They needed minimum preliminary evidence to justify a raid. They need such evidence when applying for a warrant to be legally allowed to perform a raid. This camp being so secluded and off the grid probably made the process of gathering evidence more lengthy.
I believe they knew about all of this, they now have to act because maybe a private person has exposed that to Media, so they had no choice to act as if, they are doing their job
@@veronicakarstel9126 Exactly. Unfortunately they are incompetent's so they can't even change. The incompetent fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo. Think Zuma and kie. The competent just eave for greener pastures.
They should face several charges, including: -Violation of the Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act (RFMAA): This act regulates the provision of foreign military assistance and prohibits South African citizens and foreigners from engaging in mercenary activities or unauthorized military assistance without the necessary authorization from the government. -Violation of the Prohibition of Mercenary Activities and Regulation of Certain Activities in Country of Armed Conflict Act: This law prohibits mercenary activities and the involvement of South Africans or foreign nationals in armed conflicts outside the country without authorization. -Possession of Unlawful Weapons or Ammunition: If found with unauthorized military-grade weapons or ammunition, you could be charged under the Firearms Control Act. -Terrorism-related Charges: Depending on the nature of the training and the intent behind it, you could also face charges under the Protection of Constitutional Democracy Against Terrorist and Related Activities Act, which criminalizes terrorist activities and the support of terrorist organizations.
I fully agree... many other countries would just lock them up forever, regardless of being guilty of any of these charges. The problem in South Africa is that if they are charged with any offences - then the government admits to being in the dark about it... and Government Intelligence should also be facing charges!
There are many of these camps in SA. A couple outside of Witbank. But the police turn blind eye for the right price. Then we wonder why we’re on an international watchlist.
Would like to know who funded this. Also whether government officials were bribed into turning a blind eye. Or whether the Libyan and SA government agreed to a deal that involved compensation to the government. Thanx
@@gideongouvs5559 which company are you working for? I wanna send department of labour and home affairs there. I don't like corrupt officials. All criminals must go to jail. Including fake asylum seekers🚮
Previous "military camps" has a different context to this one. In the past they related mostly to apartheid killers' training camps against our people. South Africa is now a 'democratic, free state.' There is nothing that necessitates such to be exiting anymore. So, what is the purpose of this one, how come RSA allows same? The answer to these questions will not remove the illegality, threat posing nature of this to our wellbeing as Suth Africa, nothing excuses the existence of same on our land.
International media knows so much about this country than we do... We have poor security I mean if the residents kept silent we wouldn't have known about this... I don't think it's the only camp they have in this country and We have so many illegal military bases in South Africa, foreign gangs from Nigeria in all our cities, its head quarters in Johannesburg Hillbrow.. we have Zim gangs, Malawi, Mozambique, Mexico, etc.. South Africa is not a country but a playing ground.. I'm starting to think Apartheid was better than this so called democracy, even our own citizens commit crimes and still blames apartheid for their uncivilised behaviour.. .. we don't have competent leaders but so called comrades... We are a bloody joke !!! Our Freedom leaders died for nothing
And they don't care bcz they know it's not affecting them ramaphosa is somewhere in knysna or franshoek living his best life 🤷🏾♀️you will never see them in places like hillbrow or Sunny side or yeoville they know they not exposed to danger
She'll probably employ primary organisers to state that 'as the ministry of defence, all information is subject to the process of being scrutinised by a body of officers and experts, with knowledge of how further to proceed and protect the country or interest of SAns.'
The request to shut down the camp probably came from Washington. It’s a shame that our government is compromising our national security and our international reputation by allowing such training camps for foreign mercenaries to exist in the first place! There is no benefit for SA involving itself in these conflicts, but seemingly our authorities lack reason!
The thing is that if you see Army tents and Army uniforms and millitary equipment and firearms in the middle of the bush you would automatically think it was a South African Army camp and not question it at all especially if the camp has been there for a few year's now ??? .........And then all of a sudden SAPS are raiding the Army camp and arresting the people in the camp and then you know that it was illegal an millitary camp but hey follow the money and then you will be able to find out who is funding this operation there in bush and what I don't understand is how does the intelligence agencie miss these type's of camp's and let it slide like this for so many year's 🤔🤔😡😡 So it just shows you how useless our intelligence really is 🤔🤔😡😡
It's time SA depot undocumented foreigners and or illegal immigrants. This is a serious for South Africans and when we take the law in our own hands they say we are Xenophobic. I just hope this new minister of Home Affairs will deal with undocumented foreigners others we are going to deal with him, he should ask the other politician's. SA knows how to deal with politicians who are not doing their job.
