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Interview with Sig's CEO Ron Cohen: Wins, Controversies, and Drones?

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  • Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024

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  • @thinkingman6648
    @thinkingman6648 Месяц назад +278

    These comments are hilarious. If it’s Glock content: “Glock doesn’t innovate, they suck”. If it’s Sig content: “Sig sucks they innovate too much.”

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +55

      *If it's Sig content: "Sig sucks, they beta test on their customers a la PSA." Fixed it for ya.

    • @DisgustedGenXr
      @DisgustedGenXr Месяц назад +24

      Glocks do not cap their owners foot. Good enough for me. I cannot get behind anything that pew pews on its own

    • @DisgustedGenXr
      @DisgustedGenXr Месяц назад

      @Silverblue-se6iy😂😂😂😂

    • @DisgustedGenXr
      @DisgustedGenXr Месяц назад +3

      @Silverblue-se6iygaston Glock does. And you will not randomly blow you wee wee awf😂😂😂

    • @joshmajor8662
      @joshmajor8662 Месяц назад +9

      EXACTLY!!! Except Glock isn’t making an anti-2A veteran their spokesperson haha 😂👎

  • @desertdwellintom
    @desertdwellintom Месяц назад +136

    Props to you James for actually asking some not soft-ball questions. I dont think the answer changed my opinion of sig much, but I do appreciate them being asked all the same.

    • @LarsBars17
      @LarsBars17 Месяц назад +22

      +1 to this comment. Props to James for asking. CEO's responses not convincing.

    • @JakeCamo
      @JakeCamo Месяц назад +5

      Agree, I think James did great asking the tougher questions, the answers were typical ceo answers unfortunately, I’m impressed with sigs new optic division/line

    • @terrarecon
      @terrarecon Месяц назад

      Agreed. This makes me respect James even more.

    • @valenzaplumbing
      @valenzaplumbing Месяц назад +2

      As a relative newcomer to guns, why does everyone have an “opinion” on firearms manufacturers? Sig, Springfield, Glock etc. People always have something to say about the top dogs. Sig seems to make a great lineup of products. So do a lot of other companies. What’s not to like?

    • @pickleeater3102
      @pickleeater3102 Месяц назад +1

      ​@valenzaplumbing it's human nature. Everyone has an opinion about everything; it's called having a brain. Opinions about car manufacturers, opinions about fast food restaurants, opinions about different Countries, etc.
      Don't you have thoughts, ideas, opinions?

  • @hankwilliams-hx9ww
    @hankwilliams-hx9ww Месяц назад +251

    I worked for Kimber when Ron was CEO over there. He destroyed that companies quality and work ethic. He's doing the exact same thing at Sig. I don't get on RUclips to talk trash all the time but in this case I'll make an exception. This man is a world-class scumbag.

    • @Bigbigpoopi
      @Bigbigpoopi Месяц назад

      109 companies

    • @FloorItDuh
      @FloorItDuh Месяц назад +30

      No doubt a student of the General Electric management school.

    • @ryanjoband9082
      @ryanjoband9082 Месяц назад +39

      I was just about to comment that there's something untrustworthy about this guys demeanor

    • @bubbalawrence1
      @bubbalawrence1 Месяц назад +20

      He’s exactly why I’m leaving sig in the dust, I’d rather buy a Hi-Point

    • @terrarecon
      @terrarecon Месяц назад +14

      @@bubbalawrence1 Damn. Yeah, I was a huge SIG fan from the old days. But now, the SIG I knew is different.

  • @SuspiciousGanymede
    @SuspiciousGanymede Месяц назад +106

    Reminds me of Todd Howard and Fallout 76:
    "It just works." 😂

    • @kyrozudesoya1829
      @kyrozudesoya1829 Месяц назад +2

      😅😅😅😅😅

    • @SUSSYxBAKA
      @SUSSYxBAKA Месяц назад

      Na Todd is in a league of his own

    • @acrienteangelic1862
      @acrienteangelic1862 Месяц назад

      Like just the quote or the irony of the quote in how the system was very much broken and had to rely on aftermarket engineering to fix the issue? Because in that sense, it's true.

  • @DutchMDeacon
    @DutchMDeacon Месяц назад +35

    Wow. His answer to the beta testing question pretty much assured I will never buy another Sig product again. "The military doesn't complain so the peons are just Sig haters." Well, Ron, I waited for two years to buy a 365. In the first 100 rounds it tried to eat its own barrel. Front portion of the chamber was making contact with the inside of the front of the slide. Two divots on either side and metal shavings all inside the slide. Being a software product EVP (and a life long quality control professional,) I understand that no process is perfect. So I sent the pistol back to Sig to make it right. Your people sent it back to me with a note saying "works as designed, it has self fitting barrel." I now understand why they felt comfortable showing such utter disregard for a customer. They are following your lead. If any of my support folks had responded to one of our clients like that I would have shown them the door personally. The fish rots from the head.

    • @nhynek
      @nhynek Месяц назад +3

      so you're saying i should buy a hellcat instead?

    • @DutchMDeacon
      @DutchMDeacon Месяц назад

      @@nhynek Being serious for a moment, I personally did not get along well with the Hellcat. Others have different opinions. My current EDC micro 9 is a Shield Plus OR. Love that little thing. As the saying goes, YMMV.

    • @Jason-fm4my
      @Jason-fm4my 23 дня назад +1

      IMO, he kinda came off more like an arrogant, sleezy, tech-bro-scammer than a passionate engineer at a renowned company. Kinda Boeing-like tbh. Not a good look.

    • @DutchMDeacon
      @DutchMDeacon 23 дня назад

      @@Jason-fm4my 💯

  • @TheLazyLabrador
    @TheLazyLabrador Месяц назад +113

    CEOs are only going to say positive things about their company. Let’s interview the disgruntled QC director and see what grievances he wants to air.

    • @Yourfavoritesurgeon
      @Yourfavoritesurgeon Месяц назад +13

      I fundamentally agree but TFB has to tread lightly to prevent making permanent enemies. I don’t blame them and would encourage them to continue protecting their business. I would simply encourage their audience to read between the lines here. James did what he could.

