David Bowie Criticizes MTV for Not Playing Videos by Black Artists | MTV News
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2016
- David Bowie has some questions and criticisms about MTV’s lack of videos featuring black artists in this 1983 interview with Mark Goodman.
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MTV: posts about themselves being racist and Bowie calling them out on it. Proceeds to distance themselves by talking in 3rd person like they aren't MTV 🤔
Subsequently has no description in video to show if any progress was made or accountability taken.
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@@fallin2high yes thats what companies do
all these artists are white
Why is MTV acting like they are the ones who aren't at fault? They're trying to distance themselves from their own past? Shame, that's why no one watches MTV anymore 😬
Mtv is ruined now because of blacks
MTV: we used to be shitty and racist and disproportionately not show black musicians. We fixed this by no longer showing any musicians at all.
Lmaoo
+OnceUponAPiano Excellent! But can you tell me----just what *does* MTV show now? On my life, I can't figure out what their programming is supposed to be now. The last time I tried to watch anything on MTV my brain almost melted down. And I thought BET could make you stupid...this was worse. A LOT worse...
+Tony Jones I haven't watched MTV since TRL was last on...there was actually a top 10 music video countdown. I don't know what they show now XD
This comment 🙌🏻
thank you you nailed it
The fact that he said white artist are starting to play black music so we don’t need black artist is very telling
J2K absolutely brilliant
And as you see in the so called fake RNB bubblegum productions today you couldn't be more spot on
Theirs Been a clear mission ,agenda by record labels Pr promotions and ,marketing teams to white wash previously black art forms to the point where the black people that previously innovated the RNB ,soul, music music ,the blues, funk ,jazz early eighties , boogie jazz funk ,jazz fusion acid jazz, ,disco ,house , garage are invisible .extinct
Well spotted.
The realist comment of this entire communication replies section
It's wicked'beyond measure.
Yeah like yikes
And yet, many people still believe it so unlikely that hip-hop might be all white one day.
Reppin Seattle 79 it sad to think about it but even something like that most music genres were created by black people and even then most people only associate Black people with hip hop and r&b, very sad
Most genres of music that are popular today ARE because of black artists. Jazz, hip hop, R&B, Rock and Country are all heavily influenced or created by black musicians.
For the younger folks out there who didn't grow up in the 70s or 80s... NOBODY was talking about these issues in 1983 on tv. Not so openly, intelligently and assertively. Bowie was always ahead of his time.
Well that's not really true. Sam Cooke was talking about issues like thus in the early 60s. It's just that it usually came from black artists so people just saw it as a community fighting their rights. Speaks way more volume when a white guy does it. That's called using your platform to combat prejudice. Make people understand that this isn't a black problem. It's an us problem as a whole
People have always talked about these issues, YOU were just being ignorant
@@GreenEyedDazzler Not on tv. Sounds like you were born in 2005. Keep screaming into the void.
Can you STOP bringing us in conversations all the damn time?! We didn't live back then, so what? We can't control the year we are born, by 83. Racism/slavery was illegal, MTV just didn't play black artists until MJ's iconic "Billie Jean" came after one of his managers force MTV to play it.
@@GreenEyedDazzlerExactly.
As a black man: Thank You,David.
You changed that format w/Michael Jackson on MTV. Rest In Peace.
Also Prince.
Remember, Michael Jackson went through a "transformation" to become a "mainstream" artist.
And as a white man that enjoys all music, thank you David Bowie. I wish someone of his status would talk to MTV about playing music videos again. It’s not even music television anymore. It’s quite saddening to be honest
Stop lying Michael Jackson did that before transformation, he already had fame with thriller album, off the wall and bad album he was not white
@@humanforotherhumanswhat are you yapping about
So racist how the interviewer says "People in the Midwest would be scared to death by Prince and black faces "
4:23 Bowie was done-done with ol' dude.
Andres Linares I know what a dickhead
Lmao and Prince was from the Midwest so it’s even more ironic.
How is it racist?
@@LeviUlysses-mp5wg How is it racist that people in the midwest would be scared to death of black faces? Is that what you're asking?
David said black rights,
David said trans rights,
David said gay rights,
David said women’s rights,
David said HUMAN rights!
🔥
Rob Stidman No, he didn’t. There’s a whole story about that that I can’t be bothered to recite right now - please don’t believe everything you read!
@@rstidman The girl who said she was Jimmy Page's girlfriend at age 14 thru 17, also said she lost her virginity to David Bowie, also at age 14. The Jimmy Page story seems more credible. Her account with Bowie has contradictions and timeline issues.
ALL of which we have here in America but not in other parts of the world but you virtue signaling morons don't care.
Rob Stidman bruh he never did, they said that about Kobe to, and Mj
Respect to MTV for not burying this. History is fascinating.
In today's time? Do they dare? He speaks the truth anyways. Also hypothetically if they still do that, other channels or people will keep and upload this clip for themselves and for Bowie, and question MTV on this very issue (that they probably hadn't changed all these years after all and it's only proven true by the clip's removal).
@@MollyHJohnsof course the would dare especially in todays time.
Since they don't want to be seen racist nowadays so them keeping this up is actually surprising
How do we know they don’t think there’s nothing wrong with the answers given? 🤷♂️
Yep and respect to master for allowing mammy to help raise his children 😂
The meaning, "@@Sensiking19"?
The man sat there and said, "We pander to racists", without actually saying those words.
Respect to David Bowie for calling that nonsense out.
yeah and chinese television has only chinese people on it, they must be pandering to racists too
Things aren’t so black and white (pun not intended) , the unfortunate reality is that a vast proportion of white people had racist beliefs in those days. MTV, a corporation knew that and toed the line enough to stay in business. the difference today is, the demographics and socioeconomic status of POC have changed, with higher numbers and more spending power. Businesses only care about the bottom line, very few care about social change.
