"COTE DE BOEUF." But seriously, I use the french layout (Actually the Belgian variant, with a few differences that don't make much sense either.) everyday, and it's miserable to type french. We can't even type all the french letters with it.
@@DVRC I could do a pretty decent Italian one, as I know several Italians. They didn't make too many keyboards, unfortunately. Moreso for the Spanish xD . I fear a Japanese one could be considered offensive xD .
I'm japanese and I'll forgive you if you continue the keyboard reviews. Other might not be so forgiving though. I feel like others would get offended for us before we would though. What a world.
First time seeing alps switches, I realized I used one when I was 6 at my uncles house. My father had an old model M with the shiny coiled cable. Now I’m a 22 year old with a keyboard hobby, god I wish I remember how they felt.
I see the Entrée key... but which one you you press for desserts? 😂 Also, those dashes are just that. The shorter one is an en dash, and the longer one is called an em dash.
The french layout has a lot of similarities with the old italian layout, but unlike the french the italian one luckily never came to computers, it has been used just on typewriters and up until the late 90s on apple computers. As an Italian I don't know if I have to thank someone!
Wow Marco. Everything is clear to me now. That's why I have some remembrances of when I was a kid typing on first Mac 128k of middle '80s with the numbers to be shifted. Until now, before your clear reconstruction, I thought that numbers not enabled by default was a weird thing typical of the first apple Macintoshes, but reserved to Italian versions only, though.
The logo is a fusion of both Bull logo and Zenith Data Systems logo. I think this keyboard was produced after the acquisition of Zenith Electronics by the Groupe Bull.
hoooo i had one of these at school when i was a kid good times. and yea in french layout for number we use a lot the numpad this is why they are not enabled in the main area.
hey chryro been watching your stuff for awhile now but ive never seen that tree logo at all till i found this 1996 zenith datasystems Z-note-GT its lid has that exact bull logo on it while the zenith data systems logo is on the side i pulled a keycap off the keyboard itself and it seems to have white sliders over rubber domes very odd seeing that on a laptop. (this was typed on my 1995 AEKII white dampened alps (clicky modded) keyboard
The AZERTY layout shares a lot of similarities with the old QZERTY italian layout (same M key on the right of the middle row for example)... still quite a bit more convoluted.
Are you ever going to take a look at Zealios v2? The force curves show that they are about twice as tactile as the v1's, though I can't comment on this myself as I never tried the v1's or ergo clears.
Long ago I had a keyboard made by Bull that had the clicky mechanical switches and was very well made & heavy. Standard US layout; not French. All I can find are foreign or with mushy Alps switches.
can you review a GameMax Strike Mechanical RGB keyboard its one of those pretty cheap gaming keyboards (50 euro) and i have one so i wanna see it bullied
If you are interested in new, more logical layouts, you may want to take a look at Neo, Bone, KOY and AdNW, of which I personally prefer Bone. The biggest advantage of these is not the layout itself, as QUERTY is also available, but the higher layers bring the most benefit. The regularly used symbols become available in the three main rows with Caps Lock and # used as mods, while with \ and AltGr as mods you get a full navblock as well as a numpad in the main field. It also gets much easier to type things like ë in Dutch, with only 3 keystrokes instead of an arbitrary unicode on the numpad.
Q. If you just plug that keyboard into windows and press the W key. Do you get a W or a Z? If a W, What do the keyboard language settings in windows actually do?
@@lucidmoses Not exactly. The keyboard just passes the same scancodes regardless of what layout is on the keycaps. The computer interprets which scancodes correspond to what characters in the selected language. The keyboard itself has no idea what's on it.
@@Chyrosran22 A quick google shows UK keyboards still have the Z key where that W is. So if the scan codes are for the English Z and windows is set to UK, then I wounder how is it coming up with W?
You should fly to Tokyo and pick up a ton of old Japanese keyboards in the used electronics stores in Akihabara. Japanese still sell a lot of 70s and 80s used computers (one store owner told me a lot of legacy factory and medical systems are still in use...why change what works).
iirc the AZERTY layout was optimized to type French text (with its specific typography, which is quite different from English typography) on typewriters. It's still an very good layout for typing text. Programming, not so much. A lot of french programmers switch to US-related layouts to type code on a daily basis.
