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Pacey loses it at the prom..Joey is crushed
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2008
- Okay so I have a love/hate thing with Promicide. On the one hand I love that Pacey finally lets out all of his frustrations (and looks so hot doing it) and tells Joey how he is feeling, but on the other hand he was so wrong to do it in the middle of the dance floor. Not many girls would ever forgive such humiliation.
And I totally believe that Joey never did completely forgive him until the end of the show. A part of her always remembered how badly he hurt her, and it colored how she saw him. Although, I 100 percent believe that if Pacey had at any time during the end of season 4 asked Joey to take him back, she would have without hesitation. (Check out Separation Anxiety for proof.)
Onto the Ooompa Loompa (lol) I hated how he swooped in to Joey's rescue. Talk about chasing sloppy seconds...he totally ignored his date, Gretchen.
But back to Pacey...I hold a very unpopular opinion, but I think he was completely justified in his rant. It had been a tough year for him...doing double duty at school, not getting into college, still trying to be the man he believed Joey deserved (and wanted..aka Dawson), oh and the little knowledge about the LIE.
Yep, Joey Potter crushed him when she lied to Dawson about their night at the ski lodge. Imagine one of the best nights of your life as a couple, totally downplayed and dismissed by the woman you love. So sad. I just want to give Pacey a hug in that scene. Where is Andie when you need her?
Great performance Joshua Jackson! His voice, his face, his everything- just the way it's supposed to be done. Best actor in this show!
best actress katie ... the break up makes me cry so hard ..i just pity poor joey ..my heart cried for her .. the sadest of joey's lteen age years..and she still is unhapoy is her first year in College ..only Audry help her..when in season 6 pacey wanted to have second chance with joey ..she refused and go back to Eddie.. Pacey realized joey never seriously involved with anyone by pushing them to make them a better men ..
His insecurities are perfectly understandable though. His horrible family (especially his dad) makes him feel like trash, Dawson always achieves more than Pacey ever could, and Joey is not only incredibly intelligent, but also puts Dawson's feelings above Pacey's. That kind of emotional damage (most of which has been going on since his childhood) has to take a toll on a person.
@ prettymonsterofevil That's exactly what I have been saying to all the Pacey fans. It is as if they can only find fault in Dawson, but not in Pacey. Dawson being there for Joey for 15 years of her life, being there when she broke her left arm, and being there when her mom died means nothing to Pacey fans. But Pacey buying Joey a wall means everything for Pacey fans. The fact is that most Pacey fans are females and so for most females, when a bad boy like Pacey makes mistakes and then decides to become a good guy, he is forgiven without doubt. But when a nice guy like Dawson makes mistakes and decides to correct his mistakes, then he still continues to be seen as an immature loser crybaby no matter how much he proves to be the good guy.
lexi219 no pacey problems is his owns and you can't expect an 1i year old to trust so.eone who she just wont trust ,pacey kinda bring it all on himself really.
dawson lost far more then pacey by the end, and somehow he the bad guy.
Thats his fault though. He actually has potential to be smart which was proven when Andie tutored him and he slept with a teacher as a minor. Istg people need to stop pittying him
Joey was intelligent???
Joshua killed this scene so hard, and Katie's reaction was so perfect.
yep! I love Pacey - but when I see this part I just hate him violently.
He was yelling at my girl!! LOL
Pacey said he feels like nothing, like an idiot or garbage when he is with her. I know how that feels in a relationship. It is like death. He said exactly the right words so many of us haven't. It feels good to hear.
WakingCobain sorry to hear that. True love is nothing like that. I hope you found, the one.
He was feeling guilty, unworthy and inferior, because he finally had the one thing that he wanted but never actually believed he could have(she gave him her heart and soul 100%) but he couldn't trust it especially after she lied to dawson about their night together at the cabin and then dawson was also able to pay for her college tuition when he couldn't! So the only thing that he knew to do was to push her away and self sabotage his relationship with her because he'd never had anyone believe in him the way she did that he loved as much as he loved her and it terrified him because he didn't believe he was worthy of her or could measure up and that he would hold her back! As crazy as and horrible as it was to do he actually was selfless and did it from a place of love because he thought he was setting her free and not holding her back because he thought he was a looser(because of his parents and family check out his birthday season 4) and he knew she wanted and needed to move on to pursue her dreams and find her way out of capeside, if she'd stayed with him he felt she would have been settling and never do what her heart and dreams were! Although he was in many ways way to cold, mean and hurt her deeply he knew her well enough to know she wouldn't have listened and would never have let him go so he let go of her(or made it seem like he did) in a way that was too painful for her to turn a blind eye to and then she was able to let go(or made it seem like she did) however it was never really over it was always under the surface but there was so much pain and fear she never gave in until she lost someone whom they both loved and she was finally able to open her heart again and take the chance to make the choice and stop running!