I like the way he said “isn’t that interesting”
Delusional and disingenuous to get a point across, very current year of you
it's so crazy how they could openly just admit that on tv back then
Bowie asked all the right questions to expose the interviewer. He did it so gracefully too.. What a legend
Didn’t expect you here 🤣. Sup
Daddy 😍
BigBangFan69 - omg noo
stoopid. kali yes 😈
Good artist but far . from being a legend
Its so weird that he's saying black artists were too extreme whilst literally talking to DAVID BOWIE 💀
And what about David Bowie? He was just another artist back then. He was no bigger than the others. Only now after he’s dead young people like you are overrating him.
Shut up, Bieber
@@ruok3351 If you think that only after his death people started "overrating" him then you're probably very young or ignorant, he has always been an incredibly influential figure in music. His work in the 70s is sublime.
@@ruok3351 I have no idea what you're talking about but I was saying that a lot of David's characters were quite literally out of this world. He was extreme. So his reasoning for black artists not being shown was bull.
@@ruok3351 that's not the point he's making- he's saying throughout the 70's Bowie was out of his mind on drugs wearing weird makeup, skin tight unitards etc... Extreme sh*t.. thats why its ironic.
Duuuuude that straight up GLARE that Bowie gives him while he's giving his b.s. answer... friggin gold.
Absolutely.
That is the most hilarious part....when they zoom in on Bowie. 😂😂
As a child that was raised on Bowie by both of my parents, I can’t listen to him now without crying. His death not only meant the loss of a great artist, but a great human being. The world was truly a better place with him in it💖
The death of a great human being!! That’s what happeed
Bowie: You don't play black artists
Goodman: That's not true -
-We're moving in that direction
-Middle America doesn't want it
-You have to watch for more then 3 hours and you'll see a black artist
The look on Bowie's face says it all.
@Liam Berg (STUDENT)
0:00 - 4:34
I thought he was gonna bitch slap him.
This about sums it up pretty well
His face says “are you listening to this bs?” He’s so polite with it too
he looked so done and i live him for it
Bowie was disgusted but kept himself dignified the whole time. Acted like the bigger man but clearly not having his shit
The interviewers response to him at 1:31 told it all.
We didn't deserve Bowie
Midd Knight... yep, very telling.
He loved Kanye
He then went out and slept with more children after the video.
I loved the phrase, "Scared to death..." Why does anything "black" scare people so much. David Bowie's line of questioning was awesome and needed. I've always loved David Bowie. But this brings it to another level. ❤
As a white kid growing up in a tiny Midwest town surrounded by cornfields, l loved Prince, Michael Jackson, Earth, Wind and Fire, and tons of other black artists. WTF is Goodman talking about? Bowie knew he was full of shit, but as ever remained a gentleman.
He's scared to death they'd lose $$$ if all the racists stop watching
When has media ever succeeded by leaning into pissing off conservative white bumpkins? That's why nobody has ever heard of the Beatles.
@@dominicpardo4783he was shilling for the company that employed him 😂 even his justification for why they wouldn’t do it and how it would scare people says everything. He also said we are a rock and roll station and forgets the roots of rock 😂
@@JosePineda-jn8jk No kidding. Bo Diddly, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Chubby Checker...... Those guys started it.
David's self control was admirable. The camera's nonflinching movement and focus on David's faced was extraordinary.
that camera man knew what he was doing loll
I’m blown away! Not because David Bowie exposed MTV for the racism they employed, But because he actually made the interviewer reveal how they see Black Americans as a whole.
He was a blessing!
The big homie
he basically said "Black people is not profitable because racism exist so we go with the flow of racism"
@@1lukarioz Yeah, like how no black person bought Rebirth
Check the channel name
Interviewer: *racist rant*
Bowie: Ahh. You're one of those.
The world needs more David Bowies.
@@TheTenCentStory True. An extremely random point that you brought up that has nothing to do with this conversation, but true.
@@RealJackHQ David Bowie didn't take advantage of young girls?
@@TheTenCentStory No
@@ellameyer8151 Having sex with underage girls is statutory rape and should be punishable by castration.
This is why I loved David Bowie. He was not letting up on that host, and rightfully so. David Bowie listened to everything, that's why we f**** with him. What a loss to the music world.
Why didn’t he ask any question about Asian artists not being present in huge ass numbers? 😂 do you think African mtv hosts 40-50% of white artists? 😂
The incredibly slow zoom on Bowie as his demeanor becomes subtly more scathing, followed by a chaotic fast zoom in when his incredulity fully manifests, is just top tier performance art from the camera man. It's like a Scorsese film
Exactly
He outright destroyed that interviewer.
He never raised his voice, he never yelled at the guy, he just methodically demolished the guy and the channel in the span of 4 minutes without breaking a sweat.
"I understand your point of view" that was the final blow
And the slight "sike!" stare 😁😁😁
MTV was a rock to metal bands station in it's early days. you don't know that. you think it's racism cause your stupid. if you were smart you would know how mtv used to program for two years in advance. but that would take away your virtue signalling glow. notice how good the videos got around 83/84.
@Michael Catalano Be a little more triggered. :D :D
@@bobbeckey6941 Ageing Gen-Xer here. If you think that that network's videos were good "around 83/84," I've got some hairspray to sell you. :D :D
And trying to make the "logical argument" that programming lily-white pop music "two years in advance"* counts as an excuse for bigoted narrow-mindedness is like trying to say that PLANNING wars and biological warfare makes it all perfectly benign. (But then--- you think typing "your stupid" makes you look smart. :D :D :D)
*Does that mean the MTV programmers had psychic knowledge that, say, Huey Lewis would go over? :D
@@argentokaos2629 Yes your racism has won me over? You had me at "lily white" honestly your so stupid. why would I waste any time over you. you shit bag.
