I have never in my life seen a movie/show, and thought "Man, I wish one of these characters looked like me and represented me". All I've ever cared about is a good story, and for it to be entertaining.
That's because of your huwhite privilege, toxic masculinity, homophobia, transphobia, racist fascism, I can tell you didn't take lesbian dance theory in college you bigot.
If i´ve been watching Action-Movies, i´ve tried sometimes to imagine, how i would stand in such fight-scences if i had the places swapped with the main-protagonist - and i´ve always came to the quick conclusion, that i´ve wouldn´t even survived two seconds. i root for the characters and not for seeing myself in there. for this i have a mirror to look into.
As a black man I *_RESENT_* the notion that I need to see characters that look like me in order to relate to them, as if all the non-black characters I've looked up to to this point weren't FOR me. Aragorn was written _FOR_ me. Jon Snow was written _FOR_ me. Neo was written _FOR_ me. Aang was written _FOR_ me. I don't want your "representation" characters whose only defining trait is the color of their skin. Keep them. I don't care if every character in every movie or TV show from here until the end of time is white. If they are well-written with relatable human qualities, *_THEY WERE FOR ME._*
@@nickcoltz1526Your question makes literally no sense. What does racism have to do with the context of a character’s traits defined by his/her race?! I swear that’s like the most brainless question I’ve ever heard 🤣
Well, apparently the upcoming generations are so self-centered they need to go "ooh 😶look at that skin, now I can relate to this story despite the empty characterization!" It will truly save many lives
This comment is the best. Wouldn't it be more racist to refrain from identifying with a character because their skin color is different? Growing up in 90s I looked up to numerous black men in music and on screen and can't imagine anything different. I did a project on an important historical figure in middle school on Donovan Bailey. What a world we live in now.
I was one of the biggest Tolkien fans you'll ever meet when I was growing up. I got The Hobbitt for my 8th birthday and devoured it. When I was 12 I found out about LOTR, and proceeded to devour it. Then I read the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, Song of Hurin, and even most of Christopher Tolkien's making-of books. I've since reread them all at least a few times. When Fellowship came out, I was in HS, and I went to see it with my friends on the first day of release, and then 8 more times in theatres. I probably watched the three movies in theatres a combined 20 times, and many more of the extended editions on dvd/Blu ray. When I watch those Tolkien lore videos, I mentally correct the mistakes they make, that's the level of Tolkien nerd that I am. So I should be really hyped for this show, right? Well, from day one they have been crystal clear that they don't care what people like me think. I have absolutely zero interest in this crap. This isn't Star Wars, where Lucas was alive and agreed to sell Lucas film to Disney and implicitly give his approval to the new projects. Tolkien is dead. The canon is closed. This is nothing more than expensive, and bad, fan-fiction.
The showrunners aren't even fans in the first place for this to be called a "fan-fiction". It's only a corporation that wants another 'Game of Thrones' using the good name of Professor Tolkien. It's sad, really.
@@SanaRaskolnikova88 yeah, you’re right, fan fiction isn’t even the right term, because they’re not fans. i like your username btw, crime and punishment is my favourite book
As a Hispanic female, I spent my tween/teenage years obsessing over lord of the rings. I didn’t see color or gender, just a ton of fantasy and bad assery. I was so immersed and obsessed with it, I created my own fanfic and maps. I had so much fun, and not once did I not feel included by their story. I imagined myself, as the minority girl I was, in their world. Nowadays we are teaching our future generation that they are not included if they are not represented. Wokeness with be the death of our nation.
@@brialapoint2608 Absolutely. They fetishize and sensationalize race, which has no merit attached to it. It's like being born tall, or with brown hair. It comes off as trite and immature when someone makes their race a part of their persona. Of course it's also divisive, but that is evidently part of the plan
Why does a woman have to act like a man to be empowered? Peter Jackson's female characters were extremely powerful and they carried themselves with grace and elegance. To say that a woman has to act more masculine to be strong is making the assumption that women are inherently weak
Isn't it amazing how, the best fantasy authors are the ones who seem to be very intelligent and understand the human condition, spiritual motifs very well.
Thank you. Growing up in the 90s, white male, I watched X-men religiously. My favorite X-men was not Wolverine or Cyclops, the ones that “looked like me” but it was Storm, a black female character with an incredible background story and mutant power. Her skin color never even registered to me. Relating to a character has nothing to do with their color, gender, or who they bang, but everything to do with their choices that shape them. I just don’t understand todays media and culture
It may have never registered to you but in the 90s it may have been one of the few positive depictions of blacks that black kids saw in the media. That's why diversity can be very important
I agree with that. Storm was the master of the elements, The one who truly connected to mother earth. Used her powers for the greater good. Looks nothing like me at all. But her character and what she represented made me respect her. This thing today is a shit show.
todays media/writers have very few life experiences of their own to work from so all they have are the agendas/narratives foisted on them by academia. I'm not into comic books or super heroes but Blade is one of my favourite movies ever! I still remember the first time I watched it, Wesley Snipes is so good in that (and many other movies). I love Asian and Indian movies too, because the creators write interesting stories and characters; not once have I ever thought "this would be so much better if people were white" or that I ever need people to look like me in order to relate to them. We should be able to relate to people of different races, sexes, cultures, ethnicities and economic statuses; that's what empathy is for... and we seem to be failing to nurture that in a lot of humans now.
Star Wars Star Trek Doctor Who Marvel James Bond Game of Thrones Terminator Matrix and now LOTR. Every franchise we have loved has been Butchered and Massacred beyond recognition.
Who in their right mind thought that LOTR needed "fixing" to appeal to a modern audience?! It is one of the most reprinted book series ever, in more languages than I have fingers and toes. The folks behind this show are all out of touch, from the actors to the directors to the braindead fans supporting this.
Well this show is created for a small niche of people who don’t care about anything except injecting their politics and views into every aspect of every one on the planets life.
I've put up with a lot of this nonsense for years now But this desecration of Tolkien is a step too far. It's an insult to me as a fan of fantasy and Tolkien fan, it's an insult to me as an English man in particular as it represents real cultural appropriation of English culture by an American corporation. Worst of all it's an insult to the man himself and everything he believed in. It's completely disgusting racism.
I'm also English and I absolutely agree. When I suggested this in the Nerd of the Rings members' chat I was attacked by several of his other members who are mainly American and consequently excluded by one of his mods.
They've pretty much just called Tolkien a racist. They're trying to destroy everything in the West, when they were kneeling for our football I had an English friend in town telling me it was for justice, I said; just wait till they get to soccer.
I am sick and tired of being lectured in entertainment instead of actually entertained. The original LOTR wasn't made for a specific group of people or wasn't diverse enough. It was made for everyone on the planet. It taught us about courage and no matter what evil is afoot, or how small you may think you are, that you can make a difference. Idk who these shows are for and its patronizing for the people they are trying to "represent" for brownie points instead of just making good characters.
I think the most frustrating part is that they keep butchering classic films.. They refuse to make their own “woke” film but instead leech and destroy already established characters and story lines.. 🤦🏾♂️
They have to butcher beloved original content because they know people won't pay to be propagandized with woke bullshit. This is why they've done it with Star Wars, Toy Story, Terminator, and the list goes on. These Hollywood Leftists do it so they'll have something to brag about at their next limousine Leftist party. It's a way of reupping their membership to the cult of wokeism.
I've been a huge fantasy/scifi enthusiast my entire life, and my father was a comic book collector his entire life, so I'm a nerd by blood, not relation. Also, according to THEM, I tick a LOT of boxes...and I'm so sick of the word 'representation'. It's offensive that I'm being spoken for by these weak-minded narcissists. Great characters resonate with people because of their inner attributes and story arcs. I've never had trouble with "not seeing myself". You want my money? Hire writers, directors, and actors that aren't dogshit.
How dare you question the righteous motives of these selfless and brave people who choose to approximate your offense. You should grovel at their sainted feet so sacrosanct be they in their valorous atte-lol, no, sorry. Couldn't keep a straight face. My bad.
I feel the same thing as a Bi guy. I'm tired of people representing homosexual relations between men so...weirdly. They always make us out to either be obnoxious entitled pricks, or sluts that hit on everyone. I'm also tired of having my sexuality used as a get out of jail free card when they need to make a character look diverse. If you want to make a straight white character that's ok! People can like characters that aren't like them. I grew up loving Blade, and I'm about as white as you can get. But that doesn't matter. I didn't grow up thinking " I can't like this cause he's black and I'm not.". I grew up loving how much ass he kicked!
My question then, is what they are doing technically racist? If saying "because your not white like aargorn you cant look up to him, you have to find a black person to identify with", which to me is what this whole woke stuff is with lotr which seems to force people to only identify with their own skin color which seems very racist/segregtory.
The customer service at Amazon is really busy deleting all the negative reviews! I'm boycotting them atm, I deleted my AmazonPrime account, and three of my friends did the same. Hopefully they're gonna get a huge backlash from this trainwreck. My Imdb review was titled: "Necrophilia aka How to desecrate Tolkien's corpse & memory"
Bro, nobody is forcing you to watch the movie. I loved it and I think it's a good series, stop whining and go watch something else that you like. It ain't like you are the one paying for the movie. Your $13 won't be missed boy
There is one thing you can say about Sophia, she sure knows how to tick every box on “The Message” checklist when she speaks. She’s so poor at selling the show, she probably couldn’t sell water to a person dying of thirst.
I honestly cannot stand her. She sounds like a total narcissist. 'Me Me Me Me Me' every time the camera is on her. Someone needs to tell her she is not the first female dwarf too!
@@CountKibblesNBits "And this water represents diversity and it means everything everything to people of color and-" And you interrupt her speech by pushing her on her back and taking the water.
All we want to know is a bit of information about her character, personality and maybe some of Disas life experience... Ironically, 80% of what we get is directly related to the colour of her skin.
She is a living walking woke quote generator. Press play and out come woke talking points ad nauseum. And she will probably never completely repeat herself.
I've been a real Tolkein nerd since I read the triology in 1965. Yes, I'm old. Yes, I've the entire trilogy every year for at least 29 years. And yes, I agree with everything you have claimed, stated and verified, Nerdrotic. Thank you for keeping me sane in the sea of lies and misconceptions regarding Tolkein's work. And BTW, I'm Mexican, and the "lack" of representation never even occurred to me. I felt fully represented as a human being and felt much freer to enter the personae of evles, dwarves, ents and hobbits by not pidgeonholing them as one race/gender or another.
I read the trilogy at the same time you did. By the year 2000 the LOTR books had sold over 50 million copies worldwide. Now they have sold over 150 million copies. Amazon is fucking around with the wrong fan base.
This guy gets it. Full-on fan (which i'm not) taking the work as what it is (a fantasy world based on european folklore) and having been fully embarked in the adventure regardless of his own ethnicity. You sir displayed extreme basic common sense. WILD. cheers ;)
She actually believes she is saving lives and changing the world with her portrayal of a television character. This is Lord of the Rings, but it should renamed The Lord of the Onion Rings.
No she doesn't. She believes that she's gained a platform that's all about her, her perceived identity, and the attention she can gain from it. Anyone buying into gender identity, leftist ideology, and the "Woke" culture as a whole is nothing more than a sponge for as much attention as they can possibly gain. It's an ideology that centers firmly around who can be the most virtuous, heroic, and anti-normative. What you are seeing is Narcissism weaponized into a predatory religion. Nothing more.
Tolkien was a devout fundamental catholic and his books had clear religious meanings. His books were never meant to be woke nor stray from the author's intended message. I was looking forward to this and was going to watch it but after listening to the reviews I will pass. Jeff bezos said he was a big Tolkien fan, but if you are a fan, you need to understand and honor Tolkiens intent and message, and convey this timeless story accurately.
Coming up, a remake of The Name of The Rose, a depiction of multi-ethnic female monks in a 14th century monastery, discussing prominent medieval issues like transgenderism and abortion rights. Inspired by true events.
The best thing is that all those „representative“ actors dont understand that theyre being used purely as marketing tools by amazon. They actually think theyre doing something great and important
actually I think Sophia might be getting a clue about what's gonna happen to her non-career. The ppl around her seem to know to just let her talk and get all the bad vibes
First time I read "The Hobbit" it was in Hebrew. None of the characters kept Kosher, wore yarmulkes, or kept the Sabbath, but SOMEHOW I managed to become totally immersed by and enthralled with the tales (PERHAPS because my parents didn't raise me to be a turnip). Diversity is great if the actor is the best one for the role. Who cares? BUT... if the actor/actress is chosen for a political agenda, then Pffffffffft, not interested.
I don't think you can be cast as "best for the role" if you don't meet the physical qualifications of the character. You wouldn't cast Steven Hawking as a tracks star or the dude who plays Tyrion Lannister as a basketball star, you wouldn't hire a woman to play Superman and a man to play wonder woman (although that may be coming soon to a theater near you), and you wouldn't hire a black person to play a pasty white elf.
Yes, because you have an imagination and identified with the universal human qualities (such as honour, courage, humour, truthfulness, loyalty, etc. etc) that allow people to love characters who don't share their gender, race, nationality, religion, age or sexual orientation. You're normal, because you can do that. These narcissistic, exploitative, media fame whores, who are telling everyone that they are making Tolkein 'accessible', are the weirdos!
Peter Jackson specifically said that he wanted to respect Tolkiens vision and ideals, multiple actors he chose were obsessed with or loved Lord of the Rings. There are multiple sources that describe actors and staff quoting the books incessantly and acting in character for fun. You think this is the case for Rings of Power?