I’ve never wanted to give someone a hug more. Pacey just gets me every-time
What part aren't you guys getting? It was never about Joey, Pacey had these deep insecurities with himself for a long time, compliments of his family doing emotional damage to him. It wasn't just about Joey, he didn't think he was worthy of having Joey. His insecurities were building all season.
Thats his fault though. He actually has potential to be smart which was proven when Andie tutored him and he slept with a teacher as a minor. Istg people need to stop pittying him
Impressive and amazing acting there. Pacey is so believable so good in this scene it's amazing. And btw scenes like these are what made dawson creek so unique, some amazing writing and drama could be created simply. No need for "you cheated on me", "i'm pregnant turns out you're not the father" bla bla bla to create good drama. Just genuine emotions coming out of good actors. I miss that.
Exactly!!
i think it was the fact that he never got over joey needing "permission" from dawson to date him. he has a major superiority complex.
Don't you mean inferiority complex?
i mean i wouldn't either, if any guy told me that it was okay to date them i would punch them
This scene is so heartbreaking.. It gets me everytime!
Personally I could never watch this scene straight through
Best. Rant. Ever.
This break up gives me the same feeling i get whenever I watch Ross and Rachel's break up it just brings tears to my eyes
The acting in this scene was so excellent from Pacey 's blow up to Joey's shocked, hurt, then calm pissed off facial expressions! He didn't have to embarrass her but everything he said was true. She was always partial with him because of that foods Dawson. Dawson wanted her to be perfect and never treated her right so I don't get what she saw in him. Pacey was her ride or die!
dawson never wanted her to be perfect,
Damn his acting was on another level, I felt his pain in this scene entirely.🙏🏾
Joshua Jackson’s amazing in this scene!!!!! Kills it!
Pacey had always that sort of distrust. He always had that in the back of his head, that he couldn't compete with Dawson. That she would never love him as much as she did Dawson.
I think the important thing is not to dwell on the fact that Joey and Pacey did have these problems, but that they were both young at the time and that you change a lot when you grow up. Most importantly, you should be paying attention to the fact that they were able to fix and grow past these problems.
Joshua did nail this scene I know Pacey loves Joey so much I believe he was going though a lot yes also insecure so deep down inside the pain was killing Pacey it was hard to see Pacey struggle.
great acting
While this is indeed a powerful scene with incredible acting, there's one small thing that has always bothered me about this scene...what kinda DJ cuts the music at the prom to listen to an argument??? Lol That would never happen in real life!
Lol right
I bet the dj is like yes one more fight with these guys
So annoying when they do that in shows.
At that moment...
Pacey realized...
That he really screwed up.
The discussions you are all having about this show just prove how amazing it really is.
Damn you can feel Joey's pain by just looking at her face
Great acting by Joshua Jackson 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Best acting I've seen from Joshua Jackson
What's even more special is the fact that the people in the background are still swaying to the music that isn't there anymore.
The lust of an affair is gone and your left to realize you are not her soulmate lol
From a writers standpoint, this relationship couldn't last this early, especially only at season 4. They're 18, only basically starting their life and Pacey and Joey still have to figure out who they are. There is a reason why I skip season 4 and go to season 6 episode 14 and watch from there.
Pacey and Joey had a lot to figure out. Pacey was on a different path to everyone else, he needed to learn that that was okay, that he would be fine. Joey had no idea what she wanted.
I think where the writers messed up was that they wanted Joey/Dawson to work too much. I get the whole soul mate thing, but it was so unrealistic. All the reasons Joey fell for Dawson were before the pilot episode aired, and when we meet Dawson he is so neurotic and whiny and doesnt know what he wants...etc. It was a turn off.
