Andy Goldstein CLAIMS Jürgen Klopp Should NOT Be Considered A Premier League LEGEND! 😱🔥
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Darren Bent and Andy Goldstein debate if Jürgen Klopp has earned his legend status as manager ahead of his final game at the club on Sunday.
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Andy Goldstein shouldn't be considered someone with a clue about football.
This is so right, Goldstein is the lowest IQ presenter around he is just awful.
It can’t all be about trophies can it Andy, there are probably 16 teams in the PL who know they cannot win it at the beginning of the season.
So why play at all, if it’s all about trophies why train and go out and play each week knowing they can’t win or it or even get anywhere near it? Are all 18 teams who don’t win the PL failures?
You absolute muppet!!!
I didn't realise he was.
he's right though
No one knows him.
@@Steven-nm7np he couldn’t be more wrong
Goldstein is a typical mouthy southern United fan. He knows bugger-all about anything.
So you class winning 1 premier league title as being a premier league legend? 😂 he might be a liverpool legend but not a premier league one
So Alan Shearer isnt a Premier League legendd then?
@Ricardo-ur5os
@@david83ryan that’s different, he’s a player so you can look to his immense goal scoring record
Changing the narrative to suit ur nonsense opinion
@@david83ryanerr no because that's a different conversation
Goldstein isn't worth wasting a breath arguing against
As a Man City fan i admit Klopp has made the PL much better. The competition between Pep and Klopp has raised the level of winning to a new level. 85 points would win the league previously. Now its a min of 90 to win the league thats the standards he set with Pep.
Klopp getting 97 ,99, 92 and to 3 champions league finals,in 8 full seasons and winning every trophy I hope the next liverpool manager does that.
Man United "fan" tries to play down Liverpool manager. Shock 🙄
Meanwhile also endlessly brings the argument to
“Alex ferguson is the messiah”.
Except If pep coaches the same amount of years in the PL, he will obliterate fergie. By the stats.
@@alexalexalex797Pep is a legend
@@wolfmanj12 nevermind that, im saying the way they always bring up “ferguson” as some holy pinnacle.
Yes he was amazing, but he also coached in the PL for longer than anyone. Ofc he will have more trophies
If Jurgen says on Sunday I’m going to Man Utd there would be Street party’s for weeks and that clown Goldstein would be first there how anybody can take him seriously is beyond belief he needs sacking
So Le Tissier, Zola, Gerrard and Kane aren’t premier league legends because they never won the premiership?!
Pure nonsensical bullshit
They are club legends and that should hold weight.
Exactly. You have to question the intelligence of some people
Gerrard whole career he was in mid table bar a couple seasons he got top 4 he definitely isn’t a premier league legend. Zola and kane are not legends neither is MLT. Great players sure but not legends. Also is benty a bit slow today? It’s PL legends what does a cup in Europe have to do with that?
*Premier League
Gerrard is the greatest fraud in premier league history
Took Fergie 7 years to win the league and 15 to win the Champions League with UTD...Klopp won it all in 6 years
and he only won 2 champions leagues in 27 years, got to 4 finals. klopp got to 3 finals in 9 years.
fergie as the best ever is the biggest myth ever.
@@MrBrasserietotally agree pal
Are we forgetting how many premier Leagues and trophies Fergie won? Don't be soft
@yomo1690 he was around for a lot longer mate but going year for year Klopp beats Fergie by some distance
@@yomo1690 Fergie 1pt away from being relegated too, if it was this age he would have being sacked before he won anything
So Kenny won 1 is a legend? Klopp won 1 isn't? Sounds like someone is bitter. And I am not a Liverpool supporter. He created some of the most exciting and fun to watch football at Liverpool the league has seen.
Dalglish didn’t win 1. He won 2. He won one at Liverpool and another at Blackburn.
@@brenb70 he won 1 premier league, and this is what they are talking about premier league wins.
@@whateverisavailableyDalglish won as a player too that's why he's a legend
@@Jacob56-xl4xo how? He retired in 1990, and the premier league wasn't founded till 1992...
@@whateverisavailableyso why is Ranieri not considered Pl legend ?