It's frustrating and revolting to watch in slow motion how they're going to butcher our favorite fantasy world with their "Wokeness" posturing. I wish with all my heart for this parody to sink their investment and careers forever.
It reminds me of what the BBC did with the Watch, the took the Discworld series (which is actually pretty woke, but is subtle about it) and proceeded to ruin it by ham handedly trying to update it while utterly missing most of the points the books make about things.
They don't care about the lore. They don't care about the idea. All they care about is themselves - it's all "me, me, me, me, I, I, I, I". It's quite ironic, because the Lord Of The Rings is an incredible story of heroism, bravery and SELFLESSNESS.
If they cared about the lore they would have realised that the Numenoreans became a colonial power during the second age and perhaps making them diverse in the story was, by their own terms of reference, an erasure of the people they colonised when they started building kingdoms back in Middle Earth to expand their powerbase. If they wanted a diverse cast they could have put some focus on the ancestors of the southrons and easterlings from LOTR and how they fought the Numenorean colonisers who were under the influence of Sauron and the one ring. How the ancestors of Aragorn realised their people had fallen from grace and so forged alliances with the other inhabitants of Middle Earth to resist the corrupted Numenoreans. And how that led to the war of the last alliance. And they could show southrons and easterlings fighting with the elves and men of the west to defeat Sauron in that alliance. And humanise them in a way LOTR couldn't.
@@nagillim7915 Yeah, but that would require work and caring about the lore. So far, all they care about are vaginas on dwarves, and cannot even be bothered to recognize "Powerful =/= Martial Prowess" can be a thing.
My two cents: I was always under the impression that actors were supposed to play a character not them selves. For characters like Zorg from Fifth element. Do we need to start finding inside business people with a mass murdering streak. Would that really make the movie better? what about all those teen drama shows that used people in there early twenties. I can think of a dozen more examples easily. How long before we start traumatizing kids for "realistic" acting performances. Just how far in to the insanely absurd can we go. And to be clear and fair. i fall on the LGBT spectrum and i am sick of this "Woke" nonsense. Pardon the soap box.
Well they did spell out they were using these characters to "prop up a lacking narrative". That's 100% true except the narrative they refer to is their own, not Tolkien's. Those character's aren't being played (acted), it's the woke fools out there who are being played (conned).
Just for once I would like the cast and crew to tell me all about how amazing the "story" is. The fact these muppets seem only interested in gender ideology is a total red flag.
With all the marketing, PR and trailers released thus far - who knows what this series is actually ABOUT other than "set before the Lotr". The trailers do nothing for the narrative, it's just a mismash of shots comprising "cool action scene", "CGI landscape" and "insert X diverse character".
Tolkien's work is timeless! Placing modern nihilistic politics, gender identity and all these ideology is precisely to put an end to this timelessness. This has to be a flop.
“Go woke, get broke” is a dangerous fallacy. If Right, and center, are to survive, we need a counter philosophical world view that is even MORE aggressively marketed than the way the Left market wokeism.
The actress that played "Princess Disa" that always kept telling the viewers when in front of the cameras saying "You should watch Amazon's LOTRROP because I played a black female POC dwarf, therefore female empowerment" countless times already tells me that they really only care about the agenda, not the story. Fortunately, I don't have Amazon Prime, and neither do I plan to watch this hell-of-a-show soon.
Agreed. That's inverted. If the character is good, like Brienne of Tarth was, you don't have to push the character; the viewers will take her and suck her in without being prompted. That's why I think TRoP is going to suck: Even the creators don't think the story can stand on its own without help from the real world.
@kp Amazon does have good shows on it just few of them like reacher Bosch and the terminal list my advice watch the stuff they do well and don’t bother with the fantasy stuff put out because I think the feminut woman gets really involved with the fantasy series they do
I like that part a lot as well. But for me it had to be the part where Tolkien himself appeared and told Disa to go outside, and play hide and go feck herself.
THIS.... exactly what everyone needs to do, because every episode viewed, even if just to see how bad it is, bloats their minutes watched and viewership so they can go "SEE?! THEY LOVED IT!" Plenty of youtubers that will give it one watch and tell us all about it so all in all it'll get 6 actual views and 7.7 billion laughs 👌
"A franchise of this scale" that's the problem right there... A collection of books written by an English author in the 1900s is NOT a franchise existing to increase Amazon stock price..
One time, at Rings of Power writing camp, we all pretended to be Tolkien fans before completely creating new characters and disrespected Jackson and Tolkien.
As a mixed raced female; 1) I've never ever had a problem identfying with characters that don't match my gender and race (and being an obscure mixed race ethnicity that I can only think of a single actor that matches, that's been standard my whole life) 2) I will never understand why people think that adding diversity to white European mythology or adding female representation by basically taking male archtypes and gender swapping them is empowering, it's not, it's insulting. It's saying that the stories and mythology of other ethnic groups isn't good enough to be told, it's saying women aren't interesting unless they're gender-swaped male characters. This isn't representation. Representation is more than genitals and the colour of a person's skin, it's their culture, it's their land, it's their experiences, it's their history. No one in Hollywood is interesting in telling that, no one's interested in actual representation. All they're interested in is someone's superficial body traits.
It is not only condescending - it is also going to back fire. Honestly I don’t care if in star trek a man or woman takes the captain seat In don’t get the confusion here But there are no female drawf prices This is fully made up - this is like not only Hollywood this reminds me more about Disney taking stories and just making what ever they want with it And then we have generations of kids growing up with this crap instead of knowing the originals and their meanings
Has anyone ever said "I can't get into LOTR because of the lack of diversity ?" I've heard people say they couldn't watch it because it was too long not because there wasn't enough characters that filled all the woke check boxes.
honestly, I can’t remember a time when I looked at a Tv show or movie and was upset at the lack of representation. The only time as a black person, I noticed anything along those lines is that black characters get killed off first lol other than that I never complained about lack of inclusivity.
It won't though. The reality is that many people will be watching to see if it's good, and many people will watch that won't care much about how it relates to existing lore. The "creative" team will get their jabs in, and most people will either like it, not care, or be apathetic or ignorant to the atrocity that has occurred. The "creative" team will then have confirmation for their cognitive bias and go on to fail upwards.
I didn't feel represented in the Squid Game, and still found it very entertaining. Those people, who obsess over being represented by skin color, etc., seem to me into the worst of tribalism, best case, or plain old bigots.
And what about "Blade"?! I loved (still love) that movie. So awesome. Blade, the character, was so very cool. I did not think or care for one moment that he was black. Oh know, I can't identify with him because he doesn't look like me! What?! I immediately thought, and still do, that Blade was an amazing character.
But squid game was based in south Korea, you'd find it rare to find heaps of people of colour. I don't think people should care if there's black elves or dwarfs, id only care if they change lore which is what they're doing also I think a lot of people aren't focusing on the real bad here
I'm sick of the argument. As a Black American I have to say it's time to create our own. I'm tired of seeing people like myself shoehorned into a role for diversity purposes. We should make our own. By us. Our own horror, drama, sci-fi, fantasy, etc, to stop the arguing. As Thanos said "Fine, I'll do it myself". Begging folks for inclusion is completely embarrassing at this point. Let's move on and do it ourselves.
Although I strictly agree with you, I think we both know she meant the first female dwarf character that had lines and not an extra. Furthermore I couldn't care less they put a female dwarf in the cast. But the marketing of it being the first and claiming it in every interview as we are expected to applaud it is really turning it into a PR nightmare.
@@NFrmrsNFD nah. She was very clear to mention not even once that she's the first female dwarf. I mean how hard is it to say that she's the only femal dwarf with actual lines or role?
@@kingthranduil8807 Yep. It's one of those " Black Panther is the first black superhero to have the movie adaption." Lies, lies and lies. People need to educate themselves.
I really want to hear the justification of why a race that lives primarily underground (the dwarves) would develop melanin to the point it would darken skin to the level depicted. The sun has existed for less than 600 years when the second age began and the elves lived in darkness before then (save during the period of the two trees and even then only in the regions effected by the light of the trees). Why would an elf develop melanin levels of that level? It would seem that the show's creators don't understand why people of color are of color. It would be like having a tribe of pale white people in Wakanda with no explanation. Amazon picked up the rights to do this show because Tolkien has such a huge existing fanbase. I don't understand why they would then, in turn, do everything in their power to alienate those fans. As far as I'm concerned, this show doesn't exist. There's no point in being heartbroken by the travesty that they are creating.
Yeah, I've tried arguments like that and been told I'm a racist and that it's only fantasy, so it doesn't matter. So their only counter arguments are to insult you and downplay the importance of the genre, dismissing it as trivial.
Its a failure to do world building. The men of Harad were described as having dark skin and they existed in the second age since the Numenorians colonized the hell out of them. So if you really wanted a black elf then you could have pulled the good ole forbidden romance, this time between an elf and a man of Harad. The resulting Half Elf having darker skin due to their heritage. You get the free excuse of they were not around for the War of the Ring in the Third Age due to naturally shorter life span. If you wanted to have black dwarves that would take more work but is doable, Durin's Sons went south. You could have had another group go further south in search of more resources and go into Harad. You can say that they found a lot of resources but they lacked the kind of mountains they would normally make into their home, thus they made fortress cities on the surface and simply due to them getting far more sun then the average dwarf they developed the darker skin. You can even explain the lack of beard thing as being a cultural thing: the difficulty of the journey ran these dwarves out of rope thus they were forced to use their own durable beards in place of rope, their descendants cut their beards in honor of the sacrifices of their ancestors incorporating the cut beards into offerings and artifacts made in honor of said ancestors. You can say they did not participate in the War of the Ring directly due to them helping the good people of Harad resist Sauron which reduced the amount of Haradrim he could call upon. The Second Age lasts what, 4000 years? Plenty of time for a group of dwarves forced to live on the surface to develop the dark skin.
@@Irrashaimase1 It's funny, the media thinks we're all hyper-focused on race, gender and representation. But everyone is thinking about inflation and the cost of food and gas right now. They're out of touch with Americans today. Always have been.
Just watching the interviews with the cast makes my skin crawl. I wonder if Amazon is going to pull a Disney and blame it on trolls when this series flops.
When it fails and believe me, it will fail (I want it to fail because I’m hoping it will send a message). The fans will most certainly get the blame for it. Watching all these interviews, just makes my make stomach churn.
It's not going to flop tho, everyone keeps saying this, but it's not going to flop. Almost all big budget series that were wokefied have been critically acclaimed AND had very good viewership ratings. They have all gotten review bombed tho.
@@CCovers1 There are going to be soo many "Fans" LOTR that will like it a lot. They won't care that it's not in the lore or canon. They're going to eat it up. The hardcore fans that usually care about this sort of stuff is in the minority. It's just the way it is. As for me, I don't like all this forced "representation" But, I would rather they create new characters that didn't exist to make them black or gay, or whatever instead of changing the sexual orientation or race of an already existing and established character. That really irks me. I'm not defending what is happening with this show. I'm just stating what I think will happen, based on seeing this already happen. You have to admit that the visuals are really nice. The visuals and name alone will draw in millions to watch and keep watching.
A show like LOTR having “modern sensibilities” is exactly the problem among many others. It’s the approach and messages they keep pushing that pushes people away from them.
Agreed, if you want to have “modern sensibilities” in a fantasy world? Either create your own thing or use something written with in the last thirty years, like Shannara. Even then to much focus on “modern sensibilities” can ruin a show, just look at the BBC's The Watch from about a year ago. The actual Discworld books are in some ways very "woke" and a large part of them is about having fairly modern sensibilities in a Late Medieval/Renaissance era fantasy world, but the BBC managed to utterly ruin the concept by being stupid and doing things like casting a normal sized clean-shaven "non-binary person" as a female Dwarf who is a more or less Tolkien style Dwarf first (as in has a beard, wears armor and carries and Axe pretty much everywhere) and a female second.
There even is a gossip, very hush hush, don't let anybody know I told you this, but I've heard that there even may be a black female dwarf in this show! They say it's the first time ever! I know, hard to believe, isn't it? And of course a lot of LGBTQ+++ buttsex, "the violence of childbirth" etc. (Or was that last one something from that new Game of Thrones spinnoff? Same sort of shit anyway.)
'See yourself staring back' No. I wanna see a hero who inspires me. I wanna feel mystified by the carefully unsaid powers of a wizard. I wanna see someone facing their fear and being brave Seeing myself reflected would be a terrible. I am none of these
You can tell its just about them, not representation. They feel good its them on the screen. As a black man its so tiring to keep hearing about representation, its 2022 there are plenty of black people in series and movies. Representation hasn't been a problem for over a decade. Stroking their own egos under the guise of "representation" is sad, disgusting, and boring 😒
More like 25 years. The 90s covered all this. This is just a tool for media to sell more. It has nothing to do with helping or representing anyone. They gave up on good storytelling and now they sell us this instead.
A decade? Try half a century. We've had tons and tons of minority actors in tons and tons of movies. It's only the last decade that they've made such a big thing out of it.
Amazing how the First Marvel superhero was "Blade" portrayed by Wesley Snipes... how PoC do you have to be? I looked up to Blade and even Spawn as awesome people... **NOT** because of the color of their skin... they were well written, well portrayed, and told excellent stories! I really feel sorry for so many that now have to deal with hand me down stories filled with preachy rhetoric and then be told they MUST like it because they look similar.... The whole point of these stories is that they are NOT supposed to represent the modern day... they are meant to speak to the HUMAN condition and overcoming your obstacles... Too bad the current solution is to essentially slap a coat of "brown paint" on everything and call it good...
