How Tory Lanez' Lawyer 'Failed Him' | Joe Reacts to Tory Lanez' GUILTY VERDICT
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*love how this legion of men who barely finished high school are now experts on the federal rules of evidence and criminal procedure*
Precisely
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like high school teaches you something 🤣
@@Numbers-mc2ks the point
you
Exactly. Were ranting and raving for days like they were experts on the case and didn’t even bother to look up what the charges were 😂😂😂. Getting all their info from IG blogs and TikTok’s
I feel like in black community, we make too many excuses for people who do the wrong thing.
Yeah, sad but unfortunately true.
I feel like Kelsey should be punished for firing too.. what do you guys think?
@@shamiramonique_ can they prove it in court ???
Except kelsey let's just ignore the evidence against her😂😂
@@shamiramonique_ there not much go off that outside GSR and one witness who isn’t that credible. If Meg said she shot her than yeah it up for trial but nothing really points to Kelsey as a shooter.
Threat = Assault, Actual violence = Battery
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Before I even listen to this whole thing let’s be clear, Tory failed Tory. That simple. But proceed…
Actually the system failed Tory. The witness stated that Kelsey fire the gun during a fight, had gun shot residue on her hands, was granted immunity so she could confess but wasn’t granted the correct immunity to fully protect her, Kept pleading the 5th & had motive. The reason her & Meg lied about the fight is because it lead to her firing the gun. There was a massive amount of reasonable doubt and he should have never been found guilty.
Men have to stop caping for Tory Lanez. There’s a lot of truly innocent brothers out here and we’re worried about a man that is reckless and put himself in a bad situation.
Exactly. He did something STUPID and now he has to pay for it. CONSEQUENCES
So why’d you say MEN?? MANYYYYY WOMEN feel the same way‼️ You seem very much JUST ABOUT GENDER BIAS which is DISGUSTING ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@@vissysoundkiller 22 years is just simply dumb? Especially when he may not be the only shooter?
They charge him for the gun not shooting meg
He didn’t do it so he needs our support
So no mention of the jail tape? Why do we listen to these clowns for news? We know more than them.
They know that's the sick part about it all THEY FCKNG KNOW but These are people who always think they right and will NEVER ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG
This is recorded before
THE NEIGHBOR, Kelly CLEARLY LIED‼️ He said 4, 5 shots in the air.. there were only 5 shots in total and he said the females were with it first. His entire recant should be dismissed‼️ Also HOW CAN TORY SHOOT IT WHEN HIS DNA WAS NOT ON THE WEAPON‼️ and “coincidentally” they only checked Tory for DNA as if they had an agenda way before trial started‼️ Let’s use common unbiased sense please‼️
These dudes tryna cope with the fact they defended Tory and shaded Meg for years only to be wrong. The fact that they didn't even know Tory's charges lets you know how little credibility they have with discussing these types of matters. I enjoy the pod for their commentary on Hip-Hop & some of the life dialogues, but there's clearly a misogynistic bias when they discuss matters. Joe should've just applied his general rule of not discussing street issues & ongoing cases cuz he and his team continue to look like sexist clowns on this matter.
To be clear I'm a longtime fan of the pod and want them to succeed, because of it's implications for the future of creators, but few know how to sabotage themselves better than Joe Budden.
No Tory is innocent
@@MakaveliG17C Lmao Innocent of all 3 charges? Please list them all and which ones he's innocent of.
@@mbealhighjump every single one
@@MakaveliG17C 🤣🤣🤣
People also shaded Tory
Tory Lames lawyer didn't fail him, he was just guilty asf
No he was innocent
Exactly they want lawyers to do miracles but the facts are the facts he thought he would get off like oj the thing is oj ass wasn’t on social media or making songs antagonizing his victim his victim was dead plus tony yayo said if you have victim who gets on the stand and points at you as the shooter your cooked your not winning that Tory dumb ass should’ve just took the plea deal but no now it’s looking like he’ll be doing 15 and will be facing deportation the immigration officials already contacted his lawyers and told them he’s risking of getting deported
@@MakaveliG17C innocent like OJ Simpson, that's why he'll he thrown into jail for a decade or more.
@@alien-hs1zn EXACTLY. His arrogance caused him not to take the plea deal, he thought he could have paid off Kelsey and the eye witness but the jurors saw right threw it and found his wicked ahz guilty asf!!
@@ivysmith2794 factssss he got to cocky he’s low key a sociopath he’s was literally antagonizing that woman but then apologized to her on text telling her he loved her nigga is crazy he at where he needs to be
It’s pretty simple , he absolutely did this , and he should have taken a plea deal because the evidence was pretty clear.
No he absolutely didn't. Kelsey absolutely did tho
@@bRenegadez 😂this shit qanon for niggaz I swear god bless you man
He didn't take a plea deal because he would have been deported either way, so he tried his luck.
He's just lucky he still has dumb people like joe caping for him hard and viewing him as a martyr
@@jgivens637 🤣🤣🤣👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
It clearly wasnt that simple
I can’t believe I used to watch this podcast faithfully lol
Can't really blame the lawyer when the defendant is texting incriminating evidence to the victim and apologizing on a recorded prison phone line. The best thing a lawyer can due in that case is NOT get you the worst case scenario.
He didn’t admit to anything regarding shooting her
@@JimmyCooks969 he didn't directly admit to it but he apologized "This never should've happened and i was drunk" he said it without having to say it directly. It was enough to infer. preponderance of evidence.
@@JimmyCooks969 he was overly apologetic and sounded guilty asf on that call to Kelsey…doesn’t matter if he didn’t admit shit or not this case was about reasonable doubt and that call was a very damning piece of evidence against tory
@@JimmyCooks969 he apologized for something he did not something he said....there is a huge difference. Also, him and his lawyer was painting Meg out to be drunk and incoherent etc...but he admitted he was so drunk he couldn't control his action...he shot her
@@ytname7005 wasn’t expecting logic in this comment section
Tory failed himself by firing that gun 😂
But it wasn't him that fired it tho
His DNA is NOWHERE on the gun. Proven by his lawyers doctor that examined and by Meg doctor who examined it.
