I’m hearing rumors that Broly can still punish him and that his counter sucks against Quick Raw Tag. Haven’t seen any footage of this, but I’d look out for vids.
@@CarnageRulez469 I didn't know that... but I've heard that you can still vanish out of it but that the timing is way tighter. However I've also heard that against grabs, it's unescapable so while it's not as scary as I first thought, it's still seems dangerous to me...
Xardìn Lume Just had someone in my group lab it. Yes, you can still vanish 214S, but Jiren can Vanish counter an opponent countering with their Vanish, LVL3 or Raw Tag. Broly does have some weird gimmicks that let him escape Jiren’s vanish counter tho, but I think that’s just him.
Ive mained him since he came out, his mixes are limited, but what I like is his damage output is really high giving him super easy unassisted TODs with teammates. Hope they re-work him into a top tier character but doubt it.
I use Jiren since his D1 too, so it's true. Also, is 236S is very good and can nullify every beam and assist, so it's a strong move even if it doesn't have a lot of range
it's true, though a little difficult to do from certain projectiles (i.e jeice). amazingly easy off of recoome's eraser gun, so easy that it's completely possible in a real match.
Anonymous McJirenSucks I main Ginyu and Jiren. If you use Purple Comet especially, it gives you ample time to body swap should the Jiren be foolish enough to try ki countering it. That’s one I’ve managed to get once in a game... they didn’t stick too long around after.
@@SuperSaiyanDate jiren didn't get stomped in the anime. Him and ui goku were pretty evenly matched sure but jiren was still putting the hurt on goku. The manga though? That man was a bitch
The only reason why I got this character is cuz I bought the fighterz pass. It’s cheaper that buy the characters individually but jiren? Messes the pass up. -.-
I love short example vids on characters like this, informative and humorously taking the piss at the same time. Anyone know the song for the first part of the vid?
Ways to make Jiren better: *Give his 214S counter 0 delay when teleporting to the player so they can't escape with any move *Allow him to convert off of his melee counters with 2S/2H or special moves, let counters by-pass armor. Of course, scaled damage. *Double the distance his projectile-deflecting shoulder barge travels *Reduce 5H grab start-up to 24 frames, grab gives wall-bounce like normal 5H and allow super-dash after Quite a few changes, but honestly even with these Jiren is not even A tier
Another buff would be that he could chain M attacks into L attacks. Vegitto also has a 2L that works like an M attack and he can chain M attacks into L attacks, but Jiren can only go to H attacks which are terrible. This way his combo, chaining and mix up options would be vastly improved.
just reference another fighter in an arcsys game make H grab the fastest in the game since you can't even combo into it with its current slow as molasses speed outside of usin somethin like spark, and let him SD into it. plus, if it's lightning fast, it'd be an instant buff to his pressure as now people have a reason to be scared rather than wait for the time to mash. high damage + extremely fast grab + really solid normals with excellent frame data is the formula that makes Sol Badguy work in GG. sol also has really powerful specials, and jiren's specials suck. buff his counters so he can combo off of them, make them BOTH beat mids, and this dude perhaps becomes the scariest character in the whole game when he's in your face even though his M, S and 2H normals don't help him that much in the frame data department. you don't need to buff his highlow, you don't need to give him more tools, you just need to make his already existing kit actually matter. obviously they're not going to give his grab 4 frames of startup, but even something like 14 frames would make it horrifying and worth replacing a whole ass normal.
@@axlnymous9582 Isn't like 16 frames considered the least amount of frames to be seen as "reactable"? The whole point of grab games in Fighterz is as a pressuring tool to prevent constant jumping or just holding block. If the startup is designed so you can't mash out, then you'd have to jump. There'd have to be a tradeoff outside of low combo potential. It might have to have more end frames for punishing purposes
Jiren needs some serious buffs for season 3. A faster start up on his command grab, armor would be really nice on jiren. That energy counter to actually work where you can't get out of it if you use it.
@@W1ll88 especially since in the anime when Goku fought him with his transformations it had no effect on him at least some sort of armor would've been nice
When the only thing that can't beat Jiren is Jiren. Also you can super dash through the third hit of his auto-combo which doesn't seem bad until you apply on to the list of B.S he already has to deal with.
Roy had reverse up special on Jiggs, giving him something resembling a not horrendous matchup. Plus 3 characters definitely worse than him; Pichu, Kirby, and Bowser Jiren has nothing
On the brighter side, Dekillsage made a video going over what he thinks are some positives for Jiren ruclips.net/video/kArRHTr6Jgw/видео.html Also, as of the UI Goku patch, Jiren's 214X counter losing to armor has been fixed.
