10 Movies That Hated Their Own Audience
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Cinematic contempt at its most thinly-veiled.
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When is @WhatCulture going to do "10 Movies that have shown up in at least 15 WhatCulture Lists"
Cabin in the Woods was more of a loving conversation between a writer/director that enjoys the source material and the audience with whom they shared that enjoyment. There didn't feel like any disdain at any point.
Agreed! I didn't think it belonged on this list.
@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Right? It was almost more of a winking homage to the intelligence of horror movie audiences.
I don't get why it's on here either. The Ancient Ones are obviously supposed to represent the audience and they're powerful beings that destroy the world. If the movie hated its audience, they wouldn't have been portrayed like that.
Agreed 👍🏽.
The Ghost in the Shell manga has a footnote in the first chapter that Major Motoko Kusanagi is: 1: A pseudonym, 2, may or may not be Japanese, and 3: may or may not even be one single person. The ability to swap out physical bodies to suit her needs is addressed in the manga, and while I didn't think the live action movie's twist was spectacular, I didn't think it was insulting to the fan who understand the source materials either. **MOST** of the complaining I saw from the internet were from people who thought the original Mamoru Oshii film was what this movie was going to be an adaptation of, when that movie itself doesn't even follow the manga faithfully.
EXACTLY ! The live action film could have negated the "whitewashing" criticism and explained this in a single 60 second scene, pointing out that Major Kusanagi can swap bodies and look like whatever she wants. (Rather than wait to the end of the film, buy which point a lot of fans were too alienated to wait for it.)
Based on all the criteria you yourself gave as to why a film might hate its audience, you could've included pretty much all MCU films of the last few years
You forgot the Last Jedi.
Well, also the Force Awakens, since it had no respect for its audience. “Here’s a collage of Star Wars tropes that worked before, but with no innovation, and a waste of the old characters even before TLJ.”
@@user-lb9xw4xf2q Thats true. But TLJ was a real slap in the face personally.
[THUNDEROUS AGREEMENT]
"Somehow, Star Wars hates you!"
From what I've heard about Ghost in the Shell, majority of Japanese audiences didn't care about Scarlett Johnson playing the major.
yep its really just the north american blue hairs that were the issue with that one
Not a movie but can't help reading the title of this video and not mentally seeing twerking She-Hulk.
@@PhilBertranif you like she hulk seek professional help
Her telling Bruce that he, a person who saw his mother murdered by his father in front of him as a child, had it easy as a man because she was once cat-called in the street bothered me. The twerking scene was just a quick middle-finger to the fan-base. The head "writer" even stated it was intended to be so. @@PhilBertran
"We did irreputable damage to the brand and lost millions in cash but did you see how the plebs reacted!!!111 LOL "@@PhilBertran
@@PhilBertranret@rd.
Tell us you never read a single She Hulk comic without telling us. I loved the show, personally, save for the last episode. There's meta, there's breaking the 4th wall, and then there's.....whatever that was.
What about Morbius?
Everyone involved wasn't even trying to make the movie look decent
They were just trying to sell us a brand
Because they assumed we would consume anything with a Marvel brand
So much that they delayed the movie again to add scenes tgat would tie in with the events of NWH
All thanks to Avi Arad
I think that I'm just easily amused. I watched on a flight. I didn't hate it. I probably won't watch it again. But I didn't hate it.
Regarding GITS, most of the hate wasn't about it not being like the manga, but instead not like the 1995 animated film. Which is also nothing like the manga. Nor were either of them all that much like the Stand Alone Complex animated TV series.
And in that TV series, which is generally well liked, there's an episode that reveals that the Major was a Japanese girl injured in a plane crash and later put into a Caucasian shell. Just like in the live action movie. ScarJo was just fine in the live action and people need to calm down.
Your facts about the source material are hurting the feelings of all the lefty racists. They are perfectly happy with changing perfectly good source material for a good race and gender swap, but only if it goes one way....
EXACTLY!!! The whole argument is defeated by the very name of the franchise. It's not about the SHELL, but the GHOST in the shell...Kusanagi's shell was destroyed at the end of the movie, and had to get a new one, but she was the same Major, because it's the GHOST in the shell that matters.
Just ten? Most mainstream movies since 2015 hated their audience.
