Chicago's Radical Solution For Broken Tipping Culture
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- We dug into how American tipping culture got so broken, and the fight to fix it.
It turns out that your tips are subsidizing the payrolls of multi-billion dollar chains, while they pay their workers under minimum wage.
It's a system rooted in slavery, and pushed by a wealthy restaurant owners onto the rest of us.
But there's a growing movement to change it.
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it really is amazing just how many problems could be solved if we just made corporate lobbying illegal
it really is amazing just how many problems could be solved if we just made the welfare state illegal
Wouldn't help at all. They'd still do it, anyway, because they'd never be prosecuted.
Correction - there would be selective prosecution depending on the lobbying group / shifting winds / whether they lobbied $properly.
Y'all are economically illiterate, lol.
You'd have to make politicians illegal. Oh wait...
@@hlaw2830educate us
We need to abolish the idea of a "standard tip" altogether. Tipping should be something that you only do on the rare occasion when someone truly goes above and beyond, when they provide unexpectedly good service or take extra steps to make your experience pleasant. Otherwise, we aren't really changing the negative culture around tipping, we're just putting a higher price tag on the same bad idea.
No this is the order of things..
You can stay home and make soup or whatever you want and pay zero tip.
If you go out to eat you have to tip.
100%. If tipping is still expected, that money will be used to subsidize somehow. If someone in a high-end restaurant makes extra $20/hour, you can fully expect the owner take that into account when hiring. It’s like the video spent whole time saying how tipping doesn’t make sense but concluded tipping is great. 😅 (I fully get the issue with sub-minimum wage. The progress in Chicago is great. I am just saying it doesn’t solve a lot of the problem still)
@@thedevilsadvocate5210I don’t want to stay home or make soup, but I will also not tip for a crappy service. 😂🖕
@@ryanortiz2648servers don't have to serve you either.
@@ryanortiz2648
If all the service you get is crappy
do you think you might be a crappy customer?
The attitude of "You should tip at least $5 no matter what the service is." and "If you can't afford to tip you shouldn't go out to eat." has always amazed me.
I think the idea is that is American tbh
And they think that if your service is substandard, you should then give the owner a free business consultation.
@@RuthlessCarl Nah, it's a thing in Italy too and basically anywhere touristy.
As someone who does delivery driving, if you aren't going to tip, then go to Wal-Mart instead. The tip is your apology for having us cater to you instead of doing something actually rewarding (and no, I don't mean financially rewarding).
I did delivery driving and never expected an "apology". That sounds very entitled.
The idea some people even deserve a tip is ridiculous. The local self serve frozen yogurt shop had a tipping option at checkout... it's a self serve shop 👀 🤦♂️
Ya I have stopped tipping anyone but subminimum wage workers. This tip at Starbucks, the hairdresser (when it’s an owner/operator), the frikkin gas station, when getting take out, fast food… like I know these are low-paying jobs, but I cannot afford to subsidize EVERYONE’s low-paying income. Sorry, no.
Was the "option" placed there in order to categorize the staff as "tipped employees" and pay subminimum?
I would be offended, too! But I wonder. Is the job categorized as "tipped worker" in a state that has a tipped worker minimum wage? And are the workers aware that the employer must make up the difference between regular minimum wage and the tipped wage+tips?
@@bradleydawson9043 it probably wasn’t. This video is good and true but the recent craziness in tipping culture is in part due to the cashier apps that have swept the nation kept the tipping option on as a default. Business should have turned it off, but turning off a default is a completely different ballgame and they can’t be completely blamed.
Lmao I got to this video because someone posted it on an article about a self serving machine asking for tips
We should ban businesses not paying their employees a livable wage.
Cooperatives are run by and for members, and so they take care of their members better. Worker cooperatives also share profits so money is distributed more equally throughout society instead of having to be so heavily redistributed through government welfare and programs. Worker cooperatives don't want to sit around and wait for governments to raise the minimum wage they want to raise their own wages, and they often put a pay ratio cap in place.
Boycott, don't shop there
Preachh
@@WanderingExistencethe American Cast Iron Pipe company headquartered in Birmingham, Alabama, is an employee owned company. One of the founders left the company to the employees when he died. If I could move, I'd be living in Birmingham working for The American Cast Iron Pipe company.
@@stevechance150 That's cool! Thanks for sharing, I enjoy hearing about different co-operatives!
Nobody's job should require the generosity of others as a form of income. You showed up and did the work so you should be paid.
Strippers and buskers both live on the generosity of others.
@@DAndyLord
They certainly aren't the only ones. The majority of tipped service jobs wouldn't be worth doing without tips. Not even if they massively increased the base wage.
@gabrielsatter then how does the service industry operates literally everywhere outside of US? if its not worth it then why when i go to a vacation to Italy or Poland I get to a restaurant and i dint see a crappy jar "TIPS" are u telling me there are slaves? or what?
@@tomaszwida
Because they don't know any better, Tom. This isn't rocket science. If US servers went from making middle class wage to lower middle class wage, they'd find less stressful work. It would take a generation to recover. For people to forget.
So basically we are paying a useless lobby to be a burden on Americans and they do nothing to help aid the fda at least the nra does a bit to help our military because without it our military could start to see wear which is important we dont show in our military so in alot of sensei respect the act of having a strong military vs these morons attacking our military but any rational thinking adult would come to this conclusion vs a child raging at the world
As a non-American, this is probably one of the most genuinely confusing and bonkers aspects of the society, along with healthcare.
Nothing's confusing about America when you learn just how much influence corporations have. What is confusing, actually, is the number of things that haven't yet been ruined by corporations. I'm shocked that public libraries are doing as well as they are. If you asked me to extrapolate from 1980 I would assume they were already shuttered by now and turned into coffeeshop chains.
@@SigFigNewton You mean the elites versus everyone else.
But the average American fails to grasp this concept.
And, I thought Americans were supposed to be the judgmental ones
The f thing is that some places are (illegally) forcing that here in Brazil. Importing shit
@@SigFigNewtonTRUTH
So I went to a self order kiosk to order and waited to pick up my food. Literally no human interaction and they asked for a 15%, 20% OR 25% TIP. I had to mess around the kiosk to find the 0% tip option! This is getting extremely out of hand.
This even happened to me in a Burger King in Germany, where tipping is quite uncommon in fast food restaurants. I've decided for myself that I'll always tip 0% if I'm "forced" to tip and it's more than a simple "Do you want to tip? Insert amount here".
People are still doing the work. There's not much difference between tipping for a person to take down the order and tipping just for the food preparation.Tipping at a self-order kiosk isn't any more ridiculous than tipping at most fastfood joints.
This is just because it is built into the point of sale software. Its not tailored to an individual business its just built for all business. Its not like the owner or the employees put it in there to be greedy, its just built in.
It would be like if they built in a way to order condiments for the restaurant, they would have a button for ketchup at a Chinese food place and one for soy sauce at a burger place just because they are listing all possible options.
I don't understand how people can't just think for a moment and realize this and just go straight to complaining
tipping only "sucks" because it's gone from a decent gesture, to becoming a subsidy for greedy pieces of trash to rationalize paying their service workers a decent wage.
Exactly!
Bingo. The rich biz owners should just pay their workers properly END OF STORY. If you're a shop owner who thinks the way it is right now is fine, then you're a scum bag and I hope you drown in the ocean or something lolz.
My last boss was a pos when I waited tables. I hated that scum bag. Guess what? Covid killed him a year or so ago. Fun story lol : )
sounds like you got the point of the video ;P
when was it not that tho?..
"...rationalize NOT paying their services workers a decent wage."
"If you can't afford to pay your employees a fair wage, you're *not good* at doing business" - Me, since forever
Well the government says it's a fair wage and the employees agree its a fair wage by applying for and accepting the job and staying.
@@SgtJoeSmith "$2 an hour is better than $0 an hour. Therefore everyone who doesn't just quit must be perfectly happy with those wages." Bro, think for a nanosecond.
@@SgtJoeSmith lobbyists pay the government to say that. That is the real issue.
Or maybe we have a government that is not good at doing business since taxes and fees eat up so much profit for restaurants and their customers. There shouldn't even BE a tax on food.
@@chillwill5080Yep, the tried and true "reduce taxes arbitrarily". It always works, and definitely fixes real problems. Blaming the invented "inefficiency" of the government in such an unrelated problem is pretty hilarious, I must say.
Veterinarians expect tips? WTF?! After spending nearly $1000 I'm expected to tip?! Man, this got me screaming so hard corn is flying outta my mouth right now!
It's like an attorney making $400,000 a year putting out a tip jar. There's no end of it. This insanity is where the restaurant owner "trickle down" wage theft faction lobby has "logically" taken this country.
What's really out of control is AUTOMATIC tipping.
and the guilt tripping of waiters instead of looking at the actual root of their low wage problem - their greedy or lobby complacent employer
Wow, imagine living in a country where the price advertised is the price you pay, and staff get paid by their employers.
Basically anywhere besides USA.
Ever been to Mexico? Germany for Oktoberfest? It’s not just the US
@@AtactHDcan you expand on Mexico and Germany?
@@kiradotee mexico you’re expected to tip in the touristy areas. In germany during Oktoberfest you literally won’t be served unless you tip.
@@AtactHDthere's no "Octoberfest in Germany". There is Octoberfest in a particular small area in Munich. And it lasts for about 2 weeks. Taking that small case as some sort of example of the tipping culture in Germany as a whole is ridiculous.
Finally, you're even wrong about it being universal in Octoberfest. Here's a quote from their website:
"Within Oktoberfest grounds, it varies. If you’ve got reservations and vouchers, the tip is sometimes included. In this case you do not need to give extra tip, or just if you think the service was extraordinary. If tip is not included, the waitress will tell you what the tip is. In fact, it’s not really a tip - it’s more like a “service fee”. It should be not more than 10 to 15% of the beer or food price. And yes, giving a bit of extra tip will ensure that the waitress will always serve you in time and in quality."
Compare that to the semiobligatory 20% tip in all US restaurants.
I have no problem with the tipping culture that is based on the idea that if you got extraordinarily good service, you reward that to the waiter and that's how it works in the rest of the world but tipping in the US is something else completely.
@@kiradotee Germany do tips (your fault, US) but also pay their workers decently (compared to US)
while in Japan, you are not expected to tip, in fact they would prefer that you pay exactly as much as asked.
and in Czech republic, there is a place where waiter asks for tips, I wont go there again.
You had me right till the end. If we're going to tip on-top of a min-wage, then you either need to accept way lower tips, or just forgo them completely. Its a very mixed message to send to suggest we should keep tipping, while calling it for what it is, a way to pay these employees less than they're worth. Either pay them what they're worth, or keep tipping. And I dont think we should keep tipping.
yup
Yah, good point. I was just wondering about that. They confused me as well.
I find it strange that California pays waiters regular minimum wage, yet waiters there also expect 25-35% tips. I remember tipping 22% at a Chili’s and the waiter asked if I thought he did a bad job. I said no, and he asked why I only tipped 22%. 22% is a VERY GOOD TIP anywhere else!!
