Every other clan: We have you surrounded Some monk bois with a sweet orange mon: Don't threaten me with a good time *loads tanegashima with extreme religious intent*
DATE ADVISOR: "Sir, our enemies have missile advantage. We should carefully observe the battlefield and position our troops in a ways so that we could avoid unnecessary ...." DATE GENERAL: "BANZAI" DATE ADVISOR: "eh, who cares. BANZAI"
As a player who mains Uesugi, you can keep your money. We are proud to fight under the Bishamonten (毘) and Dragon (龍) uma- jirushi (banner). We fight for one of the most honorable and charismatic daimyos of the Sengoku period; the god of war himself, Uesugi Kenshin (Nagao Kagetora). He, despite being a young daimyo, was as formidable as Takeda Shingen in terms of generalship and administration and was one of the few who scored victories against the Oda clan (Battle of Tedorigawa). We’re not masochists. There is a saying during the Three Kingdoms about Liu Bei’s Shu, “the path of Heaven is hard.” We also tread the same path because of the stupid unholy Takeda-Hojo-Imagawa alliance. But, hey, at least the Uesugi wasn’t dumb to charge entrenched massed arquebusiers in battle.
@@plot6520 weak roast tbh. The only reason Uesugi Kenshin is associated with the sohei was because he was a devout Buddhist. He only allied himself with the Ikko-Ikki sometime in 1575 because Nobunaga was becoming too powerful. Other clans have more prominent ties with monk sects than the Uesugi. Mori (Shogun TW got this right), Asai, Asakura, and Tokugawa had more prominent ties with sohei sects. As for the trade bonus clan trait, it's inspired by an incident of chivalry between Kenshin and Shingen. When rival daimyos (Imagawa?) conspired to deprive Kai, a land-locked province, of salt, Kenshin implored Shingen to source salt from Echigo. This appears as a dilemma in the game.
Another descriptions for date clan: The infantry version of takeda players who prefer mass foot soldiers charging enemies, but still opt for at least 4 yari cavalry for flanking. They also love waiting because it takes forever to travel the eastern lands.
this is 100% true i prefer date for the easy start and kinda early stone (if you play quickly and aggressively) and its always alot of fun watching no-datchai charge from 1 side while cave destroys from the other
I agree with you. The Shimazu have all what I like about the Samurai ... the red armor and ocus on Katana. their spirit (in game) is like that of a wolverine, or a honey badger, so they match my craziness lol
The better cavalry is a nice bonus, but what I love about Takeda is that sweet red armour. I also love the Date color scheme, dark blue and gold. That's how I paint my Dark Elf tabletop units. Or used to anyway.
After watching Kagemusha, I gained a new appreciation for the Takedas. Shingen was really a great warrior and it's one of the many tragedies of the Sengoku-jidai that he died besieging Noda Castle instead of fighting in battle.
Great film (Kurosawa + George Lucas), Guns > Horses. Also if you haven't seen it, see "Heaven and Earth" (1990), will appreciate the Takeda & Uesugi relationship. Great depiction of the Battle of Kawanakajima.
It's a great movie. Keep in mind the events portrayed represent one popular theory of what occurred but should not be taken as historical fact. We know little about Shingen's use of body doubles and even less about when and where he died, only that the siege ended in a disastrous defeat for the Takeda who wouldn't push back out from Kai until Katsuyori disobeyed his advisors.
Currently on a uesugi run and I own all of eastern japan while managing against the Christians in the west. Honestly the easiest run I've ever done. It's all about forcing the other clans to your will. When they ask for peace, make them a vassal. should they refuse, take another province. Trade with them on top of the tribute. Bribe them to join your wars and let them die for you. Then retake the land they lost from the battered and weak clan that ended your vassal and then make the new clan your next vassal. I will restore shinto to all japan.... with the most dishonorable daimyo.
Ah the Otomo... I came for God, I stayed for guns... and then I got kinda sad that their victory cutscene wasn’t any different... I mean not even a cross in it to reward my many hours of crusading.
Yeah the victory cutscenes are probably the weakest part of Shogun 2. The Ikko Ikki don’t even have a unique cutscene despite how radically their ideology would change Japan if they actually got into power
Don't forget the Ikkos absolutely busted starting position: 1. Having 2 provinces with an artisan for ranged and a blacksmith for melee units 2. You're close to Kyoto, so you don't have to conquer half of Japan to get your victory 3. Your core provinces are protected by 2 chocepoints (excluding naval invasions)
Hattori is actually a lot better than most give it credit for, and it's not because of ninja. Kisho training when used properly is very potent and can allow hattori to pull off a ton of nasty tricks and unusual army compositions. Those quirky tricks and their chaotic starting position makes them one of the most entertaining campaigns to play, even if the added expense of kisho training keeps them off the top of power rankings.
@@Naraku-no-Hana-WE of for sure veteran plays can deal with it but yeah generally most players have a tough time as them, their early game is decent though and there’s some options to deal with the Ikko and Oda, definitely a fun campaign like you mentioned
Agreed, had a good campaign with Hattori. Kisho allows for better terrain composition, such as in forests and to flank the enemy. Something that any samurai army should be able to do (Watch the epic series "Zipangu" for some good Oda and samurai content).