Pellegrini Ranieri and Conte won the league after Ferguson left how did Andy not know
Cos he's a casual
Man is a klopp hater period
7-0 makes him a legend you fool😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In Liverpool
Wenger won 3 PL titles not 2 Andy.
In klopps time.
Man Utd,Chelsea,arsenal,spurs, west ham ,villa
Have all spent more than klopp and what and how much have they won.
Klopps a legend debate over
Only an incredible legendary manager can score 92,97 and 99 points in the premier league. Because getting to these point totals all depend on YOU winning games that YOU are in control of.. Winning league titles half depends on OTHER teams dropping points in games which you got NOTHING to do with.
Klopp Scored more points than Ferguson's BEST league winning points totals 3 times.
Here are the top 20 points tallies in Premier League history:
20 - Chelsea 09/10 - 86 points(+71)
19 - Chelsea 14/15 - 87 points(+41)
18 - Arsenal 01/02 - 87 points(+43)
17 - Manchester United 07/08 - 87 points(+58)
16 - Manchester United 12/13 - 89 points(+43)
= 14 - Manchester United 06/07 + 11/12 - 89 points (+56)
13 - Manchester City 11/12 - 89 points(+64)
12 - Manchester United 08/09 - 90 points(+44)
11 - Arsenal 03/04 - 90 points(+47)
10 - Chelsea 05/06 - 91 points(+50)
9 - Manchester United 99/00 - 91 points(+52)
8 - Liverpool 21/22 - 92 points(+68)
7 - Chelsea 16/17 - 93 points(+52)
6 - Manchester City - 93 points(+73)
5 - Chelsea 04/05 - 95 points(+57)
4 - Liverpool 18/19 - 97 points(+67)
3 - Manchester City 18/19 - 98 points(+72)
2 - Liverpool 19/20 - 99 points(+52)
1 - Manchester City 17/18 - 100 points(+79)
all that typing and still only 1 winners medal
@ajnz2420
You’re completely missing the point. Klopp’s sides have 3 out of the top 8 most points accumulated in EPL history. All in a six year period. The fact that Liverpool only won one title with 99, 97, and 92 points is completely off the charts and a complete anomaly. The reality is people do have to take into account the points won (particularly 97 points) because it just shows how insanely great City’s sides have been under Pep. To win 97 points out of a possible 114 points and not win the league is a level of absurdity that is hard to grasp.
I get why people don’t consider Klopp a PL legend with only one PL trophy but Goldstein is so hard to listen to because his football knowledge is so poor and his logic ridiculously stupid
But the people calling him a pl league are at talksport.its just gaslighting. Goldstein just wants to talk about Fergie.
Why? Tell me , I'm listening!! Stop being dumb 🥷... tell us why he's a legend... I'll tell you why he's not
He is not pl legend.. If 1 po is enough why is nobody talk about ranieri?
Not a Liverpool fan, so not being bias. He took over a Liverpool team, that needed a complete overhaul, while also trying to get his style across. They had won no League Title in 30 odd years, so there was no winning mentality there, like Pep had when he went in at City. He had to nearly get every transfer spot on, as they couldn't afford to spend big on a player and it not working out. Example would be, Maguire, Antony and Pogba at Man United, Ndombele at my club, Chelsea recent signings etc. He got them to 3 Champions League Finals, Europa League Final, won FA Cup, League Cups, Champions League, Super Cup and World Club Cup. While giving Liverpool the one they craved the most, the Premier League title. He was the first manager ever, to have his team, play the maximum amount of games possible, with the 4 main Competition's. Was 2 games away, from an incredible Quadruple. No team will ever, lose out on a title, with 97 points, only 1 point off of City and only losing 1 game. The getting 92 points and again some how, losing the title by a point again. Going toe to toe, with a manager and endless money of City. Not to mention he had, Pochettinos Tottenham, Chelsea's Tuchel, Pep City, Jose Man United. If he was at City or Chelsea and had the spending power of them two, it would of been a famers League, nobody would be catching his teams. He would easily of won more than one Champions League at City to, which is a fact. When he got Liverpool to 3 finals, Pep has only been in 2 and won the same amount as Klopp in Champions League with City. Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years, spent over £600 Million, only has an FA Cup to show for it. So anybody questioning Klopp as a great and a legend, is clueless. This is Talksport, so no surprise with them really.