@@edwardpaulsen1074 yes. THIS is what makes them TIMELESS. If we are going to focus on colour of the skin, we are going to miss the ACTUAL HUMANITY. My people who are.. rakia Slavs, have a saying "we're all bloody under the skin" to signify how being HUMAN doesn't differ between race, gender, social status, or even monetary status. These stories, focused on paint, sexual orientation and daily politics will... die off, in a week, moth, decade. Whio amongst us still remembers and understands the SW prequels commentary about Bush administration? I'm going to go with "BY FAR LESS PEOPLE than those who understand Eowyn's journey in LotR".
LotR has been the single most motivational, inspirational, and influential creative work in my entire life. I have NEVER, not for one second, EVER felt like I was not represented by any of the characters. Aragorn taught me honor and strength. Gandalf taught me kindness and wisdom. Frodo & Sam taught me bravery and hope. Merry & Pippin taught me friendship and fun in dark times. I learned something from every character because they were speaking to ME, not my fucking brown skin color. "We added brown people because they're brown! We solved racism! You're so very welcome!" This is what the RoP is saying to me. It's so much more insulting to me than a full white cast would have been.
The irony is that it's the activists who are racist, only being able to relate to characters of same colour. Just like you, I never related to that, I cared for the attributes.
“This is clearly a show that represents our world today” there you go that’s the whole problem the fanbase has. We don’t want the show to reflect the real world it’s fantasy we want it to reflect the world Tolkien created 70 years ago.
Haven't noticed many Asian, Indian, Arab or Native American characters in the promo material. Ahhh, nothing like the sanitized Americanized concept of diversity to help the woke crowd get their advocacy fix. Fuck me, these people suck.
Yet Tolkien made Melkor the greatest, most skillful and craftiest among the maiar. Wish we could say the same for Amazon. On that measure they are not even remotely evil. Dumb, yes. Greedy, oh yes. Evil.. no, they lack spirit, skill and creativity to call themselves evil. Morgoth's little pet, the one that later called himself Sauron, had more malice in his little toe than the people who written and directed that show. And Sauron was a far cry from his master.
What is your character? “First female dwarf!” That’s not a character that’s a design. “First female dwarf!” Amazon: Sorry she’s broken 🔧 there we go! “Diversity!”
Tbf she didn't really need prosthetics unlike Rhys-Davies to physically portay a dwarvish type but I'm still confused about where the tanning booths were supposed to be located in the middle of Moria or the like.
I mean I dont support forcing “representation“ where is not needed… I don’t think it should be prioritized instead of the storyline or overall quality. What I dont get is why the hell people are so pissed about a few NEW characters being dark skinned, this is such an overreaction and honestly seems indeed racist because this shouldn’t be the main focus when rating a show. I am more worried about the elves not having the best costume design and poor writing for example (which is the case)
Amazing!!! So sad that this Amazon LOTR decided to cut us kurds, Turks, Arabs, Persian, Mexican, Natives, Latinos, Mongolian, Kazakhs, Chinese, Japanese, indians, Indonesian and treat like trash with ZERO representation 😡😡🤯🤬🤬
Exactly. The focus of the 2 age, let alone 19 rings of power era, as a story give the opportunity to focus on these people. But *NO* they only go with females and black people.
It's almost like you can't and shouldn't represent everyone in every possible form of media at all times! Diversity in is great, but diversity just for diversity's sake and retrofitting it where it is out of place is just so frustratingly *wrong*.
Translation: "It's time for fantasy to be a reflection of reality and our current world.!" Me: "Isn't that the very antithesis of fantasy as a genre???" 🤦♂️
It's odd, I teach language arts at international schools and I've had African, Asian and South American students all read The Lord of the Rings and fall in love with it. None of them ever said to me, "Well shit, I wish there weren't so many white people in it." Seems pretty accessible to me. Also, just don't watch it. Easy fix. Ignore this and let it die.
Well, i think you are praying to the wrong people mate. The people watching this video or reading these comments are mostly of the same opinion. We will watch AZ,CriticalDrinkers and disparus or Nerdrotics reviews on it.
@@TheTombo1990 Just no. Many already decided by the interviews and casting choice prior that they dislike what Amazon is doing and resent it. Now we watch these channels to stay updated on it (without supporting it) and get comfort by seeing that more people feel the same way as we do.
The difference is those students aren't a bunch of racists who want to change historical novels because there's too many characters of a certain ethnicity in them
I suggest the next black panther film have a diverse group of people in Wakanda, including white soy boys, random Asians, and some LGBTQ, all with African accents, and the white soy boys stylizing blond afros, all which who reflect today's societal realities
"Improved representation" is so insulting. Tolkien, an Englishman, is allowed to write a story about white people. There's nothing offensive about that. There's nothing that needs to be improved. Imagine an African author writing a fantasy story specifically for his homeland of Nigeria, and then the media saying it needs to be "improved" by including more white people... 👀
Sort of imperialistic-ish to have a control and influence over other cultures to write them in and implement basically whatever agenda you want. Very dangerous weapon in hands of the wrong people.
When I read LOTR and the Hobbit as a 7 yo girl I don't remember Tolkien mentioning blacks, gays or even females unless they were pertinent to the story. I played a female dwarf in the Dark Age of Camelot MMORPG over 20 years ago but you don't hear me boasting about it. These people are so far up their own fat or spaghetti-armed posteriors it's hilarious. Wind them up and they bleat propaganda like good little automatons. I wouldn't watch this under pain of death.
@@ew6230 I know right? I played it again on a private server a few years ago that was still a pre TOA build and got totally readdicted. Played it from release for many many years and I still miss it but I can't play it without being totally immersed 24/7. No other MMO has ever been able to take it's place.
JRR Tolkien - 'Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made' > The series is the best example of this
Watching Amazon slowly reveal their hand over the last few months has been disheartening because they did exactly what we anticipated without restraint.
They told us exactly what they were doing in the first Vanity Fair article. And still there are many Tolkien fans who refuse to see what is so plainly obvious.
@@richardrose2606 A lot of fans are also normies I doubt any of them know much about the second age. Also they are brain washed into the diversity cult at school and University.
So many people today want to be mad about something. At the same time, so many people today want to make all movies, shows, songs into some sort of statement. But who cares either way?! It's a fantasy show. Enjoy it or don't watch it.
I related a lot to Bilbo back in the Hobbit ; he was homesick on his journey, thought a lot about food and comfort. I also admired him for sticking it out with his friends, and doing what he felt was right even in spite of the rift it put between him and Thorin. Duty, Honor, Destiny, Right and wrong, a lot of this is baked into the fabric of the Lord of the Rings. The world is old and rich and vast and wonderful. I, a woman, saw Eowyn as an amazing person, doubly so on the second read. Fighting is a hardship and a burden Men traditionally make to protect and defend that which is theirs. Eowyn desperately wanted to do something active - and she did. She and Merry wound up taking down an impossible foe, but did not escape unscathed! When she was over her trials, she had a new perspective on life, and falling into that classical role of womankind as a wife was all the more desirable after the adventure was over. This is a subtle and complex change that a less talented writer would have been like "SHE WoZ UN LOVE Bcuz HE HOT". No, two injured souls dressed each others wounds and in finding that comfortable healing, drew together in a bond they would share the rest of their lives. That is a beautiful thing. Arwen too; with her unfailing devotion is to be admired. Galadriel, who was mentioned more prominently than her own husband in the trilogy is also striking. Wise, beautiful, and not to be trifled with. She was tempted by the ring, and refused it - and because of its destruction, it is a herald of her people fading from Middle Earth. No, there are not a lot of women who appear in the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit books, but the ones that do leave a distinct impression. What about Tom's wife? What about Rose? What about Nobelia, the Sackville-Baggins as a more negative depiction? There is plenty of diversity of personalities, values, beliefs... that's more important than skin.
Well said. I wonder how many people are going to remember Galadrial in this? Just another trope of what Hollywood thinks of as a strong, independant woman. Or who's going to remember the 15 seconds of time that "the first black female dwarf" is going to be in. I dont even know her bloody name. None of them are going to be remembered. What will be remembered and has been remembered is Tolkein and his original writings. Those are what will pass through history. Not even Peter Jacksons awesome trilogy will be remembered. But Tolkein will. And Strider, Legolas, Gandalf, and the incredible world and characters HE created. We dont need to watch this horrid butchery of his work because we have the right of it. We can ignore amazon and read his books. That will take you back to Middle Earth far better than any amazon show they just threw money at and turned it into an inclusivity, female centric, white men bad, joke. Hell, people are even getting pissed cos they think Orks are Tolkeins representation of black people and so orks are racist. The world we live in now is ridiculous.
Waaaah waaah my fantasy world is ruined, “others” are in my safe space. Lol, are you guys grown men SMH. Your whining reminds me you don’t have real life problems.
Those looks and stares from the cast members speaks volumes. It reminds me of the captain marvel interviews where the cast was so visibly annoyed with her that ghey too couldn't hide the disdain and I have to say, it takes a lot to get to that point, especially because these are literal actors who pretend for a living. However, it really only takes a couple of minutes for these people to start talking and you understand the pain of having to go around and be seemingly led by the dumbest and least talented person on the set.
this is fantastic. Sophia clearly has no idea how grating and condescending she comes off. This show will sink deeper than Numenor and her non-career along with it
In every interview she only repeats to same few lines like a parrot repeating things she heard "I'm the first female dwarf of color" "Diversity and inclusion" "lets intertwine 2nd age of middle earth with 2022 earth"
As an Asian person, I dont care to see Asian elves to "represent" me as an Asian viewer. That would be ridiculous and out-of-character for the lore like this one. I've watched movies with predominantly white actors my whole life and that has never bothered me! Give me a well written story with actors that can bring the story's characters to life as writers/authors intended. Please don't make movies awkward.
Nothing says “I’m lazy” like latching onto pre established stories and distorting them to fit your narrative. Write your own stories and create your own worlds it’s not hard but it actually takes effort
That's the thing; the people adhering to identity politics are either too lazy or too stupid to come up with their own stories. So, they turn to actual storytellers and demand 'representation', or risk being labeled every istaphobe under the sun.
But more importantly: it takes creativity. A characteristic of real wokers are decreased empathic capabilities. As a result they are only able to concentrate on little parts and unable to oversee the total or details.
One thing that really pisses me off about all this 'representation' and 'inclusion' drivvle is the fact that Boromir was literally the representation of humans within the story, regardless of gender or race. That's why he makes the mistakes, that's why he's corrupted because when real people are in there most desperate times they can sometimes make stupid descions, but when push comes to shove he stands up to rewrite his wrongs and stand up for what is right! That's why he's the only actual human in the fellowship. Obviously Sam and Frodo are also relatable but as a representation of HUMANS boromir is perfect.
@@thee_morpheus his intention was to write a possible folklore for the british isles because there is non such written down. Indeed it's for people around the world like for every other written down story is for everybody to read. But geological its placed in europe as far as somebody could locate a fictional story
@@LordEladan he also drew from Egypt, Byzantine, Greek, and Finnish folklore and themes. One letter mentioned wishing to create a sort of folk epic for Britain he felt was missing but he said no more of it really.
yes, but he also hoped to inspire others to do the same for their cultures, because he felt the modern world had lost something with the loss of it's mythology, a deeper connection to the generations that came before.
What is contracted: Amazon, you are not allowed to directly portray the other books written by Tolkien for these time periods or use them directly as your main storyline. What Amazon interpreted: We are not allowed to study those books and works as reference for detail accuracy in our own story, so lets not even bother reading them. Not being able to use those works, doesn't mean they couldn't still study them and use them as reference for the accuracy of their own depicted timeline. By nature of ignoring those works entirely, you submit your own production to status of fan fiction - aka work that does not abide by the official lore and may even directly contradict said lore. Amazon, what a shitshow.
u know..... she looks like the type person that would wear very VERY Loud perfume and have really hot breath in all her interviews, LMAO, just saying........ she looks like *that type* XD now BOW DOWN Because She RULES YOU!!!!!!
What a riveting pilot! I was on the edge of my seat when Thanos said "I don't even know who you are" and Disa replied "I'm the first female dwarf of color" just before she dwarved all over him.
I hate the concept "You need someone to look like you on screen". I've played so many games, watched so many shows/movies, read plenty of books. It's not difficult at all to relate, sympathize, and put myself in a character's shoes that look nothing like me. Just because they slap a character that may look like me, it doesn't boost my opinion of the product.
These show runners think skin color and gender is how we connect with fictional characters. Which in turn, they view as the prime defining characteristic of a person. So they're obvious social activist freaks
I don't play a lot of games, pretty much just wow. I usually play female characters and some people seem to think it's weird for a guy to play a female. My character isn't me, it's not even human and I don't need to spend hundreds of hours looking at the back of a dude 😅 I sometimes read fan boards on shows I like that look like they might be cancelled and there are a lot of people out there who have a lot of trouble separating actors from the characters they play so who knows how they personally relate to things 😆
As a non-dwarf, non-elf, non-hobbit, non-dark Lord, non-wizard human being, I find that I can't relate to anything in LOTR. They need someone to look and be exactly like me for my tiny brain to fathom a connection.
About princess Disa, I think she missed her true calling a few years back. Imagine her as Deloris Umbridge I always thought that the character was perfectly cast before. And couldn't be improved upon. But this one would be an interesting variant!
@@andrew.2907 😂 To be fair though, there has been many a great comment on this video already. Though I think mine was decent, it is one of the many here. Maybe Amazon should start hiring us as creative directors
@@Drag0nvil actually Netflix, Amazon, and Disney should start hiring 11 year olds for writers and producers, it would be way cheaper and way better content.