And Pacey was perfect for Joey especially in season 3. He cared a hell of a lot more about Joey than Dawson did. Dawson was way too selfish and self involved, whereas Pacey legitimately cared and tried to make Joey happy.
Season four they turned him into someone else, right from the first episode. All the fun, cool things we grew to love about Pacey dissipated beneath a murky, jealous-ridden insecurity. Joey, on the other hand, never let go of Dawson. That did not help matters.
So where was Pacey when Joey broke her arm or her mom died? He was nowhere around her. Instead it was Dawson who was with her, always caring for her.
Aotea McCann it's not real life
Aotea McCann Very well said!
@@TheGuyNobodyReallyLikesI agree. Dawson always took cared Joey. Season 2 . He cared Joey so much. And Dawson knew that he wanted Joey. Joey let Dawson by Jack. And Dawson continued to love her... The season 2 final Joey broke up with Dawson. But Dawson was the only that knew what wanted.
@ Artenzias That's right. Even Joey's father told her that Dawson loves her. Unfortunately Pacey fans don't get this. They can't see anything beyond whatever little things Pacey did for Joey. It is like, Pacey shows up for one or two years and does a bit of this and that and says a few things to her, and then he becomes a God who somehow has cared a lot more for Joey than Dawson ever did. Pacey fans are the people who completely ignore what Dawson did for Joey. It doesn't matter if Dawson was there for Joey for 15+ years and did everything for her. But if Pacey buys Joey a wall, then somehow Pacey is the guy who cares about Joey a lot more than Dawson does. It is like saying that for your entire life your mom or dad cared for you and did everything, but then as soon as you get married and your husband/wife does a little bit of things for you, your husband/wife is the one who cares about you more than your parents ever did and that your parents mean nothing. Pacey is a little boy who has no responsibility at all. That's why his own family doesn't want him either. Dawson even lost his love (Joey) just to protect her from her dad's drug dealing thugs. That is the amount of sacrifice Dawson made for Joey. Pacey was stupid enough to ignore the weather warning and go out to sea and about to drown, and then finally Dawson comes and saves him. But Pacey doesn't show the responsibility of repaying Mr. Brooks. Instead Dawson is the one repaying Mr. Brooks all alone and clearing the mess that Pacey made - none of which Dawson was responsible for in the first place.
Joshua is AMAZING in this scene!!! He kills it!!!
This scene is why I never thought Pacey and Joey should have been end game. I felt Pacey never thought he was good enough for Joey and maybe part of it was because he knew he could never compete with Dawson and Joey's relationship or felt guilty about being with her when he knew their history better than anybody, he was Dawson best friend and grew up with them. He just never seemed happy with her. I liked him with Andy and even Audrey. Amazing acting by Joshua.
Here is what imo lead to this explosion. Now, granted it is not cool or okay that Pacey exploded all over Joey ,and at prom no less it was doomed from the beginning. Season 3 the very end Joey asked both Pacey and Dawson not to make her choose between them. She couldn't choose because she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. Pacey has played secod fiddle to Dawson even before he and Joey were official. Joey was going to let Pacey sail off and away but Dawson "gave her permission to go." I can't stand this about joey ,she always needs Dawson's permission to take big steps in her life. Which brings me to the next point ... In their entire relationship Joey was looking for Dawson to approve of her relationship with Pacey. Pacey bought her a wall, gave her a romantic summer sailing adventure, was the perfect supportive boyfriend, and you'd think the way he doted on Joey Dawson would be far from her mind. Girl your boyfriend is the perfect balance between intellectual and bad boy with a heart of gold. Poor Pacey man . What else could he possibly do ? When you're with someone you claim to love who makes you the center of their world and you still care that Dawson is talking, kissing, and in a relationship with someone else your damaging your boyfriend's ego. She was always selfish in their relationship. She put off sleeping with Pacey because she always thought her first time would be with Dawson?! Why are you with Pacey? That's hurtful to your boyfriend who loves you more than anything. Joey never chose Pacey , but it was more like Dawson begrudgingly gave her permission to not be with him and Joey was apologizing to Dawson for being with Pacey her entire relationship with Pacey. That sucks for Pacey. What truly marked the end of Pacey and Joey in season 4 I feel was when Pacey finds out from his sister gretchen that Joey Potter lied to Dawson about sleeping with Pacey. If that does bring all the insecurities to head in that relationship then Pacey was a Saint up until this happened. It's like Joey basically is saying to Pacey by lying to Dawson about having sex with Pacey: I'm sorry you weren't my first Dawson, in my heart I really thought it would be you and I'm ashamed to tell you that I actually liked that it was pacey. To Pacey it seemed like she was ashamed that he was her first and not Dawson . Talk about ego killer. She apologizes to Dawson for lying to him about it but doesn't apologize to Pacey for it really. I mean it wasn't any of Dawson's business if they slept together so if he was butt hurt about it too bad honestly he has no say. However that lie hurt Pacey the most and was the beginning of the end of Pacey and Joey. They always try to make Joey perfect or a victim caught in between. She never took responsibility for how some of her decision effected the three of them. In conclusion I feel like in real life maybe Eddy was the perfect person for her to end up with because he really was like a perfect mix between Dawson and Pacey. But since this is TV show I'm glad she ended up with Pacey.