Interesting list. I think in many cases the audience confuses hate with different path. For one, an audience does not "own" a property. If the creator makes changes that I don't like, then yes, it is disappointing. I deal with it, though, and move on with my life. For example, would I like an adult TMNT movie with actual blood? Hell yes! Am I gonna get it? Not in a million years. Does it mean the creators hate me? No. But they have a different path. But I adapt. Saw the new one, and it was good. Perfect, no, but good. I think this is the case for many Star Wars/Disney properties.
Well, they certainly don't love them or else they'd give them what they want. But Disney definitely hate their audience.
Ill never watch anything that hates me. Thats why velma is the worst
That's the point
@@john-leninI guess that's why it sucks
Is it the worse tho?
That title is very intriguing.
I shall definitely watch this video in the coming decade.
Every movie since, what, 2015 😂
Pacific Rim Uprising suffered unless you read the "prequel" book, Pacific Rim Uprising: Accension. It gave everyone a back story that help flesh out the characters that suffered anonymity in the film. It was a bridge story between the two films.
I would include Uncharted
They made the movie around the casting of Tom Holland
They didn't cared whether the fans liked or not
They just assumed they would love him as Nathan Drake the same way they loved him as Spider-Man
So much that they made the treasure hunting plot as by the numbers as possible
Every live-action Disney movie from the past 5 years.
I felt sure you were going to include that GI Joe movie where Duke was killed early in the movie. I guess that one was so bad everybody forgot about it
Is that the one that they redubbed so he's "in a coma"?
-The Last Airbender
-Artemis Fowl
-Star Wars sequel trilogy
-Any movie by Uwe Boll
Artemis especially as it was a HUGE world that could have made a LOT of money, if they had actually made a decent movie.
Hopefully a good reboot will come along when the bad taste has left everyone's mouths.
@@lfcbproUnfortunately the bad taste may take years to dissipate; if Artemis or even Airbender were rebooted anytime in the foreseeable future they would have the same trouble as the Judge Dredd reboot - too many people not understanding that it’s a reboot and not a sequel.
Especially since both Artemis and Airbender were teased as chronicles
@@marklane2718 I don't know too much about Airbender, but they are making a tv show about it, and fans are apparently happy with the way it looks, so maybe that has hope.
Artemis bombed so badly, I think hardly anyone knows it exists, so can only hope most people have forgotten a movie was ever made, lol
@@lfcbproJust seen the Netflix Airbender trailer and it looks like it can work if it adheres to source material and kept miles away from M Night Shyamalan
I've seen most of these and natural born killers is probably the most rewatchable.
I feel like whoever keeps bringing up Cabin In the Woods in the WC team doesn't seem to understand that Whedon loves subervsion and satire. Pretty much the entire movie may as well be a love letter to the practice of subversion, and people who know his style went in knowing about it and just enjoyed the hell out of it.
Based on the title of the video, I really expected to see the Star Wars sequel trilogy listed, especially Rise Of Skywalker.
Bad take on Ghost in the Shell, the Major can be in any body with any appearance, and her eyes have a more western appearance
She was American in the manga though.
Rian Johnson shot a steady stream of urine right out of the screen of The Last Jedi onto any true fan in the audience.
Still a better movie than “Rise of Skywalker “…
@@baxtersmom279 All the sequels were garbage.
Not that the prequels were any better--Lucas was in full control of those, proving his weakness as a writer, since he was no longer aided by Marsha Lucas & Gary Kurtz, who extensively rewrote his scripts before walking out during "Return of the Jedi," which ended up looking more like a toy commercial than a movie.
His argument was that anyone could be a Jedi, but instead we're stuck only caring about 2 bloodlines. I don't know how people are against that, but here we are. He did do Luke dirty though.
@@TheSamLowry This guy gets it.
The Flash easily should've been put on here.
No, it shouldn't
Andy Muschietti had more faith in his vision than WB
So much that they were seriously considering shelving the movie
@@LeonardoKlotz I think it was Walter Hamada's Vision More so, and Andy was just a Director for Hire.
And Hamada's Vision was to Destroy The Snyderverse, More Thoroughly. I hate The Movie, because instead of Listening to Fans and Restoring The Snyderverse, they made a Movie that Attacks people who love Zack Snyder's Justice League and The Snyderverse of The DCEU.
@@The_Double_U Andy wasn't a director for hire
If he was, the movie would've become as visually as boring as Blue Beetle, which was totally a product of a director for hire
James Gunn loved Muschietti's work so much that gave him a chance to helm "The Brave and the Bold"
@@LeonardoKlotz Well, even if he wasn't a Director for Hire, The Flash was still a Terrible Movie.
