Everything Wrong With Star Trek Nemesis in 21 Minutes or Less

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2023
  • Star Trek: Nemesis is the one where young Tom Hardy plays a young clone of Picard and it's... better than Generations, that's for sure. Here are its sins.
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  • @Jonathan_Collins
    @Jonathan_Collins 8 месяцев назад +175

    One of the great touches to Wrath of Khan is that Kirk and Khan never met in person. They spoke over the viewscreen and the communicator a couple of times, but most of it was them trying to outthink each other. It's similar toe Balance of Terror in that regard, and that's one of my favorite TOS episodes.
    Also there was no real connection between Shinzon and Picard. They were strangers with the same DNA.

    • @shanehudson3995
      @shanehudson3995 8 месяцев назад +1

      Better than the fist fight when they first met.

    • @evilbob840
      @evilbob840 8 месяцев назад +9

      They did meet in person. The movie is a sequel to one of the original series episodes and they talked face to face a great deal in that episode.

    • @michaelgallagher3640
      @michaelgallagher3640 8 месяцев назад +6

      Neeerrrddd!!!!!

    • @shanehudson3995
      @shanehudson3995 8 месяцев назад

      Yep.

    • @GhostRyderFPV
      @GhostRyderFPV 8 месяцев назад +5

      Absolutely they met, in glorious Technicolor!
      Also, the implied connection between Shinzon and Picard was their shared tactical acumen, and limited lifespan as a result of Irumodic Syndrome. Of course, Shinzon didn't have the benefit of his own series, so he didn't get to live past it.

  • @mandeepakpanesar6581
    @mandeepakpanesar6581 8 месяцев назад +67

    Shouldn’t we sin the fact that when we last saw Worf at the end of DS9 he was Federation Ambassador to Q’onos but in Nemesis he’s suddenly back on the Enterprise without even an explanation why he’s back?

    • @crystalward1444
      @crystalward1444 8 месяцев назад +10

      They were all going to the wedding.

    • @mandeepakpanesar6581
      @mandeepakpanesar6581 8 месяцев назад +15

      @@crystalward1444 true but why is he back as a Starfleet Lt Cmdr and not dressed as a dignitary as he should be an ambassador?

    • @crystalward1444
      @crystalward1444 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@mandeepakpanesar6581 because Ambassadors don't attend weddings as such unless it is a State event...like Royalty getting married. As he was someone who previously reported to Riker his star fleet uniform is appropriate, otherwise it messes with the protocol of seniority. Riker reported directly to Picard so Picard becomes the officiating agent. As Worf is only a guest at the wedding, he must step into a lesser row in terms of his relationship to Deanna and Will.

    • @danielhausser8038
      @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@crystalward1444The wedding Worf was very reluctant to attend?

    • @themysteryofbluebirdboulevard
      @themysteryofbluebirdboulevard 8 месяцев назад +5

      Well, you sure know your starfleet regulations.

  • @CrystalBearer20
    @CrystalBearer20 8 месяцев назад +65

    The moment Janeway got back, they immediately promoted her so she wouldn't lose another ship. She had to build her own ship and then she lost that!

    • @mallios13
      @mallios13 8 месяцев назад +10

      She didn't just lose a ship, that woman came back with seven years' worth of war crimes. One can only imagine that debriefing. She knew too much to do away with, but was too much a threat to keep a captain. Make her Admiral Warcrime, and she can be staggered at every turn.

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 8 месяцев назад

      I love SFDebris' "Psycho Janeway" and how his version explained her rapid promotion: she introduced a virus into Starfleet's systems so that whenever Picard was put in for promotion, it was redirected to Janeway instead. @@mallios13

    • @judeboon2870
      @judeboon2870 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@mallios13 exactly. She violated the prime directive so many times that they put here where she couldn't do any more harm.

    • @Ceece20
      @Ceece20 4 месяца назад +2

      @@judeboon2870 Isn't that a basic requirement for admirals to have violated the prime directive a minimum of 9 times before getting promoted? I mean Kirk got a promotion just because they couldn't figure out what to do with him and you can't convince me that any of the admirals in TNG and DS9 haven't committed litany war crimes, treaty violations, and coupes.

  • @pedrobispo5179
    @pedrobispo5179 8 месяцев назад +100

    "this movie kills Data" *that deserved a thousand sins*

    • @andrewalochner
      @andrewalochner 8 месяцев назад +1

      Nah. I'm glad he was offed. He should have never returned in that terrible Picard show

  • @2nd3rd1st
    @2nd3rd1st 8 месяцев назад +20

    I'd sin the fact that NOT ONCE in the history of the ST:NG franchise a disgruntled crew member took a phaser shot at Riker when Picard yelled "Fire at will!" and claimed they were just following orders!

  • @patrickhayden7206
    @patrickhayden7206 8 месяцев назад +86

    Wouldn't one of the Sins be that it's never explained how Wesley was invited to the wedding if he was off exploring with "The Traveler" ?

    • @wileysil3313
      @wileysil3313 8 месяцев назад +12

      he could like, wish, himself back, duh! he probably mastered the force by then or whatever ominous power the traveler said he possessed.

    • @rorylynch7775
      @rorylynch7775 8 месяцев назад +8

      I believe there was a deleted scene of Wesley at the wedding

    • @patrickhayden7206
      @patrickhayden7206 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@wileysil3313 Maybe, but The Traveler explained he needed to use people for their transportation to get where he wanted...So either way there is a backstory there more interesting than the film.

    • @drdarkeny
      @drdarkeny 8 месяцев назад +10

      He hitched a ride on a passing TARDIS?
      Bet you never knew Wesley Crusher was one of The Doctor's Companions!