    • @hankwilliams-hx9ww
      @hankwilliams-hx9ww Месяц назад +2

      I've got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're going to hear about it! 😅

  • @lavajolt
    @lavajolt Месяц назад +109

    When he was asked about using customers for beta testing it reminded me when Lois was running for office and her only answer to the questions was 9/11

    • @FiveTwoSevenTHR
      @FiveTwoSevenTHR Месяц назад

      😂😂😂

    • @Yourfavoritesurgeon
      @Yourfavoritesurgeon Месяц назад +4

      SIG 100% does, and they discontinue product support in an unacceptable period of time. They have great marketing, though. And another thing, I’d wager their high capacity subcompacts are less inherently reliable. There’s a reason no other company before them crammed that many rounds into a tiny gun. And that reason isn’t just lack of accessibility to modern 3D modelling software…

    • @SamSam-ih6nt
      @SamSam-ih6nt Месяц назад +2

      😂 😂😂 no​@@Yourfavoritesurgeon

    • @BrothaGoodReps
      @BrothaGoodReps Месяц назад

      @@Yourfavoritesurgeon1000% positive you don’t know ball lol

  • @blue_ridge_shooting7668
    @blue_ridge_shooting7668 Месяц назад +103

    Classic CEO talk lol.

  • @hockeybum99reviews50
    @hockeybum99reviews50 Месяц назад +28

    sig doesn't care about civilians. they only care about big major contracts. Not to mention they have probably had the most law suits i have ever seen. Old sig kicked ass this sig sucks ass

    • @Specter044
      @Specter044 Месяц назад +4

      Unlike Colt or FN, Sig has entire product lines that are civilian centric like the P365. They also push the envelope as far as NFA adjacent products like early brace adoption or a muzzle brake very similar to a monocore suppressor. Few companies their size have taken risks like that and it paid off for them.

    • @andyhenderson441
      @andyhenderson441 Месяц назад +2

      Tell that to colt who has said at least once that they will stop selling ar pattern rifles to civilians. That whole company to be sold off because all they cared about was military contracts.

    • @wcstrawberryfields8011
      @wcstrawberryfields8011 Месяц назад +1

      The "old" SIG CEO from Germany has been leading another arms manufacturer: AREX Defense of Slovenia.

  • @nicholasemerson9852
    @nicholasemerson9852 Месяц назад +65

    Saying the military of world cares more about the soldier and not $$$ made me laugh.

  • @BaldBeardd1
    @BaldBeardd1 Месяц назад +44

    This guy dodges questions better than a politician. Masterful job dodging beta tester question.
    Guess I’m a “vulture” because I don’t trust your 320

  • @kerbalairforce8802
    @kerbalairforce8802 Месяц назад +93

    I own a few Sig products, but the company is shadier that rainforest canopy

  • @nicholasemerson9852
    @nicholasemerson9852 Месяц назад +21

    SIG.....responsible for single handedly turning every ex SOF veteran into a paid spokesman. And also for putting out 20 versions of the same model. Changing the model so much that its arguably not the same model anymore.

    • @kippbolt5449
      @kippbolt5449 Месяц назад +4

      This isn't directed soley at you, and I've owned plenty of Glocks, but isn't every single Glock just the exact same gun in different sizes? Sig at least tries to innovate and make meaningful changes, albeit some of small.

    • @nicholasemerson9852
      @nicholasemerson9852 Месяц назад +1

      @@kippbolt5449 yea I agree you're not wrong. Glock makes one gun just different calibers. But what I was really thinking about with SIG is the p365. I own 2. They're great. But the whole thing with the p365 was size and capacity was perfect to carry 365 days a yr. Now they got models that are ported and comps and darn near full sized( alot thinner I know) but still prints. At this point it's gotten completely away from what the p365 was supposed to be. And then you have literally the 20 different iterations of the 320. I like sig. But they have gone down a few notches in my book over the past few yrs. And glock....for the love of God please do something new soon...anything.

    • @Centermass762
      @Centermass762 Месяц назад +1

      If those guns weren't selling, they wouldn't be making them.

  • @Mr_New_Vegas_685
    @Mr_New_Vegas_685 Месяц назад +149

    So basically he blames “haters” for 100% of any issues Sig has.

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +3

      Isn't that the majority of Sig haters? many are just Glock people than can't stand Sig is taking so much of the global military and LE handgun market.

    • @vonleiningen
      @vonleiningen Месяц назад

      which is Jewish behavior. They'll always say their the victim, but never why.

    • @daveandrews5998
      @daveandrews5998 Месяц назад +2

      Sorry....I commented almost the exact same thing before reading your's. We shouldn't be shocked that he blames others for his own failures and his own lack of integrity.

    • @Kosme88
      @Kosme88 Месяц назад +6

      He's from Israel so yeah...

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад

      @@Kosme88 not a fan of Israel but Sig is still German owned. L&O Holdings.

  • @TheDemocraticNationalCommittee
    @TheDemocraticNationalCommittee Месяц назад +70

    No one said sig should not innovate, but products should be functional and SAFE before come to the market, don’t treat the consumer as the beta testers. Also, own up the problem, do recalls not “voluntary upgrades”. Until then, they can keep their shit, I will keep my money.

    • @bubbalawrence1
      @bubbalawrence1 Месяц назад +6

      Exactly! S&W, Taurus, Ruger, etc. do recalls and I trust them more because they are being upfront and not trying to obfuscate anything about the safety of their products

    • @Yourfavoritesurgeon
      @Yourfavoritesurgeon Месяц назад +6

      They cite innovation as an excuse, but their constant tweaking is just a way to keep their engineers and marketers paid at the expense of the end user. He cites developments in cell phone technology as a comparison to their innovation. SIG products aren’t comparable to electronics, they’re metal and plastic. There’s not as much room for innovation as they claim. For example, they’re just making a rehash of a browning tilting barrel design with their pistols. Theres nothing truly new under the sun in firearms development. A product isn’t better if it’s not consistent or thoroughly vetted, it’s worse. This guy is just doing his job I can’t blame him for that, but he’s just talking like a politician. SIG appeals primarily to new firearm owners. The marketing and military contracts appeal to them. Individuals with experience tend to avoid them.

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +4

      What about the Glock "voluntary upgrades" and silent recalls of the 90s. Did you have the same double standard then ?