We can thank EFF for supporting open borders which allows riff raff from Countries that do not have our best interest at heart. If we have UK Troops here to train with or provide special training for our forces this will all be official and with full knowledge of the Government
If they've followed all the procedures then why not as long as they do their training and keep out of trouble. South Africa has enough of its own criminals. 🙊
Joh where was this man sleeping when all of us went into a panic mode. It makes sense but the public and country should be aware of of whats happening. Why dont the SAPS know about these activities)???
This is unclear news broadcasting. There seems to be a lack of insight and the interviewer seems to be personally responding emotionally without the clear penetration of the data. SABC news should be more professional - and cut to the chase. You represent all of South Africans. Get focussed and deal with this in a clear 3-5 minute interview. Not 12 minutes…
I say we are mistaken by trusting some of the top people to run this country. It can't not be like this. A plan on pipe line to destroy us. Hope is not too too late
I can't believe that Libyans went to receive a training course in protecting personalities and obtained a visa and are now committing criminal acts. What is this nonsense?
Our own people shout Xenophobia whenever dangers are raised about foreigners, they are also complicit in such things. They are very naive to say the least.
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Are there any reports of a big tea party at the pandor house
The security analyst says it's all fine and dandy for groups of people to enter our country for security training. I think he forgets that this is South Africa.
Was there other foreign groups that trained prior to this group and just disappeared into our Country... Where are those groups... We need clarity here... This has to be abswered by the security company offering that training...
One of the questions I haven't heard being asked is, who owns that farm, coz they will have most of these answers..... And why isn't He/She named?..... Are they under arrest yet?
South Africans all of a sudden appear "shocked" at the military camp. Tropmpoppie Criselda Lewis forgets the criminal role of G4S in the escape of Thabo Bester, and so goo does she forget the mercenary project of Mark Thatcher, not so long ago. May i remind U, Criselda, not 1firearm was found durinv that raid
This is more of a reason why we need to have borders and not just borders but protected borders. Now what do foolishly radical figures such as Julius Malema have to say about this?
So South Africa are training the rebel group to overthrow Libyas government. That's a problem. No problem with legislated mutual government agreements to train each other but a rebel group. Nobody's listening to the gentleman being interviewed.
The stance south africa took on equatorial guinea coup and mercenaries, yet we have numerous " training camps " reported repeatedly another case of double standards depending on who is the " customer"
Next time when you Vote- Vote for Gayton Mackenzie....just Saying...He should have been selected as Minister of Home Affairs...fo you understand now why Illegal Foreigners are a Threat to SA' s own People- This Stinks!!
How do you say Nigeria is giant of Africa .......whereas they buy a can of 300 ml coke 300 Naira....compare to South africa R15 ....where is the giant there......most of them are here in south africa selling drugs
Andy Grudko don't be smart about it, we cannot allow something like this to happen. This country is a joke!! Its shocking, yet the parliament has turned into a comedy show instead of addressing serious issues.
The Libians probably walked through the so called fence along our border under the raidar to come and do there training with home affairs not knowing anything about it and you probably find the TAX PAYERS and rate payers are funding a portion of it with out consenting for these shenanigans going on right in front of our eye's and we as citizen's of our beloved country South Africa have no clue what is going on !!!🤔🤔😡😡
In my openion we cannot speak in South Africa of a 100% professional intelligence agency, for it to be we need government to match which we up and till now do not have. I guess 30 years hasn't been long enough or we do not have truly professional intelligence training personnel, making it just the same side of a coin altogether.
Remember we're called Xenophobic for trying to protect our country and this is the result n allegedly Melema supports the open borders burdening our weak infrastructure and weak rule of law and security 😢
How can the internal security forces and most importantly the Government departments, and any other departments, so many to mention NOT know that thos is going on within the boarders of South Africa? But more than the above this is going to put SA in even a worse international standing that they already in!? Everyone knows that extremist and terrorist organisations train all over the world at the easiest country's that are either sympathetic or are in line with some of these groups???
