If the co-founder and Gunna are pleading to say YSL is a gang, and Thug's defence is to say No - YSL is not a gang, but a record label and a clothing line, then clearly Gunna and the co-founder are helping the prosecutors to establish their point about YSL being a gang. Hence cooperating/snitching to get a better deal, which they both got.
Not only that, but he literally answered "yes mam" that he's aware of crimes they committed in furtherance of the gang, said yes they are a gang,.and said yes he will *testify truthfully* if called upon..... *MEANING THEY CAN ONLY KNOW HE'S TESTIFYING TRUTHFULLY BASED ON STATEMENTS HE'S ALREADY MADE WHEN GETTING THE PLEA DEAL*
If the defense is YSL isnt a gang and Gunna admitted YSL is a gang and Young Thug is accused of being the leader then it only stands to logic that Gunna snitched on Thugger even if he didnt specify any particular crime committed.
He told them he was in a gang...... Which he was....... YsL was a criminal organization and Thug killed more black men than George Zimmerman and Derek Chauvin combined
But Joe also made it clear he doesn’t really see it as flat out snitching. But as cooperating. Which is still frowned upon nonetheless. But we shall see
Y’all all dumb as fk if you think gunna gave them enough information from that plea to make any difference in the case. Thug has the best lawyers money can buy, saying “yes it’s a gang” when they rap about extortion & murder doesn’t help the prosecution. They were well aware it’s a gang, which is why the RICO is happening in the first place. Y’all fr stupid, it’s sad.
I think if you consider all this hip hop you are right. But most of us old heads dont consider this hip hop, not the stuff happening today. Seem more like youngness than a culture. Definitely not how hip hop started in 80s or tried to maintain thru early 2000s. We refuted any behavior shedding negative light on hip hop culture, constantly reminding them, "This not what we doing." My 2cent/input.
Cooperating is not the same as snitching. If you are going to be convicted bc they have substantial evidence to bury you, you would be the dumbest mfer in the world to take it to trial just to lose and get quadruple the amount of time. The Alford Plea Gunna took can be used to affirm the case of YSL being a gang, but the gang shit is light. Thug would be pleading out too if he could but he doesn’t have that option. Thug is going to lose trial and be gone for life.
@@contradataxman2991 you a civilian so you will never understand Gunna knew what he signed up for they had nothing on him he should’ve took it to trial
@@Hightz216 u don’t know who nor what I am. I’m not going to sit on the internet trying to prove a point to u..lol…my current attorney is Careton Matthews who’s been in the courtroom every day this week representing one of the co-defendants in the YSL rico…u sir r the civilian just talking bc u have lips…I know EXACTLY what I’m saying. I just got out of Rice street 2 months ago.
these guys are ALL rats, that's why! They're playing stupid on camera because they're not playing = these guys literally don't know the difference = if they're in the station they're talking without realizing it
Anyone see that episode of sopranos where Johnny sacks takes the plea deal and then it cuts to Phil saying you never admit that this thing exists lol that’s basically dry snitching 🤣😂
Giving any information is snitching. Make the Feds their job. I’m not even a street nigga. But these niggas wanna promote negativity, but don’t stand on the consequences!
Like Joe Budden said, 69 got on that stand and told on EVERYBODY😂😂 even people that had nothing to do with his own case. People are still givin Gunna the benefit of the doubt cuz he hasn’t taken the stand yet. On top of that Gunna is actually likeable, and humble. 69 was a very dislikeable person and trolled everyone😂 so ofc ppl are offrip giving Gunna the benefit of the doubt and not 69
We have so many fake people in the hip hop industry. When its their fave rapper taking the stand/cooperating/snitching - people turn a blind eye, give excuses and call it something different to make it seem like its part of a bigger plan to get out. If its someone they don't like, then this is their reply to the same circumstances 🐀
It's dry bc he didn't say young thug did x, but he pretty much only is leaving one assumption for people to make. These kids with no clue what they're talking about.
@@colinwhat769 🤦🏾♀️ the root of a RICO charge is acting in concert. Him saying YSL is in fact a gang goes against Thugs entire legal defense that they're not a gang. Him saying he had personal knowledge of the gang committing crimes goes against Thug's legal defense. He confirmed EVERYTHING that's been alleged against Thug. You young people always trying to remix shit.
@allthewayupNORTH _ Snitching only refers to if you do the crime and tell on your boyz. Gunna didn't do any crime with them. Gunna was collateral damage
He 100% told bc he confirmed YSL as gang and committed crimes in the gang name. That ties up the Rico against young thug. He indirectly ratted along with the rest of them that got out. They got rid of the phone found in thug house and just had the other tie it together. As part of plea he had to affirm the prongs of the rico charge. If they call him he definitely taking the stand or he going in for 5. Ish saying big time lawyer games but state ain’t passing out time served just because. They could have kept gunna in there they wanted that confirmation that YSL is a gang. His own lawyer said folks talking it’s gone be a tough fight.