She's in love with the sound of her own voice, and you can see by the reactions of her co-stars when she starts talking just how insufferable she is to be around. She's the Brie Larson of this cast, just not as abrasive.
To give another show on Amazon Prime as a contrast, the Expanse has a diverse cast, and does play against gender stereotypes to a certain extent, for example, with Bobbie Draper as the Martian Marine, but each character is not there because they are a TYPE; they are individuals who go through their own character arcs, and it is through their personal growth against adversity that we come to identify with them. Although I like a lot of the characters, the one I identify with the most is Naomi Nagata. Being a white male, I don't identify with her because she is a black female--I identify with her because she is an engineer, and her intelligence, resourcefulness, and creativity are qualities I aspire to as I study to be a cybersecurity analyst. THAT is a better way of getting people to respect diversity...
Actually Amazon destroyed that story as well, read the books. They are nothing like the show, they changed genders and races to meet their PC ideology.
yes but my TV says that all I should be concerned about is what color someone's skin is and whether or not they tick any other boxes in the pantheon of The Message. Being good at something, or having a compelling story is an anathema to The Message. So says my TV anyhow. I wonder why there's nothing good on any more..
So how is she representative of female dwarfs? Why didn't the producers get an actual female dwarf if they wanted genuine representation. This is disgraceful. She doesn't speak for dwarfs! Shame ROP!
I'm not a dwarf. Nor am I a blonde elf or a brunette elf. I'm not an incredibly fit man, good with swords and daggers. I'm not a tall, immortal wizard. I'm not a tiny hobbit and yet I absolutely love the Lord of the Rings, books and movies. I didn't need to see 'myself' on the screen to feel the need to see it.
The Rings of Power is going to suck so hard, and flop so spectacularly, and I am looking forward to every moment of it. I hope they have to withdraw it from viewing after it debuts. It's so wonderful to see the true majority speak, and to know that the woke dystopia that has been foisted on all of us is only the demented perversions of a small demo, and not what most people want to see, or have anything to do with.
@@grimepilogue2831 I thought I replied, but it's not here. Hmm... Oh well. Yeah, this show will "succeed" whether it really does or not most likely. I won't be offended if it finds a niche and an audience. The source of the offense is buying Tolkien's name and titles, and then trying to pass this generic fantasy mish-mash off as Tolkien and LOTR and insisting it's wonderful. These tactics have grown wearisome, and just about everyone is onto the ploy. Woke as a word for progressive is one thing, but it's woke coupled with pseudo-intellectualism and a big dose of entitled arrogance that has so many people ready to choke someone. It's a stylish trend, a fad. "Inclusivity!" "Diversity!" "Trans rights!" Stunning and brave, not! Why don't they just grow their hair?! Or cut it all off?! Or have their eyelids pierced?! Or start a band?! It's not a travesty to have escapism and fiction in entertainment! I hang out with me all the time. I'm the last person I want to see when I sit down to watch something. The world was not prepared for three generations of entitled and self-centered little shit-brain turdlettes! How old are you? Can you answer my questions?! Lol
Have you seen the new poster that shows galadrial in a dress under an arch with a sword that's been clumsily photoshopped into her hand? It's like someone thought 'we can't have her looking like a woman at all, quick give her a sword in a weird angle for some reason' The people who make this show are insane..
Holy shit that is a good call. It would have been a legit poster too with some great light work, posing and framing but then someone had to paste a sword on her to fulfill "The message"
I also think we’re starting to see the incompetence of the younger millennials and zoomers really shine through in the professional world. I knew it was coming. When I meet people my age it’s rare that they have any actual skills or experience.
LOL, Tolkien did write signposts for the Amazon writers, like "wrong way", "do not enter", "dead end", "bridge out", "road closed" and yet the writers just keep on going in a full sprint. Also great editing on this video!
_RaNgS of Power_ works on Wile E. Coyote physics, as long as no one stops to realize they've run off the cliff they think they can make it to the other side.
"First female dwarf" I'm quite certain Gimli described them as something so closely similar to male dwarfs that non-dwarfs couldn't tell the difference.
He did exactly that. Good point. Also, if they had actually watched the Peter Jackson films, they'd have seen numerous female dwarves on screen. This actress is full of shit. She's also not playing a dwarf anyhow. She can call herself whatever she likes, but she isn't portraying a Tolkien dwarf.
For real these SJW communists are fucking disgusting. From that old dementia ridden fool they illegally installed in the White house via fraud and military force, to their brain damaged SJW asshole "actors" aka adult pretenders pushing their VILE and disgusting communist antiWhite agenda, the sheer level of egoism and self love involved in all this vile propagandizing and altering of Tolkien for the sake of their evil communist agenda, it makes me SICK. I really do HATE these people like I have never hated any other. Even guys I've fought. We need to shut them down ASAP. Boycott the shit out of them, keep spreading the word how this is gonna be a bomb, and that it needs to be boycotted; spread how insulting the cast and crew are towards both Tolkien and US the intended audience. Let's make this the biggest financial disaster in Amazon's history. We'll make them KNOW not to try this again and cut losses while they still can and GET OUT and stop abusing Tolkien's works.
The narcissistic request from viewers these days to require characters in media to "represent" their surface level characteristics is so weird. What ever happened to imagination? Imagination doesn't require lazy reflections of whiny viewers to be inserted into media.
Don't watch the show on Amazon!! It should go without saying, but I know a lot of fans who still plan to watch it just to see what a mess they made. I think one of the best things we can all do is to NOT support this horror by watching it on Amazon. I get that some Tolkien fans might be very curious to see just how bad it really is. But remember, it doesn't matter WHY you watch it... you are still supporting it by pressing play. And there are alternatives to watch it without involving Amazon (and boosting their numbers in the process). It will be available from "alternative" sources shortly after it starts airing. So if you absolutely have to watch it, use those!
This!☝️ To paraphrase Overlord DVD: "Without respect, we reject!" Vote with your wallet, or in this case your play button. Do not give them one minute of your time.
I like how they're trying to make a movie set in a different world at a different time a f'ing "modern film". I don't understand what goes on in their head. It's Tolkien's vision, not the wokeness going on in our world.
I have never in my life seen a movie/show, and thought "Man, I wish one of these characters looked like me and represented me". All I've ever cared about is a good story, and for it to be entertaining.
That's because of your huwhite privilege, toxic masculinity, homophobia, transphobia, racist fascism, I can tell you didn't take lesbian dance theory in college you bigot.
exactly what i was thinking and then read this! what a load of horse shit
That's because you're not a racist
Yup, exactly...
If i´ve been watching Action-Movies, i´ve tried sometimes to imagine, how i would stand in such fight-scences if i had the places swapped with the main-protagonist - and i´ve always came to the quick conclusion, that i´ve wouldn´t even survived two seconds.
i root for the characters and not for seeing myself in there. for this i have a mirror to look into.
As a black man I *_RESENT_* the notion that I need to see characters that look like me in order to relate to them, as if all the non-black characters I've looked up to to this point weren't FOR me. Aragorn was written _FOR_ me. Jon Snow was written _FOR_ me. Neo was written _FOR_ me. Aang was written _FOR_ me. I don't want your "representation" characters whose only defining trait is the color of their skin. Keep them. I don't care if every character in every movie or TV show from here until the end of time is white. If they are well-written with relatable human qualities, *_THEY WERE FOR ME._*
Isnt it racist to make their defining traits of a character based on their skin color?
Perfection.
@@nickcoltz1526Your question makes literally no sense. What does racism have to do with the context of a character’s traits defined by his/her race?! I swear that’s like the most brainless question I’ve ever heard 🤣
Well, apparently the upcoming generations are so self-centered they need to go "ooh 😶look at that skin, now I can relate to this story despite the empty characterization!"
It will truly save many lives
This comment is the best. Wouldn't it be more racist to refrain from identifying with a character because their skin color is different? Growing up in 90s I looked up to numerous black men in music and on screen and can't imagine anything different. I did a project on an important historical figure in middle school on Donovan Bailey. What a world we live in now.
I was one of the biggest Tolkien fans you'll ever meet when I was growing up. I got The Hobbitt for my 8th birthday and devoured it. When I was 12 I found out about LOTR, and proceeded to devour it. Then I read the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, Song of Hurin, and even most of Christopher Tolkien's making-of books. I've since reread them all at least a few times. When Fellowship came out, I was in HS, and I went to see it with my friends on the first day of release, and then 8 more times in theatres. I probably watched the three movies in theatres a combined 20 times, and many more of the extended editions on dvd/Blu ray. When I watch those Tolkien lore videos, I mentally correct the mistakes they make, that's the level of Tolkien nerd that I am.
So I should be really hyped for this show, right? Well, from day one they have been crystal clear that they don't care what people like me think. I have absolutely zero interest in this crap. This isn't Star Wars, where Lucas was alive and agreed to sell Lucas film to Disney and implicitly give his approval to the new projects. Tolkien is dead. The canon is closed. This is nothing more than expensive, and bad, fan-fiction.
The showrunners aren't even fans in the first place for this to be called a "fan-fiction". It's only a corporation that wants another 'Game of Thrones' using the good name of Professor Tolkien. It's sad, really.
@@SanaRaskolnikova88 yeah, you’re right, fan fiction isn’t even the right term, because they’re not fans.
i like your username btw, crime and punishment is my favourite book
@@bobbyhillthuglife thanks, it is my favourite book as well (:
Word.
@@SanaRaskolnikova88 Spot on. Fans at least know how to respect original material and the author. This is "activist fiction".
As a Hispanic female, I spent my tween/teenage years obsessing over lord of the rings. I didn’t see color or gender, just a ton of fantasy and bad assery. I was so immersed and obsessed with it, I created my own fanfic and maps. I had so much fun, and not once did I not feel included by their story. I imagined myself, as the minority girl I was, in their world.
Nowadays we are teaching our future generation that they are not included if they are not represented. Wokeness with be the death of our nation.
Well said!
You are intelligent enough to not be pandered to. God help this world.
I'm from russia and black people are ours friends
The irony is the woke people are the real racists, they see people as color and not personality.
@@brialapoint2608 Absolutely. They fetishize and sensationalize race, which has no merit attached to it. It's like being born tall, or with brown hair. It comes off as trite and immature when someone makes their race a part of their persona. Of course it's also divisive, but that is evidently part of the plan
Why does a woman have to act like a man to be empowered? Peter Jackson's female characters were extremely powerful and they carried themselves with grace and elegance. To say that a woman has to act more masculine to be strong is making the assumption that women are inherently weak
Didn't you know that womanly women are sht? That's weird, the left have been preaching it for years, catch up.
Femenists don't actually like femininity, they idolise masculinity.
The "I am no man" scene in Return of the King is one of my favourite scenes in the film and we'll never have such a powerful character ever again.
@@unoriginalhazard as a young child seeing that gave me chills, now they are taking away from how powerful of a scene that truly is.
They like to contradict themselves.
It is utterly fascinating to see "people" who have no grip on reality FAIL so miserably at making fantasy.
Indeed. It’s absolutely baffling
Okay, that made me laugh out loud. Have my like Jim, and thank you for a beam of light in this dark era of wokeness
Well first you have to know what reality is in order to tell the difference from fantasy
Isn't it amazing how, the best fantasy authors are the ones who seem to be very intelligent and understand the human condition, spiritual motifs very well.
not all that surprising, really .... you need a foundational reality to stand on before you can have flights of fancy.
Isn’t this cultural appropriation though? Or does that only apply when it’s beneficial to shills?
It only applies to those of whom have a particular melanin type and ideological leanings.
It is cultural imperialism or cultural plagiarism.
@The Rotten💯 I really want Chris Pratt to be the new tchalla
@@anti-rioter-15
I wanna see Danny DeVito and Pratt play T'challa.
They swap scene to scene and no one in the film sees two different men.
@The Rotten💯 Skyscreamers and their Twitter bots 🤖 love to complain about “MuH CulTUrAl ApProPriATIon.”
Thank you. Growing up in the 90s, white male, I watched X-men religiously. My favorite X-men was not Wolverine or Cyclops, the ones that “looked like me” but it was Storm, a black female character with an incredible background story and mutant power. Her skin color never even registered to me. Relating to a character has nothing to do with their color, gender, or who they bang, but everything to do with their choices that shape them. I just don’t understand todays media and culture
It may have never registered to you but in the 90s it may have been one of the few positive depictions of blacks that black kids saw in the media. That's why diversity can be very important
I agree with that. Storm was the master of the elements, The one who truly connected to mother earth. Used her powers for the greater good. Looks nothing like me at all. But her character and what she represented made me respect her. This thing today is a shit show.
todays media/writers have very few life experiences of their own to work from so all they have are the agendas/narratives foisted on them by academia. I'm not into comic books or super heroes but Blade is one of my favourite movies ever! I still remember the first time I watched it, Wesley Snipes is so good in that (and many other movies). I love Asian and Indian movies too, because the creators write interesting stories and characters; not once have I ever thought "this would be so much better if people were white" or that I ever need people to look like me in order to relate to them. We should be able to relate to people of different races, sexes, cultures, ethnicities and economic statuses; that's what empathy is for... and we seem to be failing to nurture that in a lot of humans now.
It’s truly heartbreaking to know that the greatest fantasy world ever created is being molested by woke culture. Terribly sad..
"The Wokeness that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."