Please calm down. 1. The training center was registered with PSIRA. 2. The Lybians said on the visa applications that they are coming to SA for security training. 3. Every security guard /bodyguard goes through training in " camps " like this.
I know of similar camps being managed in the Western Cape, and these guys proudly wear Hamas Emblems since before the attack on israel. Rumours have it they were trained how to fly motorized gliders in south africa for the attacks on israel. Even america warned us many times about this and government denied it. And now its apparantly a shock. Pfff, cele allowed this
How on eart do we even allow this to happen in our country. Surely the security agencies should have know about this?????
YES BUT THEY WERE QUIET WHILE WE WERE PANICKING.
Our minister of defence is Angie.. So I doubt it
They needed minimum preliminary evidence to justify a raid. They need such evidence when applying for a warrant to be legally allowed to perform a raid. This camp being so secluded and off the grid probably made the process of gathering evidence more lengthy.
Corrupt Anc officials typical of them
I believe they knew about all of this, they now have to act because maybe a private person has exposed that to Media, so they had no choice to act as if, they are doing their job
Someone here in South Africa organised this.
Of course yes
Politicians 😅 are quiet
Anc involved
@@LondiweMtshali-yy5kflie 😮iam sure according to u Limpopo drug bust also is ANC even if Afriforum caught right hand😂😂😂
Local community discovered the foreign mercenaries. Intelligence & home affairs couldn't care less.
Incapable
Useless bunch
@@MK-gn1nz it only's us who are shocked poor people bona badlands Nalama foreigners kamnandi futhi
@@veronicakarstel9126 Exactly. Unfortunately they are incompetent's so they can't even change.
The incompetent fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo. Think Zuma and kie. The competent just eave for greener pastures.
Will be interesting to hear what Libya has to say about this
There is no Libya, Obama destroyed it, this has CIA written all over
They should face several charges, including:
-Violation of the Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act (RFMAA): This act regulates the provision of foreign military assistance and prohibits South African citizens and foreigners from engaging in mercenary activities or unauthorized military assistance without the necessary authorization from the government.
-Violation of the Prohibition of Mercenary Activities and Regulation of Certain Activities in Country of Armed Conflict Act: This law prohibits mercenary activities and the involvement of South Africans or foreign nationals in armed conflicts outside the country without authorization.
-Possession of Unlawful Weapons or Ammunition: If found with unauthorized military-grade weapons or ammunition, you could be charged under the Firearms Control Act.
-Terrorism-related Charges: Depending on the nature of the training and the intent behind it, you could also face charges under the Protection of Constitutional Democracy Against Terrorist and Related Activities Act, which criminalizes terrorist activities and the support of terrorist organizations.
I fully agree... many other countries would just lock them up forever, regardless of being guilty of any of these charges.
The problem in South Africa is that if they are charged with any offences - then the government admits to being in the dark about it... and Government Intelligence should also be facing charges!
Unfortunately non of those were violated
Journalist is very professional. Asking intelligent questions.
There are many of these camps in SA. A couple outside of Witbank. But the police turn blind eye for the right price. Then we wonder why we’re on an international watchlist.
Take you evidence to Afriforum....They will immediately run to America !!!
Problem solved !!
🤘🤘🤘
Would like to know who funded this. Also whether government officials were bribed into turning a blind eye. Or whether the Libyan and SA government agreed to a deal that involved compensation to the government. Thanx
Who is funding them ????? The base is well equipped.
Well equipped ??? It looks like a PLAYPARK for toddlers
@@gideongouvs5559but that is meant for military mos, not soccer field 🙄
@@rittah8161 did you figure that out by yourself or did someone helped you???
@@gideongouvs5559 which company are you working for? I wanna send department of labour and home affairs there. I don't like corrupt officials. All criminals must go to jail. Including fake asylum seekers🚮
Afriforum
No Surprise-South Africa has been Sold to the Whole Globe😮.....
Previous "military camps" has a different context to this one. In the past they related mostly to apartheid killers' training camps against our people. South Africa is now a 'democratic, free state.' There is nothing that necessitates such to be exiting anymore. So, what is the purpose of this one, how come RSA allows same? The answer to these questions will not remove the illegality, threat posing nature of this to our wellbeing as Suth Africa, nothing excuses the existence of same on our land.