@@averageguy3661 blacklight babe: ruclips.net/video/j6qUU0PPbjk/видео.html DBFZ broly theme (obviously) as for the second video beyond the dark life: ruclips.net/video/8862r9uvL_w/видео.html the vampire saga: ruclips.net/video/skKHJptFYSk/видео.html
Jiren's design is bad imo. He is a character that is build to counter what the opponent does. He has 4 counters (Low, Overhead, DP like, Proyectile) and moves that react to other moves. Yet, The Reward he gets from them is none considering you predicted a Move before it happened. Vegito has only one counter that has almost all of Jiren's different properties and he gets more reward from it.
@@datpurplestuff7482 Taking in consideration than Jiren is already punishable if he counters the wrong move, Just because Vegito's counter has more recovery frames doesn't mean it's worse. In other words, Vegito is a better counter character than Jiren, a Purely based counter character.
@@datpurplestuff7482 I've been playing Jiren and trust me, every time i guess wrong, i get hard punished. And that is if i guess wrong on the attack. If my opponent baits the counter, the punish is worse. And if my counter is success, the reward i get is almost none. Very high risk, very low reward. When i used to play vegito, i just needed to guess WHEN my opponent decided to attack me and that's it. The reward is not that big either but is still better than Jiren's.
Girox 88 yeah, I feel like the only issue is not only do you have to guess the attack you also gotta guess the type of attack so it’s harder on Jirens end, if they just make his normal counter universal against highs and lows Jiren would be a better character.
1:04 it sounds weird but that Hit's attack is considered a punch, not a projectile. Basically if you do 214L and Hit uses that attack, no matter how far you are from Hit, you counter his attack and counter him. Yeah, it's weird.
@@navadax4541 already answered this in another comment but i'll throw them here as well blacklight babe: ruclips.net/video/j6qUU0PPbjk/видео.html DBFZ broly theme (obviously) as for the second video beyond the dark life: ruclips.net/video/8862r9uvL_w/видео.html the vampire saga: ruclips.net/video/skKHJptFYSk/видео.html
Ok look if Kid Buu can dodge his counter then there is a problem. Same with Gotenks(he is really good but 2 kids$. Also Videl and Yamcha?! Yup I’m sorry Jiren. You can’t recover from that
I was going to comment on the video before actually watching it. I was going to exclaiming something like it’s probably Beerus that’s actually a worse character. After watching this four-minute video, this is all the proof I need that you are 100% correct
In hindsight (and in a reality ensues sort of way), this actually makes sense. As broken as Jiren was in the show, he was only really that way thanks to his *Preposterously* high power level. As far as fighting skills go, he doesn't really stand out much compared to the other fighters. Just about every other major character in the series has studied and practiced martial arts their whole lives, and have their own style dedicated to what they've learned. Jiren......, despite his rep, doesn't really have a given style (if he even studies martial arts at all). From what we saw of him in the show, he mostly just relied on his overwhelming raw power to plow through everything in sight. And in a fighting game where everyone is now placed on equal footing, and skill actually now plays a key factor in everything, suddenly.......Jiren's flaws seem a lot more evident.
Wasn't aware of this being a DBZF video at 1st. Was just gonna come in here and agree to whatever about DBS but then I saw that this was about fighters. Still have the same opinion.
still plenty of stuff that beats jiren any way. for reasons beyond me, jiren's counter impact actually hits on frame 5, not frame 1, and the freeze lets you buffer hits. DPs most certainly count for that reason, attempting to hit someone who has a DP will always result in you dying. his counter should not be vulnerable. streamable.com/kxmgd also you can literally jump out of it, i didn't even know this streamable.com/kz1dv
You can do the physical counter on hits line attack though lol, looks funny cause hit just goes wherever jiren is. That's why the projectile counter doesnt work.
Even with all these flaws I'm still going to play my boy Jiren. I've seen pros work with this character well like dogura and kanzunoko. (obviously I'll never be good as them though.) but who knows maybe I love Jiren so much in dragon ball i don't want to stop playing the character no matter how many flaws he has in the gameplay. His Ki counter, grab, and low and medium counter need a buff though.