Right. That admission was there for a reason. Wasn't just background music. They will literary use that admission of his as a statement by what they will call a 'fellow gangmember & co-defendant' during Thugs trial. 🤦🏽♂️💔
Just now there won't be any goalposts. It's being moved that often now. And they only move it for ppl they like. If that was any other person, there would not even be a debate
Homie really doesn’t want to believe gunna snitched smh lmao. Snitching isn’t only stating names and what they did , there’s different ways to snitch. By confirming ysl is indeed a gang that’s 1 , 2 the gun and drugs wasn’t his only thug was in the car with him sooooo smh lol stop being choosy the hell
"2 the gun and drugs wasn’t his only thug was in the car with him" it is hearsay in court. I got pulled over with a loaded firearm in my car with my friend who is a felon on probation. I also had a warrant at the time might I add. Me and him both did not claim the pistol and said it wasn't ours which created unreasonable doubt and the case was thrown out. So that is not snitching at all my guy. Him claiming YSL is a gang is the definition of snitching bc that can be used against thug. Everyone who took that plea deal admitting to ysl being a gang easily just gave thug 25 to life.
U do realize 69 got on the stand and told on everyone😂😂😂nigga told on people that ain’t even have nothing to do with the case that boi 100% ratted there’s no debating that. 😂😂😂
@@yooitsbj I could be wrong I think what he's implying is IF the FEDS ALREADY KNO whatever u(the informer) states is just VERIFYING. As for SNITCH9 oh yeah I 💯💯💯% agree with u HOME BOY Gave an ENTIRE DATELINE REPORT PLUS threw in some FREEBIES😅😆
He snitched. If he had plead out and only indicated himself in whatever crimes it would have been cool but since he implied that thug and others were involved he snitched and will likely be called to testify
Exactly that statement in the court said you admit to being in a car, just you and young thug, you guys had illegal weapons, methamphetamine, and I can't remember the other class of drugs, and you admit this were in the car but not in your possession. Only 2 people in the car bro, the court is setting it all up. Maybe gunna, thug, and their defense team have some grand plan. Odds would be they don't and that the gang is caving in on itself.
Gunna snitched because he was aware of YSLs reputation before he signed to them (ex lil Wayne tour bus shooting). He didnt have sign to Thug. He wanted the opportunity to get hot but being affiliated with thug you take up any street/industry beefs he had. Thug knew that and wasn't naive to that fact so yeah he's snitching.
@@jesussinaloa9300 how do YOU know what Gunna was aware of before signing to YSL?! Seems you are making an assumption based on what evidence?! The internet lawyers are never right!! Just concluded another criminal case in Cali in which so many people in the court of public opinion were biased, uneducated in criminal law as it varies state to state. So they created a cesspool of misinformation, lies, and negativity.
They not giving plea deals out the goodness of their hearts lol. They giving out pleas to get information to use on the one that they want. Why are they asking questions to get answers when they not going to use it after. It doesn’t make sense to me.
The whole point of a rico is saying they’re a gang involved in criminal activity. Which Gunna confirmed. That’s ratting and it’s not like he was blindsided they told him what the plea was beforehand. Thug can’t even have communication with Gunna so he couldn’t have told him to take that deal😮💨
Y’all all dumb as fk if you think gunna gave them enough information from that plea to make any difference in the case. Thug has the best lawyers money can buy, saying “yes it’s a gang” when they rap about extortion & murder doesn’t help the prosecution. They were well aware it’s a gang, which is why the RICO is happening in the first place. Y’all fr stupid, it’s sad.
Ish changes his views based on if he likes a person or not. Gunna was on video. Also, State and Federal RICO’s are not different in results. And if the state needs more resources they can call in the feds.
Yea so u don’t know what the hell ur talking abt. If the Feds had a strong enough case to try and convict YSL for the very same RICO, the Feds would have been the ones to pick the case up in the first place. The truth is, the state’s case is decent but not a slam dunk which is why they are trying it instead of the Feds. The Feds do not push a case unless they know they almost def will get a conviction out of it. Also, the results are not the same. Gunna and the co-founder would not have been released with time served and 5 years probation if this were a federal case. All y’all folks in these comments are clueless and never been in trouble to this degree ever!
“I’m never gonna be the one tell on my brother when police has got us detained.” -Gunna He is going to be called on later. Let’s see how many people say he ate the cheese later.
Prosecutor asked gunna , is ysl a gang. Gunna response in court on video , yes. That's all they need. If that ain't snitching..... I would not park illegally around gunna😂
Young thug: we are not a gang Gunna: yes mam ysl is a gang How is this not snitching. Yall pick and choose depending on who you like. South Africa, Johannesburg 📍
You got to have real niggaz on the same page can't be doing anything just to be that's why I stay in my own lane because a lot of this niggaz don't be on the same page they be yelling gang gang until they get behind the jail
@@bluesclues4371 to my point, you can’t just go to a judge an be like nah don’t give him 12 yrs. Give him 7 and I’ll take 2 to make mine 7. If the court wants yo ass they not gonna make a deal. Like right now, if Joe and ish got locked up and ish got 10 and Joe got 3 Joe can’t pull up and take years off of ishes and then they both get 5 that’s not how it works. Unless you snitching….
@@joejtutuola2456 it worked in there case. Every case is different. If Bobby took a plea he wouldn’t gotten less years than roddy. he didn’t and they got the same amount. Bobby knew roddy wasn’t doing shxt by himself so instead of selling him out he stood ten for his homie. Not saying Gunna HAD to do the same thing but it looks crazy cus gunna always rapping about how he wouldn’t do what he’s doing rn lol
Dude in black is the biggest dummy, and so is the dude in the teal. He went into a store with a group of people who all stole, no one knows they stole, everyone who stole says they didn't steal, you take a deal admitting guilt that you stole and seen others steal. That's snitching. I don't give a f what some random lawyer said.
