Storm troopers are known for their accuracy - the joke of their inaccuracy is based on the fact that they DELIBERATELY shot wide of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie on the Death Star, bringing them back to the Millenium Falcon and allowing the escape. The Falcon had a tracker on it, leading the Empire to the Rebel Base on Yavin!
Aaron Ross I was thinking the same thing! Some of the stuff like the doors and vaporators look too nice to be scratch-built. At the least I would like to see build tutorials!
I have also been wondering about the buildings. I would hope that at the very least, parts like the doorways and the moisture vaporators would be available to buy and use within your own buildings.
It is very telling that the Fantasy Flight rep is scrambling to grab more dice from other demos. FF never packages enough, even in their Gen Con demos. 😆
What's a joke, and I thought it was funny originally, but the crap has gone on too long, is the long running trope that Stormtroopers can't hit anything because heroes have plot armor. They made pretty short work of Tantive IV.
Ranges are WAY to long. I also don't understand ffgs aversion to tape measures. Part of the fun of a good miniatures game is to be able to scurry around the edges of unit ranges while setting yourself up. What's the point if almost every unit has the range to shoot over half the table.
Yes. They could have released a rule book with dice, and a whole bunch of new minis and terrain that could be used with either game. Instead they decided to split the market.
Tape measures aren't exact enough. I have enough problems with people not being super precise with firing arcs in xwing. It matters a lot. Tapes allow a lot of variability if not used right. Templates clear it up and add a uniqueness imo
Would like to know about the terrain for this game. Those buildings look really authentic, I wondered if anyone could tell me who made these and whether there is online tutorial available?
I was excited at the thought of a 10-15mm mass combat game that could have reinvigorated the mass battle genre. I would be wholeheartedly behind that. Star Wars skirmish is interesting but I'll "wait and see" before jumping at this one. Custom move sticks are great for X-Wing and Armada for "speed" but a trooper who can move to any point along it, what's wrong with a tape measure?
Would make no sense for Star Wars. Asymmetrical forces is the setting. A skirmish game makes sense for SW, like the one they were building with IA. Not that I liked that game, but it made sense with the theme.
I actually may get into this. Seems simple and that's what appealed to me with X-Wing. The tape measure crap and 4 inch rulebooks are too much for me with the other mini games. This seems elegant.
This game looks really cool. It appears like FFG took the mechanics for Warmachine and Hordes, but added their own dice and rules from Imperial Assault, X-Wing and even their Warhammer Diskwars game (command cards). I can't wait to play this. Anyone know when its being released to the public?
I love the models, and the fact you assemble and paint them like Warhammer, but I'm not a fan of all the special dice, token, and cards. Kind of wish they remastered and re-released the Star Wars mini game with pre-painted miniatures and the chess like board.
Please, Please tell me they will bring Tanks, transporters, different characters or card types to change out or make unique armies like wookies or droids, bounty hunters etc...
If this game goes well and they want to bring in more factions, wave 2 or 3 would be the time to do it, and either they'd throw in Clone Wars stuff, New Trilogy stuff, or a 'Scum Faction' (like they did with X-Wing)
Really want a rulebook, since in this video we get told the dodge tokens just cancel a hit, but the Beasts of War article says they let you re-roll defense dice just like Aim. Re-roll would be much more useful for Luke and Vader's Deflect, for sure.
Hi Scott, I'm the guy in the video providing the demo. Dodge tokens are spent to cancel one regular hit. Aim tokens are spent to reroll up to 2 attack dice. -Tim *just to be clear, I am NOT an employee of Fantasy Flight Games. I am a contractor hired for the purpose of demoing games at GenCon. The knowledge I have is limited to what was provided to me for the purpose of giving demos of this game.
Nothing you did wrong! Just conflicting info from multiple sources! Like in the new Team covenant video we got more about the difference between types of cover and such. But yeah, that video also clarified the dodge token being what you said. But the further addition of Heavy Cover and the Force Reflexes force power makes it all make more sense.
I am going to keep buying both. They are totally different games. My hope is to use IA as a gateway to this game for my friends. I am looking forward to making my own terrain.
1. It'd be cool if you could destroy cover or part of cover with the bigger units. Make it dynamic. 2. It'd be cool if there was an ability on a unit that would allow them to shoot if someone moves into their line of sight. 3. It'd be cool if they had all the dice you needed.
Daniel, you go for it. It looks like a good game and I would have bought it if I didn't already have IA. In fact, I may buy it and then just add all my IA minis to the mix, adding some house rules along the way.