While I admit the counter isnt always a good idea, his infinity rush in block strings is meant to be covered by an assist like kid Buu or yamcha. Any long assist or fast assist can help fix the issues with infinity rush. I put jiren on a team with kid Buu and Rosé and went 5 to 0 on a team of a guy who was 3 ranks above me. It was hard but doable
Here are my suggestions for Jiren buff. I am currently playing Jiren and Broly regularly to prove Jiren isnt that bad and it's been going well. I am ranked SSJ Rose and I always have been, I dont play Ranked as much because its either rage quitters or higher tier people make it boring because they only play the EVO teams. I want to play variety. Jiren Buffs: Make his Ki Blast counter like Janemba's Shorten the frames on his Standing H Faster L or Crouching L (doubt it will happen, but I think this will help him with people who wake up and mash L). Down,Forward, Ki needs to have its ranged extended slightly. Ki Blast should be as strong beam like Gogeta and Broly Super. I feel these changes will put him a little more in line with Broly. Jiren kit is there it's just needs a slight buff. It's like they had the intention of him dominating at Neutral and being a little big boi pressure up close but...they failed on his Neutral and his upclose game is solid, but the faster standing H would put him in Broly tier for grab mix ups.
broly highlights a particular problem with jiren, being his counter not activating while the opponent is armored. broly also highlights how bad jiren's 214S is, since broly can superdash to beat it and continue zoning out jiren broly has better normals than jiren, longer range, safer on block, armor, etc. which lets him play somewhat passive/aggressively as jiren, or "counterbased" by using armor to stuff a hit and then smack the opponent broly's grab is better the matchup is abysmal for jiren, and as stated in the video, broly does everything that jiren does except better. it's so bad that broly outright shuts jiren down. outside of broly's 236X series which is totally different (more equivalent to jiren's 236S), broly and jiren have the same anti-projectile idea on their 214S, both enjoy a counter game, and both are built to control the space as much as possible (jiren's j.S is actually good when used alongside 236X to catch superdash, giving him at least an okay zoning game) and bully the opponent. it highlights jiren's flaws much more, hence why it's included. broly is legitimately just jiren but bigger and much better in terms of playstyle. jiren is not so bad that you're guaranteed to lose if you use him, however he is easily the worst character. krillin's problem is his assist, however krillin has better mixups, better pressure, better specials, better space control (thanks to a very good beam) and lots of tricky nonsense, including season 1 tier oki off of level 3 when set up properly. i do not believe that krillin is the worst character as a result, even with his below average normals. buff this alien, make all of his stuff better.
Using jiren ki counter vs assist is actually pretty nice, gives him i frames similar to videl dodge that he can always act out of, and even call assists while in i frames.
from my testing with vegeta assist, he isn't able to do much other than block due to recovery frames. though the short invuln can certainly allow for some cheeky reversals if the opponent doesn't respond properly. i imagine it's the same for yamcha's and kid buu's, assuming those are even grabbed by 214S.
@@axlnymous9582 I'm pretty sure only projectiles are counted, even for assists. I don't get why they made Jiren's so bad yet they gave Janemba pretty much what this should've been months after
I'm not too knowledgable on frame data or anything like that, but I think a huge buff that'd be in character is some heavy super armor. Just have a majority of his attacks plow through other attacks with huge priority, like anything that isn't a super just be ignored until the attack goes out. Heck, give him a watered down UI Goku's forward walk, where he takes the damage, but it doesn't knock him back. If he has huge start up times, he should ignore everything to get there and only be punished if he misses.
"Outdated hopefully"
IT IS. AND I'M SCARED.
*TALK TO THE FUCKING HAND*
I’m hearing rumors that Broly can still punish him and that his counter sucks against Quick Raw Tag. Haven’t seen any footage of this, but I’d look out for vids.
@@CarnageRulez469 I didn't know that... but I've heard that you can still vanish out of it but that the timing is way tighter. However I've also heard that against grabs, it's unescapable so while it's not as scary as I first thought, it's still seems dangerous to me...
Xardìn Lume Just had someone in my group lab it.
Yes, you can still vanish 214S, but Jiren can Vanish counter an opponent countering with their Vanish, LVL3 or Raw Tag.
Broly does have some weird gimmicks that let him escape Jiren’s vanish counter tho, but I think that’s just him.
@@CarnageRulez469 but here's the catch. You can vanish as jiren.
Jiren. The only character in the game that punishes you for guessing right.
I read that weirdly at first
Jiren is the only character that punish you for spending $5 on him.
@@aaaaaaaaaaaadddd Lmfao
@@dekuskrub2154 how
@@aaaaaaaaaaaadddd plus taxes 😒
Don’t worry guys Jiren is just going easy on them.
Y O U R S T U P I D I T Y A M U S E S J I R E N
Ok if you say so
A lil bit too easy
Underrated comment
Is he?
Jiren: Guesses an attack correctly and punishes accordingly.
Literally everyone else: So you have chosen death.
