So let me get this straight, you ask for an increase for 3 months, you get it for 5 months and then you mad when it ends and Joe is in the wrong 🤔. Ok.
Flip in the wrong. You asked that man for a favor for a certain amount of time. He does it, and you expect him to keep doing after the amount of time you asked him to do it for? Hell naw. If you needed help for a longer period of time, you should've said it not sat there and expected him to keep doing it.
This is what happens when you start mixing up friendship with business. A contract is a contract point blank period. Friends can get ungrateful really quickly. Prime example right here. Joe was so confident because he knew Flip was in over his head lol.
1. You were given a timed raise during your contract 2. You asked for 3 months and you were given 5 months 3. You go back to the contract stipulated amount and you’re unhappy that your raise duration ended but it was your idea Why not just wait until the new contract and renegotiate it at a higher fee than your previous expiring raise because now you know the business holds you as an asset. Leverage!!
Sorry Flip. I don’t know the full details, but based solely off this convo you’re wrong. Joe started off doing you a favor with the extra payments. Joe has the right contractually to cut you off after the three months or even ask for the extra money back depending on the contract terms. Above all else, Flip is wrong because he ASSUMED and EXPECTED that special treatment to continue. It don’t work that way homie. Even if you’re doing above and beyond, you stay humble. People will see you excel and a better opportunity will come around whether from Joe or somewhere else. But you can’t assume anyone will continue to give you special treatment. You aren’t owed anything outside the contract 🤷🏾♂️
its not a favor. He was doing extra work that wasnt a part of any contract and was getting paid for that work. If and when the extra work started, he made it seem like it was sort of extra due to needing that money for 3 months but continued to do the extra work but when the pay stopped because he only claimed he needed that money for 3 months, he thought due to him still doing the extras, the money should have continued but that wasnt the agreement .. What joe should do, is tell him there is no extra work but since he didnt tell him that dude now feels a way because he thought joe would have taken the hint but hints dont work in contracts
@@bjvu9460 so based on what you’re saying he assumed correct? Bad idea in business! And yes Joe could have done a better job communicating. This is a one sit down, easy convo honestly. Niggas can’t communicate properly
@bjvu9460 What extra work? It started before Improper Improv and continued after it. Plus Flip admitted to leaving early and not being a team player in that regard. You get what you ask for and negotiate. Plus he got paid extra for an additional 2-3 months. Smh
Joe wanted this to play out in the public.. Flip made himself look stupid and joe can get it out there that its not always him messing up, which is the narrative about him.
But at the same time, did he call him and thank Joe for the extra and of course, he wasn’t going to bring it to his attention that it went on longer than it was supposed to but as soon as it stops it’s an issue. Send flip back to the streets ripping his shirt off.
I dont really watch this enough to give you an answer either way. I only really click cos of the title. Truthfully I didnt even watch during the RnM days, I just watched the highlight clips, so I am the wrong person to ask lol.@@bklyngodfather
So when was he in the wrong? For not giving up 66% of a company in which he covered ALL the filming ALL the editing ALL the microphones ALL cameras ALL the lights ALL the audio equipment and all the other overhead ...as well as paying for the location to film at?
Joe held Flip feet to the fire on this one, Flip was trying to do everything to get out of this conversation because he knew he didn’t have any reason to be mad at Joe. The whole time Joe called his bluff so he can hear how crazy he sounded 🤣🤣🤣
And there lies the problem. Flip made the mistake "the other guys" made...... He let his personal feelings interfere with the business. He literally said it and doesn't hear himself. You wanted to be treated as a friend in a business deal. Joe HAS TO stop doing business with his friends.
Not the same situations. Rory and Mal were having contractual disputes first and foremost, and ultimately they didn't believe that the problems they were having would have come from someone they both considered a friend. Flip situation sounds like he believed that because of his contributions he should be making more. When he asked for an increase for the 3 months and it plus and extra 2 and was then cut off, he took it as a slight from his friend and it upset that he didn't let it continue.
The problem with that is the chemistry... If we look to the music industry all the groups that were put together did not have the same feel of the guys that grew up together or bonded on a family level. However you are A1 correct in the fact that the business end of it usually works out better.
So let me get this straight he asked for help you helped him and he thought because yall cool you should keep helping....Joe ain't wrong on this one....
