The REAL Jose Chavez y Chavez: Pal of Billy the Kid

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
  • One of the more memorable characters from Young Guns 1 and 2 was Chavez y Chavez, portrayed by the talented Lou Diamond Philips. And yes, Chavez was real! He was a constable in San Patricio and an ally of the Tunstall McSween faction during the Lincoln County War. Jose was a full participant in the troubles and was present during the Battle of Lincoln, making a getaway from the burning McSween home alongside Billy the Kid. But who was Jose Chavez y Chavez really? Was he a Navajo as popularly believed? And how did he become a hired assassin? Also discussed in this episode is Chavez’s encounter with Bob Ford and the other Regulators and friends of Billy the Kid, guys like Henry Newton Brown, George and Frank Coe, Ab Saunders, John Middleton, Billy Wilson, Tom Pickett, and more! I also give my opinion on what really happened there at Fort Sumner on the night of Billy’s alleged death and discuss The Kid’s “body count”. #wildwest #history #americanoldwestfacts #billythekid
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Комментарии • 364

  • @Heyzeus101
    @Heyzeus101 8 месяцев назад +31

    Young Gun Chavez is one of my favorite cinematic outlaws. His real story is so interesting! Great podcast!

  • @gunnarjordan6980
    @gunnarjordan6980 11 месяцев назад +26

    Huge Billy the Kid enthusiast here. Love his story and knowing the history of those around him. Great video! Thanks!

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks!

    • @BEEZYS-WORLD
      @BEEZYS-WORLD 10 месяцев назад

      Same here I was just in Lincoln County and ft Sumner taking it all in

    • @Hugo-py2ce
      @Hugo-py2ce Месяц назад

      Agreed, Chavez was something else! They never really talk about jose Chavez till now. Great info.

  • @ScottStewart-w3x
    @ScottStewart-w3x Месяц назад +3

    I just came for a quick listen ... maybe 5 minutes or so ... but your narrating style hooked me. Kudos and great job on keeping it entertaining and interesting.

  • @themulletteer6839
    @themulletteer6839 Год назад +33

    Extravaganza time! Good on you brother for going into the "side" characters to the western heavy hitters. Many historical tellings leave these contributors to the wayside, or worse attribute their deeds to others that fit the media portrayal of the story.
    Keep the history alive my friend!

    • @ronaldanglada-chavez8545
      @ronaldanglada-chavez8545 9 месяцев назад

      Haha nobody even gives mother Spain and her children the credit due. They invented the cowboys, and helped trailblaze this continent before anybody else.
      Chavez y Chavez belonged to this fierce and noble bloodlines. But unfortunately a curse appears to have limited us. I call it the Spanish curse

  • @MurderHornet-mo3tm
    @MurderHornet-mo3tm Год назад +27

    "did u guys see the size of that fcking chicken"

    • @DTk5584
      @DTk5584 2 месяца назад

      “We’re in the spirit world asshole they can’t see us”

    • @carlamarlene2927
      @carlamarlene2927 2 месяца назад

      @@MurderHornet-mo3tm I think it was "d'you see the size of that cock a doodle God damned doo?

    • @samisshortforsamurai
      @samisshortforsamurai 2 месяца назад +1

      Spirit world's eatin' good.

    • @timothyporras3720
      @timothyporras3720 2 месяца назад

      @MurderHornet-mo3tm yes the size of that godam cockierdoodlele dam do!!!

    • @Todd-h6x
      @Todd-h6x 13 дней назад

      ​@@samisshortforsamurai actually it's "did you see the size of that G.D. cockadoodledoo"!!😮

  • @michaelramirez5969
    @michaelramirez5969 Год назад +27

    "It's an ancient Navajo word.. it means stop."

    • @gachakeaoshi384
      @gachakeaoshi384 Год назад +2

      He got "corrected" when lou diamond Phillips went to the Navajo reservation. Look it up

    • @tmoney3457
      @tmoney3457 3 месяца назад

      Atsi atsi

  • @chipmusick682
    @chipmusick682 Год назад +12

    I wish there was an emoji with the sound of a baseball being knocked out of the park, it would save me a lot of trouble...it's great to know more about the other people in the L.C.W. Can't wait for the Pat Garrett episode, he is an interesting character in the Kid's saga...almost tragic...No need to tell you to keep up the great work, I know you will! Much Thanks!

  • @rialobran
    @rialobran Год назад +10

    I'm looking forward to next Wednesday and the 'Guy nobody has ever heard of', I've been waiting for you to do him.
    As always a brilliant episode.

  • @basementboise1181
    @basementboise1181 Год назад +14

    Love your podcast. Great voice. Excellent story telling.
    Thank you for the entertainment.