Okay Rohan lol
Slightly Mediocre thats the most accurate shit ive read all year
@@froggy2247 it makes more sense to say you throw rock first but they only can throw anything else after you already have
@Uni BlackSister krillins rock beats all
😂😂😂
Jiren is so powerful that no one can play with him properly that’s all.
Ive mained him since he came out, his mixes are limited, but what I like is his damage output is really high giving him super easy unassisted TODs with teammates. Hope they re-work him into a top tier character but doubt it.
I use Jiren since his D1 too, so it's true. Also, is 236S is very good and can nullify every beam and assist, so it's a strong move even if it doesn't have a lot of range
He’s also a boring character...like most dbs characters
@@imtoostonedtocomeupwithaus5976 u trippin craig
@Uni BlackSister he;s right though?
You can confirm into Ginyu’s body swap off Jiren’s ki counter.
this better not be true
it's true, though a little difficult to do from certain projectiles (i.e jeice).
amazingly easy off of recoome's eraser gun, so easy that it's completely possible in a real match.
Anonymous McJirenSucks I main Ginyu and Jiren.
If you use Purple Comet especially, it gives you ample time to body swap should the Jiren be foolish enough to try ki countering it. That’s one I’ve managed to get once in a game... they didn’t stick too long around after.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
But why? Then you will just be stuck with a worse character (¬‿¬)
Bruh that kid Goku double spirit bomb at the end really sealed the deal that I'm never playing jiren again
When you get TOD'd for successfully using your projectile counter
task failed successfully
Bruh that gt goku part made me fucking nearly piss my pants 😂
CHILL! XD
lol, GT Goku managed to do what Super Goku failed at. Twice.
“Leave Jiren to me.” - the whole cast of DBFZ
"Leave literally everyone to me"-jiren (anime)
@@saip. *get stomped* -Jiren (anime and manga)
@@SuperSaiyanDate jiren didn't get stomped in the anime. Him and ui goku were pretty evenly matched sure but jiren was still putting the hurt on goku.
The manga though? That man was a bitch
umineko pfp? :eyes:
That double spirit bomb was painful to watch
Haven’t even bought Jiren and I want a refund
He was so OP in DBS to the point he got hella nerfed in DBFZ
what rubbish
No he's just going easy on everyone
He also got *SO* fucking nerfed in Dragon Ball Heros
He wasn't.
0:28 Imagine getting TOD’d because you did the right thing
If u die for it its not the right thing ;-)
You picked Jiren in the character select, obviously you did not do the right thing
@Matthew Elam But if the move punishes you for doing "the right thing" It is clearly not the right thing.
@@jevzhy3653 then what is the "right thing"
@@unknownguy8687 Wait for UI Goku for a good counter character.
*makes one of the strongest characters in that whole anime into the worst character in the game
Lord Palpetine: “ironic...”
Beerus
He was scared to lose an Wich he did 😆 it seem he was wipe out of existing
It's boring to lose all the time and it's boring to watch Jiren. Go figure.
He is not even close to the strongest list.
Nathaniel Date a bold claim given that even destroyers cannot stand up to him.
If they don't give him some fat buffs in Season 3, I am gonna lose some brain cells.
I second that
Agree. Can't believe I spent money on this character. Meanwhile they let Gt goku run amok.
The only reason why I got this character is cuz I bought the fighterz pass. It’s cheaper that buy the characters individually but jiren? Messes the pass up. -.-
@@QuackWinner2567 Don't worry my friend, he'll get some buffs next patch...
Who would want 2
I love short example vids on characters like this, informative and humorously taking the piss at the same time. Anyone know the song for the first part of the vid?
ruclips.net/video/j6qUU0PPbjk/видео.html
and for the second video
ruclips.net/video/8862r9uvL_w/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/skKHJptFYSk/видео.html
@@axlnymous9582 thanks!
@@axlnymous9582 GOATED, thank you. lol
Jiren : IM THE STRONGEST IN DBS
Jiren in DBFZ : im the weakest in DBFZ
Jiren: "I am the strongest mortal"
OG Broly: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
The King OG broly will get completely shitstomped by jiren no diff. As he gotten defeated by a powered up Regular SS.👎🏼
The King Maybe the new broly will beat him but not the OG one.👎🏼
@@BlessedOrri
Boy. We're talking in game.
OG Broly is still the best Broly.
@@BlessedOrri but he is not.
Jiren can't fight any regular SS in the original.