1:14 10 times? Are you mad? I have to watch it at least 20 times, so that I may truly admire the glory that is the matchlock rifles! Also cause, he's just really good at editing his videos.
As an Ottomo player I really enjoy defensive sieges. Those Tercos are just devastating if you find a good spot where you can put a double stacked Yari Wall in front of the wall. 300-400 kills are normal.
as a date player thats all basically true. Imo they have the greatest or one of the greatest positions in the game and their no-dachi are so powerful they can route Samurai within seconds
Honestly, Uesiga is my favorite clan because of the challenge, but also their history, taking on the Takeda and allies, nearly killing the leader after ambushing him when the Takeda leader thought he was ambuahing the Uesigi, and the fact that their leader (not gonna slander his name) would have been the guy to stop the Oda clan if he didn't die early on, but he was a beast
@@AvengerAtIlipa I just start the campaign by building an early fleet and army, then I sink the entire army of the honma when they're on sea with said fleet. Secure the island, which is one of the most profitable regions on the map and trade with everyone along the coastline, then when the Hojo or someone else declares war on my vassal I ofc come to there rescue... Unfortunately I just come one turn too late to help them defend but in an effort to avenge them I sweep the Hojo. So I end up with a line from the north right to the south coast. I make friends with the Takeda and whoever is on the west. Then I continue to sweep the east side. When I'm done with the Date I hold a third of Japan, you have about 15 regions and only need to look west. Make your military and economy ready for the push toward Kyoto and the realm divide.
As a Christian I can both Confirm this, and specify that I play Turtle on Kyushu until blitzkreig-ing the Japanese Mainland within a 30-35 year period.
Hattori upkeep costs? We need higher upkeep costs so that we don't dominate with our hundreds of (incorrectly statted) Ninjas while also assassinating all your generals.
seems we are a rare breed, high levels of kisho ninja agents assassinate all generals and daimyo in your way, weakening the army morale fightibg withouy their leader so easy to break and if outnumbered, night battles are your forte dishing them one by one
You were right on with the Takeda watching cav run them down while retreating. I literally will press continue battle just to make sure I kill as many as I can before the battle ends.
I'm a Hojo player and I love the let them come tactics, as we fire them the artillery then meet them with gun and spikes when they arrive. Edit: I also love the explosion effects and sieges
I love the hattori and your right about the ninja cutsceens, ive seen them all so many time and they never get old. Also i did a head to head with my friend and killed every one of his agents on spawn and all his generals. What you gonna do now? Cry? XD im a little sadistic
Uesugi was the 1st clan i won the campaign with, but I enjoy Tokugawa the most. After this film and your tier list I feel like i am some kind of masochist (Mori was my 3rd campaign xD)
My 1st as well! Someone who likes the unorthodox I see! Got to admit ikko ikki is tided for me. pirate naval monks or angry peasants with monks! The unit roster versatility of ikko ikki is undeniable. ronin are a trap mind. whistling arrows & war cry are so good! I personally don't oda shimazu et cetera as it is 1 or 2 unit's spammed.
I played a few clans before uesugi but they bored me to take pauses. 2nd was Hojo then 3rd completion ikko iki. I never completed the Hotori, fun to conquer but boring to play!
uesugi are so fun as you will not make the whole army monk warriors, monk bows & under rated though not great monk cavalry. I much prefer a varied unit roster. Edit: I have a personnel soft spot for mori & Hojo as their unintentionally poorly designed unique faction army units are meh/impractical to spam. variety is the spice of life.
I think a fair number of Shogun 1 vets probably played Uesugi first in Shogun 2. They were something of a fan favorite in 1 and a lot of a folks underestimated how challenging they would be in 2
I like the Tokugawa the best... and you are right: I am a history nerd, who loves to play diplomaticly. XD But I also enjoy being in the underdog position with little buffs for my troupes. It forces me to be creative and I can find new ways to mess with the AI both in diplomacy and on the battlefield. Ieyatsu would be proud indeed! ;P
Concerning Oda fans, disregard everything in this video. They just like to cheat. Also, Ikko Ikki: You don't care about realm divide because everyone's fighting you anyway.
I haven't gotten to that point, but to be honest given how people hate the Ikko anyway... 'The rest of the clans have declared war upon us, My Lord!' 'What other clans?' '...The Hojo.' 'And?' 'Just the Hojo, and a errant cabbage farmer.'
I really liked how you not only placed jokes about every choice(as how it usually goes), but also made some genuine predictions based on your experience
Ashikaga Shogunate: You downloaded a mod to use unplayable factions because the forbidden entices you. Why overtake the old order when you can become them? Unfortunately you forgot that when a player holds Kyoto for 1 turn, realm divide happens. You quickly perished.
Man, first time I've seen the vanilla map in a while. Have been playing a Chosokabe campaign with the expanded Japan mod (among others) - the initial task of securing Shikoku was far from easy. I could have easily lost - held onto my capital by the skin of its teeth when I found myself at war with 3 of my 4 neighbouring clans. So different.
Uesugi is my favourite clan. Very satisfying to see Naginata Monks carve their way through any and all enemy infantry. The Bow monks take care of the rest. They are the only clan with which I almost lost a campaign. The biggest challenge I've faced in this game and hence the most enjoyable. Very rewarding experience when it is difficult. Part of the reason I love them is that I didn't think they looked very cool at the beginning compared to the Shimazu Samurai armies for example, but they completely turned it around for me when the monks started slaying everyone.