@@Darksaige It wasn't on the magazine but on the gun it was inconclusive. That evidence is neutral, not in Tory's favor
@Jerry Lewis Exactly that trigger was pulled accidentally as someone was trying to wrestle it away making it fire at the ground and striking Meg nobody ever think maybe 2 friends teamed up against him once they kissed and made up after fuckin the same nigga Gunna a snitch 2 weeks later Tory a pos because he didn't snitch only in are culture can u not win for losing this case go deeper then this the nigga ain't shooting at no bitch feet tellin em to dance come on how many movies we seen that scene in
@@CyberDyneSystems77 I don't argue that point at all. I was just looking at the fact nothing definitive was found by yet he was found guilty after all of the fumbles by the plaintiff.
Reasonable doubt is doubt within reason. You can't just throw a bunch of things at the wall and hope it sticks. The opening statements (Tory isn't the shooter) didn't match the closing statements (Okay maybe he did shoot, but that don't mean he hit her). Your story has to be coherent if you're trying to win that case and Tory did not have a strong alibi
He’s innocent
One of smartest comments I've seen on this platform. The doubt the lawyers tried to create wasn't "Reasonable" and didn't cause the Jurors to doubt that Tory was guilty.
You sound stupid., defending someone who didn’t defend himself.!! What innocent man don’t scream to whoever would listen that they innocent and tell what happens when facing 22 yrs!! You telling me your not going to take the stand and tell your part of the story? Stop being stupid.., who going to sit quietly facing 22 yrs if your innocent in court and do say nothing!! Stop it!
Kelsey is obviously the shooter, why does everyone ignore this?
@@bRenegadez bro,, ask the dude who going to do the time for her?? Wtf. Lol
The neighbor never said he shot the gun in the air. He said he shot everywhere. Y’all hearing in the air cause that’s what Akademiks and Milagro told y’all he said but that’s not what was in the transcripts. Even if he shot in the air, what goes up comes down, and those bullets still hit something or someone. Shooting in the air is also illegal.
Even Kelsey said Tory shot in the air in her original testimony. Tory did not shoot that girl. The witness said he was shooting in the air everywhere
@@JimmyCooks969 Tory said himself Kelsey didn’t do anything lol. And he never said in the air, he said he was shooting recklessly everywhere.
She said he INTENTIONALLY shot her which is a damn lie she played on for sympathy
@@veronicaa870 🪑 🪑🪑🪑 have several seats
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“I was getting my journalism from bias sources” me too Joe 😂😂😂
I was getting mines from mialgro bias source lol
I knew they were bias because I read the charges so I knew they were lying but boyyyy was it entertaining😹😹😹😹
Which sources were unbiased? Because they all were biased on both sides
@@rellysunshine9665 there was journalist there that were reporting.
@@janeli4616 journalists aren’t biased? Oh you mean like that Nancy Dillon from Rolling Stone? She was very biased.
Bruh these Oldheads so lost in the Sauce lol.
Not even possible lmaoo ain’t been on earth long enough to critique
@@devonpeterson1769 you're right, thats what the Judges, Jury, and Lawyers were for lmfao.
Barber shop talk
What yall think about the leaked audio where Tory incriminated himself? Hope yall got footage discussing that
What did he admit to in the audio?
@@joshlawson111 he didn’t have to admit to anything for a reasonable jury to conclude he was clearly apologizing for shooting her lol… take the cape off for the leprechaun bro, he’s guilty
@@chrishenri2509 lol my bro I don't even listen to Tory..im just looking at it from a legal point of view. He could have just been apologising for how everything panned out that night. I feel his lawyers really f'd up. There was reasonable doubt
@@joshlawson111 The doubt wasn't reasonable when lined up against the facts.
@@chrishenri2509 ur a gullible idiot. he didn't explicitly apologize for anything. furthermore the even better questions that NOBODY seems to have the answers to is why is Kelsey even on a phone call with the man who allegedly shot her friend and beat her up. Why is Kelsey on the phone willing to bail out the man who allegedly shot her friend and beat her up. and why are you by the next day MEETING WITH the man who allegedly shot your friend and beat you up. and lastly, Why is the man who allegedly shot your friend and beat you up OFFERING TO GET YOU A LAWYER. Ya'll seriously lack critical thinking skills and its sad lmao
I still got a billion questions but at the same time. This shit stupid pulling a blick on someone unarmed wild.
Tory ain’t pull a gun
@@MakaveliG17C why even bring a strap to a Kylie party...that's on him.
Y’all will come up with anything to defend Tory but it doesn’t matter how many think pieces y’all write, or how many untalented men come to his defense, his ass is locked up! Period… I’m not surprised considering what Joe did to a gf of his that was pregnant with his child.
What did Joe do?
Shut up. You wasn't there.
@@ytname7005 Made her get a miscarriage
Triggered 😂
@@ytname7005 he beat Esther Baxter and made her pregnancy terminate
Torey's lawyer was defending public opinion of "He shot Meg" more than the actual gun related charges... tsk tsk tsk...
I've never seen a defendant beat a case when the living witness pointed that person out as the individual who shot them. Meg said "nigga you shot me" thats clear and concise for a juror with common sense.
Not talking about tory but if someone lie and say you shot them and u know u didn't but the other person say did and the jury agree do that mean u did it
Yeah if I have bullets in my feet and shells are lying on the ground!
Lol you heard Yayo say that. Shut up
Tony yayo said the same thing to said he should’ve just took plea deal and call it day but sense he took to trial he’s looking to getting 15 to 20 years tory fucked himself
@@r.b.r.b.8713 when you have 5 people who witnessed something and 3 of them point to one person.. what other conclusion should the jury have come to? The other two witnesses didn't take the stand.
Tory's Lawyers blowing the court version of a 3-1 lead in the Finals. Is CRAZY!!!!
He was never in the lead
@@KiiDMaGiiK yes he was. He was still leading when the trial ended. The jury was forced to say guilty
@@KiiDMaGiiK he was. The Defense poked holes in Megs credibility as a witness and Kelsey switched up on the stand. Had they not overplayed their hand which got Kelsey’s deposition to be played and not put on the worst defense witness in the history of law on the stand they Tory would’ve won the case comfortably.
