John Carter is actually a really good popcorn flick it just had the unfortunate timing of releasing while the first Avengers was in theaters, Fantastic 4 was DOA with all the deviations from the source material and notoriously troubled production, and Geena Davis proved she could be an action star in one of my favorite Christmas movies The Long Kiss Goodnight truly underrated film.
@Zombiesnyder13 But it wasn't just the troubled production. Every detail that came out about the film was rejected by most fans, particularly when they announced it was going to be a dark and gritty body horror film, in stark contrast to the tone of the comics. Then they changed Victor Von Doom from a dictator to an Internet troll, changed his name to Victor Domashev, etc.
When I was a senior in highschool, 1985, the Heaven's Gate fiasco and the ultimate bankruptcy of United Artists was cited as an example of bad business practices in my textbook in my introduction to business class
In fairness to Cutthroat Island, it did not actually kill Carolco. Like Orion and Cannon, the studio was already in a bad position. The movie's failure only ensured their fate, not caused it.
Don't forget the Disney Marvel phase 5 movies, those Disney execs were smoking something when they thought they could pump out schlock and expect profits.
Fantastic Four should have been a real breakthrough for Kate Mara, putting her on the A-list, but alas. She's been stuck in either supporting roles or leading smaller independent films or TV shows ever since. And we're all poorer for it. There are so many roles I'd rather have seen her in than whoever ended up actually doing it (what about Kate Mara as Sarah Connor in Terminator Genysis?) but this reality is just not the reality that happened in.
Call me whatever you want but the Synder cut of the JL movie was pretty damn good. Was it long hell yes, but the way it fleshed out Cyborgs character and gave him more development alone was well worth it.
I don't care what people say, I still love the Speed Racer movie. Its cheesy, goofy and kind of jank in places.... which makes it the best Speed Racer adaption!
I love the reference of "fans of the [John Carter of Mars] books". The only "fan" I knew was my dad, who was 75 when it came out. OTOH, Heaven's Gate, while admittedly bankrupting United Artists, is a tremendous film. Within a couple of years, Cimino made Heaven's Gate, Spielberg made 1941 and Coppola made One From The Heart. None of them made money, two of them bankrupted their studios, and the critics had a lot of fun laughing at the 70s "young guns" coming unstuck.
it's always damned if you do- keep making the same film/type of film over and over and damned if you don't -try different things, be creative even if it's a creative failure.
3:41 Cutthroat Island scared studios off of the Pirate genre for a full 8 years before Disney rolled the dice with POTC. Renny Harlan's career was in shambles because of Cutthroat Island, but his and Geena Davis' next movie, The Long Kiss Goodnight is still one of the greatest action movies ever made, so saying Davis couldn't be an action star holds absolutely no water. She made Charlie Baltimore an ice skating, gun toting, sure shot badass. It didn't hurt to have Samuel Jackson as her co-star and a script by Shane Black, but Geena Davis was an action star!! I wish we could have seen her in more action roles, because she would have slayed!!
Personally, I'd like to see an old school Batman or Superman movie. No supernatural or alien stuff. Lex Luthor robbing banks, the Riddler wearing a green suit with question marks, etc.
Characters like Superman are "beacons of hope and light" and are not dark characters. Batman is an exception, as he moves in the shadows and is known as "The Dark Knight". Filmmakers trying to translate a "Nolan-style" to characters that aren't dark or brooding was bound to fail.
I must be a dork. I liked Cutthroat Island and the first 2 Fantastic 4 movies. Not great but not horrible. 1970s Swashbuckler with Robert Shaw and Kay Lenz is also a great pirate movie panned by critics. Liked John Carter as well, but I read the books a bunch when I was a kid so I got it
I actually always thought the first two Fantastic Four films were actually about as good as a FF the fans were going to get. It had the right tone for the comics and actually was pretty fun. Yes, Jessica Alba had zero chemistry with the guy who played Reed Richards, but other than that it was actually very good with a great cast. The fans just have unrealistic expectations about FF. It was always a kind of goofy silver age comic
I didn't watch Solo because I wasn't that interested in him. It was better than episode 8 and 9 though. John Carter didn't deserve to fail so hard. I didn't realize John Carter was super old. I did watch it with zero expectations and it was actually really good. I never heard of John Carter until I watched this. They should have kept "Mars" in the title so we have some idea what it's about. I expected The Flash to be on the list. I did not expect The Flash to be The Flop. That movie seemed big and it fell flat on it's face.
The story I heard about John Carter's marketing was that the film was intended to jump start a Disney sci-fi franchise, but it timed out almost exactly with the company's purchase of Lucasfilm, so they bailed on giving the marketing campaigns any budget. Whatever the reasons, I agree: It was a fun film that should have been treated better.
X Men Apocalypse should have been a surefire hit after the successes of First Class, DOFP and deadpool. Instead, nlt only was it an awful and disappointing film, it also underperformed which led to them getting rid of Bryan Singer and getting Simon Kinberg to direct Dark Phoenix and we all know how that turned out
What about TASM2? The producers were so certain the movie was gonna be a hit that they were more focused on selling the next product rather than their current product
You're aware that the worst parts of Justice League were because of Whedon, right? He's responsible for the need of the cgi lip, and cut down both the Flash's and Cyborg's part to make them practically superfluous. You made it sound like he was the only saving grace. There's a reason the Snyder cut is so much more popular!
Justice League and Batman Vs Superman had something in common. They were Warner Brothers RUSH JOB to create a cinematic universe and immediately catch up to the already established MCU. No surprise it failed.