I love Takeda clan, wipe out every one with Takeda Fire cav, so they are my fav. Or Otomo and take japan in the name of the lord and Guns. Also, you explained me playing Takeda to well.
The Otomo pill comes with the side effect of using pike and shot early. It's fun watching guns and spears march hand in hand and rout everything in front of them.
I actually enjoyed the Hattori play style of vanguard deployments. I now mostly play Shimazu and Oda primarily because my love for the Hattori caused my brother to quit Total War games forever after a 1v1 battle that saw his forces massacred. I'm still saddened to this day.
The thing I like about Otomo is the Churches no I'm not kidding, it's just that spreading your religion to annoy your neighbor is just sadistic way to hurt them and priest more priest
Oda was spot on. All you need is a few naginata samurai, a literal wall of yari ashigaru, and a mix of bow and matchlock ashigaru and you're unstoppable.
Im that mf who loves spamming BANZAI with no dachi samurai and loves takeda cav, whats funny is that i like the teutonic dlc for medieval 2 mainly cuz i love useing ritterbrudder cavalry
TripleZHacker:"Oda fans like to blitz through the campaign" Me who spend a lot of time playing with Oda every time, because I can't manage my fundings:"He, he's absolutely right...what he said is literally me"
the most op is the oba for the fearsome and powerful long yari but I like to play with dates ... it's nice to see how your men massacre everything that is in their way and shout BAZAIIIIIIII glorious very glorious
bro as a historian, you really hit me on playing the Tokugawa trying to replicate history accurately 😂 ngl when I first played Shogun 2, i chose the Tokugawa 😂
That's some nice descriptions, I'll just add that we Shimazu players just find Kyushu too comfy and we can't resist it! I even go as far as not going into mainland Japan and do some invasions only to liberate vassals and help them taking over Japan for me... We're just that lazy. Or is it just me?
So my first (maiden) campain in Shogun2 is Date. And I must admit that the slow build up and crush them gameplan was what I was trying to do xD. (Although I feel I still focus on honor as well)
Chosokabe player, reporting for duty. My favorite unit is the Daikyu Bow Samurai; their range is longer, meaning I can take castles without a single friendly casualty from archers.
Spot on as a Chosokabe main. I enjoy watching them die a slow painful gruesome death. I also enjoy playing stax in MTG. We're just all around horrible people.
As a Uesugi player, I was hoping maybe you talked about betrayal because seriously, back to back turns other clans slowly declaring war even if you re allies.
@@TripleZHacker I feel that too but the AI just doesn't like the Uesugi, every front is aggressive towards you, Takeda agreessive mfs honma Beach landing ftw and your vassal gets stepped on everytime 😂
@@TripleZHacker thanks for the heart. And greetings from germany. My favourites are the Date. But not dir Banzai because i love Sengoku Basara and the Charakter Masamune Date. But no Idea how I get him in the Campaign as General
I have a very guilty pleasure of playing Takeda. And I don't think it's just because I'm a Medieval Total War fan, but, I think I just want to see them win.
Here's my situation Played shogun 2 despite no experience except in other total war games (still little experience to rome 2 and medieval 2, except warhammer 1.) "Uesugi seems fun, imma take it on a legendary difficulty" *Takeda* *More Takeda* *Slap Takeda, hello Ikko Ikki* *Good bye Ikko Ikki, hello Oda* *15 full stacks of Oda army* And that's how the rest of my first 120 turns went hellish
Shimazu is my favourite clan YEP! 100% accurate, my late game armies are 50/50 katana samurai and heavy gunners. Oda is my second favourite. Why? I just really hate cav. Also a bit of heresy here lmao; Mori colours > Takeda colours (imo)
Honestly, I mostly play as Tokugawa, bc I am a student of japanese Studies and history (so felt a little bit caught when you mentioned historians haha), and pretty annoyed if anything unhistoric happens. But I also like playing the oda or the Uesugi (I have a crush on sohei (warrior monks)). I've never played otomo, bc these are corrupted by the god of the southern babarians, but I like the Ikko-Ikki, religious fanatism is fun and like I said I have a crush on warrior monks. Expecially with Naginatas. Oh how I love Naginatas! But Bow Warrior Monks are also pretty cool.
"You are a medieval 2: Total War fan". I actually played that first, then played Shogun 2, and got real confused at why my general's bodyguard wasn't the most powerful unit in my army. still like Takeda, and the challenge that comes with the clan.
Yeah it's a big difference and one that took me a while to get used to as well. The Takeda are great, I love cav, as Medieval 2 was what I've played the most until Shogun 2.
As an Otomo player, I can say that we're actually just pretending were playing ETW
Oh my god you’re right. Why didn’t I think of this lol
Yep. I just want musket battles again..
That hits home way too hard
I know right? Otomo is ETW done right basically
Nah I just want to blow shit up and use badass muskets, ETW sucks. 0tomo forever.
Chosokabe: you play England in Medieval 2
And wood elves
Yeah both in starting positions, the expansion rate and bow spams.