I died laughing when Cell sparked after hitting Jiren
Meister Meme Same here LOL I’ve seen TOD enough times to know where it was going
"It's time for you to die"
-a Cell that just landed perfect attack
I don't even play DBFZ and I knew where that was going LOL
I laughed at the pose Cell did right before doing that flip
@@NinjaGuyDan_ gets hit with one jab of the ice climbers
Universe 7: "Yo, why couldn't we do this in the anime?"
0:28
Jiren: Ha I got you!
*Gets death combo'd.*
WHY DOES SUPERDASH BEAT COUNTER
WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA JFC
that ending was overkill
I knew Jiren wasn’t a good character but man I didn’t know he was THIS bad
I love how the cell counter immediately sparked up. Fenretti probs already has a combo somewhere to end this man's whole career
Little Mac: At least my counter works.
It's over
For Jiren, that is.
Ways to make Jiren better:
*Give his 214S counter 0 delay when teleporting to the player so they can't escape with any move
*Allow him to convert off of his melee counters with 2S/2H or special moves, let counters by-pass armor. Of course, scaled damage.
*Double the distance his projectile-deflecting shoulder barge travels
*Reduce 5H grab start-up to 24 frames, grab gives wall-bounce like normal 5H and allow super-dash after
Quite a few changes, but honestly even with these Jiren is not even A tier
Another buff would be that he could chain M attacks into L attacks. Vegitto also has a 2L that works like an M attack and he can chain M attacks into L attacks, but Jiren can only go to H attacks which are terrible. This way his combo, chaining and mix up options would be vastly improved.
Just lock people into place when his counter activates,or give him a instant grab when it activates,easy peasy lemon squeezy
just reference another fighter in an arcsys game
make H grab the fastest in the game since you can't even combo into it with its current slow as molasses speed outside of usin somethin like spark, and let him SD into it. plus, if it's lightning fast, it'd be an instant buff to his pressure as now people have a reason to be scared rather than wait for the time to mash. high damage + extremely fast grab + really solid normals with excellent frame data is the formula that makes Sol Badguy work in GG.
sol also has really powerful specials, and jiren's specials suck. buff his counters so he can combo off of them, make them BOTH beat mids, and this dude perhaps becomes the scariest character in the whole game when he's in your face even though his M, S and 2H normals don't help him that much in the frame data department.
you don't need to buff his highlow, you don't need to give him more tools, you just need to make his already existing kit actually matter. obviously they're not going to give his grab 4 frames of startup, but even something like 14 frames would make it horrifying and worth replacing a whole ass normal.
@@axlnymous9582 Isn't like 16 frames considered the least amount of frames to be seen as "reactable"? The whole point of grab games in Fighterz is as a pressuring tool to prevent constant jumping or just holding block. If the startup is designed so you can't mash out, then you'd have to jump. There'd have to be a tradeoff outside of low combo potential. It might have to have more end frames for punishing purposes
While tiers mean nothing to me i do say jiren needs some fat buffs
So jirens the worst character in the game
Me: I see my new main 🙂
YES A MAN OF CULTURE
Me too
Ah I see another risen warrior of culture
This is tragic
Jiren needs some serious buffs for season 3. A faster start up on his command grab, armor would be really nice on jiren. That energy counter to actually work where you can't get out of it if you use it.
Idk why Jiren didn't have armor in the first place, when he came out I was baffled he didn't. Dude literally tanks most attacks in the Anime.
@@W1ll88 ye
@@W1ll88 especially since in the anime when Goku fought him with his transformations it had no effect on him at least some sort of armor would've been nice
I wish his heavy was a forward heavy and he just had a normal heavy for a neutral input
That’s what happens when u don’t give him a defined character trait, except that “he’s really strong” just because.
Broly:Sweats profoundly
Maybe this is the developer's channeling their apathy for Jiren like the rest of the fanbase
I like Jiren but he isn't much better than any of the Earthlings in style.
When the only thing that can't beat Jiren is Jiren.
Also you can super dash through the third hit of his auto-combo which doesn't seem bad until you apply on to the list of B.S he already has to deal with.
When you decide to play Jiren:
Your Opponent: "Owari da"
So what your saiyng is that dbz broly is marth while jiren is roy
😂😂😂😂
More like brolly being lucina and jiren being marth
@@Nightwinger5100 who wanna make even be better so i can beat 1000 players ass
If it was smash 4 yeah. This is like Broly being Ultimate Lucina and Jiren being Ultimate Marth
Roy had reverse up special on Jiggs, giving him something resembling a not horrendous matchup. Plus 3 characters definitely worse than him; Pichu, Kirby, and Bowser
Jiren has nothing
I thought that the title said “Why Janemba sucks.” I know, I’m weird.