God. I'm one of your french fan, and I finally found a video of you talking about our trash azerty layout. Who the fuck designed this garbage ? And who the hell aproved it ? We don't know how much we suffer each day until we try a logical layout like ANSI.
So it looks like Groupe Bull was nationalized in 1982. Probably explains why they're not a major player in the tech world anymore. They seem to be like a Hollywood star who's more famous for dating or marrying A-listers than anything else. They've had relationships with Siemens, GE, Alcatel, Muammar Gaddaffi lol ...
Did you say "one point eighty two"??? Do you realise the 8 is tenths, and the 2 is hundredths? If anything it's "one point two hundred and eighty". But that's still wrong. It's "one point eight two".
Chyrosran22 one thing that would make a very interesting video would be a video dedicated on talking about keyboard keycaps fonts through the history of the peripheral. Never seen one about that.
The people who shitted this layout were the AFNOR, they are the French standards organization. As such, they do make a lot of legal and scientific documents, both of which make a lot of use of these 2 characters. Of course they never considered these would be useless for anyone else.
Actually no one likes AZERTY or thinks it makes any sense, including the French. "France's 100 year-old AZERTY keyboard - the equivalent of the English-language QWERTY - is to be reconfigured after the government ruled that it encourages bad writing. "The AZERTY set-up has infuriated generations of writers, because of labour-creating peculiarities like the need for two strokes to make full-stops and numerals. "But official ire is directed less at such inconveniences, and more at certain quirks and oversights which, it says, make it hard to construct proper French. "Today it is practically impossible to write French correctly using a keyboard that has been bought in France," the culture ministry intones. "More surprisingly, certain European countries like Germany and Spain respect French writing better than the French are able to - because their keyboards permit it!"
Honestly loving the french trolling going on. How many takes did it take? XD
Not many, I do it a lot IRL as well xD .
@@Chyrosran22 Alors, allez ! encore ! MOAR french claviers ! :-D
@@Chyrosran22 Ah, so you're a natural born troll I see.
"COTE DE BOEUF." But seriously, I use the french layout (Actually the Belgian variant, with a few differences that don't make much sense either.) everyday, and it's miserable to type french. We can't even type all the french letters with it.
@@Hrog_Eupb_Stkwepb no, I learned it in the UK, where I had about a dozen French colleagues :p .
My favorite is always the omelet du fromage key.
'Then he brought me a shoe with cheese on it and forced it down my throat'
That's aaaall you can say, that's aaaaallll you can say!
@@thesledgehammerblog man i feel sorry for some of the people that dont understand this reference. One of my favorite shows growing up.
Always loved how you made fun of Germans, but you making fun of the French is even better...
Needs to make fun of Italians (he did it once, but i need more), Spanish and Japanese too
BoyBalastog thats what you get for beign from the netherlands or Belguim xp
@@DVRC I could do a pretty decent Italian one, as I know several Italians. They didn't make too many keyboards, unfortunately. Moreso for the Spanish xD .
I fear a Japanese one could be considered offensive xD .
@Lassi Kinnunen I could do a decent Finnish one I reckon xD . One of my friends is Finnish, and I play a lot of Noita :p .
I'm japanese and I'll forgive you if you continue the keyboard reviews. Other might not be so forgiving though. I feel like others would get offended for us before we would though. What a world.
Omelette du fromage :D
Wow this is one of the best sounding ALPS to my ears. They are somewhat close to Salmon in terms of tone which I like.
Not surprising since they're basically clickless blues.
AZERTY layout is completely bonkers, I'm french from Canada and we use QWERTY layout!
So, il n'y a pas une omelette du fromage keycap sur ton keyboard? :P
The Canadian layout is even weirder, it's got É where ? goes xD .