Nah dude i only play tutonic and isengard on daq hehe
Damn you got me there
agincourt simulator
I'm sorry peasants.. the ninja cutscenes demand heavier taxes
Lol
Every other clan: We have you surrounded
Some monk bois with a sweet orange mon: Don't threaten me with a good time *loads tanegashima with extreme religious intent*
Some weird christisn boys from Kyushu: *Loads twice as many tanegashima with twice the religious intent*
@@Borthax Some weird christian boys from Kyushu: *FIFE AND DRUM SOUNDS INTENSIFIES*
Oda Nobunaga worshipped guns
@@krieger8825He loves everything that came from the West
*loads European Cannons and Blunderbusses with very malicious intent*
1:14 an unexpected surprise but a welcomed one! Thank you dude! Loved the video :D
Ahh welcome and thank you so much dude you’re videos are truly on another level that how could I not mention them! :)
A blessing from the pewpew lord himself!
Omg he is commenting 🙀
Yooooo did Not expect to see you here
DATE ADVISOR: "Sir, our enemies have missile advantage. We should carefully observe the battlefield and position our troops in a ways so that we could avoid unnecessary ...."
DATE GENERAL: "BANZAI"
DATE ADVISOR: "eh, who cares. BANZAI"
BANZAI indeed :D For Tyr! ehm... For Bishamon!
BANZAAAAIIIII!!
Oda Nobunaga is my man, I'll take over the world with peasants wielding pointy sticks.
Ashigarus in the oda clan didnt use sticks lol
Or Woman. just saying
@@Vince120D nobunaga isnt a woman
@@Vince120D you're not very smart are you
Oda Nobunaga is the Best!
As a player who mains Uesugi, you can keep your money. We are proud to fight under the Bishamonten (毘) and Dragon (龍) uma- jirushi (banner). We fight for one of the most honorable and charismatic daimyos of the Sengoku period; the god of war himself, Uesugi Kenshin (Nagao Kagetora). He, despite being a young daimyo, was as formidable as Takeda Shingen in terms of generalship and administration and was one of the few who scored victories against the Oda clan (Battle of Tedorigawa).
We’re not masochists. There is a saying during the Three Kingdoms about Liu Bei’s Shu, “the path of Heaven is hard.” We also tread the same path because of the stupid unholy Takeda-Hojo-Imagawa alliance. But, hey, at least the Uesugi wasn’t dumb to charge entrenched massed arquebusiers in battle.
takeda roasts
Uh...yea! Definitely not because I like money...and berserk sword-spear monks...
@@plot6520 weak roast tbh. The only reason Uesugi Kenshin is associated with the sohei was because he was a devout Buddhist. He only allied himself with the Ikko-Ikki sometime in 1575 because Nobunaga was becoming too powerful. Other clans have more prominent ties with monk sects than the Uesugi. Mori (Shogun TW got this right), Asai, Asakura, and Tokugawa had more prominent ties with sohei sects.
As for the trade bonus clan trait, it's inspired by an incident of chivalry between Kenshin and Shingen. When rival daimyos (Imagawa?) conspired to deprive Kai, a land-locked province, of salt, Kenshin implored Shingen to source salt from Echigo. This appears as a dilemma in the game.
@@marvinm8343 How did I say anything as a roast? Those were my genuine reasons for playing the faction.
@@plot6520 sorry, my bad. r/woosh moment.
Another descriptions for date clan: The infantry version of takeda players who prefer mass foot soldiers charging enemies, but still opt for at least 4 yari cavalry for flanking. They also love waiting because it takes forever to travel the eastern lands.
Why do you think he said you love patient campaign? Because of that long ass territory of the Date
this is 100% true
i prefer date for the easy start and kinda early stone (if you play quickly and aggressively) and its always alot of fun watching no-datchai charge from 1 side while cave destroys from the other
As a guy who main Shimazu, you're pretty spot on about me.
Same
Same
Same
I agree
I agree with you.
The Shimazu have all what I like about the Samurai ... the red armor and ocus on Katana.
their spirit (in game) is like that of a wolverine, or a honey badger, so they match my craziness lol
Otomo player : "praise Jesus,or you get guns and Jesus inside you"
"It is the job of God to forgive you, and it is my job to arrange a meeting!"
The better cavalry is a nice bonus, but what I love about Takeda is that sweet red armour. I also love the Date color scheme, dark blue and gold. That's how I paint my Dark Elf tabletop units. Or used to anyway.
Agreed, I love both their colors a lot!
Ah Oda, nothing like wiping away the age of the samurai with vast armies of simple spearmen
After watching Kagemusha, I gained a new appreciation for the Takedas. Shingen was really a great warrior and it's one of the many tragedies of the Sengoku-jidai that he died besieging Noda Castle instead of fighting in battle.
I'm falling in love with the Takeda clan when I watched that film♥️
Great film (Kurosawa + George Lucas), Guns > Horses. Also if you haven't seen it, see "Heaven and Earth" (1990), will appreciate the Takeda & Uesugi relationship. Great depiction of the Battle of Kawanakajima.
It's a great movie. Keep in mind the events portrayed represent one popular theory of what occurred but should not be taken as historical fact. We know little about Shingen's use of body doubles and even less about when and where he died, only that the siege ended in a disastrous defeat for the Takeda who wouldn't push back out from Kai until Katsuyori disobeyed his advisors.
