what happened.
Edit: Probably the best review you guys have done.
+SirCrest lolol
+EposVox you're verified so u must be famous
+SirCrest HE STATED CRACK IN THE BEGINNING THAT IT'S "NOT A REVIEW"
u sir, r a thug
Tom and Jaree :p
Wow this hack is crazy hope you guys get all your videos back. ❤
What is going on at valve
It seems that their idea team list looks like the following:
Professional
Cabin
Smart person who has the community at heart
The realist
that perfectionist
That inexperienced idiot who thought ending half life 2 episode 2 on a cliff hanger, buffing the phlog and creating cs:go sprays that only have 50 uses were a good ideas
And the inexperienced idiot is in charge
Hanro Lareman Retweet about the phlog buff. That shit made me rage quit multiple times.
Linus trying new tech tips he found online ☠️
I think this review is rather out of date. Both of the bugs mentioned by Linus - the keyboard issue and the library search issue - have already been fixed. I think it is unfair to review a product running beta testing software without making allowance for that. The real question is would a customer purchasing the product today experience these problems? As far as I can see they wouldn't so what's the point in mentioning them?
+Stephen Bingham Well that's like saying when you bought your car from the dealership and as soon as you drove it off the lot the tires wobbled, the steering wheel went far left and only one windshield wiper worked. Sure, when you then took it back and they fixed the car you no longer have those problems but having those problems should still be mentioned. For the audience these consoles are aimed at the problems it had would be a huge turn off. Most console people want their console to turn on and dive into their games if they want to browse games they can play they want to easily see that. The review is of where steam said OK our product ready for review. You can't then be like JK wait let us fix those problems first. Also that's OS's for you they change,update and adapt quickly and info tends to get outdated.
+Kensung I don't think you have understood the situation. Valve/Dell sent out review units of these machines weeks ago. I presume that Linus received one of these. They were running a beta-testing version of the system software - SteamOS. The final version of SteamOS was only released a few days before they were made available to the general public - about 7 days ago. Is it not obvious that beta-testing software will have a few bugs? That's the whole point of a beta-testing programme. What's important is whether or not the customers who actually buy these devices will experience these problems. If the bugs have been fixed, why should anyone care?
+Stephen Bingham well then blame valve and dell for releasing review units with unfinished software, what was Linus to do, sit on his hands until the final software relase....
+Pedro Bretones, it is perfectly normal for companies to release "preview" versions of tech items for review. Other reviewers seemed to have no difficulty understanding that this was beta software. I believe that it is normal for companies to provide briefing notes for the reviewers. Perhaps Linus simply didn't read them.
+Stephen Bingham You have a point. If that was the case, perhaps Linus should have mentioned it in the review. He did not. Maybe Linus is anti valve or Linux? I think not. Are there any reviews out there with the "final" and fixed version of steam os? If so, have other problems like user experience issues, specifically exclusive content been addressed? And for the money, will I be able to use this as a pc? How difficult is the learning curve if that is the case? Because to move a pc into the living room and provide a console experience, it should be a seamless straight forward process to access any and all features. Otherwise, why did valve even vie for the living room space? Is there another agenda here? Or two? Please for the love of all that is good, explain this to me!
"SteamOS has NOTHING that doesn't run on the core Steam client" - while I see where you're coming from w/ the Halo and Xbox example, one of the core tenets of PC gaming is that we don't want platform exclusives. SteamBox is the opposite - ANYTHING can run on PC and now a console (well, as support develops). A SteamBox exclusive would be HUGELY polarizing and problemmatic for the community.
The rest of the points are decent.
If valve wanted to sell more steamboxes, they'd release half life 3 on it.
5:27 i thought this was the end of the video and an ad was coming
OOOOOHHHHHH YEEEEAAAHH
So did I
i love my steam controller, its so good, i dont know what is everybody complaining about
+Sawier but i agree that the steam machine is stupid idea, they should stick with just link and controller
+Dyinobal I use a ps4 controller on link, its great
+Sawier and even fans have yet to really put motion-based aiming to good use. it's so natural... can't believe consoles haven't added this basic feature yet.
+flukshun well nintendo's Splatoon has motion aiming.