Ebony Phillips
Thank you. Well said..
This needs more likes and appreciation , well framed *-*
@Bob Kosta you guys realize this is a T.V. show right
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I don’t think a single person on this show deserved Pacey, except maybe Andie. I DO ship PJo overall, and especially against DJ, but this absolutely pull the nail in the coffin on their high school relationship in my opinion. How could Pacey NOT be hurt that she chose to spare Dawson’s feelings over his own. Pacey was not a perfect person, but he was damn near a perfect boyfriend.
Omg Joshua Jackson rocked that scene, he’s such a wonderful actor, I think we all felt him.
Pacey should have told her this when they where alone I am surprised Joey was not permanently scarred by this but I guess some of us handle this stuff better then others.
She was scarred. She couldn't really let anyone healthy back into her life and it took 7 years after that moment before she was able to finally allow herself to have a full fledged romantic relationship with Pacey again.
You were never good enough Pacey... have not forgotten this scene all these years later..
bad. Even in he finale he was complaining about how he wish he had more. How his diner wasn't as great as he wanted it to be. How he wasn't as great as he wanted to be, and Joey told him he needs to believe in himself more. She always saw it, Pacey's biggest problem was himself.
I agree. Gretchen said it best "pacey is great with everyone else. Problem is pacey can't take care of pacey"
Yes! Yes! This is correct. Those who can’t save themselves save other people. When they realize that person can stand on their own and save themselves, they no longer feel loved or needed... in turn turns them into this...
First time I saw this scene I cringed so hard and ran out the room. Then came back to yell at the screen that she should run out the room!😂😂😂 and we’re here again in 2020. Thanks Corona!
Pacey went John Cena promo on Joey and I love it! Easily one of my favorite scenes of the entire show.
If by John Cena you mean he said the same ol redundant shit that people overrate, then yeah he did. lol
That's why I always say that Pacey is the John Cena of Dawson's Creek. Everything, including Joey, has to be handed down to Pacey.
Heartbreaking... makes me so sad.
Damn. Pacey tore that scene up. Forgot that this show had its moments of genius.
Amazing acting. Joshua rocks!
Only McPhee make Pacey feel better
She loved him in away she would never love anyone else, yet she didn't trust him in the same aspect! Pacey always felt used and worthless with Joey! It was heartbreaking to watch her emasculate this man the way she did when she lied to Dawson about them. Did Pacey deserve better? HELL YES! But he loved her, so really all we could do was root for them because he did.... TEAM PACEY all the way!
1985tilly yet whenever Joey was with pacey she always had to limit herself under him because if she out did him in anything he would feel like he was nothing and Joey had no problem doing that role and it still pissed pacey off.realistically it is all his fault and he shouldn't blame Joey for his own flaws and insecurities.
Pacey was great at being a teen but not so great at being a young adult. An argument can be made that he had it rough but a lot of people had it rough & make a success of themselves. Joey for instance. Joey reminds him of the potential he could have had but didn’t. Joey is the girl they all talk about behind her back-felon Dad, no money, sister with a baby, etc. Joey worked through that & made something of herself. Pacey had a bad home life too but in a different way. The difference is Pacey didn’t make the best of a bad situation. He sorta just settled for his mediocrity.