    • @biggles1852
      @biggles1852 8 месяцев назад +5

      He got to the E the same way Worf did

  • @albdamned577
    @albdamned577 8 месяцев назад +54

    I remember someone had spliced together the fight scene between the prewarp society, with Picard's speech about the importance of the Prime Directive. This whole scene conflicts so much with Star trek ideas in general it is frustrating.

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 8 месяцев назад +13

      All to make Picard into an action hero, when he's the diplomatic captain. It was about 30 years too late to make him into another Kirk.

  • @tiberiushazo6326
    @tiberiushazo6326 8 месяцев назад +61

    Actually regarding the retroactive storyline where B-4 wasnt a thing until this movie, there is actually room to suggest this is possible. When Dr. Juliana Tainer tells Data about her past work with her ex husband Dr. Soong, she mentions that they made 3 protoytype androids before Lore. Or maybe three in total, including Lore and Data. This is the episode Inheritance in season 7.

    • @mallios13
      @mallios13 8 месяцев назад +8

      It's been awhile, but I could swear in Datalore, they found more spare parts than just Lore's.

    • @LPerez7276
      @LPerez7276 8 месяцев назад +5

      NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRDDDDDDD!!!!!!

    • @anonymoussnekk
      @anonymoussnekk 5 месяцев назад +1

      I watched that episode quite recently, it may have been so but then again she says that they failed because soon couldn't create a stable matrix

  • @DanielMReck
    @DanielMReck 8 месяцев назад +29

    Another sin-on-sin-on-sin: Riker goes down to deck 29, which is apparently beyond the bottom of the ship. He then follows the Viceroy down a kiddy slide, descending further below the ship to another entire deck. There, they fall onto a catwalk suspended over an apparently bottomless pit, which somehow exists several decks below the ventral hull.
    Is the Enterprise-E like that ship from "Future Tense" that is larger inside than it is outside?

    • @alkatmsu
      @alkatmsu 8 месяцев назад +4

      Came to the comments to say this!

    • @dragonfish458
      @dragonfish458 8 месяцев назад +5

      I like that you went with "Future Tense" some obscure piece of media over the classic Sci-fi "It's bigger on the inside" ship the TARDIS

    • @jaeusa160
      @jaeusa160 8 месяцев назад +3

      Even as someone who wasn't a nerd for deck counting, I'd noticed the absurdity of deck numbers here as a kid.

    • @FifthFantasy
      @FifthFantasy 8 месяцев назад +3

      Thank god it's not just me 😂

    • @Winterascent
      @Winterascent 8 месяцев назад +7

      I'm just glad he didn't have to run through the gauntlet of crushing cylinders.

  • @rossdax47
    @rossdax47 8 месяцев назад +20

    Ejecting the warp core was the highlight of Shax's life.

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад +7

      Can he? Please? He's been very good this year!

  • @jackcoleman5955
    @jackcoleman5955 8 месяцев назад +26

    Greatest sin in Star Trek canon:
    Jean Luc Picard driving a dune buggy. A dune buggy…

    • @originalcosmicgirl
      @originalcosmicgirl 8 месяцев назад +1

      Idk, a lot of people have interests that don't fit their personalities. Let the man have his guilty pleasure.

    • @nel1962
      @nel1962 8 месяцев назад +5

      @@originalcosmicgirlthe real problem is that there is such a things as a Starfleet dune buggy with a combustion engine and big fat tires. Stupid idea that looks stupid.

    • @originalcosmicgirl
      @originalcosmicgirl 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@nel1962 Yeah, it didn't even look futuristic. 😞

    • @sarahberkner
      @sarahberkner 4 месяца назад

      He's ridden a horse.

  • @KasumiKenshirou
    @KasumiKenshirou 8 месяцев назад +36

    The Romulans were originally supposed to appear in one of the earlier Star Trek movies (I think it was Star Trek III), but some executive or somebody made them rewrite the movie to use Klingons instead. Prior to the movies, only the Romulans had cloaking devices. But since they changed this script but left in the cloaking device, after that the Klingons had them, too.

    • @mallios13
      @mallios13 8 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah, TOS had a lot of flip flopping with aliens. If they weren't Federation, they all used the same stuff. I think Romulans used battlecruisers, and Klingons even used warbirds. So when TNG rolled around, Romulans just used giant warbirds, while the klingons had battlecruisers and birds-of-prey. Klingons were then said to have stolen Romulan cloaks as an in-joke.

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@mallios13 The Klingons also had Romulan ships. Like, the Romulans either sold them to the Klingons, or the Klingons stole and reverse engineered them. The B'rel Klingon Bird of Prey was originally supposed to be a Romulan ship, which is why it's coloured the way it is.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 8 месяцев назад

      One correction, the first Klingon use of a cloaking device was in TAS.

    • @BrianGriffinQuahog
      @BrianGriffinQuahog 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@BNuts Before they became enemies they actually traded technology. Specifically cloaking tech was traded for ships, specifically D7 Cruisers during the Klingon/Romulan alliance

    • @JoeWaylo
      @JoeWaylo 8 месяцев назад +3

      For those following the entire show, that's how Roddenberry scored the big bucks. He made Klingons a Savage Empire like Genghis Khan, Romulans were the Roman Empire, and Starfleet is seated by the President of the United States sending all of our troops into space. He picked the Klingons as our biggest bully of the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants and the Klingon's favorite target has always been the Federation Flagship, USS Enterprise, unless they destroy easier targets like science vessels and satellite dishes.