Akira Kurosawa is just awesome. Amazing to see people mention him here
Shimazu: 0:13
Chosokabe: 0:38
Otomo: 1:10
Mori: 1:48
Hattori: 2:14
Ikko Ikki: 3:01
Oda: 3:40
Tokugawa: 4:11
Takeda: 4:33
Uesugi: 5:10
Hojo: 5:38
Date: 6:06
It's crazy that Uesugi is the most difficult clan in Total War but the easiest clan to reunify Japan in EU4.
Not gonna lie as a lonely Hattori lover I could only smile and nod sheepishly
And for obvious reasons no likes
You're not alone
Not sure why Hattori don’t get more love. Your whole army gets Kisho training and you can do some bonkers stuff with that
bigger upkeep cost? who cares we can spam military acces
Hattori player here, with massed armies of yari and bow ashigaru.
Takeda: you watched the Rohirrim charge from Lord of the Rings too many times.
Also true
Currently on a uesugi run and I own all of eastern japan while managing against the Christians in the west. Honestly the easiest run I've ever done. It's all about forcing the other clans to your will. When they ask for peace, make them a vassal. should they refuse, take another province. Trade with them on top of the tribute. Bribe them to join your wars and let them die for you. Then retake the land they lost from the battered and weak clan that ended your vassal and then make the new clan your next vassal. I will restore shinto to all japan.... with the most dishonorable daimyo.
As of this day i still play Uesugi, hoping to one day will win.
Just survive early game and then dominate with the power of faith and naginatas, Uesugi rise up!
@@ShallowTeal i manage to build nanban quarter as uesugi guns and canons for the win
@@fathurrahman9355 You have to go christian to build the nanban quarter
First faction i nailed a very hard with ironically
Expand through date territory, claim date armoury, afk for 20 turns and let your +5 armor monk bois go brr on takeda.
As a catholic I always liked Otomo the most.. There is something really cool in Samurai crusaders..
Deus Vult!!
I always convert Shimazu
Deus Vult!
why not convert another clan then?
the Takeda with their Cavalry are closer to what a Crusader would be.
Not a Christian but these heathens need to taste some Faith, Gunpowder & Steel.
Ah the Otomo... I came for God, I stayed for guns... and then I got kinda sad that their victory cutscene wasn’t any different... I mean not even a cross in it to reward my many hours of crusading.
Yeah the victory cutscenes are probably the weakest part of Shogun 2. The Ikko Ikki don’t even have a unique cutscene despite how radically their ideology would change Japan if they actually got into power
Don't forget the Ikkos absolutely busted starting position:
1. Having 2 provinces with an artisan for ranged and a blacksmith for melee units
2. You're close to Kyoto, so you don't have to conquer half of Japan to get your victory
3. Your core provinces are protected by 2 chocepoints (excluding naval invasions)
Hattori is actually a lot better than most give it credit for, and it's not because of ninja. Kisho training when used properly is very potent and can allow hattori to pull off a ton of nasty tricks and unusual army compositions. Those quirky tricks and their chaotic starting position makes them one of the most entertaining campaigns to play, even if the added expense of kisho training keeps them off the top of power rankings.
Yeah good points I mean again any player can dominate with any clan but that upkeep is too tough on those harder difficulties
@@TripleZHacker it's definitely a big factor, but not insurmountable. But yeah it will keep them overlooked by a lot of players
@@Naraku-no-Hana-WE of for sure veteran plays can deal with it but yeah generally most players have a tough time as them, their early game is decent though and there’s some options to deal with the Ikko and Oda, definitely a fun campaign like you mentioned
Agreed, had a good campaign with Hattori. Kisho allows for better terrain composition, such as in forests and to flank the enemy. Something that any samurai army should be able to do (Watch the epic series "Zipangu" for some good Oda and samurai content).
Playing as Shimazu. Christina fanatic who actually wanted to play as Otomo but their flag isn't a cross
Why don't just convert to Catholicism
Just started their campaign for the first time, is it worthwhile to go Christian or should I stay Shinto?
1:14 10 times? Are you mad? I have to watch it at least 20 times, so that I may truly admire the glory that is the matchlock rifles!
Also cause, he's just really good at editing his videos.
Ikr the dude is on another level with those edits
And the dank memes make the video timeless
20? Those are rookie numbers boyo
As a hojo player you forgot we also enjoy defensive sieges.
nothing beats the ol' "oh look, they're sendng their Daimyo up the wall now" feeling.
@@captainnyet9855 mhm indeed
As an Ottomo player I really enjoy defensive sieges. Those Tercos are just devastating if you find a good spot where you can put a double stacked Yari Wall in front of the wall.
300-400 kills are normal.
@@captainnyet9855 So true, in my game the Ai was dumb enough to send Takeda Shingen up the wall
as a date player thats all basically true. Imo they have the greatest or one of the greatest positions in the game and their no-dachi are so powerful they can route Samurai within seconds
Wake up, play Oda, relive the glory of a peasant army, day good
Honestly, Uesiga is my favorite clan because of the challenge, but also their history, taking on the Takeda and allies, nearly killing the leader after ambushing him when the Takeda leader thought he was ambuahing the Uesigi, and the fact that their leader (not gonna slander his name) would have been the guy to stop the Oda clan if he didn't die early on, but he was a beast
I never really considered that the Uesugi were all that difficult. They have the best Daimyo imo.