It's scary this country is in danger and our leaders are falling us sometimes 😭😭😭😭
sometimes??? they have always failed us
Sometimes? you just sugarcoating at this point 😂😂😂😂
International media knows so much about this country than we do... We have poor security I mean if the residents kept silent we wouldn't have known about this... I don't think it's the only camp they have in this country and We have so many illegal military bases in South Africa, foreign gangs from Nigeria in all our cities, its head quarters in Johannesburg Hillbrow.. we have Zim gangs, Malawi, Mozambique, Mexico, etc.. South Africa is not a country but a playing ground.. I'm starting to think Apartheid was better than this so called democracy, even our own citizens commit crimes and still blames apartheid for their uncivilised behaviour.. .. we don't have competent leaders but so called comrades... We are a bloody joke !!! Our Freedom leaders died for nothing
Was apartheid a civilised behaviour?
It is sad indeed. They died for nothing. It is only remaing in our hearts and memory what was their struggle worth for.
We in danger South Africa
We are not in danger Angie is there
@@mpuminompumelelo5638😅
Hai kunzima SA security is a big worry foreigners study our law and breach that through our politicians putting ordinary SAns in danger😢
And they don't care bcz they know it's not affecting them ramaphosa is somewhere in knysna or franshoek living his best life 🤷🏾♀️you will never see them in places like hillbrow or Sunny side or yeoville they know they not exposed to danger
@@MIA-fq1di hai Mina angazi anymore 🙄
What are we paying the minister of intelligence for😮😮?
Useless
Useless
Do you think the minister of intelligence is not aware of this
Gravy train
How did Thabo Bester get away with what he did...
How did they get in?
Ramaphosa knows😂😂
Apparently these guys were going around robbing kids their cellphones and some people their clothes
Yoh, they are not only trying as terrorists they're terrorizing South African citizens. What's going on 😢
There's also cases of rape
South Africans we must fight to keep ourselves and our loved ones safe,the government no use.
Kenyan Airforce pilots were trained on helicopters in Camperdown KZN and George, Western Cape.
Wonder how Angie will handle this?
A primary school teacher we are being fooled here what dies she know about secret intelligence wemame
She'll probably employ primary organisers to state that 'as the ministry of defence, all information is subject to the process of being scrutinised by a body of officers and experts, with knowledge of how further to proceed and protect the country or interest of SAns.'
South Africa first needs approval from OFAC for sanctioned countries. I see a backlash from Washington coming.
The request to shut down the camp probably came from Washington.
It’s a shame that our government is compromising our national security and our international reputation by allowing such training camps for foreign mercenaries to exist in the first place!
There is no benefit for SA involving itself in these conflicts, but seemingly our authorities lack reason!
Why is the army not involve here.its mos about national security
Should the sandf be involved it never would have been on the news and these corrupt politicians wouldnt get there money
Oil companies use them
The thing is that if you see Army tents and Army uniforms and millitary equipment and firearms in the middle of the bush you would automatically think it was a South African Army camp and not question it at all especially if the camp has been there for a few year's now ??? .........And then all of a sudden SAPS are raiding the Army camp and arresting the people in the camp and then you know that it was illegal an millitary camp but hey follow the money and then you will be able to find out who is funding this operation there in bush and what I don't understand is how does the intelligence agencie miss these type's of camp's and let it slide like this for so many year's 🤔🤔😡😡 So it just shows you how useless our intelligence really is 🤔🤔😡😡
ANGIE ONLY KNOWS 30% OF THIS INFO
😂😂😂
Even 0% she is useless for this portfolio😅😅
It's time SA depot undocumented foreigners and or illegal immigrants. This is a serious for South Africans and when we take the law in our own hands they say we are Xenophobic. I just hope this new minister of Home Affairs will deal with undocumented foreigners others we are going to deal with him, he should ask the other politician's. SA knows how to deal with politicians who are not doing their job.
Unfortunately this ones obtained study visas, meaning they were documented. It's tough, we are on our own😢
Those ones are not undocumented
We can thank EFF for supporting open borders which allows riff raff from Countries that do not have our best interest at heart. If we have UK Troops here to train with or provide special training for our forces this will all be official and with full knowledge of the Government
I prefer american soldiers than UK
If they've followed all the procedures then why not as long as they do their training and keep out of trouble. South Africa has enough of its own criminals. 🙊
Joh where was this man sleeping when all of us went into a panic mode. It makes sense but the public and country should be aware of of whats happening. Why dont the SAPS know about these activities)???