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      Thank you for listening

    • @jonhenson5450
      @jonhenson5450 Год назад

      ​@@WildWestExtravaganzasuper work, may I ask what part of TX you are from? It may explain your practical reasoning of some of this . What town?

  • @Dirty2Clean1980
    @Dirty2Clean1980 10 месяцев назад +4

    That’s crazy this whole week I’ve been calling my homie Chavez Chavez and this popped up. Young guns was one of my favorites when I was younger and still a great film and one of my all time flicks.

  • @jabronisauce6833
    @jabronisauce6833 Год назад +10

    Ahhh Chavez Chavez forever love the legend and yes because of YOUNG GUNS so good they named him twice lol

  • @MTGAttitude
    @MTGAttitude Год назад +15

    Hey Josh, just want to say that I love the content. Good, bad or indifferent, you tell the whole truth. It's refreshing to hear your vernacular as well. Job well done, keep up the great content

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +3

      Thank you

    • @dennistate5953
      @dennistate5953 Год назад +2

      Quit lookin at his dern vernacular! I done called dibs and duels at dawn! And thank you bothest the mostest!

    • @MTGAttitude
      @MTGAttitude Год назад +1

      @@dennistate5953 Well played Dennis...well played

  • @kevincurry8350
    @kevincurry8350 Год назад +14

    "Did you know we're in the spirit world?"

  • @jasonbrown9490
    @jasonbrown9490 11 месяцев назад +7

    Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright.

  • @catholiccrusader5328
    @catholiccrusader5328 Год назад +6

    Josh, you are so right, man. These are the good old days.

  • @claytonhass5117
    @claytonhass5117 Год назад +90

    A timeline in which Billy the kid would have survived long enough to be interviewed by Joe Rogan would have been something

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +41

      "Woah, you killed a Sheriff...that's crazy. Jamie pull up that clip of the chimpanzee with mange"

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 Год назад

      Joe Rogan is an idiot and I absolutely will not listen to the opinion of anyone idiot enough to believe the moon landings were a hoax, talk about feeble mindedness that's it right there, allowing yourself to be talked into that malarkey.

    • @swampghost72
      @swampghost72 Год назад

      That's funny right there..Joe Rogan interviewing Billy the kid lmao..I can definitely picture that one.SOOO!! YOU WERE STANDING THERE GUN IN HAND GRITING YOUR TEETH WITH THIS MENACING LOOK ON YOUR FACE ALL PISSED OFF AND THEN YOU RAISE YOUR WEAPON AND BAMMMM!!!!! BILLY WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU PULLED THE TRIGGER? I MEAN YOU ACTUALLY KILLED THE SHERIFF WHAT IS THAT LIKE .

    • @Snorky_88
      @Snorky_88 Год назад

      The gay little zoomers today I'm sure would ruin that. He would be labeled a toxic masculine bigot.

    • @gilbertgurule5395
      @gilbertgurule5395 11 месяцев назад +3

      They would have discussed the extinct oso plateado (mexican grizzly bear) as Billy probably had a story or two about them

  • @westt9030
    @westt9030 Год назад +47

    We're getting the gang back together, pals!

  • @alanleemaxwell831
    @alanleemaxwell831 Год назад +2

    I've been looking forward to this!!
    Thanks Josh 👍🇬🇧😉

  • @AIRRAID2
    @AIRRAID2 Год назад +2

    In my heart It will forever be known as The Bloody Beaver podcast❤
    Hope all is well with your family.
    Thanks man🌵🐍🦎🐎🐎🤠

  • @chucklehead2000
    @chucklehead2000 Год назад +7

    I totally did that Eagles thing when I drove through Winslow Arizona.

  • @ronaldanglada-chavez8545
    @ronaldanglada-chavez8545 9 месяцев назад +4

    He was a member of Vicente Silvas gang. They were one of the first mafia gang members. I have a book on the entire gang, with photos of Vicente, and a rare photo of Chavez y Chavez.
    Contact me if you want more information.

  • @fierce8215
    @fierce8215 Год назад +7

    Man what a time, one day a person could be the County Marshall or a sheriff's deputy and by the end of the week stealing cattle or robbing a bank only to wake up Monday morning and do it again!

  • @swhip897
    @swhip897 Год назад +4

    Love your skepticism..
    Great show. ❤

  • @samwell707
    @samwell707 Год назад +3

    Been waiting for this one.

  • @paultrento1479
    @paultrento1479 Год назад +5

    You are the best brochacho !

  • @leeman2007
    @leeman2007 5 месяцев назад +2

    love your channel. be nice to see other photos during your videos though

  • @chaffcutter58.
    @chaffcutter58. 5 месяцев назад +2

    Just subbed , i listen to you when I wake up early, rea
    Ly enjoy your analytical breakdown of ' Brushy Bill " Roberts, oh and I hope you get that roll in young guns 3!