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Star Wars Star Trek Doctor Who Marvel James Bond Game of Thrones Terminator Matrix and now LOTR. Every franchise we have loved has been Butchered and Massacred beyond recognition.
It is what wokes do. Molest.
'Fantasy World molested by fantasy Culture' Get your news today during drag queen story hour!
Who in their right mind thought that LOTR needed "fixing" to appeal to a modern audience?! It is one of the most reprinted book series ever, in more languages than I have fingers and toes. The folks behind this show are all out of touch, from the actors to the directors to the braindead fans supporting this.
Narcissistic wankers, that's who. They like to fix what isn't broken.
sad but i hope their carreer are over would be a nice exemple for the other comming in
@@jessicalacasse6205 One word, Nepotism.
Their careers will do just fine, unfortunately.
Go woke, until you go broke.
Well this show is created for a small niche of people who don’t care about anything except injecting their politics and views into every aspect of every one on the planets life.
I've put up with a lot of this nonsense for years now
But this desecration of Tolkien is a step too far. It's an insult to me as a fan of fantasy and Tolkien fan, it's an insult to me as an English man in particular as it represents real cultural appropriation of English culture by an American corporation.
Worst of all it's an insult to the man himself and everything he believed in.
It's completely disgusting racism.
Well said. The gleeful destruction of the English mythology Tolkien created is the exact opposite of what these activist morons claim to stand for.
so you better not watch it
I'm also English and I absolutely agree. When I suggested this in the Nerd of the Rings members' chat I was attacked by several of his other members who are mainly American and consequently excluded by one of his mods.
They've pretty much just called Tolkien a racist. They're trying to destroy everything in the West, when they were kneeling for our football I had an English friend in town telling me it was for justice, I said; just wait till they get to soccer.
@@mattjones1776 Nerd of the Rings is a pathetic sellout. And i told him so in his comments.
I am sick and tired of being lectured in entertainment instead of actually entertained.
The original LOTR wasn't made for a specific group of people or wasn't diverse enough. It was made for everyone on the planet. It taught us about courage and no matter what evil is afoot, or how small you may think you are, that you can make a difference. Idk who these shows are for and its patronizing for the people they are trying to "represent" for brownie points instead of just making good characters.
I think the most frustrating part is that they keep butchering classic films.. They refuse to make their own “woke” film but instead leech and destroy already established characters and story lines.. 🤦🏾♂️
Yes I agree. Create something completely new and original to convey whatever messages you wish, But Leave Classic Literature n film out of it!!
No. They are not butchering any of tolkiens or peter jacksons work. That still exists exactly as we know and love it..
People wouldn’t watch it it wouldn’t be memorable if they made their own
They have to butcher beloved original content because they know people won't pay to be propagandized with woke bullshit. This is why they've done it with Star Wars, Toy Story, Terminator, and the list goes on. These Hollywood Leftists do it so they'll have something to brag about at their next limousine Leftist party. It's a way of reupping their membership to the cult of wokeism.
The devil can’t create. He can only copy and distort.
I've been a huge fantasy/scifi enthusiast my entire life, and my father was a comic book collector his entire life, so I'm a nerd by blood, not relation. Also, according to THEM, I tick a LOT of boxes...and I'm so sick of the word 'representation'. It's offensive that I'm being spoken for by these weak-minded narcissists. Great characters resonate with people because of their inner attributes and story arcs. I've never had trouble with "not seeing myself". You want my money? Hire writers, directors, and actors that aren't dogshit.
How dare you question the righteous motives of these selfless and brave people who choose to approximate your offense. You should grovel at their sainted feet so sacrosanct be they in their valorous atte-lol, no, sorry. Couldn't keep a straight face. My bad.
Exactly this. If youre unable to relate to a character on their motivations, desires and personality, then youre a vapid self obsessed person
I feel the same thing as a Bi guy. I'm tired of people representing homosexual relations between men so...weirdly. They always make us out to either be obnoxious entitled pricks, or sluts that hit on everyone. I'm also tired of having my sexuality used as a get out of jail free card when they need to make a character look diverse. If you want to make a straight white character that's ok! People can like characters that aren't like them. I grew up loving Blade, and I'm about as white as you can get. But that doesn't matter. I didn't grow up thinking " I can't like this cause he's black and I'm not.". I grew up loving how much ass he kicked!
They are all superficial people
My question then, is what they are doing technically racist? If saying "because your not white like aargorn you cant look up to him, you have to find a black person to identify with", which to me is what this whole woke stuff is with lotr which seems to force people to only identify with their own skin color which seems very racist/segregtory.
Can we, for 5 seconds, not worry about diversity, inclusion or equality in storytelling? They can DIE on their own time
Also, it's 'equity', not 'equality'. It's about equal results, not equal treatment.
@@tomkerruish2982 right right, I forgot they don't want equal treatment anymore
The customer service at Amazon is really busy deleting all the negative reviews!
I'm boycotting them atm, I deleted my AmazonPrime account, and three of my friends did the same. Hopefully they're gonna get a huge backlash from this trainwreck.
My Imdb review was titled: "Necrophilia aka How to desecrate Tolkien's corpse & memory"
Deleting yer Prime is silly. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, just don’t watch this show.
Bro, nobody is forcing you to watch the movie. I loved it and I think it's a good series, stop whining and go watch something else that you like. It ain't like you are the one paying for the movie. Your $13 won't be missed boy
@@kizitoonyeagusi2824 what movie?
they will care for sure dud
Amazon probably: k, bye...
There is one thing you can say about Sophia, she sure knows how to tick every box on “The Message” checklist when she speaks. She’s so poor at selling the show, she probably couldn’t sell water to a person dying of thirst.
I honestly cannot stand her. She sounds like a total narcissist. 'Me Me Me Me Me' every time the camera is on her. Someone needs to tell her she is not the first female dwarf too!
If i was dying of thirst I rather just mug her for it and run than lay there wasting away while listening to her manifesto.
@@CountKibblesNBits "And this water represents diversity and it means everything everything to people of color and-"
And you interrupt her speech by pushing her on her back and taking the water.
All we want to know is a bit of information about her character, personality and maybe some of Disas life experience...
Ironically, 80% of what we get is directly related to the colour of her skin.
She is a living walking woke quote generator. Press play and out come woke talking points ad nauseum. And she will probably never completely repeat herself.
I've been a real Tolkein nerd since I read the triology in 1965. Yes, I'm old. Yes, I've the entire trilogy every year for at least 29 years. And yes, I agree with everything you have claimed, stated and verified, Nerdrotic. Thank you for keeping me sane in the sea of lies and misconceptions regarding Tolkein's work. And BTW, I'm Mexican, and the "lack" of representation never even occurred to me. I felt fully represented as a human being and felt much freer to enter the personae of evles, dwarves, ents and hobbits by not pidgeonholing them as one race/gender or another.
I read the trilogy at the same time you did. By the year 2000 the LOTR books had sold over 50 million copies worldwide. Now they have sold over 150 million copies. Amazon is fucking around with the wrong fan base.
Well said, sir! Well said!
Your still a young puppy.
You're the GOAT my friend. ✌️😎🍍
This guy gets it. Full-on fan (which i'm not) taking the work as what it is (a fantasy world based on european folklore) and having been fully embarked in the adventure regardless of his own ethnicity. You sir displayed extreme basic common sense. WILD. cheers ;)
She actually believes she is saving lives and changing the world with her portrayal of a television character. This is Lord of the Rings, but it should renamed The Lord of the Onion Rings.
I think she ate too many onion rings...
No she doesn't. She believes that she's gained a platform that's all about her, her perceived identity, and the attention she can gain from it. Anyone buying into gender identity, leftist ideology, and the "Woke" culture as a whole is nothing more than a sponge for as much attention as they can possibly gain. It's an ideology that centers firmly around who can be the most virtuous, heroic, and anti-normative. What you are seeing is Narcissism weaponized into a predatory religion. Nothing more.
@@Vonklieve No, onions are good for you. No. This condition comes from opium, or marijuana, or something else of that sort.
Lord if Ass Rings...
The first black Balaena and speaking in a film! Nothing less.
Tolkien was a devout fundamental catholic and his books had clear religious meanings. His books were never meant to be woke nor stray from the author's intended message. I was looking forward to this and was going to watch it but after listening to the reviews I will pass. Jeff bezos said he was a big Tolkien fan, but if you are a fan, you need to understand and honor Tolkiens intent and message, and convey this timeless story accurately.
Coming up, a remake of The Name of The Rose, a depiction of multi-ethnic female monks in a 14th century monastery, discussing prominent medieval issues like transgenderism and abortion rights. Inspired by true events.
Directed by Kevin Smith
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The best thing is that all those „representative“ actors dont understand that theyre being used purely as marketing tools by amazon. They actually think theyre doing something great and important
actually I think Sophia might be getting a clue about what's gonna happen to her non-career. The ppl around her seem to know to just let her talk and get all the bad vibes
The Bell Curve prevents them from understanding that.
I think they know
They're literally delusional.
could you imagine how low their ratings would be if they dont take over an already existing fan base???
First time I read "The Hobbit" it was in Hebrew. None of the characters kept Kosher, wore yarmulkes, or kept the Sabbath, but SOMEHOW I managed to become totally immersed by and enthralled with the tales (PERHAPS because my parents didn't raise me to be a turnip). Diversity is great if the actor is the best one for the role. Who cares? BUT... if the actor/actress is chosen for a political agenda, then Pffffffffft, not interested.
I don't think you can be cast as "best for the role" if you don't meet the physical qualifications of the character. You wouldn't cast Steven Hawking as a tracks star or the dude who plays Tyrion Lannister as a basketball star, you wouldn't hire a woman to play Superman and a man to play wonder woman (although that may be coming soon to a theater near you), and you wouldn't hire a black person to play a pasty white elf.
This is how I look at it, and how it should be viewed.
@@ohifonlyx33 I really do want to see a black trans female Steven hawkings adaptation now.
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Yes, because you have an imagination and identified with the universal human qualities (such as honour, courage, humour, truthfulness, loyalty, etc. etc) that allow people to love characters who don't share their gender, race, nationality, religion, age or sexual orientation. You're normal, because you can do that. These narcissistic, exploitative, media fame whores, who are telling everyone that they are making Tolkein 'accessible', are the weirdos!
Peter Jackson specifically said that he wanted to respect Tolkiens vision and ideals, multiple actors he chose were obsessed with or loved Lord of the Rings. There are multiple sources that describe actors and staff quoting the books incessantly and acting in character for fun. You think this is the case for Rings of Power?
It's frustrating and revolting to watch in slow motion how they're going to butcher our favorite fantasy world with their "Wokeness" posturing. I wish with all my heart for this parody to sink their investment and careers forever.
I couldn’t agree more. Here’s to hoping they fail and fk off back from whence they came.
I totally agree. This destruction of Tolkien is infuriating.
This show is basically billion dollar fanfic. Why let it ruin canon?
It reminds me of what the BBC did with the Watch, the took the Discworld series (which is actually pretty woke, but is subtle about it) and proceeded to ruin it by ham handedly trying to update it while utterly missing most of the points the books make about things.
Sink their investment, careers, *_and_* they all get a case of the monkey poxes.
They don't care about the lore.
They don't care about the idea.
All they care about is themselves - it's all "me, me, me, me, I, I, I, I".
It's quite ironic, because the Lord Of The Rings is an incredible story of heroism, bravery and SELFLESSNESS.
Probably would keep the One Ring, then take things to a degree that makes Sauron take it back out of legit concern for the world's safety.
If they cared about the lore they would have realised that the Numenoreans became a colonial power during the second age and perhaps making them diverse in the story was, by their own terms of reference, an erasure of the people they colonised when they started building kingdoms back in Middle Earth to expand their powerbase.
If they wanted a diverse cast they could have put some focus on the ancestors of the southrons and easterlings from LOTR and how they fought the Numenorean colonisers who were under the influence of Sauron and the one ring. How the ancestors of Aragorn realised their people had fallen from grace and so forged alliances with the other inhabitants of Middle Earth to resist the corrupted Numenoreans. And how that led to the war of the last alliance. And they could show southrons and easterlings fighting with the elves and men of the west to defeat Sauron in that alliance. And humanise them in a way LOTR couldn't.
@@nagillim7915 Yeah, but that would require work and caring about the lore. So far, all they care about are vaginas on dwarves, and cannot even be bothered to recognize "Powerful =/= Martial Prowess" can be a thing.
The look on the faces of everyone else and uncomfortable body language when the ‘first female dwarf’ starts talking is priceless
That's the reality. When people start talking like that, everyone else around them just has to shut up and listen to the drivel.
female dwoooorf femal dwoooooooorffffff
that first guy's "woah ,woah wooah" enough was a warning of the upcoming cringe
I think we might have Bri Larson №2 here...
"Me, me, me, ME!"
*and from the same mind set that refuses to define what a woman is regardless of race... real of fantasy representation*
So they cant enjoy Tolkien unless they see people who look like them staring back at them? That’s the definition of Narcissism.
But you do like that! I.e Seeing yourself
My two cents: I was always under the impression that actors were supposed to play a character not them selves. For characters like Zorg from Fifth element. Do we need to start finding inside business people with a mass murdering streak. Would that really make the movie better? what about all those teen drama shows that used people in there early twenties. I can think of a dozen more examples easily. How long before we start traumatizing kids for "realistic" acting performances. Just how far in to the insanely absurd can we go. And to be clear and fair. i fall on the LGBT spectrum and i am sick of this "Woke" nonsense. Pardon the soap box.