    • @Specter044
      @Specter044 Месяц назад +3

      @@great_deceptionPeople have such short memories. The term Glock leg used to get thrown around too

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +1

      @@bubbalawrence1 What is the difference between a recall and the Sig VUP program. Aren't both no cost no matter how many owners the gun has passed through? Ultimately isn't the gun owner the only one who can decide whether to send a firearm in? How is this terminology triggering so many people.

  • @07thunderhawk
    @07thunderhawk Месяц назад +86

    Michael Rapaport is now the CEO of Sig? What the hell?!?!

    • @Croak1
      @Croak1 Месяц назад +5

      He could pass as Gerard Butler's brother too.

    • @surfingtothestars
      @surfingtothestars Месяц назад

      they're both Jewish, so there's that ....

    • @mig1nc
      @mig1nc Месяц назад +2

      Haha. If they make a movie about Ron Cohen I hope he gets the part.

    • @earlturner6023
      @earlturner6023 Месяц назад +2

      They are both from the same tribe

  • @chmandcrm
    @chmandcrm Месяц назад +33

    Still not buying

  • @lawrencetai7664
    @lawrencetai7664 Месяц назад +41

    Why would they carry it? Because it’s issued and authorized. Most agencies don’t offer much of a choice.

  • @grzegorzzak1109
    @grzegorzzak1109 Месяц назад +17

    James, pleasr interview Brugger Again. This was a little sad, and a lot of anoying.

  • @rpnvg
    @rpnvg Месяц назад +6

    Fantastic questions, James. I’m far from an Sig hater, I own a P365X, a MK25 and an actual military contract M18. But man, his answers were pretty crummy. He said exactly what Dead Air did with their giant Sierra-5 crumbling baffle CS fiasco, which lost so many customers:
    1. “Everyone’s just a hater because we’re #1, they’re just hating to hate.” - No. Having genuine questions about QC and safety concerns is very valid. Even if you’ve had every court case dismissed. People shouldn’t have to watch Sig Mechanic to third party channels to see why the P320 is or isn’t safe. They need to tackle it head on.
    2. “If we were so bad, why have we sold so many units to various police and military units??” - I don’t care how many people own something, how many contacts you have, etc. That’s pure Bandwagon Effect cognitive bias and it was a total bullshit answer to the P320 series handgun issue. I remember first owning a Glock when many police departments were first fielding them. Glock was being sued left and right. But Glock did *so much* to show people how all of the internal safeties worked, how it was impossible for the firearm to go off on its own, etc. They even focused their marketing team towards the three point “Safe Action” of the design. And it worked. They made it very easy to see that it was often poorly trained LEO’s shooting themselves. I have yet to see any official Sig released video that details these safeties, besides an unlisted Sig Armorer course video on the P320. People have to watch Sig Mechanic and other third party sources to find out how the design even works. Wtf.
    I feel that doing this just makes people even more angry or reaffirms their prior beliefs. Hate to see it. They really should focus part of their marketing budget towards marketing their own firearm’s safety features, like Glock did with marketing their famous Safe Action system. I absolutely love my M18 with its Romeo M17 optic and Brouwer 1811 grip. But I actually carry my P365X or Glock 19X, specifically because I don’t want to worry about the handgun stuffed in my pants. After watching so many videos, my conclusion is that a P320 is safe - but it’s as safe as carrying a cocked and unlocked 1911. IMO, it requires a safety. This isn’t a deal breaker for me as I’m already very used to flipping off safeties on my 2011’s. But still. I just don’t want to even think about it, should I need to draw my handgun. I think that safety lever is exactly why the U.S. Army, Marines and foreign militaries haven’t had any issues with their M17’s and M18’s going off - even when being used with light bearing holsters.
    Thanks for reading my TedTalk.

    • @kevinbrittingham6774
      @kevinbrittingham6774 Месяц назад +2

      Yup

    • @Lungorthin666
      @Lungorthin666 28 дней назад

      I heard the engineers at Sig suggested a trigger blade safety to fix the drop safe issue and the CEO angrily vetoed the proposal based on the fact that Glock implements the same kind of safety. Sounds like ego to me. Ego over safety and practicality.

    • @rpnvg
      @rpnvg 27 дней назад

      @@Lungorthin666 We'll never know if that's true or not. But if it is true, that's a very bizarre take -- considering Heckler & Koch, Walther, Croatian Springfield, etc all have trigger dingus safeties. How bizarre, how bizarre.

    • @rpnvg
      @rpnvg 27 дней назад

      @@kevinbrittingham6774 I love my Mini Fix & Thunder Chicken. ❤

    • @Lungorthin666
      @Lungorthin666 27 дней назад

      @rpnvg I agree but for some reason it sounds plausible to me, especially after seeing this interview

  • @bubbalawrence1
    @bubbalawrence1 Месяц назад +13

    Respect to James for the beta tester question

  • @chaoticcaninejb
    @chaoticcaninejb Месяц назад +37

    Didnt answer any question without sales and $$ as the reason. Anything negative related to haters...sad

    • @guitarthrasher81
      @guitarthrasher81 Месяц назад

      You expect a CEO to speak badly about his company?

    • @chaoticcaninejb
      @chaoticcaninejb Месяц назад +10

      @guitarthrasher81 Not badly, but open and not throwing shade or blame, but it's their mantra

    • @kyrozudesoya1829
      @kyrozudesoya1829 Месяц назад +7

      ​@@guitarthrasher81if they were actually addressing issues it'd be one thing, but they are blaming people for obvious QC shortcomings that keep getting pointed out in videos.

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +10

      @@guitarthrasher81 When John Coletti was running SVT (special vehicle team) for Ford, this was in the early 2000's, he dragged Ford through the mud and read them the riot act publicly for denying owner warranty claims if the car had been used on a track. Problem was, every SVT vehicle sold came with a complimentary annual SCCA track membership , and most of their advertising for the Mustang Cobra showed the car on a race track. Coletti stood his ground and got Ford to publicly apologize and cover all the disputed warranty claims. That is the type of integrity and conduct I expect from upper-echelon management and ownership. Might be rare now-a-days, but at one point the big dog's at some of these billion dollar corporations did have honor.