Lol I thought the same thing
Bruh same.
"You fool, I countered your counter!"
On the brighter side, Dekillsage made a video going over what he thinks are some positives for Jiren
ruclips.net/video/kArRHTr6Jgw/видео.html
Also, as of the UI Goku patch, Jiren's 214X counter losing to armor has been fixed.
Hello, what’s the music for this video? Just wondering.
@@averageguy3661 blacklight babe: ruclips.net/video/j6qUU0PPbjk/видео.html
DBFZ broly theme (obviously)
as for the second video
beyond the dark life: ruclips.net/video/8862r9uvL_w/видео.html
the vampire saga: ruclips.net/video/skKHJptFYSk/видео.html
You should really put in somewhere that the first half of the video is offline only examples. Ain't no one reacting to that online. No chance in hell
@@whYLiE09 already responded to your other comment, but yes people can in fact react to it online
@@axlnymous9582 yeah I just saw a video of pro players not reacting to it so......... false
Jiren's design is bad imo.
He is a character that is build to counter what the opponent does. He has 4 counters (Low, Overhead, DP like, Proyectile) and moves that react to other moves.
Yet, The Reward he gets from them is none considering you predicted a Move before it happened. Vegito has only one counter that has almost all of Jiren's different properties and he gets more reward from it.
But Vegitos can be punished much more severely with his counter the enemy has more time to attack you.
@@datpurplestuff7482 Taking in consideration than Jiren is already punishable if he counters the wrong move, Just because Vegito's counter has more recovery frames doesn't mean it's worse.
In other words, Vegito is a better counter character than Jiren, a Purely based counter character.
Girox 88 believe me dude I know I got 4K matches on Vegito his is far better it can just be punished harder due to recovery frames
@@datpurplestuff7482 I've been playing Jiren and trust me, every time i guess wrong, i get hard punished. And that is if i guess wrong on the attack. If my opponent baits the counter, the punish is worse. And if my counter is success, the reward i get is almost none. Very high risk, very low reward.
When i used to play vegito, i just needed to guess WHEN my opponent decided to attack me and that's it. The reward is not that big either but is still better than Jiren's.
Girox 88 yeah, I feel like the only issue is not only do you have to guess the attack you also gotta guess the type of attack so it’s harder on Jirens end, if they just make his normal counter universal against highs and lows Jiren would be a better character.
Character: * Counters a counter *
Jiren: wait that's illegal
Jiren: you thought you hit me. Now you die
Literally any character: omae wa mou shindeiru
Jiren: NANI?!
The transition between every part is done so well. You’re really good at this. Im subbing
hey do you mind if i use like 2 seconds of this video in a video i am making about how the counter has been changed? with credit given of course.
go ahead, use all you want! you got great editing
yay its bagel
3:35 in case I haven't made my point 😂
Oh, the dark times...
Jiren has risen from the ashes
1:04 it sounds weird but that Hit's attack is considered a punch, not a projectile. Basically if you do 214L and Hit uses that attack, no matter how far you are from Hit, you counter his attack and counter him. Yeah, it's weird.
Ok now I have to try that and see it with my own eyes 😂
@@ningensan8198 do it, I did it on training mode and my mind exploted hahahaha
that's what the video already said
@@axlnymous9582 but you didn't mention that 214L works against that attack Hit has
@@MegaElGris oh whoops
Jiren: strongest mortal in the anime
Jiren in DBFZ: *I'm worse than yamcha*
Yamcha's amazing in this game tho, so it isnt saying much
Funny how Broly was the counter to jiren and can do whatever Jiren could do but better, now it feels like Jiren obliterates Broly
Update on 214S "Doesn't it beat assists?":
ruclips.net/video/O_DYHHJ3oTo/видео.html
Love this four minutes Jiren beatdown
What's the music used in the video?
@@navadax4541 already answered this in another comment but i'll throw them here as well
blacklight babe: ruclips.net/video/j6qUU0PPbjk/видео.html
DBFZ broly theme (obviously)
as for the second video
beyond the dark life: ruclips.net/video/8862r9uvL_w/видео.html
the vampire saga: ruclips.net/video/skKHJptFYSk/видео.html
Cant literally anyone just vanish out of it
@@kyeblade06 jiren can retaliate with another vanish if you do
Ok look if Kid Buu can dodge his counter then there is a problem. Same with Gotenks(he is really good but 2 kids$. Also Videl and Yamcha?! Yup I’m sorry Jiren. You can’t recover from that
I was going to comment on the video before actually watching it. I was going to exclaiming something like it’s probably Beerus that’s actually a worse character. After watching this four-minute video, this is all the proof I need that you are 100% correct
OUTDATED AND NOW HES GOOD!!!