David Bowie here showing how you can intellectually disassemble someone's argument by merely allowing them to talk...
Through socratic questioning.
@@alexross5714 It's perfect and works every time. Actually putting it into practice is the hard part, it's easy to get stressed and confrontational during a disagreement, but Bowie doesn't let that happen
100%. Goodman made himself look bad simply by existing here.
Exactly! He said _all_ the *wrong* things. 😂😂 Or all the *_right_* things, because he said exactly what Bowie was trying to expose. 👀 😂😂
"I understand your point of view" was such a cool way to say, "you're a narrow-minded idiot" lol
FUN FACT:
Initially, MTV refused to play Michael Jackson's videos because he was black. But CBS Records came to the rescue, threatening to pull their white artists' videos unless MTV relented, which it did. Ironically, Jackson became the most requested artist on the network from 1983 through 1985.
Fair play to CBS
Wrong, (or liar) MTV did have black artist since they started in 81. J.J. Jackson (who also hosted), Gary U.S. Bonds, Grace Jones, Neville Staple, Pauline Black, Arthur Hendrickson, Compton Amanor, Charlie Bembridge, to name a few. Plus there where other non-white artist, doing rock. Some of these artist were in MTV's 1st hundred vids which were dominated by the same few artist over and over.
Bl*ck artists were NOT featured in MTV's regular rotation and during prime time. The MJ story can be found at several major verifiable news sites.
Search it. MJ was the first bl*ck in regular rotation.
@@EnervatedSociety Literally _nothing_ you said refutes what OP posted. It's true that Michael Jackson wasn't the first Black artist on MTV- but OP did not claim otherwise. _At all._
Learn to read.
The ghost of David Bowie is officially invited to the cookout.
👏👏👏👏👏
Inviting non-Black people to the cookout is kinda why we get trampled over, even by Liberal Whites, but go ahead...
“Very interesting”
@@ButchCrassidy 🤡
@@jppage3292 Enjoy your butter biscuits! LOL
''Interesting'' was Bowie's way of saying BULLSHIT!
Mark Mullins And i hate the KKK and Aryan Nation
THEN what happened in the wake of this interview? - Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became the biggest most over-played over hyped overrated and media-hogginest star in the world and gawd-awful rap / hip hop overtook MTV. Wonder if Mr Bowie ever remembered this interview and thought "Foot in me bloomin mouth!!"?
Actually, no there were NOT allot of BLACK musical acts making VIDEOS during the EARLY 80's, when THIS interview took place. WHO WERE the popular black musical acts at THAT TIME again anyway? .. . Cool And The Gang? The Pointer Sisters? Earth Wind And Fire? . . and all these funk and disco groups left over from the late 70's? I remember when MTV FIRST came out, in 1981 I believe, they were mainly playing groups like Blondie, Devo, B 52's, Talking Heads, The Police, Tom Petty And The Heart Breakers, The Go Go's, The Buggles and all those post-punk / New Wave groups which were mostly WHITE and THEY were the groups that were making most of the VIDEOS at that time. It wasn't until after Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became a big sensation ( about 1984 ) that they started playing more BLACK r&b and funk acts.
"Durr, there were'nt black bands making videos because I didn't see any on the channel that didn't play videos by black bands, hurr derpty terp."
Paul Thomas I know ! Haha I love him !
It takes people like David Bowie to change the world
Facts 💯
You ask why men like that cannot be presidential candidates. Kind hearted, imperfect, inclusive and accountable.
White British are less racist than white Americans
The world will never change on how they look at us black people so your just wasting your breath
Probably because nobody like that would ever want the job of the presidency. @@nope1502
David was one Hell of a dude, always ahead of his time. Love how he kept his cool. "Interesting" was his way of saying "Bullshit". Bowie, you da man.
If it weren’t for Black American Blues, there would be no Rock and Roll.
hip hop would not exist without black people, disco would not exist without black people, soul would not exist without black people, jazz would not exist without black people, they are too many black parents of music that we should not ignore
@@kissarococo2459 damn, arent we bitter? Also instruments existed in African cultures too, dickfart.
@@kissarococo2459 And if there wasn't a barn, you wouldn't have been born
@Dave54600 "Nobody wants to hear white kids imitating what the blues used to be" Ike Turner
Though I credit the blues influincials for Rock & Roll, either way the creative artists would have found a sound .pleasing and most beautiful to the soul either way regardless♠️
David Bowie: I'll be Conducting the Interview now.
👏👏👏
*interrogation
pretty much rofl.
I was the 1000th like, not tryna flex or anything ....
🤣
I love how badly the interviewer fails to justify anything. I can't believe he thought it would hold up.
To be fair to the interviewer, if I must. He isn't the network, he is an interviewer, and he is in a position where he HAS to defend MTV because thats who hired him. I don't know much about the interviewer outside of this interviewer, so he could absolutely be a piece of shit. But I wouldn't base any assumptions on him on just this interview. I would have loved to now how he truly felt, but there was no way he could be that candid and also know his job is secure. lol It seemed the interviewer was trying to strike a balance of agreeing with Bowie, but giving MTV an out as to why it was the way it was.
@@YerpDerp17Either way, his response makes him look bad. He could have interjected his personal opinion on the matter to encourage change, but he was just as complicit with the racist narrative that "America isn't ready for that yet". That excuse has been used for way too long now. They care more about the feelings of racists instead of playing good music. People would rather blame the victims instead of having the courage to stand up to bad people by saying they're wrong.
I love how honest he is. He’s like, you guys are assholes and I’m not gonna hide that that’s what I’m thinking. But he’s so sweet about it. Greatest man to have ever lived
And after this interview MTV did the exact opposite. Only hip hop music had air time on MTV. The reason for me to stop seeing it. Not because I am racist but because I despise all of hip hop videos.