Fireworks 🎇 This is why I love this show lol. Flip is worth every cent and JOE DID NOTHING WRONG. He hooked you up, forgot the hook up and then checked the unhook up and FLIP GOT UPSET😂😂😭‼️HAAAAAA
Flip definitely asked for a raise without asking for a raise. Joe took what he said literally, going by the contract. If Flip meant a permanent raise, he should have said it. He got upset cause he thinks of Joe as a friend and assumed he'd move like that instead of the boss end of story
What you said makes 0 sense if you say hey need a favor as his friend joe gave him a favor if he wasn’t his friend and it was only business he would’ve said well the contract says this on top of that he gave him extra 1 months to look out for his man’s again a favor it’s not in his contract that makes no sense
Flip basically saying he asked for a raise for 3 months joe noticed after 5 months his account called him and said no it was only 3 months flip is mad because he thought joe would just kept raising it but flip didn’t ask that’s what joe is telling him lol😂
"If a nigga doing a good job, you keep it going." Flip acting like aint getting paid, period. It sounds like flip tried to swindle his way into a raise by asking for help, in hopes it would just continue. Thats kinda crazy. 😬
You're 100% in THIS context. In the sick minds of many employers, not being willing to exceed your duties will excuse them for never giving you a promotion. It can be really difficult to navigate a "proper" approach, and it is the precise reason unions were created. I want to work as hard as I can (within reason) for as much money as I can make, but any company wants to pay as little as possible for as much work as possible. When you throw in supervisors/ managers who also want to maximize on your work minus being stand-up enough to acknowledge you, it gets really tricky.
What's the lowest common denominator here? We don't know what the discussion was behind closed doors. Even if everything detailed in the video is factually what happened, Joe has a bad habit of doing bad business. People think that the only logical reason to pay your employees more is for more output, but that's not the only logical reason to pay people more. This happened with Rory and Mal, and it's gonna happen with Flip, Ice, Ish and Mel.
@@grantmacneil3448what the hell you talking about. The “only” bad business here is Joe agreed to do something for 3 months and forgot to undo it. Flip showed his character flaw here, he could have just been happy with what he got.
Flip is nasty for this. And I don't usually back Joe in convos like this but yeah Flip ain't have a solid argument at all unless there's something he isn't saying. Joe could’ve made you pay back the extra money and he didn't. That's him being your mans. Joe literally said all you had to do was call him and say you needed that but really it was YOUR ego that didn't wanna call. Homeboy business doesn't work. Never has, never will.
Respectfully that wasnt a bad dialogue at all. Im ok with that conversation. A great employee speaking his piece regarding his livelihood, A great boss/owner having a solid conversation about it. That,s dope. I would not be surprised if Flip at least gets a middle ground decision sometime soon. It showed loyalty and a great presentation of accountability and effort. Salute bros.
I wish I can go to work and conveniently keep getting free money from my boss then yell at him when he stops doing it and still have a job. That would be nice.
9:35 "That solid, continue that.." that's exactly what Flip should of talked about but he don't wanna ask Joe because he feels like its begging and its gonna mess with his pride. Flip wrong as hell for that, Joe is 100% in the right. If you have expectations or want something you need to speak up because he won't read minds. If Flip wanted to have a talk about how he could get paid more he should of been upfront with Joe instead of being mad that he could of got more and didn't know until now. Flip is BUGGIN! Flip trying to say its begging is crazy business is business you can talk to negotiate that isn't begging lmao
I feel like Flip spoke on this to “expose” that Joe is reasonable does right by his employees. Flip is always speaking highly of Joe & seems to be grateful for this opportunity. I don’t see Flip leaving the podcast because he’s the most important addition to the show. They’ll always figure the business when the respect & love is there.
Yup if you can see it clearly , Flip lowkey bigging joe up here and you can tell flip not really mad at all. This show has made him 10x bigger in the mainstream and he clearly shows his gratitude often
Sigh…… Flip needs to go to business school. These conversations are beyond dumb at this point. Friendship and business contracts are not the same thing. Welcome to reality
7:19 Flip needs to GROW a PAIR!! Ask directly for what you want like a MAN. Your boss will NEVER voluntarily give you a raise even though you worth it. Close mouths don’t get fed n***.
Joe gave him a advance and then a raise as he is heading towards the end of his contract. Seems like Joe has treated Flip better than anyone else but yet Flip is the only one complaining
Flip is kinda buggin, he had a favor done and he thought he could keep that “inch” that accidentally turned into a mile. Joe basically gave him an integrity test, and he failed lowkey. Cuz he still expects this degree of “generosity” and putting entitlement behind it. He’s a part of a team not a one man team with dead weight.
I love the way Joe handled this. Men in general need to do more of this....talk, express ourselves to each other and laugh about it and move on. We'll done Joe and Queenzflip. ❤
This proves that people always want more even when its unreasonable. A grown man expecting another man to give him more than he asked for after it was a favor. I dont know what level of "sorry" this is, but its up there. Main reason i cant do business with a lot of people.