I can imagine the investigators telling him he was a victim of YSL's manipulative and coercion, saying he was tricked by the criminal group into thinking it was only a record label and after he was involved and used as an accomplice they held it against him. Then they slide over the packet of McDonald's and a mcflurry and say "Look man we seen you going through withdrawals in here, you losing weight and your mental health aint been looking to good" "You know my kids listen to your music, im not much of a fan but i dont think you deserve all this, so look man we just need a witness testimony and we'll have you out by next week, then you can go back to the money, cars, girls and you'll have your freedom back" (I mean shii if they sold it too me like that I'd prolly talk too🤷♂️)
Affords plea; A defendant (Gunna) in a criminal case does not admit to the criminal act and asserts innocence, but admits that the evidence presented by the prosecution would be likely to persuade a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
It's a Rico. He didn't personally admit to a crime but admitted his affiliate, said organization (YSL) is a criminal organization. This acknowledgement kills the defense of multiple defendants arguing that said organization is NOT criminal. It also confirms the DA's argument that YSL is indeed a criminal organization. He can take the stand and plead the fifth amendment in court for optics but the jury has a video and a signed agreement with his statement. He definitely snitched.
Gunna can only “Plead The Fifth” to self incrimination, if they ask abt crimes regarding YSL he cannot plead the fifth. It’s literally in his Plead Deal
But you have to think . Most of the shit they charged with is from way before gunna signed with YSL (2016-17) .. He can just say he had no knowledge of any of that .. that’s not snitching. Plus he can plead the 5th when it comes to the shit that will incriminate himself.
@@Jamomc34 and don’t you think he already gave them information that they could use to convict thug BEFORE they gave him the plea deal? 😑 they would need to know that his testimony would be of use & incriminate thug beforehand no?
Cooperating is snitching! You are telling prosecutors what they want in order to get yourself out of jail, and in turn you are burying the person that they really want to send to prison (Young Thug). Period!
Can someone just clairfy for me if we holding the same energy for the rest of YSL that also plead out or its just Gunna? Need to know why we aint talking bout them or if I missed something?
To better explain, a Rat snitches & Witnesses can snitch. We always called the partner in crime a Rat tho if they snitch (short for Rat Fink which is older terminology) 🤷🏽♀️Hope that makes sense but im just sharing slang terminology history.
Joe I doubt you give a fuck but I fw the fact that you guys normalize the "civilian" aspect of thinking. That by it self is changing lives and saving lives of young black men who are confused about where they stand in society. No matter where they are from. I love it.
A snitch = an informant An informant gives *information* What did Gunna do? He said YSL was a gang, he said the contraband wasnt his even though Thug was the only other person in the car Thats pretty big info...against Thug Thats a snitch
THANK YOU ISH FOR BREAKING DOWN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SNITCHIN' & RATTIN' somebody out: - Rattin': You were there as part of the crime, but you turned on your partners for a lesser charge or to be free (this jargon or slang goes back to 20s when Original gangsters were running the streets. Research: Bumpy Johnson, Lucky Luchiano, Valentines Day Massacre, Al Capone... - Snitchin': telling authorities on someone to get them in trouble (person telling is not necessarily involved in the crime). But if you were a part of the crime and you told on your partners you are considered a Rat i.e. Rat Bastard; or a Rat Fink. PeriodT (Google Rat Fink). Y'all not gonna change The true meaning when Google and Webster dictionary has the definition right there. If you want to tell, do you. But stop trying to change the meaning of words that were defined a century before you were born.
@@jasonau427 @Sp I was from the streets (likely before you were born) & Yes ppl use snitching for all, BUT to those trying to chg street terminology, NO. And I'm a female, Gen X. Y'all new generation can make up or change the terms. But if you wanna know true meaning, Google "Rat Fink" & other terms. Or just kp sayin' crap on the sly because you don't wanna know street history. Makes me no nevermind at my age. ISH is right, but we old school & know. I'm just sayin'.
@@AndreaClinton I’m 38 from the esst side of Detroit. Not new generation. A rat is a rat is a rat. Any cooperation in plea, testifying, allocution, anything is snitching. I don’t google what ratting is. I KNOW what ratting is.
When you plea out of a situation it’s basically a confession. Being that young thug is standing on ysl being a rap label that plea goes against his defense that’s snitching tf
Let's be clear. The system doesn't play fair. The time they are giving in RICO is serious. Now we all say we would never... when the gun isn't pointed at us. But if they are seeking 30 or 40 years or Life, it gets real. Could you walk away from your family, your children for possibly the rest of your life? Five years from now when you're laying in that bunk staring at a concrete wall, will you have regrets? It's easy to pass judgement when you have no skin in the game.
The tone is very different with Gunna and with 6ix9ine 😂 now NOBODY knows what snitching is anymore 😂 All of a sudden
You PEEP👀dat right?! Selective AMNESIA time 😅🤦🏾♂️
Mannnnn that's what I'm saying lord 😂😂😂😂 they have selective memory cause 69 was getting all the smoke
😂😂😂😂 it’s all about WHO WE LIKE
Life really is a popularity contest
69 gave names and details on situations. Completely different.