After seeing the play through I'm interested now. I like anything that comes out as a "War game". I want to play WH40k but can't afford it and no one plays War Machine in my experience. However Star Wars, not matter what, usually has a lot of players and from what I've found so far, they're aiming to under cut the competition price wise pretty damn well. From this demo, it looks interesting. I like how different color dice come into the game, that lets the other player know exactly whats up before the roll even happens. Not a fan of the custom measuring units though, I prefer the ol' fashioned tape measure. Custom measures always make me feel like the company is trying to force you to pay an extra buck, especially when the movement measure has a basic number which obviously is not the inch measurement. Still, for the right price, I really might consider giving this a shot.
They should have gone for a bigger scale. I would have liked to see armada style with the focus on base defenses and vehicles with hordes of troops treated like fighters are in star wars armada. If i can't recreate Hoth whats the point!
ive done 3 different versions of star wars minis in the past. After watching this, 8 minutes in I see if i hit someone.... SIGH, I'm glad i play video games now.
TK 2611 yes. It is. Don't listen to the other guy. The best summary is Warhammer with Star Wars. Yes there are upgrades, but come on, it's move shoot, dice, dice dice...
Dude there are plenty of minis games with differences and Warhammer is certainly not the best minis game about. See War Machine, Malifaux, Infinity as some of the more recent games that have taken a large slice of the pie from GW. You sound like a butt hurt child who lives at a Games Workshop outlet. That product and company are just as bad as FFG for me. Both cannabilising their own consumers and putting premium prices on their products.
So basically Josh Smith confirms what Garrett Stewart was saying. The later reply just has more complaining in it on top of calling someone else a butt hurt child. LOL
LOL Rylan that was great. TK, This game is FFG's Warhammer competitor. It is the game that they plan on taking out 40k With. They are offering different factions (I believe 7 were announced to be ready at release) Most of the people in this chat are whining like bitches and its funny to watch grown men cry about their toys. To the gw fanboys, this will take some of the market from GW if FFG's prices their mini's accordingly and offers continued factions updates and new models without ridiculous power creep. To the IA fanboys, since X-Wing has been kicking GW's ass for the last three years they decided to make a multi-faction combat game with tournament level balance so that they could unseat gw. This is a different concept than IA and shouldn't bother that game, what it will do though is take the more competitive players that were more interested in tournaments but didn't want to play warhammer. as a 40k player I will be investing in this, I believe it will be good and the more competition GW has the better the Tabletop industry gets. Also War Machine, Malifaux, and Infinity don't scratch the same itch as warhammer 40k, they are just too different. This game might.
27:23 I swear that was me when someone explained. Magic The Gathering Yu Gi Oh Warhammer Warhammer 40k Dungeons and Dragons Heroscape Algebra 2 I'm pretty sure I was eating when all those things were being explained to me.
They did an episode on BoW on Imperial Assault and the option to do skirmish games with it,....and now they put this on the market. Why not follow up on that skirmish idea? money?...... Looks great though but it's a bit of what we now already....but now it's themed SW. I'm not sure if i will purchase it.....
Oh, absolutely money. The game is a different scale, the minis are hard plastic that you need to assemble to use... And if this follows FFG typical operating procedures, the starter box will give you exactly 1 die per color less than you need to play even the starter game. More or less requiring you to purchase a dice pack if nothing else. Ka-Ching.
hmmmm Not sure i'm really sold on star wars legion. I have all the Imperial assault stuff and this doesn't seem that much different from it.
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This seems more like a boardgame like Imperial Assault or a miniatures game like X-Wing. I was hoping for a pure miniatures wargame like 40K or Infinity.
It looks to me like the movement and unit cohesion of WH40K, the dice of X-wing, maybe the stat cards of Imperial Assault. I don't think it looks half bad, but why would I buy this instead of Imperial Assault? It seems kind of odd to me that FFG is releasing this in direct competition with a game they already make.
Hi, I'm the guy in the video giving the demo! You are correct! Barricades provide heavy cover, not light cover. For the demo, we were using the basic game rules, not always the full rules set, otherwise the demos were going to take substantially longer to run and explain (they already averaged 20-25 minutes, which is rather long for a convention game demo). - Tim *just to be clear, I am NOT an employee of Fantasy Flight Games. I am a contractor hired for the purpose of demoing games at GenCon. The knowledge I have is limited to what was provided to me for the purpose of giving demos of this game.
They made movement and range waaay too complicated. Should have just used tape measures. I'll probably measure the sticks and just use the measurements.
40k meets X wing... Kid's can't afford to play 40k due to the price... sounds like Legion is going to be exactly the same... poor unsuspecting parents...