That is the person's fault, they just arent aware of the other perspective it seems
Lol that’s funny. I always tip 15%
I’ve lived in California all my life and I’ve never encountered something like that
It is against most restaurant policies, including Chilis, to discuss your tip income with anybody at work other than the manager. You should have talked to the manager.
The cost of living in California is pretty high also.
It starts off with someone wanting to do something nice and it ends with companies taking full advantage of it. Even though I feel bad sometimes, I had to set rules for myself.
No good deed goes unexploited
Not really. If a tipped employee doesn't earn enough in tips (combined with their wage) to equal minimum wage, the employer is responsible for paying them the difference to ensure they earn at least minimum wage. In the food, beverage and entertainment industries, the tipped employees such as bartenders and waiters earn WAAAAAY more than the non-tipped employees, even if the non-tipped employees get paid more in their wage from the employer. I used to be a bartender at a casino. The best year I ever had I made $90,000 (only $15,000 of that was my actual pay from my employer), and this was in the mid-2000s. It wasn't uncommon for the bartenders to go home with $2,000 cash in tips after a Friday/Saturday night shift, especially if there was some big event. Executive Chef was paid $45,000/year, and the CEO was only paid $110,000.... There were blackjack dealers that were doing well in excess of $150,000/year.
@@jeremyrangel8138not sure what your point is. What are corporations going to say? “Oh actually we only need you to tip this McDonald’s worker and this barista but you can stop tipping the bartenders after July 1st because by then they have enough yearly income, so just make sure you keep tipping the baristas now” You’re describing an externality of the problem that happens to be positive for a few people.
@@stevencats7137 My point is that you shouldn't feel bad for tipped employees. I eat out at least twice a week and I haven't tipped in at least a couple years.
Like some aristocrat started it, and it being forced on common folks.
If a business cannot afford to pay its workers properly, then their business model is flawed.
capitialism is flawed. now everyone has to compete with prices set by megacorporations, and if you cant compete with the, you die (which is what they want, because all corporations are inherently anti-competitive, ie anti-capitalism)
Who decides what's proper?
Agreed. The better version of society is one where all workers make at least a living wage. Any business that can't pay that is not a business that society should abide.
They can afford it, but they still won't.
@@JeffCaplan313Government determines the proper minimum wage.
We recently had dinner at a place in Birmingham AL. They eliminated tipping entirely and priced the food accordingly. Workers had a stable income, and the consumer was never guilted into a massive tip. Wasn’t even an option on the bill.
that's how it works in many parts of the world. i live in east asia and in restaurants, they charge a 10% service charge. i don't know who gets the $ but the servers there are properly compensated. if i really like the service and feel like tipping, my tip will be pooled with all other tips and be split among the staffs. this is much fairer and no server is just serving one table. i can ask anyone in the restaurant to help me.
@@mlsi2499 Why even have the 10% service charge. That is just a forced tip. So there is still tipping. Just price the food accordingly.
There should be no service fee. Just put everything into the food price.
Did you get good service?
if you bought a $10 sandwich are you saying you couldn't leave a massive $1.50 tip?
Two decades ago, I was told "If you cannot afford a tip then you cannot afford to eat out." So, I cut back on eating out, preferring to cook what I want just how I like it and I save money! That savings allowed me to upgrade my house to one with a big yard where I entertain.
Not eating out allowed me to buy a better house and I can entertain at home.
Now tip jars are appearing everywhere cash is exchanged: even at convenience stores, bodegas and other small retail outlets. Also more & more shops are going 'cashless' using that iPad system that makes it inconvenient not to tip a cashier!
I went into a San Francisco coffee shop, grabbed a bottle of cold water out of the bin, scanned it myself and had to go through the iPad menu for 'No Tip' - It was appropriate: the employee literally did nothing (no greeting nor smile). The kicker? The default tip was 25%.
Now that you're cooking and entertaining guests at your home, maybe you should put out a tip jar so your guests can help pay for your generosity. (just kidding! lol)
without politics, that is my experience, brother. When this is all over, we will still be forced to give a tip, AFTER the businesses raise their wages.
A lot of people will feel guilty about removing it, and they know that!
@@kinky_Z LOLOL Reminds me, though, of stories I heard where people invited to a wedding were expected to pay a fee for their dinner. Different subject, but similar craziness.
I'm sorry to hear than in USA if you can't afford to tip you are given the impression you can't afford to eat out. I live in Australia. I "tip" 50c in a $4.50 spend about one day a week when I buy coffee from a $5 note.
10%,
20% of the time.
(2% of my coffee spend overall)
This is happening in Canada too, and it’s absolutely getting out of hand!
There are one or two restaurants in town that have signs saying that they are fair wage employers and that tips are not expected, which is why the prices are higher. I like that transparency and am 100% behind that! 😀
Tips aren’t only biased in their origins; they still reflect today’s biases. Research shows that women get tipped more than men, especially women who look physically fit, whereas people of colour and people with non-local accents get tipped less. Extroverts get tipped more than introverts. Tipping furthers racism, sexism, and corporate greed, and it has to stop!
There are some entrepreneurs, like cab drivers and hairstylists, who can’t give themselves a living wage, which is a bit different. But overall, I’m training myself to be okay with not tipping. Maybe if we all stop, we might be able to send a message that we want fairness in both pricing and wages.
All you say are true. I'm caucasian male french waiter. if i win 1200€ and have 100€ of tip. Girls (and for beautiful more) win 400€ of tip.... sometime with less work beecose talking with customer take time...
Lol. What you're ignorant of or deliberately ignoring is that the majority of minorities and immigrants work within their own communities. They aren't tipping each other.
Exactly. I'll gladly pay the real price that I know upfront and is consistent to know the real legitimate consistent wages are being paid across ENTIRE staff, appearance notwithstanding, who together makes this good and service possible, wherever I go. I do this at the grocery store. I do this at the car mechanic. But yet the "trickle down" fake "restaurant" lobby claims they're "totally different" and "exceptional" so everyone must be confused on what the prices are by these "trickle down" orchestrating this nonsense.
The "tipping" is too often a scheme of "trickle down" mafia fake "restaurant" owner selling not food but pride and arrogance to insecure and aristocratic and superficial even lascivious mentality in desperate need of feeling like big shots. But the reality is everyone else in society pays for perpetuating this vanity.
I live in downtown Toronto and have started to see all sorts of debit machines ask for a tip. It's ridiculous.
NO! Abolish tipping altogether! If anyone gets tips, everyone gets tips. Your mechanic, the convenience store clerk, the customer support rep on the phone, the retail stock person, EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE!!! If you don't want to tip everyone for everything then don't tip anyone for anything. Otherwise, this NEVER changes!
"Everyone needs a fair living wage"
"Now that we are getting that, you should also keep tipping us"
I tip well the rare times I do dine out, my mother was a server and I was for a spell as well, but tipping is only good in rare circumstances. I would happily accept everyone getting a fair wage, and then I'd stop tipping
Yeah. This video seemed odd to me. Increase wages from $2.13 to $15.85 AND still force customers to pay a 20-25% tip TOO. The restaurants have to increase the price of food to cover the higher pay and the customer has to paid an additional 20-25% on that increase. That fixed what?
I stopped going to restaurants, even takeout, 6 years ago. Don't miss it and sure not planning to return.
@MrWaterbugdesign Cooking has such a deep and satisfying pleasure to it, especially over time as you improve with experience
I know right ? This doesn’t fix tipping culture! At all
@@MrWaterbugdesignYou don't pay a 20-25% tip when the worker is paid a fair wage. Tip less, and only if you think service was above standard. At least, that's how it's done everywhere else in the world and no one is complaining.
As a customer, I see tipping as a form of blackmail. If you don't tip and they recognize you next time, you'll get bad service or sometimes contaminated food.
Don't victimize yourself, just leave a tip like an adult.
Don't victimize yourself, just leave a tip like a compliant npc.
@@andrer4046thats the problem
--- THEN GET A PLEASANT PERSONALITY . . . that does not communicate contempt to the waitress or the waiter, and they shan't poison you. Low wages are the problem, and your bad manners are the aggravation, so their "poisoning" you is the ethically correct thing to do, when people like you want SOMETHING for nothing. Get yerself a legal dictionary and read the definition of "blackmail".
If the service is so bad that I dont tip, I dont return.
Around me the trend has become to add a service fee as % of the total - I've seen anywhere from 4 to 25%! There's always a note saying that it's for wait staff benefits and is not to be confused for a gratuity/tip, which they expect on top of this fee. This has made eating at some restaurants overly expensive under the excuse that it allows them to give their staff things that should already be part of their employment package. The thing that really get's me about the tipped minimum is that owners could absolutely pay their wait staff a regular wage but use that as an excuse to not. It's all excuses. I'm pretty over it.
That practice has spread to the UK, I hate it. Just put the actual prices on the menu, don't hit me with an additional 15% later.
Usually when I see that on receipts, you're not expected to tip more.
Tipping takes business risk and puts it on the shoulders of the employees without the employees being able to participate on the upside fully. In 2013 I opened a non-tipping restaurant in Newport, Ky. (Greater Cincinnati). The servers were guaranteed $12 per hour but their compensation was based on 20% of sales. This cost was included in the price of the food. This was explained to guests who continued to tip, just at lower percentages. Ultimately this made a lot of sense. the average hourly rate for servers in the restaurant was over $20 per hour. Basically, the servers participated in the success of the restaurant. Unfortuanately COVID closed our doors and we never re-opened because we could not continue to compensate tipped employees at the levels they had been accustom due to lower tipped rates in the state
Only decent comment I've seen so far. Very interesting.
Sorry about your restaurant. Government overreach was the issue and here are some of my solutions during any government Plandemic shutdowns:
No pay or back for all elected officials or unemployment government workers.
1/2 pay for any government employees still working.
So called winners like Amazon will subsidize all business forced to shut down via a Plandemic Tax.
I'd love to work there 20% and 12 dollars an hour and I still get tips bet they were making like 40+ an hour
So your model did not work in the end. I did not get the particulars why employees left... but they left... because they were not being paid enough.
Ever since this new wave of tipping came about, I just stopped spending money. I'm not tipping 20% for gas station coke, or 30% for a meal. It's ridiculous
Same. Let it all come crashing down
Tipping is only for services like a waiter at a diner, or a bellhop in a hotel carrying your luggage. It's not for takeout or going to a cash register and buying only to seat yourself. They're not serving you there, you're serving yourself. It's okay and expected to give a 0% tip.
same here, I don't give shit other then waiters/waitresses that actually work and serve me in a restaurant, and even then I'd rather their employer pay them a livable wage then to expect it out of me to pay their employees
@@Danielle_1234 Well said Danielle
@@Danielle_1234I think the issue (and I'm not disagreeing with you at all!) is that people know this, but can feel really pressured when they're paying for something and are unexpectedly confronted with that tip screen.
When a service worker is watching you insert your card and decline to tip, it can make you feel scummy, even though you know you don't need to tip. It's a psychological thing and it sucks. I'm just more likely to not spend money at all than have to deal with that spike in anxiety.