They were so arrogant that they thought they didn’t need the additional witness who was the driver because they didn’t want to wait a week. They really thought they had it in the bag even after all the F up’s on their part. Worst defense team of all time.
Lawyers can’t change facts
@@superdupeninja8149 true. But They didn’t have change facts. Just create reasonable doubt which they did successfully. And we’re in the lead until the second half of the Wednesday. Where they committed Mal Practice the rest of the way lol
This “manosphere” internet has got a lot of yall fuckin confused 😂😂😂 that man shot her. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true.
You can't prove that with the evidence we have beyond a reasonable doubt and that's the issue.. everything that you will say is just opinion based and can be rebutted
@@PizzleP yes you can there are 3 eye witnesses, gun residue on this man . Kelsey’s texts immediately following the incident.
To believe he is innocent is to believe that Kelsey somehow lost her complete memory and instead of throwing Torey under the bus while he is attempting to throw her under it, she decides to forget who did the shooting when only 4 people were there lol Expect a witness tampering investigation because Kelsey convenient memory loss feels an awful lot like Torey lanez tampering to keep the nail in the coffin
@@jgivens637 So if we go with YOUR theory that's to believe that Tory was dating/messing with Kelsey first, then messes with Meg, this gets exposed that night for whatever reason, Tory and Meg argue, Tory shoots Meg and beats Kelsey's ass too and yet and still ironically she just wants to "protect him" over her "best friend" who was shot? The same best friend that according to both of their testimony, they didn't have an altercation that night with each 🤔 yeah, okay 🙄
And someone Tory became some huge multi-millionaire who could afford to pay off multiple people to cooperate and attempt to cover for him, especially Kelsey while his defense is painting the picture that Kelsey is the shooter.. say that shit out loud and tell me how much logical sense that makes on Kelsey's end? Kelsey who's MARRIED now attempting to protect another nigga she used to be smashing and who smashed her "best friend", beat Kelsey up (allegedly) and is trying to put the shooting on her. That's who she recanted for.. Yeah, makes a ton of sense 🙄
By the way, you failed to mention gun residue on Kelsey's hand as well, no one has yet to make that make sense from someone who "didn't" touch or shoot the gun. Not wanting FULL immunity as a "victim" from what happened that night
You better preach! These incels out here masquerading as bloggers got these dudes moving mad!! Black men HATE the idea of "symp", but they keep symping for manosphere clowns who STAY blaming women for their dry d*(ks.
@@geminiaxelrod4592 🙄
Is everyone forgetting the shade room comment where Tory replied to someone that was claiming that Kelsey shot her and then he said “That’s not true” his whole defense was to point the finger at her. He didn’t even bother to sit on the stand to defend himself. If your life is on the line and you’re innocent, sit on the stand. You know who don’t defend themselves, guilty people. Kelsey’s testimony sealed it for him.
Kelsey said she lied. She asked for immunity and plead the fifth for a reason. When Tory commented that, no one was charged with assault, he wasn’t trying to see anyone go to jail. It’s also technically true, no one shot meg, it was a ricochet
Damn he said that in a comment? That’s out of control.
Are people also forgetting when Tory said Meg was never shot? But we're supposed to believe now when he says Kelsey shot Meg.
They brought that comment up in court and prosecutors had to admit that they never tracked the IP address that that comment came from. It also came out that Tory doesn’t run his IG page so there’s no definitive proof that Tory made that comment
@@jas1565 here comes the gaslighting. He never said she wasn’t shot, he made a whole album questioning her integrity. There’s literally audio of the gunshots.
I love listening to people with no law schooling discuss legal procedure and statutes
People outside the system not questioning the system lead to nazi Germany
The Cashmere sweatsuit is next level, Joe been going off since the studio change lol
It killed me that this entire episode that did everything but cover the possibility that TORY ACTUALLY SHOT MEG. All their scenarios were basically he didn’t do it but this is why he was found guilty.
Hell no they won’t, because they don’t believe he did.
The min you take that gun and fire it around other individuals, you take whatever comes in the aftermath. I’ll never understand why people get drunk. You have total control over that, unless you’re held down and tortured by someone pouring it into your mouth
Also the charge wasn’t whether it was his gun but rather if he was in possession of an unregistered firearm. Which if we’re following the scenario y’all think happened which is he emptied the clip after Kelsey did then it means he was in possession of the gun which was unregistered. This case was honestly not that complex but people just wanted Megan to be a liar soo bad that you never even considered whether Tory was the liar.
*whether
Tory can't be liar cuz he never said anything lol, regardless meg and the girl lied no fight we might of bumped, only left the party once, wasn't messing around with dude, immunity
@@carnell5479 he said Meg was never shot. He said Kelsey didn't shoot Meg. Those are two lies that we know of.
@@jas1565 he questioned it , it was made out like someone pulled a gun out and shot at and into foot, dance b right because Jack Harlow is better lol
@@carnell5479 he didn't question it.. he said she was lying about being shot. And how are you going to question if she was shot then pin it on someone else?
Lol if Tory was trying to “empty” the gun all he had to do was take the mag out and rack the slide. Simple
Even more info has come out since this was recorded. People gonna be trying to do some damage control.
You know that jail call has been known about for years right. It don’t prove anything. You just speculating what he apologized for
The evidence weak. Free that man
@@MakaveliG17C lol he in there getting his ass beat, stop carrying illegal guns wannabe thugs. Go get it licensed and registered.
@@JimmyCooks969 More evidence dropped. You got the see what the jury saw.
@@JimmyCooks969 it hasn't been known for years. Nobody actually heard the phone call. He sounds guilty in the phone call
BOTTOM LINE , IF YOU SHOOT SOMEONE AND YOU KNOW THAT PERSON is GONNA TESTIFY AGAINST you AT TRIAL YOU HAVE to be A DAM FOOL TO GO to TRIAL BECAUSE IT'S a RAP ! TAKE a PLEA Like YESTERDAY !