  • @dennistate5953
    @dennistate5953 Год назад +1

    So close to the old West o'days o'yore we still hold close for love's sake a tad bit just somewhere around; enough to share contemporaneously and extemporaneously in Chattanooga or a fair more than few folks fine hearts today. Thanks Josh.

  • @chadgodsey1382
    @chadgodsey1382 2 месяца назад +1

    Just found this channel, great content, but wasn't Dick's last name spelled Liddil???

  • @WNB-g7v
    @WNB-g7v Год назад +2

    Great episode! I have a topic you should do; The Rogue River war, I have done tons of research on it and I would like to see if you come up with similar things.

  • @charliesexton2083
    @charliesexton2083 Год назад +3

    Have enjoyed your content since bloody beaver. Always interesting and humorous. You sound like Danny McBride.😂🤣😂

  • @mrg8920
    @mrg8920 Год назад +2

    Love your stuff josh! Keep up the great work and you better blow my socks off with this "man with no name" dude next wednesday

    • @mrg8920
      @mrg8920 Год назад +2

      Also I had no idea you had a RUclips till you mentioned it. I'll keep listening on Spotify of course, still cool that you're branching out your platform though. When will I see your name under a true west article?

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад

      Haha, you'll have to ask them

  • @lesliecarter7605
    @lesliecarter7605 Месяц назад +2

    Henry Brown was one of our cousins in our family from of course way back. his horse through his shoe so he wasn’t present at the original shootout, but he was one of the regulators and was present for a lot of other things. Wheelers and Cole were all cousins of his.

    • @lesliecarter7605
      @lesliecarter7605 Месяц назад

      Jesus Henry brown was actually snatched out of the jail beat up shot as he was running away from the mob then hung was already dead when he was home I said family history

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Месяц назад

      Very cool

  • @armandozarzoza
    @armandozarzoza 2 месяца назад +3

    I Saw This Guy In Area 51. Last Saturday 😮

  • @ericcrawford3453
    @ericcrawford3453 Год назад +3

    Good stuff keep them coming!

  • @mrpnut801
    @mrpnut801 Год назад +5

    Have you thought about doing a brief history about these old west town's like Las Vegas, NM, Deadwood or Tombstone.

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      Yessir

    • @jabronisauce6833
      @jabronisauce6833 Год назад +1

      Is Deadwood still a town?

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      It is. Big tourist destination.

    • @tims.3950
      @tims.3950 Год назад

      I was going to ask the same thing.

    • @jonkeathley3772
      @jonkeathley3772 Год назад

      I would love to hear Josh's take on the stories of some of the great wild west towns. i've read some good stuff on deadwood, tombstone, and even dodge city all interesting and with Josh's way of story telling would be awesome.

  • @Chrisrk11
    @Chrisrk11 Год назад +1

    Love the content brother I was looking through your videos and haven’t seen anything I may have missed it but have you ever done anything on Jesse James just wondering keep up the good work

  • @TEXAS.N8V
    @TEXAS.N8V 4 месяца назад +1

    My grandmother was born in Hanover, New Mexico, her maiden name was Chavez. I wonder if there’s any connection.

  • @glasair38sr
    @glasair38sr Год назад +3

    Thanks bee-otch! I trust that all is well with the fam. And don’t fuckin’ forget me if you ever do any livestreams or episodes with any Wild West outlaw docs (or how they completely fucked shit up way more than they helped). If ya had a lick o’ damn sense, you’d turn tail & haul ass if you saw ‘ol Saw Bones headed your way! Still gotta hear the Lindsay Graham story someday. As my corporate ass hats have emblazoned within any tagline they fiddle with, I leave yiu with a *sincere* ‘Thanks for all you do’.
    Deuces! ;-)

  • @dwightcurrie8316
    @dwightcurrie8316 Год назад +6

    I have to take a small issue with Billy being the most famous outlaw of all time.......Jesse James was Nationally Famous while still alive and kicking, while Billy became a national Hero/Villain long after his death, but he was definitely famous in NM and surrounding environs.
    Mt vote will always go to Jesse, as the Most Famous Old West Outlaw of all time & Jesse would definitely agree with me, but what do I know?

    • @ADogandHisBoy
      @ADogandHisBoy 10 месяцев назад

      Ditto

    • @johnwingate8799
      @johnwingate8799 2 месяца назад

      @@dwightcurrie8316 Henry Berry Lowrie a Lumbie Indian outlaw was as famous as Jesse James for a short time in the Carolinas.