    • @lawrencemeadonia7500
      @lawrencemeadonia7500 Месяц назад +6

      The CEO wouldn't even mention a current gun other than a SIG when specifically asked to do so. Only mentioning old designs that he claims has been surpassed by SIG. He is businessman who only cares about the bottom line.

  • @TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce
    @TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce Месяц назад +13

    Once again they refuse accountability

    • @carmichaelree
      @carmichaelree 5 дней назад

      Kosher business now. And that's not a compliment.

  • @bossman762x39
    @bossman762x39 Месяц назад +18

    Typical executive speak. Asks questions about the p320 and he answers with a different gun. The p320 and the m17 m18 are not the same. One big difference the m series has physical safeties. Throw a physical safety on a p320 and all the issues go away. None of the lawsuits are over a p320 with a safety.

  • @den_see
    @den_see Месяц назад +15

    Best wishes to Sig and though innovation and cutting edge is cool, I value how a company thinks and deals with the small guy and how forthcoming and honest they are. Call me unconvinced for now.

  • @andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175
    @andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 Месяц назад +21

    Good ole sig. the Boeing of the gun world. You’ll never get a dime from me. I value the safety of my family too much.

  • @hudsonmeek6728
    @hudsonmeek6728 Месяц назад +2

    "The 365 has so much spectrum" Couldn't have said it better myself

  • @snafumagu
    @snafumagu Месяц назад +81

    Sigs "quality" has gone to the crapper in the last decade.

    • @dellman5848
      @dellman5848 Месяц назад +2

      And the the lack of sales, along with the government contracts support this.......

    • @kyrozudesoya1829
      @kyrozudesoya1829 Месяц назад +8

      ​@@dellman5848the government doesn't care about its volunteer low rent mercenaries very much in case the efficacy of the VA didn't make obvious.

    • @snafumagu
      @snafumagu Месяц назад +8

      @dellman5848 dollar for dollar there are better products by other companies in the market. I own several Sigs. Some date back 30+ years up to recent models. I can say from my own experience that their new "beta" models suck.

    • @dellman5848
      @dellman5848 Месяц назад +1

      @@snafumagu Yeah that's why Sig sales are so low.

    • @dellman5848
      @dellman5848 Месяц назад

      @@kyrozudesoya1829 Yeah that's why Sig doesn't sell gun to the general public.

  • @quoththeraven7
    @quoththeraven7 Месяц назад +7

    Although the P365X is my favorite concealed carry weapon and it's one of my most reliable handguns. I am so glad to see James Reeves bring up the beta testing question to Sig Because I wanted to hear his response He still never really answered the P320 debacle. But this was a great interview

  • @tigerman3
    @tigerman3 Месяц назад +8

    BIG disagree (your nose is a little brown James). ANY of the classic line SIG's are WAY better than the P365 in terms of quality and workmanship. The DA/SA triggers in those pistols are tough to beat!

    • @Katana_Gryphon
      @Katana_Gryphon Месяц назад +4

      I would go a step further and say that even those pale in comparison to the German ones. SIG is not the same as SIG-Sauer was.

    • @tigerman3
      @tigerman3 Месяц назад +2

      @@Katana_Gryphon Totally agree.

    • @KeanonGilliamSlang369
      @KeanonGilliamSlang369 Месяц назад +1

      You know I agree with you! I'm a huge classic line fan. I own other Sigs P320s etc,. The classic line are tough dependable and has more quality. Hopefully they won't mess that up!

  • @Lungorthin666
    @Lungorthin666 Месяц назад +8

    "What do you have to say about people being critical about some of your products that don't work as intended?"
    "There's always vultures out there who wanna shit on the big guy. Our clients wouldn't carry them if they didn't work."

  • @linkbond08
    @linkbond08 Месяц назад +39

    Why don't they post their MSRPs on the website?

    • @joecentral-o9984
      @joecentral-o9984 Месяц назад +8

      @@linkbond08 because it's the classic.... If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

    • @Landoftheignorant
      @Landoftheignorant Месяц назад +2

      Because nobody would entertain it

    • @MCLEO983
      @MCLEO983 Месяц назад +3

      Because prices are negotiated on an international level per arms deal. Posting any number on the site hurts the sales reps.

    • @linkbond08
      @linkbond08 Месяц назад +3

      @@joecentral-o9984 sig ain't for me then, I'll stick with Smith & Wesson.

    • @joule7256
      @joule7256 Месяц назад

      ​@@linkbond08it's not for most people honestly. I want a 365 but honestly I'm not sure I want any sig product after listening to this guy. I'll stick to baretta

  • @KinoTechUSA69
    @KinoTechUSA69 Месяц назад +49

    Their poor QC has run that brand into the ground. You couldn't pay me to use an Exeter Sig.

    • @SuspiciousGanymede
      @SuspiciousGanymede Месяц назад +9

      I bought a P938 a year ago and it would drop mags when shooting anything more than FMJ practice loads.
      Sig knew about the issue and didn't say anything except to those who complained about it.
      The fix was replacing the mag catch and spring to a revised version, something they wanted me to pay $90 for a warranty service fee.
      Sold it and bought a glock.

    • @KinoTechUSA69
      @KinoTechUSA69 Месяц назад +7

      ​@@SuspiciousGanymedeHard to go wrong with Glock or CZ.

    • @Yourfavoritesurgeon
      @Yourfavoritesurgeon Месяц назад

      @@SuspiciousGanymede Ganymede was a catamite of zeus… why would you pick that name? 😂🍆🤢

    • @Yourfavoritesurgeon
      @Yourfavoritesurgeon Месяц назад

      The west Germans are better, but the 226 (for example) isn’t ergonomic, it’s (top) heavy, expensive/hard to find, and low capacity for its size. I’ll pass on “sig” products.

  • @WarBird-yt1sp
    @WarBird-yt1sp Месяц назад +5

    Ron’s response to the question about the P320’s problems is the nail in the coffin for me. The immediate statement “This world is surrounded by a lot of vultures.” ( 10:12 ) just shows the inability to take responsibility. after a statement like that I can’t justify putting any trust in a striker fired Sig pistol for the foreseeable future. It would have been a much better move for him to talk about the issues that the P320 platform faced and the solutions that they have implemented, rather than just insulting his customers.
    I’m not a Sig hater, I own multiple Romeo optics and I have had multiple great experiences with their customer service people, which is a lot to ask from a large gun manufacturer today. I just don’t see a reason to carry a pistol with a known history of safety issues, that is made by a company which is unable to provide adequate explanation. As CEO, Ron Cohen is the voice of Sig Sauer and as of now, the company’s official statement on the P320 controversy is a flippant non-answer.