The command and order system is brilliant! FFG shows how to make a miniature ruleset, too bad its gonna be bloated with upgrades and combos :/ And why couldnt it have been something other then Star Wars
Having played a LOT of Armada and X-Wing, I agree, upgrade cards quickly get out of control for both managing the game and balance. Hopefully each unit (group of dudes) can have a max of 1 upgrade, otherwise you'll have the same thing you see in most X-Wing and Armada games, lots of upgrades of every unit.
pjpaella One upgrade of each type. I found in my two games so far it dramaticly speeds up combat to be fast paced which I enjoy. Regular infantry can just replace a regular guy with a heavy trooper and add a extra regular trooper. Grenades for both sides and targeting scopes for the rebels to give them precise.
wrong daek great time to use my wotc star wars minis and play Warhammer epic scale in its heroic 28 mm(really 30mm) all ready painted goodness and I have the at at
Not exactly mass battles is it? Just another skirmish little different in scale to Imperial Assault. Even using similar dice, really can't see the point in this game.
Why in the world does rebels have better accuracy than stormtroopers? It doesn't take much research to figure out the elite training citizens went through to become imperial stormtroopers, and how accurate they actually was.
Big swing and a miss. Bit of a crap deal for Imperial Assault players and a bit of a wacky scale. Be nice to have seen something that was 15mm or 20mm with 'scale-able' games including skirmish to epic battles. This would've allowed for some interesting uses of vehicles, terrain etc. Although no doubt a smaller scale 'epic' Star Wars miniatures game will appear before too long but the rules and cards will be just slightly different.
Frack. Why did you need to make special movement templates? It's a minis game. Was a TAPE MEASURE too difficult, or was a few pieces of shyte plastic being required that much of a cash grab? OH. And let me guess you only get four of each color die in the starter, right? I mean that is FFGs M.O. - always shafting you at least 1 die under what you need even for a starter box game. Stop shafting customers already. Also. Did we really need this? Was IA not good enough? Or was this just because you lost your GW license?
I don`t like the narrow Dungeon Crawler Imperial Assault. I want open free battles. Thats why I was trying to make tabletop rules for IA, and then LEGION was announced. Yes. We need this.
But do we need it the way FFG does it? With specialized movement templates, special dice, and all the cards of X-wing? And without AT-ATs? Cause at this scale, we will never get AT-ATs.
This game has been in development for a long time.. its the CAUSE of the GW/FFG split.. they didnt "react" to the split with this.. this was where FFG was always headed, and GW didnt like it, cause its gonna CRUSH their 40k Profits.
people like you said "we'll never get BIG ships in X-Wing! Look at the scale, no WAY they can do big ships!" ... please stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself. If there's money to be made, it will be made.
LOL.... If you watch the onlookers milling around in the background, you'll notice a lot of them have a certain look in common. Put down the pizza and try eating a salad once in a while!
What makes it a boardgame? Cards you can only get from FFG. Nonstandard dice you can only get from FFG. A ruler that you can only get from FFG. A buttload of tokens you can only get from FFG Its a board game where you have to buy everything from them except the board. Also, good luck playing this game on a non flat surface and using that ruler.
Not a very definitive line. pretty much all wargames have unit cards now. UNique dice and rulers make it a unique game. Sure it's a money maker and good protection for IP but it also stops 3rd partys crashing your game with cheap alternatives whilst providing thematic quality kit.
For the expected price point looks like great pre-painted miniatures. The game itself, well, I don't see the appeal or much room for strategy. X-wing is all about maneuvering and predicting your opponent's plays where as this largely revolves on just rolling dice. If it gets popular somehow anyway I'd expect we'd be forced to buy 'expansions' just for the upgrade or unit cards. Lastly, to me, the StarWars universe isn't cool.
So x-wing then just with ground figures. X-wing takes too long to set up, too long to play and sits on top of my cuboard collecting dust. £500 down the drain. None of my 7 friends who are all long time rpg'ers and war hammer fans ever says "let's play x-wing". Can't buy into this because of those reasons and if these come unpainted, no thanks -already have 100s of models that need painting.
I VERY much hope you change the Stormtrooper rule of making the precise at shooting. I agree with the concept that they should be more powerful than they are in the movies, but that should be attributed to defense regarding their armor, not their shooting. Their lack of shooting ability should be played off as an amusing element in the game as poor shots, but their armor should be taken into account as a good defense. So if FFG reads this, PLEASE change that rule. That would make a huge difference and be much, much smarter.
Why? They are known as excellent shots in the movie "None but Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise." as Obi-wan said. True, in A New Hope they are ordered to let the Rebels escape, and therefore miss, and similarly at Cloud City, but that is an example of them following orders, not any lack of precision.