This video does a good job of addressing the history of why there's a sub-minimum tipping wage in the restaurant industry and why that wage hasn't increased in decades. On the other hand, it doesn't address at all the virus-like expansion of prompts to tip at other businesses where people are paid a minimum or higher wage.
Exactly my thoughts, I was waiting for the video to explain what is being done to address the pit-less tipping culture, but then the video ended... I'm all for restaurant workers getting a fair pay. Heck, I'm actually not even against tipping if it was like 10% and not getting prompted everywhere I present my credit card. It's just really getting out of control in this country especially in the last year or two.
"tipping" ought to be outright banned
I was beginning to believe I was the only one that does this, but from the look of those statistics showing higher wages actually increases profit, it sounds like it may be much more common:
Tip culture has always been so bad that I actively avoid going to eat at restaurants because I am simply not willing to pay workers' wages for the employers. Tipping should never be a requirement or even an expectation, and the culture surrounding it impacts me in such a direct way when I interact with it that I simply will not get involved in it. I will happily go to restaurants again when they pay their employees at least minimum wage, but until then, I'm happy just eating at home
Same I avoid going to restaurants. Problem is my partner LOVES to eat out
Same. I'll avoid going to a sit-down restaurant just because I know I'll need to leave a tip. So I'll end up just going to a fast food place to avoid the tip.
You're effectively paying the workers' wages whether the restaurant uses a tipping or no-tipping model. However I agree that one of the better ways to fight this is to simply avoid any business that accepts tips.
I worked in foodservice when I was younger, as one of these tipped workers. Nowadays I almost never dine in due to the tipping culture, the mind games have turned me off restaurants in America altogether. Good to see it's starting to change, will try to help push for it here too!
On top of all this, tipping creates a stressful experience for the customer and often acts as a deterrent to eating out or spending money at restaurants at all
That's more or less why I don't eat out anymore. I hate tipping culture. This video stating that they want tips on top of their standard minimum wage really annoys me. Tipping should be eliminated entirely like other countries. Force these greedy restaurant corporations to pay their workers properly and stop expecting the customer to add anything else beyond the price on the menu. Sure it might feel nice to tip if someone does a good job but I hate the obligation to do so.
I have stopped using businesses with tip jars, tip screens and sit down restaurants in the past several years. If I could figure out how to do my own nails nicely, I would, but I have a nail that has a crack that bleeds whenever it's bumped so I HAVE TO deal with that single tip screen every few weeks. I'm done with the tip culture and with the exception of my nails, trained myself to diy the other tipped services in my life. So I'm one less source of income for those businesses.
I hate the tipping experience , so I completely avoid getting in transactions that will lead to tipping , like I order my food at a restaurant and I go pick it up avoiding any tips
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz This is something I think is kind of interesting. Eating out at restaurants is a luxury, but it's also not really been the standard for most of history that one person should work a full time job and do their own cooking as well. Gendered divisions of labor, communal ovens and giant stews, even going back to Rome - fire safety meant it was impossible for everyone living densely in the ancient era to have their own kitchen, so street carts and communal spaces were the norm. The level of atomized, self-sufficient labor the modern era expects from all of us is a ton! Eating out is a luxury now, but I think maybe it shouldn't be, that there should be ways for it to be a more normal, less profit-extracting thing for communities.
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz I was thinking more along the lines of break-even public cafeterias? Which would still require people working there, maybe more efficient because of scale. Still, I don't think all restaurants would go away! It would more just be an option for food that doesn't involve individuals doing all their own cooking or paying the luxury price of corporate profit margins.
I’ve lived in three of the seven states that require tipped employees to be paid the full minimum wage. There are endless great restaurants in Minnesota, California and Washington.
Love u man!
Oregon is the same, thankfully! But it isn't enough. They can take our tips AFTER they start paying us what we are worth. Sound stupid? Yeah. Because it's never gonna happen.
Yes but their minimum wages are still too low
25/hr minimum
Seattle, LA and Minneapolis are three of the greatest food cities in the world!!!
@@melissasmess2773waahh wah wah
Meanwhile, in Canada : Workers get paid full minimum wage... and the 'select tip amount' starts at 20%. Sometimes, tips are even auto applied, so they can't be refused. I go to a restaurant for a $20 meal, and after tip might find the bill at $35. That's why I only go on special occasions... like when work gives all the workers a $30 gift card for a restaurant. They'd rather send us, than take us. I'd rather just get it as a grocery gift card.
True, the tipping is broken beyond control
lol, just don't tip! they can't do anything to you!!!
I know, right?!
I got a $50 grocery card last year. Went to Publix and got the biggest turkey they had for thanksgiving. I agree that is the way to go.
@@R0168 Kind of hard to not tip when it auto applies a set amount (was 15% at that place), or doesn't allow you to opt out.
Real Encounter I had...
Machine : Tip Options | 20% | 30% | 40% | Custom
Me : Custom > 0%
Machine : Error. 0 is not valid.
Me : no decimals... blegh. Fine, 1%... and I'll never return.
Machine : Accepted.
I wish everyone could travel overseas to see how it SHOULD be. When I lived in Japan recently, one of the best things was going to a
restaurant and seeing the price on the menu and knowing that’s what it would cost to walk out of the restaurant. No tax, no tips, and all workers made a livable wage.
~Trav
Exactly
Tax is included in the price on menu in many other countries. That's why you don't notice that you are paying for the tax.
On the other hand, The price in America, Tax is excluded.
Excluding the price of tax to show it less expensive is illegal in South Korea.
Diners would choose their menu and calculate how much they have to pay when they're on the way out of the door, it can't be pairing up easily.
Eating out price in the U.S. is way more expensive than any other countries though.
@estherpark4889 exactly. In U.S. the businesses don't have to show the tax on anything. It's sad really. We pay a lot in sales taxes and it's especially regressive on low incomes. Not showing the tax makes everything look less expensive than it really is.
Corporations need to start paying their associates a livable wage. In Europe, it's considered an insult to tip, because it assumes the employer doesn't take care of their employees. What a concept!
💯. I was in France in 2013, and that's what our waiter told my brother when he tried to tip him!
idk which part was that in Europe, but in Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands, tipping is NOT an insult, but tipping is NOT a must like in the US. It IS highly unusual in Japan though, to the point they might just chase you down to give back the tips (I haven’t been to Japan, I only heard or seen this from other youtube videos that seem to be reputable)
We tip usually to round things up, e.g. bill is €32.90 for the food and drinks (already with taxes, unlike some parts of the US) so we either round it up to €34 or €35. They get to take home the difference. And that's why in Germany we call them, "Trinkgeld" which is literally, "Drinking money" like to get a cup of coffee or ice cream.
EDIT: I retract my sentence about Japan of there being an insult. Thanks @ZarlanTheGreen for the correction.
No, I grew up in France, and saw my dad tip in restaurants many times. But it’d be for very good service, and never the high amounts or percentages of the US. Typically it’d be part or all of the change, often a couple of Francs, so like 50 cents of a Euro. It’s called “pourboire”, literally “todrink”-not “topayrent-andfeedyourself” lol; so it’s a form of praise or thanks, never an obligation or expectation.
When I waited tables, customers often left tips, and they made my day :) The work is hard, and even with full pay, it feels very rewarding that people would think my performance was worth the extra buck or two.
My mother used to tip contractors coming to take care of our heating system etc. Never was refused. After she passed away, I tried to tip the guy who restored the bathroom tiles, but he flat-out rejected it. Maybe his Portuguese background? 🤷🏻♀️ I hope he didn’t take it badly…
So yeah it can be very touchy and confusing. But tipping is on the decline even here.
Edit: when I worked in clothing retail, an American customer tried to tip me at the payment counter. I appreciated the intention, but had to tell him that we didn’t accept tips at all, as part of company policy. I think it’s a corruption-prevention thing? Anyway I find it wild that Americans would think it normal to tip everywhere they go. 😮
In Australia it's not an insult but it is weird if you offer a tip since no one does tips.
that’s only true in some countries. most people (especially now) won’t say no to a little extra
It's shocking to me when I hear restaurants complaining about not having people interested in working for them. I wonder why that is...🤔
Generally that is non tipped employees they are short, and is the result of our clown in office insisting people get paid more to stay at home than to go back to work. Even after substantial wage increases, people often would lose money going back to work, and got used to staying at home doing nothing.
That only happens all the time at poorly run restaurants. Well run restaurants have dedicated quality front staff which get paid well with high tipping amounts every week. If tip pay is low or if restaurant is a working nightmare, then indeed employees will not work under bad conditions and work at other places.
@@xerideahow is Biden insisting or even influencing this? The mass wave of work from home began under Trump, who failed at his response to COVID.
Also, what does this have to do with restaurants?😂
Probably because young people are all lazy beloruchki with hyperinflated senses of self-worth.
Yep. I saw a post by a restaurant owner who concluded that the *only* reason they couldn't find enough staff was cause people didn't want to work and had super high standards. What were they offering? Oh yeah, minimum tipped wage, no benefits and a whole two weeks unpaid leave per year for a full time job. Like oh yeah, I can't imagine why no one wants to work for you. The restaurant across the street from them had booming business and a full staff because they started at $20/hour, three weeks paid leave and health insurance.
I was a new immigrant back in the early 90's .
I remember I was paying a dinner for 16 people, the staff at Olive Garden in Ca didn't let me pay the bill or decide the tip amount arguing about the tip percentage.
Instead they took my card and did everything themself (charging whatever they wanted ) taking advantage of my confusion and limited inglish .
I don't remember how much I was overcharged, but I felt like I was robbed around the corner of a dark alley ...
They do that to everybody in many restaurants. Tables of over 6 or 8 people get charged a mandatory additional gratuity of 20%. When they do this, don't leave an additional tip.
When I was young, people were happy with a 10% tip for good service, but the service had to be at least reasonably good. Then we allowed that to grow to 15% and that was even for poor service and a few years later to 20%. Ouch. People are now trying to get us to pay 25% or even 30%. This is way out of control.
Before Seattle started moving up to $15.00/hr (it's $18.69 now), there were predictions of restaurant Armageddon. In Washington State, tipped workers get the same minimum as everybody else. The restaurant Armageddon didn't happen. At the end of the transition period there were more restaurants than ever. It was all just scare tactics. Conservatives then tried to argue that Seattle is some sort of freak place and the same thing wouldn't happen elsewhere.
Funny thing, when people have more money they spend it. It's better for everybody. Henry Ford had that figured out a century ago, but so many business owners just don't get it.
they do get it. But if you have more money, then you also have more power. Power to leave your job if you are victim to sexually harassment (from either your boss or customer). Or if you just hate your job etc.
And if you have more power, then they have less power over you. For the uber rich, having a bit more or less money have no meaning, but have more power over other people. Now that is worth something
Yeah, pitting workers against customers is particularly ironic because the vast majority of customers are workers. Pay workers better and I bet even the capitalists at the top make more, but it threatens their power if their workers aren't constantly exhausted from working long hours to make ends meet.