"I can tell you what Marvin Gaye or the Isley Brothers means to a black 17-year-old, and surely he is a part of America as well." What a legend.
Flawless victory. The VJs argument was dead in the water.
How times have changed since this interview. Now Mtv only plays reality shows, black rap videos and all things related to the hip hop culture. Mtv stopped playing white artists close to 20 ago years now.
@@joedimaggio6261 then don't watch it ya racist shitbag
Nic I'm only making an honest observation. How am I wrong with what I said? I bet you call everyone a racist.
I agree with what Bowie is saying here but now the pendulum has gone in the complete opposite direction
Bowie made the guy look like a complete racist. Yet he didn’t even realize it. That last statement by Bowie is a lesson in shade.
Oh, love it. Love shade.
Specially for exposing the truths...
Bowie didn't make the guy look racist. In the conversation, Mark Goodman exposed his racism and made several arguments to defend racism.
my thoughts exactly
@Sultan King Nah, those were lame excuses on Mark Goodman's part. By 1981, there were a number of white shows on tv that had featured black musicians, creatives, intellectuals, actors. Television wasn't completely segregated. Audiences around the country had already been exposed to diverse programming.
BET actually was established in RESPONSE to channels like MTV, who chose to exclude black artists from its lineup. It offered black artists a platform when other channels denied them access.
Bowie didn’t make him look racist, the interviewer did that to himself. Bowie just posed the important questions and got shown in reply the horrible disgusting truths of the industry.
"The only artist right now doing something really special is Prince" - David Bowie (1989).
That's how you expose racism, you pose a rational question and then let them dig their own hole. Love Bowie even more after seeing this. What a beautiful soul he had.
Bowie,a British white male, exposed the hypocrisy of stereotyping in america. This is the same man who reminded the world of the mistreatment of Aborigines in australia with his let's dance video.
@@BLTKellys Was Bowie admiring Hitler or was he commenting on the cult of personality? Bowie once commented along the lines, when introduced to the Internet, that it would cause a commotion because it would create new realities, new ideas that would disturb people. One reality being a leader can't be positive influence to some,yet negative to others such as Trump, Obama, Clinton, Carter,Judas, Lucifer or your God's name here.
@@derekbrooks9812 he was admiring him. Bowie later said he was on drugs and into occult mysticism at the time of saying it, which isn’t really an adequate excuse IMO. Obviously he evolved later.
@@BLTKellys Apologies, I've just found a couple of sources confirming what you said. Again, my bad.
@@BLTKellys you obviously never seen someone who is delusional due to drug abuse. That’s so sad to see, I hope you never will.
He also came to Nz with our natives.
"We're not acting racist! We just have to give the racist viewers what they want!"
Sums it up
As soon as Bowie entered the room: "Is that boss music I hear?"
@Sultan King I reckon the gov't was racist. The people had to push the gov't to be less racist.
@@izabelaR that's true. it always starts with people. Who benefits are the govt. actors, or private businesses who grasp the sincerity of their cry and act quicker rather than later.
@Logan Waltz Jump back to the comments the other guy said about Westerners being afraid of "a black man appearing on their television", amongst other things he fumbled on
And the sad part is, if he had done this today, he would be mocked as a "Woke SJW."
Yep.
I don't believe so. He spoke with tact and grace. The "woke" population tends to speak with arrogance, as if to say "Look at me and my beliefs".
If they learned to speak with this type of class, they could be as well-respected as Bowie is.
@@DivaInTheWoodsmany do. But classy and calm interactions don't make for sensational news, do they?
@@albertlight3797 well, David Bowie DID perform on Soul Train and would never say a statement like that to Don Cornelius ,if we're being honest here.
@@albertlight3797 do you know what "WOKE" actually means? Not what a republican TELLS you it means or using that word to push a racist agenda. Cause "Woke" was created to essentially say you should look out for other people's feelings and experiences that isn't white men's , but it's become " I don't like it cause it APPEARS PROGRESSIVE, so it's a threat, so let's say it's "woke" ...and who says it? Usually White men. Just an Observation
Music is nothing without black artists ❤ I liked how David Bowie addressed this without getting angry...good 4 him
Tell that to Irish people. Tell that to Eskimos. Tell that to Tibetans. Music is no way shape or form “nothing” without black influences.
@@dahe8883honey we’re talking about American pop, rock, soul, funk, country etc. All black-American people right there.
100% true. I'm Indigenous and Black music has been life blood to our peoples around the world.
@@mademiosellezandiii7729 I mean, American Country has strong roots in Traditional Irish music. I'm not discounting the influence of black artists, but it's not like we need to pick and choose which influences matter.
In the modern world most songs by any artist are influenced by a genre created by black people @@dahe8883
i love how bowie becomes the interviewer
right
me 2
Michael Purdie Abbott yea tru
700th like buddy
Animals is there best album. :)
"Is that a valid point?"
I love that David Bowie offered no validation.
"your point of view" aka your totally eating your own BS huh
It shouldn't only be MTV NEWS that recognizes and clarifies error
How about MTV as a whole
+Dr. Dhoom When asked if Goodman made a valid point, Bowie didn't agree, he said he understood Goodman's point (implying that he didn't necessarily agree with it or think it valid)
+Dr. Dhoom Basically what Maargen said. I love that no matter how polite Bowie was trying to be, he simply could not bring himself to say that Mark had a valid point.
+Dr. Dhoom lol don't even trip dawg! s'all good
+Internet Comment Board Babysitter Lol yeah and David Stayed on His Point A Great Artist even More
This is how you use your privilege . What a prolific man! Thank you GOD for David Bowie!
😂😂😂
did you get triggered by the P word? for someone who calls himself master chief you sure act like a little bitch lol@@Brooks1874
Huh?