    • @dwightcurrie8316
      @dwightcurrie8316 2 месяца назад

      ​@@johnwingate8799 "In The Carolinas", Okay. BTW, my family migrated from Robeson County NC to Georgia in 1820, and My Grandmother's distant relatives (Cousins) were involved with a "Scuffletonian" of Lumbee Blood, who committed a pretty famous Murder near where I still live in South Georgia, and disappeared, Likely Murdered by my kinfolk and others involved in the plot, his body cavity filled with rocks and sunk in Gum Swamp.......I've been to Lumberton NC several times, spent days in their Library & court records room, and traipsed all over the area finding old abandoned cemeteries where my distant relatives are buried. I'm no authority on that area, but I'm able to talk semi lucidly about the places.
      Billy The Kid was "Famous or Infamous" in the Lincoln County area of NM while he was alive, but it was a long time after his death that he gained any kind of national notoriety, due to books written about him.
      Same with Wyatt Earp and his brothers. It was a book written by "Lake" that brought his name before the public and began to create, or recreate(Depending on who you talk to) the Legend of Wyatt, Morgan, Virgil, and Doc Holliday, who was a Georgia boy, from a prominent family, who only rose to notoriety outside the Old West, when Wyatt became famous(Doc was a far more interesting character than all 3 Earp Brothers, put together, IMHO)
      Jesse James was Famous Nation Wide, while he and Frank, and The Youngers were still alive and kicking. The James Gang/James Younger Gang were blamed for robbing multiple banks, Trains, Stage Coaches in Multiple States that were nowhere near each other, on the same day. There are still "Museum Banks" that were "Robbed by Jesse & Frank", that neither Jesse Nor Frank had ever been near enough to have robbed, and God knows how many families there are that today still claim that Jesse spent the night at their, "Grandma's/Great grandma's, Etc." Cabin while he was on the run, and 9 months later Jesse's Son/Daughter was born, and the whole family still Swears their Oath that the story is true and they are Jesse James' Kin.....DNA Results 100% to the contrary. Many knew to begin with, or now know that Jesse adored his wife, "Zee", and led a monogamous life. He almost followed his Father into the Ministry...Just Sayin....
      My Grandfather was 19 when Jesse was Murdered in April of 1882, and was enraged by his Murder. He was an "Admirer", who passed his opinions along to my Father, who was born in 1909, and he passed his admiration, along to me, and that is what started my life long interest in Old West Characters, Lawmen, Bad Guys, Good Guys and those in between. I've been to Kearney, Mo, to the James Homestead, Liberty where they robbed their first Bank"Allegedly", up to St Joseph to "The Murder House", and made all sorts of side trips to innocuous places with Jesse & Frank's name attached in some way.
      I don't propose to say I'm an Authority on any of these people, but 60+ years of reading about, Traveling the same roads they traveled, and seeing the places where they lived & died, makes me at least conversant, about these characters, and Jesse is the only person I've become enamored with over my long life, along with Frank, was Famous while still alive, pretty much from Coast To Coast(Reco0rds and stories place he and frank in California at a couple of points in time, as well as Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, The Carolinas and Points North. Frank still got his Picture in the paper right up until his death in 1912.
      That's the point I was making, Most Old West and Bad Guys Elsewhere, like the Lawmen who chased them, only became famous after their deaths, and enjoyed none of the notoriety for good or bad.
      Jesse was an kind of anomaly, but he was also Literate, and had a flair for Public Relations, often writing letters to newspapers in town all over the country where he was supposed to have been, and mostly Denied any crime he and Frank were accused. He was a Self promoter, who liked to see his name in print(Frank Was The Opposite), and added to his Wide Reputation, Myth, and eventually His Legend. Sorry for going on, but I got on a Roll. Us Old Folks Tend To Do That, I've heard :) All the best to you and yorn

  • @gmbnchaz5323
    @gmbnchaz5323 7 месяцев назад +1

    obsessed w billy and nevada history!! great storyteller!

  • @tims.3950
    @tims.3950 Год назад +2

    What would it cost me to sponsor an episode? Something modest like "This week's episode brought to you by...Tim. And welcome back."

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад

      Email me

    • @patrickryan2337
      @patrickryan2337 8 месяцев назад

      He could have left new Mexico and if he stopped killing he could have lived the rest off his life like buzsy bill Roberts

  • @Str8ShootinLoner81
    @Str8ShootinLoner81 11 месяцев назад +3

    El cervato Billy the kid

  • @ChrisBarnette-zk8iy
    @ChrisBarnette-zk8iy 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love the old wild west stories.
    Would loved to have grown up in that era even though, I'd probably get shot or some strange illness.
    Glad I found your channel.