Noope there’s a lot more on him that the Rat 🐀 won’t release cause of Kennedy the troll 🧌 all you people complaining about it there’s too many stuff on fit not solo so that’s your business and I’m not the only one but unfortunately Disney is got their hands on stuff there’s more stories with lawn Moore’s younger that will never see so yeah whatever
I guess you've never read the A C Crispen trilogy, and after the second novel the Brian Daley trilogy before A C Crispen's final novel Rebel Dawn which ends in the cantina just before Han meeting Luke and Obi-Wan.
-Heaven's Gate bankrupted UA. The main problem was that Cimino filmed hundreds of hours of movie that didn't add anything at all. -John Carter is a good movie with terrible marketing. The original books are the grandfathers of Star Wars-Dune-Avatar. -Nobody never remembers the big box Office bomb that was "Mars needs Moms" -In this year 2023 we have The Marvels as a great failure.
John Carter came to screens far too late. It was released well after John Carter rip-offs hit the cinemas. By the time of it's release, it was nothing new.
The Kessel Run was a fix to the original. A Parsec is a distance not a time. So when Han claimed to do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs it was a mistake. Like saying "I ran 10 miles in only 5 miles" made no sense. So in Solo they changed it to "taking a shortcut." This may be the only reason why they made Solo--- to keep Lucas from looking like a dumbass.
There is another theory that parsecs are the correct unit of measure owing to Hans' superior smuggling abilities. If he can figure out a way smuggle your freight in a shorter distance then he can be both faster and cheaper.
Nah, no one cared except science nerds, and even they did not care that much. It was "fixing a problem" where no one really cared about the problem. It could easily be written off as Han Solo braggadocio and he knew he was saying nonsense. Most Star Wars fans actually always just wrote this off as precisely that to "fix it"
@@bobross1829 It's James Cameron digitally fixing the star position in Titanic to match what they were when the ship actually hit the iceberg all over again. I don't think Big Egos handle criticism well--or they're perfectionists.
2 things first I thought Cut Throat Island was a great movie and had 1 of the best sea battles in any movie, and 2 how can you sit there and say you can't make a bad Star Wars movie? Can I reintroduce the Prequels, or the Christmas special, or even the sequels that Disney made?
Sometimes a studio just underestimates the level of taste of the audience. See also the video game crash of the 1980s... no, we will NOT just buy anything because it features our favorite IP. Unless we're impressionable little kids. People still know crap when they see it, you can't blind us by slapping our favorite IPs on it and calling it a day.
Solo was way better than the Three Sequels, which i left in one the cinema, mid film because i was so disgusted.... John Carter was not bad for me too... and about the DC catastrophics...totally dislike...
I loved BvS & defended it vehemently. Loved Ben’s look for Bruce & Bats. But the movie was a major flop. The first time Batman & Superman shared the screen. Not to mention wonder woman first big apperance. Lex & Doomsday apperances & cameos from other JL members. I would of changed a good amount of the film. Like not making supes a dark character or doing metallo instead of a psuedo doomsday. Not making Batman a killer but a brutal vigilante. The Batman made $770M on a 45 day short window before straight to max & with covid lingering. BvS did $880M with all i mentioned etc.
i agree...Justice League (theatrical cut) was a load of crap! However, when they released the "Snyder Cut," it blew the theatrical version out of the water...they should have left Joss Whedon smoking whatever woke crap he was smoking & far away from this movie.
Justice League - I lost interest in the DC movies quite a while back. Where the MCU seemed to be a mostly cohesive world, the DCU just seemed like a mish-mash of movies that were supposed to be connected, and kinda, sorta were, but with an ever changing cast of Batman actors, and movies that don't fit, but after included anyway (Shazam). I took one look at the giant CGI fest that was Aquaman and said no thanks. Plus you have movies like the confusingly named suicide squad movies that casual viewers don't even know were supposed to be set in the same universe. At least I think they're set in the same universe. The DCU is just a mess. Solo: A Star Wars Story - A perfect demonstration of the FACT that studio executives are incapable of judging quality and that they see all movies of a given genre as being interchangeable. Star Wars became as big as it is because of George Lucas, his vision and his care in crafting the movies (special editions not withstanding). So the studio just assumed that if you take the characters, write a quick story and slap the Star Wars name on it, it will be just as successful as any of the other films. After all, if all movies of a given genre are interchangeable, and you don't look at quality, there's no reason it shouldn't succeed, right?
Agreed 💯 too bad it'll always be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though
How could you not mention Heaven's Gate? It's not many movies that can claim the utter destruction of a big studio. Solo is the only Star Wars movie that I didn't bother to see at the cinema. I saw most of them multiple times while they were still on initial release. I was even looking forward to it, but the trailers really shut down my interest. It wasn't a terrible movie, not even the worst Star Wars movie, but it was just...meh. I would have preferred a story about what Obi Wan was up to for 19 years on Tatooine, which eventually made it to television.
Yeah, too bad it'll only be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though
@@hunterrousseau3770I am so excited for the batman 97 reboot...but aside from that I'm really bummed we will never get the knighmare flick. That honestly looked so good, and Jared Leto actually pulled of the joke in that...which is bizare because he was the worst joker.
When I think of "Cutthroat Island" I smile ! It is a Saturday morning popcorn muncher on steroids with grandiose illusions and too much budget ruined by the male himbo lead Mathew Modine !That man almost screwed up a "Transporter" movie ! One of the many things that keeps me up at night is how do him ,Seth Rogan & Melissa MCcarthey keep getting movies ?