  • @jake9705
    @jake9705 Месяц назад +5

    Pro tip: buy new Sig stuff the same way I buy new medications.
    Simply wait 10 years for all the problems and side-effects to shake out, then consider spending your hard-earned cash.

    • @Gaspard129
      @Gaspard129 Месяц назад

      And then go buy something else anyways. Seriously, SIG does not deserve your money.

  • @vicious_machine
    @vicious_machine Месяц назад +22

    He basically said safety doesn't really matter because we have all these militaries and police adopting our products so they may not be the safest but if the military or police are adopting them then who cares it's okay

    • @jamesgarrison5546
      @jamesgarrison5546 Месяц назад +10

      No. He was saying that everyone who spends billions of dollars testing everything is buying their thing.

  • @travisboles2646
    @travisboles2646 Месяц назад +5

    Sig is a business and Ron is a businessman. Their existence is to sell their product to make money. My guess is the deciding people have set a pipeline of new products/models and all the worker bees have to meet their quota before the deadline of release. There are small teams in charge of specific projects that design whatever they are told to and have to pass it on to the next team for prototyping, testing, finalizing and production. Maybe they send test units off to departments, RUclipsrs, agencies or military guys, but there is a fixed time for the whole process. It doesn’t matter if there is 6 months for testing or 6 days, it was tested by such and such and any input or fixes will be done in production. They always seem to do batch runs making sure the whole run is sold before making a new run. They also have other products taking up the production equipment which can delay follow up runs. It is all time and money focused. If they don’t sell enough, they won’t make more, and move on to the next phase of either canceling the product line or jumping to the refreshed model. This is how Sig is able to make so many new models (innovation) and apply input from the civi/mil market.
    My thoughts on the P320 and quality are that the problems mainly stem from the materials used. The grip frame is thin molded polymer and with the vast variety of grip frame types left a lot of room for error. I am guessing they over used they molds and pumped them out faster than they should. I also believe that the FCU is difficult to mass replicate accurately as it is a stamping that gets welded, machined and the rails folded. If you have ever swapped slides and grip frames between a single FCU you will know what I mean. A premium p320 will have a fully milled FCU, and just my preference, longer front rails.
    With all that said, I don’t know anything and have never had a problem with over 1,000 rounds through multiple slides and grip frames on a P320.

  • @redmal325
    @redmal325 Месяц назад +28

    Of course the CEO didn’t acknowledge they use the public to test their products and hides behind their military contracts that aren’t fishy at all

    • @peterrooney9461
      @peterrooney9461 Месяц назад +2

      Don’t buy a new model of a car or truck, you’ll be a tester for the first couple of years fill they iron out their problems.

  • @TROY-MCCLURE-1991
    @TROY-MCCLURE-1991 Месяц назад +51

    Does Ron have dual citizenship?

    • @Christoph-sd3zi
      @Christoph-sd3zi Месяц назад +34

      The Nose Knows

    • @guitarthrasher81
      @guitarthrasher81 Месяц назад

      Is it against the law to have dual citizenship? I don’t believe the US requires you terminate your citizenship from the country you immigrated from

    • @magi5587
      @magi5587 Месяц назад +16

      HK banned selling guns to Israel on principle that they didn't want there arms being used by enemy forces.

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +25

      @@guitarthrasher81 Dude, half of Washington D.C. has dual citizenship.

    • @guitarthrasher81
      @guitarthrasher81 Месяц назад

      @@mikewebster8224 because it’s not against the law right? Maybe petition for a bill or something

  • @breadman32398
    @breadman32398 Месяц назад +5

    Meh. I don't think there was anything particularly interesting. Mostly just corporate fluff. Maybe you can do a video on the anti drone systems. That'd be cool.

  • @Jason_The_Man
    @Jason_The_Man Месяц назад +3

    I’ve owned Sigs for 30 years now.
    I think Sig has done a great job with innovation lately. I do think they are trying to be all things to all people and that the focus on quality has suffered as a result.
    Sadly this guys answer to a problems with the P320 are ruining Sigs reputation.
    I don’t think Dig knew about problems with the P320 before they released it, but I think once the word started getting out about problems they really screwed the pooch. Owning up to your problems is a HUGE determining factor in how much people will trust your product.
    Sig still does a great job with MOST of their products, but it’s time to focus on being the very best on a few people platforms, not all things to all people with mediocre results.

  • @mattwhite7421
    @mattwhite7421 Месяц назад +7

    I don't like equating innovation with unfinished products. You can innovate but also properly test a product before releasing it. The 365 is great but I held off for 3 years before I bought one because I didn't want to buy a half baked gun as my carry piece. I'll never buy a new SIG at launch. They've had too many problems on release and it doesn't seem like they are in a hurry to change.

  • @lefunnyN1
    @lefunnyN1 Месяц назад +32

    should have asked him why they make changes to their designs without clearly designating them

    • @potentpoefie
      @potentpoefie Месяц назад +3

      yeah, a MK1 or something like that, that denotes "this will fix issue x" would be nice. but then you'll probably not buy Mk0 that is still in circulation and still has the fault.

  • @BenRivered
    @BenRivered Месяц назад +3

    What a great interview, James. This is one of my most favorite interviews on You Tube regarding bang-bangs, if not THE most favorite. Kudos, my friend. Damn fine stuff!

  • @keithcrook8591
    @keithcrook8591 Месяц назад +4

    James rocking the pants for this interview…good thing because it was the only way to conceal his balls. Thanks for having a pair James and ACTUALLY asking substantive questions!

  • @wyatthausman4377
    @wyatthausman4377 Месяц назад +279

    These sig commercials are getting old.

    • @MartinVeneroso
      @MartinVeneroso Месяц назад +23

      Amen, brother!