Yeah, smart people just stopped tipping
So basically we are paying a useless lobby to be a burden on Americans and they do nothing to help aid the fda at least the nra does a bit to help our military because without it our military could start to see wear which is important we dont show in our military so in alot of sensei respect the act of having a strong military vs these morons attacking our military but any rational thinking adult would come to this conclusion vs a child raging at the world
all conservative viewpoints are just the opposite of whatever liberals want. they don't care about anything except scaring you into voting for them.
I made an online order for CARRYOUT at Cheddar's recently; my son and I ordered what we wanted and when I was looking at the total, it was more than I expected. I quickly realized that they had added a large tip for carryout!! Like $18!! I said NO and took it off. The nerve!
What are you arguing for here? If you want to get rid of tipping you won't be able to cheap out AND eat the food.
@@seananderson127 I don't like tipping for a carryout order, that's what I'm griping about. Everyone is trying to get tips nowadays.
I’m not tipping for carry out order till I get a discount for gas and wear and tear on my vehicle.
The waiters have to put together carry out orders. They have to take your order over the phone. They have to stop what they are doing and cash you out. If people stop tipping in carry out orders I’ll start ignoring the phone.
@@benjaminr8961 maybe the kitchen staff should do that we did at a restaurant I worked at.
It’s gotten way out of hand in Minneapolis…a cheese/grocery shop attached to a liquor store (Surdyk’s) has a tipping option (& I bagged my own groceries), mandatory 5% “health & wellness for employees” added to bills that “aren’t considered part of gratuity,” fast casual places where I’m “bussing” my own table.
Most business managers are terrified of changing their business model at all. This is them trying.
If I went there and they refused to take off the "health and wellness" thing, I'd just say, "That's the tip" and leave nothing else. And then never go back there. Ridiculous.
So ironic they charge the customer for "health and wellness" of the employee, then not actually give them health insurance.
I work in a role where tipping is not required nor experienced, but sometimes offered. After people were back out after the pandemic the friendly tipping went through the roof for two years. Then due to the fact that everyone was begging for tips 18% or higher, the tips I was receiving practically dried up.
I've traveled across the world...and in most other countries, people are _offended_ if you offer them a tip, because they view it as bribery. It's fitting that the US, where bribery of our public officials is not only done openly, but has been codified as legal under the name "lobbying," also makes it legal to pay people less, so long as they get bribes instead of a regular wage. Hot take: maybe we should make **all** forms of bribery illegal?
Except it's not bribery to offer someone pay to service your needs if that's the only way they actually get paid. It's one thing when our officials are bribed, considering they're paid a VERY NICE wage already. For them, it actually is "extra" pay. When you tip a server, it ain't bribery... it's empathy!
@@Salsuero I agree, and I always tip service people helping me well, because I've been there and worked for tips before. The point is that we shouldn't have to - these are people busting their asses working a very difficult job, and we as a society have decided it's just fine to pay them next to nothing and leave their compensation up to the whims of the customer. Don't tell me it's about "motivating then to do a good job" either - I worked for a brief time at a high end restaurant, where meals usually started around $100 a plate and only went up from there. I distinctly remember a table of 10 people I busted my ass for - my boss even stated later when I asked I probably couldn't have done anything better - the total tab was over $2000. My tip? $10. For almost two hours of taking care of all their needs, $10...most likely because I'm a guy. That same place, my good looking female counterparts regularly told me they had tips in the hundreds for bigger tables, and I never even had a single one over $100. I don't blame them, these are just examples of how fked up the whole system of culturally acceptable bribery is.
@@CyphDragonI'm concerned why such a high-end restaurant wouldn't have an 18% or better minimum mandatory tip for such a large group. That would've been a huge red flag for me working there to begin with, but that's totally besides the point. But it's not bribery. It's wage theft reconciliation. That better?
@@Salsuero you've obviously never worked high end places before. "Mandatory gratuities" aren't actually mandatory. It has to be manually entered, because the system doesn't know how many people are actually in the party...this is VERY common in the restaurant community, and well known by people that have actually worked in the industry. That place had a policy that applying that "grat" required the manager's approval, and my manager was nowhere around when they started demanding the bill. I was young and stupid at the time, so didn't try hunting my manager down.
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As far as your attempts to relabel it, they aren't going to work on me. It's bribery. Once you realize that's where it comes from, and start calling it what it is, it makes it a LOT harder to justify. Once you get past justifying the practice, then it's easy to realize it needs to stop, and we as a society need to hold restaurant owners to the same wage standards as every other business. Tipping is legalized, socially acceptable bribery.
@@CyphDragonexcept that every place I've ever eaten at with a large group told us we would be paying a mandatory gratuity. And we paid it. Sure, you could probably argue your way out of it... but it's a pretty big dick move to do and wouldn't go unnoticed. So I don't buy it, sorry. Manager not around... making my point... because again, I've never had an issue paying that mandatory gratuity that was ON MY BILL before I paid it. Sorry, not an excuse. If it is... look at where you work.
Bribery. Call it whatever you want. You're just an ignorant prick, so what do I care? I have ZERO problem tipping people and I don't consider it a bribe when someone tips me since I would be pretty damn poor without it. You're just bitter and petty. But I do hope that takes you far in the world. Agree we should make them pay more... a lot more... but gimme a break. Tips are democratic. You wanna ban me from showing appreciation, get out of here!
"Expected” tipping needs to go away and be replaced with a real salary, the IRS needs to drop the tax on "expected tips", and tips should become a true reflection of "I appreciate that you gave me above average quality of service"... like it is done in many countries!!!
From Italy.
No tips in bars and the like, most restaurants have a tip jar but never in my (long) live I've been prompted for a tip.
Have I not tipped ever? On the contrary, I've tipped a DISCRETIONARY amount of money sooo many times.
The keyword is DISCRETIONARY.
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Side note: here 10% is a deemed a very generous amount.
@@giacomoboffi9394 Exactly, and those employees are paid a decent salary. The problem in the US is that businessmen are too used to exploiting their employees, and the laws are so loose that they can hire illegal immigrants for even less than normal without having to worry about consequences... which is why we have such an illegal immigrant crisis, the illegals know that if they cross the border they will find jobs, even without papers.
Exactly
I’m an Australian who visits America a fair bit. It’s all to confusing for me and just never eat at restaurants. I am just one of many Australian who also don’t eat at restaurants in America and refuse to go on american cruise ships . So the country is really doing it self a big disservice.
As an Australian who travels frequently and has been to the US multiple times, I really resent having to tip to supplement the wages of restaurant or other services staff. I'm already hit with the poor exchange rate and the fact that taxes aren't included in your prices until you get to the checkout (what the heck is up with that? Just give us the total price ffs!) why should I have to subsidise the wages of people in another country? We tip in Australia if we have gotten exceptional service or if we have a large group which caused extra work for the staff, so everyone chips in to give a good tip. Tipping should be to show appreciation for good service, not mandatory because you're guilted into it because large corporations don't want to pay their workers a living wage.
The thing is, you don't have to tip. The restaurants rely on social pressure to get you to tip. If everyone stopped tipping entirely tomorrow, wages would go up because otherwise the restaurants couldn't keep any employees.
Exactly. "tipping" just sets up bad vibes and poisons the atmosphere. Customers and staff shouldn't be subjected to it. A legit business owner with any common sense at all wouldn't have it.
@@Parasnailor when the wage goes up who do you think actually paying for it?
@@tw8464 the customer, in the form of the price. Better up front than this silly tipping game though
Why should we have to subsidize your shitty exchange rate? Stay home
Prices are still high, and I’ve found the tipping has been abused by companies. Instead of 15% tip in the past, now like 35% is the expected undertone.
35% is crazy , don't use anyplace like that. Some popular places like Steak n Shake don't expect a tip.
Convenient how they want tipping percentage to go up with inflation, but not wages.
@@eddenoy321 Agreed, but Steak and Shake is fast food. I have never tipped at McDonalds' Hardees, Burger King, etc. because the service is so minimal.
What business forces you to tip 35%, lol. The goofy narratives in these comments are out of hand.
@@gabrielsatter well a business can’t force you to do anything, but they can create a environment where it’s expected…..
What's crazy is that many restaurant food chains are even having employee staffing shortage, so it's damaging customer returns in some instances. Imagine offering employees a living wage, to fill positions? You'll have a stronger work force and satisfied customers. When I'm going to these chains and see the service being terrible, I don't blame the employees as I know the onslaught of business traffic, combined with staffing shortages, and on top of it all, less than desirable wages are exacerbating the matter.
Another solution is to stop feeling guilty about not being able to tip if you can’t afford it. And tip when you know you can. If you can’t change society, you can at least change how you respond to it.
I'm retired Navy, and I've been to a few other nations and in some Tipping it OUTLAWED! and justly so. Waitstaff are people who deserve dignity and respect. Overseas I found folks who have been Waitstaff from their teens to their 60s, and they love their jobs. They own homes, send kids to college, etc., and meanwhile here in the US I see the same kinds of folks... just all to often over worked, and sadder with no plans beyond trying to catch their next job/shift so they can make rent.
Would love to meet these dignified, middle class , non tipped foreign writers with kids sent to school by not being tipped
@JS-vf8qt where did they mention middle class? Don't put words in their mouth lol
@eliasakkerman4597 if they own homes, send kids to college, etc...that is the definition of middle class. My point is, nobody, anywhere survives as a server above a very minimal level.
Where is it OUTLAWED to tip?
It isn't 'outlawed' in newzealand but any tip would usually be chucked in a jar for the whole staff or even just returned to you ... @thedevilsadvocate5210
... an old fashioned attitude maybe; but a tip could be interpreted as 'I have found the goods/service unsatisfactory,
I hope this magnanimous gesture of currency I can afford to loose improves things around here'
Same problem here in Canada. I hate it. If there's one thing I loved about my trip across Europe.. it's that you pay the damn listed price, not a penny more. There is basically no tipping. I'd rather pay MORE with the upfront initial cost than be harassed or stress over the whole damn tipping issue. It was so much more pleasant to go out to restaurants / diners across europe and know that the listed price is the pirce, no 15%, 20%, 25% etc ontop of that BS to worry about.
listed price + taxes + tips
usa is nuts
It's worse in Canada from a customer's POV. They don't even have the excuse of servers making less than minimum wage to fall back on, we're just expected to pay the same awful tips on top of a min wage that isn't nearly as astonishingly low as in the US. Not that min wage is very livable these days, but it's still much, much higher than what the US deals with here.
@@FF_FanaticVery good point, forgot the US minimum wage situation.
Precisely
I am honest, I am born and lived in Europe for over 30 years and now live in the US. Tipping is the major reason I do not like to eat outside. It is worse then going to stores and not knowing how much a product costs because the added tax. But going to a restaurant you not know how much your eating out costs you with tax and tips complete.
The problem is, they raise minimum wage but still expect tips. Look at California. $15 an hour, but employees are still there looking for your tips. It isn't just the National Restaurant Association, employees are more than happy to still take the tips even though their wages is significantly higher. THe thought was, lets raise their minimum wage so they get a living wage, then they are all still there with their hands out for your tips.