  • @sherryhead6239
    @sherryhead6239 7 месяцев назад +2

    ❤❤❤ I love all the regulates my favorite is Charlie bandery❤❤❤

  • @michaelowens5522
    @michaelowens5522 11 месяцев назад +1

    ❤ love this site❤ awesome job brother❤

  • @JessDixon-j4u
    @JessDixon-j4u Год назад +1

    List to your show all the time great stuff

  • @vintagecapgunsatyourmomshouse
    @vintagecapgunsatyourmomshouse Год назад +2

    That Henry Brown letter was kinda heartbreaking.

  • @JWheeler331
    @JWheeler331 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good stuff as always of course.

  • @Slipthejab152
    @Slipthejab152 Год назад +1

    Great Pod.. Really Interesting... Keep It Up Brother!!!

  • @dennisjohns624
    @dennisjohns624 Месяц назад +1

    “Is his real name Lou diamond Phillips?” That got me to watch lol

  • @toponeroc
    @toponeroc Год назад +5

    He clearly is not Native American, he looks Mexican with Spaniard roots, he has grey or green eyes in that picture.

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +10

      Wait until you learn what Mexicans are

    • @jgonzogonzo3896
      @jgonzogonzo3896 11 месяцев назад +2

      A little of everything I’m 40% indigenous americas-Mexico 40% spaniard 13% Portugal 3%basque and a bunch of 1 percent

    • @frankserpico6785
      @frankserpico6785 2 месяца назад +5

      @toponeroc - All Mexicans have native American blood running throughout their blood. To this day, there are territories in Mexico 🇲🇽 where they still speak their native language as their first language, not Spanish.

    • @PorkChopAChunky
      @PorkChopAChunky 2 месяца назад +1

      @frankserpico6785 No, they definitely do not. Southern Mexico is the last place you will find heavy doses of native DNA. The rest of the place is mainly European decent.

    • @devilman7670
      @devilman7670 Месяц назад

      You couldn't be more wrong lol
      You've definitely never been to Mexico 😂

  • @dirty_money5439
    @dirty_money5439 Год назад +1

    Just found your channel! Time to binge 😂

  • @dannysimmons3167
    @dannysimmons3167 Год назад +6

    Well technically he lived to see WW 2, just missed American involvement

  • @SirKnight1096
    @SirKnight1096 Год назад +2

    Speaking of Apaches, check out the Chiricahua put on the Mescalero Reservation in New Mexico.
    They weren't exactly besties, if you know what I mean.

  • @MikeGreen-nv4yw
    @MikeGreen-nv4yw Месяц назад +1

    Bro you do a great job!

  • @plymouthduster225
    @plymouthduster225 Год назад +1

    Any chance of maybe doing a podcast video on Texas Jack Omohundro? He a man from the old west that seemed to have done and seen alot in his short 33 years.

  • @jonkeathley3772
    @jonkeathley3772 Год назад +1

    It's about time you stopped doin it with your horse and did a set about ol Chavez lol Keep on keepin on brotha

  • @russellcampbell3500
    @russellcampbell3500 10 месяцев назад +2

    Regulators lets ride. Wooooooo

  • @DavidSweet-f7q
    @DavidSweet-f7q Месяц назад +1

    What do you think about Brushy Bill Roberts and Hiko Texas? Do u think it's possible he was really the kid?

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Месяц назад

      No, I don't. Brushy's life is well documented. He was born in 1879 and just a toddler when the real Billy the Kid was killed.

  • @sarawhitfield5415
    @sarawhitfield5415 Год назад +1

    man I've searched forever for more details on that Las Vegas Bob Ford run-in but could never find much was praying going into this that you had more to that particular puzzle but alas I guess there is no more to be found boo

  • @dwightcurrie8316
    @dwightcurrie8316 Год назад +1

    I do agree with Jake about Billy. He was always headed for a"A Short Rope and A Long Drop". He had more than a little Psychopath in his system & was headed to Hell On A Fast Horse. My father always felt sorry for Billy because,like my Father, Billy had "Lost his Mama" at an early age, but that was based on Little real info and a Sympathetic mind set on my Father's part, but he is the Man who spurred my interest in Billy, Jesse, Wyatt, Doc and the rest. That "Interest has never left me, and I'm certain it never will.
    BTW: My compliments on your delivery, sense of humor and turn of phrase, Josh