Tory's atty needed to attack the charges but all he focused on was who was sleeping with who. The neighbor was Tory's witness. Did his atty ever go over what the witness would say on the stand and practice with potential questions the prosecution may ask? $hit show frfr
They did speak to the witness and he spoke to prosecutors a day before he testified and said he’s his story to say they were both shooting. There was some shady stuff going on. He also focused on the relationships because that’s what caused Meg and Kelsey to fight and gave her the motive
@@JimmyCooks969 if the defense prepared their witness properly then the prosecution would not have caused him to change his story. The relationship doesn't refute the charges. The charges were: possession of a concealed, unregistered firearm; negligent discharge of a firearm & assault with a firearm. How does the love triangle answer for these charges? His atty botched the job
He was giving motive, dummy. Kelsey was pissed that Meg kept “backdooring” her
@@rellysunshine9665 no need for name calling. He got to do more than establish motive. Does that motive explain away the possession charge? Does motive explain away the charge of negligent discharge of a firearm? It does not and that's where his lawyer failed.
@@violetedge83 it wasn’t his job to explain away those charges. It was the prosecutions job to prove Tory guilty and they didn’t. It’s doubt written all over that trial. Even the assistant said he saw a weapon packed in the girls bags.
I always laugh when Ish gets this lil tone when he’s trying to get his point across.
Of course if you look at the charges and actually look at proper reports with the evidence from the source you will know he did that shit! Come on. Even if he got off he still did it! They covered the whole thing horribly.
You clearly haven’t looked at all the evidence… go look at the pre-trial
Agree. It’s really annoying hearing all these extra grown men with a massive platform not take the time to get the facts before discussing such a huge case.
Tory is innocent of all charges
You know you don't have to shoot the gun to empty it. You can just...take the bullets out.
So i guess they didn’t hear that call from jail. And i don’t wanna hear that I’m apologizing for hitting both of yal. I’m sorry.. that’s not the first call I’m making from the cell. That guilt was eating at the Bol.
Seems like after all the facts came out. His lawyer played the cards he had.
Who in the hell can say the evidence wasn't there, when the woman he shot said he done it?
Exactly!
💯💯💯 They didn't realize Meg was a WITNESS!
Facts! If the victim testify in court and says you do it, that’s it lol
Only thing a lawyer can do at that point is take the self defense route lol
@@DM-lj2mn Even Stevie Wonder can figure this case out.
This must be before all the evidence came out because it’s obvious he did that shit and the charges absolutely fit. I do agree that he had a trash ass lawyer. That case should have been handled differently. He should have definitely taken a plea deal…what’s really sad is that black men and women hate each other so much we made this case about black men vs black women instead of what it really was. Tory was tripping, he messed up and now he’s going to have to go sit down for a minute because he messed up 🤷🏽♀️
The only evidence that got revealed was Kelsey Motive to kill Meg and to say Tory fired but to ignore Kelsey making a full effort to go search for a weapon and use a weapon ( even brought other weapons according to the stylist testimony ) against the woman she was fighting is mind blowing. Sean Kelly changed his story multiple times and changed it just enough to help the prosecution after they secretly spoke to him to half hazardly claim he at least out a finger on a wean which to do that you have to acknowledge Kelsey actions and they ignored just to rush a verdict out before Christmas. This trial was not based on facts it was based on feelings.
@@ianrussellallcaps 🥴…They have audio of him calling Kelsey and apologizing for his behavior that night. He said he knows Meg will probably never speak to him again. He was just so drunk. Kelsey is at the hospital with Meg. So you mean to tell me Kelsey just shot Meg and went to the hospital with her and Tory is apologizing to both of them for his BEHAVIOR THAT NIGHT but Kelsey is the real shooter 🥴. In my opinion the witness mistook Kelsey for Tory or was initially going to lie for the defense like Kelsey but prosecution scared him. His story makes more sense when you hear Kelsey’s full interview. Those people reporting the story wanted us to think Tory was innocent but that wasn’t the full picture of what the jury saw but I’m sure you’ll still be in denial.
Talkin bout he need to go and sit down for a minute 😂. What you know about doin time in the county or the state. What actually happened has nothin to do with what happens in your case. Court ain't about justice, it's a game 🤦🏿♂️. Whether he was trippin or not, he could of got off Ma
@@marquettegloves9907 you think what he did was okay? 🥴. This is a scary world but okay. I don’t know nothing about no time. I be in the house and that’s where I’ll stay. Y’all weird to me.
@@mobellescorner9702 I don't know shit about shit. They business is they business. All I'm sayin is justice ain't what court is about Ma. If you'd sat there while a bunch of lawyers and judges twisted the truth about you, then sentenced you to years, and then they jokin in the hallway and planning their next golf outing, you would know that. Good for you stayin in the house, but that ain't for everyone. Also none of my boys hate black women, but if you actin goofy we don't want you 🤷🏿♂️
Kelsey literally played it smart and was 10 steps ahead. She texted Justin so it wouldn’t trace back to her and got on that stand and said she didn’t see anything because that’s the truth. She didn’t wanna commit perjury. She didn’t see Tory shooting because she was the one who shot it. She literally said she lied in that entire 80 minute interview and I believe that because Kelsey was smart enough to corroborate with the DA story so she could get that Immunity deal. She was smart asf. But one thing about it and two things for certain what’s done in the dark comes to the light. She can only hide behind this lie for so long. Bits and pieces are gonna start coming out soon enough. Remember I said this. Even if it’s years from now remember I said this.
You are dumb . Tory said kelsey did not shot megan
Period!
Yeap
Your lawyer can only fail you if you hire him
I swear
Lmao tell me about it. I've only had 1 private paid attorney and our relationship ended with him ignoring my calls weeks on end because i didnt give him more money but NO RESULTS and fired his ass. All the public defenders I've had have never fumbled the ball at all. Motions filed on time, calls and text answered, and never waste time.