  • @mexicanspec
    @mexicanspec 8 месяцев назад +40

    I like Data. He reminds people to ask him what he thinks and not what he feels. He knows thoughts and feeling are different things, unlike most people on the internet.

    • @sarahberkner
      @sarahberkner 4 месяца назад

      "Unlike most people" was imo an emotional comment, because you don't have any proof to back that up and the definitions of "thoughts" and "feelings" are pretty well-known. But it just "feels" like most people don't know those are different because a lot of people are driven by their feelings/values/beliefs over logic.

    • @mexicanspec
      @mexicanspec 4 месяца назад

      No I don't have statistics but look at how many people ask what somebody feels about something in place of what they think and how many people volunteer what they feel, which they don't, over what they think.@@sarahberkner

  • @KanLuxiang
    @KanLuxiang 8 месяцев назад +31

    If you told me that Shinzon was played by James McAvoy, I would 100% have believed you. Glad that Jeremy made that joke too.

    • @jaeusa160
      @jaeusa160 8 месяцев назад +5

      I think that was also a play on X-Men where McAvoy plays a younger Patrick Stuart character in that both are Charles Xavier.

  • @Willpower-74205
    @Willpower-74205 8 месяцев назад +28

    And with that, my Star Trek CinemaSins collection is complete! 🖖😎👍

  • @rsalbreiter
    @rsalbreiter 8 месяцев назад +88

    Data jumping from one ship to another was one of the most badass things in Trek history

    • @masere
      @masere 8 месяцев назад +9

      And surprised there was no Leia reference in the end bits

    • @quantum_martian
      @quantum_martian 8 месяцев назад

      Didn't Michel Burnham. Do something similar
      And Kirk and Spock in star trek 8nto darkness

    • @exoterric
      @exoterric 8 месяцев назад

      IKR?

    • @edew9180
      @edew9180 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@quantum_martianstupid nemesis for reusing into darkness material...

    • @duncancurtis5971
      @duncancurtis5971 8 месяцев назад

      Data fans saluted his sacrifice in the auditorium. Now we know from Picard he, alongside B4 was a replication via his villain creator.

  • @aaronlewis9769
    @aaronlewis9769 8 месяцев назад +39

    So…we’re not gonna discuss the heavy handed name “B-4?”

    • @drdarkeny
      @drdarkeny 8 месяцев назад +4

      Why, since they got away with a robot called "Data" for seven years and three movies!

    • @aaronlewis9769
      @aaronlewis9769 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@drdarkeny the name Data is an acknowledgment of what he is, but the name B-4 suggests he was created with full knowledge that there would be one (or more) to come after him.

    • @Elvisbackpack
      @Elvisbackpack 8 месяцев назад +2

      His original name was "B-9", so it was actually worse.

    • @KasumiKenshirou
      @KasumiKenshirou 8 месяцев назад +9

      Why did aliens named their twin planets, Romulus and Remus, after twins from EARTH'S Roman mythology?!

    • @drdarkeny
      @drdarkeny 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@KasumiKenshirou - because everybody with the slightest knowledge of history or legends knows Romulus and Remus are the wolf-suckled twins who founded Rome.
      Romulans were so clearly based on the Roman empire that they even went around calling their leaders "proconsuls"-which was what you call the consul after his term was up and he was given a province to manage. While I'm sure the writers gave them that title because "consul good, proconsul better", it does lead to the amusing possibility that the Romulan Empire thinks of itself as the Regents to a far older Empire, maybe the Vulcans, when they were still warlike?
      Like I said, funny, to think of a Romulans, always waiting for the Falcons to come to their senses, and give up all this logic nonsense!

  • @TrumbullComic
    @TrumbullComic 8 месяцев назад +8

    This is the most I've seen of this movie since 2002.

  • @tiana_andherbooks
    @tiana_andherbooks 8 месяцев назад +222

    We better get at LEAST +1000 sins for killing Data

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 8 месяцев назад +16

      20000 sins

    • @IlRestoDelCarlone
      @IlRestoDelCarlone 8 месяцев назад +10

      The same you get for this SPOILER!

    • @xaviermontalban717
      @xaviermontalban717 8 месяцев назад +8

      ​@IlRestoDelCarlone this movie is ancient. If you haven't seen it by now, that's on you

    • @AdmRose
      @AdmRose 8 месяцев назад +1

      We do not.

    • @stefanwinkler78
      @stefanwinkler78 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@IlRestoDelCarlone this was already spoiled in the Star Trek Insurrection sins video

  • @LucidDreamer54321
    @LucidDreamer54321 8 месяцев назад +4

    The movie didn't explain why there was a clone, why the clone wanted a Federation ship to go there, or why the clone wanted to destroy Earth. And those were the three essential elements of the story.

  • @AndrewLakeUK
    @AndrewLakeUK 8 месяцев назад +38

    Remove that sin for Admiral Janeway. There's no way there gonna risk another ship on her,. it took so long to get the last one back, she stays on the ground.

    • @franciscodanconia4324
      @franciscodanconia4324 8 месяцев назад +3

      Yep. Captains that smack their ships Into stuff or otherwise get lost become desk jockeys. Maybe Starfleet was afraid of a sex discrimination lawsuit and promoted her to avoid the hassle. Maybe she was in charge of Tribble control or something.

    • @GhostRyderFPV
      @GhostRyderFPV 8 месяцев назад +7

      @@franciscodanconia4324Naw, she brought back 7/Hansen. The Alpha Quadrant is better off for it.