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      Thank you

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 Год назад +3

      I've never read or heard a single thing about Billy that would suggest he was a psychopath or "cold blooded" by any stretch of the imagination, he wasn't the kind that robbed citizens, stagecoach's, banks or anything like that, the only known crimes outside of what happened in a range war, if you can call the events that happened in them crimes, weren't anymore than some modern day teenage equivalent of siphoning gas.
      Billy was just some kid making the best of a bad situation he was in, the people he stood up against were the kind of scumbags that swindled people out of their life savings through dirty real estate deals, preying on people who'd come west, often from other countries, just trying to find a better life only to be swindled by a bunch of corrupt hucksters who had the law and politics in their pockets, along with the newspapers which means you can control what the general population thinks.
      I also don't believe he was even 21 when he was killed, more than one source who knew him personally would have put his age at 19 when he was killed, the problem with the belief that he was 21 is that comes from Pat Garrett's book and he'd be the first one to want people to believe that he killed a 21 year old as opposed to a teenager.
      Modern day fact checkers have gone to the church that Garrett's coauthor of the book claimed he went to in NY to confirm Billy's birth date and not only do they not have any record of his birth they also don't have any record of Garrett's coauthor ever coming and looking it up, several first hand accounts from people that Billy was in school with around the age of 12 would have made Billy 19 when he was killed.

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      I partially agree. A lot of people who knew Billy thought he was about a year younger than stated in Garrett's book and there is no proof, as of yet, that the Kid was born in New York. He likely was just 20 at the time of his death.
      As far as a psycho, no...I don't think he was a psycho. I also don't think he was just some kid caught up in a bad situation. Billy was a career thief, even before entering Lincoln County and took part in murder, including the murder of a Sheriff. That ain't exactly syphoning gas. After everyone else left the Territory, he stayed and continued to steal. Much like Jake in Lonesome Dove, Billy took his leaving a little too slow.

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 Год назад

      @@WildWestExtravaganza
      The killing you're talking about was self defense, that's well known, everyone who was a witness to it said that.
      And it's real convenient the Sheriff you bring up without talking about him, he's one of the people who was part of the aforementioned corrupt ring and his crew was part and partial to Tunstall's murder, you yourself have pointed out in how many bios of these old west characters that one day someone's an outlaw and the next a lawman, but then to demonize Billy you want to put it that "he was part of killing a "Sheriff".
      Obviously you've never been in the situation Billy was, I have, I'm from an area that's so blatantly corrupt it's sickening, my best friend was murdered by his girlfriend when she shot him in the back of his head, his 19 year old daughter and myself watched him lay in a hospital bed for 2 months with half a head dying the most horrible death you could imagine, then we experienced something even worse, her getting off for it.
      See my idiot friend had put that trash girlfriend of his in his will, she was to get half of a life insurance policy and home equity money that equalled $70,000 for her but when you murder someone you're not supposed to be allowed to benefit from their death, so her share should go to his daughter by default.
      Enter our blatantly corrupt county government, her defense attorneys father who owns the law firm controls county politics, he's the chair of the democratic party in a county where every single political position has been held by a Democrat for 100+ years, and his uncle was the judge.
      The son had just graduated law school and passed his BAR exam and was in need of having a revenue stream start flowing, by signing her interests in my friends will over to him that assured she'd get off, and here's where the corrupt local newspaper controlled by the corrupt forces comes into play, the jury forman works for the newspaper, a newspaper that it's common knowledge is beholden to that lawfirm because it's their advertising money that keeps them in payroll.
      Her guilt was so obvious and her defense was so silly that a young court bailiff who hasn't been around long enough to understand our county's goings-on actually told my friends daughter one day during the trial "I see these trials all the time and don't worry, there's no way she's getting off", I explained to my friends daughter and his family that that girl was too young and inexperienced with our county and it's shenanigans to know what was going on and that they need to start calling the state attorneys office and start barking about what's going on with this trial and the things like someone being on the jury that was highly inappropriate being on it from having business ties with the defenses firm, but no one would listen, everyone thought it was going to be a slam dunk guilty verdict, which is exactly what they wanted them to think, until it was too late.
      In a nutshell they stole $70,000 dollars off a 19 year old girl whose father was murdered, and did it by letting his murderer go free, oh and of course the newspaper they control put a real good spin on thing's, just like the newspapers put a good spin on the Lincoln County Wars.
      The day after the verdict my friends family, every single one of them, called me up one at a time and apologized for not listening to me and all ask me "What do we do next?", and I had to explain to every one of them that I tried warning them that once the verdict came in there's nothing that can be done, it's too late now.
      Every one of us has had to live with the fact that that woman walks around our town a free person, and that my friends family literally paid for that, in every way you can pay for something.
      Billy stayed in Lincoln County because where else was he supposed to go? He was a kid when all that happened to him and if he'd have been thinking about himself he'd have left, but he felt like he wanted to straighten out Lincoln County, I know he did because I know exactly where his head was, and his "thieving" that you accuse him of continuing doing, was never against anyone that wasn't a part of that corrupt system, even after the trouble started Billy never stole from anyone who wasn't a part of that corrupt power base, he never did a thing to innocent people.
      Yea, he was just a kid that was in a bad situation, and after what my friends family and I went through a hero for taking the fight right to the front door of a corrupt system.