These type of videos remind me of the "melee is broken" videos. PLS keep it up bro they're great :>
Jiren: *Breathes*
Cooler: "TIGER KNEE!"
Jiren: *exists*
Krillin: you you have chosen rock
-Sucks in this game
-Sucks in background story
-Sucks in design
-Literally Sucks
JIREN SUCKS IN ALL WAYS !!!
Korean soundtrack of Guilty Gear XX in the background? I see you're a man of culture
This just hurts
Fantastic video btw! Really comprehensive and compact! I wasn't aware of HOW bad Jiren actually is.
If I see one more insult the strongest warrior in the tournament of power I gonna lose it....
Pls buff jiren arcs 😭
Ya gotta appreciate the man putting in all this effort to put this together and highlighting a terrible character. You just got a sub.
I’m betting 20 Kuwaiti dinars that they saw this video.
Jiren: Strength is everything
Also Jiren:
Wait so the Great Saiyaman Gohan counts as a WHOLE PROJECTILE?!
Vantastic Jackson yes
Vantastic Jackson he’s a basic key blast
In hindsight (and in a reality ensues sort of way), this actually makes sense. As broken as Jiren was in the show, he was only really that way thanks to his *Preposterously* high power level. As far as fighting skills go, he doesn't really stand out much compared to the other fighters. Just about every other major character in the series has studied and practiced martial arts their whole lives, and have their own style dedicated to what they've learned. Jiren......, despite his rep, doesn't really have a given style (if he even studies martial arts at all). From what we saw of him in the show, he mostly just relied on his overwhelming raw power to plow through everything in sight.
And in a fighting game where everyone is now placed on equal footing, and skill actually now plays a key factor in everything, suddenly.......Jiren's flaws seem a lot more evident.
I think the same went for Kefla, and her astoundingly boring kit.
When the strongest canon character in the show is "ass"-tier in the game...
It's all he deserves :O
Well he ain't the strongest... Broly Whis and all the angels stronger
@@buddharocks492 Broly's debatable, but the angels are unarguable. And Jiren's ass in DBFZ either way.
Bro both gogeta and vegito are leagues ahead of jiren.
Wasn't aware of this being a DBZF video at 1st. Was just gonna come in here and agree to whatever about DBS but then I saw that this was about fighters.
Still have the same opinion.
u know jiren is trash when krilin can dodge his attack
1st song name is Blacklight Babe, it's from Guilty Gear XX #Reload Korean OST
DPs don’t count man there’s literally a frame meant for you to be open
still plenty of stuff that beats jiren any way. for reasons beyond me, jiren's counter impact actually hits on frame 5, not frame 1, and the freeze lets you buffer hits.
DPs most certainly count for that reason, attempting to hit someone who has a DP will always result in you dying. his counter should not be vulnerable.
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also you can literally jump out of it, i didn't even know this
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Axlnymous I always vanish when jiren counter me, that move is wack 😂 😂
I mean you can just throw a raw lv3 most of the cast can do it, even base goku's spirit bomb
lmao, no way they intended his projectile counter to be this bad, he'll probably get fixed if arcsys has any sense, probably.
I'm a Jiren Main and U earn my subscription bro!
3:38
Goku says the N-Word.
What's the music's name? is so good
Someone's getting shot if you dont put songs in description.
I once had a friend tell me Hit is worse than Jiren in Fighterz, and honestly, I worry about him sometimes.
maybe your friend is not that good at fighterz ?
Bruh Hit is freaking OP in this game. What is he talking about
You can do the physical counter on hits line attack though lol, looks funny cause hit just goes wherever jiren is. That's why the projectile counter doesnt work.
This.... Is poetic justice
Arc sys plz buff jiren 😢
Thank you this was very satisfying
Oh god it is really outdated
Is the song in the beginning an ost of this game?
Damn how ironic. The strongest character in anime being the worst in the game lol
Every character can just: You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting!
If the move was a confirmed auto-hit then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. Heck it would be used more if that was the case.
Even with all these flaws I'm still going to play my boy Jiren. I've seen pros work with this character well like dogura and kanzunoko. (obviously I'll never be good as them though.) but who knows maybe I love Jiren so much in dragon ball i don't want to stop playing the character no matter how many flaws he has in the gameplay. His Ki counter, grab, and low and medium counter need a buff though.
godspeed
Jiren is useless.