I love Kenshin but they just have a tough early game imo and not much time to prepare or develop before it
@@TripleZHacker The worst part about the Uesugi are the Yamanouchi. If they didn't exist, it'd be a much more enjoyable campaign.
@@AvengerAtIlipa I just start the campaign by building an early fleet and army, then I sink the entire army of the honma when they're on sea with said fleet. Secure the island, which is one of the most profitable regions on the map and trade with everyone along the coastline, then when the Hojo or someone else declares war on my vassal I ofc come to there rescue... Unfortunately I just come one turn too late to help them defend but in an effort to avenge them I sweep the Hojo. So I end up with a line from the north right to the south coast. I make friends with the Takeda and whoever is on the west. Then I continue to sweep the east side. When I'm done with the Date I hold a third of Japan, you have about 15 regions and only need to look west. Make your military and economy ready for the push toward Kyoto and the realm divide.
Me before watching as a Hojo and Shimazu fan: No way he knows me
Describes me to the exact detail when Hojo comes up lol
I was gonna say for the Otomo "You are a Christian IRL and picked them up because they're Christian... and then you saw their guns"
Ahahaha so true
As a Christian I can both Confirm this, and specify that I play Turtle on Kyushu until blitzkreig-ing the Japanese Mainland within a 30-35 year period.
Blitzkrieg is good stradegy for conquer
Good God you know what? You were absolutely right lol
Practicing Catholic, can confirm. _Take your Samurai on a Crusade,_ amirite?
Otomo = DESU VULT
you know Deus means god right?
@@bokonoo77 I know. And you didn't get the joke desu.
@@KyoushaPumpItUp I know the joke. Deus and Desu both start with the same word.
But Desu Vult lacks spirit, faith, and will
Hattori upkeep costs? We need higher upkeep costs so that we don't dominate with our hundreds of (incorrectly statted) Ninjas while also assassinating all your generals.
seems we are a rare breed, high levels of kisho ninja agents assassinate all generals and daimyo in your way, weakening the army morale fightibg withouy their leader so easy to break and if outnumbered, night battles are your forte dishing them one by one
Just have to go for the gold.
You were right on with the Takeda watching cav run them down while retreating. I literally will press continue battle just to make sure I kill as many as I can before the battle ends.
The only way to battle
I'm a Hojo player and I love the let them come tactics, as we fire them the artillery then meet them with gun and spikes when they arrive.
Edit: I also love the explosion effects and sieges
Yup siege explosions are the best (:
I love the hattori and your right about the ninja cutsceens, ive seen them all so many time and they never get old. Also i did a head to head with my friend and killed every one of his agents on spawn and all his generals. What you gonna do now? Cry? XD im a little sadistic
They’re some of the best cutscenes in the whole total war series and ooof that’s cruel but also practical 😂
As an Otomo player, I pretend that Portugal is colonizing Japan...it feels Good.
Otomo players be like:
"I have the power of God and anime on my side AAAAA"
lol
Fukking Otomo be listening to Sabaton's Last Stand
It’s true
Uesugi was the 1st clan i won the campaign with, but I enjoy Tokugawa the most. After this film and your tier list I feel like i am some kind of masochist (Mori was my 3rd campaign xD)
My 1st as well!
Someone who likes the unorthodox I see! Got to admit ikko ikki is tided for me.
pirate naval monks or angry peasants with monks! The unit roster versatility of ikko ikki is undeniable. ronin are a trap mind. whistling arrows & war cry are so good!
I personally don't oda shimazu et cetera as it is 1 or 2 unit's spammed.
I played a few clans before uesugi but they bored me to take pauses. 2nd was Hojo then 3rd completion ikko iki.
I never completed the Hotori, fun to conquer but boring to play!
uesugi are so fun as you will not make the whole army monk warriors, monk bows & under rated though not great monk cavalry.
I much prefer a varied unit roster. Edit: I have a personnel soft spot for mori & Hojo as their unintentionally poorly designed unique faction army units are meh/impractical to spam.
variety is the spice of life.
I think a fair number of Shogun 1 vets probably played Uesugi first in Shogun 2. They were something of a fan favorite in 1 and a lot of a folks underestimated how challenging they would be in 2
I like the Tokugawa the best... and you are right: I am a history nerd, who loves to play diplomaticly. XD
But I also enjoy being in the underdog position with little buffs for my troupes. It forces me to be creative and I can find new ways to mess with the AI both in diplomacy and on the battlefield. Ieyatsu would be proud indeed! ;P
Ah yes an underdog position is a good way to put it and who doesn’t love an underdog!
As an otomo lover you were absolutely right even with the otomo experience 😁
Just found your channel! Great video, subscribed. I personally am a Date player, easily my favorite
Welcome and thanks a bunch :) hahaha yes banzai!!
I like Date because they allow me to charge cowards (with Bulletproof samurai) who use cowardly gunpowder weapons instead of steel.
Concerning Oda fans, disregard everything in this video. They just like to cheat.
Also, Ikko Ikki: You don't care about realm divide because everyone's fighting you anyway.
Talking shit about oda ?? I smell takeda shit
Yeah, cheating by looking into Wallenstein and Tilly.
Catholic League Terico rules !
I haven't gotten to that point, but to be honest given how people hate the Ikko anyway...
'The rest of the clans have declared war upon us, My Lord!'
'What other clans?'
'...The Hojo.'
'And?'