(2:39) So, we're not going to mention the race-swapping of Johnny Storm as part of the pre-marketing failure? There went your core fan base of comic book enthusiasts. It was easy with Nick Fury and Samuel L. Jackson, but the Human Torch?, no way and it translated at the box office.
I liked Cutthroat Island, and loved John Carter. Never did see Monuments Men. Heaven's Gate was unique in its day. When movies were speeding up and tightening stories- Cimino went off book... never wanted to see Valentine's Day. and after Man of Steel, (started great- last half hour suuuuuuckkkkked)- I expected every Snyderverse movie to suck. I was not surprised.
BvS would have been a much better movie if 1) they released the extended version in theaters and 2) they cast literally anyone else as Lex Luthor. The Snyder cut of JL was a far superior movie as well.
Yeah too bad it'll only be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though 🦇🦸
Justice League tried to introduce too many characters at once. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg were all dropped in with next to no introduction and both the antagonist and the key MacGuffin (three magic boxes) were just there with minimal explanation. In contrast, nearly every part of Avengers Assemble had already been introduced: Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America all had at least one solo film and Agent Coulson, Nick Fury, Black Widow and Hawkeye all had prominent roles in at least one of those; the main villain Loki was a key part of Thor and the MacGuffin (tesseract) was a key part of Captain America, all that was required was, well, assembling them all in one place since most of the exposition had already been done. The first person I think of when I hear “John Carter” is the doctor in ER.
That last point is exactly why the movie John Carter failed. It had a name that could be associated with a completely different character from a different production.
First Dawn of Justice Batman vs superman and DC Justice League also, fantastic four sequel and Star Wars young Han solo plus John Carter. If they had problems at else, they all made more great franchise and money for future movies next year and more
Speed Racer was actually really, really good. But it definitely has a small number of people who feel the way I do. Most people probably never saw it. I saw it while taking hallucinogens. It was amazing.
If Josh Trank taught us anything, is that you can't go from a low-budget movie to a big-budget movie You need to go from low to medium, and then from medium to big Is all about gaining credibility. You never know when a studio is gonna think they can control you. You need to show them that you know what you're doing, better than them.
I think Trank would've been better off working with Max Landis on a Chronicle trilogy with each sequel upping the budget & VFX gradually, and then *maybe* they work on bigger IPs depending on the reception
The Flash? Indiana Jones 5? Those two lost more money than many of these films combined, and they should have been box office successes. I honestly thought they would be at the number 1 - 3 spots of this list. PS: and John Carter was pretty good. But no film is going to succeed if it’s called John Carter and the poster looks like it was a copy paste made with Paint.
Batman v Superman is one of my favorite movies to watch. Yes it’s flawed but it hits me right in my sweet spot. At the time it came out I wasn’t looking at critics bashing it online. All I remember was being 15 years old walking out of the theater feeling like my life had changed and that was the most epic movie experience ever. I constantly debate the “comic accurate” zealouts who love to hate on the film. Crazy shit happens in comic books all the time. It can be dark, bizarre, and random but still be a good comic- yet a movie can’t? Don’t waste your time debating me in the comments, my mind won’t be changed
The ultimate edition is just brilliant. As for Justice League starting this video off.....it was Whedon that ruined the film, trying to change it into an avengers film
That's the thing wrong with cinema these days, people rely too much on critic opinions and can't judge a movie for themselves. And then bash those that actually enjoy a movie critics hate. It's sad really.
What, no ISHTAR? The biggest no BS failure or the 1980's? Do you think that all cinema history starts in 2000? ISHTAR was famous for being an absolute stinker of a movie that cost the studio a significant amount of money to make and brought back less ROI than any film in history to that point, and damaged the careers of Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman. The film lost 40 million 1980's dollars which was likely more that any of these did adjusted for inflation.
Justice League was kinda lame, but I submit it's because of the MASSIVE shift in tone from Man Of Steel and Batman V. Superman. I have yet to see Zack Snyder's Justice League, but I'll put cash on it actually maintaining the serious tone of the previous films. And given its length, all the too-rushed bits are probably fleshed out as well. The real question is why folks didn't go for BVS, which I thought was a great follow-on to MOS, and I didn't even watch the extended cut of THAT movie. I'll accept that there wasn't much of an audience for Speed Racer, though I can't imagine why. But FOR that niche, man, that was one FANTASTIC film! It was a near-perfect adaptation of the original anime, yet they were still able to craft a compelling story and put in a WHOLE lot of heart. It's the most family-oriented and family-friendly blockbuster since The Incredibles! And all the money is right up there on the screen, almost to a fault with how dazzling they were. They should have marketed this movie hard towards the little boys, because much like the series, this is for them and the adult men who are still in touch with their boyhood (in a good way). The first Fantastic Four movie was pretty good. Not a blockbuster and could have used a once-over by a good comic scribe, but it wasn't an embarrassment. Rise Of The Silver Surfer just didn't lean hard enough into the source material. If they'd simply gone point by point with the original appearance of the Surfer and Galactus in the comics, it would have rocked. The reboot actually didn't go MCU enough. The formula for many of the Phase 1 movies was to interweave the classic hero origins with the rewritten ones made for the Ultimate universe origins for the same characters. Fantastic Four 2015 didn't adhere close enough to the revamped Ultimate Fantastic Four origin, so it lost focus and ruined a great plot. And no, we didn't need a Black Johnny Storm to distract further from the plot. Well, crash and burn though it did, I liked BVS. It was a thoughtful, logical follow-on to MOS, and it did a great job of opening that particular world up to include more heroes, as well as realistically dealing with the aftermath and repercussions of the Kryptonian assault on Earth. In fact, I was a little ticked at myself for buying into the line of the critics for both pictures and not having seen them earlier than I did. Fun, happy, jokey MCU movies they were not, and given how even that mega-franchise started dissolving mid-way through Phase 3, so much the better. I wish folks hadn't gone in expecting what they weren't going to get. Maybe the whole Justice League debacle and the subsequent destruction of the DCEU could have been avoided.