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад +1

      My man, ain't no way I'm reading all of that

  • @fishdude666ify
    @fishdude666ify Год назад +1

    "What was that you were yelling?"
    "It's an old Navajo word. It means stop."

  • @LuisGomez-pg2qk
    @LuisGomez-pg2qk Год назад +1

    Great video!! Love it when they tell the truth about regulators 👍

  • @TheMeJustMe75
    @TheMeJustMe75 2 месяца назад

    I thought it was either Wyatt or Doc that killed Dave Rudabau. They talk about him in the movie Wyatt Earp when Doc talks about hating him.

  • @Jeffrey-rq2gq
    @Jeffrey-rq2gq 2 месяца назад +1

    Excellent

  • @sarawhitfield5415
    @sarawhitfield5415 Год назад +2

    I'm sorry it's just that I watch every old west You Tube content that I know of WWE as well as Arizona Ghost Riders ,Legacy of the West, True West Magazine, Legends of the Old West ,Infamous America as well as a couple of others and NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has ever done one on Harry Tracey A shame Because as a kid I read James D. Horan's books (would check them out from the library constantly) and my favorite chapter from any of them (as much as I am the Supreme Billy Bonney fan) was in fact the section on Harry Tracey I think if you delve into him it might ebd up being possibly one of your favs too' here"s hoping

  • @ursulakolb3760
    @ursulakolb3760 2 месяца назад

    I'm wondering which Las Vegas you are talking about ~~ the one in Nevada or the one in New Mexico?

  • @bustamango863
    @bustamango863 Год назад +5

    Oh Christ chases that’s all we need is more of your redass mambaho jahambaho we’re running outta time.

    • @jonahhex8178
      @jonahhex8178 Год назад +1

      They can't see us. We're in the spirit world.

    • @troybullard9631
      @troybullard9631 Год назад +1

      @@jonahhex8178 "Hey Dawg, did yooo see the size of that chicken ?"

  • @corymarler2724
    @corymarler2724 2 месяца назад +2

    Let’s finish the game

  • @davidvilla827
    @davidvilla827 Год назад +1

    This channel is badass

  • @podunkmissouri4999
    @podunkmissouri4999 Год назад +3

    We're gonna die in here. And he's out there doing it with his horse!

  • @MicahBell_1860
    @MicahBell_1860 Год назад +1

    Is it true that Billy Wilson & Tom Pickett are infact 1960s Soul artist & songwriter Wilson Pickett's Grandpappies? Josh! You need to be asking the important, hard hitting questions!!!

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  Год назад

      Good question!

    • @MicahBell_1860
      @MicahBell_1860 Год назад +1

      & I need to spell check my replies@@WildWestExtravaganza !!!

    • @chipmusick682
      @chipmusick682 Год назад +1

      and I have heard from "reliable" sources that Sally Chisum's nickname was in fact "Mustang Sally"!!!! Please rest assured that I am digging deeper into the Kid's connections with Wilson Pickett...a.k.a "The Wicked Pickett"...will keep you posted!

  • @oregonoutback7779
    @oregonoutback7779 Год назад +1

    Maybe think about doing an episode on Dick Liddil. Pretty interesting fellow. If you choose to, I have a side note to add. It seems, after killing Jessy & Franks cousin, he went and hid out in a little town called Beaver (I know, you can't make this stuff up) on the White River, just a stones throw south of the Missouri / Arkansas line, a short distance north of Eureka Springs. There was a $5,000 bounty on his head, but no one there turned him in because folks around those parts were so poor, they didn't believe that much money actually existed. Have no idea if this story is true, but all the old timers in western Carrol County, Arkansas swear by it.

  • @scottbechtold6022
    @scottbechtold6022 Месяц назад +1

    Hey Josh,
    Love your story telling.
    I'm a resident of a small Arizona town called Dragoon. Nestled at the Base of the Dragoon mountains. Near Cochise stronghold.
    Just to the south is the ruins of a Butterfield stage stop that was the scene of a brutal massacre.
    Also a heroic tale of survival
    Check it out and see if you find it worthy of the telling 🤠

  • @grayman556
    @grayman556 Год назад +1

    I could see Billy being a modern day smuggler like Berry Seal.

  • @toddchafe1703
    @toddchafe1703 11 месяцев назад +1

    Like your shows Amegio...however...you quote Danny and others on their take on Billys life of 'crime" so called.And i do LOVE all your videos.....HOWEVER ...you do greatly skim over or lightly mention the Santa fe ring and the levels of goverment the had control of and minipulated.
    I would like to hear your DEEP dive into the ring...how they murdered and used the courts and media which they may or may not have controled to their means.
    As allways ...thank you.

