Wow seeing the Bluray and DVD side by side you really see the difference!😊 Growing up I hated widescreen VHS or DVD because so much of the old tv screen was just wasted space. I'm often very nostalgic when I think about my old Sony Trinitron 40" tv and wish I had kept it but, then I remember how awful it was to try and move lol 🤣
this isn't always the case. The back to the future movies are actually filmed in a very tall ratio. the movie was never meant to be seen in this tall ratio though. When it was transfered to vhs and dvd they had to "uncrop" the film to make it fill the tv screen. This is against what the original directors and creators wanted. However it's just fun to see and know that the image is so much larger and enthusiasts like my don't mind the taller ratio if it means there more movie to see.
@Daniel Long wow I think my fingers would fall off trying to carry that old thing up a flight of stairs lol My Sony was still working in 2015. I left it at my parents house and after I bought them a new flat TV for Christmas they gifted it to a family in their area. Of course I wish I kept it considering how expensive it is to purchase a CRT TV for classic gaming these days lol
It's called open matte fullscreen. Basically the camera that shot BTTF (and many, many other movies around that era) "filmed" more picture, but the director always framed shots & intended to crop to a wider aspect ratio later. The fullscreen lazily went back to the original tapes and re-cut the film. So you get "more picture" with both fullscreen and widescreen. But only the widescreen is what the director intended.
Great comparison! Thank you for your efforts. It's interesting to see how 4:3 moves in every direction across original film frame. Am I correct, that to make 1.85:1 frame from 1.37:1 film cell, editors not always use same height top and bottom matte bars? For example, for some footage, they could have top bar higher than bottom bar or vice versa? Or this is not technically possible and both bars are static and the same height?
On some CTC Brodcast showings of BTTF 3 it is 4:3 aswell but it is cropped differently then the DVD Release, so it shows different parts of the shot the DVD doesn’t show, you should check that out
(Three years later, I know) Internet Archive has a recording of Part III from NBC in 1993, and I can confirm the framing is different from the DVD. The TV rip isn't a perfect 4:3 ratio, but the cropping on the L/R sides shows it's unique.
Why is it so complicated to give us the full frame by only removing the matte on widescreen versions without pan and scanning, it still would have black bars on 4:3 TV set but smaller ones. Why US TV channels absolutely want to remove al the black bars. I remember when I was a kid in the 80's, movies on TV had very small black bars, I am pretty sure they were full frame pictures. Then an horrible trend happened in the 90's instead of using the full screen versions by the studios, TV channels cropped themselves movies with black bars, zooming in too much, resulting with wider pan and scanning.
@Lucas Super Gamer - Verificado pelo Madruguinha yeah and thats just called pan an scan. open matte implies that you only opened the matte and left it as is. which is what open matte is. if you pan and scan a film cell , then thats pan and scan regardless if a matte is suppose to be there.
So, has anyone sat through BTTF fullscreen vhs tape recently, and how does it compare? I recently acquired a VCR and may invest if worth it, otherwise I have the DVD box set.
BTTF 1 fullscreen is also pan and scan in the exact same way. in that the movie is only a segment of the film stock and bounces around every single cut. If you have the dvd fullscreen then you have the vhs essentially in better quality
@@Themaxleydog I'll have to dig the dvds out (the black box set with the car and flames). I don't recall them being fullscreen. Funny because you'd assume that the 4:3 filming would be to capitalise on the home video rental market. ie. no tinkering needed.
It's so bizarre how much has been cropped, but what can you do? They both cropped the 4:3 from the sides and cropped the blu ray from the top and bottom - I imagine there's even more lost information from the four corners on the original footage.
@Daniel Long I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything (since it doesn't really affect anyone), but the rationale here is that the extra picture doesn't give the audience any worthy information for the story and may even show stuff that the director and cinematographer were counting on being cropped when shown on cinemas (boom mics, buildings, a parcial set, etc.) and can also disrupt how the cinematographer framed the characters and the environment so the audience would feel or understand something specific from the scene. For what it's worth, I would also like to see open-matte versions of some stuff, mostly for the curiousity of it (and I like to know how movies are made), but would never think that they should replace the intended version.
Wow seeing the Bluray and DVD side by side you really see the difference!😊 Growing up I hated widescreen VHS or DVD because so much of the old tv screen was just wasted space. I'm often very nostalgic when I think about my old Sony Trinitron 40" tv and wish I had kept it but, then I remember how awful it was to try and move lol 🤣
this isn't always the case. The back to the future movies are actually filmed in a very tall ratio. the movie was never meant to be seen in this tall ratio though. When it was transfered to vhs and dvd they had to "uncrop" the film to make it fill the tv screen. This is against what the original directors and creators wanted. However it's just fun to see and know that the image is so much larger and enthusiasts like my don't mind the taller ratio if it means there more movie to see.