And in every other movie they continue to miss. I can believe 1 line in 1 movie, or I can believe my own eyes in every movie. This rule contradicts everything we see in favor of one line by one guy. That having been said, it's really because Lucas contradicted himself quite often. I just think it would be better to go with what we see than what we hear. We see they're bad shots. We see they're wearing armor. So why not make them bad shots with armor?
They miss in the movies because the heroes have plot armor not because of substandard training. Also I noticed the Stormtroopers get red dice for defense which is better than the dice the rebel troops were using so the armor is taken into account.
OH! They do take armor into account. I'm glad to hear that. Thanks for pointing that out. I see your point about heroes getting plot armor. (Great name, by the way.) I still disagree about them having a bonus to shooting as I really think that's going to get a lot of criticism from people, but it's not a deal breaker. (There are already a lot of comments about it here and in other videos.) But having them with better training does at least make logical sense.
Storm troopers are known for their accuracy - the joke of their inaccuracy is based on the fact that they DELIBERATELY shot wide of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie on the Death Star, bringing them back to the Millenium Falcon and allowing the escape. The Falcon had a tracker on it, leading the Empire to the Rebel Base on Yavin!
Storm troopers are also known for being roflstomped by teddybears. So there's that.
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I'm hoping all of this scenery is up for sale. I can't stand seeing great scenery that you can't actually get!
Aaron Ross I was thinking the same thing! Some of the stuff like the doors and vaporators look too nice to be scratch-built. At the least I would like to see build tutorials!
I have also been wondering about the buildings. I would hope that at the very least, parts like the doorways and the moisture vaporators would be available to buy and use within your own buildings.
One reason why I want a 3d printer.
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I totally agree.
Wow! Someone who actually uses a gimbal. Good on ya. Great demo video.
This looks very very smooth! Great mini's also! Cant wait for the first Wave announcement. *fingers crossed for AT-ST's!
Great video! Thanks for posting it.
I shared it on our Star Wars: Legion Facebook page. facebook.com/groups/swlegionffg/
It is very telling that the Fantasy Flight rep is scrambling to grab more dice from other demos. FF never packages enough, even in their Gen Con demos. 😆
That pizza guy in the background is just awsome xD
Jamal Sonicova I couldn’t pay attention to the game when he was standing there.
Wow super quick thanks guys ;)
27:23: Swaying Pizza Eating Guy = WIN
What's a joke, and I thought it was funny originally, but the crap has gone on too long, is the long running trope that Stormtroopers can't hit anything because heroes have plot armor. They made pretty short work of Tantive IV.
When you're hyped about a game then you see the gameplay and it all goes down the toilet....
Call me cynical sid but the games called star wars legion and there apears to be less than a platoons worth of minatures engaging.
Conan the Barbarian there will obviously be expansion packs
It's probably because it just the starter set in use. i think i read that it's 1000 points, with what was there i think it's about 500 -700 ish?
Just like SW armada is always played with one victory SD and 2 small rebel ships right? Cause that's what's in the armada box.
SuperS1ime Well its clearly not going to be game for a legions worth of imperials it looks to be 40k in scale so company level at tops.
Conan the Barbarian technically yeah but there sure will be a lot more units in a single game than this demo
They're so obsessed with fucking maneuver templates, holy shit. This game did NOT need a template like that for movement.
Why not just a regular ruler or a tape measure? I guess so they can charge more for the special bendy thing.
Ranges are WAY to long. I also don't understand ffgs aversion to tape measures. Part of the fun of a good miniatures game is to be able to scurry around the edges of unit ranges while setting yourself up. What's the point if almost every unit has the range to shoot over half the table.
Yes. They could have released a rule book with dice, and a whole bunch of new minis and terrain that could be used with either game. Instead they decided to split the market.
Joshua Bianchi The board was small because it's a demo. The ranges are definitely within a realistic distance. You can play on a bigger board.
Ffg is trying to attract x wing crowd and mini wargamers at the same time. They may succeed but my bet is that they will appeal to neither.
because 40k ranges are much better yeah yeah, a gun that fires 24 inches, in real life, it is like 30 feet or what ?
Tape measures aren't exact enough. I have enough problems with people not being super precise with firing arcs in xwing. It matters a lot. Tapes allow a lot of variability if not used right. Templates clear it up and add a uniqueness imo
I like the fact you can see the dice in this vid. although this is flat terrain without giant redwoods so that helped ; MTFBWY
Would like to know about the terrain for this game. Those buildings look really authentic, I wondered if anyone could tell me who made these and whether there is online tutorial available?
It looks like quite an accessible game for new players. Scenery may be an issue and maybe they will sell these too. I believe it is 35mm.