As a European it's insane to me how a country in which the service industry is such a significant part of culture and the workforce has to rely on "donations" to actually sustain these workers lives.
Shows how their representatives don't really give a damn about that disenfranchised significant part while simultaneously readily accepting favors from unscrupulous corporations and institutions that fosterd this very situation in the first place.
for some workers its extremely lucrative and theyre able to make a lot of tips. depends on where u work and what ur service wld like. id prefer to tip the chef.
As an American I feel exactly the same way and a LOT of others here feel likewise.
Europe does many, many things way better than the US.
@@virginiamoss7045 No, not really. Europe also has major societal problems, just not on a similar magnitude as America (yet).
I went to a restaurant/brewery JUST to grab a 6 pack and they charged me the automatic 20% service fee and then asked what percent I wanted to tip‼️
All I did was grab a 6 pack!
I thought it was ridiculous enough I got charged the service fee then almost felt insulted when a tip was basically requested 🙄
Tipping is why I only dine out once or twice a year, I also base on my tips on how many refills I get, not the price of the food I eat. It is no more difficult to carry a tray a nachos vs a ribeye steak. The fact I getting tipping thrown at me for almost every transaction aggravates me to no end.
I remember EXACTLY when tipping started getting stupid, and it's the IRS. They started deducting income taxes for servers based on estimated tips, whether or not the individual actually paid a tip. It had been 10% for pretty much my entire life. After that, word got around, and people upped the tip for GOOD service to 15% to make up for the non-tippers. Of course, bad or exemplary service were rewarded accordingly.
As far as legislating a living wage + tips... yup, I'm sure that will work out really well. Because where is the restaurant going to get the extra money? By charging more. And if everyone knows the wait staff are getting that extra money, where's the incentive to tip?
And then there's the fact that a few years ago, $15.00 / hour was a living wage. Because of the decreasing value of the dollar, it now isn't. So now what?
Pay staff a living wage. Tipping should be voluntary. Not something that you are bullied into.
No, tipping should be illegal.
@@ZarlanTheGreen Agree. at least, don't make me feel extorted like some traffic cop in a "developing' nation.
There doesnt need to be a law or regulation passed, we need to get rid of the non tipping stigma. The fact that society looks down at people who dont tip is the reason this model works for big powerful organizations like NRA. Ironically- the people who earn tips are often the biggest offenders of shaming non tippers. So effectively, they are contributing to the stigma that is allowing this business model to work for restaurants. If servers are not being tipped, then it simply wont be worth their time to continue coming to work. If that happens restaurants will be forced to raise wages. The greedy businesses are taking advantage of it being acceptable to look down at non tippers. I think the public like the opportunity to look down at non tippers because its like an economic class flex that is socially acceptable.
@@abprepboy33 In the US, non-tippers NEED to be shamed, as the workers don't have enough to live on, without tips ...and tipping is very harmful, with no possible benefits. If that doesn't need to be banned, what does? What's the point of making anything illegal, if you don't make tipping illegal?
@@ZarlanTheGreen This. Businesses have ZERO incentive to pay their workers a living wage beyond the owner's generosity (which is at odds with maximizing profit, which is what most larger companies and ALL public companies care about). As was said in the video, prior to minimum wage, many were literally paid NOTHING and expected to shame customers into helping them survive. Now they're paid NEXT-TO-NOTHING and have to do the same thing. If we don't legislate it, the only other avenue is for every restaurant to strike individually or to form a group union (like the Teamsters), which will take time which those workers can't afford to spend not working, cause friction with those who rely on restaurants for food due to their own lack of time and money, and likely result in deaths when those in power fight back with violence. Chicago is doing exactly what a good government is supposed to do and intervene to fight for the interests of the citizens, not the pocketbooks of the few wealthy fortune 500 boards.
Exactly they don't wanna pay their employees we need a minimum wage increase for service employees 12.00 an hour normal minimum wage should be 20.00 an hr.
Eh, no, there should be ONE minimum wage only. No other country has a sub-minimum wage for service workers. It's entirely unnecessary and is just used to divide and conquer the working class.
@@IshtarNike
Nonsense. Not every city/state needs the same minimum wage. We might as well differentiate between tipped employees if it makes sense.
There would be far too many butthurt people when they find out every server makes double a teachers salary.
On the other hand, servers probably work harder on average than teachers, seeing as they are also babysitters, lol.
Minimum wage is an entry wage not a living wage
@@scottmolnar4132
Maga land is that way. Grownups are talking.
@@scottmolnar4132 who was it supposed to benefit? Do you know who fought for a minimum wage, and why? Who, do you think, benefits from a suppressed minimum wage?
Even as someone who worked in the restaurant industry, I found the tipping thing to be a divisive topic. Even with coworkers. Some people see it as in addition to their job's base pay (which is great) and others got so used to getting tips that they gave poor service as punishment for people who didn't tip. I liked being tipped but since I wasn't a server, whose entire pay relied on being tipped, I just saw it as a 'nice to have'. I don't believe anybody's entire paycheck (or even most of it) should be based on tipping though. That means the business really cannot afford those workers and probably should not even exist.
Nothing will change for consumers, just look at California. High minimum wage yet customers we are still expected to leave a big tip
Honestly, I loved it in Europe when I lived there. You got a bill, you paid it and you didn't have to think about tipping or what the 'right amount' should be. I would love to see North America do away with it.
I was told that in Europe, tax is included in the price. So if something costs $9.99, you pay $9.99, not $11.09.
@@CursiveDragon Yes, that is true as well, and I loved that about shopping in Europe as well.
yep, VAT tax, usually 16%, required to be included in the price
@@CursiveDragonyup, but in the US the final amount you end up paying can easily be 30% higher due to taxes, tips and other fees not shown initially. It is messy.
@@CursiveDragonany price shown to an consumer must include taxes, doesn't matter where in Europe. Grocery store, pharmacy, restaurant, hardware store - the price on the sign must be including tax.
The only thing is: some countries in Europe DO have a tip system. But even there, workers must earn a decent wage before tip, and thus the expected tip is 5-10% - and only if you were happy with the service you got.
Pay your staff decently and have your prices reflect that so I know right up front what I owe, and remove the stress from me of dealing with tipping. There are many things that bug me about tipping (and Corporations underpaying their staff) and one of them is that the machines calculate the tip on the 'after taxes' amount. So now I'm tipping not only based on what I purchased, but on the taxes I'm required to pay both the provincial and federal governments for what I purchased. This is insane!
The vast majority are small businesses and not corporations.
now show that same outrage for all the taxes you pay every single day on everything you purchase when you have pretty much zero benefit from said taxes. (crumbling infrastructure, horrible world rank in education, no healthcare, endless war.) Small businesses arent where you should be directing your frustrations. its the government.
@@pobregringo88 You're mostly correct, but about 95% of what government does is illegal, including "education", health insurance, etc, etc.
The issue is that unless a critical mass of restaurants in an area do that, then you have higher costs of doing business that customers won't see until the end of their meal having already decided to eat there. Most people aren't enthusiastic enough about not tipping to go through all that.
Imagine that paying your fellow human being a salary they can survive on is such a radical idea
Tipping was reserved for servers that are paid $2.13 an hour. During the pandemic customers started “tipping” even at restaurants that paid full wages and did not have servers. People were doing that because many restaurants were struggling during that time and many customers were happy that many places were still open and operating. After things opened back up, customers were then expected to tip everyone for everything. A worker that is hired to cook a hamburger is still supposed to get tipped?! The cashier is supposed to get tipped?! The person that makes the coffee?! And it doesn’t matter if you give good service or not. You are just supposed to get tipped because you got out of bed and showed up 😑
I just dont tip. Simple
THANK YOU! People need to know these things. Amazing that the National Restaurant Association was created for the precise purpose of wage theft via tipping.
Tipping makes me uncomfortable in most settings. It feels like it puts workers in a very demeaning, even degrading position. I tip well, but I hate the system.
Recently I was prompted for a tip for PHYSICAL THERAPY. It wasn’t a generic payment app, it was part of the PT company’s app, so it was very intentional. (I was “offered” about a dozen choices of $5 all the way up to $100 to make sure I would feel like a cheap asshole if I tipped anything less than $100.) It’s highly unethical for health care providers to accept, let alone request, tips.
God damn the NRA and their bullshit
That's a weird situation to see a tip screen. I'm seeing more and more tipping screens in self service situations. Got a tipping screen at a self service convenience store the other day. None of the items I bought were prepared, and I fetched everything myself, and yet there it was with options for 20, 25, and 30%. Tipping in general shouldn't go away until effective fair wage practices are implemented, but for the time being, I think we have to come to some consensus about where to draw the line regarding what constitutes tippable service. I can't afford to tip on absolutely everything.
Believe me. No worker feels odd getting a tip. None. If you aren't comfortable tipping a little, or none if they meet a minimum standard, or more if they do a good job, that's all on you. I guarantee most are appreciative of any gratuity. None of them are sitting around thinking, "Man, I can't wait to stop getting tips as soon as my boss pays me like 8 bucks more an hour". That's not a thing and it's hilarious there's so many here acting like it is.
@@gabrielsatterit isn’t really a choice between those though. I live in Washington, where we have minimum wage, and everyone still tips. Tbh I think at this point it’s just a choice between more money (appropriately set minimum wage PLUS tips) or less money (no minimum wage + tips). I know which I’d take.
@@sonorasgirl
I didn't say that was my idea, it was the unrealistic narrative people thought the video was making, and they thoughtlessly agreed.
If go with reasonable floor wage and tips if it seemed appropriate. And we all know what jobs fit the tipping category.
I was shocked when I learned there is a sub miminum wage for workers age 16 to 21 in PA. I first learned about it when my daughter was hired as a ride operator at Hersheypark. She was getting paid $1.50 an hour below minimum wage. People complain when teenagers have a lack of work ethic. The age discrimination certainly doesn’t help. Just think about that wage disparity the next time you’re waiting in line to get on a roller coaster.
sounds illegal, hourly workers are required by federal law to make at least the federal minimum wage
We have a similar system in the UK where there is a lower minimum wage for 16-18yos, going up again at 21 and finally meeting the national minimum wage at 25.
What that means is that the type of casual employment you get in your teens, they will fire you after your birthday, saying they dont need you anymore. And then a few months later hire someone younger, so they can pay them less.
It is the same with our apprentice wage. It is half of minimum wage and the company gets government funding for taking on an apprentice. However instead of keeping the apprentice on after the length of the apprenticeship (usually one or two years) they company often says, sorry we dont have a position for you here. But immediately rehires a new apprentice to do the role you just spent two years being underpaid to learn to do.
Im all for apprenticeships when they honestly teach you a trade. But my brother spent two years being underpaid to work in a factory that assembles caravans. He did exactly the same job as all the older workers, none of whom had to do this apprenticeship or have any other skills before getting hired. But being paid half of much with no job security.