    • @Crazy_Borg
      @Crazy_Borg 8 месяцев назад +2

      Ahem...better go watch Prodigy. 🤣

    • @GhostRyderFPV
      @GhostRyderFPV 8 месяцев назад

      @@Crazy_Borg IS _that_ why it got canceled? lol

    • @battlesheep2552
      @battlesheep2552 8 месяцев назад

      Yeah she'll do less damage sitting behind a desk

  • @rexlumontad5644
    @rexlumontad5644 8 месяцев назад +18

    Data #1: "Prepare for trouble!"
    Data #2: "And make it double!"

    • @JonathanEzor
      @JonathanEzor 8 месяцев назад +2

      Spot: "Meowth, dat's right!"

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@JonathanEzor and at the end they blasted off again!

    • @scribblescribble
      @scribblescribble 8 месяцев назад

      They did protect a world from devastation.

  • @rottendamians
    @rottendamians 8 месяцев назад +39

    Gotta love the range of this channel. They literally discuss every single genre

    • @user-ib7ug4qo3v
      @user-ib7ug4qo3v 8 месяцев назад +8

      As long as its a popular movie or part of a popular franchise.

    • @rottendamians
      @rottendamians 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-ib7ug4qo3v yeah,but gotta respect it!

  • @r4z0rv1n3
    @r4z0rv1n3 8 месяцев назад +6

    When Cinema Sins mentions that movie Picard and tv Picard are not the same character. YES YES thank you! I've been saying that for years!

    • @KasumiKenshirou
      @KasumiKenshirou 8 месяцев назад +1

      Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner got more control behind the scenes of the movies, so that is why the movies focus so much on them and their characters act like idiots. If Patrick Stewart wants to drive dune buggies and be an action hero then the writers have to work that crap in somehow. They focus more on what would be fun for them to do as an actor rather than what makes sense for their character or is best for the story.

  • @Saint_nobody
    @Saint_nobody 8 месяцев назад +7

    YES! overdubbing shinzon's intro with Bane's speech about darkness, I've been thinking of that since i found out they were the same actor.

  • @lornebuchanan3387
    @lornebuchanan3387 8 месяцев назад +11

    127 sins? That's it? You are very generous today, my friend.

    • @wannabedal-adx458
      @wannabedal-adx458 8 месяцев назад +1

      Should have took a sin off for complimenting Worf on his "Very Astute" comment about the robotic arm!!!

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 8 месяцев назад +21

    Picard clone, I think I'm a clone now. There's always two of me just hanging around.

    • @gmgz
      @gmgz 8 месяцев назад +4

      I think I'm a clone now because every chromosome is a hand-me-down

  • @tristangoodfellow9180
    @tristangoodfellow9180 8 месяцев назад +4

    Nemesis is one gigantic sin! Except for the Enterprise E!!!!

  • @dougoloughlin6237
    @dougoloughlin6237 8 месяцев назад +3

    I loved how they kept contriving reasons to get Worf on there. Is this the one where it's like, "Sir! I spoke with Commander Sisko ..." and they just fully cut him off?

  • @JacobRavenglass
    @JacobRavenglass 8 месяцев назад +5

    0:42 Me and a buddy actually laughed out loud in the theatre when we saw those backward letters.

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад +1

      you didn't like Star Trek r Us?

    • @JacobRavenglass
      @JacobRavenglass 8 месяцев назад

      @NeoTechni If such a thing existed, we'd have probably laughed at that too. 🙃

  • @balrighty3523
    @balrighty3523 8 месяцев назад +6

    10:47 That was my biggest gripe with this movie. We’re ready to meet the guy in charge of the Remans, the one pulling the strings behind whatever the sinister plot is, and then down the staircase comes… some random bald human. That Picard reacts to in a very personal way, but since the movie doesn’t tell us that was supposed to be Picard-but-younger (and since, thanks to Tapestry, we know Picard-but-younger looked very different), we play catch up with the emotional tone of the reveal scene. The movie wanted us to wonder, similar to Picard, who this Shinzon is (is he a transporter duplicate? a clone? from another timeline? merely the recipient of some genetic engineering to make him look like Picard). Instead, we don’t even find out that “random bald human” was really Picard-but-younger until after we already learn he’s a clone.
    Very poor construction. What we needed was the movie finding some excuse to show us Tom Hardy as a younger Picard so we’d know what we were looking at (maybe in the deleted scene where Picard and Data talk about the wedding and ceremonies in general). Or bringing back the actor from Tapestry. Or (had this movie come out after X-Men First Class) using James McAvoy instead.

  • @rgreerjr
    @rgreerjr 8 месяцев назад +9

    Ive seen this movie more times then I can count, seen the Deleted scene with Wesley Crusher numerous times, never ONCE did I notice he was sitting AT THE FUCKING TABLE during Picard's speech.

    • @TommyLewJDfacesTH2
      @TommyLewJDfacesTH2 8 месяцев назад +1

      It’s definitely a “pan and scan” needs the letterbox directors cut Moment. These kind folks did me PROUD in having Wesley present for this sin count

  • @LittleBlueReviews400
    @LittleBlueReviews400 8 месяцев назад +9

    This is the Last Star Trek Film for them to Sin on (for now)

  • @Iffy350
    @Iffy350 8 месяцев назад +4

    Picard got stabbed in the heart leading to all of his hair falling out.

  • @ralph0149
    @ralph0149 8 месяцев назад +4

    You missed a chance to goof on Khan by saying "Aadmirahl Janeway!"

  • @clarafedde8674
    @clarafedde8674 8 месяцев назад +6

    "Fire at will"
    Riker: "F@@@ you."