Please have your soap box right back and KEEP GOING! :D
Well they did spell out they were using these characters to "prop up a lacking narrative". That's 100% true except the narrative they refer to is their own, not Tolkien's. Those character's aren't being played (acted), it's the woke fools out there who are being played (conned).
I'm a trans-man and I wholeheartedly agree with you. People have lost their damn minds.
It is the funniest thing in the world watching 40 year old men with a 16 year olds haircut run around. Haha
I am a homosexual too, but I am in no way associated with anything LGBTQIAAXYZLMNOP2S, or any spectrum.
Just for once I would like the cast and crew to tell me all about how amazing the "story" is. The fact these muppets seem only interested in gender ideology is a total red flag.
Watch the full interviews instead of these carefully cherry-picked soundbites.
With all the marketing, PR and trailers released thus far - who knows what this series is actually ABOUT other than "set before the Lotr". The trailers do nothing for the narrative, it's just a mismash of shots comprising "cool action scene", "CGI landscape" and "insert X diverse character".
Yep that's all they are focused on is race, gender and sexuality...that's all they see. They are really screwed up mentally.
This will be the worst fail in entertainment history.
Tolkien's work is timeless! Placing modern nihilistic politics, gender identity and all these ideology is precisely to put an end to this timelessness. This has to be a flop.
Thank God his work is gonna outlive this abomination.
Fak ouuuu bigot! !reeeeeeeeee
“Go woke, get broke” is a dangerous fallacy. If Right, and center, are to survive, we need a counter philosophical world view that is even MORE aggressively marketed than the way the Left market wokeism.
surely her saying 'first female dwarf' has bigger meaning....... she's not a dwarf and therefore taking the job away from an actual dwarf?.
All my smurf accounts are ready to downrate it into oblivion when it gets released.
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made
JRR Tolkien
The actress that played "Princess Disa" that always kept telling the viewers when in front of the cameras saying "You should watch Amazon's LOTRROP because I played a black female POC dwarf, therefore female empowerment" countless times already tells me that they really only care about the agenda, not the story.
Fortunately, I don't have Amazon Prime, and neither do I plan to watch this hell-of-a-show soon.
They're hiding in her skin to promote this garbage to get virtue signal protection.
She's reading from a script.
That’s her job. To promote the hell out of you 🤣
Agreed. That's inverted. If the character is good, like Brienne of Tarth was, you don't have to push the character; the viewers will take her and suck her in without being prompted. That's why I think TRoP is going to suck: Even the creators don't think the story can stand on its own without help from the real world.
@kp Amazon does have good shows on it just few of them like reacher Bosch and the terminal list my advice watch the stuff they do well and don’t bother with the fantasy stuff put out because I think the feminut woman gets really involved with the fantasy series they do
Shes the worst part of this mess tbh..shuddup woman!!!
That moment Disa looked at Gandalf and asked "who let the dawgs out?" was just so extremely moving I lost 15lbs from tears alone.
I like that part a lot as well. But for me it had to be the part where Tolkien himself appeared and told Disa to go outside, and play hide and go feck herself.
My favorite quote was " DID YOU JUST CALL ME A MIDGET, OOOHH NO YOU DI' INT. "
When Gandalf released the slaves and formed Antifa to burn down The Shire, was my favorite bit.
I think she drank your tears and put on that 15lbs.
I'm not giving this the time of the day. Not wasting a second of my life watching this, but I'll watch you guys rip it apart every chance you get!
I'm just gonna watch it to dunk on it.
Same.
THIS.... exactly what everyone needs to do, because every episode viewed, even if just to see how bad it is, bloats their minutes watched and viewership so they can go "SEE?! THEY LOVED IT!" Plenty of youtubers that will give it one watch and tell us all about it so all in all it'll get 6 actual views and 7.7 billion laughs 👌
@@ryangordon133 download if you’re going to watch, don’t give them the viewing numbers.
Agreed.
"A franchise of this scale" that's the problem right there... A collection of books written by an English author in the 1900s is NOT a franchise existing to increase Amazon stock price..
One time, at Rings of Power writing camp, we all pretended to be Tolkien fans before completely creating new characters and disrespected Jackson and Tolkien.
As a mixed raced female; 1) I've never ever had a problem identfying with characters that don't match my gender and race (and being an obscure mixed race ethnicity that I can only think of a single actor that matches, that's been standard my whole life) 2) I will never understand why people think that adding diversity to white European mythology or adding female representation by basically taking male archtypes and gender swapping them is empowering, it's not, it's insulting. It's saying that the stories and mythology of other ethnic groups isn't good enough to be told, it's saying women aren't interesting unless they're gender-swaped male characters. This isn't representation. Representation is more than genitals and the colour of a person's skin, it's their culture, it's their land, it's their experiences, it's their history. No one in Hollywood is interesting in telling that, no one's interested in actual representation. All they're interested in is someone's superficial body traits.
Spot on. Well said
Right, they don't make Journey To The West with a "diverse" cast because China would disown them XD
Thank you!!!!!! 👏👏👏
Nobody has… I’m a white guy and my hero’s as an 80s/90s kid were mostly black ..
It is not only condescending - it is also going to back fire.
Honestly I don’t care if in star trek a man or woman takes the captain seat
In don’t get the confusion here
But there are no female drawf prices
This is fully made up - this is like not only Hollywood this reminds me more about Disney taking stories and just making what ever they want with it
And then we have generations of kids growing up with this crap instead of knowing the originals and their meanings
Has anyone ever said "I can't get into LOTR because of the lack of diversity ?" I've heard people say they couldn't watch it because it was too long not because there wasn't enough characters that filled all the woke check boxes.
What an absolute catastrophe from Amazon and the backwards justifications of its performers are tragic at best.
As a woman, I've always identified with the lead characters no matter what gender or color they are. How is this so misunderstood by today's society?
honestly, I can’t remember a time when I looked at a Tv show or movie and was upset at the lack of representation. The only time as a black person, I noticed anything along those lines is that black characters get killed off first lol other than that I never complained about lack of inclusivity.
Because they're dolts.
@@suburbansadboy9668 and it's also not true. I don't think I have ever seen American movie without black character...
@@kristiankopera same. they often get killed off first, but still.
Because society is not just you. Many don't feel as deep a connection or inspiration when all they see is white people on screen.
This show is going to tank something special.
It’s gonna be one of the shows ever made.
This show is going suuuuck hard.
show out of 10
@@PNWAffliction 💯
It won't though. The reality is that many people will be watching to see if it's good, and many people will watch that won't care much about how it relates to existing lore.
The "creative" team will get their jabs in, and most people will either like it, not care, or be apathetic or ignorant to the atrocity that has occurred.
The "creative" team will then have confirmation for their cognitive bias and go on to fail upwards.
I didn't feel represented in the Squid Game, and still found it very entertaining. Those people, who obsess over being represented by skin color, etc., seem to me into the worst of tribalism, best case, or plain old bigots.
And what about "Blade"?! I loved (still love) that movie. So awesome. Blade, the character, was so very cool. I did not think or care for one moment that he was black. Oh know, I can't identify with him because he doesn't look like me! What?! I immediately thought, and still do, that Blade was an amazing character.
Squid Game was amazing. Zero focus on skin color and realistic presentation on gender. 100lb woman vs 200lb man = oh fuck.
They are racists and sexist. They just think is fine because the "race and gender" that they hate is evil (in their eyes).
But squid game was based in south Korea, you'd find it rare to find heaps of people of colour. I don't think people should care if there's black elves or dwarfs, id only care if they change lore which is what they're doing also
I think a lot of people aren't focusing on the real bad here
Yes, they're trash humans who waste oxygen.
I'm sick of the argument. As a Black American I have to say it's time to create our own. I'm tired of seeing people like myself shoehorned into a role for diversity purposes.
We should make our own. By us. Our own horror, drama, sci-fi, fantasy, etc, to stop the arguing.
As Thanos said "Fine, I'll do it myself".
Begging folks for inclusion is completely embarrassing at this point. Let's move on and do it ourselves.
She isn't the first female dwarf. There were dozens of them running for their lives in The Hobbit when the Lonely Mountain fell lol
Although I strictly agree with you, I think we both know she meant the first female dwarf character that had lines and not an extra.
Furthermore I couldn't care less they put a female dwarf in the cast. But the marketing of it being the first and claiming it in every interview as we are expected to applaud it is really turning it into a PR nightmare.
@@NFrmrsNFD nah. She was very clear to mention not even once that she's the first female dwarf. I mean how hard is it to say that she's the only femal dwarf with actual lines or role?
@@kingthranduil8807 Yep. It's one of those " Black Panther is the first black superhero to have the movie adaption." Lies, lies and lies. People need to educate themselves.
Yup. And where's the beard!?!🤣
Exactly. Just the first film had many. But of course they were not black 😬
I really want to hear the justification of why a race that lives primarily underground (the dwarves) would develop melanin to the point it would darken skin to the level depicted. The sun has existed for less than 600 years when the second age began and the elves lived in darkness before then (save during the period of the two trees and even then only in the regions effected by the light of the trees). Why would an elf develop melanin levels of that level? It would seem that the show's creators don't understand why people of color are of color. It would be like having a tribe of pale white people in Wakanda with no explanation. Amazon picked up the rights to do this show because Tolkien has such a huge existing fanbase. I don't understand why they would then, in turn, do everything in their power to alienate those fans. As far as I'm concerned, this show doesn't exist. There's no point in being heartbroken by the travesty that they are creating.
Yeah, I've tried arguments like that and been told I'm a racist and that it's only fantasy, so it doesn't matter. So their only counter arguments are to insult you and downplay the importance of the genre, dismissing it as trivial.
There was no trees. It was a myth, and a Sun obviously always existed.
Same thing that happened with star wars, they don't like the existing fans, they're simply not woke enough.
@@IkarusKommt even the rings of power shows the 2 trees in its own advertisements so that's not even a viable excuse here
Its a failure to do world building. The men of Harad were described as having dark skin and they existed in the second age since the Numenorians colonized the hell out of them. So if you really wanted a black elf then you could have pulled the good ole forbidden romance, this time between an elf and a man of Harad. The resulting Half Elf having darker skin due to their heritage. You get the free excuse of they were not around for the War of the Ring in the Third Age due to naturally shorter life span.
If you wanted to have black dwarves that would take more work but is doable, Durin's Sons went south. You could have had another group go further south in search of more resources and go into Harad. You can say that they found a lot of resources but they lacked the kind of mountains they would normally make into their home, thus they made fortress cities on the surface and simply due to them getting far more sun then the average dwarf they developed the darker skin. You can even explain the lack of beard thing as being a cultural thing: the difficulty of the journey ran these dwarves out of rope thus they were forced to use their own durable beards in place of rope, their descendants cut their beards in honor of the sacrifices of their ancestors incorporating the cut beards into offerings and artifacts made in honor of said ancestors. You can say they did not participate in the War of the Ring directly due to them helping the good people of Harad resist Sauron which reduced the amount of Haradrim he could call upon. The Second Age lasts what, 4000 years? Plenty of time for a group of dwarves forced to live on the surface to develop the dark skin.
Amazon: We NEED a huge global audience to make this profitable.
Also Amazon: Hey huge global audience...pound salt you peasants.
im sure the global audience will appreciate the hyper focus on american problems....
@@laurensb1b Artificial problems.
@@Irrashaimase1 It's funny, the media thinks we're all hyper-focused on race, gender and representation. But everyone is thinking about inflation and the cost of food and gas right now. They're out of touch with Americans today. Always have been.
@@Irrashaimase1 exactly first world problems
When you have no real problems so you make up shit to be upset about.
@@laurensb1b "American" problems......... maybe in the minds of Marxists. They ARE the problem.
As a gay Chinese ethnic muslim mother of fourteen, I think its also incredibly important that .. wait .. I'm not represented!!
Just watching the interviews with the cast makes my skin crawl. I wonder if Amazon is going to pull a Disney and blame it on trolls when this series flops.
When it fails and believe me, it will fail (I want it to fail because I’m hoping it will send a message). The fans will most certainly get the blame for it. Watching all these interviews, just makes my make stomach churn.
It's not going to flop tho, everyone keeps saying this, but it's not going to flop. Almost all big budget series that were wokefied have been critically acclaimed AND had very good viewership ratings. They have all gotten review bombed tho.
@@robmen1402 DR Who looks at your cognitive ability with shame.
@@CCovers1 There are going to be soo many "Fans" LOTR that will like it a lot. They won't care that it's not in the lore or canon. They're going to eat it up. The hardcore fans that usually care about this sort of stuff is in the minority. It's just the way it is. As for me, I don't like all this forced "representation" But, I would rather they create new characters that didn't exist to make them black or gay, or whatever instead of changing the sexual orientation or race of an already existing and established character. That really irks me. I'm not defending what is happening with this show. I'm just stating what I think will happen, based on seeing this already happen. You have to admit that the visuals are really nice. The visuals and name alone will draw in millions to watch and keep watching.
It won't do half the numbers of the Boys.
A show like LOTR having “modern sensibilities” is exactly the problem among many others. It’s the approach and messages they keep pushing that pushes people away from them.
Agreed, if you want to have “modern sensibilities” in a fantasy world? Either create your own thing or use something written with in the last thirty years, like Shannara.
Even then to much focus on “modern sensibilities” can ruin a show, just look at the BBC's The Watch from about a year ago. The actual Discworld books are in some ways very "woke" and a large part of them is about having fairly modern sensibilities in a Late Medieval/Renaissance era fantasy world, but the BBC managed to utterly ruin the concept by being stupid and doing things like casting a normal sized clean-shaven "non-binary person" as a female Dwarf who is a more or less Tolkien style Dwarf first (as in has a beard, wears armor and carries and Axe pretty much everywhere) and a female second.