+flukshun they probably haven't implemented it because most gamers can't be bothered to lift the controller from their crotch.
That, and moving a controller around while gaming is annoying. I just want to get comfortable and sit motionless for a couple hours why my fingers do the work. The more I have to move, the more removed I am from the game world. I don't want to be me moving, I want to be Master Chief, or Lara Croft.
Ahh, Linus... There actually already is a filter for your operating system... if you hover over the "Games" tab in the store, then at the very bottom it has:
"Browse by platform:
Mac OS X
SteamOS + Linux"
This aged well.
It's basically a severely crippled console/PC hybrid. Seriously, WTF were they thinking?
never been this quick to watch ltt video, life complete :)
+FinnishDude Agreed.
I, as a linux user, thinks this video is more fair than I thought it would be.
Android is Linux, PS3/PS4/iOS/Apple TV is based on FreeBSD. I don't see why linux supporter would actually be angry on comments linus made. Platform choice isn't really revalent, it's how valve deliver their product and market it.
You are right and I agree with you. The software still needs fine-tuning for that great out of box experience that everyone is looking for. .... Linux is the gaming future. He even said he loved the android one and android is based off Linux. I thought he would know that by being a tech show and all.
+Nyap ya keep dreaming linux fangirl already said that for almost 10 year
I can change the color of the Alienware logo? Wow I'm sold.
They should have used their money and time to work on Half-Life 3. That's what you get Valve, for not working ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS!
+Urban Chaos 2.0 Most likely they are waiting for the next leap in tech to use in the game. Think of it, HL1 introduced better 3D graphics, HL2 introduced the new physics engine. Wait until virtual reality is available more, as I guess that is what HL3 will focus on.
+Andrew Dorcas Also they are waiting for Vulkan (aka mantle 2.0) now that the dx11 gen is ending. This will also make steam machines more console like optimized and bring a ton of ports over to steamOS in the future.
+Urban Chaos 2.0 valve didnt work on this or the controller or the gui. It was a completely different team that is outsourced by alien ware. Steam OS was actually a gui based on the compatibility of the alienware console with an average 360 controller. The gui was made about 4 years ago. The controller was designed also by that same team that dell had working on the alienware console. granted all work was dont in house and in valves workshop but this was for secrecy.
+Urban Chaos 2.0, maybe that'll be what pushes SteamOS and Steam Machines into the spotlight: a game exclusive that everyone has been waiting for. Would Steam Machine sales increase if they had an exclusive game like HL3?
derklempner Interesting thought, that would most likely raise sales.
I can't look at that controller it just looks so derpy to me
Ikr! xD
+Skylake Leafy It feels derpy too.
+Skylake Leafy Looking at it online I thought it'd look bad but when I bought my own it looked really nice, much better in person, and I much prefer using my steam controller then my PS4 controller on my desktop for gaming :P
+Chloe WolfieGirl i would doubt that xD ps4 controller is way better than that steam thing
Skylake Leafy You can't really doubt someone's preference. It's their choice!
The sad thing is you could get a windows pc and boot straight into big picture mode and it is better since it can run the windows compatible games....
I really wish Valve would just fix their U.I. already. That should have been a priority I think. It's an even bigger priority now with Steam Proton.
You could also get a Nvidia shield TV box and use GeForce now with it and it would blow this thing out of the water.
jesus christ i forgot this was so long ago
I found a simpler solution to play steam games in my living room, since I'm lucky enough that my PC room is just next to the living room. I passed a 15' HDMI cable and a 15' USB hub cable from my PC room to the living room. I then installed a cheap keyboard and mouse there to control the PC, plus a Xbox controller dongle. Under a 100$ operation and I have everything I want from my PC, in my living room.
You just recommended buying a windows license in a review of Steam OS, I think you miss the point. Linux is a better OS, its open source, more secure, mostly free, fast, more customizable and not controlled by a big corporation, but big companies do not develop for it. Why? Because people like you do not even give it a chance because more software currently works with Windows. How are developers meant to be encouraged to make more software and games for Linux when there are people like you who do not even give it a chance.