@@bfettrulez6734 you are forgetting one thing. Joey had people who loved her and built her up despite the hard times. Pacey had literally no one. Dawson tried from time to time, but he would still put pacey down. Having a support system to love you when life is hell makes all the difference.
@@kw9369 very true. You can be the healthiest guy in the world but if you don’t have the will to live can make all the difference
There a lot time Dawson help Pacey. But Pacey was always jealous of Dawson.
best scene in Dawson's Creek ... Pacey, we love you, we felt your pain! :)
But Joey didn't deserve that at all
This scene right here is EXACTLY why they were never meant to be.
I don’t blame Pacey for blowing up on Joey for this. It’s kinda hard not to be jealous when he saw her dancing with Dawson. He knew that Joey was always gonna have a piece of her heart for Dawson. He knew that they had something he would never be able to complete with. He knew that she wasn’t fully over Dawson. He was incredibly insecure. His problems with his family. And Joey should have been more understanding to how he felt. Pacey is honestly the best character on here and Joey did not deserve him.
joey was far to understand, hell she did not even spend a lot of tiem with dawson becouse pacey so jealous,
PACEY know going in how close joey is to dawson HE should have been able to deal.
This is a great scene,and Joey deserved to her this,she always thought about her in the relationship and never him,she never saw that he was so insecure,that he always thought that he was a loser. And yes I don't mind that he embarrassed her because I believe that in that moment he only saw her but in that moment she saw everyone but him
+Angie Smith What a load of shit, Joey was nothing but supportive to Pacey the entire relationship. He was abusive and surly through a lot of it and here humiliates her in front of everyone. I must have remembered the show differently because I used to love Pacey but on my rewatch I'm finding him complete trash. It's not Joey's fault he is insecure and never took his education seriously while she worked her ass off.
@ Angie Smith Oh yes, Pacey will never be at fault. All that while everyone was blaming Andie for cheating on Pacey. Then everyone was blaming Dawson for being jealous and a crybaby. Then everyone blamed Pacey's family for thinking of him as a failure. And now everyone is blaming Joey for always thinking about herself. The fact is, Pacey is the one that is the problem. He had all those problems from day one, yet he continues to blame everyone else for it. When there are so many people who see Pacey as a failure, then it can't be them who are at fault. Instead Pacey is at fault.
@@TheGuyNobodyReallyLikes The writers screwed dawsons character when he went to philly and came back they should have explored him and eve. That would have made Dawsons exciting side come out. Him and eve in the bathroom and joey all upset. The writers made dawson into a simp. He needed to get away from joey as he could. I loved when he kicked the ladder off of his roof that should have been the end of their friendship for a while.
Not Joey's fault at all
PJ & Dances/Proms do not go together. lol
S3: Dawson was in the way.
S4: Pacey's issues
S6: Joey went back to Eddie
S6: Get's in the zone, then poor Jen collapses.
He’s like Heathcliff. He needed to go out there and prove himself, just not in an evil, vindictive, vengeful way. Like Catherine when life got more serious and demanding Joey would have been unsatisfied with his insecurities. It’s neither of their faults. They just young.
Joshua is such a good actor
i get that joey wasnt fair to pacey a lot of the time when it came to dawson. and i get that pacey was hurt & sometimes those feelings of anger just build up but he did not have the right to humiliate her like that, especially at the PROM. i feel so horrible for joey here.
@raphael vitton How so?
@raphael vitton You are a horrible person.
I hated this episode because it broke up Pace and Jo.
I love Joey and Pacey together. When they were together, they knew they wanted to be together (not like Dawson and Joey, who, when together, always struggled admitting their feelings).
I use to think Pacey and Andy were the perfect couple until Andy comes back from the mental hospital and says she slept with another guy. She became a whole new person and that totally ruined my liking her.
I totally disagree and am glad the majority of DC fans do as well. His problems were with how he felt about himself, and he could blame her all he wanted to but it was him making himself feel bad, not her. She constantly reassured him through their relationship that he was more than what he thought he was. That he wasn't a failure but he couldn't believe it and it had nothing to do with her, that was his prerogative. What was she supposed to do stop striving and being successful because he felt
TheMess OfJess I agree with you 💯that's exactly how I saw it as well! 😍
TheMess OfJess What it all boiled down to was that Pacey felt she deserved better than him like he told her after the blow up. The next episode he apologized for the shit he said at Prom so why fans still hold on to what he said out of months of hating himself is dumb. Once a character expresses that he didn't mean any of it, yes he still said those things but there's really no need to hang on to it when he took those words back. Good lord
but they still bash dawson for a stupid comment he made.