Chyrosran22 and then you have the Belgian AZERTY layout
I had to suffer with that bs for 6 years until i got a decent gmmk keycapset
_uses Canadian bilingual keyboard_
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\backslashes everywhere\1
@@Chyrosran22 dunno about other French Canadian layouts, but mine has é right to the left of right shift
As an American software developer living in France I am often subjected to using this layout. Thank you for sharing my pain with the world.
First time seeing alps switches, I realized I used one when I was 6 at my uncles house. My father had an old model M with the shiny coiled cable.
Now I’m a 22 year old with a keyboard hobby, god I wish I remember how they felt.
@Zane Rickert He said he was at his uncles house when he used the alps, but his FATHER owned a model m
I see the Entrée key... but which one you you press for desserts? 😂
Also, those dashes are just that. The shorter one is an en dash, and the longer one is called an em dash.
The Entrée key is to summon the main course of the meal. Easy mistake.
Man, these switches are SKCM AF!
I thought the same exact thing!
As an American, it's great to finally see somebody else get meme'd on.
As a german, I agree.
As a fellow Freedomlander I agree 100%. The French keyboard layout is just batshit bonkers!!!
The french layout has a lot of similarities with the old italian layout, but unlike the french the italian one luckily never came to computers, it has been used just on typewriters and up until the late 90s on apple computers. As an Italian I don't know if I have to thank someone!
Wow Marco. Everything is clear to me now. That's why I have some remembrances of when I was a kid typing on first Mac 128k of middle '80s with the numbers to be shifted. Until now, before your clear reconstruction, I thought that numbers not enabled by default was a weird thing typical of the first apple Macintoshes, but reserved to Italian versions only, though.
As a french speaking Canadian, I can assure you his french translations are spot on. Too good man
GREAT! AL LEAST RUclips WORKS ON GIVING ME NOTIFICATIONS! Ready to see this video, as always. Thanks a lot.
Wow that sounds glorious... That's the sound of regret for me throwing out my childhood Alps board before I got into keyboards.
I'm in love with the color of the keycaps!!!
The logo is a fusion of both Bull logo and Zenith Data Systems logo. I think this keyboard was produced after the acquisition of Zenith Electronics by the Groupe Bull.
Even though I am French, I use a qwerty keyboard, because as you say the azerty layout is full of nonsense
It's the same Bull Group that bought out Zenith, right?
Yes, correct. The same logo is present on the later Zenith keyboards.
Underrated channel.
Yes it is. I've tried to get friends to have a look, but they think I'm crazy. (Well crazier than they already did)
Me: *trying to sleep*
My brain:
~ how you gonna do it?~
YOURE GONNA PS2 IT!
(WITH THE IBM PS2!)
(WITH THE IBM PS2!)
(NOW AVAILABLE AT IBM!)
Oh shit, I had that exact same situation some night about last fall and I ended up buying a vintage IBM ThinkPad at 4 in the morning xD
@@GenophefeElisabeth we all make mistakes in the heat of passion, jimbo
@@musicboi5271 Yeah, but why did they have to make this jingle so catchy?
hoooo i had one of these at school when i was a kid
good times.
and yea in french layout for number we use a lot the numpad
this is why they are not enabled in the main area.
hey chryro been watching your stuff for awhile now but ive never seen that tree logo at all till i found this 1996 zenith datasystems Z-note-GT its lid has that exact bull logo on it while the zenith data systems logo is on the side i pulled a keycap off the keyboard itself and it seems to have white sliders over rubber domes very odd seeing that on a laptop.
(this was typed on my 1995 AEKII white dampened alps (clicky modded) keyboard
Hahaha LOL the French names of the keys at 1:38 :D
to fix the fulty find ones with compatible switch plates out of orange or something cheap and not rare and use it to fix them
The AZERTY layout shares a lot of similarities with the old QZERTY italian layout (same M key on the right of the middle row for example)... still quite a bit more convoluted.
The french accent creeps me out lol.
Or "makes me sad", in imperial.
Are you ever going to take a look at Zealios v2? The force curves show that they are about twice as tactile as the v1's, though I can't comment on this myself as I never tried the v1's or ergo clears.
don't you feel icky touching something so yellowed?