Jade ok More developers don't develop for Linux because it isn't a better OS. It is just another OS, and one that's a lot less user friendly to those who do not use Linux on daily basis. Yes, you can make it act and feel like Windows or Mac but the most useful features are accessible only in shell which resembles DOS more than any other OS. While that's great for some people, it isn't to a huge majority. As far as your comment regarding big corporations, those donate a lot to the open source community, they help it thrive so don't assume that just because a corporation is big that it should be hated. And on the topic of open source, it has it's down sides too, like getting support for a problem may take a LOT longer than when you are dealing with a big corporation. As far as your security comment goes, while true somewhat, no OS is full proof. Both Windows and Mac OS(Linux based) have gotten better at security. I remember the days when Mac community claimed to be unhackable...turns out they were just as susceptible as the other guys.
+Jade “ghgghghjh” ok "Linux is a better OS"
Stupid statement. "better" is entirely dependent on what you use it for. If you're doing C# development, you're dead wrong.
***** Windows scrub. Hah!
Try a real man's OS sometime. Like BSD.
+Jade ‘ghgghghjh’ ok it depends what you've been used for. I'm not seeing myself going to Linux even reading about the benefits. And not all games are supported on it. Sorry it's not going to happen
+Jade “ghgghghjh” ok It's a better OS, without a doubt when coming from a programmer or a developer's point of view. But it just doesn't have the support that Windows does. There's a reason the partition of my SSD holding Gnome sits there doing nothing 90% of the time.
I can see the next generation of this, following a lot of Linus' suggestions (or list of complaints) and making it great in the future. Excellent review.
Yup the next generation is beautiful
Aged gracefully :)
Here when hacked
While the console would have all the benefits of a pc if people knew how to use linux, that isn't the point, because if you want to use it as a linux computer, then why didn't you just buy a pc to begin with? The idea behind the steam machine is that it's supposed to be a console, at the very least, and it can't even do that.
a special console for special people
A handheld gaming pc would be a better idea.......
The only way this would really have worked is by getting proper support for games being developed for Linux and OpenGL first. Then launching SteamOS along with the finalisation of the new interface and their custom engineered controller. After that, you can get all your little things on the hardware side sorted (like pre-built systems).
Just wanna say I've had my Alpha since February 2015 and it's definitely way more capable than you might expect. I went for the i5 model, replaced the HDD with an SSD and it's very quiet and runs apps and games really well. Highly impressed given the form factor and pricing. Though I think as a Steam machine it's not great value because you're paying the same price but not getting Windows with it.
i agree. i have the one that came with windows. And i put windows 10 on it upgraded the ram. And play most games that i throw at it. Im actually really happy with mine.
+Tutbrushy Tutbrus awwww did you have a bad day? Did your mom not make you your mac and cheese?
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3:59 wtf do you mean "it has no underscore"? you press the shift key, then what used to be the dash key turns into an underscore key. just like a normal keyboard, dude.
also, not only does it have two tilde keys, it has two forward slashes, and two backward slashes as well :P
however, it's not missing anything from a normal keyboard.
That wii hilbilly couple killed me. Love it.
" waving a weird dildo around " lmfao
I think this is a product that will get better with time. Linux support is getting better and better. It's moving closer and closer to conquering the desktop market.
Valve completely shit the bed with these "steam machines". Could've developed a game instead of wasting time on these prebuilt garbage cans
Half Life 3 could've been confirmed
+Salty der Regenmacher I for one am glad they are promoting Linux as a gaming platform.
+Salty der Regenmacher If they had more AAA titles and some good marketing, along with a bit more fine tuning of the experience I think something like this could capture decent share of the console market. Of course its not going to get anyone who is willing to build there own rig, but I don't think Valve though that anyway.
+Salty der Regenmacher - What would Valve do if Microsoft decided to run them out of business? Now they have a fallback plan. No matter what Microsoft does they can survive.
If valve built a console just for half life 3
Is a Steam Machine part of the PC Master Race or the Console Peasents?
+Amusix steam machine... fairly sure thats something far back in the past...
+zchr Steam Machine*
+Amusix failed baby of both
+Amusix That's an easy one: Does steam require 60 bucks a year to play online and calls it a feature?