@@LesEXO2012 Bruh Pacey fans hold on to comments that Dawson made and wasnt even bad compared to Pacey's
Andie made him feel like he had a purpose.
Because she had an issue that was outside of him. Psychiatric help he can handle. It wasn't about him
Joey made him feel like he had a purpose too. You're trying to blur the lines make Andie seem to look like a better match for him. Truth is both Andie and Joey were both intellectually smarter than Pacey. The difference between the girls was, Andie accepted Pacey for his flaws and let him be him. He never had that before. And was truly happy for the first time since his childhood. Joey accepted Pacey, but also saw his potential. Unlike Andie she pushed him to become better. He was okay with it for the most part. Because she made him believe in himself for a time. But the expectations were continuous, and he mentally didnt know how to handle that.
@@RaymondStarkes well said! 💯
I love this scene for many reasons, what I am about to say, don't get me wrong, because I ADORE all things P/J! One of the reasons being, Joey treated Pacey like crap throughout this season, she lied to Dawson about sleeping with Pacey, AFTER telling Pacey she would tell Dawson the truth, if he asked. She would run to Dawson anytime their was a crisis, when Pacey should have been her shoulder. She was HORRIBLE to him! (continue)
you are so right! Damn! I never liked Joey or Dawson, they deserved each other, they are both needy, dramatic, nerd, and pathetic.
It's none of Dawson's business whether she slept with Pacey
I waited all season to see these two break it off. Pacey and Joey were not a perfect couple, because pacey was an asshole and he didn’t deserve her to begin with.
Poor Joey, this wasn't her fault, he took it out on the wrong person. Also, Katie's acting was so good here
Man that is an awesome scene!
I never like Joey with Pacey... Pacey needed someone else.
Joey and Dawson and their bond was the best thing on the show.
damn.. what an amazing scene!!!!!
Can you blame him though? Every time Joey had to choose between Pacey and Dawson she chose Dawson. EVERY TIME. He always need validation because she was shifty. He gave her everything but i never felt like she loved him as he deserved to be loved. He was constantly proving himself to her, but he never made her do the same for him.(which is on him) And then with all the other stuff, the lie, his grades, the college thing he just cracked because he was left with nothing. It's sad.
Pacey is really my fave actor...
I actually agree with you. Joey can be a bitch sometimes and i totally feel for Pacey in this scene. Dawson was a complete idiot and joey kept going back to him. I would be pissed as well.
Yet another Dawson hater lmao
All the excuses for Pacey in 54321....smh excuses are for the weak Pacey yelling at Joey was dishonorable Dawson should’ve fired him up for talking to his lady in that manner!!
Then the Pacey lovers would have tried to destroy Dawson. The Pacey fans blame Dawson for everything.
yep dawson get blame for everything, how many time did pacey tell joey you would not do this for dawson, he even used that for sex, saying did you wish it was dawson.
BUT dawson the bad guy.
God I wish I could blow up like this sometimes. But when I get that heated and I really want to give it to the person making me feel that way....I can't even think of a word to say. Great Job of acting from Joshua...something tells me he was getting out a little emotion he didn't get out when those two broke up in real life.
I don't know why they did this to Pacey, like this is legit like a scenario that would escalate to domestic violence - I don't know why they would make Pacey seem like he is capable of that, because in this scene where he cannot control his anger and he takes out all HIS failures on his gf...he seems like an abuser. This is the kind of relationship that would escalate to the man becoming violent and saying things like 'Oh you made me feel this way so I had to do that, it's your fault'. After this I could never ship Joey/Pacey, after seeing how easily he would snap. Joey was nothing but supportive to him in the entire relationship and he was abusive and gross. I prefer Dawson/Joey and Pacey/Andy. I will say that this horrible angry Pacey does not gel with the Pacey in the rest of the show so yeah, I find it confusing.
Pacey was at rock bottom and then he went ahead and dug himself a grave.