I'm Not saying Andy Muschietti is a Bad Director or anything, I liked his IT Movies, and I'm interested in checking out some of his Other Stuff. But The Flash was still a Terrible Movie weather you liked The DCEU Snyderverse or Not. Whatever makes Walter Hamada's dream of Attacking Snyderverse DCEU Fans happy (which THANKFULLY isn't paying off for him.)
@@The_Double_U well, I liked The Flash especially because of Andy Muschietti
It was because of him that I went to see the movie, not because of the titular character, Michael Keaton, or even because it was DC
Ghost in the Shell is one of the most wrongly hated films. The thought that a major studio would spend 200 million on a film and not have a bankable star is a hard/impossible sell right now, it was unfathomable in 2017. There is no rule that says you have to cast ethnically appropriate people adaptions that are not made for that market. They would have had to cast an unknown Japanese girl to star in this in western countries to avoid the criticism, which would have then guaranteed it failed.
My vote is the Last Jedi. Johnson hated Star Wars and its fans. It basically destroyed the entire plot and many of the things that people loved about Star Wars, just because of ego.
Every MCU and Star Wars project from recent past
Why Cabin in the Woods? I disagree with that for sure. It felt more like an homage or a well crafted commentary than a statement of hate for its viewers. Not unlike Scream, it takes into account its genre and viewership yet allows it to play out, without letting you out of its gaze or it yours.
You know the difference between that and hate when , at the end of the film, you’re left wondering why the director has chosen to cast the audience as the villain that required vanquishing.
Some of these movies only went so far as to “shine a light on” its audience as opposed to “hate”. Others mocked and some merely acknowledged.
This list is all over the place for that reason. But it’s a good reminder that, although WhatCulture is generally consistent and immensely enjoyable, it isn’t journalism and is not beholden to the premise of objectivity.
The individual hosts can be prone to appear as if they took a few of these films personally. No shade.
CBITW was fucking amazing! Love Evil Dead? Love Cabin in the Woods.
I liked Ghost in the Shell. It does explain why she's not Asian (her consciousness was put into a robot which could be any ethnicity)
Every Jurassic Park film after the original was a gigantic FU to its audience and fan base.
Studio saying "You'll pay to see it anyway. No matter how bad it is."
The Marvels.
Any list of movies/filmmakers who clearly hate their audience is incomplete without Harmony Korine and Lars Von Trier
I felt personaly ofended by Blonde, Babylon and Elvis. Specialy Elvis tried harf to make me throw up with all those sudden changes and cgi'd fake scenarios🤮
Funny Games - Ive only watched the original, but i dont think it hates its audience, but asks them to think about the relationship with what theyre watching. For eg most of the brutality happened off camera, but it was still stomach churning
How is the whole list not just recent Disney garbage? The Star Wars sequels and the last several years of Marvel sewage were created specifically to hate on the people who loved the originals of those properties. Same for several other Disney properties outside of those IPs: Specifically designed to be snide about people who love Disney films. To the point where Disney has alienated their previously-dedicated fanbase to the point of losing north of a billion of dollars, while solidly blaming "the fans" for every failed movie.
I love “WAHT CULCHAHHH”
Way too many adds in this video. There was like 1 every 90 secs.. ended up closing this clip after 3mins.. not worth wasting my time watching it when the creators allow youtube to put so many ads in.
Wait, so, the Ghost In The Shell movie faithfully depicted something in the source material, which Western audiences got outraged over, and blamed the movie for not respecting the source material!? WOW, talk about an accusation being a confession!
This was written by someone who watch a few videos about movies and nothing else.
AVI ARAD ruined GHOST IN THE SHELL
He probably made it as an excuse for him to sell toys
That's why BORDERLANDS and KRAVEN THE HUNTER are doomed to fail
And probably LEGEND OF ZELDA as well
Fo real
Yeah, sadly I fully expect Borderlands to be a car crash.
@@DavoInMelbourne especially after hearing that Craig Mazin asked for his own name to be removed from the writing credits
avi arad is the worst. Someone needs to give him a free ticket on the next deep sea sub ride
The live action "Ghost in the Shell" had none of the wonder or artistry of the original. It felt quite flat.
There are some great films on this list.
The Dead Don’t Die.