Every time Joe sticks out his hand looking out for other people they end up turning on him. Flip is mad at Joe for doing exactly what they agreed to do. And people run with the narrative that Joe's the problem. His only fault is not being a hard A$$ and sticking to the terms of the original contract
Flip has the mindset of a child. its surprising how dudes like him even make it to the industry at all. man pretty much sayin he wanted Joe to pay him extra just for bein there lmaoooo
Black Business always gets treated like this bro it’s a contract you agreed to and your job to stick to the contract. You can’t get more money because we cool 😂🤡 Joe was nice gave exact money now he wants free money 🥴😮💨💀
He is but he’s also right Flip did extra work without working out the money first for the extra work then he asked for a 3 month increase Joe gave him an increase for 6 months before bringing back to his normal pay, flip is wrong for this one
If you wanna do a 3 month trial run of something, get paid for it and do it, then after come back after and have a conversation about if it should continue. Joe could, but it's on Flip to keep the conversation about work schedule and pay increase on track
"The job is to keep them happy thats bringing in the numbers," yea, Flip would never make it in the business world with that mentality. The job is to compensate you fairly per the contract you signed. If you arent happy, see if you can re negotiate, but Joe is not obligated to go beyond the boundaries of that contract and exceed your regular payment just to keep you happy. You do your job, he pays you for that job. Its as simple as that. You cant ask for Joe to be a friend AND an employer and not expect for some compromises to happen. And on top of that, how can you demand non contractual, extra payments to be continued right in front of your co hosts who arent doing the same? Hell, the fact that Joe already (supposedly bc we dont know all the details) went beyond the contract and paid him extra should be enough right there. To act like he's not roing enough because he finally stopped the EXTRA payments, and went back to the regular contractually obligated payments, is just whiney entitled behavior.
Joe, what are you doing? These guys literally complain about contracts half the time but don’t deliver on any substantive material (i.e. “oh I haven’t listened to that yet”, “oh I haven’t watched that yet”) what are they doing off air? I would not be able to keep my job if I spent 75% of the time complaining about compensation and how my boss was treating me and not doing any substantive work. This medium has devolved into a time suck and a drama channel with no real informative takes on the music industry, media or current events. Please fix this noisy nonsense channel before it disappears.
@@MrDrakeulah i can't remember exactly what they were fighting over, but it was basically a financial security thing. As the contract stood at that moment, Joe could fire Ish (or any cast member) whenever he wanted and not provide severance or something. Basically, in the event of firing or an abrupt departure by the host, Joe's company would not be held financially liable. This is typical across all industries, but Ish and his lawyers wanted some kind of kill clause that at least guarantees some kind of compensation in the event of departure. Ish was leveraging the fact he was losing money by doing the pod (at that time, which was like over a year ago) because he wasn't able to take more construction jobs. Joe said he was compensating him fairly, especially for an "entry level" position which set Ish OFF.
@MrDrakeulah the main issue was that Joe can fire Ish at will spur of the moment, while Ish has contract lengths. But if Ish does quit, JBP's only recourse is to sue Ish, which is a bill for the employer. Suing an employee? Fruitless expedition for most employees in this country most dont have any $. (Ish probably does) But if Joe gets Madd and fires Ish, Ish had to rearrange his construction business to accommodate a part time gig, not being able to take certain size job because he's not there everyday. So if Ish gets fired he's gotta rebuild is larger clients. Both sides had valid arguments.
So flip assumed his raise that he requested was permanent after joe let it fly 2 months past the time requested . Flip unsound like a whole child in the situation
I get flip but if Joe continued longer than they both intended then realised, then flip shouldnt be upset just renegotiate on the low... unless im missing something Joe aint wrong
Joe was 100% business wise and Flip was wrong.. shouldn’t have taken it for a “Raise.” If he wanted to keep the same pay, ask for a renegotiation. HOWEVER Joe made the same mistake again… his lack of leadership shows again. Flip is literally saying “I don’t want them to tell me. You tell me!” And Joe says “I’m eating a steak.” Stepping aside and explaining to Flip could’ve avoided the spice.
@@Osideous Joe was at Dinner with Ish .. whether he was on a date or not, you still have to lead. “Hey Flip let me give you a call when I get home or first thing tomorrow morning and we discuss everything.” LEADERSHIP
@@jordanmt007 he said he was on a date. And not for nothing no one discusses business after a certain time. So for Flip to think that was okay was wild.
When a mofo is being skittish about giving the details on something they brought up is how you know they know they are wrong! This is why they try to beat around the bush to make things look better in their favor. I’m only wondering now how the other cast members feel regarding flip getting special treatment. Joe clearly doesn’t care because he’s willing to do that for all of them. Wow flip you are wrong as hell.
Prime example of when you say yes all the time and finally say no. The first time you say no, it’s like you never said yes.