Of course he'll be useless until he gets a buff, actually unless they fail to buff him, he'll still be useless
While I admit the counter isnt always a good idea, his infinity rush in block strings is meant to be covered by an assist like kid Buu or yamcha. Any long assist or fast assist can help fix the issues with infinity rush. I put jiren on a team with kid Buu and Rosé and went 5 to 0 on a team of a guy who was 3 ranks above me. It was hard but doable
And I'm not good at fighterz whatever. I have one good combo and it takes all of my meter and sparking for 96% using DBS broly and Gogeta
In Anime : God
In Game : ahhh i have no regret
Here are my suggestions for Jiren buff. I am currently playing Jiren and Broly regularly to prove Jiren isnt that bad and it's been going well. I am ranked SSJ Rose and I always have been, I dont play Ranked as much because its either rage quitters or higher tier people make it boring because they only play the EVO teams. I want to play variety.
Jiren Buffs:
Make his Ki Blast counter like Janemba's
Shorten the frames on his Standing H
Faster L or Crouching L (doubt it will happen, but I think this will help him with people who wake up and mash L).
Down,Forward, Ki needs to have its ranged extended slightly.
Ki Blast should be as strong beam like Gogeta and Broly Super.
I feel these changes will put him a little more in line with Broly. Jiren kit is there it's just needs a slight buff. It's like they had the intention of him dominating at Neutral and being a little big boi pressure up close but...they failed on his Neutral and his upclose game is solid, but the faster standing H would put him in Broly tier for grab mix ups.
1:24 LMFAOOOOOOOO
Oh boy the buffs awaiting this man...
What does this have to do with Broly. Broly is a good character
broly highlights a particular problem with jiren, being his counter not activating while the opponent is armored.
broly also highlights how bad jiren's 214S is, since broly can superdash to beat it and continue zoning out jiren
broly has better normals than jiren, longer range, safer on block, armor, etc. which lets him play somewhat passive/aggressively as jiren, or "counterbased" by using armor to stuff a hit and then smack the opponent
broly's grab is better
the matchup is abysmal for jiren, and as stated in the video, broly does everything that jiren does except better. it's so bad that broly outright shuts jiren down.
outside of broly's 236X series which is totally different (more equivalent to jiren's 236S), broly and jiren have the same anti-projectile idea on their 214S, both enjoy a counter game, and both are built to control the space as much as possible (jiren's j.S is actually good when used alongside 236X to catch superdash, giving him at least an okay zoning game) and bully the opponent.
it highlights jiren's flaws much more, hence why it's included. broly is legitimately just jiren but bigger and much better in terms of playstyle.
jiren is not so bad that you're guaranteed to lose if you use him, however he is easily the worst character. krillin's problem is his assist, however krillin has better mixups, better pressure, better specials, better space control (thanks to a very good beam) and lots of tricky nonsense, including season 1 tier oki off of level 3 when set up properly. i do not believe that krillin is the worst character as a result, even with his below average normals.
buff this alien, make all of his stuff better.
@@axlnymous9582 so basically ENTER CHADLY EXIT JOBREN?
Using jiren ki counter vs assist is actually pretty nice, gives him i frames similar to videl dodge that he can always act out of, and even call assists while in i frames.
from my testing with vegeta assist, he isn't able to do much other than block due to recovery frames. though the short invuln can certainly allow for some cheeky reversals if the opponent doesn't respond properly.
i imagine it's the same for yamcha's and kid buu's, assuming those are even grabbed by 214S.
@@axlnymous9582 I'm pretty sure only projectiles are counted, even for assists. I don't get why they made Jiren's so bad yet they gave Janemba pretty much what this should've been months after
@@axlnymous9582 vegeta assist (due to the small gap between the hits) is the worst one for him to counter, but against beams it works insanely well.
Bruh I got Jiren and Janemba on PC. Thing is, I didn’t even pay for them 😂😂😂
0:00 to 2:32 What’s the name of this music?
Video should have been called “why I want to deep throat Broly” 😂 I’ll smash any Broly player with Jiren #owarida
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I'm not too knowledgable on frame data or anything like that, but I think a huge buff that'd be in character is some heavy super armor. Just have a majority of his attacks plow through other attacks with huge priority, like anything that isn't a super just be ignored until the attack goes out. Heck, give him a watered down UI Goku's forward walk, where he takes the damage, but it doesn't knock him back. If he has huge start up times, he should ignore everything to get there and only be punished if he misses.
First OST is Blacklight Babe from Guilty Gear Korean OST. It's I-No theme
EDIT: Idk about the second one
There.
instant like for the choice of music
The reason why Jiren sucks....
_It was DRAGONS!_
Who's here after the buffs?