Joshua Jackson's passion😍😍😍
I don't know what Pacey's problem was, but he didn't have to blow up at Joey about it in front of all those people!!!
Now Joey knows how she makes Dawson feel
No, Dawson's terrible, Joey is amazing
I think it’s crazy that Dawson doesn’t say anything here
Daaaaaaaaaammmmmm he went bananas!!!
Lol!!
I think they needed to break up, but I think the show handled them completely wrong afterwards. Pacey needed to grow up and Joey needed to stop relying on approval from Dawson to do make herself happy. I feel like over the summer between season 4 - 5 the two of them could have worked on those things and rekindled what they had but im a more mature way
The writers should have let dawson live in philly with his mother and come back with a tougher edge. The writers let joey get away with murder on dawson.
Agreed! 💯
im not a fan of dawson the charactor the only time i liked him was wen he was goin out with jen in the last season,im so glad that pacey and joey ended up 2gether and i liked the fact that they kept them apart for a while because i think most ppl knew that they would find eachother agian i love the fac that there feelings hadnt change in the end even though they hadnt been 2gether for such a long time
best couple eva!!
@LeopoldStotchRules Dude, Season 3 was probably the best season of Dawson's Creek, simply because of the Pacey/Joey dynamic. If you watched, you'd realize she made the absolute right choice in the end. Pacey > Dawson, all the way.
@Ree4Quee I am trying to imagine if anyone, adult or teen, would have had the presence of mind and courage to try to stop the meltdown as it was happening. I can't help but wonder if Dawson was secretly relieved that it was going down because it would make him the most important person in Joey's life again. At the same time, I think it would have been asking a lot of him to rescue the friends whose relationship turned his world upside down just a year ago.
if you watch dawson standing there to make sure it does not get worse, BUT if he help both would not like it.
re-watching this on HULU and when I came to this part, it made me mad! Pacey always has something to complain about ... always something to question ... he wanted to make this prom perfect and yet he said all those things in front of everyone? that was real harsh ... the best part of this clip was joey telling him to go to hell! I admit, Joey has her own issues, but pacey in this scene, he was a complete JERK! The funny thing is, Had JOEY told Pacey she was mad about the Limo and messing up the prom, he would have been pissed then too, so you cant win with pacey! I would NEVER want to be with someone who would yell at me this way - NO WAY
OOO I didn't know Dawson's Creek was on Hulu now. Nice! I don't have to take out my DVDs to watch.
+Karen Courcy Agree with you 100%! I can't understand Pacey/Joey shippers after this scene, he was downright abusive and horrible! Don't understand people that think Dawson is the worst person to ever exist and Pacey is perfect? At least Dawson is not abusive.
Every relationship has its ups and downs. Sometimes y’all yell, sometimes you don’t. I don’t agree with him yelling at her in public like that, and I definitely don’t consider this abusive especially when someone is expressing how they feel. He could’ve did it somewhere where no one was around. Dawson was selfish and childish. When things didn’t go his way, he acted like a kid. Joey and Dawson seem more of best friends than boyfriend/girlfriend. They would’ve never worked out. But, I do agree that Joey always looked for consent with Dawson, which could have definitely made Pacey feel a certain way. Sure, he had his insecurities from his family talking down on him and his best friend feeling like he’s better than him. He could’ve gotten help (something that he has to move on from). He just never thought he was good enough for Joey, he thought she deserved better! I think he spoke highly of Joey, so I don’t see how he was horrible (maybe prom night). Joey had her issues as well, but i think they both complete each other. Pacey just needed to let those insecurities of not being good enough and realize that he is good enough!
@@tierrabell1224 Everyone woman seems to love pacey and hate dawson for what i have no clue. Pace was the bad boy dawson was the nice guy. The writers made dawson look weak by constantly making him cry on the show. They should have ended the joey and dawson friendship after jack. Come on now that would be realistic.
@@donnelladams163 Everyone also conveniently ignores that throughout the entire show Pacey taunts his brother all the time about his sexuality which is really, really icky. I know it's from the 90s but still nasty behaviour.
I can't this episode or season 5 and most of season 6 without getting extremely pissed off. I wonder what would've happen if Kevin Williamson had stay for the entire series. How different it would've been.
If he had stayed pacey and joey would of been a 1/2 a season thing and just a road block to dawson and joey
Pacey - U mad bro?