Ok, Beyoncé. With ya pretty ass.
Man,
This a Beyoncé song
First time? Hahaha
Sad ain’t it
Seems Flip never did real business before, he’s sounding delusional.
Yea it’s obvious that he never did business. He is know for prank videos with rappers
nah Joe seems shady when it comes to money.... Rory and Mal left over the same thing. looks like the same thing is happening again
@@jacobslinalx89you goofy if you being serious
Joe actually is in the right for once lol
Facts! For once
Yea when I first heard about it I was like oo hear we go again
He was right wit Rory and mal too
@@willholmesjr.7356 true but that was given because those two were flaw asf
@@willholmesjr.7356 I agree but I think Rory and Male taught they had stake in the company
So let me get this straight, you ask for an increase for 3 months, you get it for 5 months and then you mad when it ends and Joe is in the wrong 🤔. Ok.
Joe is a Joe and bad friend and business partner
Pretty much 😂
Imagine arguing about your raise while your coworkers who didn’t get raises are sitting right there. 🥴🥴🥴 Yikes!
lol u know they was calculating and crunching mad numbers in they head doing algebra trigonometry physics .. shittt imma need my 3 month favor 💰💰
Yikes!!😂😂
BINGO!!!
Flip brings more to the table tho. You negotiate your worth flip got millions of views
@@sjentertainment1 that’s great and that’s fine. But have some couth to know there’s a time and place for that conversation.
Flip is insane, how can you be so wrong and stand on it? 😂
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COE
Flip is a genius for creating an argument out of nothing..
He’s as far away from genius IQ as the earth is from the next inhabitable planet
5 minutes in and they still circle talking
I think you're misusing the word "genius" here. Furthermore, "genius" & Flip should never be in the same sentence. Unless it's that one.
Your boss lets you have extra money and you complain
@@teflondonjuanlmao you went in fam 😂
Flip in the wrong. You asked that man for a favor for a certain amount of time. He does it, and you expect him to keep doing after the amount of time you asked him to do it for? Hell naw. If you needed help for a longer period of time, you should've said it not sat there and expected him to keep doing it.
But when he did it, joe didn’t re do it, and then when flip did it, joe also wanted to do it, but then I was like flip the fuck up feel me
Dead wrong, I thought flip was balling
@@AdeAde0224 shit me too!
this podcast gon have 4 new cohosts a year from now 😂
Very possible
*3
@@deeshakeena3091no no, 4 lol. Who do you think will stay? MF?
I definitely see that!!
Nah they cool
This is what happens when you start mixing up friendship with business. A contract is a contract point blank period. Friends can get ungrateful really quickly. Prime example right here. Joe was so confident because he knew Flip was in over his head lol.
Joe said many pods ago he don’t honor or respect contracts
Box truck champ !!! Hope all is well unc.
Already fam!!! 💪🏾🚚@@Tracklyfe_T
Facts, when uh niggas says to you. “ I will pay you to say what you’re upset about” you probably in the wrong lmao.
He did a friend a favour and paid for it in his business
1. You were given a timed raise during your contract
2. You asked for 3 months and you were given 5 months
3. You go back to the contract stipulated amount and you’re unhappy that your raise duration ended but it was your idea
Why not just wait until the new contract and renegotiate it at a higher fee than your previous expiring raise because now you know the business holds you as an asset. Leverage!!
Sorry Flip. I don’t know the full details, but based solely off this convo you’re wrong. Joe started off doing you a favor with the extra payments. Joe has the right contractually to cut you off after the three months or even ask for the extra money back depending on the contract terms.
Above all else, Flip is wrong because he ASSUMED and EXPECTED that special treatment to continue. It don’t work that way homie. Even if you’re doing above and beyond, you stay humble. People will see you excel and a better opportunity will come around whether from Joe or somewhere else. But you can’t assume anyone will continue to give you special treatment. You aren’t owed anything outside the contract 🤷🏾♂️
That’s right nobody wants to work today everyone wants special treatment everyone
its not a favor. He was doing extra work that wasnt a part of any contract and was getting paid for that work. If and when the extra work started, he made it seem like it was sort of extra due to needing that money for 3 months but continued to do the extra work but when the pay stopped because he only claimed he needed that money for 3 months, he thought due to him still doing the extras, the money should have continued but that wasnt the agreement ..