That paragraph was a waste of your time, winning the champions league and the cricket t20 has nothing to do with the premier league, he is below Ranieri on that list.
@@Tebohomotitimi Jog on, don’t comment and bore off.
@@TebohomotitimiLevel surely? And of course all the other trophies on top add to it considering he was a premier league manager when he won them
@@Tebohomotitimi Funny guy
@@tonydew440would've, should've, could've, in your logic Conte, Ancelotti Raneiri are all premier league legends 🤣🤣, in 50yrs your grand children won't remember who almost won the title
Idk I hate Liverpool but Jurgen Klopp should be considered a legend. You can’t really tell the story of the premier league for the last 10 years without talking about jurgen klopp. With that said I couldn’t be happier he’s leaving!
If you talk about the Premier League history Klopp would have one sentence. That’s it.
@@wolfmanj12 In its entirety yes, but the last decade cant be summed up in a sentence without Klopp. Hell we united fans will have a whole paragraph of hate alone.
Hes built a legacy at anfield how can he not be considered a premier league legend hes a left a mark on the league
Hes a legend in my book and i dont even support Liverpool
A legend and a class act
Anfield is not the Premier league, maybe you get confused by the media but that's as far as it goes.
There is absolutely nothing class about Klopp he’s a moody,entitled prick!look how many times he’s tried to bully refs/intimidate people.People rate him because he swears in press conferences!! He’s a clown
What a surprise a biased man United fan who shouldn't be allowed to spew his bullshit on the radio thinks that about a Liverpool manager.
Not really. Just being fair.1 pl is considered a fluke, if 1 is enough why don't people talk about ranieri who won the league with 5% of klopp budget.
@asruluveira so the fact there are millions of people all over the world thinks he is is irrelevant because Andy goldstein a sour man United fan says he is not.
@@johnpaulreed4862 the fact that people debate his status is another reason he is not a legend. When pep leave city you will see how people treats a true legend.. In case you miss how fergie left UTd. Nobody debate or question his status..
@@johnpaulreed4862 the fact that people debate klopp status is another reason he is not s legend. When Pep leave city. You will see how people treats a true legend. Nobody would even dare to question him. Just like when fergie left Utd.
@asruluveira the fact people can/will debate does not change the fact there are people who thinks he is and therefore is. The fact some people have an over inflated opinion of their own opinion is neither here nor there.
Won the Champions League quicker than Pep with City. Won every available trophy against a team with 115 charges. Achievements have been incredible to be honest.
That why he is Liverpool legend not premier league legends
Bro lost 8 out of 9 title races 💀
Charges were only up 2018...
The quick trophy
@@balajiraju4157So you can be one of the biggest legends to the biggest Club in the league but not be a legend to the league it's self.... OK cool.
Pep's better than fergie. And there is proof, he beat him twice in finals. Whats andy smoking
So by your child like logic, solskjær beat pep 4 times, he's a way better manager
@@chucky7826Solskjaer never beat Pep in a meaningful game
@Jacob56-xl4xo when the league has gone to the last day yet again, and been settled by a point or 2 numerous times. I'm afraid you aren't the one to decide which ones are "meaningful" or not Jacob 🤣
@@chucky7826 You don't know what you're talking about , Most of the Solskjaer wins against Pep came in 19/20 when Man City already gave up the title and even then he lost to him in the cup which was " the meaningful game " . In 20/21 season he beat him once when City were already 13 points ahead of United and that was a dead rubber . In 21/22 season Solskjaer lost games to Pep and was sacked soon after .
@Jacob56-xl4xo that wasn't point dopey go back to sleep, my point was every single game is meaningful
Why are pundits afraid to said it loud that Pep is better than Sir Alex
Because Pep has only managed teams that were already winners. If he went to a team like Aston Villa and turned them into League winners then I'd say he's better than Ferguson but he's not shown that he can build a team and turn them into winners.
@@MUFCLoungepep literally proved himself with the barca b team and then took youth players to the senior squad and selling off club legends
@@MUFCLounge 2 champions leagues in 27 years.
Farmer's league manager.
United spent how much on rio? 30m? 30 years ago. Teams in the premier league still can't afford that.