  • @johnchedsey1306
    @johnchedsey1306 8 месяцев назад +18

    I saw this in the theater maybe a week after it came out and there were less than 20 of us watching. It was clear at the time that the Star Trek franchise was not doing great, especially with Enterprise struggling in rates.
    Skip ahead 20 years and Nemesis is still flawed, but I've grown to appreciate Enterprise. I genuinely feel Star Trek is meant for the small screen.

  • @wileysil3313
    @wileysil3313 8 месяцев назад +15

    it still boggles me how they could make something as awesome as first contact and then follow it up with insurrection and nemesis

    • @franohmsford7548
      @franohmsford7548 8 месяцев назад +6

      You've memory-holed Star Trek V then.
      P.S. Insurrection is the best TNG movie....It actually feels like TNG unlike First Contact.

    • @GeorgeMonet
      @GeorgeMonet 8 месяцев назад

      @@franohmsford7548 No Insurrection is just terrible. It makes no sense that Starfleet is greenlighting the theft of another planet's natural resources when those natural resources are owned by the species living on the planet. AND that isn't how Starfleet works. They would STUDY that phenomenon to see how to replicate it. Deep Space Nine is subversive crap.

    • @jamescraig3598
      @jamescraig3598 7 месяцев назад +2

      Insurrection was low stakes but it was fun.

    • @sarahberkner
      @sarahberkner 4 месяца назад +2

      Insurrection has very good reviews, and it was an interesting moral dilemma and I actually like Picard and that lady (I forget the character's name but the actress is Donna Moore) as a couple. Scientifically though, it was a little ridiculous even for Star Trek.

    • @knightad33
      @knightad33 3 месяца назад +1

      @@sarahberkner , her name is Anij, and the actress is Donna Murphy.

  • @razzle1964
    @razzle1964 8 месяцев назад +22

    I’m a 59yr old curmudgeon and, I admit, a bit of a Trekkie. Also, I’m not ashamed to admit that, apart from Heather’s death in ‘Highlander’ (with Queen’s ‘Who Wants to Live Forever’), Data’s death was the only other time I wiped a tear from my eye. Fuckin’ love CinemaSins.

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад +2

      You mention Highlander over the death of Spock in Star Trek II? Way more emotional than Data's death in this movie. Even Shatner managed to put on his big boy acting boots for that one.

    • @razzle1964
      @razzle1964 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@reliantncc1864 I could be in denial, I guess. And, Billy-boy kinda lost his cred when he croaked in ‘Generations’.😉✌️

    • @wileysil3313
      @wileysil3313 8 месяцев назад

      @@razzle1964 i think he didn't lose his cred before this: ruclips.net/video/MSGwTpQtyq4/видео.htmlsi=LJpHTwshw4KAXa2y

  • @SheldonAdama17
    @SheldonAdama17 7 месяцев назад +2

    Picard: Fire at will!
    Worf: (pulls phaser, vaporizes Riker) Wait, did you mean… oops.

  • @BigPoppaPun
    @BigPoppaPun 8 месяцев назад +2

    I've been waiting for what seems like a 5 year mission, for this one

  • @BNuts
    @BNuts 8 месяцев назад +14

    This is the sort of thing that happens when an actor whose classic portrayal of a character is more cerebral decides he wants to play action hero with the same character. And wow, I never realized how many awful decisions Picard makes in this. It kinda makes his horrible decisions in his own show make more sense: The poor man's been losing his marbles for decades! How has he not been removed from command in favour of Riker, Data, or even Worf before this? Heck, I'd have given command of the _E_ to Geordi because he certainly understands how to use a Sovrereign-class powerhouse better than Picard _and_ Riker combined. And because he questioned the 'wisdom' of downloading Data's data to B4... but he still doesn't reject the idea? Damn, everyone caught the stupid in this, didn't they? No wonder _First Contact_ comes off as the better movie. A shame all this together means poor box office performance, such that we never see the _E_ again. She was a beautiful ship, and we hardly knew her.

  • @joshuariddensdale2126
    @joshuariddensdale2126 8 месяцев назад +7

    Nemesis is the only old Star Trek movie I dislike. Yes, I honestly love Insurrection, and even Final Frontier and Motion Picture. But Nemesis completely disregards the whole thing about not firing while cloaked (at least in Undiscovered Country, it was merely a prototype and even then, Kirk found a way around it). The Scimitar was ridiculously overpowered.

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад +1

      It really, really was. Not only can fire while cloaked, not only has a "perfect" cloak to an insane degree, but also can 1v1 a planet? This thing was supposed to be able to end all life on Earth single-handedly. In a few minutes. And somehow Starfleet Intelligence didn't know about what must have been the largest military project the Romulans had ever attempted.

    • @TheWPhilosopher
      @TheWPhilosopher 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@reliantncc1864to be fair the bigger sin was half the Romulan command didn't know about it either from what I recall.

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад

      @@TheWPhilosopher You have a hell of a point there.

  • @GhostWatcher2024
    @GhostWatcher2024 8 месяцев назад +9

    "Having a backwards E because you think it looks cool. I assure you, it does not"
    Dont let Eminem hear you say that.

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад +1

      I think his "music" establishes that he can't hear

    • @edew9180
      @edew9180 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@NeoTechniLol, the man has made more than you and I ever will. Don't be bummed because some deaf guy makes better music than you.