So deep 🕳️
@@mrg7304 ALWAYS pay your lawyer in FULL = that way you might not even have to go to trial = ALL lawyers are FRIENDS = most prosecutors used to be “assistants” to DEFENCE lawyers (most likely YOURS) = they can simply have a phone-call about the case OR the prosecution knows how good your lawyer is, so they know him showing-up means YOU paid him & he’s ready to fight = 9 times out of 10 a PAID lawyer gets the case dismissed or STAYED (charges are paused for a few years & if you avoid charges during that time period, the charges get disposed) = pay your lawyer always, it might save your life
If she was scared for her life, why answer his call calmly and update him about the night in question not even 24 hrs after the incident
I want to understand why Kelsey was so calm when taking a jail call from Tory, after “HE” allegedly beat her up, and shot Megan while she was trying to stop him. Then she proceeds to tell him where she is, and what hospital Megan was at. She even stated over the phone, it’s best to get you out on bail now, because the longer you are in there, the hotter it will get. Why is this not In question? An apology was made but not directly for what was accused and that has to be a matter in this.
This! 🥴
I mean it could also be argued it's weird for her to be so calm if she shot the gun and Tory has no reason to cover for her. If she shot the gun it's weird she isn't in any way apologetic knowing Meg is in the hospital and Tory would be in jail for something she's responsible for knowing she was friends with or cool with both.
Kelsey could just be weird tbh.
But the evidence points to Tory. Even in the call he was worried about backlash to him, to Meg never speaking to him again ( never mentioned not speaking to an “us” including Kelsey), to him being too drunk to remember specifics. And that's just the call.
No one testified to Kelsey holding the gun and the defense didn't establish a clear motive for her either
@@oreoblast2012 I’m not going to base her actions off of her being “weird” That makes no sense. She’s just “weird”??? But she knew to ask for immunity and play dumb on that stand. the evidence points towards Kelsey too. Why do you guys miss that part? Residue was on her hands. Tory’s DNA was inconclusive when if you fire a gun multiple times, it shouldn’t be, at all. The weapon experts even said that on the stand. But you guys seem to skip that part. The witness said he seen Kelsey with the gun first and the first shots came from her, yet that’s being ignored. Why? Why ignore one fact to pay attention to something that is not fully proven. That’s reasonable doubt and you should not be able to convict someone 100 percent based on trash evidence.
@@kingtaylor9362 it’s being ignored cause he NEVER said that! Lmao where the hell do y’all be getting your information from? He never said he saw a female with a gun, hell he even said he didn’t see the gun till Tory got out the car and then he saw him fire it in the air everywhere!!! Y’all are literally just sitting up here lying making up shit. There was gun residue on Tory too. Funny how you conveniently leave that part out
@@kingtaylor9362 actually he said he saw a muzzle flash come from the females direction, BUT NEVER SAW THE GUN! He never said he saw Kelsey go get the gun. He never said he saw a fight for the gun.
Anyone shooting a gun with no purpose needs to be locked up.
That wasn’t the plea deal, that was a charge they added 2 days before the trial.
Yes but it was the plea deal first.
@@Pjiggy no it wasnt
There are minimum sentencing guidelines for certain “crimes” and weapon charges are one of them.
Somebody was going to jail for the gun 🔫 some laws are stricker than others they was concerned about the gun.
The eyewitness said he saw 2 woman fighting. Who had more reason to harm Meghan?
If I was innocent I'd be screaming from the roof tops,
The misinformation is wild. Question Why would both Tory and Meg protect Kelsey?🤔🤔🤔
Great breakdown!👏🏿
I don't like how nobody mentions Mr. Kelly also said he saw Kelsey shoot in direction of Meg while Tory was still sitting in the car before Tory ever fired a shot
Lol who's gun was it tho? He was going to jail no matter what
@@iceman1821we still don’t know who gun it was tho
@@iceman1821 Megs she has had a charge and her ex bf said she pulled a gun on him . Either hers or Kelsey allegedly . How would Kelsey know to pull a gun if she claims she didn’t know it was there
@@iceman1821it was Megan’s gun. Ej basically testified Meg carries gun and he “may” have seen something that looks like one in her bag that night
@@iceman1821 it wasn't made conclusive who gun it was 😂
Some one educate me on this… I thought if a story doesn’t match or if there’s any inconsistencies.. the Jury is suppose to throw it out
Supposed is the key
Not at all. Juries can disregard all, parts or take what they think is credible and matches other evidence. It's up to the lawyers to highlight how something fits within evidence and cross to highlight if it's not accurate to facts. Varying levels of inconsistencies in testimony isn't uncommon especially with ancillary details when the events happened years ago, for example it happened at night vs afternoon. They originally saw two people but it was 3, person was wearing blue but it was black etc. There are also cases where witnesses interview to something but don't remember at trial ( for various reasons) and cant testify to that etc It's up to the people making the case to argue if any inconsistencies are material and/or if that makes the whole testimony unreliable.
That only happens in the movies. In a real life, there are always inconsistencies in cases. Defense was not able to refute hardly any of the 47 items of evidence by the prosecution.
@@amsoftdev i get that but I thought the judge is suppose to tell the jury that though.
@@oreoblast2012 i always thought the Judge is suppose to enforce that to the jury , especially if someone is caught lying
If he shot her, the charge would’ve been attempted murder. Just stop saying he shot her. She lied and said he shot her and folks just ran with it.
I'm on your side with the grey area reasonable doubt, but he wouldn't be charged with attempted murder if he shot her due to where she was hit fam, so just had to correct you on that
Shooting someone in the foot wouldn’t be attempted murder? But ok
That’s assault with a firearm dummy 😭
@@njmedina9848 shooting at someone 5 times isn’t attempted murder? They knew that man ain’t shoot her
@@JimmyCooks969 they know that man did shoot her and I fw Torey over Megan but I’m not dumb. Y’all must be actually slow to think someone is gonna really going to say someone shot them if it was entirely someone else. Y’all acting like this a whole “Gone Girl” type of situation or something like no ppl do fucked up shit regardless of whether you fw their music or not. You didn’t see the video of him jumping August Alsina just for not shaking him up? Lol whatever y’all are just too dumb.
They are stupid as hell. you got someone shot, you have the gun, and the person shot remembers who shot them. who doesn't get convicted on this?