Him confirming that YSL was a gang is him snitching on Thug cuz the state tryna make Thug out to be a gang leader
If the co-founder and Gunna are pleading to say YSL is a gang, and Thug's defence is to say No - YSL is not a gang, but a record label and a clothing line, then clearly Gunna and the co-founder are helping the prosecutors to establish their point about YSL being a gang. Hence cooperating/snitching to get a better deal, which they both got.
@@ozzyojay 💯🎯📠 Summed up perfectly.
Not only that, but he literally answered "yes mam" that he's aware of crimes they committed in furtherance of the gang, said yes they are a gang,.and said yes he will *testify truthfully* if called upon..... *MEANING THEY CAN ONLY KNOW HE'S TESTIFYING TRUTHFULLY BASED ON STATEMENTS HE'S ALREADY MADE WHEN GETTING THE PLEA DEAL*
@@BigZoe99 he sang a whole lullaby to them ppl smh
It the yes ma'am for me nigga folded
If the defense is YSL isnt a gang and Gunna admitted YSL is a gang and Young Thug is accused of being the leader then it only stands to logic that Gunna snitched on Thugger even if he didnt specify any particular crime committed.
You’d wish people would understand this simple logic but instead they’re doing All Star/Olympic level mental gymnastics
Gunna didn't snitch 👌🏾
Gunna could took them weak ass charges he and he would have been good he was just hot so I'm pretty sure the hip hop world would had his back
Yeah he definitely blew the socks clean off him
@@yungthorough He admitted, YSL is a gang. That's snitching. Dry snitching whatever.
Joe summed it up at the end perfectly. Gunna applied for bail 99 times and they said no until he said what they wanted him to say 🤷🏾♀️
He told them he was in a gang...... Which he was....... YsL was a criminal organization and Thug killed more black men than George Zimmerman and Derek Chauvin combined
Right he snitched lol 😂
Zz
But Joe also made it clear he doesn’t really see it as flat out snitching. But as cooperating. Which is still frowned upon nonetheless. But we shall see
Y’all all dumb as fk if you think gunna gave them enough information from that plea to make any difference in the case. Thug has the best lawyers money can buy, saying “yes it’s a gang” when they rap about extortion & murder doesn’t help the prosecution. They were well aware it’s a gang, which is why the RICO is happening in the first place. Y’all fr stupid, it’s sad.
To me it's funny how the hip hop " culture" has no standards and we'll let anything go but the only moral standard is no snitching
lol
Well said!
Makes all the sense to me. Even corporate world don't like snitches.
I think if you consider all this hip hop you are right. But most of us old heads dont consider this hip hop, not the stuff happening today. Seem more like youngness than a culture. Definitely not how hip hop started in 80s or tried to maintain thru early 2000s. We refuted any behavior shedding negative light on hip hop culture, constantly reminding them, "This not what we doing." My 2cent/input.
@@AndreaClinton Agree
Parks calling someone else a nerd, LMFAO
Nerd recognize nerd i guess lol
Someone needs to chin check him
I do it. I be on the computer all day but I don’t watch anime except for dragonball z
the audacity lol especially with those glasses on
@@romanthrower is that you parks? 💀
Can’t believe people still debating this Gunna def cooperated
Cooperating is not the same as snitching. If you are going to be convicted bc they have substantial evidence to bury you, you would be the dumbest mfer in the world to take it to trial just to lose and get quadruple the amount of time. The Alford Plea Gunna took can be used to affirm the case of YSL being a gang, but the gang shit is light. Thug would be pleading out too if he could but he doesn’t have that option. Thug is going to lose trial and be gone for life.
lol
@@contradataxman2991 you a civilian so you will never understand Gunna knew what he signed up for they had nothing on him he should’ve took it to trial
@@Hightz216 u don’t know who nor what I am. I’m not going to sit on the internet trying to prove a point to u..lol…my current attorney is Careton Matthews who’s been in the courtroom every day this week representing one of the co-defendants in the YSL rico…u sir r the civilian just talking bc u have lips…I know EXACTLY what I’m saying. I just got out of Rice street 2 months ago.
They like to play semantics because they know they some hoes in they heart too
Gunna had a whole court video, and people seriously asking if he snitched.
Init lol.its literally no debate
these guys are ALL rats, that's why! They're playing stupid on camera because they're not playing = these guys literally don't know the difference = if they're in the station they're talking without realizing it
Yes mam
They are gonna drag this snitching debate out across social media for as long as they can.
@@ChopDaDon no lawyer would publicly say someone stitched for safety lol silly
Say what you want, Mans took a plea to leave early Thug gone get stuck w 20 years probation
Under the jail
Gunna a real one 👌🏾
Not the dude that put him on he wasn't even serving hard time ungrateful ass nigga this the nigga y'all love smh
69 haters trying to act like it's different tho 😂
@@yungthorough a real snitch paperwork included 😂
Anyone see that episode of sopranos where Johnny sacks takes the plea deal and then it cuts to Phil saying you never admit that this thing exists lol that’s basically dry snitching 🤣😂
Exactly broooooo. Phil did 20 fuckin yrs
Giving any information is snitching. Make the Feds their job. I’m not even a street nigga. But these niggas wanna promote negativity, but don’t stand on the consequences!
"You never admit to this thing. F**cking nauseating! "
La Cosa nostra
Turns out Phil was gay as fuck just like Vito who disgusted him.