    • @magi5587
      @magi5587 Месяц назад +27

      sig bribes too many creators and ex military, not to mention all the government contracts they keep get through dubious means. who owns sig now?

    • @jamesgarrison5546
      @jamesgarrison5546 Месяц назад

      @@magi5587same owners since like 2001. L+O holdings.

    • @03Grunt-arrino
      @03Grunt-arrino Месяц назад +13

      Well, it’s cool that the most prolific arms manufacturer of our time is this open to the public. Unlike Colt & HK, they are reaching out to US (via James) to tell us about their products. We would certainly complain if the didn’t.
      [I mention Colt & HK since they also had/have huge .gov contracts]

    • @michaelsand4573
      @michaelsand4573 Месяц назад +2

      Crybaby Block Boi 😂

  • @ogdadbod
    @ogdadbod Месяц назад +46

    Siggers keep moving. This is a Glock neighborhood!

    • @Rich45464
      @Rich45464 Месяц назад +16

      This is glock country boy

    • @Phlostonparadise2971
      @Phlostonparadise2971 Месяц назад +13

      1911 in warpaint and headdress: You're all living on stolen land.

    • @gjhoward
      @gjhoward Месяц назад +3

      Who gave you an S-word pass? 🤣🤣

    • @Thabosshoss
      @Thabosshoss Месяц назад

      @@Phlostonparadise2971😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Lexman00
    @Lexman00 Месяц назад +8

    Not to be rude, but there's something about Ron Cohen that rubs the me wrong way.

  • @littleboss6970
    @littleboss6970 Месяц назад +3

    Good on James for asking some tough questions but a shame the CEO gave the most used car salesmen responses

  • @RangerColinLZ
    @RangerColinLZ Месяц назад +29

    Jesus H. The cop out answers on the problems with the P320 specifically and other issues generally.
    The P320 explodes to the point that SIG just lost a lawsuit, not to mention the Mil models of the M17 and 18 with irons and optics flying off regularly.

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +1

      Love the know nothings, the lawsuit was based on the jury the gun was too dangerous as it didn't have a trigger safety. P320s blowing up? I remember those same people throughout the 90s and early 2000s were blowing up Glock and calling them Tupperware garbage.

  • @joshmajor8662
    @joshmajor8662 Месяц назад +6

    AWESOME!!!! Now ask why they made Tim “my rights, not yours” Kennedy their new face of Sig!??? Haha 😂🤮👎

  • @DisgustedGenXr
    @DisgustedGenXr Месяц назад +15

    Yeah. Seen 1 too many negligent discharge Sig videos. I cannot put one on my wife’s abdomen

  • @raven50x
    @raven50x Месяц назад +2

    Can't wait for the Hi-Point CEO interview, James

  • @LGB-FJB
    @LGB-FJB Месяц назад +7

    Tell him to stop paying anti 2a Tim Kennedy

  • @randomuser1596
    @randomuser1596 Месяц назад +21

    So the Country of Mexico is suing US gun manufacturers because their citizens cant behave. Sig is not included in the lawsuit. Is it because Sig provides weapons for a foreign military? Doesnt Sig have a contract to supply weapons to the Mexican Military aka the Cartels?

    • @RooftopKorean-gc4ig
      @RooftopKorean-gc4ig Месяц назад +9

      Sig has their hands in everything... just look at how many retired military personnel that had a hand in the contract requisitions/decision making process have become Sig employees or "consultants."

    • @ehornad
      @ehornad Месяц назад

      Citizens OR AFT fast-n-furious selling guns to cartels

    • @StagFabulous
      @StagFabulous Месяц назад +1

      @@boffa-deez Sir I'm going to have to turn you in to the authorities for pattern recognition. Noticing the pattern is super evil, sir.

  • @stevec9704
    @stevec9704 Месяц назад +7

    James, damn good interview and questioning! 👍

  • @albiecho03
    @albiecho03 Месяц назад +21

    the old m9's ive used were better to shoot and more accurate than the crappy m17's we got 😂

    • @bionicwolf3342
      @bionicwolf3342 Месяц назад +6

      M9 was a fantastic gun and I was pissed when we switched to Sig. Total downgrade. absolutely hated it.

    • @albiecho03
      @albiecho03 Месяц назад +1

      @@bionicwolf3342 yeah man, the m9a3 or a4 would have been legit

  • @ianfischer2254
    @ianfischer2254 Месяц назад +7

    A little hubris showing, but some of it is deserved. Loved this interview, just like Beretta, CZ, etc. now let’s hear from Big Daddy in Austria

    • @jamesquinn6874
      @jamesquinn6874 29 дней назад

      That will have to be a long distance call now

  • @JohnSmith-nh9vr
    @JohnSmith-nh9vr Месяц назад +10

    Most importantly they go boom without you even pulling the trigger.

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +2

      I heard about that one. The P320 RUST with the Baldwin action trigger

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +1

      You're a cop ?

  • @joshmajor8662
    @joshmajor8662 Месяц назад +3

    10 mins in and I can’t stomach anymore of this obviously, lying shill!! Just like I thought, says WHATEVER to get to the next question!! Absolutely nothing genuine.

  • @jhamm12
    @jhamm12 Месяц назад +3

    Thanks Ron Cohen for meeting with James and sharing your background and information about Sig Sauer. I have several Sig guns and I love them all. P938, P320, MCX etc. Keep doing what you guys are doing! I also love many other gun manufacturers and have several guns that I thoroughly enjoy shooting. James, as always, excellent interviews and interesting guests. Your videos are great and they get better and better.

  • @jessitaylor4170
    @jessitaylor4170 Месяц назад +2

    Well sigs quality control has gone down in the past few years, they need to focus on quality over anything else.

  • @easycheese6261
    @easycheese6261 Месяц назад +3

    nice interview. i dont think the guy came off terrible. im grouchy about my new rusted p365 though and this didnt change that

    • @wcstrawberryfields8011
      @wcstrawberryfields8011 Месяц назад +3

      AREX makes a non-corroding P365 called the "Delta." Ironically, SIG-Germany's last CEO works for AREX!