Donald Glover KILLED IT as young Lando. I would watch a whole young Lando movie in a heartbeat. But, overall, ya - Harrison Ford's shoes turned out to be just too big to fill. Ford said it himself - one else can be Han Solo. I think he's right. I would've rather they just put old Harrison in there and we all just pretended he was young.
I can never understand how Ben Affleck kept getting work. You only have to look at how many movies starring him tanked because of his horrendously bad acting and total lack of charisma. Newsflash Hollywood, being a square-jawed fratboy doesn't carry movies.
No 1️⃣ Hopefully they're next historical first encounter by David Corenswet and whoever will recast Ben Affleck in the DCU will turn out better than this did 🦇🦸
Justice League failed for multiple reasons but two of the biggest were that they turned Superman into an asshole and they cast Ben Affleck as Batman. Two of the very same problems that doomed Batman vs Superman. Watching Heavens Gate is like watching paint dry...only not as entertaining.
So, hear me out. IF a studio wanted to do a Bat vs Super movie, why not just call up Frank Miller and ask to do a script based on The Dark Knight Returns. Sure, it would have been a tad more grimdark than your average super-flick but boy, oh boy - that is a story I would have loved to see on screen. Then again, the 'Wood probably would have messed than one up as well...
john carter was not a bad movie , just bad marketing
agreed
Thank you. Was coming here to say that. 👍
Completely agree
Very true
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Geena Davis not an action star?! Have you not seen The Long Kiss Goodnight! One of the best action movies ever made. And Christmas movies as well!
One movie...
How many action movies was she in?
Im actually surprised the lone ranger isnt on the list.
John Carter is actually a really good popcorn flick it just had the unfortunate timing of releasing while the first Avengers was in theaters, Fantastic 4 was DOA with all the deviations from the source material and notoriously troubled production, and Geena Davis proved she could be an action star in one of my favorite Christmas movies The Long Kiss Goodnight truly underrated film.
Yep, I think I'll have a Christmas movie marathon with the Die Hard series and The Long Kiss Goodnight
@Ceares I always do but I also include Lethal Weapon, Iron Man 3 and The Ice Harvest
Who thought Fant4stic was too big to fail? It had failure written all over it at every stage of development.
Josh Thank was a promising up-and-comer
Plus, no one was aware of it's troubled production until Trank posted it on Twitter
@Zombiesnyder13 But it wasn't just the troubled production. Every detail that came out about the film was rejected by most fans, particularly when they announced it was going to be a dark and gritty body horror film, in stark contrast to the tone of the comics. Then they changed Victor Von Doom from a dictator to an Internet troll, changed his name to Victor Domashev, etc.
It's still the only Marvel movie I've never seen
Roger Corman made the best F4😃
When I was a senior in highschool, 1985, the Heaven's Gate fiasco and the ultimate bankruptcy of United Artists was cited as an example of bad business practices in my textbook in my introduction to business class
In fairness to Cutthroat Island, it did not actually kill Carolco. Like Orion and Cannon, the studio was already in a bad position. The movie's failure only ensured their fate, not caused it.
Maybe history will repeat itself with the Rey movie.
“Solo didn’t need to be made.”
I think the same could be said for like 90% of Disney’s productions nowadays.
Definitely applies to 90% of Disney Star Wars.
Yep.
I think the same could be said for like 90% of productions nowadays.
Don't forget the Disney Marvel phase 5 movies, those Disney execs were smoking something when they thought they could pump out schlock and expect profits.
Monuments Men was so good though! So underrated.
John Carter is just a great movie
Fantastic Four should have been a real breakthrough for Kate Mara, putting her on the A-list, but alas. She's been stuck in either supporting roles or leading smaller independent films or TV shows ever since. And we're all poorer for it. There are so many roles I'd rather have seen her in than whoever ended up actually doing it (what about Kate Mara as Sarah Connor in Terminator Genysis?) but this reality is just not the reality that happened in.
Call me whatever you want but the Synder cut of the JL movie was pretty damn good. Was it long hell yes, but the way it fleshed out Cyborgs character and gave him more development alone was well worth it.
Agreed!! It's an awesome movie!!
It's almost like they don't do research....Whedon ruined what Snyder had planned for justice league....thankfully we got the Snyder cut though
I loved the Snyder Cut too. But I guess we're in the minority since it doesn't seem like it's ever getting a continuation (I hope I'm wrong tho)
I don't care what people say, I still love the Speed Racer movie. Its cheesy, goofy and kind of jank in places.... which makes it the best Speed Racer adaption!
I liked it too. It was goofy and wild.
I love the reference of "fans of the [John Carter of Mars] books". The only "fan" I knew was my dad, who was 75 when it came out. OTOH, Heaven's Gate, while admittedly bankrupting United Artists, is a tremendous film.
Within a couple of years, Cimino made Heaven's Gate, Spielberg made 1941 and Coppola made One From The Heart. None of them made money, two of them bankrupted their studios, and the critics had a lot of fun laughing at the 70s "young guns" coming unstuck.
it's always damned if you do- keep making the same film/type of film over and over and damned if you don't -try different things, be creative even if it's a creative failure.