I have to admit 69 was definitely ridiculed for snitching aka cooperating meanwhile these guys are not getting the same scrutiny.😖
AKA corroborating too
69 was brash and boastful. He’s flashy and takes every opportunity to taunt and start beef. People root against 69. People root for Gunna.
Like Joe Budden said, 69 got on that stand and told on EVERYBODY😂😂 even people that had nothing to do with his own case. People are still givin Gunna the benefit of the doubt cuz he hasn’t taken the stand yet. On top of that Gunna is actually likeable, and humble. 69 was a very dislikeable person and trolled everyone😂 so ofc ppl are offrip giving Gunna the benefit of the doubt and not 69
@@calsarchandler6851 stfu you sound like a fan
@@jdugg5461 Dont forget, n latino 😒
We have so many fake people in the hip hop industry. When its their fave rapper taking the stand/cooperating/snitching - people turn a blind eye, give excuses and call it something different to make it seem like its part of a bigger plan to get out. If its someone they don't like, then this is their reply to the same circumstances 🐀
That ain’t just no industry shit people do that all the time when it’s their homeboy or someone they fuck with
@@MrKevy40 gcc C
Gunna a real nigga 👌🏾
Thats life... People make excuses for people and the things they like.
Facts !!!
It’s called dry snitching
He spoke in court so it's not dry
It's dry bc he didn't say young thug did x, but he pretty much only is leaving one assumption for people to make.
These kids with no clue what they're talking about.
@@colinwhat769 🤦🏾♀️ the root of a RICO charge is acting in concert. Him saying YSL is in fact a gang goes against Thugs entire legal defense that they're not a gang. Him saying he had personal knowledge of the gang committing crimes goes against Thug's legal defense. He confirmed EVERYTHING that's been alleged against Thug. You young people always trying to remix shit.
It's ain't dry...he said YSL is a gang in court and thug is part of YSL...he admitted that he saw YSL members commit crimes
@allthewayupNORTH _ Snitching only refers to if you do the crime and tell on your boyz. Gunna didn't do any crime with them. Gunna was collateral damage
He Can Only Plead The 5th If He Doesn't Want To Incriminate HIMSELF... He Can't Plead The 5th When They Ask About Thug
This comment needs more likes. Everyone who plead out has to testify vs thug
@RKing slime Facts!!! They Really Just Want Thug. They'll Give Everyone A Plea Deal Besides Him... People, Stay Out The Streets!!!
They had enough evidence on Thug prior to anyone snitching. He got off light after his boys shot up Wayne’s tour bus. Didn’t learn his lesson though.
BINGO !!!! That’s what I been saying. Them fed people got everything they want, they just playing the game
Karma coming back around after he tried to replace wayne as birdmans "son"
Man really wanted those kisses a bit too badly
He didn’t get off light his brother served 10 years 😂 wtf you talking about bruh
@@ais5094 but he called the shot and kept his freedom.
@@d3vp131 thanks for making that point for me.
He 100% told bc he confirmed YSL as gang and committed crimes in the gang name. That ties up the Rico against young thug. He indirectly ratted along with the rest of them that got out. They got rid of the phone found in thug house and just had the other tie it together. As part of plea he had to affirm the prongs of the rico charge. If they call him he definitely taking the stand or he going in for 5. Ish saying big time lawyer games but state ain’t passing out time served just because. They could have kept gunna in there they wanted that confirmation that YSL is a gang. His own lawyer said folks talking it’s gone be a tough fight.
I agree he told because he confirmed that ysl is a gang and hurts the community when young thug said it was only a music label argument over
Facts
No lies DETECTED
To be fair others were saying it lol 😆 I’d give up that gang life is I had millions waiting for me vs sitting it the booty house
Right. That admission was there for a reason. Wasn't just background music. They will literary use that admission of his as a statement by what they will call a 'fellow gangmember & co-defendant' during Thugs trial. 🤦🏽♂️💔
We sure do love moving the goalposts 😂
Just now there won't be any goalposts. It's being moved that often now. And they only move it for ppl they like. If that was any other person, there would not even be a debate
“Is ysl a record label and a gang?”
Gunna: “yes ma’am”
Homie really doesn’t want to believe gunna snitched smh lmao. Snitching isn’t only stating names and what they did , there’s different ways to snitch. By confirming ysl is indeed a gang that’s 1 , 2 the gun and drugs wasn’t his only thug was in the car with him sooooo smh lol stop being choosy the hell
"2 the gun and drugs wasn’t his only thug was in the car with him" it is hearsay in court. I got pulled over with a loaded firearm in my car with my friend who is a felon on probation. I also had a warrant at the time might I add. Me and him both did not claim the pistol and said it wasn't ours which created unreasonable doubt and the case was thrown out. So that is not snitching at all my guy. Him claiming YSL is a gang is the definition of snitching bc that can be used against thug. Everyone who took that plea deal admitting to ysl being a gang easily just gave thug 25 to life.
Exactly once he said they were a gang...thats snitching
@@izaacplambeck2620xactly we can be mad at gunna but thug was done from the start never offered a plea.
YES HE DID
NO HE DIDN'T
@@yungthorough hoe niggas will say no
@@yungthorough HE DID YOU KNOW
@@Don-v-e-r-g-a-s
HE DIDN'T
@@yungthorough HE DID GET OVER IT
Holy shit he ratted right in front of you people. Wow
By this “if they already knew” logic, 6ix9ine didn’t rat.