Tree or green mushroom cloud?
Where can I get the keyboard from ur intro
Long ago I had a keyboard made by Bull that had the clicky mechanical switches and was very well made & heavy. Standard US layout; not French. All I can find are foreign or with mushy Alps switches.
Since Australia uses QWERTY can we get an Aussie accent next review?
"And this key is A DINGO ATE MY BABY"
I totally agree - modern keyboards need more *" Omelet du fromage"* keys.
clean asf review as always
The French; pointlessly changing things just so they are 'french' for 300 years and still going strong.
Well, AZERTY is not the only weird layout.
I have an Apple AEKII with the old italian layout taken from typewriters (QZERTY)
can you review a GameMax Strike Mechanical RGB keyboard
its one of those pretty cheap gaming keyboards (50 euro)
and i have one so i wanna see it bullied
I like the yellow keycaps but that case color is "slightly" too off-white :)
I kinda like the _μ_ key.
Often lazily, though understandably mistyped as "u"
If you are interested in new, more logical layouts, you may want to take a look at Neo, Bone, KOY and AdNW, of which I personally prefer Bone. The biggest advantage of these is not the layout itself, as QUERTY is also available, but the higher layers bring the most benefit. The regularly used symbols become available in the three main rows with Caps Lock and # used as mods, while with \ and AltGr as mods you get a full navblock as well as a numpad in the main field. It also gets much easier to type things like ë in Dutch, with only 3 keystrokes instead of an arbitrary unicode on the numpad.
how do you store your extra keyboard switches and keycaps?
In big divider boxes!
Hon hon hon! C'est magnifique!
The board looks pretty gnarly. I must ask though, did you type on this one for a full week? :P Oh and do you have any grey poupon?
No, I didn't; quite a few keys don't work.
EDIT: also don't have any poupon :p .
Well, the keyboard has the colour of an omelette ;)
Q. If you just plug that keyboard into windows and press the W key. Do you get a W or a Z?
If a W, What do the keyboard language settings in windows actually do?
I have my keyboard language set to UK so it outputs a W.
@@Chyrosran22 So presumably the keyboard moved the scan codes around.
@@lucidmoses Not exactly. The keyboard just passes the same scancodes regardless of what layout is on the keycaps. The computer interprets which scancodes correspond to what characters in the selected language. The keyboard itself has no idea what's on it.
@@Chyrosran22 A quick google shows UK keyboards still have the Z key where that W is. So if the scan codes are for the English Z and windows is set to UK, then I wounder how is it coming up with W?
@@lucidmoses I'm not sure what you mean, but UK boards are QWERTY.
You should fly to Tokyo and pick up a ton of old Japanese keyboards in the used electronics stores in Akihabara. Japanese still sell a lot of 70s and 80s used computers (one store owner told me a lot of legacy factory and medical systems are still in use...why change what works).
Thats a T H I C C B O I right there
I'd be very surprised if anyone laughed at Chyrosran saying that the French num lock key was short for cheese omelette
Big Bernard Renault energy on display
Wait...there's an undampened Cream Alps switch?!
Yes, and it makes the dampened one look like crap! ;) There's even a linear Cream switch!
Sacre Bleau! What a wonderfuuul review :-)
hmm, was there any evidence of dry lube on these switches?
Yes, there was.
I smelt omelette du fromage from the moment i read the vid title..... and I am far from disappointed
He should do the NeXT Non-ADB (AAE) keeb next! :)
very fantastique essai as usual.
hon hon hon
nice vid, Thomas
edit: keyboard color theme reminds me of a frog. go figure, huh?
I have to wonder if you could make a ghetto version of these using the regular cream leaf in another Alps switch like blacks
1:51 was literally "chocolate bar" and "omelette with cheese"
AZERTY OUAI OUAI MON CHOU. LMFAO (you Laughed My French Ass Off)
Should have taken French in school. What exactly did he say in French?? I’d love to know. xD
give me your money, give me your cheese, I give you my love and I turn on your heating.