What joe should do, is tell him there is no extra work but since he didnt tell him that dude now feels a way because he thought joe would have taken the hint but hints dont work in contracts
@@bjvu9460 so based on what you’re saying he assumed correct? Bad idea in business! And yes Joe could have done a better job communicating. This is a one sit down, easy convo honestly. Niggas can’t communicate properly
@bjvu9460 What extra work? It started before Improper Improv and continued after it. Plus Flip admitted to leaving early and not being a team player in that regard. You get what you ask for and negotiate. Plus he got paid extra for an additional 2-3 months. Smh
@@bjvu9460Joe did him a favor granted he worked extra, when payments stopped he should humblely speak to Joe and explain his point
Am I the only one that doesn’t care about flips contract? 😂 either resign or don’t who gives af
I also don’t care about him or you. Seriously.
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Facts
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLikeWho pissed in your cereal?
@@mikem565 you bore me.
Joe wanted this to play out in the public.. Flip made himself look stupid and joe can get it out there that its not always him messing up, which is the narrative about him.
right lol, he was like "if you wanna pod we can do it but..." and then he did it anyway lmao
It was fun having you on the JOE BUDDEN SHOW:)! Goodbye
But at the same time, did he call him and thank Joe for the extra and of course, he wasn’t going to bring it to his attention that it went on longer than it was supposed to but as soon as it stops it’s an issue. Send flip back to the streets ripping his shirt off.
lol I dunno about the second part of your comment but can agree with the first
@@cnsmooth let me ask you this. The little bit he brings to the show is he not replaceable?
I dont really watch this enough to give you an answer either way. I only really click cos of the title.
Truthfully I didnt even watch during the RnM days, I just watched the highlight clips, so I am the wrong person to ask lol.@@bklyngodfather
🎯 Flip tried to finess Joe and it backfired. Prime example of a worker basing his budget off of overtime in the of his base pay.
@@bklyngodfatherflip literally saved joes podcast idk wtf you talking about
Damn its good to see Joe not be in the wrong for once 😂
So when was he in the wrong? For not giving up 66% of a company in which he covered ALL the filming ALL the editing ALL the microphones ALL cameras ALL the lights ALL the audio equipment and all the other overhead ...as well as paying for the location to film at?
Time will tell
Joe held Flip feet to the fire on this one, Flip was trying to do everything to get out of this conversation because he knew he didn’t have any reason to be mad at Joe. The whole time Joe called his bluff so he can hear how crazy he sounded 🤣🤣🤣
Flip tried to finess a raise outta Joe. SMDH
And there lies the problem. Flip made the mistake "the other guys" made......
He let his personal feelings interfere with the business. He literally said it and doesn't hear himself. You wanted to be treated as a friend in a business deal. Joe HAS TO stop doing business with his friends.
Agree people too emotional
Sounds like joe is the problem but I hear you
Not the same situations. Rory and Mal were having contractual disputes first and foremost, and ultimately they didn't believe that the problems they were having would have come from someone they both considered a friend.
Flip situation sounds like he believed that because of his contributions he should be making more. When he asked for an increase for the 3 months and it plus and extra 2 and was then cut off, he took it as a slight from his friend and it upset that he didn't let it continue.
The problem with that is the chemistry... If we look to the music industry all the groups that were put together did not have the same feel of the guys that grew up together or bonded on a family level. However you are A1 correct in the fact that the business end of it usually works out better.
Except Rory and Mal was nobody before Joe Flip been had things going on
So let me get this straight he asked for help you helped him and he thought because yall cool you should keep helping....Joe ain't wrong on this one....
Exactly!
@roknox5400 this is why you don't do business with friends
Ungrateful
Fireworks 🎇 This is why I love this show lol. Flip is worth every cent and JOE DID NOTHING WRONG. He hooked you up, forgot the hook up and then checked the unhook up and FLIP GOT UPSET😂😂😭‼️HAAAAAA
U Act like I care sooo much about your ideas
Flip didn't remind him to stop the hook up at the end of 3 mnts😂
Hhh
ALL FACTZ!!!💯
Flip definitely asked for a raise without asking for a raise. Joe took what he said literally, going by the contract.