The left lies. They say that Australia has a higher minimum wage, and their economy is better. They have a sub minimum wage that is extremely low for the underaged.
@@orangew3988 that's interesting, i don't think we have that here in america except for those under 20 years old for the first 90 days of work, it's like a training period but for those who are only working for the summer when school is off well it would feel permanent to them
There's also a sub minimum wage for disabled persons. A company who hires a disabled person can do a test to see how quickly they perform a job compared to normal employees. They use these results to pay people literally pennies per hour. Many of these people are actually required to accept any job offer they receive as a condition of receiving government benefits even if the payment they receive is less than the cost of taking a bus to go there.
Many people argue that it's supposed to help encourage companies to hire people who otherwise couldn't be hired, but if they aren't being paid for their time what's the point of them being there? And also, what happens if they happened to be very good at a particular task and do better than a normal employee? They certainly don't get a raise. So how is it fair to deduct someone's salary two significantly below minimum wage purely on the basis of how fast they work, but not give people a mandatory raise if they work significantly better?
I remember taking the economics class in my last college where the professor actually believed that minimum wage was a thing and didn't know about all these exceptions to minimum wage laws. It's shocking how many people just don't know.
After moving to Oregon and finding out they don't have sub minimum wages, I stopped tipping. Employees working in a restaurant are literally in the same boat as everyone else when it comes to wages. Can't eat your cake and have it too.
I have been to Australia and New Zealand many times. They do not have a tipping culture. Instead ... they pay people a living wage. You pay with the cost of the service. It is fair. No one pays more. For instance, that $35 dinner in Sydney is the same for all and no one tips. I am not in effect asked to pay more through a tip than a cheapskate would pay. It is expensive, but really about what we pay here with a meal and a tip. People seem to prefer that.
Yes. We should ban tipping and up minimum wage across the board. As well as tie minimum wage to inflation.
Well said. If you're going to ban tipping there needs to be a STRONG AF force to make elites pay their workers properly or else they are jailed : )
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Your right. Publicly traded businesses having ZERO profits to claim privately or publicly, before, labor values are expressed in dividend paid, its literal paid, not expectant. Anything less goes to law enforcement for penal code on comodities and exchange fraud & organized crime.
Labor is paid in full by the completion of each quarter, or there is NO profit.
Also the businesses literally paying every cent for their actions resulting in an audit, investigated, prosecuted, and fined.
Public transparent database showing these happenings in Real Time.
Dont like that, dont practice business in America. Dont expect tax subsidaton, public investment, use of infrastructure, bankruptcy protections, and certainly not a bailout.
A business fails, that's actually capitalism.
Which abhors monopolies. Capitalism isnt a trust fall. It requires the credibility of all investors (labor included) getting the return they are producing.
Each business that fails. Cut all assets up for redistribution for small businesses remaping the market share of industry, from ground up, not elites down. Cant get it done right, get out of the way for the new guys. Can't be done right? Then its not worth doing at all.
The action of reliable business that invests in their own labor is a more credible, flexible, effective, economic powerhouse.
Wages should not just be a flat minimum wage at inflation, it needs to be COL of area work is being professionally done. Labor are not a bunch of debt pockets for bad business to hide debts in.
Tarrifing to the production location from alternate taxation between States, Counties, Cities, is entirely possible with computational ability present.
It's not rocket science. Most of it is already automated to redundancy of the upper and much of the middle management. It's the cheaters, cutting corners and not getting down on the factory floor thats costing the planet economically and environmentally more than they can ever produce. Stop buying their products.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
Gotta ban the corporate protection. If a corporation gets found guilty in a court of law, the whole board faces the punishment. Really should just ban the corporate structure in business in general, but we’ve got to start somewhere I guess. Remove their security blanket that makes them so brazen with breaking the laws of man and morality.
This. I never want to work at a place where I depend on tips. Its demeaning and all to frequently weaponized against service workers. I want to be paid well enough not to need tips and I want that for everyone in the service industry.
And also tie the max compensation at a company to the min compensation at the same company. Max can be x times greater than min. We need a law. That would do a lot to get low paid workers money and insanely wealthy assholes less.
In theory, if everyone agreed to stop tipping at the same time, companies would see a massive hit to profits because they would then have to make up the difference for all tipped workers across the board. But no one will do this because we've been conditioned to feel bad if we did that.
That's people's problem. I don't understand why you want to tip billionaires.
I would feel guilty if I gave a tip.
Here in UK tipping is usually only for exceptional service, but has in the past been abused by employers.
A new law gained Royal Assent in May 2023, and should be fully operating by May 2024. It will mean that all tips must be passed on to staff, with the employer not being able to charge administrative fees (e.g. for managing a _tronc_ system, or for bank card charges).
So, basically the same as its been in the US for, well, ever. In the US, not only do tips only go to the employees, they only go to tip-elegible employees. Not BOH, not management, etc.
Only in the USA. The "richest country" in the world but cannot afford to pay their workers a decent livable wage.
We do it because business owners have taken advantage of empathy because of their greed
Pay your workers:
END TIPPING NOW!
Sadly, I make far more than minimum wage because of tips. If I were forced to work for minimum wage, I would be living worse off. Why can't we pay workers AND allow people to tip BECAUSE THEY WANT TO instead of because they feel like they have to?
@@Salsuero the problem with that is..... because as long as tipping is happening, there will be a social stigma against non tippers. That stigma is allowing these big organizations to take advantage of consumers. If you work at a nice quality establishment, and your customers/clients appreciate your service. Maybe allow them to make reservations and request you specifically and you get a commission on top of your hourly pay for each of those appointments? I mean if your good service is literally bringing in business for your employer- that doesnt sound unreasonable and it shouldnt put any pressure on the consumers
@@abprepboy33You're not going to convince me that a) banning tipping will magically make people's lives better before they get VERY worse and b) that banning tipping is actually democratic because some people actually like to tip and shouldn't be banned from giving a bonus to a good server/laborer... as if it wouldn't just end up being in cash and cause workers who receive them to be fearful of criminal action if found out. Commission is just a tip with a different name... but it's hilarious because who would pay that commission? The business??? LOL Nope. The customer? Then it's just a tip. There's no way you're going to convince a business that customers wouldn't show up if you didn't work there. They can request you, sure... but does that mean they wouldn't accept someone in your place? Are the customers going to schedule their dinners out for when you have a shift? Gimme a break. As someone who has worked a full-time commission-only job, you learn very quickly that your days off don't stop your "loyal" customers from doing the business they need/want to do without you.
@@adanufgail LOL- the video with a clear agenda to raise wages for restaurant workers. If it was more profitable to pay restaurant workers more, why do you think wags havent moved in 30 yrs?
@@SalsueroTipping must end, because everybody hates tipping. Personally, I never tip, and life is great.
This video needs to be VIRAL
Funny how businesses form unions called lobbying Associations and that’s great.
But if Workers form Associations to lobby for them called unions that’s evil.
I'm so over-tipping. During the pandemic, I got in the habit of just listing every time something was pushed in front of me. Now i only tip at places I'm served. I've stopped tipping for fast food, coffee etc.
Please tip at least 10% on your to-go orders at restaurants, especially at smaller local establishments. Workers often need to prioritize picking up the phone, taking your order, and then packing it up for you while their tables are waiting for them. They can end up making less tips from their tables since they're so preoccupied, and then when you don't tip on the to-go order you basically just screwed the worker double without even noticing.
@@andrer4046The financial situation of the restaurant operations and their workers should not be a concern to any customer/patron. Employees got problems, take it up to the employers. No need to guilt trip the customers like they have some sort of obligation to the matter and sour/ruin their dining / take out / delivery experiences.
@@andrer4046Not only do I not tip on t-o-go orders, I also gladly take my 10% discount.
@@andrer4046no.
I’m glad to see a video addressing this issue, but it’s missing a part. I worked in the bar and restaurant industry for over ten years. Bartenders are paid at least minimum wage or higher plus tips. Bus persons or food runners are also paid minimum wage, however servers are paid the sub minimum. Literally every other restaurant employee is paid more than a server. More often than not, servers are expected to tip 10% of their sales to a bus person and 5% to the bar staff. Yes, you read that correctly. The lowest paid restaurant employee is often required to pay other employees. Despite being illegal, this is a common practice in many well known chain restaurants and individually owned mom and pop restaurants alike. I debated this issue with one of my former employers the last time as worked as a server. The issue came up on a slow Saturday night. I made a measly $50 bucks, and gave the bus person his $5 cut. That prick complained to the owner. He got more money from the other servers, so he thought I had short changed him. The owner pulled me aside to have a little chat. Little did she know that I would be educating her on the legality of her business practices. She acted dumbfounded by the fact that I had made less than the other servers that night. When asked I responded, “Well Phyllis, you sat every table tonight. You controlled the seating rotation. Surely you noticed that I didn’t have as many tables as the other servers. Perhaps you should explain that to your bus person.” I further added, “You can also tell him, not to bother me for a tip in the future. I’m no longer paying your employees.” At this point the owner looked at me as if I had suddenly sprouted three heads and stuttered,” But you can’t do that, tipping has been a tradition for years.” I went on to explain that as the employer she was legally obligated to pay her employees, not me. I fully expected to be fired on the spot, but Phyllis had other plans for exploiting my labor. Since I would no longer tip the bus person, she didn’t think it was fair for him to clean off tables in my section. Somehow in her mind requiring the lowest paid employee to do more work was a fair compromise. She also thought it was “fair” to assign me to the smallest section with the least turnover every single shift I worked thereafter, because she was afraid the customers would notice the bus person not cleaning tables in my section. 🤨 That was the last time I worked as a server. The restaurant industry exploits workers in more ways than I can count. I’m happy to see some progress with unions in an industry that workers need them the most. The effort to increase wages is just the first step. Personally, I’d like to see restaurant employees paid a livable and respectable wage for their work, and tipping can become a relic of the past.
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they should fight for a livable wage not the minimum wage
@@rerikm That kind of a situation when people just only do the minimum
www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-V/subchapter-A/part-531/subpart-D
(1) An employer may exert control over an employee's tips only to distribute tips to the employee who received them, require employees to share tips with other employees in compliance with § 531.54, or, where the employer facilitates tip pooling by collecting and redistributing employees' tips, distribute tips to employees in a tip pool in compliance with § 531.54.
If you're going to make such assertions try to be informed about what you're saying at the very least. I've been doing restaurant work for 9 years, I've never been at a store where the servers haven't both made significantly more money than everyone else (AFTER tipout mind you) save the bartenders some nights, and also work the least.
The store I'm working at recently had to establish a "tip-out council" recently of trusted coworkers to stop servers from serially shorting the support staff.
Get over yourself.
Great comment but it’s not illegal to make servers tip bussers/bar backs I have worked in a federal restaurant where this is still the case and bartenders tip the barbacks/ bussers as well I think it’s a silly system but not illegal
We had a place here that eliminated tips and boosted prices to compensate. 1 - They lost business once prices increased. 2 - The servers were bringing home LESS. 3 - Servers no longer got "tax free" cash tips.