'Just the Hojo, and a errant cabbage farmer.'
Mori use to be the smith/warrior monk lords of the first Shogun. In Shogun 2 you build that fleet and go after that black ship.
As a Tokugawa player you got me. Legit roleplay so hard I make peace with Oda then ally with them and expand to the east for a bit.
5:41 it's so beautiful
Yup, found the Hojo player here...
I really liked how you not only placed jokes about every choice(as how it usually goes), but also made some genuine predictions based on your experience
Thanks man I try my best :)
@@TripleZHacker keep up, I'm sure you'll have lots of subs ^^
Let other march. We RIDE, we FLY. Like STORM in the mountains we THUNDER in battle!
Ashikaga Shogunate: You downloaded a mod to use unplayable factions because the forbidden entices you. Why overtake the old order when you can become them? Unfortunately you forgot that when a player holds Kyoto for 1 turn, realm divide happens. You quickly perished.
XD
*Oooof*
I'd like to see Volund survive that one; less 'Impossible Battles' and more 'Impossible Series of Battles'.
Man, first time I've seen the vanilla map in a while. Have been playing a Chosokabe campaign with the expanded Japan mod (among others) - the initial task of securing Shikoku was far from easy. I could have easily lost - held onto my capital by the skin of its teeth when I found myself at war with 3 of my 4 neighbouring clans. So different.
The campaign with mods is amazing so I don’t blame you for always sticking to expanded Japan!
@@TripleZHacker The first one I played on it was the Uesugi and... well, your video remains fairly accurate in that regard, lol
@@TripleZHacker I am now playing again, this time as the Uesugi again, and I've managed it better this time and rule half of Japan lol
Hojo fans always play as the Empire in Total War: Warhammer? False! ...I play the Dwarves! The Hojo start with GOLD after all!
the kisho training of hattori lets you go for hyper-aggresive nodachi-based armies that no other clan can afford to field, not even the date.
Uesugi is my favourite clan. Very satisfying to see Naginata Monks carve their way through any and all enemy infantry. The Bow monks take care of the rest. They are the only clan with which I almost lost a campaign. The biggest challenge I've faced in this game and hence the most enjoyable. Very rewarding experience when it is difficult. Part of the reason I love them is that I didn't think they looked very cool at the beginning compared to the Shimazu Samurai armies for example, but they completely turned it around for me when the monks started slaying everyone.
I love Takeda clan, wipe out every one with Takeda Fire cav, so they are my fav. Or Otomo and take japan in the name of the lord and Guns.
Also, you explained me playing Takeda to well.
Well yes, I do enjoy praising the Lord and shooting these cannons. And yes, we will make Kyoto a holy city
I managed to take Kyoto with 3 Tercos, 4 Donerbuss cav and 2 cannons. Was a long but fun fight kiting them around with the cav!
The Otomo pill comes with the side effect of using pike and shot early. It's fun watching guns and spears march hand in hand and rout everything in front of them.
"HATTORI: you don't exist."
Me, from somewhere you cannot see:
"And that is how we like it."
I actually enjoyed the Hattori play style of vanguard deployments. I now mostly play Shimazu and Oda primarily because my love for the Hattori caused my brother to quit Total War games forever after a 1v1 battle that saw his forces massacred. I'm still saddened to this day.
Sorry for your loss convince him to play again xD
@@TripleZHacker I've tried for 10 years with almost every release. I don't think he's coming back. Lol. But thanks for commenting back.
The thing I like about Otomo is the Churches no I'm not kidding, it's just that spreading your religion to annoy your neighbor is just sadistic way to hurt them and priest more priest
_Spread the _*_WORD OF THE LORD! _**_-DESU-_**_ DEUS VULT!_*
Hospital can refill yr troop so fast that u can yell waggggghhhhhhhh when invading yr enemies
as an avarage hattori enjoyer, I must say that we have NEVER ever skipped ninja cutscenes
Oda was spot on. All you need is a few naginata samurai, a literal wall of yari ashigaru, and a mix of bow and matchlock ashigaru and you're unstoppable.
So glad I found your channel now that MrSmartDonkey has abandoned the Shogun ^^
Happy to make shogun 2 content and he’s a great creator though definitely watched most of his videos
I think every clan will said this to me:
"SHAMEFUR DISPRAY"
The Date are my favorite because of Date Harumune's helmet, but the nodachi samurai are a nice touch.
imagine, JUST IMAGINE, if Oda gave swords to his ashigaru, ikko ikki style... a sea of yellow piranas flooding Japan
As an Otomo and a Shimazu main, this is really accurate (Also, if you are an Otomo main, you probably love the Medieval 2: America DLC)
Im that mf who loves spamming BANZAI with no dachi samurai and loves takeda cav, whats funny is that i like the teutonic dlc for medieval 2 mainly cuz i love useing ritterbrudder cavalry
Ikko is exactly me. Due to mods having wars on 3 to 4 seperate fronts and rebellions everywhere beyond my borders because of the faith is beautiful.
TripleZHacker:"Oda fans like to blitz through the campaign"
Me who spend a lot of time playing with Oda every time, because I can't manage my fundings:"He, he's absolutely right...what he said is literally me"
Also Oda fans love Drifters anime...really wtf happened to that anime, where is season 2????