You can barely see the cheese omelette light with that amount of yellowing!
Hey, it would be cool if you could do a review on the Geek gk64. If not, thats fine, just a recommendation :)
we say chocolatine, not pain au chocolat !
Really, your French is excellent.
The random French got me xD
I've always thought the French where a bit strange, and this keyboard just proves it even further. 😵
i love your french man say magnew feak
Je suis français et je regarde tes vidéos :)
This layout. What. And somehow there are French coders?
French coder here - i use a QWERTY layout (ISO UK).
Gargantuan-Posterior Insert
This man is the Gordon Ramsay of keyboards
I LOVE IT
iirc the AZERTY layout was optimized to type French text (with its specific typography, which is quite different from English typography) on typewriters.
It's still an very good layout for typing text. Programming, not so much. A lot of french programmers switch to US-related layouts to type code on a daily basis.
qwerty is really as arbitrary as azerty is
God. I'm one of your french fan, and I finally found a video of you talking about our trash azerty layout.
Who the fuck designed this garbage ? And who the hell aproved it ?
We don't know how much we suffer each day until we try a logical layout like ANSI.
5/10 not enough hon hon hon, tabarnac
So it looks like Groupe Bull was nationalized in 1982. Probably explains why they're not a major player in the tech world anymore. They seem to be like a Hollywood star who's more famous for dating or marrying A-listers than anything else. They've had relationships with Siemens, GE, Alcatel, Muammar Gaddaffi lol ...
Did you say "one point eighty two"???
Do you realise the 8 is tenths, and the 2 is hundredths? If anything it's "one point two hundred and eighty". But that's still wrong.
It's "one point eight two".
Glad to see the French aren't safe from Thomas' ridicule, either.
I didn’t FUCKING realize the layout until he pointed it and im so uncomfortable
Lol you tricked us into thinking it was a Razer Huntsman Mini review 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How could I review something I unboxed only days ago? :p
Chyrosran22 one thing that would make a very interesting video would be a video dedicated on talking about keyboard keycaps fonts through the history of the peripheral. Never seen one about that.
Omelette *au* fromage
Nope, we all know it's actually omelette du fromage ;p ruclips.net/video/2kArCRjT29w/видео.html
I don't think there'parents
I'll say it's skcm AF!
i'm sorry but YOU HAVE TO PRESS SHIFT TO DO A FULL STOP? thats mad, literally who presses semicolon more then period
People who write legal papers. These are the same who made this layout.
when you are early
Who needs a Mu on a keyboard or a § ?
The people who shitted this layout were the AFNOR, they are the French standards organization. As such, they do make a lot of legal and scientific documents, both of which make a lot of use of these 2 characters. Of course they never considered these would be useless for anyone else.
FAKE FRENCH KEYBOARD ALERT! The number keys in the top row are not shifted. (:
that french accent is raunchy as hell. stop it.
You mean "don't stop."
when you are early and people say first but when u think "WaTcH tHe ViDeO fIrSt"
Actually no one likes AZERTY or thinks it makes any sense, including the French.
"France's 100 year-old AZERTY keyboard - the equivalent of the English-language QWERTY - is to be reconfigured after the government ruled that it encourages bad writing.
"The AZERTY set-up has infuriated generations of writers, because of labour-creating peculiarities like the need for two strokes to make full-stops and numerals.
"But official ire is directed less at such inconveniences, and more at certain quirks and oversights which, it says, make it hard to construct proper French.
"Today it is practically impossible to write French correctly using a keyboard that has been bought in France," the culture ministry intones.
"More surprisingly, certain European countries like Germany and Spain respect French writing better than the French are able to - because their keyboards permit it!"
Just name one thing the French did well... you can't
Discovering oxygen. Popularizing Newtonian physics. Describing the "rules" of animal anatomy. Sophie Marceau. That's like four.
FiRsT!!!!111!!!1!1
Premier Is more appropriate
first
4th
That layout is a damn embarrassment to keyboards, WTF are you French people doing!?
french keyboard