I'm sure some future units will include snipers, maybe heavy support (anti tank) and more vehicles.
Cody K At-At would be cool also I would like to see the return of the T-4b which was in the game Star Wars Empire at War.
Theres so much potential, idk where to begin!
I was excited at the thought of a 10-15mm mass combat game that could have reinvigorated the mass battle genre. I would be wholeheartedly behind that.
Star Wars skirmish is interesting but I'll "wait and see" before jumping at this one. Custom move sticks are great for X-Wing and Armada for "speed" but a trooper who can move to any point along it, what's wrong with a tape measure?
check out a game called Time Legends: Joan of Arc
I've seen bits about Joan of Arc, however I've thrown my weight behind CMON'S A Song of Ice and Fire game to scratch my fantasy itch. :)
I went the other way hahaha. Did you see the Dragon from Joan of Arc? it's bloody massive
I did see it, quite impressive, depending upon how it scales with ASOIAF it'd be a good pick up. :)
Would make no sense for Star Wars. Asymmetrical forces is the setting. A skirmish game makes sense for SW, like the one they were building with IA. Not that I liked that game, but it made sense with the theme.
I actually may get into this. Seems simple and that's what appealed to me with X-Wing. The tape measure crap and 4 inch rulebooks are too much for me with the other mini games. This seems elegant.
This game looks really cool. It appears like FFG took the mechanics for Warmachine and Hordes, but added their own dice and rules from Imperial Assault, X-Wing and even their Warhammer Diskwars game (command cards). I can't wait to play this. Anyone know when its being released to the public?
First quarter of '18
If I added a ruler, think I could use my imperial assault game and get the same results?
I love the models, and the fact you assemble and paint them like Warhammer, but I'm not a fan of all the special dice, token, and cards.
Kind of wish they remastered and re-released the Star Wars mini game with pre-painted miniatures and the chess like board.
oh god its custom dice, stick and cards its xwing all over where you buy 2 ships cause you want the card that comes in the box
Excellent game.. could really see the Clone Wars come to this game :-D
Please, Please tell me they will bring Tanks, transporters, different characters or card types to change out or make unique armies like wookies or droids, bounty hunters etc...
If this game goes well and they want to bring in more factions, wave 2 or 3 would be the time to do it, and either they'd throw in Clone Wars stuff, New Trilogy stuff, or a 'Scum Faction' (like they did with X-Wing)
Can you use the imperial assault minis for this game as well?
Really want a rulebook, since in this video we get told the dodge tokens just cancel a hit, but the Beasts of War article says they let you re-roll defense dice just like Aim. Re-roll would be much more useful for Luke and Vader's Deflect, for sure.
Scott Arnone the beast of War article is incorrect
Hi Scott, I'm the guy in the video providing the demo.
Dodge tokens are spent to cancel one regular hit.
Aim tokens are spent to reroll up to 2 attack dice.
-Tim
*just to be clear, I am NOT an employee of Fantasy Flight Games. I am a contractor hired for the purpose of demoing games at GenCon. The knowledge I have is limited to what was provided to me for the purpose of giving demos of this game.
Tim D you were great dude
Nothing you did wrong! Just conflicting info from multiple sources! Like in the new Team covenant video we got more about the difference between types of cover and such. But yeah, that video also clarified the dodge token being what you said. But the further addition of Heavy Cover and the Force Reflexes force power makes it all make more sense.
I am going to keep buying both. They are totally different games. My hope is to use IA as a gateway to this game for my friends.
I am looking forward to making my own terrain.
I hope they sell all of these terrain pieces - so cool
1. It'd be cool if you could destroy cover or part of cover with the bigger units. Make it dynamic.
2. It'd be cool if there was an ability on a unit that would allow them to shoot if someone moves into their line of sight.
3. It'd be cool if they had all the dice you needed.
So all we need to do is get these rules, get our Imperial Assault minis out and hey presto! We have this game anyway.
Paul Gerg well i only have x wing so this looks interesting
And probably pick up a dice pack and maneuver tool and you aren't far off.
Daniel, you go for it. It looks like a good game and I would have bought it if I didn't already have IA. In fact, I may buy it and then just add all my IA minis to the mix, adding some house rules along the way.
Lego starwars here i come!!!
can you paint the guys or do they come pre painted?
After seeing the play through I'm interested now. I like anything that comes out as a "War game". I want to play WH40k but can't afford it and no one plays War Machine in my experience. However Star Wars, not matter what, usually has a lot of players and from what I've found so far, they're aiming to under cut the competition price wise pretty damn well. From this demo, it looks interesting. I like how different color dice come into the game, that lets the other player know exactly whats up before the roll even happens. Not a fan of the custom measuring units though, I prefer the ol' fashioned tape measure. Custom measures always make me feel like the company is trying to force you to pay an extra buck, especially when the movement measure has a basic number which obviously is not the inch measurement. Still, for the right price, I really might consider giving this a shot.
its too bad they dont come pre-painted, my hand isnt very steady
Dallybear5k but then it would cost even more!