Bribes
1:06 what intelligence 💔😂
This is unclear news broadcasting. There seems to be a lack of insight and the interviewer seems to be personally responding emotionally without the clear penetration of the data.
SABC news should be more professional - and cut to the chase. You represent all of South Africans. Get focussed and deal with this in a clear 3-5 minute interview. Not 12 minutes…
Premiere of Umpumalanga...???
Mabuza
Probably paid
Our government and our military should make a strong response to this
South Africa 🇿🇦 must change the country low.
I say we are mistaken by trusting some of the top people to run this country.
It can't not be like this. A plan on pipe line to destroy us. Hope is not too too late
I can't believe that Libyans went to receive a training course in protecting personalities and obtained a visa and are now committing criminal acts. What is this nonsense?
This guy being interviewed knows more than he explains. He needs to be interrogated.
cos it's a Banana republic!
Our own people shout Xenophobia whenever dangers are raised about foreigners, they are also complicit in such things. They are very naive to say the least.
Are there any reports of a big tea party at the pandor house
The security analyst says it's all fine and dandy for groups of people to enter our country for security training. I think he forgets that this is South Africa.
Was there other foreign groups that trained prior to this group and just disappeared into our Country...
Where are those groups...
We need clarity here...
This has to be abswered by the security company offering that training...
we being led by fools jrrrrr this is devastating.
Bravo SAPS for your bravery ❤❤❤❤
One of the questions I haven't heard being asked is, who owns that farm, coz they will have most of these answers..... And why isn't He/She named?..... Are they under arrest yet?
Intelligent Services???? 😂😜
National Security??? 😂🤣😜
Equipped with SANDF equipment????
What is Angie going to do a primary school teacher this is a joke of a cabinet😂😂😂
So Libya is at risk now and South Africa is at risk too. Woow ANC
South Africans all of a sudden appear "shocked" at the military camp. Tropmpoppie Criselda Lewis forgets the criminal role of G4S in the escape of Thabo Bester, and so goo does she forget the mercenary project of Mark Thatcher, not so long ago. May i remind U, Criselda, not 1firearm was found durinv that raid
Criminal norms of South Africa mxm😮
If the Gupta family and friends could land at WATERKLOOF ????? With OUR govt ANYTHING is possible I think?????
This is more of a reason why we need to have borders and not just borders but protected borders. Now what do foolishly radical figures such as Julius Malema have to say about this?
So South Africa are training the rebel group to overthrow Libyas government. That's a problem. No problem with legislated mutual government agreements to train each other but a rebel group. Nobody's listening to the gentleman being interviewed.
Common sense - these are Gadaffi son's army.
What are they doing here? Dont they have camp sites for training😮😮
@@LondiweMtshali-yy5kf really?Are you asking me that question?
@@Blackmoses2may she's asking rhetorically🤷, not defending her but I asked myself the same question
That's what I thought. Gaddafi Junior is probably preparing for something ugly.
The stance south africa took on equatorial guinea coup and mercenaries, yet we have numerous " training camps " reported repeatedly another case of double standards depending on who is the " customer"
Abanqolobi😭💔
You speak to much, your job is to ask the question
Next time when you Vote- Vote for Gayton Mackenzie....just Saying...He should have been selected as Minister of Home Affairs...fo you understand now why Illegal Foreigners are a Threat to SA' s own People- This Stinks!!
GNU agreed Rama appointed
Shame ---- a training camp??? For who or what??? Looks like a PLAYPARK for toddlers
Go Nigeria - the true giant of Africa not SA
Yet your scoundrels are all over south africa. Go back to Nigeria please.
🐂💩
All your drug dealers are here in SA
How do you say Nigeria is giant of Africa .......whereas they buy a can of 300 ml coke 300 Naira....compare to South africa R15 ....where is the giant there......most of them are here in south africa selling drugs
All scumbags of drug dealers from nigeria useless country failing to feed its people
So the Police didn't know about this,I don't believe this one
I've seen Libyans in town in Durban and loads of Somalian even. All syndicates
Sadf supplied tents and equipment been used. ...anc supplied
They didn't come OR Tambo International Airport.