I mean sure, it has it's limitations, but the playerbase isn't getting needlessly shafted...yet.
+Amusix Worst of both worlds.
I'm still going to watch this and enjoy it, but I wanted to drop my dissatisfaction that you have TWO ADS in your video. A RUclips ad and then a sponsor ad.
OK, but still.. Good video.
+Multiplayer Dungeon Sorry, make that three ads.
+Multiplayer Dungeon the first ad is skippable
+Definally Not Hunter Not all the time.
Ad blockers pull revenue from the content creator. I don't use them because I'm happy to allow creators to make money from their videos. My issue comes from how many there are in this particular video. I feel like he should have chosen to monetize the video or utilize sponsors, but not both.
+NOT BOT Doesn't matter much considering youtubes pulling ads off nearly everyone regardless
While I agree that SteamOS would definitely get more adoption with an exclusive title, it would be a shot in the hand for Valve to do this since they wouldn't sell nearly as many games or products and thus wouldn't recoup development costs. It seems to me that Valve should take hold of Linux's open potential and allow developers and users alike use it in some way that they can't use Windows. They could possibly fork the Steam client for Linux to take advantage of its features, such as cgroups, to make it faster than its Windows variant. Tight integration with Wayland and efficient use of Vulkan would also improve performance. If Valve can update SteamOS in this way, it's possible that they and Dell can make the Alienware steam machine competitive with other consoles for the duration of its lifespan.
After I owned a steam controller and my friends doesn't agreed with some factors about the design or something that will really ruin the thing I just bought
Still better than any Mac
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Not better than My MacBook Pro 2017 15inch
Wow , A Gamer Girl
No, I own a mac and a BEAST of a windows computer but windows breaks more , crashes more often and loads slower (even with much better specs). Windows however is meant much more for gamers. (but macs are not made to game with) So it can't even come close to a mac. I only wish mac made a gaming computer.
or windows to make an optimized, light operative sistem
Until game developers stop using DirectX and start using OpenGL instead, Linux will *never* be a platform that can be used for premium games. DirectX will always be the preferred engine of choice, either because that's what the game developers are used to using, are lazy, or are too stubborn to change. They aren't realising that Linux is becoming a much better place for gaming these days. The fact that OpenGL works on both Linux AND Windows confuses me as to why game developers aren't making the switch already. Unless there's some kind of influence or financial reward that they get for building using DX...who knows.
The games that do run on Linux though (I use Linux exclusively now, but still have to maintain a Windows install for those games that don't work under Linux) are really good, work really well, and granted that NVIDIA's closed-source drivers are a bit flaky and all over the place (and AMD's are even worse), once this gets sorted out (which I'm also hoping that with Valve shipping Steam Machines using said NVIDIA chips will influence the NV developers to sort this out), Linux will be a top notch gaming experience like Windows which has dominated the PC gaming market for so long.
Then, and only then, will gaming under Linux, and devices running SteamOS, have a good place in the gaming market. Until then, this machine's price tag is so far over the top for something that won't play the latest titles, something that most people buying this will want to be able to do.
Because directx is easier to use and has less problems, and has a few features that opengl doesn't support
+iTzPrime Ya that's why project vulkan is a thing. Create an API that has all the features devs want but has no OS specific nature to it. If it ever takes off linux gaming will be a viable thing.
+Dan Jones OpenGL will soon support directx emulation, and they have always competed with eachother for features, each one adding the features that the other comes out with first. Keep in mind OpenGL has been around a LOT longer than directx and works on every platform you can think of. Hello, iOS, Android, what do u think they use? directx? i don't think so.
+iTzPrime thank you Microsoft employee for telling me that directX is better. In 5 years no one will use Directx because direct X only works on Windows while OpenGL works on every platform imaginable.
+saiyate If OpenGL gets a working DX emulation then this would be a *massive* step forward for those running Linux. Or hell, even OSX. Even if the games weren't natively built for Linux, I've heard of a few random success stories of people trying to coerce Windows games to run under Linux using Wine (I myself lack the time and patience to try this out, but I think if you fiddle around with it enough, you can get GTA V working in Linux). If OpenGL can figure this all out, and keep on top of the new DX releases, this entire argument goes away more or less as it becomes irrelevant what operating system you're using.
best just getting a pc!!