He went further and married an african model. Great guy
@@JacksonZ. huh what? if a white artist who gets his music played on MTV calls out MTV for not playing black artists that the literal definition of using your privilege. are you too dumb to grasp that concept or did you just get triggered by the P word?
Amazing. He's not virtue signaling. He's not selfishly gathering support by appealing to a already public issue. He noticed a problem, and is genuinely asking a question about it. He has an authenticity to his character most people lack these days.
Exactly! Either you can be like David and eloquently and logically explain your grievances in a way that leaves your opponent no way to defend himself/herself. Or, you can be like the modern day BLM movements and cancel everything and preach against discrimination and hatred all while going out into the streets and looting the stores of innocent shop owners that had nothing to do with the issue in the first place, destroying your credibility in the process by acting so hypocritically.
😂if he did this today you'd call him an sjw woke mob virtue signal libtard. To your ilk, rights in the past are romantic, rights in the present are a scourge
David Bowie was a real one.
Definitely I know of his career. I think it's long overdue for me to do crate digging for this guy
Real talk!
+Jordan Bell- Yes. Yes it is
+H Hebert he hadn't even met his wife back then... he's just as clever as hell
+ThatOneGuyCpr does mtv play music anymore ?
This interviewer is falling apart. He’s terrible. Just shows how ahead Bowie was.
Or just how behind America was.
Plus he wasn’t ready-didn’t see Bowie’s question coming at all.
Or just how potent a racially charged narrative is.
Maybe Bowie was talking shit about coincidence and the warmer was changing?
Also remember Bowie was married to a Black woman.
@@howardsternisbatman
not at that time. He didn't marry Iman until the 90s although he did always date black women. He just was one of the most open and least race conscious people ever. And he always loved to create controversy wherever he could.
“Valid point?”
“I understand your point of view, thank you.”
Bowie was and continues to be a force for good.
" Scared to death of a string of black faces". MTV dude
Let that sink in
All Bowie even had to say about that was “hmmm, isn’t that just interesting/strange?” Just pointing out how silly that racist answer was
I love how disgusted Bowie is by his racist remarks and him thinking it makes sense
Bob Popular
just turn on the tap and flood us with scary looking black people?
I’ll give you the exact same answer Bowie gave to the man who was only thinking about money -
“I understand you” ...
(“but it doesn’t make moral sense”).
Bob Popular again, I understand your point of view... but I refuse to be so naive and think that white kids in Midwest America had a complete different taste in music than their counterparts in NYC because that’s the way they were born;
I think their parents and friends told them which music is good for them and the whiter it is, the better.
I lived 3 years in America and that’s only my impression. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Bob Popular I’m British... so I live in England.
I’ve lived in NYC for three years. It was (almost) as multicultural as London and very liberal.
I’ve done coast to coast for 3 months and people were different and nice to me everywhere but most of them have never left their village or maybe their county.
Anyway, music is so universal and brings people together that it doesn’t matter where you’re from.
@@sycoanalyst BS. I was a teenager back then and remember when MTV debuted. Most of the consumers of Rap were white kids. And why would anyone be scared of Prince or MJ? David wasn't buying what MTV and Mark or Marc were selling. Record labels with huge white artists on their roster; had to be threaten to pull those white artists videos if they didn't put their black artists into the rotation.
@@sycoanalyst There was rap: Rappers Delight hit the top 40 in 1979.
Black music that was censored by MTV includes R&B and dance music- which is hardly scary. The anti-disco phase could be seen as anti-black. Goodman was right in that all the top 40 stations were doing the same racist thing. And who the hell is scared of Prince? I was a teenager in 83 in Kentucky and all us white girls loved him. Still do.
But I take issue most with you saying "Unlike today, there was actually a very wide spectrum for choice." Wrong wrong. Spotify, RUclips, and other streaming music services will let you explore any music your heart desires. That's how Lil Nas X got a number 1 country song. It's how Spanish Despicito became a number 1. You need to explore more.
I love how he's looking at him like, "I know you're bullshitting but carry on".
the guy is still alive SMH.
LMAO YEAH
So true.
Thats english politeness for you.
He is thinking "hmmm should i get him a shovel or should i just hire him a JCB?"
I love that this always circles back to my recommendations every February.
That's a good thing right?
I can’t believe this happened in my lifetime. I remember watching MTV back in the day and only seeing black artists on in the night time with Yo MTV raps. I remember thinking it was because the videos were explicit but looking back most of them weren’t. Funny how you can get used to something to the point where you don’t even question it especially as a kid. So grateful for people like David Bowie for speaking up but even HE was given a bunch of BS as to why it should stay that way😫😅
Your memory must be bad. I saw black artist all the time on MTV, especially in 88. I even saw them in 1981. In fact, I saw black musicians in MTV's first 100 videos. I remember it like it was yesterday. Signed a black man.
@@EnervatedSociety Er… did you not just watch this video in which the person from MTV admitted that very fact?
*Interviewer: We have to appease the racist crowd*
*David Bowie: Well.....how about you don’t?*
but that doesn't make as much money, unfortunately. As a company, their number one concern is to make as much money as possible. It's just a sad reality.
@@WLxMusic How sad. They should go cry us a river.
@@WLxMusic oh no 😭. Money is more important than racial equality?! You're a moron
@@jacobwheeler1348 No, I think he/she was just announcing MTV’s position as a point of reference. Random Awesome wasn’t supporting that position.
@@jacobwheeler1348 I think someone who doesn't understand the difference between a person saying "someone is doing something" and saying "someone should be doing something" ought not to be calling anyone a moron.
As a 45 y/o Black Man, David Bowie is one of my heroes! I wish most white males were like him. The world would be a better place. 🤎🖤🤍
Yep that's so true. Claiming you're anti racist (as most people nowadays do) is one thing, standing up and exposing inequality is another. Unfortunately today, most people say they are tolerant and anti racist but when push comes to shove all that most people ever care about is saving themselves and their beliefs.