I think as a society we're more divided now than we were back then.
It’s the new “religion”, just instead of worshipping a god, they worship themselves
Let’s have Orcs use AR-15s while we’re at it.
There even is a gossip, very hush hush, don't let anybody know I told you this, but I've heard that there even may be a black female dwarf in this show! They say it's the first time ever!
I know, hard to believe, isn't it?
And of course a lot of LGBTQ+++ buttsex, "the violence of childbirth" etc. (Or was that last one something from that new Game of Thrones spinnoff? Same sort of shit anyway.)
'See yourself staring back'
No. I wanna see a hero who inspires me.
I wanna feel mystified by the carefully unsaid powers of a wizard.
I wanna see someone facing their fear and being brave
Seeing myself reflected would be a terrible. I am none of these
This Amazon show is so trash that I had to watch the fellowship of the rings two times to wash it off my brain! I am black take a note
whenever she starts talking, every other cast member is like "please Earth, swallow me up right now, i cant take it anymore"
Imaging being on set all day with this.
lmao they're all thinking "get a load of this pretentious punt" except they didn't think punt.
You can tell its just about them, not representation. They feel good its them on the screen. As a black man its so tiring to keep hearing about representation, its 2022 there are plenty of black people in series and movies. Representation hasn't been a problem for over a decade. Stroking their own egos under the guise of "representation" is sad, disgusting, and boring 😒
More like 25 years. The 90s covered all this. This is just a tool for media to sell more. It has nothing to do with helping or representing anyone. They gave up on good storytelling and now they sell us this instead.
A decade? Try half a century. We've had tons and tons of minority actors in tons and tons of movies. It's only the last decade that they've made such a big thing out of it.
Amazing how the First Marvel superhero was "Blade" portrayed by Wesley Snipes... how PoC do you have to be? I looked up to Blade and even Spawn as awesome people... **NOT** because of the color of their skin... they were well written, well portrayed, and told excellent stories! I really feel sorry for so many that now have to deal with hand me down stories filled with preachy rhetoric and then be told they MUST like it because they look similar.... The whole point of these stories is that they are NOT supposed to represent the modern day... they are meant to speak to the HUMAN condition and overcoming your obstacles... Too bad the current solution is to essentially slap a coat of "brown paint" on everything and call it good...
@@edwardpaulsen1074 yes. THIS is what makes them TIMELESS.
If we are going to focus on colour of the skin, we are going to miss the ACTUAL HUMANITY. My people who are.. rakia Slavs, have a saying "we're all bloody under the skin" to signify how being HUMAN doesn't differ between race, gender, social status, or even monetary status.
These stories, focused on paint, sexual orientation and daily politics will... die off, in a week, moth, decade. Whio amongst us still remembers and understands the SW prequels commentary about Bush administration? I'm going to go with "BY FAR LESS PEOPLE than those who understand Eowyn's journey in LotR".
jeff bezos is a follower in a leaders position and when that happens this is the result.
LotR has been the single most motivational, inspirational, and influential creative work in my entire life. I have NEVER, not for one second, EVER felt like I was not represented by any of the characters. Aragorn taught me honor and strength. Gandalf taught me kindness and wisdom. Frodo & Sam taught me bravery and hope. Merry & Pippin taught me friendship and fun in dark times. I learned something from every character because they were speaking to ME, not my fucking brown skin color. "We added brown people because they're brown! We solved racism! You're so very welcome!" This is what the RoP is saying to me. It's so much more insulting to me than a full white cast would have been.
this comment is goat'd, well said
@@oak8891 hear hear!!
That's because you're sane.
The irony is that it's the activists who are racist, only being able to relate to characters of same colour. Just like you, I never related to that, I cared for the attributes.
I totally agree with this!!!
Honestly, I didn't even notice that she was the first female dwarf I'd seen. Didn't give it a second thought. Didn't give a fuck, you could say.
“This is clearly a show that represents our world today” there you go that’s the whole problem the fanbase has. We don’t want the show to reflect the real world it’s fantasy we want it to reflect the world Tolkien created 70 years ago.
Amen
You nailed it!
Lol go touch some grass
Fanbase in China: *crickets
Haven't noticed many Asian, Indian, Arab or Native American characters in the promo material.
Ahhh, nothing like the sanitized Americanized concept of diversity to help the woke crowd get their advocacy fix. Fuck me, these people suck.
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”-J.R.R.Tolkien
Awesome!
@@twicebaked7420 Yes Sir. Mr. Tolkien was very awesome.
Now name the evil!!!
@@australianhuntanstuff evil has no name but it has an agenda.
Yet Tolkien made Melkor the greatest, most skillful and craftiest among the maiar. Wish we could say the same for Amazon. On that measure they are not even remotely evil. Dumb, yes. Greedy, oh yes. Evil.. no, they lack spirit, skill and creativity to call themselves evil. Morgoth's little pet, the one that later called himself Sauron, had more malice in his little toe than the people who written and directed that show. And Sauron was a far cry from his master.
What is your character?
“First female dwarf!”
That’s not a character that’s a design.
“First female dwarf!”
Amazon: Sorry she’s broken 🔧 there we go!
“Diversity!”
Tbf she didn't really need prosthetics unlike Rhys-Davies to physically portay a dwarvish type but I'm still confused about where the tanning booths were supposed to be located in the middle of Moria or the like.
I mean I dont support forcing “representation“ where is not needed… I don’t think it should be prioritized instead of the storyline or overall quality. What I dont get is why the hell people are so pissed about a few NEW characters being dark skinned, this is such an overreaction and honestly seems indeed racist because this shouldn’t be the main focus when rating a show.
I am more worried about the elves not having the best costume design and poor writing for example (which is the case)
Amazing!!! So sad that this Amazon LOTR decided to cut us kurds, Turks, Arabs, Persian, Mexican, Natives, Latinos, Mongolian, Kazakhs, Chinese, Japanese, indians, Indonesian and treat like trash with ZERO representation 😡😡🤯🤬🤬
Exactly. The focus of the 2 age, let alone 19 rings of power era, as a story give the opportunity to focus on these people. But *NO* they only go with females and black people.
It's almost like you can't and shouldn't represent everyone in every possible form of media at all times! Diversity in is great, but diversity just for diversity's sake and retrofitting it where it is out of place is just so frustratingly *wrong*.
Translation: "It's time for fantasy to be a reflection of reality and our current world.!"
Me: "Isn't that the very antithesis of fantasy as a genre???" 🤦♂️
Such a good comment
Yes it is
I've said this over and over again. Now the past.
Great ..so expect to see Emenuron become the trusted advisor of the king by preaching " Make Numenor Great Again"
It just means fewer white people in everything. Having an all white concept is seen as bad.
It's odd, I teach language arts at international schools and I've had African, Asian and South American students all read The Lord of the Rings and fall in love with it. None of them ever said to me, "Well shit, I wish there weren't so many white people in it."
Seems pretty accessible to me.
Also, just don't watch it. Easy fix. Ignore this and let it die.
Well, i think you are praying to the wrong people mate.
The people watching this video or reading these comments are mostly of the same opinion.
We will watch AZ,CriticalDrinkers and disparus or Nerdrotics reviews on it.
@@HamsteriO0O so you're not so much of the same opinion as you are uniformly accepting someone else's opinion.
@@TheTombo1990
Just no.
Many already decided by the interviews and casting choice prior that they dislike what Amazon is doing and resent it.
Now we watch these channels to stay updated on it (without supporting it) and get comfort by seeing that more people feel the same way as we do.
The difference is those students aren't a bunch of racists who want to change historical novels because there's too many characters of a certain ethnicity in them
I suggest the next black panther film have a diverse group of people in Wakanda, including white soy boys, random Asians, and some LGBTQ, all with African accents, and the white soy boys stylizing blond afros, all which who reflect today's societal realities
"Improved representation" is so insulting. Tolkien, an Englishman, is allowed to write a story about white people. There's nothing offensive about that. There's nothing that needs to be improved. Imagine an African author writing a fantasy story specifically for his homeland of Nigeria, and then the media saying it needs to be "improved" by including more white people... 👀
She looks like Japanese woman from Wakanda
Sort of imperialistic-ish to have a control and influence over other cultures to write them in and implement basically whatever agenda you want. Very dangerous weapon in hands of the wrong people.
Exactly, rather then bringing originality by developing movies on African stories they just want destroy a classic work. I am asian by the way.
Go home and 😭
@@Kayakingoff funny lad
The best quote so far “ One does not simply WOKE into Mordor”
This is truly the work of Melkor.
"One is already woke in Mordor"
those behind the iconoclasm have been worshipping him for millenia.
When I read LOTR and the Hobbit as a 7 yo girl I don't remember Tolkien mentioning blacks, gays or even females unless they were pertinent to the story. I played a female dwarf in the Dark Age of Camelot MMORPG over 20 years ago but you don't hear me boasting about it. These people are so far up their own fat or spaghetti-armed posteriors it's hilarious. Wind them up and they bleat propaganda like good little automatons. I wouldn't watch this under pain of death.
Why wouldn´t you watch this? I mean did you hear the lady? She´s gonna be a female dwarf........
DAoC was perfection, Albion for life :).... it has all gone so downhill since then....
@@thehoodedvagabum7375 ...of color! Makes it 10000% better
@@ew6230 I know right? I played it again on a private server a few years ago that was still a pre TOA build and got totally readdicted. Played it from release for many many years and I still miss it but I can't play it without being totally immersed 24/7. No other MMO has ever been able to take it's place.
@@thehoodedvagabum7375 I never would have known kek!!
JRR Tolkien - 'Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made'
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The series is the best example of this
Interviewer: "So what can we, the fans, expect from this show?"
Cast: "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME"
Kind of seeing those dumb seagulls from Finding Nemo while reading this
@@wolftrem4206 🤣🤣🤣
Those first two and a half minutes were beautifully edited. That being said, I am in immense psychological pain now
The same I almost quit the video was to.much 2 min
So much disgusting banter and sauce from that lady
Watching Amazon slowly reveal their hand over the last few months has been disheartening because they did exactly what we anticipated without restraint.
The wheel of time desecration was bad enough but this is an atrocity.
They told us exactly what they were doing in the first Vanity Fair article. And still there are many Tolkien fans who refuse to see what is so plainly obvious.
@@richardrose2606 A lot of fans are also normies I doubt any of them know much about the second age. Also they are brain washed into the diversity cult at school and University.
So many people today want to be mad about something. At the same time, so many people today want to make all movies, shows, songs into some sort of statement. But who cares either way?! It's a fantasy show. Enjoy it or don't watch it.
I related a lot to Bilbo back in the Hobbit ; he was homesick on his journey, thought a lot about food and comfort. I also admired him for sticking it out with his friends, and doing what he felt was right even in spite of the rift it put between him and Thorin.
Duty, Honor, Destiny, Right and wrong, a lot of this is baked into the fabric of the Lord of the Rings. The world is old and rich and vast and wonderful.
I, a woman, saw Eowyn as an amazing person, doubly so on the second read. Fighting is a hardship and a burden Men traditionally make to protect and defend that which is theirs. Eowyn desperately wanted to do something active - and she did. She and Merry wound up taking down an impossible foe, but did not escape unscathed! When she was over her trials, she had a new perspective on life, and falling into that classical role of womankind as a wife was all the more desirable after the adventure was over. This is a subtle and complex change that a less talented writer would have been like "SHE WoZ UN LOVE Bcuz HE HOT". No, two injured souls dressed each others wounds and in finding that comfortable healing, drew together in a bond they would share the rest of their lives. That is a beautiful thing.
Arwen too; with her unfailing devotion is to be admired.
Galadriel, who was mentioned more prominently than her own husband in the trilogy is also striking. Wise, beautiful, and not to be trifled with. She was tempted by the ring, and refused it - and because of its destruction, it is a herald of her people fading from Middle Earth.
No, there are not a lot of women who appear in the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit books, but the ones that do leave a distinct impression. What about Tom's wife? What about Rose? What about Nobelia, the Sackville-Baggins as a more negative depiction? There is plenty of diversity of personalities, values, beliefs... that's more important than skin.
Fantastic insights. Very well thought and said.
Totally agree!
Well said. I wonder how many people are going to remember Galadrial in this? Just another trope of what Hollywood thinks of as a strong, independant woman. Or who's going to remember the 15 seconds of time that "the first black female dwarf" is going to be in. I dont even know her bloody name. None of them are going to be remembered. What will be remembered and has been remembered is Tolkein and his original writings. Those are what will pass through history. Not even Peter Jacksons awesome trilogy will be remembered. But Tolkein will. And Strider, Legolas, Gandalf, and the incredible world and characters HE created. We dont need to watch this horrid butchery of his work because we have the right of it. We can ignore amazon and read his books. That will take you back to Middle Earth far better than any amazon show they just threw money at and turned it into an inclusivity, female centric, white men bad, joke. Hell, people are even getting pissed cos they think Orks are Tolkeins representation of black people and so orks are racist. The world we live in now is ridiculous.
Thank you 😊 💓
Waaaah waaah my fantasy world is ruined, “others” are in my safe space. Lol, are you guys grown men SMH. Your whining reminds me you don’t have real life problems.