3:41 Cutthroat Island scared studios off of the Pirate genre for a full 8 years before Disney rolled the dice with POTC. Renny Harlan's career was in shambles because of Cutthroat Island, but his and Geena Davis' next movie, The Long Kiss Goodnight is still one of the greatest action movies ever made, so saying Davis couldn't be an action star holds absolutely no water. She made Charlie Baltimore an ice skating, gun toting, sure shot badass. It didn't hurt to have Samuel Jackson as her co-star and a script by Shane Black, but Geena Davis was an action star!! I wish we could have seen her in more action roles, because she would have slayed!!
Renny Harlin*
The Long Kiss Goodnight remains one of my favorite films, hands down. The makeup during the water torture scene? The banter? No contest.
one of my favorite Christmas movies right next to Die Hard and on my Christmas day watch list
And cutthroat island WAS fun
Always happy to see the Long Kiss Goodnight getting some love.
Whoever thought DC needed a lighter tone should be FIRED
I just hope James Gunn can be left to his own devices
Personally, I'd like to see an old school Batman or Superman movie. No supernatural or alien stuff. Lex Luthor robbing banks, the Riddler wearing a green suit with question marks, etc.
@@jimroscovius Joel Schumacher already did that
And people didn't liked
Characters like Superman are "beacons of hope and light" and are not dark characters. Batman is an exception, as he moves in the shadows and is known as "The Dark Knight". Filmmakers trying to translate a "Nolan-style" to characters that aren't dark or brooding was bound to fail.
who ever thinks DC actually takes itself seriously is a maladjusted teen that never actually read a comic.
Where's Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny? Or The Marvels?
Disney is paying to them keep their mouths shut.
I dunno if I'd qualify Dial of Destiny as "too big to fail"... I mean did they really think we'd forget Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?
@cosmicmcmoon5773 well... They did dump nearly $300 million into it...
@@johnbabin2269 Wow, very presumptuous of Disney execs then 🤣
@@cosmicmcmoon5773 Kingdom of the Crystal Skull didn't fail.
I must be a dork. I liked Cutthroat Island and the first 2 Fantastic 4 movies. Not great but not horrible. 1970s Swashbuckler with Robert Shaw and Kay Lenz is also a great pirate movie panned by critics. Liked John Carter as well, but I read the books a bunch when I was a kid so I got it
I actually always thought the first two Fantastic Four films were actually about as good as a FF the fans were going to get. It had the right tone for the comics and actually was pretty fun. Yes, Jessica Alba had zero chemistry with the guy who played Reed Richards, but other than that it was actually very good with a great cast. The fans just have unrealistic expectations about FF. It was always a kind of goofy silver age comic
@@bobross1829 All they need to do is stick to the real origin story for FF and Doc Doom then build to a Thing v Hulk for the sequel.
Hey hey hey, less of the slander at Cloud Atlas! That was a solid film!
I didn't watch Solo because I wasn't that interested in him. It was better than episode 8 and 9 though.
John Carter didn't deserve to fail so hard. I didn't realize John Carter was super old. I did watch it with zero expectations and it was actually really good. I never heard of John Carter until I watched this. They should have kept "Mars" in the title so we have some idea what it's about.
I expected The Flash to be on the list. I did not expect The Flash to be The Flop. That movie seemed big and it fell flat on it's face.
The story I heard about John Carter's marketing was that the film was intended to jump start a Disney sci-fi franchise, but it timed out almost exactly with the company's purchase of Lucasfilm, so they bailed on giving the marketing campaigns any budget. Whatever the reasons, I agree: It was a fun film that should have been treated better.
Jeez. Disney fumbled the ball right then and there with that poor timing.
X Men Apocalypse should have been a surefire hit after the successes of First Class, DOFP and deadpool. Instead, nlt only was it an awful and disappointing film, it also underperformed which led to them getting rid of Bryan Singer and getting Simon Kinberg to direct Dark Phoenix and we all know how that turned out
SPEED RACER IS AN AWESOME MOVIE!
What about TASM2?
The producers were so certain the movie was gonna be a hit that they were more focused on selling the next product rather than their current product
I blame Avi Arad
Still the worst
Let's be serious Solo failed because of the backlash from the awful The Last Jedi
You're aware that the worst parts of Justice League were because of Whedon, right? He's responsible for the need of the cgi lip, and cut down both the Flash's and Cyborg's part to make them practically superfluous. You made it sound like he was the only saving grace. There's a reason the Snyder cut is so much more popular!
Fantastic 4 was a HUGE dissapointment
Now we can add The Marvels, Lightyear, Strange World, Birds of Prey, Madame Webb, The Eternals, Indiana Jones 5
Speed racer is in the realm of failed yet later cult classics like the dredd from 2012.
Justice League and Batman Vs Superman had something in common. They were Warner Brothers RUSH JOB to create a cinematic universe and immediately catch up to the already established MCU. No surprise it failed.
There is more that one way to create a Cinematic Universe, and DC was doing what they did on TV, and it was fine.
I wish DC would have taken its time and built the characters.
Solo was a fun movie. I enjoyed it a lot.
Read A C Crispins trilogy together with Brian Daley's trilogy between Crispen's Hut Gambit and Rebel Dawn, and you'll see the movie was totally wack.
We learned everything we really needed to know about Han Solo from the man himself in the original trilogy.
Noope there’s a lot more on him that the Rat 🐀 won’t release cause of Kennedy the troll 🧌 all you people complaining about it there’s too many stuff on fit not solo so that’s your business and I’m not the only one but unfortunately Disney is got their hands on stuff there’s more stories with lawn Moore’s younger that will never see so yeah whatever
I guess you've never read the A C Crispen trilogy, and after the second novel the Brian Daley trilogy before A C Crispen's final novel Rebel Dawn which ends in the cantina just before Han meeting Luke and Obi-Wan.