Yup
He’s not buying any of the shit they sellin
And that's what makes me love him all the more.
😂 as he shouldn't cuz it's all a sack of lies
I just love that David Bowie glare
One big reason why MTV never really took off in the UK and Europe. They play a lot good music in the 80s and 90s, Cameo, Prince, Michael Jackson, Public Enemy etc. Soul II Soul. So much great music.
It’s a joke. MTV a rock channel. A really bad situation. No wonder MTV died. Not enough racists to keep it going. Thank god!
RUclips and online gave people what they wanted. They want black artists music videos - you can get them all now.
No matter what, progress will just do what it’s going to do. Now MTV is just 100% irrelevant and has been for decades now. Who’s habe thought 10 years after this video that MTV would have peaked and be struggling, 10 years after that in 2003 they were on life support. Now in 2020, MTV have basically died. Nearly 40 years later, no one I know under 30 goes “I remember MTV,” they are saying “What was MTV?”
@@nicholasdickens2801 What's MTV?
Iman picked a wonderful, wonderful man. What a strong, loving husband and head of household he must have been. RIP
I love the close up at the end of Bowie's expression. Thats the way to argue with decency. No temper,no rage,lots of diplomacy. Very evident the interviewer was waffling a bit with his reasons. Thanks MTV for uploading this. Dialogue is key to change.
saying Prince is to extreme for people to understand to a man who made his name as a Asexual Transgender space alien named Ziggy Stardust is hilarious.
Ziggy was bisexual, not asexual.
Asexual means you don't have sex lol
That is one full of the funniest things I’ve ever heard
@@cremetangerine82 oops. I know Bowie slept with everyone but I thought Ziggy the character was different. My bad
I thought he was tri- sexual..... meaning- try anything once!
Bowie's looking at him like "I got you. Why are you still trying to come up with excuses?"
Yes. Well said observation.
Yup
its show biz, they allways make excuses for being wrong
I would love to see Mark Goodman's face 30 years later when he watch that interview 😗
Well the sad part is that in 1983 curly guy opinion wasn't anyhow exceptional so he didn't got him because he says there 100% acceptable things at that time
David Bowie is my hero for doing this interview. R.I.P Legend !
Prince was from the Midwest! (Minnesota) I can't imagine how proud Bowie's daughter Lexi (she's half Black) was when she first saw this. As a Black woman myself, I respected Bowie for this.
“We have to play the music the entire country is gonna like” “well black people are a part of the country...”
minority is called minority for a reason
Black music and black culture has had a huge influence on America’s culture. It is not a Minority subculture, it is very main stream, pure racism from MTV.
@@oldcowbb and the minority has created the most popular genres, rock n roll, pop, and hip hop, so whats your point?
Exactly! That was a powerful confession that black people are not included in America!
@beckys2222 that's a really bad take considering white people back then still listened to black music regardless of mtv
David wasn’t afraid to be “THAT” person before it was the popular thing to do
The unpopular person
The unconventional person
The humans-first person ✊🏽
We should all aspire to be like david and speak up when we see something in the world that just isnt right.
@Logan Waltz well compared to the clowns that still fall in line, I'm still giving Bowie props. I see ur point but he was still doing it before it was cool.
but humans suck
@Triple JJ bro Bernie is disliked because he is a communist. He spent his honeymoon in the SOVIET UNION lmao. Not because he is like Bowie
A true punk! Standing up for what he believed in: justice & equality!
I love how David so calmly & intelligently dealt with this interview.
This man is incredible. So much integrity.
“Is that a valid point”
“I understand your point”
Bowie was NOT having it lmaooo
"I understand your point of view"
The most respectful "no it is clearly not"
What a boss
He was thinking "this is complete bull crap".
His face was like “please let me leave now”
“I can tell you what it means to a black teenager. And surely he’s part of America, too.” So well said
That part was beautiful ❤
But so untrue. A black teenager is NOT a part of Amerikkka. He's the most American person in the nation, but the least Amerikkkan. There's TWO, you know. The one built by Foundational Black Americans is AMERICA. The government and all their demonic tools (like RUclips, who deletes all black people's important posts) are AMERIKKKA! Big difference, and Amerikkka must be destroyed.
Narcissists forget they share the world with others
👏👏👏
Powerful way of challenging: rather than throwing your own righteousness in the other person’s face, ask probing questions and let them wrestle with them and conclude for themselves that they are falling short.
I bet that interviewer got up in the morning feeling he really ought to do some things very differently
"people in the Midwest would be scared of Prince"
Not only is prince one of the least intimidating people I can think of, but he's _from Minnesota._
a lot of people dont seem to understand that it's actually kind of right????
during that time, people probably would have been scared for the sole reason that racism just flat out DOESNT make sense.... that's like half of why it's so widespread in the south. uneducated people with misinformation. that's just how bigotry is.
people WOULD be scared to hear black artists because of how wrong they've grown up to know things. you also gotta take into consideration that in the midwest, some towns could be so small that ONLY white people live there, which might be scary for an uneducated, poor, white kid to hear even someone like prince... it was a hell of a different time back then... that being said, that doesnt make it the RIGHT thing to say, it's just a correct statement... even if prince was from minnesota
Prince should be scared of them polite Minnesotans, funky shit be happening in Fargo
@@bds70 That's why media censorship exists
It’s cos of his liberal image, and conforming sexuality. Conservatives don’t like that stuff, they’re phobic of it.
@isabel dillon I was a young (white girl from Texas) adult when this interview was done. Even then I was disgusted by MTV's stance. I'm still mortified daily by racist's ignorance. ☮️
Goodman: “This [white] kid ranted about what he didn’t wanna see on MTV” Bowie: “Well, that’s his problem.”