If businesses / cities / states pay their workers fairly in jobs that have been traditionally tip- based, those places should be legally required to disclose that information in publicly visible areas so that customers aren't double- paying for services. I'm all for tipping good service, but that's what it should be for - actual good service, not just for doing the job you're already getting paid for.
I'm tired of " tipping " In fast food joints, take out, and coffee shops. I refuse to tip anymore. Everything now is so expensive and the employer has the nerve to ask for a tip. Does anyone agree with me?
I only feel like tipping in full-service restaurants 15-20% MAX for really good service. No tips for counter service or fast food.
@@the_rubbish_bin yeah, especially since where I live I make about the same as most of them as a cashier.
Except I don't get tips.
Like a Starbucks batista here makes AT LEAST 14 while I make 13.50, *not everyone ordering food is making more than the fast food worker.*
*What's the point of tipping to boost lower income workers when not all of them get tips and they themselves then have to tip?*
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty I never got tips as a cashier either, it's a BS system
I agree, I remember applying for a job at a buffet style restaurant. I asked about wages and was told the server got tips. I thought, really all they do is clear away your empty plates. The person gets their own food and drink, I never tipped in these restaurants and from what I could see, very few other people did either.
Noticed that it’s now asked for everywhere.
The owner of a business can't afford to pay their employees a livable wage, then they don't belong in business.
I keep telling people this. If you can't afford to pay people to work FOR YOU, then you should only be in business if you work FOR YOURSELF. If that doesn't work... you're probably not supposed to be in business at all and maybe you should go find a good tipping job.
Let’s say I own a furniture store, and I run it with just me and my spouse. Once a week, on Saturdays, we do furniture delivery and pickup, and we need someone to work with us for four hours on those saturdays. Are you saying I shouldn’t be allowed to run this business if I cannot pay this person who works four hours a week a living wage? It’s gonna be a teenager from the local high school who wants money to buy snacks and gadgets. It’s totally unreasonable to expect to live off of this job.
@@user-tz5uq2bt1sWages aren't weekly unless you're salaried or some other kind of arrangement, so no. Weekly wages based on the number of hours worked. This isn't a difficult concept. If you don't pay your hourly worker enough to be able to live WHEN EXTRAPOLATED OUT AS A FULL WEEK'S WAGE then yeah, you're ghetto. It doesn't matter what age they are... you shouldn't be taking advantage of anyone who works for you, regardless of their status in the world. They are working. You are using that work. Pay them a fair amount for their time and effort. Fair doesn't mean you get to decide that since they don't work lots of hours they don't deserve the same amount as someone who would be. End of story.
@@Salsuero What happens then of course is that they get paid under the table, tax free. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what does happen.
@@user-tz5uq2bt1s let me more clear, I’m talking about adults, not teenagers, teenagers can live at home rent free. Like they say, “You get what you pay for.” Pay poor wages, get poor labor.
Literally the only time in my 35+ year working life that I have EVER been written up was when I was working as a busser in a restaurant in the 90's. I was a tipped worker, but my tips were dependent on the server I was working for that shift. I was working for a terrible server who never tipped her bussers well no matter what we did for her. When I entered in my tips at the end of the night I didn't reach minimum wage, though I didn't realize it at the time. The next day my boss wrote me up for not reporting enough tips, even after I explained I had entered in exactly what I had been given. I was told to always make sure I claimed enough to cover minimum wage no matter what or I would get written up and eventually fired.
I quit waiting tables in the 1980's because as a single parent I couldn't make enough money to pay my bills. I went into construction and made at least 1000% more per hour than I did as a server. It sickens me that ppl are still stuck in a 1990's wage.
Exactly. Although some people might make good tips, the reality for vast majority is too low and too inconsistent "wage" that's really wage theft going on in the industry as a whole.
This is a larger problem than just the "restaurant" lobby. It's this "trickle down" mafia "system" that makes people feel like they can never get ahead no matter how hard they work and has dangerously destabilized society. This really started when Nixon "opened up to" China, telling the American public it was "to counter the Soviet Union," when the real reason was to try to totally annihilate unions in the U.S. and empower the "trickle down" mafia to absolutely no limits. By time 80s rolled around, Reagan made "trickle down" completely unleashed to bite everyone working for wages. We were more productive than ever before in history but yet these "policies" completely divorced our productivity gains from our wages. I started work in the 90s, minimum wage was about $5 an hour. And it stayed that way for decades because it's set up as can only be raised by act of the legislature not by productivity or market forces. To make long story short, "trickle down" mafia manipulates and orchestrates everything to artificially keep wages too low. Then "trickle down" apologists and enablers deliberately misconstrue as "we can't pay burger flippers $20 an hour." Thar is really not it at all. I don't know the real market rate to cook burgers and neither does the public because the "trickle down" mafia artificially keeps wages driven down for most wage working Americans. What should never have been going on is the "trickle down" mafia controlling the government outright wage theft that has destroyed every generation since the Boomers and destabilized the country.
I worked for tips almost my entire adult life. The tipping practice pits employees against one another. It antagonizes employees against low tippers. And the argument of "tipping encourages better service" is countered by the fact that all customers deserve a standard quality of service no matter what they are tipping. If a server isn't performing to the standard, you terminate them, it's just like any other retail position. You want servers to upsell? Give them a profit share (not commission, but a proper bonus). Here's the catch, ALL the businesses have to change at once, because if they don't, the holdouts that still allow tipping will get the lion's share of the market since they won't have to raise prices. But if every restaurant has to simultaneously pay a living wage because its the law, then all the restaurants raise their prices together, and meanwhile the employees will have more income to spend at the other businesses. It will ultimately mean less profits going to the 1%, and that's why the elites lobby against such laws. And I don't know if you've worked for tips, but it is demeaning work. Some customers abuse their power knowing that they can directly affect your pay. The repercussions for doing a bad job should be decided by the employer, not the customer. Here's another way to look at it, do you tip your UPS driver? Mailman? Do you tip your nurse or doctor? Do you tip flight attendants? No, because they're paid to do a good job for every customer, not just you. The tipping system basically gives employers subsidized labor. And they love the idea that employees will be subservient to customers rather than equal members of society. F that. I'm not a customer's employee, if they got a problem they can punish the company, not me.
"No, because they're paid to do a good job for every customer, not just you"
So your saying servers are not expected to do a good job?
Why would you or any business not expect employees to do a "good job" as part of their job regardless of how much you paid them? Prerequisite???
I expect a GOOD JOB from any employee of ANY business I patron or I quit going to said business.
I don't give a tip for them doing their job. Which they chose BTW.
I give a tip for above and beyond service.
I base my tip percentage on how much extra they did.
Well said! Ban food service tipping and level that playing field, which also means helping the mom'n'pop shops through the immediate labour cost spike transition, or the big corp brands would soon be your only choice. (I do tip the mailman annually and anyone else who delivers such personal service to me, including deliveries, while I deeply resent tip jars and screens soliciting tips at cash registers for mere counter service.) Now, about retail non-living wages... yes, I'm looking at you Walmart.
@@garyhall5397 My point was that restaurant servers and flight attendants do the same thing, but one is a slave while the latter is a respected employee. If flight attendants were getting most of their pay from tips, they'd be comping drinks left and right, flirting, favoring certain demographics over others, giving up on angry passengers, and feeling resentful for airline crew whenever delays occur or for turbulence. This relationship between customer and service employee tilts the scales of respect and power. One ends up treating the other like a slave. It causes the service employee to be disingenuous, fake, patronizing, a drone tending to a queen bee. No one wants to live like that. You ever been to Chic-Fil-A? Those workers don't collect tips, and yet the service is impeccable. How can that be? Is it maybe because the company actually pays well, fosters a better work environment, and thus creates demand for employment which attracts more professional crew? Trust me, it's in the owner's best interest to properly pay employees out of their own pocket rather than leave it to customers. In all the various service jobs I worked at, I never once respected the company I worked for. I never once felt valuable to them. To ask for a raise would get you laughed at. No one wanted to work the slow shifts. The servers/drivers had senseless rivalries which wouldn't exist if they weren't competing for better tippers. It's a hostile work environment that doesn't encourage comradery. But I'm just repeating myself by now. I've made my point, take it or leave it.
@@saeklin
"My point was that restaurant servers and flight attendants do the same thing, but one is a slave while the latter is a respected employee."
What is the scope of work for a waitress? What is the pay? Who decide to make this a "slave job"? I didn't. It's a job.
what is the scope of work for a flight attendant? What is the pay? Who decide to make this a respectable job? I didn't. It's a job.
Why would you or anyone else not tip a flight attendant? Why would you or anyone tip a waitress?
I'm sorry you see it that way. I see 2 employees that CHOSE to do job A for a pay A.
"If flight attendants were getting most of their pay from tips, they'd be comping drinks left and right, flirting, favoring certain demographics over others, giving up on angry passengers, and feeling resentful for airline crew whenever delays occur or for turbulence. This relationship between customer and service employee tilts the scales of respect and power. One ends up treating the other like a slave."
Drinks would be comped by who? To who? How does a waitress comp drinks? How would a flight attendant comp drinks that don't belong to them? What scales tipped to my power when a flight attendant doesn't serve do to turbulence? Or when a flight is delayed, or when the angry passenger is next to me?
What power do you hold over a waitress? When food doesn't come, or have to wait for a seat, even if she messes the order all you have power to do is ask to have it corrected. Asking anyone to do the job THEY CHOSE to do is not treating them like slaves.
I have worked in the service industry, and retail nobody had power over me accept my boss. As with any job the respect came because I wanted to do a good job so they would come back to the business so I would continue to have a job. Just like a flight attendant. If you continuously get bad service on an airline, I would guess you would quit using said airline. You have no other power than that.
"It causes the service employee to be disingenuous, fake, patronizing, a drone tending to a queen bee. No one wants to live like that."
That is retail and service industry, not pay.
Dealing with public all day sucks, no matter how much you get paid.
"You ever been to Chic-Fil-A? Those workers don't collect tips, and yet the service is impeccable. How can that be? Is it maybe because the company actually pays well, fosters a better work environment, and thus creates demand for employment which attracts more professional crew?"
No fan of Chic-Fil-A, so only once.
Impeccable service comes from A: company commanding that. B: Boss commanding that. C: employee commanding that of themselves.
I've been in plenty of restaurants that have tip pay makeup and have had impeccable service. I leave a great tip.
I've been to places that don't tip pay, or add gratuity in for your convenience and have had horrible service. I gained no power other than being an unhappy customer, and still had to leave a gratuity tip.
I would hope ANY business would want professional crews, and they didn't get them, reacted accordingly.
"Trust me, it's in the owner's best interest to properly pay employees out of their own pocket rather than leave it to customers. In all the various service jobs I worked at, I never once respected the company I worked for. I never once felt valuable to them. To ask for a raise would get you laughed at. No one wanted to work the slow shifts. The servers/drivers had senseless rivalries which wouldn't exist if they weren't competing for better tippers. It's a hostile work environment that doesn't encourage comradery."