    • @easycheese6261
      @easycheese6261 Месяц назад +2

      @@wcstrawberryfields8011 lol glad someone picked up the slack. the engineers of the p365 made such a great gun, then the rest of sig seemed to half ass it

  • @jeffreyoldham55
    @jeffreyoldham55 Месяц назад +8

    You did *not* pull any punches with your questions. But you also did not make this a hostile interrogation, and kept it very respectful. Great interview, James.

  • @ManapuaMan
    @ManapuaMan Месяц назад +11

    5:20 asking the question about Sig using customers as beta testers was wrong James. It should have been using customers as "FINAL" product testers.
    SIGS answer seemed to be "Military, military, military says is good, you guys are just haters.

  • @alifonso1981
    @alifonso1981 Месяц назад +2

    Great interview! Great job!

  • @magi5587
    @magi5587 Месяц назад +8

    sig bribes too many creators and ex military, not to mention all the government contracts they keep get through dubious means. who owns sig now?

    • @bradenmchenry995
      @bradenmchenry995 Месяц назад

      Explain how Sig submitting firearms that adhere to contract guidelines are somehow dubious when they win

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад

      So your favorite brand gets military contracts, they must be bribed? Did you hold Glock to the same standard all these years ?

  • @spartan0771
    @spartan0771 Месяц назад +4

    Sig has 3300 employees? Wow what a crazy coincidence

  • @bakedandsteaked
    @bakedandsteaked Месяц назад +4

    Can we hear less from company reps trying to sell me shit and more from TFB reviewers? That would be nice.

  • @thepoliticalhitman
    @thepoliticalhitman Месяц назад +2

    Sig is the new Colt and we all know how that ended.

  • @pieguy1098
    @pieguy1098 Месяц назад +3

    I miss the real sig, western european gun companies have their issues with American consumer disconnect, but in the relatively short time since Sig became a basically US only operation they've adopted all the issues big American gun companies have.

    • @wcstrawberryfields8011
      @wcstrawberryfields8011 Месяц назад

      Guess where the old German SIG CEO went?
      He's at the head of AREX Defense! There's a company doing something right.

  • @kippbolt5449
    @kippbolt5449 Месяц назад +3

    I wonder if there are many folks in the comments that remember the days of Glocks Ka-Boom issues? Early Glock days people hated Glock. Folks loved to point to the issues with Glocks ka-booming. GlockTalk had dozens of threads at any given time talking about it. Seems Glock survived and it was a miniscule issue. I suspect the same is true of Sig. Couple .000001% issues blown out of proportion on the interwebs.

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +2

      History repeats itself, Glock days it was "Glocks blowing up" and mostly cops shooting themselves in the leg, aka GlockLeg. Now the same 2 things being brought up with P320s. Which is sad and shows people just get mad and lie when their favorite brand isn't selected for global military LE contracts.

  • @notyoaveragejosay1577
    @notyoaveragejosay1577 Месяц назад +27

    Typical politician

    • @Zedisdeadbaby666
      @Zedisdeadbaby666 Месяц назад +1

      SIG produced weapons for the Nazis and yet there is a Jewish CEO. Let that sink in.

    • @guitarthrasher81
      @guitarthrasher81 Месяц назад

      Do you own a company? Would you trash your own company?

    • @undefinedhuman7404
      @undefinedhuman7404 Месяц назад

      he's also a (((small hat)))

    • @notyoaveragejosay1577
      @notyoaveragejosay1577 Месяц назад +3

      @@guitarthrasher81 just speak your mind

  • @JakeCamo
    @JakeCamo Месяц назад +1

    Good interview James, you’re gonna a lot of hate from people, but i think you walked a good line from getting hard questions in without coming off as attacking sig. some people need to grow up and stop hoping for a reality tv fight with every sig interview

  • @TheArmourersBench
    @TheArmourersBench Месяц назад +3

    James: have you thought about slapping a 365 on a drone? 👌

  • @DinduDestroyer
    @DinduDestroyer Месяц назад +19

    Cohen. Lol. Every. Single. Time.

  • @gabriellord3286
    @gabriellord3286 Месяц назад +2

    Love my M18. SIG makes awesome guns.

  • @Barbaroossa
    @Barbaroossa Месяц назад +3

    James, did you ask him why he turned SIG's QC department into absolute shit?

  • @anomaly864
    @anomaly864 Месяц назад +1

    Should've asked why Sikh Sauer is selling guns with sketchy quality Indian made parts while still charging German quality pricing.
    Obviously based on this interview the dude is banking on the mindset that "muh military only buys the best so I should buy what they use".
    Ron sold the M17/M18 for $205 each to the US Army which is why they won the contract. Glock probably would've won if they weren't so greedy to demand an extra $150 for a manual safety.

  • @philreynolds7216
    @philreynolds7216 Месяц назад +1

    The rolling updates is more like car manufacturers - yearly model updates and sometimes mid-year updates. Nobody complains about that.

    • @bubbalawrence1
      @bubbalawrence1 Месяц назад +1

      Except those yearly updates are clearly denoted by the model year, sig does nothing of the sort it’s just word of mouth that the MPX is on its 3rd generation

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +1

      @@bubbalawrence1 Is Glock any different, look at all the revisions they made even within the Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3 pistols. Glock alone has gone though about 25 magazine revisions since the 1980s. I love the double standard of some people.

  • @MattAAW
    @MattAAW Месяц назад +8

    Nothing wrong with P320s but embarassed officers who ND'd

  • @miltonoliver3705
    @miltonoliver3705 Месяц назад +1

    I owned a few sigs, the 226 and p365 variants are their current best handguns, i believe the new fuse will replace the p320, maybe a fuse xl with a longer barrel and bigger mag capacity, the 2nd gen mcx is very good no experience with new mcx, i own a 300 rattler and its my bedside gun

  • @jvc6489
    @jvc6489 Месяц назад +14

    Sig is turning into HK, right before our eyes. Their market focus has changed from the consumer, to .Gov. His voice, (and his words) give life to my observations. Remember the Sig where you could get dozens of varieties of hand guns in many calibers? Now you can get many varieties… if only in 9mm. His 1st gen MPX comments are received poorly, mine 100% didn’t work out of the box and had to be sent back to the factory, it’s not an iPhone4. Sig was on track for the MPX in 40, and .357 Sig. some of us only bought the MPX to get the promised flexibility, now we get told to upgrade? Upgrade to what?