Because of Aberdeen
@@MrBrasserietbf Pep doesn’t have the best CL record & he’s been caught paying referees, taking a job at the CL holders & failing to win it & he’s finally won it at City but they have 115 charges they’re yet to provide any evidence to clear themselves so it’s hard to pretend Pep is miles clear ngl
Lmao Goldstein stirring it. Not even a Liverpool fan but Klopp is a legend he won everything you can win at Liverpool.
A Liverpool legend not a premier league legend, and he didn't win everything u can win. Never won the Europa league and he was in it 2 r 3times!
@@Stephen09W Europa League/Conference League are pony when you’ve got a CL in the cabinet mate
Andy will say anything these days.
1 league title in 9 years is actually the lowest percentage of any title winning manager
Yaa who else won the league in that time lol 😆 city which are a joke. So you haven't a clue lol
@@Johnnyquid20Leicester 💀
* season no proper home and away fan attendance. Veracity of premier league was massively compromised. Liverpool played teams at home with fans were the reciprocal arrangement didnt happen.
@@Johnnyquid20Leicester and Chelsea, next
And it was the best 9 years of supporting my team. "We have seen things they can only dream".
THIS IS FURGIES Tally Total
In the 1993-1994 season, Manchester United amassed 92 points.
In the 1999-2000 season, they achieved an impressive 91 points.
In the 2006-2007 season, they secured an astounding 89 points.
In the 2007-2008 season, they reached an exceptional 87 points.
In the 2008-2009 season, they garnered a remarkable 90 points.
In the 2010-2011 season, they achieved a commendable 80 points.
In the 2012-2013 season, they clinched the title with an outstanding 89 points.
Therefore, Manchester United, under Sir Alex Ferguson, went above 90 points in the Premier League twice-in the 1993-1994 and 1999-2000 seasons.
Southerners who support united are proper melts
1 PL tile in 9 years. Pep about to win 4 on the spin Jurgen Klopps watch.
1 league title new set of teeth and laser surgery to his eyes he’s definitely a leg end 😂
And 0 charges for financial breaches.
😂 you just had to go for the teeth
as man utd fan i have huge respect of mr klopp
who cares he's a Liverpool legend and adored by Liverpool fans
You lost me at Andy Goldstein.
You can't base your argument Goldstein about the amount of trophies. Klopp is an inspirational leader which transformed the club. Very few people have achieved this.
Pep is better than fergie.
I feel like if United go another 10 years without winning the league and are the same and a manager comes along and does what klopp done for for Liverpool at United and brings that feeling back about that old United Andy would say that managers a legend.
Klopp & Ranieri are Premier league legends. Winning the PL is not an easy thing. Klop reached the Champions league final 3 times & one Europa final how can he not be a legend.🤷♂️
Because the champions league and Europa have nothing to do with the premier league perhaps?
Klopp has spent nearly a billion and broke multiple world transfer records. Trying the claim klopp is like Ranieri is embarrassing. Liverpool are not leicester
Please spare me your stupidity & ignorance I didn't compare Klopp & Ranieri. I said they have both one the EPL that makes them legends.
@HKNYN1 You are shallow minded please spare me your stupidity.
@@caesarliamana6983 That sounds a lot like comparing them.
Golstein behaving like a child 🙄
They live off the Fergie days, it's all they have left
Jurgen Klopp. Is. A. Legend.
As a United fan, just the fact that we're happy to see him leave Liverpool exactly defines his legendary status. Legendary status does not equal only accolades. When you think Liverpool, you will think Shankly, Gerard, Dalglish, Klopp etc for the same and/or different reasons. Klopp's name will live long in the memory of Liverpool fans, City fans, United fans and them Prem in general... That is legend.
As a Man United fan it's people like Goldstein that embarrass us. Seriously his football knowledge is so piss poor. I think Klopp should be regarded as a Premier League legend. He won it all at Liverpool & also I think he's a bloody good character the kinda person that you'd love to have a beer with
I’m not surprised because majority M.united fans not talking about Klopp positive 🤣🤣🤣
saying the 19/20 season has an asterisk is crazy, by the time we went into lockdown Liverpool were 1 or 2 games away from being champions, sounds bitter
"Are they a pl legend" is the sort of debate rival fans have in primary school. No-one cares
‘Fergie took over a team which was mid table at Man United’ The exact thing Klopp took over at Liverpool ffs!