Bowie drops the mike. *Boom!*
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It's also theirs because the vast majority of their audience was white and likely thought along the same lines as that white kid, especially in the early 80s when very few black neighborhoods had access to cable. It might have been fucked to shaft black artists but MTV is a corporation that is solely motivated by profit which means you can't realistically expect them to act ethically when there aren't clear monetary incentives for them to do so.
@@remembertotakeshowerspleas355 yeah, it's a shame that companies make decisions not according to moral values but to what will get them more profit
Bowie ain't buying any of the shit he's sellin!
His stance on the matter is flawless and he knew it. He was seeking the RIGHT thing and he knew it. That is why his words, for me, ring so powerful; seeing a white man of that time speak out about racial injustice in the media is special.
A point I'd like to note is his absolute class in not trying to over-force the issue or bulldoze the interviewer with his perspective, but rather gracefully make his opinions clear without having to have the last word. I believe we could all try to be as undertsanding as he is here.
The guy makes a stand without causing a scene. Bowie was the man. There will be no other like him ✌️
"Some people don't like to see black faces"
"Ain't that interesting?"
The guy said "scared as hell".... thats soo fucked up.
Time stamp? as I seemed to have missed despite watching twice. The volume isn't great on the phone!
@@saira_6151 1:37
We need to stop calling each other "black" or "white". That would be a nice first step, I think.
@@ectoplasmicfeedback1480 There are undeniable disparities between white and black people in our society that simply could never be solved by just pretending they are the same historically and socially and that there are no social or economic differences between the two. Just as the sun isn't destroyed by blocking it with a piece of cloth, sistemic racism is not solved by ignoring the differences between white and black people (and I mean this socially. It's important to emphasize that there are no genetic differences between races significant enough to make one even slightly better or worse than the other. Fuck eugenics)
When Bowie said , I understand you're point of view. He meant, I understand American racism and you catering to it. Got it.
I love how he wouldn't concede to it "making sense"
@@Dagger_323 no exactly the opposite, is how I read it. He understands the point of view. But he doesn't believe it makes sense. It's like (for a random example) I can understand why some people are Creationists. But it certainly doesn't make sense to me.
Basically.
exactly
@@Dagger_323 No. Him saying he understands his point of view is basically saying, "I see how you come to that conclusion, but I don't agree with it."
David Bowie was an actual Royal by DNA. He was in my bloodline. He will always be a gem.
This is the right way to be critical Understand the perspective of the opposite, point out why you think they're wrong and not throw irrelevant names at them.The world needs you now more than ever David
Now MTV doesn't play music videos at all, just bad reality shows and adverts
Yeah mtv shouldn't be called mtv anymore. More like RTV. Reality-Television.
+Prometheus Antares A bitter-sounding guy in his 30/40s whining about "PC liberal reality tv crap".......interesting.
+SyTunes shots fired
Because we can just go to RUclips.
They follow the money
I love how Bowie uses the word "interesting" when he actually means "terrible" or "outrageous."
peak british behavior lol
Full meaning: "Interesting that you've chosen to sabotage yourself that way."
it's classic shade
@@Bestbeachesincalifornia was going to say the same thing! I'm British but I live in Spain, and more than once I've had people say that British people are too apologetic and it comes across as weak or spineless. And I'm like.... "Oooh. You heard a British person say 'sorry' and you thought they meant that they were sorry. That could have meant a million different things from 'what the fuck did you just say', to 'why are you still in my way' to 'thats the stupidest shit anyone has ever said to me ever'. If that's what 'sorry' can mean, just imagine what we mean when we say 'thats very interesting'.
Never forget:
“In April 1951, 650 British fighting men - soldiers and officers from the 1st Battalion, the Gloucestershire Regiment - were deployed on the most important crossing on the Imjin River to block the traditional invasion route to Seoul. The Chinese had sent an entire division - 10,000 men - against the isolated Glosters in a major offensive to take the whole Korean peninsula, and the small force was gradually surrounded and overwhelmed. After two days' fighting, an American, Major General Robert H. Soule, asked the British brigadier, Thomas Brodie: "How are the Glosters doing?" The brigadier, with English understatement, replied: "A bit sticky, things are pretty sticky down there." To American ears, this did not sound desperate, and so he ordered them to stand fast. The surviving Glosters were rescued by a column of tanks; they escaped under fire, sitting on the decks of the tanks.”
David Bowie is the man! They never would be answered those questions by anyone else. God bless him
Bowie absolutely wiped the floor with the interviewer trying to uphold the racist company line
He seems to be disgusted by that guy.
Can you blame him?
Not by that guy but by what that guy represented
Everyone should be..
@@rememberingtruth yeah
Remembering Truth yup 👍
Bowie was 100% real and authentic. No lies no false beliefs no hiding anything or trying to cater to anyone. He was a genuine human being.
And he dated iman and had a baby with her while other people questioned there relationship because of there race
Problem is today being genuine can get you cancelled.
@@CasperLD I agree, but sometimes "being genuine" is being an asshole or people just don't understand.
*"meme school"*
@@DIEGOalmanza100 Funny thing is Bowie would get cancelled today because he slept with 13 year olds
What a sharp and intelligent man. Those piercing eyes really speak to his intelligence as does his speak and witiness
He not only asked a difficult question in a time when NOBODY was talking about it but he did with CLASS. He is truly missed.
By that you mean no one white talked about it.
Classic British polite insult at the end: "I understand your point of view"
@Paul Wember My comment is about British mannerisms, nothing to do with anything you're on about. Don't be such a snowflake.
@Paul Wember Bruh what the fuck are you on about 😐
I love it, wish I could do the same
@Paul Wember I think it's because the rich people will have the immigrants be more likely to be gave a house in smaller towns, where an influx of people is much more noticeable
@Paul Wember Hey paul, you remind me of the Mark Goodman guy from this video I'm watching! An obsolete closeted racist
the title needs to be changed to “David Bowie interviewing a racist media source”
No need to be "woke" with that comments
As soon as this whole racism thing blow out, you wouldn't even care anymore
Stop with your BS
@@TMthe33rd Bruh, thats literally what the video is about though, did you even watch it.