The phone call the next day cooked him, at the beginning of the call you are notified the call is being taped, from the beginning he was told to shut up. He put his self in this with his own mouth. His mouth was his greatest enemy. Jimmy Mac
where is the accountability for Tory Lanez?
He should be held accountable for being fboy and keeping wrong compan😢
@@houseofmatrix6174 what about shooting Megan?
See that’s the thing. If you shoot a gun and hit someone even if it wasn’t meant to hurt them in LA it’s still assault.
That's assault everywhere
I think everyone understands that but I personally not gonna respect the person for lying about how it went down. I wish she would just admit to how it really went down instead or trying to make herself the perfect victim
@@rhondac.891 Still he shot her
Shout out to Joe Buddens for having grown man Energy when he said "GET THE THUGS OFF THE STREET- WE GOT IT WRONG"- How we gonna be about "Us" but women are a discretionary asset? In other words how can we treat a womans life (Meg) less valuable then Tory's Life. I love Megan and Tory as well as everyone else there. He a grown man and a sharp cat at that and unfortunately he had a rough night that day and there are consequences for that. He shoulda took that deal.
Tory is innocent. We didn’t get it wrong. They just couldn’t afford not to get a conviction
And then came back and said he was joking…
Lmao Joe budden said he was joking lmao you didn’t even finish the show
@@georgestanton1845 For real fam
@@NurseKaraB Yea I finished it but I have inside connects he had to say that cause Tory connected to Power dudes like Drake etc. But Joe Has a conscious and some integrity shooting a woman with a gun should never be excused fam cmon
Kelsey was intentionally attempting to cause reasonable doubt when she altered her statement- it was clear and ultimately it was the phone call that got him but his lawyers defence approach was not sufficient in this case…
I’ll have to read the full case but he has a few holes he can get through for another chance
That witness switched his story a day before after talking to prosecutors. There’s 100% something off about this case. The witness was sure that two women were fighting and the girl fired the gun first. It’s highly plausible Tory was just trying to control and direct Kelsey’s arm and the witness lumped him in with Kelsey and said they were both shooting. Tory VOLUNTEERED to get dna tested. Someone who knows they fired that gun let alone touched it is not going to do that. If he fired that gun 5 times, his dna would be conclusive. There is so much reasonable doubt in this case
A case technically doesn't end until all appeals have been exhausted or a positive resolution has come
You weren’t in the courtroom and probably got most your information from like Dj akademics. You don’t what reasonable doubt was established. I do find it was funny that everybody ran with the Kelsey shot her story when literally no one said Kelsey ever shot Meg including Tory. Tory actually said Kelsey didn’t shoot her.
Nigga wrote a essay for nothing 😂😂😂😂
DNA being inconclusive on a gun isn't uncommon at all. All you'd really need to do is wipe it and/or hand it to someone else in many cases. It's only reasonable evidence someone else did it if someone else's DNA was conclusive which wasn't testified to. Hence not really reasonable doubt when the other evidence points Tory.
@@oreoblast2012 the man volunteered to get his dna tested, he was not forced too. That speaks volumes
His charges were his. That's that. All his charges were on him.
He’d have no charges if he wasn’t lied on and targeted
@@MakaveliG17C y'all wouldn't be here defending dude if y'all just didn't hate black women lol
How was this even close to proven BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT??!
Joe got that shit on 🤟🏽 cozy vibes
Why would Tory’s own witness say he saw Tory point the gun in the air? Mind you, he says this a day after he disappears with the prosecutor and DA… food for thought
Bingooooo!
Lol the topics that joe is biased on are always super obvious. like he couldn't hide it even if he tried "I do see a scenario where you could shoot around someone without trying to injure them"
Lol what?
That's not bias, it's true. It's not smart, but I've seen it happen before. It did wind up in the person being charged too, but you can definitely shoot around a person with no intent on hitting them, just scaring them. It is stupid though
@@PizzleP Bra if you’re shooting around someone, You have very little care in the world about injuring them.. Bullets ricochet .. I never shot in the direction of someone and thought 💭 I hope i dont injure them
@@treydeuce8479 Understood, but that's you fam. I have an example of the situation happening on the other end, where I was present and aware of the person's intent prior to it happening. It's VERY possible. I stated that it's stupid, which it is, but it's also very possible to intend on scaring but not harming someone
Joe already stated he hates Megan
@@PizzleP respect
This whole situation is so confusing. I’m here like I really don’t know what to believe at this point with this story because so much has been said and was happening so fast
And y’all ain’t slick with these re uploads, where the new pod at😂?
Wow. This whole discussion is trash 🗑️ It’s not blk men vs. blk women. It’s about right vs. wrong and under no circumstances was it right, okay, acceptable for that woman to be shot. And whether idiots say there was reasonable doubt, not once did Tory declare he didn’t shot that gun. Also, if there is 23 years on the line you should call out who did what. So either he shot or he don’t wanna snitch on Kelsey. Regardless, someone needs to be held accountable. Tory choose jail. 🤷♀️✌️
I’m tryna hear that episode when they heard that phone call , I know for a fact all that biased went out the window
We been heard bout that jail call. It doesn’t prove jack. A girl you just assaulted and who’s best friend you shot isn’t going be talking that friendly on the phone and agree to bail you out. Let alone tell you were Meg’s location is. Nor would Tory ever mention Meg getting any backlash if he did what they trying to say he did
@@MakaveliG17Cnah Jail call proves a lot. Glad Tory is going to prison tbh
Sad situation 😢 bro.
So did they ever discuss on this podcast the jail phone call? Or did they skip over it?
Let's keep it 💯 it's not about Tory's lawyer he was already guilty before the trial even started this was never a fair trial from the beginning.
He’s not guilty
@@JimmyCooks969 That man is innocent but they needed a fall guy
Exactly. Just think how you lose the fragments that could make the case legit. An x ray can’t determine fragments it just shows a depiction. Meg initial story was glass and a doctor treated her for that. Next thing you know she’s being flew to New York and the whole story changes smh. Like the angle of this trial was already janky
All I gotta say is if you hear that Kelsey interview with prosecutors and you have no questions or suspicions then this was never about the truth for you at all 🤷🏽♂️
She was super calm and talking. She laid that shit out like a fucking map.