If Klopp had Pep's available spend at man city in the past however many years, I reckon he'd have won more leagues and more champions leagues
We wouldnt take Klopp at City, Pep's return on investment doesn't need fans to speak for it.
Klopp spent nearly a billion himself and broke multiple world transfer records. Liverpool aren't leicester
You don't know that, do you?
this guy saying he is not; is the best proof that he is!
He is right tho, 1 premier league and 1 champions league in his tenure at Liverpool is Shocking, overshadowed by his PERFORMANCE NOT TROPHIES, so he’s not wrong
I hate Klopp, but he deserves more credit, if Pep didn't exist Liverpool would have dominated the league, but Pep does exist and thank god Liverpool didn't.
club world cup is not a competitive cup, the champions league winners almost ALWAYS win that as well.
The turnaround he has overseen at Liverpool is quite an achievement in itself. We were languishing in mid table as after thoughts, played Champions League once in 5 years before he came in. He is most certainly a legend at Liverpool and in my opinion that's all that matters.
8 trophies. That’s legendary status. As a West Ham fan i keep being told that we should be immortalising David Moyes for winning a tin pot trophy. So 8 major ones for Liverpool, you gotta give him that. If it weren’t for Man City cheating for 15 yrs he would’ve been the 2nd greatest of all time.
Here we go again, AG acting as devils advocate and coming across as clueless.
Honestly I've never took goldstein seriously ever since he absolutely ruined soccer am,still in bewilderment how he got this gig,stick to snooker mate,Darren Bent meanwhile,love listening to him,absolute gentleman, and more importantly,knows what he talking about
He does not need to be premier league. He is our own LEGEND.
Andy Goldstein shouldn't be labelled a radio pundit!
The Klopp love-in Goldstein refers to has been going on for years. They've just turbocharged it since he announced he's leaving.
That poem made me sick in my mouth
It’s honestly draining listening to “fans” of football sometimes because people are constantly so biased towards their teams rather than just talking common sense.
Why is it so difficult for fans to acknowledge other teams players/managers if they’re good? I don’t get it.
If football was all about stats, it’s time to take away all the trophies available.
What does that nonsense even mean
The premier league is better now than it was when Fergie was at Man U. Debate over.
Klopp made Liverpool a feared and respected club that everyone took notice of, especially if their own club, domestic or European, was to play against them. He shaped them into an attacking powerhouse that garnered attention every time, anywhere in the world. I am not a Liverpool supporter but I will certainly regard him as a legend.
Man Utd fan doesn’t rate Klopp. Surprise lol
All this nonsense about 1 Premier League. Based on this theory the great Luck Chadwick was more of a legend than Gianfranco Zola. See how this works. Football is about how it makes you feel as a supporter not counting trophies.
I wouldn’t take this stuff seriously. Producers are creating these debates to get calls in and clicks on RUclips. Goldsteins just been given the tough side of the debate. Anyone in their right mind knows Klopp’s one of the great premier league managers.
If Arsene Wenger is a legend for rivalling Sir Alex Ferguson, then how isn't Klopp one for rivalling Guardiola? Wenger's and Klopp's only mistake was working at the same time as absolute titans.
Fergie left after the 12-13 season, Conte and Pellegrini's wins were not against him
Points only show the gulf in the top and bottom. It’s less competitive which is why there are these huge points total. Record high points total and less points to guarantee safety.
Eddie Munster loves to troll Liverpool
Goldstein more like poopstein... bugger off . Not a liverpool fan but what hes done at Liverpool is awesome. Hell never walk alone
And this bloke predicted Man United would win the premiership so he knows what he is talking about
It has taken PGMOL, refs & VAR to deny him the title this season. He's THE legend...Danke Herr Jurgen,.. You'll Never Walk Alone 💪🏾‼️
People who compare Klopp just on the basis of trophies won, miss the point..
Some do it just for the clicks comments
But he's given them their first premier league title and look at where Liverpool were before he come in
1 Premier league title in 9 years definitely makes you a premier league legend.
Hes up there wi the other 1 pl title winners
Ranieri
Manchini
Conte
Pellegrini
Jokers!!!