TM33 im half korean in southern america, believe me, i have never stopped caring about racism
I don't think MTV Is racist
@Seán's Mobile
Yes.
I think MTV Is 💩 for a lot of Reason.
But MTV racist i think Is too much.
Wow Bowie owned this interview. So polite yet firmly highlighting the
issue. The MTV guy "s comments betrayed him...and M TV. Love it that Bowie said Isley Bros and Spinners would mean something to 17 year old black kids in the US
David Bowie ROCKED!! Having Black Artist back!!
Not only is Bowie correct, he’s also polite about it and even lets the other guy talk mostly without interruption. Rare thing to witness nowadays.
of course it is rare....people are less tolerant nowadays with racists.
Amen!!! Please bring manners back!!!!
I think it’s a very clever way of exposing some very shitty thinking. He’s giving the guy enough rope, knowing that he’ll eventually hang himself with it. Far more effective than shutting people down or taking away their platform, it instead puts bad ideas in the spotlight and showing them for what they are, rather than letting them fester away at the fringes. Louis Theroux also does this well, I wonder if he learned it from Bowie?
English manners.
"Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake". Bowie was a master here. He was letting the interviewer dig his own grave.
"does that make sense?"
"I understand your point of view" *fake smile*
damn...
Fantastic David Bowie, this world lost a great entertainer and gentleman 💕
That was really the cherry on top of this whole interview.
The smile was genuine. The guy from MTV had just openly admitted what Bowie could only allude to. And good on the guy from MTV for a fairly frank, even if inadvertent, confession. A great example of how to address the elephant in the room.
@@nagualdesign fair point. Though I had the impression he wasn't happy with his answer. But that could just be me.
@@nagualdesign can you translate?
We really could use a guy like Bowie in music today😢
I can't believe Mark Goodman came out his mouth like that. Props to David Bowie ❤
That is why David Bowie is a legend and MTV is dead.
Actually, he's dead and they just moved on to producing more degenerate culture destroying rubbish.
David Bowie is indeed a legend, and immortal, whatever corporeal form he's currently in.
Jesse Ventura implying he’s not a legend with your comment I see. Yes he’s dead but he’s also a legend
Jesse Ventura sure they’re around but come on. MTV is no where near where they once were. They don’t even play music anymore they are basically just a reality television station. The company could have been at the forefront of the digital revolution as they actually had a head start but they were slow to adapt. They are if not literally, figuratively dead. And Bowie is, though dead, a legend. That’s what OP meant.
Ironic how MTV is the one who posted this
...and then Thriller came out.
MTV: "We love black artists!!"
elvisleeboy Actually, you need to do your research. The Thriller album came out in 1983.
Ian Findly lol his music video opened the MTV gates for all the black artists!!! And you hate that fact?
@@ultravioletgaia Absolutely he hates that fact HAHAHAHA Black artist kick their asses and sure this kind of people don't wanna admit it 😂😂😂
@@ianfindly3257 Go made music video better than his, like you're the one who sing, dance with your overblown ass... then I'll see how much you can sell with it, the impact of your video to music 🤣🤣🤣 eh I believe zero. Bye!! 😂😂😂
Rii Kean,
Groaaannnnnnn!! . . Boy, look here, I don't care to get into some stupid RACE COMPETITION like you seem to want ( " Black artists kick their asses" ), so I'm not going to take THAT bait, thanks but no thanks. Suffice it to say, I just didn't like Jackson's Thriller. I've always found it bloated, silly and cheesy as hell - especially with age over time, and think it destroyed the music video art form early on. The only thing that made it "ground breaking" or "revolutionary" was it's BUDGET and PRODUCTION scope. No music video made before it had that much money put into it - but every one that followed in it's wake had to cost a bazillion dollars. And that "opened the gates for black" doesn't mean anything to me, sorry.
Always been a fan of Bowie even as a metal head for most of my life. Dude had the balls to make a name for himself and calling out bullshit.
The legend. Love how Bowie put this guy in his place and exposed the racism of MTV.
When David Bowie said “I’ll tell you what Marvin Gaye means to a BLACK 17 year old” it blew my minddddd the interviewer really said a 17 year old to mean a white person and David was not having it!!!!! So ahead of his time!!!!
Ahead of his time? I have never even heard of anyone today that can dance around his opponent's words as gracefully as Bowie did. He didn't even raise his voice at all. He got everything he wanted out of the interviewer with the subtlest questions.
One Intelligent Dude 😎👍
He didn’t say I understand your point, he said “I understand your point of view” definition: you’re racists 😂
On the nose.
@KingOfGorillas they didn't have a choice,..rap took over,..once they pulled back, they had to do other things same with vh1..
@KingOfGorillas When it comes to music I think this is a BS reasoning. There are white people who love rap and black people who love country music. You have black people who hate rap and white people who hate country music.
Saying that black kids love rap or prince is stereotyping them. We don't say about ALL white people that they ALL love country music.
However the discussion in this video is about representation in the media.
Music is like food. Different people, different tastes.
Exactlyyyy ughhhhh
@@misshoneynevercame4832 now but not so much back then. That's your problem, and over all problem with a lot of people's now a days, you're judging the past through the standards of today. Back then not a lot of white people liked rap or rnb. Just like not a lot of black people liked rock and country. Now its quite different
God bless you David! This masterpiece read never gets old and unfortunately remains true to this day. The marketing of deliberate ignorance. Rest in Peace ☮️
1:40 "Pick some town in the Midwest that would be scared to death by Prince"
Wish David had interrupted and said "You mean a town like Minneapolis? Where Prince is from?"