  • @robaitken4592
    @robaitken4592 8 месяцев назад +2

    18:08 - Yes, for the love of god yes. The viewscreen isn't a window, so why isn't your bridge behind multiple armor plates and one of those fancy force fields

  • @GhostRyderFPV
    @GhostRyderFPV 8 месяцев назад +6

    I was hoping the Janeway scene would get special attention.
    _"Let's see, Captain. You disregarded orders, broke the Prime Directive, colluded with the Borg, left your own offspring in a different quadrant..."_
    "Here are your Admiral pips."

  • @rexlumontad5644
    @rexlumontad5644 8 месяцев назад +4

    Worf never catches a break.

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад

      except in Ethics

  • @ricks5756
    @ricks5756 5 месяцев назад +1

    I thought that android was "Lore" for a moment. I had forgotten about B-4 .
    Also nice to see Janeway somehow survived being assimilated and promptly blown up.

  • @danielhausser8038
    @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад +4

    I read the script before the movie's release. It was essentially the same but with so much more details which had apparently been skipped. Stuart Baird directed this one. He thought Geordi was an alien called Lavelle. I can't sleep tonight, thanks 😂😂😂

    • @RettMikhal
      @RettMikhal 8 месяцев назад

      And he had a long and illustrious directorial career after this. Right?.........

    • @danielhausser8038
      @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад

      @@RettMikhal Not so much, did he?

    • @RettMikhal
      @RettMikhal 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@danielhausser8038 He never directed anything ever again hahaha. He still does editing though, which is where he came from. He only did two forgettable 90s action movies before this. I have absolutely no idea why they hired him. If you watch the behind the scenes he's incredibly condescending to the entire cast. There's a semi-famous clip of him tapping on the red device in the senate chamber with no patience shouting "THIS IS WHERE I WANT YOU TO LOOK!" And all the actors are looking at him with this "yeah, we get it" face. It's embarrassing.

  • @lawrencebrewer8769
    @lawrencebrewer8769 8 месяцев назад +3

    Apparently Riker and the big Reman are three decks below the former lowest deck of the Enterprise. Then they slide down a chute to deck 30 I guess. After fightig, Riker throws the big Reman down even further?

  • @stevenhargrave2900
    @stevenhargrave2900 8 месяцев назад +7

    Yay more Star Trek!

    • @MichaelSuperbacker
      @MichaelSuperbacker 8 месяцев назад +2

      This was released 27 seconds ago??? 🤔

    • @COEYRN
      @COEYRN 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@MichaelSuperbackerGreat catch!😂 this is the point where Jeremy says Michael superbacker would be the...??? Star Trekkiest at CinemaSins. Did my best

    • @stevenhargrave2900
      @stevenhargrave2900 8 месяцев назад

      @@MichaelSuperbacker magic!

  • @JRMilward
    @JRMilward 8 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a pretty major, lifelong Trekkie, and have only seen Nemesis once. This reminded me of all the reasons why - especially the nauseating way they handled Troi's assault.

  • @icer1249
    @icer1249 8 месяцев назад +13

    something you missed. during the fight Enterprise is able to read the scimitars shield strength while its cloaked. but they couldn't find it earlier cause the "cloak is perfect" as gerodi says.

    • @jareds8729
      @jareds8729 8 месяцев назад +1

      the cloak was gone at that point, it was just before they crashed 2gether

  • @anthony7697
    @anthony7697 8 месяцев назад +2

    Funny enough about your 'Picard in a buggy Mad Max style' sin - I believe you actually show a picture from the very episode that suggest he would. I believe that picture of pre-Bane Picard is from the episode 'Tapestry' in season 6 - in which the pre-Q events and all hint that young Picard is very much different, or rather doesn't mask how he is in things like risk taking and all, and later on points out that he could not live a 'safe' life and that getting stabbed in the heart set him on a path that was more about taking risks and making a mark on the universe, and that life is fragile and enjoy it. Which I'm fairly certain some elements have come across in the movies as well of that fact. So taht very much could be something that because he wouldn't likely get to do it often if at all - that he'd wanna do.

  • @Sloneyyy
    @Sloneyyy 8 месяцев назад +1

    bro I’m so so happy you put out another Star Trek vid finally 💙💙

  • @alanbear6505
    @alanbear6505 8 месяцев назад +5

    Watching this I was annoyed by the addition of the Remens. They just came out of nowhere but we were just supposed to accept that they’ve always been there.

    • @joels5150
      @joels5150 8 месяцев назад

      It was essentially a historical joke. Romulans are from Romulus. The founders of Rome were Romulus and Remus, so they figured, ‘of course there must be a planet named Remus next to Romulus’, and thus we have the Remans in this movie 🤷‍♀️

  • @OG-ColorfulAbyss.
    @OG-ColorfulAbyss. 8 месяцев назад +4

    What a missed opportunity to call one of them "Data" and the other one "Data".

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад

      But one is his name. The other is not.

    • @edew9180
      @edew9180 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@reliantncc1864hahaha, just came to say "they'd have to rehire Pulaski"

  • @Peterkrack
    @Peterkrack 8 месяцев назад +5

    I think the idea was Riker kills the guy that mind raped his wife .. you know that thing you pretended to care about earlier when it was her choice and they did the Leah finds Luke thing but fcked up

  • @JonThomas92
    @JonThomas92 8 месяцев назад +2

    Star Trek 6 had Romulan Ambassador Nanclus as one of the co-conspirators behind the plot to kill the Klingon chancellor

  • @Joebb3Games
    @Joebb3Games 8 месяцев назад +1

    Worf doesn't even flinch. Now THAT's comedy! Got a BIG belly laugh!