If Flip meant a permanent raise, he should have said it. He got upset cause he thinks of Joe as a friend and assumed he'd move like that instead of the boss
end of story
U act like I care
What you said makes 0 sense if you say hey need a favor as his friend joe gave him a favor if he wasn’t his friend and it was only business he would’ve said well the contract says this on top of that he gave him extra 1 months to look out for his man’s again a favor it’s not in his contract that makes no sense
There are no friends in business
@@KennethBryant862 extra months
We will see Flip on Rory and Mal next week
I can actually see it eventually
😂
Ok
Flip wouldn’t ever do that
If you have 5 people who all equally think they’re valuable and every time continue to ask for increases they can bankrupted the house
The fact queenzflip was going around the topic n not straight up saying tells me he knew he was gonna sound crazy
Sure nuff did. He got extra and wanted the gravy train to keep rolling
I dont think that Flip wrong I think Joe got someone else to call Flip which is crazy as hell and Flip got alot of respect for Joe
Flip basically saying he asked for a raise for 3 months joe noticed after 5 months his account called him and said no it was only 3 months flip is mad because he thought joe would just kept raising it but flip didn’t ask that’s what joe is telling him lol😂
Flip has a problem speaking on private stuff out in the open. He stays doing this. He wants everybody in his business
It's called content, they arguing for the sake of it, relax
They forced him to speak on it if we’re being fair. He even said at the start y’all gonna think I’m crazy if I say something
"If a nigga doing a good job, you keep it going." Flip acting like aint getting paid, period. It sounds like flip tried to swindle his way into a raise by asking for help, in hopes it would just continue. Thats kinda crazy. 😬
Holy shit...Joe is 100% right on this
Ish was right to try to stop Flip. He lookin silly
I like flip but he’s the type of person you gotta watch
Joe + friends + contracts = disaster. Never fails.
Replace joe with any human ever. Lol
Flip is the perfect example of what not to be. Do the job your paid to do and that's it. Don't expect extra money for something not in the contract
You're 100% in THIS context. In the sick minds of many employers, not being willing to exceed your duties will excuse them for never giving you a promotion. It can be really difficult to navigate a "proper" approach, and it is the precise reason unions were created. I want to work as hard as I can (within reason) for as much money as I can make, but any company wants to pay as little as possible for as much work as possible. When you throw in supervisors/ managers who also want to maximize on your work minus being stand-up enough to acknowledge you, it gets really tricky.
Yea flip going to get himself thrown off the show and it’s a shame cause I like flip on the show but he is wrong
Gas lighting the shit outta Flip right off the show smh
@@DaVinciiTaylorflip thw one gaslighting...he dead ass wrong
What's the lowest common denominator here? We don't know what the discussion was behind closed doors. Even if everything detailed in the video is factually what happened, Joe has a bad habit of doing bad business. People think that the only logical reason to pay your employees more is for more output, but that's not the only logical reason to pay people more.
This happened with Rory and Mal, and it's gonna happen with Flip, Ice, Ish and Mel.
He’s obnoxious and won’t be missed
@@grantmacneil3448what the hell you talking about. The “only” bad business here is Joe agreed to do something for 3 months and forgot to undo it. Flip showed his character flaw here, he could have just been happy with what he got.
Joe stopped laughing when he said i almost came to your house
Flip is nasty for this. And I don't usually back Joe in convos like this but yeah Flip ain't have a solid argument at all unless there's something he isn't saying.
Joe could’ve made you pay back the extra money and he didn't. That's him being your mans. Joe literally said all you had to do was call him and say you needed that but really it was YOUR ego that didn't wanna call.
Homeboy business doesn't work. Never has, never will.
Flip took a L for this one. This was embarrassing
I can already see it… flip prolly won’t be on the show much longer smh
Joe and contracts man, there's always something lmao
It's not a raise! It was an ADVANCE ! Using the wrong words is y everyone is confused. Saying "u shoulda kept it going" is wild 😂😂😂
Cant lie Flip is looking in the wrong here,
Who gives af it’s all entertainment but flip definitely doesn’t need Joe for shit he been had his audience and own channels and shows
He did need Joe to pay off the IRS
@@kndsampled377so why he’s there?
@@QueenSuga405 they both fw each other since the beginning and the fans wanted it tf lmao
@@kndsampled377 no his ass there because he needs that bread tf
Respectfully that wasnt a bad dialogue at all. Im ok with that conversation. A great employee speaking his piece regarding his livelihood, A great boss/owner having a solid conversation about it. That,s dope. I would not be surprised if Flip at least gets a middle ground decision sometime soon. It showed loyalty and a great presentation of accountability and effort. Salute bros.
I wish I can go to work and conveniently keep getting free money from my boss then yell at him when he stops doing it and still have a job. That would be nice.
I hate when Ninjas say, “you know why I am upset”. Wasting time, just say it!!!!
Flip not making any sense lol. Joe did exactly what he asked for
Friends and Family don’t mix with business.
Flip need to get a Hold on His Mental Health Sitch-eye-Ation 😂
Ish: "Tap out man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
9:35 "That solid, continue that.." that's exactly what Flip should of talked about but he don't wanna ask Joe because he feels like its begging and its gonna mess with his pride. Flip wrong as hell for that, Joe is 100% in the right. If you have expectations or want something you need to speak up because he won't read minds. If Flip wanted to have a talk about how he could get paid more he should of been upfront with Joe instead of being mad that he could of got more and didn't know until now. Flip is BUGGIN! Flip trying to say its begging is crazy business is business you can talk to negotiate that isn't begging lmao
I feel like Flip spoke on this to “expose” that Joe is reasonable does right by his employees. Flip is always speaking highly of Joe & seems to be grateful for this opportunity. I don’t see Flip leaving the podcast because he’s the most important addition to the show. They’ll always figure the business when the respect & love is there.