Whedon made JL worse, don't blame Snyder, blame WB ...
-Heaven's Gate bankrupted UA. The main problem was that Cimino filmed hundreds of hours of movie that didn't add anything at all.
-John Carter is a good movie with terrible marketing. The original books are the grandfathers of Star Wars-Dune-Avatar.
-Nobody never remembers the big box Office bomb that was "Mars needs Moms"
-In this year 2023 we have The Marvels as a great failure.
John Carter came to screens far too late. It was released well after John Carter rip-offs hit the cinemas. By the time of it's release, it was nothing new.
I liked cutthroat island lol
Am i like one of the few people that actually enjoyed batman v superman? It feels like it hahaha
You're not the only one. I love it too.
When movies have an allstar cast you can assume it's a hot mess. Too many egos in one room.
I really liked Speed Racer. And I didn't even know it was based on an anime until years after i first saw it.
It was hilariously bad. I didn't know it was an anime either.
The BvS Ultimate Edition is good!!
The Kessel Run was a fix to the original. A Parsec is a distance not a time. So when Han claimed to do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs it was a mistake. Like saying "I ran 10 miles in only 5 miles" made no sense. So in Solo they changed it to "taking a shortcut." This may be the only reason why they made Solo--- to keep Lucas from looking like a dumbass.
Sadly, it just reinforced the idea
There is another theory that parsecs are the correct unit of measure owing to Hans' superior smuggling abilities. If he can figure out a way smuggle your freight in a shorter distance then he can be both faster and cheaper.
Nah, no one cared except science nerds, and even they did not care that much. It was "fixing a problem" where no one really cared about the problem. It could easily be written off as Han Solo braggadocio and he knew he was saying nonsense. Most Star Wars fans actually always just wrote this off as precisely that to "fix it"
@@bobross1829 It's James Cameron digitally fixing the star position in Titanic to match what they were when the ship actually hit the iceberg all over again. I don't think Big Egos handle criticism well--or they're perfectionists.
2 things first I thought Cut Throat Island was a great movie and had 1 of the best sea battles in any movie, and 2 how can you sit there and say you can't make a bad Star Wars movie? Can I reintroduce the Prequels, or the Christmas special, or even the sequels that Disney made?
To be fair, Disney’s sequels were not counted as actual Star Wars movies. They were counted as Suck Wars movies.
QA completed for accuracy.
Sometimes a studio just underestimates the level of taste of the audience. See also the video game crash of the 1980s... no, we will NOT just buy anything because it features our favorite IP. Unless we're impressionable little kids. People still know crap when they see it, you can't blind us by slapping our favorite IPs on it and calling it a day.
"John Carter has to be the biggest flop Disney could ever put out."
Disney in 2023 with virtually every project they put out:
"Hold my beer."
The Wachowskis are way over-rated. They've made exactly one good movie. (Granted it's one of the best movies ever, but still...)
Solo was way better than the Three Sequels, which i left in one the cinema, mid film because i was so disgusted....
John Carter was not bad for me too...
and about the DC catastrophics...totally dislike...
the only good thing about speed racer was having John Goodman in it.
I loved BvS & defended it vehemently. Loved Ben’s look for Bruce & Bats. But the movie was a major flop. The first time Batman & Superman shared the screen. Not to mention wonder woman first big apperance. Lex & Doomsday apperances & cameos from other JL members. I would of changed a good amount of the film. Like not making supes a dark character or doing metallo instead of a psuedo doomsday. Not making Batman a killer but a brutal vigilante. The Batman made $770M on a 45 day short window before straight to max & with covid lingering. BvS did $880M with all i mentioned etc.
Cutthroat Island wasn't that bad a movie.... probably would have been better if it was made during the drive in days.... just my opinion
i agree...Justice League (theatrical cut) was a load of crap! However, when they released the "Snyder Cut," it blew the theatrical version out of the water...they should have left Joss Whedon smoking whatever woke crap he was smoking & far away from this movie.
Justice League - I lost interest in the DC movies quite a while back. Where the MCU seemed to be a mostly cohesive world, the DCU just seemed like a mish-mash of movies that were supposed to be connected, and kinda, sorta were, but with an ever changing cast of Batman actors, and movies that don't fit, but after included anyway (Shazam). I took one look at the giant CGI fest that was Aquaman and said no thanks. Plus you have movies like the confusingly named suicide squad movies that casual viewers don't even know were supposed to be set in the same universe. At least I think they're set in the same universe. The DCU is just a mess.
Solo: A Star Wars Story - A perfect demonstration of the FACT that studio executives are incapable of judging quality and that they see all movies of a given genre as being interchangeable. Star Wars became as big as it is because of George Lucas, his vision and his care in crafting the movies (special editions not withstanding). So the studio just assumed that if you take the characters, write a quick story and slap the Star Wars name on it, it will be just as successful as any of the other films. After all, if all movies of a given genre are interchangeable, and you don't look at quality, there's no reason it shouldn't succeed, right?
Actually, he didn't claim to do the run, the claimed the _ship_ did the run.
Don't worry, lots of people get that wrong.
Snyder cut was vastly better
Agreed 💯 too bad it'll always be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though
No room for 'The Marvels' huh? Too soon?
How could you not mention Heaven's Gate? It's not many movies that can claim the utter destruction of a big studio.