Natural Born Killers was a good film, though a bit surreal as it throws hard fists at the glorification of violence in society. In that way, it is a lot like another controversial film: A Clockwork Orange.
I have not seen "The House That Jack Built" but if I do, I know I will be measuing it against the film "Man Bites Dog" for shocking violence.
Good point
No mention of the Star Wars sequels? They just gave a finger to Star Wars fans and said "We're just here to make money, we don't care about you guys at all."
Maybe The Last Jedi, that movie seemed downright hateful towards its audience and the franchise as a whole. The Force Awakens though, that was definitely meant to be a handy given to fans. The problem was it was to fans still angry about the Prequels, which were already well on their way to be loved by either fans of the Clone Wars series or grown up Prequel kiddies.
I don't think they hate Star Wars or it's fans. They just conflate wars and Trek into 1 giant all-around wrong amalgam.
@@JounLord1 - Force Awakens was the very source of the rot. Remaking A New Hope was lazy, it diminished the existing storyline and left the next movies little room to progress without just copying the other originals.
As far as I'm concerned all three sequel movies are rubbish.
@@RictusHolloweye Don't get me wrong, it IS the source of the rot, just not the source of the fan hate. Its the source of the "sacred cow" that had become the OT and its fanboys who had been angry for well over a decade about the Prequels. A continuation of that hate and anger. Made for the "real fans" which were already growing less and less relevant as Prequels kids aged into their 20s and 30s. It was a lazy reboot of ANH with the blandest and most boring aliens, planets and designs all to say "look, look we are doing Star Wars right". Which apparently doing SW right to them meant doing little different from the original save being worse.
@@JounLord1 - You make good points.
As someone who was around to see the original Star Wars, I cringe at much of the reaction to the prequels. They were disappointing in many ways... but they still had a lot going for them and anyone who really hated them had the option to simply not watch them again. Truly a lot of drama queens came out of the woodwork, which led to Lucas selling the rights, which led to the Disney slop we've been fed (except for Rogue One and Andor, they're pretty awesome).
If only the original "fans" had acted like adults we might still be getting good movies and shows.
I refuse to watch number 1 along with A Serbian Film. I have a strong stomach. I can sit through gory violence and torture. I can watch a horror movie alone in the dark and go right to sleep after. But I’ve seen enough review of those movies to know I don’t even want to see if I can sit through them.
They are movies made just for the sake of making sick movies.
There is no value to them, either of them.
Same. Although I've watched the rest of Pasolini's output. Just hearing about this or seeing a trailer makes it too repugnant to watcg
How is it sad that a business wants to make money?
Cannibal Holocaust. It's message was, "This film is completely repugnant and you, dear viewers, are complicit by watching it. Everyone is horrible."
Ghost in the Shell especially so. When the fanbase is open and accepting to several different timelines and a HUGE tonal shift from the comics, if you lose them it's on you... not them. ...except for SAC_2045, what flaming garbage.
I'm not going to defend Ghost in the Shell because it's kind of rough but I don't like the whitewashing allegations. If in real life, a bunch of Japanese dudes made a robot that was female, you better believe it would be a white woman.
I absolutely loaded funny games ( German version)
Is that loved or loathed?
The Brothers Grimm (2005) needed to be on this list. Terry Gilliam tortured the audience with that one.
Spring Breakers SUCKS! The movie sold itself as an over the top horny college girls gone bad movie. Not for me thanks. However many friends of mine were trying to sell me that the movie was misadvertised, it’s really profound and has a lot to say and it is really artfully done. So I watch it, it’s the stupid over the top horny college girls gone bad movie I knew it was.
Not even the eye candy can save that pile of donkey shit film
For months after I saw that my wife and I said 'Spring break forever man' in our most stoned voices whenever we saw anything that sucked.
I bet the new "Snow White" will be next
Dude...as a colombian, you sound racist at this point. Stop following ladyballers ideas. Plus Rachel Zegler was amazing in The new hunger games while ladyballers movie was 100% self inflicted humiliation.
@@lealmelisaget help.
This list ignores the biggest offender: Last Jedi
Snow White will need to be added soon 😂
😄😄😄
… the Hobbit.
This list could be made up entirely of Disney Star Wars and Disney marvel films 😂
You missed The Last Jedi Rian Johnson absolutely loathes Star Wars fans
Ghost in the shell was a terrible movie but you've obviously never seen the manga or the anime