@@thatraspyshxt she was calm til she started talking about getting iced out by Meg. then and only then did she get in her feelings. It's so many things wrong with that interview I don't even know where to start lol
The same interview she admitted under oath that she lied about?
@Damn Jamz I think what gets me is she acted like she didn't understand why they iced her out. Can't be talking to thus said person under any circumstance. Whether his driver had their belongings or not.
@@bgtheiceberg she tried to muddy the case up because she felt betrayed.
I watched a defense attorney go through the evidence and I see why the jury found him guilty. And she said Tory's lawyer was not being thorough so he wasn't being a good lawyer.
The lawyer looks like The Big Show
Tory’s lawyer low key was in a no win situation. I’d he beats the charges for Tory in court, he’s looked at like OJ Simpson’s legal team for “getting a criminal off of shooting a woman” if he loses the case he’s celebrated by Meg’s team for basically being JR smith in the finals and now he’s hated by Tory’s family and fan base. Only silver lining for him is either way he gets paid. Lol
Is that not a defense attorney's job?
Wym? OJ defense team all benefited from beating that case
I just don’t understand how he didn’t defend himself, and let everyone make they own judgement. He was screaming he didn’t do it and how she this and that., but in court he chose to say nothing. Makes no sense if your innocence.. how can you defend someone who done defend themselves!
He could easily incriminate himself by taking the stand
@@davidman6166 well David if it’s that way he where he needs to be at
@@davidman6166 beats the other option if your innocent and letting people come up with they own story of what happened or taking someone else word for it! Stop being stupid., if your innocent you tell the jury from your mouth what happened and what you didn’t do from your mouth under oath.. that’s what a innocent man do that’s facing 22 yrs., they would never be quit, I would tell everyone that would listen what happened
The reason they didn’t put him on the stand is because he would have gotten annihilated on cross examination.
Because he will win in the end, just watch
Where I Flip come from😂😂😂
Lit ep
Ya’ll still making excuses but def not keeping the same energy.. and Flip worked the 1st day as a guest but he sucks with serious topics moving along
Crazy how you can be found guilty for shooting someone and have no dna on the gun nor any gun residue on you
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The DNA was INCONCLUSIVE, that doesn’t mean that his DNA wasn’t on the weapon, it simply means that they were not able to make the determination.
He wasn’t convicted of that. he breaking it down and u still don’t get it
@@SapphicSteph also initially Sean Kelly didn’t say anything about Tory having a gun in his initial witness account
@@NurseKaraB there were still two witnesses who pointed to Tory and *no one* who testified to anyone else even having the gun without using Sean Kelly's account. It was only suggested by the defense Kelsey could've had it but there's no concrete evidence pointing she did.
Jayz has Dez Perez, the one biggest snitch running Roc nation. She got 40/40 closed down and ruined the label. Nobody is really there anymore.
The fact that these men sit around and talk about other people every single day is crazy to me
Why would Kelsey shoot her boss that girl had recently moved everything from Huston to LA to work for Meg why would she then shoot her and lose everything. Not only that Tory put online that Kelsey didn’t shoot anyone 09/26/2020 and it stayed there. Nobody else had residue but her and Tory if he said she didn’t that leaves him and driver. He said everywhere. Finally someone understands this was a weapons case and not a Meg case she was simply a witness.
Megan beat her up. Did you not see the pictures? You know Megan even tried to snatch her chain that night right?
@@MB-es9ft don’t care they proved their case just bcuz u don’t understand which they just broke it down none of that shit matters bcuz it was a weapons case. They proved he carried it was loaded unregistered and that he fired it. Also in her interview and when they friends put her on blast she said Tory kicked her ass twice
@@RawJLP32 yea Kelsey had an attitude seemed like she was passed when the police got there
@@NurseKaraB Meg paid that girl rent for a yr. Why would I do that for someone who shot me
She didn’t shoot her and everyone knows that. They hate Megan so much that they are willing to overlook all the evidence based on the Charges
You know what’s wild? Right before the trial Tory’s high powered attorney Shawn Holley dipped last minute. If you go check, she is now executive producing a show called Reasonable Doubt based upon Jay-Z’s debut album which he owns the rights to. It premiered not too long ago. This is way deeper than we think
What Tory lanes owns rights to reasonable doubt ?
@@oliverjames9102 no Jay-Z does. That means they had to work together
So roc nation set all this up. From start to finish? They told kelsey and tory to start fucking each other get into an argument fight and then for tory to shoot a gun at meg or threaten her with a gun?
Idk wtf yall on but I'm glad I only stick to trees because yall be saying some dumb shit with the confidence of a genius.
@@oliverjames9102 ikr all to promote a show lol jay did all this to promote a show because hes that desperate lol my god. Makes 0 sense.
@@joe1192 they sayin his lawyer sold him out to get a production deal w/roc nation cause everyone sayin rock nation behind Meg or whatever. I think.
Ish look fed up already 🤣🤣
Queenzflip 😂😂I’m old school jbp this man is that unfiltered
Y’all stay making excuses for this man.
What I don’t understand is what motive does Meg have to lie and say Tory? If her and Kelsey are beefing to the point that Kelsey shoots Meg, why would Meg lie and say Tory?
nawwhh sounds like you were one of the outlets Tory was paying to go against Megan.
There’s been a new development in the case. Someone enhanced the gunshot audio. When there’s a pause after the third shot, you can clearly hear Tory say “Stop, okay”. That man was really just trying to stop Kelsey from shooting
Or he told Meg to stop.🤷🏿♂️
Someone enhanced audio 🤨
Where is the enhanced audio? I am pretty sure someone added some audio magic to get the TL ppl going.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@janeli4616 he really saying this on a lot of videos like it’s true 😂😂
Stop meg
We really don't know. His lawyer could have told to take the plea. And in his over confidence he was like, nah, I could beat this. We just don't know what was discussed behind the scenes.
That don’t mean drop the ball . He needs da baby lawyer lol .
He was over confident cause he didn’t expect the independent witness to switch his story after speaking with prosecution
That was a charge he’s talking about was added to the other two charges 2 days before trial, it was not the plea deal in itself.