  • @danandtab7463
    @danandtab7463 8 месяцев назад +3

    I'm a huge Star Trek fan and this is the one movie I've only seen two times, many years apart. I remember reading the media while this was in development. Basically it was like "Hey everyone likes Wrath of Khan. We should make a movie like that, with a villain who's on Picard's level. A nemesis, perhaps?" I guess they couldn't bring back Tomulak, that actor had passed away already. Sela might've been...awkward. But anyways, if I could go back and change just one thing about this movie but had to leave everything else the same, my suggestion would've had Patrick Stewart playing Shinzon. Done!

    • @jonathanmarkoff4469
      @jonathanmarkoff4469 8 месяцев назад

      Tomalak was doable. Andreas Katsulas lived until 2006.

    • @danandtab7463
      @danandtab7463 8 месяцев назад

      @@jonathanmarkoff4469 he was totally my guess at the time.

    • @leehessey1154
      @leehessey1154 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@danandtab7463well don't say something as fact when you haven't hot a clue.....duhh

    • @richardthomas5362
      @richardthomas5362 7 месяцев назад +1

      You mentioned Sela. There was a two part episode series in DS9, "In Purgatory's Shadow" and "By Inferno's light" where some characters met the head of the Romulan Tal Shiar (Their secret service). It would have been awesome with Sela rather than the no name guy they used.

    • @jonathanmarkoff4469
      @jonathanmarkoff4469 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@richardthomas5362 I heard there was a book and/or video game where Sela became Empress. But it was criminal how TNG introduced this character played by a fan favourite actress, gave her an awesome backstory, and then did absolutely nothing with her.

  • @chasehedges6775
    @chasehedges6775 8 месяцев назад +13

    Tom Hardy hates this movie and I don’t blame him AT ALL

    • @MisterG2323
      @MisterG2323 8 месяцев назад +4

      He certainly didn't come off well, I'd say. Bet he deposited all the checks, though.

    • @jaeusa160
      @jaeusa160 8 месяцев назад +2

      It's crazy to think this is Bane and Eddie Brock, Tom Hardy is truly a shapeshifter.

  • @mosermi443
    @mosermi443 8 месяцев назад +5

    worf isn't a security officer anymore, he's a command officer

    • @JosephDavies
      @JosephDavies 8 месяцев назад

      Worse, he's an Ambassador!

    • @wannabedal-adx458
      @wannabedal-adx458 8 месяцев назад +1

      He's still head of the Security/Tactical Department on the Enterprise-E. Therefore, he's still the Security Officer. Honestly the difference between Red and Yellow shirts never made any sense with me in Star Trek.

  • @HilaryPea
    @HilaryPea 8 месяцев назад

    This is definitely one of your funnier Sin videos. Thank you for that!

  • @Kundalini12
    @Kundalini12 8 месяцев назад +9

    The scene where Troi uses her abilities to locate the enemy ship, why does she need to move Worf's hand on the weapons controls instead of just use her own? That never made sense to me. Surprised it didn't get a mention in this video.

    • @ZeroB4NG
      @ZeroB4NG 8 месяцев назад +5

      emotional support pet

    • @NeoTechni
      @NeoTechni 8 месяцев назад +2

      Ouji board

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 8 месяцев назад

      It's a lesser sin. They had to make Troi useful somehow, right?

    • @danielhausser8038
      @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад

      Agreed, but that was fine 👍

    • @rickstaism
      @rickstaism 8 месяцев назад +1

      The weapon controls are attuned to Worf's fingerprints.

  • @salutations8705
    @salutations8705 8 месяцев назад +1

    Only part I remember:
    *data* : “it appears to be a robotic arm”
    *worf* : “how very astute”

  • @rorythenerd
    @rorythenerd 8 месяцев назад +1

    YOU DID NOT DISRESPECT MY JANEWAY LIKE THAT! NUHUH!!

  • @CoolPaDuke
    @CoolPaDuke 8 месяцев назад +3

    They didn't make the E and R in the title backwards "because it's cool". They did it to reflect the theme of the movie. (See what I did there? "Reflect" the theme? The letters are reflections of other letters. Shinzon is a reflection of... oh you get it!)

  • @sachyriel
    @sachyriel 8 месяцев назад +2

    Picard likes horseback riding,so a dune buggy might be more up his alley than you think. Going fast, frely over the flat lands, getting big air in jumps, feeling the wind on ... well getting big jumps.

    • @GeorgeMonet
      @GeorgeMonet 8 месяцев назад +1

      And of course Picard would be all over driving a future dunebuggy around on a preindustrial civilization's planet.
      Actually how does a preindustrial civilization have diesel engine dunebuggies and automatic weapons?

  • @victorsagucio1864
    @victorsagucio1864 4 месяца назад

    I couldn't breathe after the "take a hammer to the warp core" Line.... holy crap

  • @Robwithakick
    @Robwithakick 8 месяцев назад +1

    Firefly/Serenity references are always welcome. Wash especially.

  • @danielhausser8038
    @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад +1

    And Riker walks in front(!) of Worf's cover during the intruder alert. Just pass behind him ffs.

  • @brenthaskins1712
    @brenthaskins1712 8 месяцев назад +2

    15:34 In the TNG 6th season episode "Timescape" Data tells the computer to erect a force field around the warp core.

  • @x5992
    @x5992 8 месяцев назад +2

    Star Trek mixes the purpose of a bridge and Combat Information Center (CIC). At least BSG got it right. Sure Navy ships have bridges, but all the weapons and radar control goes through CIC which is indeed "buried" in the middle of the ship.

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад

      Even worse in space. Take submarines. No need for a bridge when you're submerged and your eyes aren't how you navigate. Same should be true on starships. The viewscreen isn't a window and doesn't need to be exposed. Bury that bridge as deep into the ship as you like.