Class A trolling from Goldstein😂 look at everyone biting
lol the fact that people are even mentioning his name in conversations just shows the legacy he's left.
Sir alex Ferguson, arsene Wenger and mourinho those 3 are premier league legends, the rest are their own club legends
I really like klopp. He’s a Liverpool legend, not a prem legend. Trophies speak volumes. He’s still great tho but not in the same category as Ferguson for sure.
Dont let this distract you from the fact that some Man United fans think they will do well next season if they miss out on europe 😂😂😂😂
Goldstein is still bitter about the 7-0 😂
Legend should not be defined by how many titles you win and even as a United fan Klopp is a legend of the league. But if you rate greatest managers in the english football because football didnt start in the PL era only then Klopp would likely just make top 10. But he has done more for the city of Liverpool on and off the pitch and that is also very important
As a Liverpool fan, yes there is an argument to have. however Liverpool did not fabricate finances...So how much difference did the extra finances make for Man City. Remember 2 league titles by 1 point each ?
Of course he is - he is one of few managers to win the premier league and the champions League.
So where do you start to be a legend you have to start somewhere he came in and he done the job so give him some credit he's a legend
Premier League Titles: Under Wenger’s guidance, Arsenal won the Premier League title three times. These victories occurred in the following seasons:
1997-1998: Arsenal secured the title with 78 points.
2001-2002: The “Invincibles” team went unbeaten throughout the season and amassed an impressive 90 points.
2003-2004: Again, the “Invincibles” achieved an extraordinary feat, remaining undefeated and accumulating 90 points.
Points Accumulation: While Wenger’s teams consistently finished in the top four, they did not surpass the 90-point mark in other seasons.
Will be known as one of the best managers in the premier league era
I'm a Liverpool fan and Klopp is not a Premier League Legend. He was a great manager but I still put other managers far ahead of him by miles. Pep, Fergie for example.
In the title race 4 times, 4 European finals and a handful of other trophies in 8 seasons. Not too shabby.
Yeah. But 1 pl don't make him a legend esp when Ranieri did it with 5% of his budget and the way LFC crumble after losing mane and finish outside top 4 make him looks weak. Let's be honest. Pep or fergie will never finish outside top 4 with the squad that LFC have
@@asruluveira Ranieri didn't do any of the things I mentioned except win the league once, Mr Troll.
Of course hes a legend his liverpool side with salah mane firmino played some of the best football the prems ever seen. When he took over liverpool they were in the mud and now the regularly baring last season compete for the league.
I understand this is for click and likes but how TalkSport allowed Andy to be so disrespectful to Klopp on the eve on his last game is disgraceful.
In the last 7 years, Klopp is the only manager to really challenge City.. its like Jimmy White never winning a world title, but to not call him a legend would be ridiculous
Utd fans still salty they lost 7-0 to the worse Liverpool squad ever , Liverpool fans sang Ole at the wheel and enjoyed the 7 hag era no Utd fan can make the same claim about Klopp 🤣🤣
He is right in terms of trophies but even I admire what klopp done and for all the other things apart from the 1 title which I’m very happy they not won more he is a legend as much as I don’t wanna say it
What you have to ask is who did Man C hate playing? Who could play them off the park? Not a trophy but we were the only team who could spank them. If the 115 charges are proven then we should have had more titles. As should Arsenal, Utd etc.
Him talking over the the singing of you never walk alone doesn't show respect. If Klopp did what he achieved with united, different Andy...
Wonder if the biased media will do the same and fall at his feet, once Pep leaves?
For me Klopp is a Premier League legend yes by the body of work he has. Also he isn't top 3 managers of all time in the Premier League because that's where the titles need to start counting Sir Alex, Pep and Jose are the top 3. Maybe he fights it out for 4th and 5th with the other managers.
That my view as a Liverpool fan
Andy is spot on
Curious, take Fergie and Wenger out, as they are undoubtedly legends, who would be a managerial legend in the prem? In my opinion, Jurgen is a legend. Oh and Pep is an legend also, no doubt.
I’m a Chelsea fan and Klopp is definitely a Premier League legend. To say otherwise is ridiculous
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is what football reporting has become.