    • @bradenmchenry995
      @bradenmchenry995 Месяц назад +7

      At least Sig literally sells us military firearms unlike Hk. Hk hates the commercial market

    • @DocMitchell69
      @DocMitchell69 Месяц назад +3

      To be fair, anything other than 9mm is pointless. So that answers that.

    • @jvc6489
      @jvc6489 Месяц назад

      @@bradenmchenry995 I agree on that, for how long?

    • @jvc6489
      @jvc6489 Месяц назад

      @@DocMitchell69 Oh, okay. I’m glad you can decide for everyone.

    • @jvc6489
      @jvc6489 Месяц назад

      For clarity, I love/have loved Sig for a couple decades, just disappointed in the loss of selection and lack of follow thru on MPX gen1 promises

  • @benjaminbrown4384
    @benjaminbrown4384 Месяц назад +1

    Great interview james. This guy's answer to every question is ridiculous. Drop safe issues should have been addressed. It wasn't a small sample.

  • @RottenRotny
    @RottenRotny Месяц назад +4

    Few 1000 through my M18 with no issues and I loooove my 226. That's really all that matters to me.

  • @triviszla1536
    @triviszla1536 Месяц назад

    It is my belief the people complaining about Sig’s ever improving catalog are victims of consumerism. They have become so caught up in the idea of “BUY, BUY, BUY!” that they can’t keep up. They get angry when a new product isn’t 2000% better than the last and instead only incrementally better so they throw shade. If this applies to you: You don’t *need* every single SKU on the Sig website.

  • @ElRey_22
    @ElRey_22 Месяц назад +3

    @jamesreeves Nice job! I wasn’t expecting you to ask that P320 question. Overall, great interview.

    • @Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28
      @Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 Месяц назад

      He let him slide without answering the questions directly. Nothing but the typical word salad political answers like usual.

  • @polop3338
    @polop3338 Месяц назад +6

    This guy looks shady

  • @07thunderhawk
    @07thunderhawk Месяц назад +27

    Cohen????

    • @r3dcoat397
      @r3dcoat397 Месяц назад +21

      How do you think they get all the contracts

    • @pat2430
      @pat2430 Месяц назад +22

      Oy vey! Noticing!

    • @Zedisdeadbaby666
      @Zedisdeadbaby666 Месяц назад +1

      SIG weapons are expensive. There's a reason for that. Some people need to get rich as it seems.

    • @bionicwolf3342
      @bionicwolf3342 Месяц назад +14

      Dual citizen I bet.

    • @guitarthrasher81
      @guitarthrasher81 Месяц назад

      Aww sad 2% of the population can outperform your 60% in every industry? LOL grow that corn boi

  • @jdm06types
    @jdm06types Месяц назад +1

    Love the variety that TFBTV brings to the table. Always great content

  • @robertsonnier7845
    @robertsonnier7845 Месяц назад +2

    James, excellent questions and they “fit” the interviewer and the guest.

  • @DossFarm
    @DossFarm 16 дней назад

    Heck of an interview.
    Nice work by all. 👊🏻
    There’s a fuse on my nightstand as I type this, my Glock 45 is in the drawer. I feel like I’m cheating but I’m allowing it.

  • @rxdoom1194
    @rxdoom1194 Месяц назад +1

    I appreciate James asking hard questions

  • @TheReal_Dan
    @TheReal_Dan Месяц назад +2

    I love my 365 X-macro comp! Best carry gun ever.

  • @03Grunt-arrino
    @03Grunt-arrino Месяц назад +1

    To have the most prolific arms manufacturer of our time, with massive .gov contracts, sitting with a gun-tuber so they can reach US is refreshing. Colt & HK couldn’t have cared less about us once they received their contracts. They are doing the opposite and people are still complaining. Unbelievable haha
    Great job bringing this to us James.

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +1

      That's because the only thing Colt did to try and be viable post-80s was the POS Double Eagle. And with H&K, phenomenal quality and innovative, military grade firearms but their latest versions can't be sold in the US due to import restrictions.

    • @03Grunt-arrino
      @03Grunt-arrino Месяц назад +1

      @@great_deception both true.

  • @michaelemery1020
    @michaelemery1020 Месяц назад +5

    James, this was a great interview. Ron seemed to be very straightforward, even chatty. Good job with the interview.

  • @mikewebster8224
    @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +6

    Can someone clarify for me which SIG is used "by the best of the best" in the U.S. military? Seems like the units that have their own procurement don't touch SIG.

    • @alexmiller5796
      @alexmiller5796 Месяц назад +5

      Politicians getting pockets line, generals and other high up officers in the military too.
      Money talks.

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад +4

      @@alexmiller5796 True, but that really only effects regular military units. This dude was implying SIG's stuff is ran by Tier 1 and 2 operators.

    • @alexmiller5796
      @alexmiller5796 Месяц назад +2

      @@mikewebster8224 usually those groups are given the ability to pick the firearms they want from what I’ve been told, Pistols rifles snipers ect

    • @great_deception
      @great_deception Месяц назад +2

      What are you talking about, Delta runs MCXs along with HK416s. And now the SEALs are using P320 X5 along with their Glocks. Other units in SOCOM are running MCXs, P320s as well.

    • @mikewebster8224
      @mikewebster8224 Месяц назад

      @@great_deception Not saying your wrong, but never seen/heard any of those guys mention the mcx or p320. When I hear recent Army SOF, MARSOC, Seals, etc talk about what they carried its almost always the 416 and G19, with various SCAR, M45, MP5/7's sprinkled in.

  • @Ivan_I99999
    @Ivan_I99999 Месяц назад +4

    So how much did general Miller cost?

  • @BrandonJones-cq7yu
    @BrandonJones-cq7yu Месяц назад +3

    lets be honest. That x-ten had a huge number of QC issues.

  • @bilb0690
    @bilb0690 Месяц назад +1

    Say what you will about the 320 launch (it was bad). Sig continues to innovate and push forward. They don't do dumb shi* like release 8-10 round versions of their gun because they are afraid of models competing with each other 🙄 forcing their consumers to use 3rd party components. And they listen to their customers. I completely agree with James.. the 365 platform is the best handgun on the market, let alone that sig makes.