EXACTLY‼ Like make it make sense 🤦🏾♂️😅🤣
That's exactly what 69 did. Feds new all that shit already. They full of shit.
U do realize 69 got on the stand and told on everyone😂😂😂nigga told on people that ain’t even have nothing to do with the case that boi 100% ratted there’s no debating that. 😂😂😂
@@yooitsbj I could be wrong I think what he's implying is IF the FEDS ALREADY KNO whatever u(the informer) states is just VERIFYING. As for SNITCH9 oh yeah I 💯💯💯% agree with u HOME BOY Gave an ENTIRE DATELINE REPORT PLUS threw in some FREEBIES😅😆
He snitched. If he had plead out and only indicated himself in whatever crimes it would have been cool but since he implied that thug and others were involved he snitched and will likely be called to testify
Exactly that statement in the court said you admit to being in a car, just you and young thug, you guys had illegal weapons, methamphetamine, and I can't remember the other class of drugs, and you admit this were in the car but not in your possession.
Only 2 people in the car bro, the court is setting it all up. Maybe gunna, thug, and their defense team have some grand plan.
Odds would be they don't and that the gang is caving in on itself.
Absolutely!
Gunna snitched because he was aware of YSLs reputation before he signed to them (ex lil Wayne tour bus shooting). He didnt have sign to Thug. He wanted the opportunity to get hot but being affiliated with thug you take up any street/industry beefs he had. Thug knew that and wasn't naive to that fact so yeah he's snitching.
@@369pendulum boy wtf u talkin bout
@@jesussinaloa9300 how do YOU know what Gunna was aware of before signing to YSL?! Seems you are making an assumption based on what evidence?! The internet lawyers are never right!! Just concluded another criminal case in Cali in which so many people in the court of public opinion were biased, uneducated in criminal law as it varies state to state. So they created a cesspool of misinformation, lies, and negativity.
Why was the conversation absent of the fact that Young Thugs brother also took a plea? I’m interested in the panel’s perspective on that.
I didn’t know the lawyers decided who’s a snitch or not. I thought that was left up to the streets.
Good point 😂
He said you find out if it’s snitching until later😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They not giving plea deals out the goodness of their hearts lol. They giving out pleas to get information to use on the one that they want. Why are they asking questions to get answers when they not going to use it after. It doesn’t make sense to me.
I think Joe's assessment right at the end is pretty fucking accurate.
That's just me tho 🤷🏿♂️
“Nahh I’m arguing all this” took me out
The whole point of a rico is saying they’re a gang involved in criminal activity. Which Gunna confirmed. That’s ratting and it’s not like he was blindsided they told him what the plea was beforehand. Thug can’t even have communication with Gunna so he couldn’t have told him to take that deal😮💨
Young Thug doing time is a lose no matter how you look at it. Priceless moments he will miss being locked up.
He says he's seen them commit crimes and that's not snitching?
Right! Dude and any other mog that took a plea, TALKED!
Y’all all dumb as fk if you think gunna gave them enough information from that plea to make any difference in the case. Thug has the best lawyers money can buy, saying “yes it’s a gang” when they rap about extortion & murder doesn’t help the prosecution. They were well aware it’s a gang, which is why the RICO is happening in the first place. Y’all fr stupid, it’s sad.
GOAL POST KEEPS MOVING when it's your favorite rapper its no longer snitching lol
Gunna the realist 👌🏾
Ish changes his views based on if he likes a person or not. Gunna was on video. Also, State and Federal RICO’s are not different in results. And if the state needs more resources they can call in the feds.
Yea so u don’t know what the hell ur talking abt. If the Feds had a strong enough case to try and convict YSL for the very same RICO, the Feds would have been the ones to pick the case up in the first place. The truth is, the state’s case is decent but not a slam dunk which is why they are trying it instead of the Feds. The Feds do not push a case unless they know they almost def will get a conviction out of it. Also, the results are not the same. Gunna and the co-founder would not have been released with time served and 5 years probation if this were a federal case. All y’all folks in these comments are clueless and never been in trouble to this degree ever!
as a former JD, he admitted they were a "gang" - for RICO that's HUGE as it allows them to "open the books" Soprano's style. sucks but true.
Why not everyone talking bout him and TI ?
if thug takes it to trial gunna will have to testify
If I heard “Idk I’m a civilian” one more time
Omg facts bro I was irritated asf 😂
“I’m never gonna be the one tell on my brother when police has got us detained.” -Gunna
He is going to be called on later. Let’s see how many people say he ate the cheese later.
Prosecutor asked gunna , is ysl a gang. Gunna response in court on video , yes. That's all they need. If that ain't snitching..... I would not park illegally around gunna😂
Hearing parks describe himself in the beginning of the video is hilarious 😂
That Virgo shit!! Love Joe’s outlook on the situation. 😂😂♍️
Young thug: we are not a gang
Gunna: yes mam ysl is a gang
How is this not snitching. Yall pick and choose depending on who you like.
South Africa, Johannesburg 📍
He snitched
Damn, Bobby did that. He said "Nah dont give him 12 years give him 7 and add 2 to my time"
I still haven’t spoke bad about him
Bobby took accountability cus he knew roddy wasn’t the only one out there.