Young linus bring back our old linus 😅😅😅
This run out of steam
for playing games in the living room, I prefer buying PS4
for playing games on steam (or other retail PC games) I prefer using my trusty desktop PC :3
In my opinion Steam OS needs a lot of improvements, this is true. But I also read a lot of comments saying "Linux suscks bla bla bla", but Linux have nothing to do with Steam OS apart for the fact that the second is based on the first! Also, in my opinion, it's too early to talk about the future of Steam Machines. Look at Android. When Android was released there was a lot of negative reviews, but now it's the top mobile OS!
Seeing how good the Steam Deck and SteamOS 3.0 seem to be, I think Valve is in a great place to take another crack at a home console
And then there’s the Valve index
I still have my Alpha R1 and I am personally very excited to load SteamOS 3.0 on it to see how it performs. I will probably load Manjaro up soon, just to give it a go. Good times.... Very excited for the Steam Deck. Come on "after Q2 2022"! 😂
Man that's actually super cool! I don't know anyone who bought a Steam Machine, but installing a new build of Steam OS on an old machine is a cool idea.
protip: wipe off your display table/clear plastic; looks terrible with dust on it
+Samuel Grund The console also looked all scratched up and dusty too.
Stoneysilence also that. Looks like it was rushed :p
i got all this and more by buying a gaming laptop. it was a good move back into pc gaming with the added flexibility to have my own screen when in the living room
I recommend Steam Machine consoles because you don't have to worry about wasting tons of money on home and handheld game consoles that come out every year. For example, I live in a small house and I don't have enough room for any more consoles. I am bored to death with Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft because you have to pay to play online for a month or a year nonstop. Steam is better because you don't have to pay to play online for a month or a year. You can play online for free on it, but you will still need to pay for your internet service. Every year, Sony, Mircrosoft and Nintendo's consoles keep going out of style every year and you have to keep spending tons of money on next-gen PlayStations, Xboxes and Nintendos nonstop until your house is full of nothing but clutter. Steam is game-downloadable only because you don't have to worry about stacking copies of games on shelves nonstop.
Why not just make Half Life 3 exclusive to Steam OS? That would rake in the people and the cash.
+Kealan more exclusives no we don't need that, exclusives only make you buy a useless console jsut for that is crap.
+Kealan Also because they have pretty much said there won't be a Half Life 3
Yea you guys are all right, especially on the point of the last thing we need is more exclusives. The idea was only hypothetical, not one I was saying should happen. It was only a money making idea. Cheers :)
I just ordered one with the Black Friday sale. Totally worth it
lilman227 I saw that sale, did you get i3,i5, or i7?
lilman227 which version?
lilman227
lilman227 how is it worth it i got the i7 and it works terribly
change the hard drive to an SSD.
UPDATE: This is SECOND BEST Tech Tip Channel on all of RUclips. It has to be. All the others claim to be NUMBER ONE!!
so watching it now, steam OS is back and android consoles never happened
Ouya
Not that it was any good
Ohh I thought this was a desktop PC capable of doing everything a nice windows PC can. But its just a console for steam.
Actually there is a version of this that can do that
Yeah its called a fucking PC.
morgan freeman
No. It's the red version of this one😂
I bought the i7 steam machine and got rid of linux and installed Windows 10. It works exactly like a regular desktop. And it comes with games and a unique controller.
Cody Forsberg did you just change the Hard Drive?
Linus sounds like he lost his voice while going through puberty in this video
Im still using a 1st gen alienware alpha as my main HTPC in 2024. It ended up launching with Windows instead of linux. Its buggy, but keeps on chugging along. I havent been able to upgrade it to Windows 11 yet. Fantastic HTPC though, better than streaming games, access to my steam library, tiny form factor, older games and less demanding indie games run fine.
This is why I got the Alpha instead and loaded it with 7 and an SSD. Throw on an external blu-ray drive and a cheap logitech wireless mk set and bam, you've got yourself a full-featured entertainment hub and respectable lanbox.