Those looks and stares from the cast members speaks volumes. It reminds me of the captain marvel interviews where the cast was so visibly annoyed with her that ghey too couldn't hide the disdain and I have to say, it takes a lot to get to that point, especially because these are literal actors who pretend for a living. However, it really only takes a couple of minutes for these people to start talking and you understand the pain of having to go around and be seemingly led by the dumbest and least talented person on the set.
this is fantastic. Sophia clearly has no idea how grating and condescending she comes off. This show will sink deeper than Numenor and her non-career along with it
She reminds me of my mom lol
These people tend to fail upwards tho ... so one can hope it will sink her career but it probably wont.
In every interview she only repeats to same few lines like a parrot repeating things she heard "I'm the first female dwarf of color" "Diversity and inclusion" "lets intertwine 2nd age of middle earth with 2022 earth"
She will def. be the cringiest one of the show hands down
I genuinely hope this woman's career burns with the show.
As an Asian person, I dont care to see Asian elves to "represent" me as an Asian viewer. That would be ridiculous and out-of-character for the lore like this one. I've watched movies with predominantly white actors my whole life and that has never bothered me! Give me a well written story with actors that can bring the story's characters to life as writers/authors intended. Please don't make movies awkward.
Nothing says “I’m lazy” like latching onto pre established stories and distorting them to fit your narrative. Write your own stories and create your own worlds it’s not hard but it actually takes effort
That's the thing; the people adhering to identity politics are either too lazy or too stupid to come up with their own stories. So, they turn to actual storytellers and demand 'representation', or risk being labeled every istaphobe under the sun.
Bingo
But more importantly: it takes creativity.
A characteristic of real wokers are decreased empathic capabilities. As a result they are only able to concentrate on little parts and unable to oversee the total or details.
Man you nailed it.
This couldn't be closer to the truth. They are absolute parasites that cannot exist on their own.
One thing that really pisses me off about all this 'representation' and 'inclusion' drivvle is the fact that Boromir was literally the representation of humans within the story, regardless of gender or race. That's why he makes the mistakes, that's why he's corrupted because when real people are in there most desperate times they can sometimes make stupid descions, but when push comes to shove he stands up to rewrite his wrongs and stand up for what is right! That's why he's the only actual human in the fellowship. Obviously Sam and Frodo are also relatable but as a representation of HUMANS boromir is perfect.
Boromir one of my favorite characters after Bilbo!
I never thought about it that way, thank you for making his character even more poignant to me.
Same for Faramir.
Exactly though Faramir thanks to his greater humility finds it a little easier to throw off Ring's attack.
I llve boromir!
Didn’t Tolkien really just want to write a deep and rich myth for British readers? Could have sworn I had read that somewhere.
So it's not for anyone in the US?
@@thee_morpheus his intention was to write a possible folklore for the british isles because there is non such written down. Indeed it's for people around the world like for every other written down story is for everybody to read. But geological its placed in europe as far as somebody could locate a fictional story
@@LordEladan he also drew from Egypt, Byzantine, Greek, and Finnish folklore and themes. One letter mentioned wishing to create a sort of folk epic for Britain he felt was missing but he said no more of it really.
yes, but he also hoped to inspire others to do the same for their cultures, because he felt the modern world had lost something with the loss of it's mythology, a deeper connection to the generations that came before.
@@petriew2018 He wasn't wrong.
What is contracted: Amazon, you are not allowed to directly portray the other books written by Tolkien for these time periods or use them directly as your main storyline.
What Amazon interpreted: We are not allowed to study those books and works as reference for detail accuracy in our own story, so lets not even bother reading them.
Not being able to use those works, doesn't mean they couldn't still study them and use them as reference for the accuracy of their own depicted timeline. By nature of ignoring those works entirely, you submit your own production to status of fan fiction - aka work that does not abide by the official lore and may even directly contradict said lore.
Amazon, what a shitshow.
u know..... she looks like the type person that would wear very VERY Loud perfume and have really hot breath in all her interviews, LMAO, just saying........ she looks like *that type* XD
now BOW DOWN Because She RULES YOU!!!!!!
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1100 people agree lol
What a riveting pilot! I was on the edge of my seat when Thanos said "I don't even know who you are" and Disa replied "I'm the first female dwarf of color" just before she dwarved all over him.
I hate the concept "You need someone to look like you on screen". I've played so many games, watched so many shows/movies, read plenty of books. It's not difficult at all to relate, sympathize, and put myself in a character's shoes that look nothing like me. Just because they slap a character that may look like me, it doesn't boost my opinion of the product.
This concept works for kids who don't really understand what they are watching and for morons for the same reason.
These show runners think skin color and gender is how we connect with fictional characters. Which in turn, they view as the prime defining characteristic of a person. So they're obvious social activist freaks
People have related to different species, let alone people with different skin colours
I don't play a lot of games, pretty much just wow. I usually play female characters and some people seem to think it's weird for a guy to play a female. My character isn't me, it's not even human and I don't need to spend hundreds of hours looking at the back of a dude 😅 I sometimes read fan boards on shows I like that look like they might be cancelled and there are a lot of people out there who have a lot of trouble separating actors from the characters they play so who knows how they personally relate to things 😆
@@willb1405 I was about to write about how people relate to aliens/ghosts/animals/toy characters in a lot of movies, especially dedicated to kids.
As a non-dwarf, non-elf, non-hobbit, non-dark Lord, non-wizard human being, I find that I can't relate to anything in LOTR. They need someone to look and be exactly like me for my tiny brain to fathom a connection.
About princess Disa, I think she missed her true calling a few years back.
Imagine her as Deloris Umbridge
I always thought that the character was perfectly cast before. And couldn't be improved upon. But this one would be an interesting variant!
Underrated comment already After 10 mins
@@andrew.2907 😂
To be fair though, there has been many a great comment on this video already. Though I think mine was decent, it is one of the many here. Maybe Amazon should start hiring us as creative directors
Indeed
@@Drag0nvil actually Netflix, Amazon, and Disney should start hiring 11 year olds for writers and producers, it would be way cheaper and way better content.
Wow, she would be the perfect cast for her, she would not even have to act at all, for her it's all natural.
She's in love with the sound of her own voice, and you can see by the reactions of her co-stars when she starts talking just how insufferable she is to be around. She's the Brie Larson of this cast, just not as abrasive.
"Insufferable" is on point. I won't suffer to watch it at all. Certainly not to see just "how bad IS it?". I'll just wait for fallout.
Evem Brie Larson is still better than her
Dolores Umbridge. This is the annoyance and anger she creates around her.
I don't know how you can say such a thing! She is absolutely likely to be as abrasive as Brie Larson. So unfair to make your assumption
*self evident on so many levels*
To give another show on Amazon Prime as a contrast, the Expanse has a diverse cast, and does play against gender stereotypes to a certain extent, for example, with Bobbie Draper as the Martian Marine, but each character is not there because they are a TYPE; they are individuals who go through their own character arcs, and it is through their personal growth against adversity that we come to identify with them. Although I like a lot of the characters, the one I identify with the most is Naomi Nagata. Being a white male, I don't identify with her because she is a black female--I identify with her because she is an engineer, and her intelligence, resourcefulness, and creativity are qualities I aspire to as I study to be a cybersecurity analyst. THAT is a better way of getting people to respect diversity...
Actually Amazon destroyed that story as well, read the books. They are nothing like the show, they changed genders and races to meet their PC ideology.
yes but my TV says that all I should be concerned about is what color someone's skin is and whether or not they tick any other boxes in the pantheon of The Message. Being good at something, or having a compelling story is an anathema to The Message. So says my TV anyhow. I wonder why there's nothing good on any more..
Loved the Expanse. It's unfortunate they ended the series without being able to fully explore the major plot they had spent years developing.
I just hope you don't overlook the fate of humanity for some bullshit reasons like Naomi
So how is she representative of female dwarfs? Why didn't the producers get an actual female dwarf if they wanted genuine representation. This is disgraceful. She doesn't speak for dwarfs! Shame ROP!
I'm not a dwarf. Nor am I a blonde elf or a brunette elf. I'm not an incredibly fit man, good with swords and daggers. I'm not a tall, immortal wizard. I'm not a tiny hobbit and yet I absolutely love the Lord of the Rings, books and movies. I didn't need to see 'myself' on the screen to feel the need to see it.
Vanity is one hell of a drug!
The Rings of Power is going to suck so hard, and flop so spectacularly, and I am looking forward to every moment of it. I hope they have to withdraw it from viewing after it debuts. It's so wonderful to see the true majority speak, and to know that the woke dystopia that has been foisted on all of us is only the demented perversions of a small demo, and not what most people want to see, or have anything to do with.
@@grimepilogue2831 I thought I replied, but it's not here. Hmm... Oh well. Yeah, this show will "succeed" whether it really does or not most likely. I won't be offended if it finds a niche and an audience. The source of the offense is buying Tolkien's name and titles, and then trying to pass this generic fantasy mish-mash off as Tolkien and LOTR and insisting it's wonderful. These tactics have grown wearisome, and just about everyone is onto the ploy. Woke as a word for progressive is one thing, but it's woke coupled with pseudo-intellectualism and a big dose of entitled arrogance that has so many people ready to choke someone. It's a stylish trend, a fad. "Inclusivity!" "Diversity!" "Trans rights!" Stunning and brave, not! Why don't they just grow their hair?! Or cut it all off?! Or have their eyelids pierced?! Or start a band?! It's not a travesty to have escapism and fiction in entertainment! I hang out with me all the time. I'm the last person I want to see when I sit down to watch something. The world was not prepared for three generations of entitled and self-centered little shit-brain turdlettes! How old are you? Can you answer my questions?! Lol
Have you seen the new poster that shows galadrial in a dress under an arch with a sword that's been clumsily photoshopped into her hand?
It's like someone thought 'we can't have her looking like a woman at all, quick give her a sword in a weird angle for some reason'
The people who make this show are insane..
They smoke some strong Hollywood crack.
So so pathetic isn’t it
Holy shit that is a good call. It would have been a legit poster too with some great light work, posing and framing but then someone had to paste a sword on her to fulfill "The message"
I also think we’re starting to see the incompetence of the younger millennials and zoomers really shine through in the professional world. I knew it was coming. When I meet people my age it’s rare that they have any actual skills or experience.
They better use real fckn Elves, Dorfs, Orcs, and Goblins next time or I'm gonna be super offended 😡
LOL, Tolkien did write signposts for the Amazon writers, like "wrong way", "do not enter", "dead end", "bridge out", "road closed" and yet the writers just keep on going in a full sprint. Also great editing on this video!
_RaNgS of Power_ works on Wile E. Coyote physics, as long as no one stops to realize they've run off the cliff they think they can make it to the other side.
Missed opportunity for “you should not pass” 😂
"This sign can't stop me because I can't read!"
"First female dwarf"
I'm quite certain Gimli described them as something so closely similar to male dwarfs that non-dwarfs couldn't tell the difference.
He did exactly that. Good point. Also, if they had actually watched the Peter Jackson films, they'd have seen numerous female dwarves on screen. This actress is full of shit. She's also not playing a dwarf anyhow. She can call herself whatever she likes, but she isn't portraying a Tolkien dwarf.
Pretty sure they had beards too didn’t they?
@@dv6342 Oh yes.
For sure had beards
well... he didn't lie u know =D
"Now they get to see themselves starring back at them." The true motivation of this entitled and therapeutic generation: narcissism and navel gazing.
For real these SJW communists are fucking disgusting. From that old dementia ridden fool they illegally installed in the White house via fraud and military force, to their brain damaged SJW asshole "actors" aka adult pretenders pushing their VILE and disgusting communist antiWhite agenda, the sheer level of egoism and self love involved in all this vile propagandizing and altering of Tolkien for the sake of their evil communist agenda, it makes me SICK.
I really do HATE these people like I have never hated any other. Even guys I've fought. We need to shut them down ASAP. Boycott the shit out of them, keep spreading the word how this is gonna be a bomb, and that it needs to be boycotted; spread how insulting the cast and crew are towards both Tolkien and US the intended audience. Let's make this the biggest financial disaster in Amazon's history. We'll make them KNOW not to try this again and cut losses while they still can and GET OUT and stop abusing Tolkien's works.
If she didn’t have a beard as a dwarf then it isn’t canon
The narcissistic request from viewers these days to require characters in media to "represent" their surface level characteristics is so weird.
What ever happened to imagination? Imagination doesn't require lazy reflections of whiny viewers to be inserted into media.
That intro ending with "SHUT UP" was everything! Never stop making these videos. This modern madness must be put down!
Don't watch the show on Amazon!! It should go without saying, but I know a lot of fans who still plan to watch it just to see what a mess they made. I think one of the best things we can all do is to NOT support this horror by watching it on Amazon. I get that some Tolkien fans might be very curious to see just how bad it really is. But remember, it doesn't matter WHY you watch it... you are still supporting it by pressing play. And there are alternatives to watch it without involving Amazon (and boosting their numbers in the process). It will be available from "alternative" sources shortly after it starts airing. So if you absolutely have to watch it, use those!
This!☝️ To paraphrase Overlord DVD: "Without respect, we reject!" Vote with your wallet, or in this case your play button. Do not give them one minute of your time.
Sadly it has too much fans to not succeed and the casuals wouldn't care less
Nah I’m gonna watch it and love it. It’s a billion dollar show. Nothing you can do to stop it😜
@@jadenw-d5562 Sure. Go ahead. Enjoy! The simple mind is always easy to entertain 😉
@@TheMagpie4Real Just like the Jackson LotR films then 😝
I like how they're trying to make a movie set in a different world at a different time a f'ing "modern film". I don't understand what goes on in their head. It's Tolkien's vision, not the wokeness going on in our world.