@@hiluminatul6750 its coming in 2021 maybe
chokusabe
Ikko Ikki players were the guys who modded in Rebels in RTW and M2TW, and I can respect that
As a Tokugawa player I must say you were spot on.
Chokosabe: you have mastered the tutorial campaign.
I'm a simple man, I have No-Dachi, I scream "BANZAI!!!!"
the most op is the oba for the fearsome and powerful long yari
but I like to play with dates ... it's nice to see how your men massacre everything that is in their way and shout BAZAIIIIIIII
glorious very glorious
bro as a historian, you really hit me on playing the Tokugawa trying to replicate history accurately 😂 ngl when I first played Shogun 2, i chose the Tokugawa 😂
I played Shimazu first back in 1999, never had another favourite.
Update. Do like the Otomo... like them indeed.
Seeing different version of Oda in FGO and Nobunaga's ambition: Ah I see, you're a man of culture as well
Nobunaga from Drifters: Am I a joke to you?
That's some nice descriptions, I'll just add that we Shimazu players just find Kyushu too comfy and we can't resist it! I even go as far as not going into mainland Japan and do some invasions only to liberate vassals and help them taking over Japan for me... We're just that lazy. Or is it just me?
So my first (maiden) campain in Shogun2 is Date. And I must admit that the slow build up and crush them gameplan was what I was trying to do xD. (Although I feel I still focus on honor as well)
Oda: You love this clan because every other clan you've played is PAIN. Also, you watched The Ambition of Oda Nobuna too many times.
Chosokabe player, reporting for duty. My favorite unit is the Daikyu Bow Samurai; their range is longer, meaning I can take castles without a single friendly casualty from archers.
Spot on as a Chosokabe main. I enjoy watching them die a slow painful gruesome death. I also enjoy playing stax in MTG. We're just all around horrible people.
Lmao
My favourite is Mori... because their flag is cool. Nice aesthetic. Enjoyable atmosphere. Simple design. Good.
As a Uesugi player, I was hoping maybe you talked about betrayal because seriously, back to back turns other clans slowly declaring war even if you re allies.
Oooof good point, tbh I feel like that happens to me as any clan on the harder difficulties lol
@@TripleZHacker I feel that too but the AI just doesn't like the Uesugi, every front is aggressive towards you, Takeda agreessive mfs honma Beach landing ftw and your vassal gets stepped on everytime 😂
@@henriquegoncalves749 Yeah every time Jinbo, Takeda, Hojo, Honma, and Imagawa, also Ikko potentially all declare war on you so quickly
The easiest are still Shimazu when it Start right Date and Chosokabe. For the First Two its going only in one direction. Forward for Honor and Glory!
@@TripleZHacker thanks for the heart. And greetings from germany. My favourites are the Date. But not dir Banzai because i love Sengoku Basara and the Charakter Masamune Date. But no Idea how I get him in the Campaign as General
What windows do you run this in? I've been trying to play this game for 1 year now I tried mostly everything it wont open
PT-91 Twardy loves Mori Motonari and his fish helmet
Oda: you can't beat my peasant army! Hahaha!
Me: *beating a samurai army with my veteran ashigaru army XD
I have a very guilty pleasure of playing Takeda. And I don't think it's just because I'm a Medieval Total War fan, but, I think I just want to see them win.
This video has the same effect as a waiter going over the menu at a fancy restaurant
Here's my situation
Played shogun 2 despite no experience except in other total war games (still little experience to rome 2 and medieval 2, except warhammer 1.)
"Uesugi seems fun, imma take it on a legendary difficulty"
*Takeda*
*More Takeda*
*Slap Takeda, hello Ikko Ikki*
*Good bye Ikko Ikki, hello Oda*
*15 full stacks of Oda army*
And that's how the rest of my first 120 turns went hellish
"Of course this is all in good fun and not to be taken seriously."
We'll see about that *insert raging and needless insulting here*
Shimazu is my favourite clan YEP! 100% accurate, my late game armies are 50/50 katana samurai and heavy gunners.
Oda is my second favourite. Why? I just really hate cav.
Also a bit of heresy here lmao; Mori colours > Takeda colours (imo)
Honestly, I mostly play as Tokugawa, bc I am a student of japanese Studies and history (so felt a little bit caught when you mentioned historians haha), and pretty annoyed if anything unhistoric happens. But I also like playing the oda or the Uesugi (I have a crush on sohei (warrior monks)). I've never played otomo, bc these are corrupted by the god of the southern babarians, but I like the Ikko-Ikki, religious fanatism is fun and like I said I have a crush on warrior monks. Expecially with Naginatas. Oh how I love Naginatas! But Bow Warrior Monks are also pretty cool.
Our men are running from the battlefield... Sh-sh-SHAMEFUL DISPLAAAYY!
date is my favourite followed by uesugi, u were spot on with date, sounds exactly like me🤣
1:43 Nice reference man, and nice video i just brought Shogun 2 and its good
As a Chosokabe player, this is 100% accurate.
"You are a medieval 2: Total War fan". I actually played that first, then played Shogun 2, and got real confused at why my general's bodyguard wasn't the most powerful unit in my army. still like Takeda, and the challenge that comes with the clan.
Yeah it's a big difference and one that took me a while to get used to as well. The Takeda are great, I love cav, as Medieval 2 was what I've played the most until Shogun 2.