Agree Flip makes the show funny its boring without him
Yup if you can see it clearly , Flip lowkey bigging joe up here and you can tell flip not really mad at all. This show has made him 10x bigger in the mainstream and he clearly shows his gratitude often
Sigh…… Flip needs to go to business school. These conversations are beyond dumb at this point. Friendship and business contracts are not the same thing. Welcome to reality
Unfortunately that’s where “street shit” start seeping into the business boardroom. Flip is out of his mind if he thinks that this is ok.
Exactly. When he said "it's your job to keep us happy," that's when I knew he was inept business wise.
the plump flip guy is the same one who has a friend named SOUL B 😂😂😂😂
Joe and Flip basically living out the situation with Mal and Rory for content so people can see what it was in Joes opinion. 😂😂😂
Exactly!!!
This should be a very private conversation between these 2 and only these 2!
U ask for an increase when you contract is about to be up bt in the meanwhile help grow the company
7:19 Flip needs to GROW a PAIR!! Ask directly for what you want like a MAN. Your boss will NEVER voluntarily give you a raise even though you worth it. Close mouths don’t get fed n***.
Joe gave him a advance and then a raise as he is heading towards the end of his contract. Seems like Joe has treated Flip better than anyone else but yet Flip is the only one complaining
this feels like how Raury and Maul situation started
Flip is kinda buggin, he had a favor done and he thought he could keep that “inch” that accidentally turned into a mile.
Joe basically gave him an integrity test, and he failed lowkey. Cuz he still expects this degree of “generosity” and putting entitlement behind it. He’s a part of a team not a one man team with dead weight.
I love the way Joe handled this. Men in general need to do more of this....talk, express ourselves to each other and laugh about it and move on. We'll done Joe and Queenzflip. ❤
This proves that people always want more even when its unreasonable. A grown man expecting another man to give him more than he asked for after it was a favor. I dont know what level of "sorry" this is, but its up there. Main reason i cant do business with a lot of people.
That Sushi Got Joe Dressing Up Zesty. 😂
Sounds like Flip owes Joe money lol
Flip really asked for a favour , got it then expected it to be the new norm LOL . Dirty work.
Every time Joe sticks out his hand looking out for other people they end up turning on him.
Flip is mad at Joe for doing exactly what they agreed to do. And people run with the narrative that Joe's the problem. His only fault is not being a hard A$$ and sticking to the terms of the original contract
“Tapout”
Ish is HILARIOUS.
Flip has the mindset of a child. its surprising how dudes like him even make it to the industry at all. man pretty much sayin he wanted Joe to pay him extra just for bein there lmaoooo
Come on flip we love you don’t go out like this
Where flip get that hoodie from 🔥🔥
They set this segment up just to have Joe be right on this topic for once 😂
😂😂😂
When ish said “shorty in the red dress lookin like sumn”
M. Ford looked at him like “nigga what….nigga who” 10:45
How unprofessional is he ? Terrible
Flip is loud and wrong hahahaha. He outed himself at 10:00 mark. It's not an employers job to give you extra money just to "keep you happy." WTF
No flip you emotional on this tipic
lol don’t bite the hand that feed you flip
Black Business always gets treated like this bro it’s a contract you agreed to and your job to stick to the contract. You can’t get more money because we cool 😂🤡 Joe was nice gave exact money now he wants free money 🥴😮💨💀
Joe is brilliant for leaving this in.. this is a microcosm of a bigger problem. Lack of order, rank, respect for trailblazers..
He left it in because it’s one of the rare examples of a situation where he is 100% in the right…
I hate when i give, they dont say thank you, like what if all i had is what i gave you" - Tsu Surf
5:40 Is the exact reason why Flip wont last lol. This dummy really thinks he made a needle move at the JBP.🤦🏽♂️
😂😂😂😂😂 exactly. Get yo overdoing ass outta here bucko!
The views about doubled since him & Mel came though
Joe learned a little bit from the Rory and Mal situation if you’re the boss be the boss if you the homie be the homie.
mr budden is God tier level of gas lighting hahahha
You really dont know what that term means
He is but he’s also right Flip did extra work without working out the money first for the extra work then he asked for a 3 month increase Joe gave him an increase for 6 months before bringing back to his normal pay, flip is wrong for this one
Nice knowing you Flip
If you wanna do a 3 month trial run of something, get paid for it and do it, then after come back after and have a conversation about if it should continue.