You got to have real niggaz on the same page can't be doing anything just to be that's why I stay in my own lane because a lot of this niggaz don't be on the same page they be yelling gang gang until they get behind the jail
@@bluesclues4371 to my point, you can’t just go to a judge an be like nah don’t give him 12 yrs. Give him 7 and I’ll take 2 to make mine 7. If the court wants yo ass they not gonna make a deal. Like right now, if Joe and ish got locked up and ish got 10 and Joe got 3 Joe can’t pull up and take years off of ishes and then they both get 5 that’s not how it works. Unless you snitching….
@@joejtutuola2456 it worked in there case. Every case is different. If Bobby took a plea he wouldn’t gotten less years than roddy. he didn’t and they got the same amount. Bobby knew roddy wasn’t doing shxt by himself so instead of selling him out he stood ten for his homie. Not saying Gunna HAD to do the same thing but it looks crazy cus gunna always rapping about how he wouldn’t do what he’s doing rn lol
Stay away from ISH...he gone tell 🤣 💀 😂
“Da streets was like” oh wait I’m a civilian lol
6ix9ine IQ is literally bigger than this entire podcast combined lmao
He took an Alford Plea...You have to know what an Alford Plea is to have an opinion on this matter....and that's FACTUAL 💯
Keep da same energy like y'all did with 69
I hate that ish is the dude that is most qualified to talk bout the streets on the pod bcuz he dnt Kno wat he b talkin bout
“I’m Gunna Tell”- Charleston White😂😂😂
🤣
Gunna the 🐐
@@yungthorough 🐀 lover
@Vextos
Gunna not a rat.. learn what a rat is hatin azx nigga 👌🏾
@@yungthorough you a rat lover. Gunna hopefully will get merked
Dude in black is the biggest dummy, and so is the dude in the teal. He went into a store with a group of people who all stole, no one knows they stole, everyone who stole says they didn't steal, you take a deal admitting guilt that you stole and seen others steal. That's snitching. I don't give a f what some random lawyer said.
I can imagine the investigators telling him he was a victim of YSL's manipulative and coercion, saying he was tricked by the criminal group into thinking it was only a record label and after he was involved and used as an accomplice they held it against him. Then they slide over the packet of McDonald's and a mcflurry and say "Look man we seen you going through withdrawals in here, you losing weight and your mental health aint been looking to good" "You know my kids listen to your music, im not much of a fan but i dont think you deserve all this, so look man we just need a witness testimony and we'll have you out by next week, then you can go back to the money, cars, girls and you'll have your freedom back" (I mean shii if they sold it too me like that I'd prolly talk too🤷♂️)
Wow that sounded like a real convo
Joe sealed it with his last statement.
Big facts!
Affords plea;
A defendant (Gunna) in a criminal case does not admit to the criminal act and asserts innocence, but admits that the evidence presented by the prosecution would be likely to persuade a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
It's a Rico. He didn't personally admit to a crime but admitted his affiliate, said organization (YSL) is a criminal organization. This acknowledgement kills the defense of multiple defendants arguing that said organization is NOT criminal. It also confirms the DA's argument that YSL is indeed a criminal organization. He can take the stand and plead the fifth amendment in court for optics but the jury has a video and a signed agreement with his statement. He definitely snitched.
Gunna wasn’t even looking at long time dude folded
Gunna can only “Plead The Fifth” to self incrimination, if they ask abt crimes regarding YSL he cannot plead the fifth. It’s literally in his Plead Deal
But you have to think . Most of the shit they charged with is from way before gunna signed with YSL (2016-17) .. He can just say he had no knowledge of any of that .. that’s not snitching. Plus he can plead the 5th when it comes to the shit that will incriminate himself.
No you can plead the fifth in general your silence can not be used against you.
@@s.y.4163 No he kan’t bro, it’s literally in his plea deal … only kan Plead The Fifth if it’s self incrimination
@@Dayxh8 Then that’s lying on the stand, he already admitted that he had knowledge of crimes dat YSL allegedly committed
@@Jamomc34 and don’t you think he already gave them information that they could use to convict thug BEFORE they gave him the plea deal? 😑 they would need to know that his testimony would be of use & incriminate thug beforehand no?
If you think he didn't snitch than you'll snitch big dawg ..
Joe is right. This isn’t like you and I pleading out. This is specific. And involves others.
Cooperating is snitching! You are telling prosecutors what they want in order to get yourself out of jail, and in turn you are burying the person that they really want to send to prison (Young Thug). Period!
If they know……THEY WON’T ASK YOU STUPID.
They assume and want you to confirm
life aint gunna be the same for him...
Joe kept it super real in this clip. More of this joe. You fly now but we need you to Channel holy wife beater Joelle often 😂
If you don’t think gunna a snitch then you a problem 💯 and gunna damn near my favorite rapper
Imagine members of the mafia even admitting the mafia existed….and then it even being an argument if gunna snitched or not…..the answer is….YES
You're asking civilians about the street and Thank You for cleaning up your co-host. Gunna should've said nothing 🤫
Selective politics at its finest.
Gunna a snitch give him the same energy y’all gave 69
"N*ggas saying Gunna new name is I'm Gunna Tell!🤷🏾♂" - Uncle Murda
Murda killed it!🤣
If u have never been in a court situation such as don’t say anything cause he snitched an he should get an award for how dumb he is
I equate this to Mike in the show The Wire. Just because you got out doesn’t mean you snitched. Unfortunately, people will think you did.