Id love to buy those buildings they got there.
They should have gone for a bigger scale. I would have liked to see armada style with the focus on base defenses and vehicles with hordes of troops treated like fighters are in star wars armada. If i can't recreate Hoth whats the point!
Dude in the middle looks like he should be playing bass for The Cure. Someone call Robert Smith and get him an audition.
Shaun Watson Scott from General Games. Yeah we agree! ;)
ive done 3 different versions of star wars minis in the past. After watching this, 8 minutes in I see if i hit someone.... SIGH, I'm glad i play video games now.
It's like a Warhammer board game but with Star Wars stuff, right?
TK 2611
Not really, plays alot differently from 40k
TK 2611 yes. It is. Don't listen to the other guy. The best summary is Warhammer with Star Wars. Yes there are upgrades, but come on, it's move shoot, dice, dice dice...
Dude there are plenty of minis games with differences and Warhammer is certainly not the best minis game about. See War Machine, Malifaux, Infinity as some of the more recent games that have taken a large slice of the pie from GW. You sound like a butt hurt child who lives at a Games Workshop outlet. That product and company are just as bad as FFG for me. Both cannabilising their own consumers and putting premium prices on their products.
So basically Josh Smith confirms what Garrett Stewart was saying. The later reply just has more complaining in it on top of calling someone else a butt hurt child. LOL
LOL Rylan that was great. TK, This game is FFG's Warhammer competitor. It is the game that they plan on taking out 40k With. They are offering different factions (I believe 7 were announced to be ready at release) Most of the people in this chat are whining like bitches and its funny to watch grown men cry about their toys.
To the gw fanboys, this will take some of the market from GW if FFG's prices their mini's accordingly and offers continued factions updates and new models without ridiculous power creep.
To the IA fanboys, since X-Wing has been kicking GW's ass for the last three years they decided to make a multi-faction combat game with tournament level balance so that they could unseat gw. This is a different concept than IA and shouldn't bother that game, what it will do though is take the more competitive players that were more interested in tournaments but didn't want to play warhammer.
as a 40k player I will be investing in this, I believe it will be good and the more competition GW has the better the Tabletop industry gets.
Also War Machine, Malifaux, and Infinity don't scratch the same itch as warhammer 40k, they are just too different. This game might.
where can I find a desert battle mat?
27:23 I swear that was me when someone explained.
Magic The Gathering
Yu Gi Oh
Warhammer
Warhammer 40k
Dungeons and Dragons
Heroscape
Algebra 2
I'm pretty sure I was eating when all those things were being explained to me.
do these have to be painted or do they come like that? I really have no patience to paint them all! Would love to get into this with my son
They need to be painted.
Ugh! Thanks for the reply
Would be cool if they added clones, would love to paint my custom legions!
how tall are the miniatures?
They did an episode on BoW on Imperial Assault and the option to do skirmish games with it,....and now they put this on the market.
Why not follow up on that skirmish idea? money?......
Looks great though but it's a bit of what we now already....but now it's themed SW.
I'm not sure if i will purchase it.....
Oh, absolutely money. The game is a different scale, the minis are hard plastic that you need to assemble to use...
And if this follows FFG typical operating procedures, the starter box will give you exactly 1 die per color less than you need to play even the starter game. More or less requiring you to purchase a dice pack if nothing else. Ka-Ching.
hmmmm Not sure i'm really sold on star wars legion. I have all the Imperial assault stuff and this doesn't seem that much different from it.
This seems more like a boardgame like Imperial Assault or a miniatures game like X-Wing. I was hoping for a pure miniatures wargame like 40K or Infinity.
It looks to me like the movement and unit cohesion of WH40K, the dice of X-wing, maybe the stat cards of Imperial Assault. I don't think it looks half bad, but why would I buy this instead of Imperial Assault? It seems kind of odd to me that FFG is releasing this in direct competition with a game they already make.
And the upgrade cards that you have to buy units you do not want to get.
Wow the demo guy made a mistake. The barricades offer 2 canceled results. It's heavy cover not light.
Hi, I'm the guy in the video giving the demo!
You are correct! Barricades provide heavy cover, not light cover. For the demo, we were using the basic game rules, not always the full rules set, otherwise the demos were going to take substantially longer to run and explain (they already averaged 20-25 minutes, which is rather long for a convention game demo).