  • @danielhausser8038
    @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад +2

    Whilst ramming, the Enterprise should have collided with the Scimitar's shields.

  • @bertbaker7067
    @bertbaker7067 8 месяцев назад +2

    @~10:50, Picard became more aggressive, or expressed more aggression, after getting stabbed in a bar fight when he was young. Maybe Shinzon's time in the mine was supposed to make him more aggressive too?
    I know I'm definitely grasping at straws here. Just a thought.

  • @kevinbryer2425
    @kevinbryer2425 8 месяцев назад +3

    They finally install seat beats in the deleted scenes.

  • @LightsAndButtons
    @LightsAndButtons 6 месяцев назад

    17:56 Riker also runs in front of Worf, who's currently firing his weapon!

  • @VergilArcanis
    @VergilArcanis 8 месяцев назад +1

    the Reman space suits remind me of iridescent Xenomorphs. makes them stand out.
    as a side note, they chose picard due to Tasha Yar being sent into the past and having her tell little Sela about her short endeavors with Picard as bedtime stories (presumably, and it's a solid fan theory).

  • @brentsimard977
    @brentsimard977 8 месяцев назад +5

    Funny Sins video, Engage!

  • @bobingabout
    @bobingabout 8 месяцев назад +1

    4:43, When Geordi suggests that B4 is an android created before data, you sin it for retroactively inventing something that didn't happen.
    TNG S7 E10: Inheritance, Approximately 19:20 in, Juliana O'Donnell/Soong/Tainer mentions that there were prototypes before Lore, failed experiments, that suffered from an unstable positron matrix.
    B4 definitely fits this description, therefore, Geordi's line is not retroactively invented past.

  • @ruffshots
    @ruffshots 8 месяцев назад

    Outtakes, "They got Will!" Fantastic.

  • @InimicalWit
    @InimicalWit 7 месяцев назад

    “Immediately qualifies you for a desk job” lol

  • @christate3523
    @christate3523 8 месяцев назад +2

    The part where Picard types his orders to Dianna at helm. He could have just given the "full impulse" order after with the same effect. Unless he didn't trust her to turn the engines on?

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, pretty sure one of the strengths of the LCARS system is that any control can be mapped to any console, and the captain's chair should be able to take any control. But again, they're trying to make Troi useful. Sigh.

  • @ericwagner581
    @ericwagner581 8 месяцев назад

    I was waiting for the Bane darkness reference. I almost commented, wanted to see if you did it in the credits. Bravo!

  • @robmadin9142
    @robmadin9142 8 месяцев назад

    The text message bit should have a 1000 sins added "movie, show me you're from 2002 without telling me you're from 2002"

  • @alm2187
    @alm2187 8 месяцев назад +2

    7:57 Maybe the Klingon security officer knows a non-hostile knife draw when he sees one. Of course, if anyone can be that sure, then so can the android with the supercomputer brain.

    • @reliantncc1864
      @reliantncc1864 8 месяцев назад

      Hm, don't know. Worf surely has better instincts on combat behavior than the android with an apparent inability to understand humor.

  • @noneya3635
    @noneya3635 8 месяцев назад

    Excellent use of the colorful metaphors ref from voyage home. 🖖

  • @docholiday41colt3
    @docholiday41colt3 8 месяцев назад +4

    I love star trek but just 4 mins into this video I'm rolling an laughing my motherfucken ass off, the buggy into the ship "NOPE" 😄😆😂🤣

  • @bigwyo9523
    @bigwyo9523 8 месяцев назад

    Glad you got the add out right off the bat.

  • @startiger2
    @startiger2 8 месяцев назад +1

    Not only does this Enterprise-E have 29 decks (out of 24), there are apparently a whole lot more below that! Riker took the slide down to deck 30 and then kicked the alien dude that then fell several more decks, enough that he had a fatal impact when he hit the bottom of the shaft of doom.
    Apparently Enterprise is now designed with TARDIS tech. Of course, that isn't that surprising. Enterprise-A managed to squeeze 74 decks into a ship 23 decks tall in ST:V.

  • @COEYRN
    @COEYRN 8 месяцев назад

    You missed The Hunt for Red moment. 😂 You missed the Caterpillar Drive. NOOOOOOOOO😊

  • @dougsmith6262
    @dougsmith6262 8 месяцев назад

    At 18:55, Picard says "Computer, standby autodestruct sequence...", and suddenly the Alexa on the counter starts counting down.

  • @sekaramochi
    @sekaramochi 8 месяцев назад +1

    A friend in need is a friend indeed

  • @Thenivaalaven
    @Thenivaalaven 8 месяцев назад

    That Janeway jab was gold!

  • @cliffordchapman5738
    @cliffordchapman5738 4 месяца назад

    the ol' "you're the closest ship and there are no other experienced commanders" scam

  • @ThisCanBePronounced
    @ThisCanBePronounced 8 месяцев назад +1

    Was that a Boimler scream by any chance at 22:44? XD

  • @rtsgod
    @rtsgod 8 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting thing in Wrath of Khan is Khan has a smaller, less powerful ship! It's not just, durrr my ship is biggerer than yours! :P It was about thinking!

  • @danielhausser8038
    @danielhausser8038 8 месяцев назад +1

    The flagship runs out of torpedoes that fast? Even off-screen that's hard to believe. Picard breaks the rifle which is exactly made for combat?

  • @mikejohn3265
    @mikejohn3265 7 месяцев назад

    Lol at the Halo jump in the buggy.