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William Scott Webster boo overdone meme
I ALMOST hit the dislike button because for a second I thought you were advocating platform-specific titles.
Rant:
After running a Hackintosh for several years with MORE than adequate hardware (i7 CPU, 32GB RAM, SSD, and Nvidia Geforce starting out - built over 3 years ago), it's the platform specific titles that really hurt my Mac gaming experience when there really wasn't a need for it.
Even Linux gaming (thus SteamOS) has been hindered by Windows-only titles (due to DirectX I presume); while still being available on Xbox 360 and Xbox One - or Playstation 3/4.
We really need to get past all this platform-specific nonsense. Game developers need to realize that there would actually be MORE sales if they just made the title available for ALL consumers - regardless of platform.
bugs18 it's not easy to just make it compatible with windows 7 to 10 (sometimes xp and vista too), linux and mac, it takes time and resources.
It's easier to do if it's built from the ground up using OpenGL rather than DirectX.
And get less performance? OpenGL might be easier to use, compared to DirectX, but in their latest iterations, DX is simply faster. This wouldn't matter to most smaller indie game studios of course, but bigger studios that make AAA titles would want that extra performance.
The future of Linux gaming is Vulkan, not OpenGL. It is open, and it can actually compete with DX12 in performance.
This is the first video that I see in this channel and I'm asking myself: "How's that I didn't founded you earlier?"
Man, you have such a nice opinion about this topics that I'm totally sure that if I'm not agree with what you say I'll still learn something from your videos...
So, I think you earned a new subscriber! :D
I just got a Steam Link and love the hell out of it. Seriously, for $150 you can get a Steam Link and a heavy Powerline kit (for those of us that don't want to run an ethernet cable through walls, or are renting) and voila. And lets me throw the extra $350 I just saved at computer upgrades.
Seems like it isn't the place for this kind of device. They've basically wasted most of their money on this Steam Machine shit, and with no HL3 exclusivity, or whatever, then what is the point?
+14supersonic valve themself did pretty much kill steam machines a while ago. Especially with the Steam Link, which does basicly what the steam machines do, just better. Everyone who has an mid-range or high-end pc is way better of with the 50$ steam link or the nvidia shield tv.
buy a steam machine and put windows :p
I bought a steam machine @ $375 on Amazon (twas only 1 left :D!!!), nuked each of the partitions until all space was unallocated, installed windows 10 on my new 500gb hdd, and set it up for my mom. Honestly, I couldn't imagine her having a pleasant experience with it as it came. I fumbled around with it for maybe an hour before deciding Win 10 Big Picture mode was vastly superior since you at least have a competent operating system to play games on. =D
i cant wait for steam deck yay :D
personally I'd rather just buy a ps4, can't see the sense in buying a pc that's trying to be a console yet is less powerful than the console for a higher price
its actually more powerful than either the xbone or Piss4
they released a version 2 of this machine called the Alpha R2 that runs windows and has much better hardware with the ability to connect any graphics card externally to it. i have one.
@@nickhowatson4745 I know this is a year old, but how stupid do you have to be to not realise that this has way less gaming potential than a PS4? You can’t play any most triple A games on this thing
I Just want to see the steam controller review...
This pretty much sums up my overall opinion for the last 3 years. I have a PC running both Windows and Linux and the respective Steam clients for each, and using the thing on an HDTV works perfectly as a console.
Old video but just bought this.
Why was this recommended to me now?
Because now that Proton exist they can try to make a Steam machine again and a lot more games would be compatible, also, hello from 3 months in the future.
@@leandrogoslean889 hello from 4 months in the future
and years later steam deck!
I watch Netflix on my Steam Machine all the time, just go to the pc mode where it has many more options, I stream from it all the time for our Radio station on the PC side, so it has stream on pc side also, you didnt check much did you.. But you did have some valid points. Thanks for the flap doodle
I would love a "steam machine" as a console setup in my living room. I actually love the design of the boxes. I just wish they were more powerful, now that we are 8 years out. I love the cases, but they'd need to be more upgradable if they revisited this idea. Like the Node 202 was always my preferred console style pc build case. But give it some steam livery.