Can someone just clairfy for me if we holding the same energy for the rest of YSL that also plead out or its just Gunna? Need to know why we aint talking bout them or if I missed something?
cuz dont nobody know who them niggas is
Cuz nobody know them niggaz.
Well yea they snitches too but none of em are gunna (superstar rapper who’s right hand man to thugga) that’s why everyone focused on gunna
They need to plea out to reduce the RICO charge
Cause they not as popular as gunna and thugger
Great observation
To better explain, a Rat snitches & Witnesses can snitch. We always called the partner in crime a Rat tho if they snitch (short for Rat Fink which is older terminology) 🤷🏽♀️Hope that makes sense but im just sharing slang terminology history.
Joe I doubt you give a fuck but I fw the fact that you guys normalize the "civilian" aspect of thinking. That by it self is changing lives and saving lives of young black men who are confused about where they stand in society. No matter where they are from. I love it.
If it's free young thug it gotta be raise the black young dead victims RIGHT?????????????
He snitched on camera. What is the debate?
Didn't Joe Butt-en say he'd break a dude in half?
Joe is spitting all facts Gunna Definitely snitched 🤦🏽♂️ I’m disappointed in dude that was his brother
A snitch = an informant
An informant gives *information*
What did Gunna do?
He said YSL was a gang, he said the contraband wasnt his even though Thug was the only other person in the car
Thats pretty big info...against Thug
Thats a snitch
Gunna didn't snitch.. he never took the stand & pointed anyone out 👌🏾
🧀🐀 Gunna is a rat
Stating things that they already know isn’t snitching but confirming things that’ll clear you and not your man’s is snitching.
THANK YOU ISH FOR BREAKING DOWN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SNITCHIN' & RATTIN' somebody out:
- Rattin': You were there as part of the crime, but you turned on your partners for a lesser charge or to be free (this jargon or slang goes back to 20s when Original gangsters were running the streets. Research: Bumpy Johnson, Lucky Luchiano, Valentines Day Massacre, Al Capone...
- Snitchin': telling authorities on someone to get them in trouble (person telling is not necessarily involved in the crime).
But if you were a part of the crime and you told on your partners you are considered a Rat i.e. Rat Bastard; or a Rat Fink. PeriodT (Google Rat Fink). Y'all not gonna change The true meaning when Google and Webster dictionary has the definition right there. If you want to tell, do you. But stop trying to change the meaning of words that were defined a century before you were born.
You from the street??? Bro tellin is tellin. ANY cooperating is SNITCHING.
bruh its safe to say that your not from the streets LMAO
This is the dumbest shit I've seen in a minute 🤣
@@jasonau427 @Sp I was from the streets (likely before you were born) & Yes ppl use snitching for all, BUT to those trying to chg street terminology, NO. And I'm a female, Gen X. Y'all new generation can make up or change the terms. But if you wanna know true meaning, Google "Rat Fink" & other terms. Or just kp sayin' crap on the sly because you don't wanna know street history. Makes me no nevermind at my age.
ISH is right, but we old school & know. I'm just sayin'.
@@AndreaClinton I’m 38 from the esst side of Detroit. Not new generation. A rat is a rat is a rat. Any cooperation in plea, testifying, allocution, anything is snitching. I don’t google what ratting is. I KNOW what ratting is.
When you plea out of a situation it’s basically a confession. Being that young thug is standing on ysl being a rap label that plea goes against his defense that’s snitching tf
Saying gunna didn’t snitch is like saying Pump it up is a good song 😂😂
Lol it did number wtf
@@saucegodgucci8668 numbers =\= good song. I like pump it up btw just sayin
Pump it up went HAM in 2003. Take that cringe zoomer energy somewhere else bruh
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 I’ll take it to your mother tonight
It's a good song if you edit out all of Joe's verses
the dude in the black doesn’t understand a RICO
the individualism kinda goes out the window.
You're asking 4 people who Never been into nothing about snitching. This is like asking Carlton Banks about the street.
Idk Carlton started carrying the stick
Joe been jail few times and court
Not bro saying the nerds when he a nerd just out his mama basement
That man turned speculation into a real case
Ish is def giving public defender energy
are those balenciagas 😂😂😂
Is Joey now a Crayon now, or a lipstick 💄, or is he elf on the shelf🤔....
Elf on a shelf for sure
The state will not let you out on a plea deal for free
For some reason I think YT told him to do that also because of the talent gunna has and what he can become . 💯
kept looking at that shadow in the glasss... i thought it was a person dancing.... but then realized it was just joe's head.
The topics are great
Let's be clear. The system doesn't play fair. The time they are giving in RICO is serious. Now we all say we would never... when the gun isn't pointed at us. But if they are seeking 30 or 40 years or Life, it gets real. Could you walk away from your family, your children for possibly the rest of your life? Five years from now when you're laying in that bunk staring at a concrete wall, will you have regrets? It's easy to pass judgement when you have no skin in the game.
He can plead the 5th when it’s related to him, I don’t believe he can in regards to what he knows about the case / Thug
I haven't seen lil baby say welcome home yet ... That's telling
When asked if YSL is a gang... "Yes Ma'am". Look up the court recording for yourself. Nuff said.
Is this the same Parks
From the Budden songs "Parks on the boarrrdds!"
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