Solo is the only Star Wars movie that I didn't bother to see at the cinema. I saw most of them multiple times while they were still on initial release. I was even looking forward to it, but the trailers really shut down my interest. It wasn't a terrible movie, not even the worst Star Wars movie, but it was just...meh. I would have preferred a story about what Obi Wan was up to for 19 years on Tatooine, which eventually made it to television.
I totally forgot about Batman vs. Superman. It was a repressed memory, and ya brought it up again. That movie is trash, and it should be forgotten.
The Flash is an unlikeable character who runs like a prick, and cyborg is just so meh it’s like a kid drew a terminator.
Justice League Snyder cut was so much better...
Yeah, too bad it'll only be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though
@@hunterrousseau3770I am so excited for the batman 97 reboot...but aside from that I'm really bummed we will never get the knighmare flick. That honestly looked so good, and Jared Leto actually pulled of the joke in that...which is bizare because he was the worst joker.
@@prisonmike4971 What about "The Brave And The Bold"?
@@hunterrousseau3770Not familiar but I'm guessing this is a recommendation, so I'll check it out
The long kiss goodnight shows Davis was so much better action actor than cuthroat Island portrayef
Jupiter Ascending was another failure. It was thought of as the opener of a trilogy, but went nowhere.
Ben as Daredevil 10/10 Ben as BM 0/10 So it balancses out Right?
I loved Cloud Atlas.❤❤
When I think of "Cutthroat Island" I smile ! It is a Saturday morning popcorn muncher on steroids with grandiose illusions and too much budget ruined by the male himbo lead Mathew Modine !That man almost screwed up a "Transporter" movie ! One of the many things that keeps me up at night is how do him ,Seth Rogan & Melissa MCcarthey keep getting movies ?
"The weird Cloud Atlas?" That's their best movie.
Cutthroat Island was great I thought. No idea why people hated it.
Remember the BvS teaser trailer? I must’ve watched it 100 times
I enjoyed Speed Racer and John Carter. Maybe I have odd tastes?
(2:39) So, we're not going to mention the race-swapping of Johnny Storm as part of the pre-marketing failure? There went your core fan base of comic book enthusiasts.
It was easy with Nick Fury and Samuel L. Jackson, but the Human Torch?, no way and it translated at the box office.
Anyone else see Ash sneak into frame at 10:03?? I miss her videos ❤
I liked Cutthroat Island, and loved John Carter. Never did see Monuments Men. Heaven's Gate was unique in its day. When movies were speeding up and tightening stories- Cimino went off book... never wanted to see Valentine's Day. and after Man of Steel, (started great- last half hour suuuuuuckkkkked)- I expected every Snyderverse movie to suck. I was not surprised.
BvS would have been a much better movie if 1) they released the extended version in theaters and 2) they cast literally anyone else as Lex Luthor. The Snyder cut of JL was a far superior movie as well.
I liked Jess Esienberg, but I agree with you otherwise.
Bryan Cranston was originally considered for Lex. I would've loved to see that
@cosmicmcmoon5773 I think that was really just a rumor that gained a lot of traction but yes, it would have been awesome.
I enjoyed John Carter, I've watched it a few times
Snyder's cut of JUSTICE LEAGUE is a terrific film and vastly superior to Whedon's screwup.
Yeah too bad it'll only be remembered as a director's cut of what could've been and that's one of the harsh realities of the DCEU ending but at least we'll always have the DCU to look forward to though 🦇🦸
What about "Mortal Engines"?
Justice League tried to introduce too many characters at once. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg were all dropped in with next to no introduction and both the antagonist and the key MacGuffin (three magic boxes) were just there with minimal explanation.
In contrast, nearly every part of Avengers Assemble had already been introduced: Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America all had at least one solo film and Agent Coulson, Nick Fury, Black Widow and Hawkeye all had prominent roles in at least one of those; the main villain Loki was a key part of Thor and the MacGuffin (tesseract) was a key part of Captain America, all that was required was, well, assembling them all in one place since most of the exposition had already been done.
The first person I think of when I hear “John Carter” is the doctor in ER.
That last point is exactly why the movie John Carter failed. It had a name that could be associated with a completely different character from a different production.
I didn't mind solo
First Dawn of Justice Batman vs superman and DC Justice League also, fantastic four sequel and Star Wars young Han solo plus John Carter. If they had problems at else, they all made more great franchise and money for future movies next year and more
At least Speed Racer is getting the recognition it deserves now, and it’s still my favorite movie to this day
Speed Racer was actually really, really good. But it definitely has a small number of people who feel the way I do. Most people probably never saw it. I saw it while taking hallucinogens. It was amazing.
Well, the rest of humanity that wasn’t taking Hallucinogenics realized it was complete and utter garbage.
The drugs may have been really, really good. But that movie wasn't.
i really liked speed racer.
Speed Racer is a fantastic time all round, i will die on this hill
That a sneaky Ash at 10:05?
Fanta Four was poo.
If Josh Trank taught us anything, is that you can't go from a low-budget movie to a big-budget movie
You need to go from low to medium, and then from medium to big
Is all about gaining credibility. You never know when a studio is gonna think they can control you.
You need to show them that you know what you're doing, better than them.
I think Trank would've been better off working with Max Landis on a Chronicle trilogy with each sequel upping the budget & VFX gradually, and then *maybe* they work on bigger IPs depending on the reception
Speed racer, John Carter, Cutthroat Island, all movies I still enjoy.
The Flash? Indiana Jones 5? Those two lost more money than many of these films combined, and they should have been box office successes. I honestly thought they would be at the number 1 - 3 spots of this list.