I agree, there should be a minimum wage flat across the board for everyone, and tip when I feel like it (which I do now anyway).
Your experience was different than mine. Sorry for that. YOU still CHOSE the job. YOU still CHOSE to stay at those jobs.
Senseless rivalries? On days when we (servers) made great tips we still had rivalries for tables we thought would leave better tips. I had rivalries in retail work as well (where I didn't get tips). Far cry from hostile.
I don't even do service work any longer and I deal with senseless rivalries, it's called part of your job. I don't know anyone who works with a group that doesn't have rivalries.
Have you ever heard of or done employee of the month? Big practice in a lot of places.
Is that not a rivalry? What exactly does an employee get from that rivalry?Camaraderie?? What does the employer get? Souped up workers for basically nothing.
Should we not do that either? Too hostile????
Bottom line for me is this, If YOU CHOOSE a job that doesn't pay what you want or makes you feel like a slave, CHOOSE to find another job.
If we the customer would either quit going to places that used tip for pay system (which we both know will not happen), or quit tipping. Things would change.
@@garyhall5397 Unfortunately with the climate of employment you don't choose a job, the job usually chooses you. You have to apply to so many places only to get a couple of responses. Everyone has to work to pay their bills, thus you sometimes have no option but to take the shitty job because it's the only one you have.
I started paying cash, cause i got fed up with just ordering a coffee and the damn card screen having me select a tip percentage, with the only tipping options being 15%, 20% and 30%. I swear the worst is when the restaurant automatically includes the tip in your bill. i can decide how much i wanna tip, i don't want to be forced to tip at 20% on a $60 meal. I have no problem tipping. But it's getting out of hand, it's no longer gratuity, if you're forced to give one at a rate you did not get to select.
I've always said tips should be an additional benefit, not the main source of income.
Sub minimum and contractor minimum should be abolished. Wage theft should also come with hefty fines that go to the worker or their union.
I can tell you that as a food business owner that didn't have tipped employees, every time minimum wage increased, I raised my prices. Not because I was greedy but, I was just trying to keep an even profit margin. If 30% of your staff is on tipped wages ($2.13) and all of the sudden are on "normal" minimum wages ($15) and that number of employees is 10, your payroll just jumped $128 per hour. The average good establishment will limit the number of tables to 4 per wait person. That means that the average ticket price meal could increase $3.20. Your $40 dinner just now cost $43.20. I can tell you first hand that any wait person who busts their butts for $15 will look for other employment. To keep good wait staff, the ticket price would have to increase by $5-$6 per ticket or $20+ per hour to keep them. Since many fast food establishments are already paying $20/hr for bagging fries and filling drinks, that wage would need to be in my opinion about 25-30/hour for full service. The math is simple: $30 - $2.13 is $27.87. Divide that by 4 tables is $6.96. So your $40 dinner is now $46.96. It might be well worth it for some customers to pay the extra ticket cost vs. $40 + 15% ($46.00). The incentive for a good wait staff would, in my opinion would go down as there is no incentive any more to make extra income off of great service and an appreciative customer. On the flip side, those cheap customers that don’t tip or are tipping a rudely low amount would have to pay more at the register.
Reducing workers to beggars. What could possibly go wrong?
Special ingredients added free of charge to your food
@@eddenoy321 well that is a bad review and potential report of food malpractice then. Company pay the salary not the customer....there are even countries like the scandinavian ones or japan where tipping is seen as an insult.
Exeption for exeptional service in resturants and bars but even then you don't see suggested tip on every order.
@@Solus749 I grew up in Japan. No one would be insulted , but they would run to give you your money back thinking you forgot it. But there are some other places where giving a little ( even a lot ) is going on. Usually involving alcohol and women.
@@eddenoy321 yup similar cases in scandinavian towns like say gothenburg or copenhagen. you leaving change as tip and leave you get the cashier running after you giving it back. In fact some of them would be insulted and frankly ask you if you think they don't get paid enough🤣. Others would say they aren't allowed to recieve it.
Others ofc are more polite but tipping do exist, usually in classy resturants for good /exellent service. I assume the alcohol/women example from you is the host clubs and similar? Yea those are mostly japan exclusive. Allthough I do have stories of a mate of mine who tried tipping in japan and got yelled at by staff.
Long story short tipping isn't that common outside USA.
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz if the resturant can't keep open with the higher wages it don't deserve to stay open. Look up macdonalds and how much an american worker gets vs a european one gets for example.
A european one gets 4-5 weeks PAID vacation, a salary you can live on without an extra work OR tip. Atop of that they also get social security on average ( depending on country ) 12 ish months of PAID motherleave for childcare/giving birth. Usually more in scandinavian ones.
There is a reason europeans don't tip normally. Handing over the food is seen as PART OF THE JOB and don't earn tip for extra service. You get tip for extra good service and in case of a cafe, burger joint etc tip isn't given period as it is the owners responcibility to pay their workers. Also helps that europe have funtional workers unions too which means decent salaries.
When I worked at Pizza Hut they would make us claim our tips and I would always lie and claim almost no tips since I knew Pizza Hut was just gonna take my tips outta my paycheck.
I used to deliver pizzas. I'm now a mystery shopper and had a shop at Outback and since I was being reimbursed I done tipped well. But I agree that it's a lot of bologna to put the expectation on customers who may be struggling themselves to tip. Even the $7.25/hr for the non tipped ain't no count. Pay people a livable wage and then if a generous customer is so pleased as to tip the server then great. One thing at the start of the video made me smile when I got a well tipping individual who asked if it was enough. I hope nobody ever asked him for more but I just said it was a good tip and I would always emphatically say absolutely and give him a big thank you. Have mercy!
getting your customers to subsidize your employees wages was a brilliant con
Well said. About as brilliant as forcing us all to get cars, learn to drive em, pay to maintain them...
it was, but I dont think the path out of this is fighting powerful corporations to change laws and regulations. The path out of this is to try and end the stigma society gives non tippers. If people decide that it is ok not to tip, then that will put more real life pressure on restaurants to raise their wages or they simply wont have workers
Another great con was taking sIavery, making it part time, and calling it "Income-Tax". The average person pays about 20% of their income as "Income-tax", meaning, under threat of force if one does not pay, the average full-time person is laboring for the government 1 day a week. That's excluding the other mountain of taxes we pay of course 😉
yeah like just charge a $10 a person table service fee
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 and making us buy houses instead of living in caves and tricking us into needing internet, iphones, video games, tvs, streaming services and more.
I worked for tips for years, while going to school. I find that generally those who didn't earn more from tips than from doing another job at a set rate didn't stay at the tipped job as long as those of us who thrived on the voluntary rewards from serving our fellow man well
I really hate tipping as a customer. And if i were a restaurant worker i would also be stressed if my wage depended on the clients. Workers should be paid an adequate salary.
Customers are tired of the pressure to tip, but even when the minimum wage is increased, customers are still expected to tip substantially. Seattle's minimum wage is $16.50 for tipped and non-tipped workers, but recommended tips on checkout systems are usually 20% and higher. So the consumer frustration problem doesn't get fixed, although the minimum wage increase is indeed beneficial and fair to workers. Total hourly pay for restaurant workers in Seattle based on wage + tips is around $30/hour -- which is not a lot considering the cost of living in the area.
But for restaurant owners to increase the pay to $30/hour and not charge tips, it would be necessary to increase menu prices. Owners can't eat that cost because margins are already low (around 5%). The problem is that consumers would balk at having higher menu prices but accept to pay the same if tips are tacked on at the end! This would need a truce: all restaurant owners should drop tips and have fair menu prices. And that's easier said than done. Regulation could solve this by requiring electronic point of sale systems to not offer the option to tip. Then everyone has to get honest on their prices.
Well, the reason for that is with checkout systems, the "tip" doesn't go directly to the person who served you, it goes to the employer (and the point of service provider probably gets their cut, too) and maybe, hopefully, some of it gets back to the server as well. So it's just a smokescreen for a different way to squeeze more money out of you and screw over the server.
By Federal law 100% of the tips have to go to the staff. Tips get split between servers, cooks and everyone else who works to serve the customers. Managers or owners cannot receive any of it.
@@radittsit legally has to go to the serving staff
Like honestly the best solution seems to me to be listing on the menu “all prices include a 15% tip” or 20% or whatever, but even then consumers might not be happy about it
Only those who do their job well should receive a tip. It's incentive for others to do their job better.
The "tipping getting out of hand" that people are complaining about currently is about workers who are already making the minimum wage or more, like at Starbucks or any given takeout. No one is complaining about tipping workers who made the sub-wage. Simply eliminating the sub-wage isn't going to fix America's broken tipping culture - it'll just make eating out more expensive since restaurants will simply raise their prices to pay the higher wage, and the servers will still expect a tip.
It's incredibly frustrating to be pitted against workers in the service industry. And I'm not saying that people are hostile, in fact a lot of the tipped workers are just trying their best, and we all agree that the system is broken. It's just knowing how the system is built to try to have us fight against each other.
Worker and customer fight while elite runs off with all the money. Capitalism in a nut shell.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 you forgot the part where the capitalist blames "brown people."
America has and is falling behind, and it’s extremely frustrating. All in the name of profits.
You can blame Republicans for that. Fighting for corporate greed just to "own the libs".
@@SigFigNewton Restaurants operation on very thin margins. 60% of new restaurants fail in the first year and 80% fail in 5 years. One small change in a market can be a breaking point for many of these restaurants. A pandemic can be catastrophic. Employment at a restaurant is voluntary. No one has to work there. There are other better paying jobs out there.
@@jtt9747You can apply to a better job but you can't make them hire you
America is the most advanced country on earth and is an anomaly compared to the rest of the world. The only problems in Americas are people not understanding economics and thinking profit is evil. When really taxation is evil. Profit motivates smart, intelligent people to work their butts off. Every employee gets a risk free profit share check in exchange for their labor. Nobody works for free. Profit shouldn’t be demonized because it’s what motivates people to build up their society.
@@jtt9747 If a restaurant can't afford to pay their workers they should go out of business. The last sentence about "better paying jobs out there" is nonsense. If everyone went for those jobs there would still be a huge number of people either unemployed or forced to work the worse jobs. American economy is trash and OP is right.
I took a job in a restaurant in Vancouver Washington back in 1982. I found out the first day that my wage was only $2.25 + tips brought me to around $4hr. I quit the next day and eventually moved back to California where I got $3.35 plus tips, which added up to over $7 per hr.
Simple solution. New laws.
1. Tips belongs to the server. The company cannot take it. It is not shared with back room staff or other servers. Just your server.
2. It doesn't count towards minimum wage. The employer cannot use it to pay wage. It isn't their money. The tip is between the server and the customer.
3. Unless the customer specifically says the tip is for the cook or designated anybody else. And no preprinted stuff on the bill or notices on the wall. If he customer wants to tip anybody else (even the establishment) he has to say it himself. He must bring it up.
4. Employers who attempt to take the tip, or use it for wages, goes to jail for theft. What, the amount is too small? Just add it all up, all employees, over time. Eventually the total will be enough for jail.