- Tim
*just to be clear, I am NOT an employee of Fantasy Flight Games. I am a contractor hired for the purpose of demoing games at GenCon. The knowledge I have is limited to what was provided to me for the purpose of giving demos of this game.
What Handheld Gimble are you using?
John Brown that's the Osmo Mobile
Thanks
Long live Greg and Colton
seems like there's some at-43 and dust 47 mixed into this game.
And this game will disappear just as quickly.
Cool!! I was inspired by you. I am making a terrain video today :)
just clik on my pag go to julian mcfadden you youtube it :)
They made movement and range waaay too complicated. Should have just used tape measures. I'll probably measure the sticks and just use the measurements.
Reminds me of heroscape
Awesome! :D
So to respect the saga, the storm trooper fire accuracy capacity is near to zero ?
40k meets X wing... Kid's can't afford to play 40k due to the price... sounds like Legion is going to be exactly the same... poor unsuspecting parents...
I think it would be better if it was set pre empire, sequel kinda time
more Heroes, more different troops stuff like that
Salacious Crumb @ 8.07 made me laugh like Jabba
The command and order system is brilliant!
FFG shows how to make a miniature ruleset, too bad its gonna be bloated with upgrades and combos :/
And why couldnt it have been something other then Star Wars
Having played a LOT of Armada and X-Wing, I agree, upgrade cards quickly get out of control for both managing the game and balance. Hopefully each unit (group of dudes) can have a max of 1 upgrade, otherwise you'll have the same thing you see in most X-Wing and Armada games, lots of upgrades of every unit.
pjpaella One upgrade of each type. I found in my two games so far it dramaticly speeds up combat to be fast paced which I enjoy. Regular infantry can just replace a regular guy with a heavy trooper and add a extra regular trooper. Grenades for both sides and targeting scopes for the rebels to give them precise.
goodbye money, looks great, simple like xwing with a warhammer vibe
this is a board game?
wrong daek great time to use my wotc star wars minis and play Warhammer epic scale in its heroic 28 mm(really 30mm) all ready painted goodness and I have the at at
Not exactly mass battles is it? Just another skirmish little different in scale to Imperial Assault. Even using similar dice, really can't see the point in this game.
SUPER !!!
Damn these proprietary range ruler nonsense and dice. We have tape measures, we don't need ship manoeuvre templates for ground troops.
Cool...
nice
Actually looks really great, something that could end 40K
hahahahahahaha
Scott "Nighthawk" Nelson I don't think anything is ending Warhammer 40K (except maybe Warhammer 40K)
how much money does FFg think people have? :O
G. Whistler x wing rips my money off already im Just 15 years old
R.I.P Imperial Assault
Sadly, I fear this is true.
RIP Descent 2.0
the 10 dislikes this video got are angry cause Ewoks aren't released till next year! :D
Stormtroopers have Precise? 😐
Why in the world does rebels have better accuracy than stormtroopers? It doesn't take much research to figure out the elite training citizens went through to become imperial stormtroopers, and how accurate they actually was.
They are not better than stormtroopers. STs had a surge that turned all their surge rolls into hits. Rebels did not.
stormtrooper ballistic skill 2
What is this value village WH40K
Compared to Warhammer 40k this is quite simple.
Big swing and a miss. Bit of a crap deal for Imperial Assault players and a bit of a wacky scale. Be nice to have seen something that was 15mm or 20mm with 'scale-able' games including skirmish to epic battles. This would've allowed for some interesting uses of vehicles, terrain etc. Although no doubt a smaller scale 'epic' Star Wars miniatures game will appear before too long but the rules and cards will be just slightly different.
I like it... lol ...
Two types of people in the comments: people who like the game and people who play Imperial Assault.
Take ALL of my money! Take it!
Love how they show everything painted and pretty when it doesn't come like that out of the box
I'll stick with Imperial Assault
Frack. Why did you need to make special movement templates? It's a minis game. Was a TAPE MEASURE too difficult, or was a few pieces of shyte plastic being required that much of a cash grab?
OH. And let me guess you only get four of each color die in the starter, right? I mean that is FFGs M.O. - always shafting you at least 1 die under what you need even for a starter box game. Stop shafting customers already.
Also. Did we really need this? Was IA not good enough? Or was this just because you lost your GW license?
I don`t like the narrow Dungeon Crawler Imperial Assault. I want open free battles. Thats why I was trying to make tabletop rules for IA, and then LEGION was announced. Yes. We need this.
I agree, not really into a special movement tool, just use a tape measure
But do we need it the way FFG does it? With specialized movement templates, special dice, and all the cards of X-wing?