PS: and John Carter was pretty good. But no film is going to succeed if it’s called John Carter and the poster looks like it was a copy paste made with Paint.
Why didn't Superman (at light speed) grab Batman by the wrists and lift him into the air dangling in Superman's hands?
He was to peacefully appeal to Bruce's humanity, even though Batman had come to pick a fight.
@@theunknowncommenter725 That's obvious. Superman should still have restrained Batman. For everyone's safety.
John Carter was pretty good and Speed Racer was fun.
Solo had NO connection what-so-ever with Hans early life story in A C Crispin's trilogy novels, I realised that within 1 minute of the movie starting.
Batman v Superman is one of my favorite movies to watch. Yes it’s flawed but it hits me right in my sweet spot. At the time it came out I wasn’t looking at critics bashing it online. All I remember was being 15 years old walking out of the theater feeling like my life had changed and that was the most epic movie experience ever. I constantly debate the “comic accurate” zealouts who love to hate on the film. Crazy shit happens in comic books all the time. It can be dark, bizarre, and random but still be a good comic- yet a movie can’t?
Don’t waste your time debating me in the comments, my mind won’t be changed
The ultimate edition is just brilliant. As for Justice League starting this video off.....it was Whedon that ruined the film, trying to change it into an avengers film
That's the thing wrong with cinema these days, people rely too much on critic opinions and can't judge a movie for themselves. And then bash those that actually enjoy a movie critics hate. It's sad really.
What, no ISHTAR? The biggest no BS failure or the 1980's? Do you think that all cinema history starts in 2000? ISHTAR was famous for being an absolute stinker of a movie that cost the studio a significant amount of money to make and brought back less ROI than any film in history to that point, and damaged the careers of Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman. The film lost 40 million 1980's dollars which was likely more that any of these did adjusted for inflation.
Justice League was kinda lame, but I submit it's because of the MASSIVE shift in tone from Man Of Steel and Batman V. Superman. I have yet to see Zack Snyder's Justice League, but I'll put cash on it actually maintaining the serious tone of the previous films. And given its length, all the too-rushed bits are probably fleshed out as well. The real question is why folks didn't go for BVS, which I thought was a great follow-on to MOS, and I didn't even watch the extended cut of THAT movie.
I'll accept that there wasn't much of an audience for Speed Racer, though I can't imagine why. But FOR that niche, man, that was one FANTASTIC film! It was a near-perfect adaptation of the original anime, yet they were still able to craft a compelling story and put in a WHOLE lot of heart. It's the most family-oriented and family-friendly blockbuster since The Incredibles! And all the money is right up there on the screen, almost to a fault with how dazzling they were. They should have marketed this movie hard towards the little boys, because much like the series, this is for them and the adult men who are still in touch with their boyhood (in a good way).
The first Fantastic Four movie was pretty good. Not a blockbuster and could have used a once-over by a good comic scribe, but it wasn't an embarrassment. Rise Of The Silver Surfer just didn't lean hard enough into the source material. If they'd simply gone point by point with the original appearance of the Surfer and Galactus in the comics, it would have rocked. The reboot actually didn't go MCU enough. The formula for many of the Phase 1 movies was to interweave the classic hero origins with the rewritten ones made for the Ultimate universe origins for the same characters. Fantastic Four 2015 didn't adhere close enough to the revamped Ultimate Fantastic Four origin, so it lost focus and ruined a great plot. And no, we didn't need a Black Johnny Storm to distract further from the plot.
Well, crash and burn though it did, I liked BVS. It was a thoughtful, logical follow-on to MOS, and it did a great job of opening that particular world up to include more heroes, as well as realistically dealing with the aftermath and repercussions of the Kryptonian assault on Earth. In fact, I was a little ticked at myself for buying into the line of the critics for both pictures and not having seen them earlier than I did. Fun, happy, jokey MCU movies they were not, and given how even that mega-franchise started dissolving mid-way through Phase 3, so much the better. I wish folks hadn't gone in expecting what they weren't going to get. Maybe the whole Justice League debacle and the subsequent destruction of the DCEU could have been avoided.
And whatever Jupiter Ascending was? I know what it was. It was dogs***. Mystery solved.
Cutthroat is the only movie I've even walked out of. 10 minutes in, I knew it was bad. Like REALLY BAD and I sat through Battlefield Earth.
Donald Glover KILLED IT as young Lando. I would watch a whole young Lando movie in a heartbeat. But, overall, ya - Harrison Ford's shoes turned out to be just too big to fill. Ford said it himself - one else can be Han Solo. I think he's right. I would've rather they just put old Harrison in there and we all just pretended he was young.
I can never understand how Ben Affleck kept getting work. You only have to look at how many movies starring him tanked because of his horrendously bad acting and total lack of charisma. Newsflash Hollywood, being a square-jawed fratboy doesn't carry movies.
No 1️⃣ Hopefully they're next historical first encounter by David Corenswet and whoever will recast Ben Affleck in the DCU will turn out better than this did 🦇🦸
Justice League failed for multiple reasons but two of the biggest were that they turned Superman into an asshole and they cast Ben Affleck as Batman. Two of the very same problems that doomed Batman vs Superman.
Watching Heavens Gate is like watching paint dry...only not as entertaining.
If they just called it John Carter FROM MARS like the book it probably would have done better.
So, hear me out. IF a studio wanted to do a Bat vs Super movie, why not just call up Frank Miller and ask to do a script based on The Dark Knight Returns. Sure, it would have been a tad more grimdark than your average super-flick but boy, oh boy - that is a story I would have loved to see on screen. Then again, the 'Wood probably would have messed than one up as well...