@@Themaxleydog I don't mind it at all too! I'm also looking forward to the 4K Ultra HD version in October😊
@Daniel Long wow I think my fingers would fall off trying to carry that old thing up a flight of stairs lol My Sony was still working in 2015. I left it at my parents house and after I bought them a new flat TV for Christmas they gifted it to a family in their area. Of course I wish I kept it considering how expensive it is to purchase a CRT TV for classic gaming these days lol
@@sheenap6864 is the 4k blu-ray out yet?
@@fanofretrotechnology3802 Yes it is! Amazon and Walmart have the best price for brand new. Ebay has it cheaper but used of course lol
imagine one day universal releases the original open matte scans to the public
Widescreen all the way. It's how it's supposed to be seen in theaters.
Its kind of cool that he synced the soundtrack and the movie
That's pretty interesting that both versions sacrificed footage in one way or the other.
It's called open matte fullscreen. Basically the camera that shot BTTF (and many, many other movies around that era) "filmed" more picture, but the director always framed shots & intended to crop to a wider aspect ratio later. The fullscreen lazily went back to the original tapes and re-cut the film. So you get "more picture" with both fullscreen and widescreen. But only the widescreen is what the director intended.
I could watch the whole movie like this I think
Great comparison! Thank you for your efforts. It's interesting to see how 4:3 moves in every direction across original film frame. Am I correct, that to make 1.85:1 frame from 1.37:1 film cell, editors not always use same height top and bottom matte bars? For example, for some footage, they could have top bar higher than bottom bar or vice versa? Or this is not technically possible and both bars are static and the same height?
On some CTC Brodcast showings of BTTF 3 it is 4:3 aswell but it is cropped differently then the DVD Release, so it shows different parts of the shot the DVD doesn’t show, you should check that out
there's no copies of it that are sufficient quality to make seeking it out worth while
Themaxleydog I’ve seen copies the same quality as the DVD release
@@Sneaky_Raptor_ i havent
(Three years later, I know)
Internet Archive has a recording of Part III from NBC in 1993, and I can confirm the framing is different from the DVD.
The TV rip isn't a perfect 4:3 ratio, but the cropping on the L/R sides shows it's unique.
The dvd definitely looks open matted
Yes but only on a selective amount of scenes
Where can a fully uncropped version of the movie be?
On the original film negative haha
Why is it so complicated to give us the full frame by only removing the matte on widescreen versions without pan and scanning, it still would have black bars on 4:3 TV set but smaller ones. Why US TV channels absolutely want to remove al the black bars. I remember when I was a kid in the 80's, movies on TV had very small black bars, I am pretty sure they were full frame pictures. Then an horrible trend happened in the 90's instead of using the full screen versions by the studios, TV channels cropped themselves movies with black bars, zooming in too much, resulting with wider pan and scanning.
Any hopes that the 4k rescan will be the full frame?
most likely not
4:3 open matte
no it's pan and scan
@Lucas Super Gamer - Verificado pelo Madruguinha yeah and thats just called pan an scan. open matte implies that you only opened the matte and left it as is. which is what open matte is. if you pan and scan a film cell , then thats pan and scan regardless if a matte is suppose to be there.
So, has anyone sat through BTTF fullscreen vhs tape recently, and how does it compare? I recently acquired a VCR and may invest if worth it, otherwise I have the DVD box set.
BTTF 1 fullscreen is also pan and scan in the exact same way. in that the movie is only a segment of the film stock and bounces around every single cut. If you have the dvd fullscreen then you have the vhs essentially in better quality
@@Themaxleydog I'll have to dig the dvds out (the black box set with the car and flames). I don't recall them being fullscreen. Funny because you'd assume that the 4:3 filming would be to capitalise on the home video rental market. ie. no tinkering needed.
@@Themaxleydog It says 1.85:1 on the back, unfortunately.
It's so bizarre how much has been cropped, but what can you do? They both cropped the 4:3 from the sides and cropped the blu ray from the top and bottom - I imagine there's even more lost information from the four corners on the original footage.
That's true
The open matte version is better
It's like the Snyder Cut all over again but this came first.
Widescreen all the way, it's how the director intended it
@Daniel Long I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything (since it doesn't really affect anyone), but the rationale here is that the extra picture doesn't give the audience any worthy information for the story and may even show stuff that the director and cinematographer were counting on being cropped when shown on cinemas (boom mics, buildings, a parcial set, etc.) and can also disrupt how the cinematographer framed the characters and the environment so the audience would feel or understand something specific from the scene.
For what it's worth, I would also like to see open-matte versions of some stuff, mostly for the curiousity of it (and I like to know how movies are made), but would never think that they should replace the intended version.
the bluray isnt even full 16.9 there are some borders on the top and bottom, would be nice if we could get a full frame version
That’s because films aren’t 16:9 because the theatrical releases aren’t 16:9
So, is this essentially a combination of both open-matte and pan-and-scan?
no this is matted and pan and scan