And without AT-ATs? Cause at this scale, we will never get AT-ATs.
This game has been in development for a long time.. its the CAUSE of the GW/FFG split.. they didnt "react" to the split with this.. this was where FFG was always headed, and GW didnt like it, cause its gonna CRUSH their 40k Profits.
people like you said "we'll never get BIG ships in X-Wing! Look at the scale, no WAY they can do big ships!" ...
please stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself. If there's money to be made, it will be made.
40k is dead to me now.
Oh God, moving 60 Stormtroopers one at a time with a custom plastic range tool each and every turn!!!
yeah, you only "measure" once per unit. The rest ... nevermind.. didnt you watch the video?>??
They spent 5 minutes talking about unit cohesion (similar to WH40K). Move the units leader, and the rest of the unit shuffles along beside them.
Wizards of the Coast D20 Star Wars Miniatures is infinitely better
jabba the hut with pizza watching
LOL.... If you watch the onlookers milling around in the background, you'll notice a lot of them have a certain look in common. Put down the pizza and try eating a salad once in a while!
Another money sink with BS rules that make it a boardgame, rather than a wargame. Not for me.
Whats the difference? What defines a wargame?
No difference in this case. He argues the 'no true scotsman' fallacy..
What makes it a boardgame? Cards you can only get from FFG. Nonstandard dice you can only get from FFG. A ruler that you can only get from FFG. A buttload of tokens you can only get from FFG Its a board game where you have to buy everything from them except the board. Also, good luck playing this game on a non flat surface and using that ruler.
Not a very definitive line. pretty much all wargames have unit cards now. UNique dice and rulers make it a unique game. Sure it's a money maker and good protection for IP but it also stops 3rd partys crashing your game with cheap alternatives whilst providing thematic quality kit.
In other words it's another rip off product from FFG.
I want pizza
Shut up and take my money!!!!
For the expected price point looks like great pre-painted miniatures. The game itself, well, I don't see the appeal or much room for strategy. X-wing is all about maneuvering and predicting your opponent's plays where as this largely revolves on just rolling dice. If it gets popular somehow anyway I'd expect we'd be forced to buy 'expansions' just for the upgrade or unit cards. Lastly, to me, the StarWars universe isn't cool.
Stormtroopers? PRECISE?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I know right? Laughed at that one too.
Well that is what they are known for in canon. In the movies we only get to see them when they are ordered to miss pretty much.
That Joke is older than my grandmother
In the final rules, each stormtrooper will role 10 dice, but all dice will have blank sides.
Thats pretty much how they operate. They can reroll more dice, but the dice they roll are absolute shit and have only two sides that are hits/crits.
No Ewoks? Not interested 😉
So x-wing then just with ground figures. X-wing takes too long to set up, too long to play and sits on top of my cuboard collecting dust. £500 down the drain. None of my 7 friends who are all long time rpg'ers and war hammer fans ever says "let's play x-wing". Can't buy into this because of those reasons and if these come unpainted, no thanks -already have 100s of models that need painting.
I VERY much hope you change the Stormtrooper rule of making the precise at shooting. I agree with the concept that they should be more powerful than they are in the movies, but that should be attributed to defense regarding their armor, not their shooting. Their lack of shooting ability should be played off as an amusing element in the game as poor shots, but their armor should be taken into account as a good defense. So if FFG reads this, PLEASE change that rule. That would make a huge difference and be much, much smarter.
To quote Obi-wan "Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise"
Why? They are known as excellent shots in the movie "None but Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise." as Obi-wan said.
True, in A New Hope they are ordered to let the Rebels escape, and therefore miss, and similarly at Cloud City, but that is an example of them following orders, not any lack of precision.
And in every other movie they continue to miss. I can believe 1 line in 1 movie, or I can believe my own eyes in every movie. This rule contradicts everything we see in favor of one line by one guy. That having been said, it's really because Lucas contradicted himself quite often. I just think it would be better to go with what we see than what we hear. We see they're bad shots. We see they're wearing armor. So why not make them bad shots with armor?
They miss in the movies because the heroes have plot armor not because of substandard training. Also I noticed the Stormtroopers get red dice for defense which is better than the dice the rebel troops were using so the armor is taken into account.
OH! They do take armor into account. I'm glad to hear that. Thanks for pointing that out. I see your point about heroes getting plot armor. (Great name, by the way.) I still disagree about them having a bonus to shooting as I really think that's going to get a lot of criticism from people, but it's not a deal breaker. (There are already a lot of comments about it here and in other videos.) But having them with better training does at least make logical sense.
Wow unnecessarily complicated I feel like Miniatures companies try to hard to be different from GW. Just use inches and D6s....