  • @colinbell896
    @colinbell896 Год назад +1

    He once challenged the coward robert ford the assassin of jesse james to a duel in front of a packed bar...ford slinked away in fear

  • @soulrebel6309
    @soulrebel6309 Год назад +1

    "Mexican-Indian you son of a bitch" Young Guns 1

  • @user-wy1dv2qk5o
    @user-wy1dv2qk5o 4 месяца назад +1

    Fred wait is buried in my hometown of Sulphur Oklahoma

  • @e.f.3207
    @e.f.3207 2 месяца назад

    Do an episode on John Selman or John Larn or Jessie Evans?

  • @DanielCastro-oe5we
    @DanielCastro-oe5we 10 месяцев назад +1

    can you do one on Stillwell and where they buried him officially. Please

    • @WildWestExtravaganza
      @WildWestExtravaganza  10 месяцев назад +1

      Good suggestion

    • @DanielCastro-oe5we
      @DanielCastro-oe5we 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@WildWestExtravaganza thank you it's been a debate between some friends and I. I am from Tucson, AZ I was sure they buried him here but friend is saying it's elsewhere

  • @user-wy1dv2qk5o
    @user-wy1dv2qk5o 2 месяца назад +1

    Fred is buried in my hometown

  • @crystalrusmisel1832
    @crystalrusmisel1832 Месяц назад +1

    Regulators mount up!!!!

  • @robsim4692
    @robsim4692 Год назад +1

    Jesse James and Billy the kid were best friends! They even carved "Billy and Jesse forever" in a tree in Alabama! I saw it myself! Right under it says "the only thing Wyatt Earp likes more than a good partner is a threesome of Roosters"

  • @jonahhex8178
    @jonahhex8178 Год назад +1

    Josh posts a video, everything else goes on hold.

  • @jlemaire9418
    @jlemaire9418 Год назад

    My names 'josh'. I'm named after some Jewish dude too. While I truly dig how well you present the History, you're gonna have to get you another Name y name .
    All that aside, excellent content.

  • @terrioestreich4007
    @terrioestreich4007 Год назад +2

    I end up feeling sorry for the bad guy, what the heck

  • @ronaldanglada-chavez8545
    @ronaldanglada-chavez8545 9 месяцев назад +1

    Antonio Jose Valdez, was the man who shot Vicente silva, not Chavvez.

  • @kerrylangman214
    @kerrylangman214 10 месяцев назад

    Paulita Maxwell had a very low opinion of Chevez....when he and BTK made their first appearance in Ft Sumner in probably as late as 1879....

  • @McDanielRanch
    @McDanielRanch Год назад +1

    Chisums's jingle bob ear cows lived in harsh beautiful country.

    • @McDanielRanch
      @McDanielRanch Год назад

      Witch is how I wonder how any cows could get stolen u ever seen a jingle bob ear mark. I think most people around New Mexico, don't mind buying stolen cattle.😂

  • @TJ_Beam
    @TJ_Beam 2 месяца назад

    Chavez also done a mean job when he covered that Mexican song!

  • @rayhuckhonaker
    @rayhuckhonaker 10 месяцев назад +1

    I just curious, Is this Danny McBride narrating this Chavez story. Which is cool because I always wondered if Chavez was a true member of the regulators. What about Dirty Steve? HEY DOG YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THAT CHICKEN

  • @papmasterOST
    @papmasterOST 2 месяца назад +1

    "Mexican Indian you S.O.B.."

  • @MicahBell_1860
    @MicahBell_1860 Год назад +1

    I think I need to get myself admitted to the bar, my esteemed learned colleague

  • @thebestninja80
    @thebestninja80 10 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder if Chavez y Chavez was born in Los Chavez 🤔 if he was from Valencia county. Either way shout out to Meadow Lake Valencia county desde Los Padillas Nuevo Mexico. And about giving New Mexico a breather if life hasn't neither should RUclips

  • @ericsimpson1176
    @ericsimpson1176 Год назад +1

    Jackson Brown wrote most the song Glenn Fry finished the song. Jackson Brown later stated the incident while " standing on the corner in Winslow Arizona" actually occured in Flagstaff Arizona about 40 miles from Winslow. And yes its true i am a wealth of worthless information.

  • @casteel765
    @casteel765 Год назад +3

    Lou diamond Phillips 😂😂😂

  • @elstunnanumerouno5884
    @elstunnanumerouno5884 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is this narrated by Danny McBride?

  • @Zero-0-Cypher
    @Zero-0-Cypher 10 месяцев назад +2

    Sorry I couldn't see this... I was in the spirit world.