Joe could, but it's on Flip to keep the conversation about work schedule and pay increase on track
"The job is to keep them happy thats bringing in the numbers," yea, Flip would never make it in the business world with that mentality. The job is to compensate you fairly per the contract you signed. If you arent happy, see if you can re negotiate, but Joe is not obligated to go beyond the boundaries of that contract and exceed your regular payment just to keep you happy. You do your job, he pays you for that job. Its as simple as that. You cant ask for Joe to be a friend AND an employer and not expect for some compromises to happen. And on top of that, how can you demand non contractual, extra payments to be continued right in front of your co hosts who arent doing the same?
Hell, the fact that Joe already (supposedly bc we dont know all the details) went beyond the contract and paid him extra should be enough right there. To act like he's not roing enough because he finally stopped the EXTRA payments, and went back to the regular contractually obligated payments, is just whiney entitled behavior.
Joe, what are you doing? These guys literally complain about contracts half the time but don’t deliver on any substantive material (i.e. “oh I haven’t listened to that yet”, “oh I haven’t watched that yet”) what are they doing off air? I would not be able to keep my job if I spent 75% of the time complaining about compensation and how my boss was treating me and not doing any substantive work. This medium has devolved into a time suck and a drama channel with no real informative takes on the music industry, media or current events. Please fix this noisy nonsense channel before it disappears.
It's literally only happened twice and each time for different things. Ish was over a kill clause and this is Flip wylin
@P0k3D0nd3M4cG what do you mean about a kill clause in ish contract? Explain like I'm Flip.
@@MrDrakeulah i can't remember exactly what they were fighting over, but it was basically a financial security thing. As the contract stood at that moment, Joe could fire Ish (or any cast member) whenever he wanted and not provide severance or something. Basically, in the event of firing or an abrupt departure by the host, Joe's company would not be held financially liable. This is typical across all industries, but Ish and his lawyers wanted some kind of kill clause that at least guarantees some kind of compensation in the event of departure. Ish was leveraging the fact he was losing money by doing the pod (at that time, which was like over a year ago) because he wasn't able to take more construction jobs. Joe said he was compensating him fairly, especially for an "entry level" position which set Ish OFF.
@@P0k3D0nd3M4cG He also can't quit before the contract is up. That was the main arguing point.
@MrDrakeulah the main issue was that Joe can fire Ish at will spur of the moment, while Ish has contract lengths. But if Ish does quit, JBP's only recourse is to sue Ish, which is a bill for the employer. Suing an employee? Fruitless expedition for most employees in this country most dont have any $. (Ish probably does)
But if Joe gets Madd and fires Ish, Ish had to rearrange his construction business to accommodate a part time gig, not being able to take certain size job because he's not there everyday. So if Ish gets fired he's gotta rebuild is larger clients. Both sides had valid arguments.
does anyone know what episode this is?
Chiggs just got himself a new drop
Y’all not blaming the common denominator is funny to me lol
Flip is on some b.s
So flip assumed his raise that he requested was permanent after joe let it fly 2 months past the time requested . Flip unsound like a whole child in the situation
I get flip but if Joe continued longer than they both intended then realised, then flip shouldnt be upset just renegotiate on the low... unless im missing something Joe aint wrong
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Joe was 100% business wise and Flip was wrong.. shouldn’t have taken it for a “Raise.” If he wanted to keep the same pay, ask for a renegotiation. HOWEVER Joe made the same mistake again… his lack of leadership shows again. Flip is literally saying “I don’t want them to tell me. You tell me!” And Joe says “I’m eating a steak.” Stepping aside and explaining to Flip could’ve avoided the spice.
Joe eating dinner with a date isn't the time for business to be discussed. Also Flip said he ran into the accountant
@@Osideous Joe was at Dinner with Ish .. whether he was on a date or not, you still have to lead. “Hey Flip let me give you a call when I get home or first thing tomorrow morning and we discuss everything.” LEADERSHIP
@@jordanmt007 he said he was on a date. And not for nothing no one discusses business after a certain time. So for Flip to think that was okay was wild.
You can't blame Joe Budden for Flip trying to be friends with the manager and then get mad that he didn't pay you what you think you're worth
damn joe really not wrong this time 😂
FLIP GOTTA GO
Facts!!! I hope he’s done after that contract ends!
CHUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRCH!!!! - IN-CREASE!!!! 😂😂😂😂
When a mofo is being skittish about giving the details on something they brought up is how you know they know they are wrong! This is why they try to beat around the bush to make things look better in their favor. I’m only wondering now how the other cast members feel regarding flip getting special treatment. Joe clearly doesn’t care because he’s willing to do that for all of them. Wow flip you are wrong as hell.
He can’t be mad about that