They came by back door this country is a joke a banana republic😂😂😂
Boats as means of transport or even ships
They came through OR Tambo, using study visa 🤷🏽♀️
@@rittah8161 So mis presentation 🤭
@@eugenemahaye625 yeah. Imagine study visa. This country has gone to dogs
Let me prepare to go back home l don't want to die here l will run for my dear life
ANC is behind this
What an annoying interviewer!
_"Who should we blame?" _
First of all have you established that there is something to blame on someone?
Insurgency
Mercenaries in a making! Sad. CRY My BELOVED COUNTRY!
Andy Grudko don't be smart about it, we cannot allow something like this to happen. This country is a joke!! Its shocking, yet the parliament has turned into a comedy show instead of addressing serious issues.
Thanks ngu yaka ramaphosa viva president viva
Military Training Camp !!!
Without any weapons ????
Show us the weapons they use in their training...
I smell bullshit !!!
Bheki Cele knows and zizi kodwa wow the whole mimister shame south africa
Guns for hire.These are mercenaries; reminds me of the Executive Outcomes group.
The Libians probably walked through the so called fence along our border under the raidar to come and do there training with home affairs not knowing anything about it and you probably find the TAX PAYERS and rate payers are funding a portion of it with out consenting for these shenanigans going on right in front of our eye's and we as citizen's of our beloved country South Africa have no clue what is going on !!!🤔🤔😡😡
So we expect intelligence service from people with bantu education?
In my openion we cannot speak in South Africa of a 100% professional intelligence agency, for it to be we need government to match which we up and till now do not have. I guess 30 years hasn't been long enough or we do not have truly professional intelligence training personnel, making it just the same side of a coin altogether.
😮
Well it's alright as long as they are not Zimbabeean or Nigerian 😂
Nope all foreigners must go
Xenophobia will return the more this story develops😢 trust me
Who owns the Farm?, follow the money, get Ian Cameron involved, it wont hurt to let the CIA or Mossad interrogate Mrs Naledi Hamas Pandor either.
I agree...
Intelligence Service !! Mmmm
Remember we're called Xenophobic for trying to protect our country and this is the result n allegedly Melema supports the open borders burdening our weak infrastructure and weak rule of law and security 😢
How can the internal security forces and most importantly the Government departments, and any other departments, so many to mention NOT know that thos is going on within the boarders of South Africa?
But more than the above this is going to put SA in even a worse international standing that they already in!?
Everyone knows that extremist and terrorist organisations train all over the world at the easiest country's that are either sympathetic or are in line with some of these groups???
I hope the International community flags this as a very serious matter and hold SA accountable
Please calm down.
1. The training center was registered with PSIRA.
2. The Lybians said on the visa applications that they are coming to SA for security training.
3. Every security guard /bodyguard goes through training in " camps " like this.
Terrorism
Follow the money ....training for oil ??
Stupidity politics in Africa 😂
Gnu is to much fokus on malema and forget about there job
When moses was send to free the slaves yoh that slaves was so stuborn now this is what we face in africa
Singakhuluma ukuthi bangene kanjani kona kulabo sopolitiki kukhona awaziyo ngalabantu,sebezothula nje kodwa ifuna ikuphenywa lento,
This has been happening for a long time.many country a training in countries
Remember,Libia is on the Palestine team...go figure 😏
I know of similar camps being managed in the Western Cape, and these guys proudly wear Hamas Emblems since before the attack on israel.
Rumours have it they were trained how to fly motorized gliders in south africa for the attacks on israel.
Even america warned us many times about this and government denied it.
And now its apparantly a shock.
Pfff, cele allowed this
And who gave them their farms to train on, AWB FARMERS!!!!!
Proof of this? Or are you a liar, Johan?
I bet you don't have proof...
The western cape government is pro Israel and will never allow such activities to take place. So Johan lick your lips and taste the 💩 you're talking
Proof
Interesting reporter.....get's carried away with rhetoric and speculations then makes brash statements about laws......mmmm no thanks.
Sa becsuse we have mo law and order security all welcome the badder the better
Pls before everyone movie check around the if the no plant poms around don't trust this arabs