Y’all know you can’t have a debate about court without the honorable judge F’uhkerydemiks
Frfr y'all need to STOP commenting on legal issues until you learn the law. Yes, simply pointing a weapon at someone is assault but SO IS SHOOTING THEM 🤦🏾♀️, which is what he did. If you would have read the entire penal code you would have saw that Pointing a gun is simply the minimum action you can do in order to be charged with assault.
The job of the prosecution is to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 1. His DNA was not conclusively on the gun. As the subject matter experts from both the prosecution and defense explained, if he shot a gun 5 times, then his DNA would conclusively be on the gun. 2. Every witness, apart from EJ, has a different version of events. This is crucial because it means no testimony can be believed. As a witness, your credibility is everything. 2b. They should have questioned Mr. Kelly about his eyesight; Does he wear glasses? How good is his vision at night? Why was his original statement, Hours after the event, drastically different from his account 2 and half years later? Come on, which testimony would you believe? My recollection of events two years later is worlds apart from my original testimony. 3. EJ explained Kelsey was known for carrying self-defense tools, and he saw something that looked like a self-defense tool in her bag when he moved her bags. 4. Kelsey was given immunity and still pleaded the 5th. 5. The position they were arrested in was not the seating position they originally occupied. 6. The gun magazine had a female DNA profile on it. - This is key for anyone who messes with guns. 7. Kelsey's DNA was never taken and compared to the DNA on the gun. 8. The LAPD did not collect all the evidence at the crime scene. Despite what was claimed by the witnesses, how did Tory Lanez (who was coming from a pool party, dripping in water and having shorts on) shoot a pistol and, as stated by the eyewitnesses, without leaving conclusive DNA on the weapon?
His defense attorney failed to lean in on the DNA portion. I can promise you if Tory Lanez DNA was objectively on the gun, the DA would never have let that go. DNA is the glue of the case. If I was his defense attorney, I would have put the witness testimony against the DNA to prove my client did not even touch the gun and had this case dismissed. If the client did not touch the gun, He couldn't own it, he couldn't assault anyone, and he couldn't definitely be the shooter beyond a reasonable doubt.
Granted, there is more evidence. However, the question in criminal law is not is someone innocent BUT does the evidence substantiate Guilt BEYOND a REASONABLE doubt? All the inconsistency mentioned here does not suggest guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. To argue differently is an emotional cry, IMHO.
You don't know what you are talking about. How do people collect DNA evidence? From blood, bodily fluids from the end of a hair follicle or lacerations not just holding a gun, smh.
@@afrikopopfitness6745 HIs DNA was not objectively on the gun. SO my point stands.
While I do agree that EJ was the only credible witness, and I don't believe they proved his guilt beyond reasonable doubt. The subject matter experts did not testify that his DNA would've been on the gun after firing 5 times. There's no way to quantify how much firearm use will leave behind a conclusive DNA sample
DNA on the gun? Lmao so you wanted there to be spit, blood, ear wax on the gun? DNA isn't necessary for a conviction when an eye witness see him shoot the gun.
Reasonable doubt is never 100 percent for most cases, unless there is video evidence. There isnt that much doubt when kelsey Meg and the neutral witness statements are almost the same minis kelsey having the gun first.
@@ytname7005 Kelsey, Meg, and the witness had a lot of differences in their statements. The witness testified about a 3 on 1 fight that neither of them mentioned. He testified a spark coming from near two women, and on top of everything he said he doesn't know if he saw a weapon, and he was focused o. The safety of his son. Neither women mentioned the fight, and Kelsey flipped on her own interview. Only person who was consistent was Meg, but the witness testified events that she didn't mention, she didn't remember going back to the party. Then the hairdresser testified to how drunk they all were, and how Meg is as a drunk.
The only way to believe he was the one who shot beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence presented in court is if you cherry pick portions of testimonies to suit what you want to believe happened
I find it funny how her fans trying to say she tried to protect him. She went and spoke to police 4 days after the incident, no one reported she was shot but her. She made a statement on ig the next day and said someone tried to harm her with intent. Meg is complete cap, she never tried protecting anyone
She tried protecting him as in she could’ve called the police at that exact moment and said “hey this black man shooting this place up at Kylie Jenner house” and then those police officers come and blow his head off- no trial needed.
That’s how she protected him. IG post has nothing on a casket
@@4everBreezy bro she went on ig live a month and a half later and acted like she was still protecting him. What are you even talking about? She went on live and said Tory shot her on August 20, 2020
She did. The story was released without names the very next day. She didn't say shit. But he did. And that's when she did that live weeks later and said what she said. TORY FUCKED HIMSELF.
@@4everBreezy but why is she protecting someone that tried to take her life? 🤔 She even continued to say she stepped on glass when she was in the hospital far away from Tory.
Dont think about the consequences, just make foolish choices, smmfh
Why were feet bleeding profusely in that video? The doctor retrieved bullet fragments in her feet. He called and was apologizing adamantly. What was he apologizing for?
There is still way too much that doesn't make sense to say that he's 100% guilty or innocent, which is "reasonable doubt" 101. If he was clearly guilty with no holes, multiple lies, evidence, etc. to back it up then I have no problem with homie having to deal with the consequences of his crimes. But we've seen waaaaaay too many people get found innocent after serving 20-30 years for crimes they didn't commit to just throw away all logic and say there is no reasonable doubt in this case.
I really dont think the standard person knows what reasonable doubt means. Not only that the legal definition of reasonable doubt is spelled out to the jury by the judge at the begining of every case. Like they said on the pod the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt has the everyday person confused. It's more about it being unreasonable to believe someone isnt guilty or to believe their alibi. I can't rephase it verbatim here but you look it up it will make sense.
He admitted to shooting her in an audio?
@@fightvale57 Is that question to me? 🤔
@@cnsmooth yea, reasonable doubt is really based on likelihood of a theory being more right than wrong....if that make sense..
When the prosecution has 47 pieces of evidence and 3 witnesses who corroborate that Tory shot Meg, I'm not sure how any doubt could be considered reasonable.