This is my favorite Pacey and Joey scene! I loved him going off on Joey. Joshua did a fabulous job in this scene!
Such a weird take when Joey hadn't done anything wrong
@@alyanashephard1916 she didn’t but Pacey did lol
Pacey just needs to grow up. He feels like a loser and he took it out on Joey. She didn't do anything. The reason Joey could smile with Dawson is because she felt nothing for him. Fact is love is hard and Pacey was the one not willing to put in the effort. What he did yelling at her in the middle of prom was all on him.
Not Saying They were only 18 and if you watch season 6, he did grow up whereas Dawson never really did except when he was away from Joey. I get Joey didn't deserve that but he was hurt & angry & he kept seeing Dawson and Joey together & Joey telling him that he isn't good enough which is why I completely understand him
I would have to disagree. I believe Pacey grew up towards the end, I believe they all did. Just because Pacey is not Hollywood like Dawson doesn’t mean anything, he has his own restaurant. Yeah, sure he still had that little bad guy in him, but I can definitely say he grew up as they got older.
I completely agree that pacey grew up towards the end, he was finally the man we all knew he could be, he just had to figure it out for himself pretty much like we all do. I would of watched this show even if pacey and Joey were the only characters, they gave this show so much heart and laughter that it has always been my favorite teen soap ever and always will be, I've watched all the seasons dozens of times and prolly won't ever stop. Hate they had to break up but am very happy with the way it ended or i probably would not have watched it again.
Joey actually did feel something for Dawson shes been in love with him since she knew what love even was, he just wasnt her true love like Pacey is
@@loey12886 very true
This was definitely a great scene that needed to happen. It was good to see Pacey finally speak his mind after being a mopey pod person all season. I was initially a fan of P/J with S3. They had great potential and way better chemistry/passion than with Dawson. But in S4 she seemed to bring out the worst in Pacey (unlike Andie) and she was never 100% invested. Not only did she hold out on sex for nearly a year, but then she lied about it afterwards.
He wanned to be the person that he thought she deserved,that really wasn't the best time for theme,he needed to move on a little,get more Knowledge,but he always loved her,and SHE always loved him,even after this scene and the next year true love,in the end,he is ready for her!
still my fave until this time 2020.
Lol god damn 90s dramas, way to embarrass your girl and yourself at the prom haha
Wow ! .they are amazing actors makes ya beleave that it's real. They deserve rewards.
From Autumn To Ashes took me here.
Props to Joshua and the writer for this scene
insecurities get the best of you........
I still hate the writers for this break-up. Season 5 was so lame and 6 was interersting for some Pacey & Joey moments.
I think Dawson's Creek should've have ended from season to 4.
pacey is really really good on this scene ...that's why i hate you for doing this.... and joey's reaction is also really good on this scene ...i love their acting ...they 're both good ..thoug it makes my heart breaks for these cute couple ..this is part of growing up lesson learned feelings set aside for the future ..good luck pacey for sailing job and joey for college degree ...
Man this scene!
lol my question when watching this was he drunk too. Joshua Jackson is a amazing actor in this scene really making this such a real intence believable scene. Great acting, :)
This is exactly why Joey belongs with Dawson and Andie belongs with Pacey. It is entirely Pacey's fault for going after Joey who is totally out of his league. Pacey never felt this way with Andie. This is the only part I liked about the Pacey & Joey relationship. Pacey is a born loser!
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This is pacey fault. Joey adored him.
this just proves how naive you are with relationships, the problem wasn't with joey or the fact that he should have been with angie, the problem was with himself! he was gonna explode even if he was angie or didn't you remember that angie also got accepted at Harvard?! he needed to be alone to work on himself, he needed to grow up by himself and after doing that he would be mature enough to be in a relationship again
@@franciscasilva7832 Plus both were at different stages of their academic lives to. Joey got accepted to University while Pacey was getting reject by every college he applied to while struggling to resit his junior classes on top of his senior year if he had any hole of graduating high school.
Great scene. And great acting from Joshua Jackson. I will always hate the writers that they destroy this relationship which they forced in season 3.
ladymay30 didn't feel forced to me.
Does Dawson's creek remind you of a human vampire diaries?
MissLoopy Lyrics yes it does! I always thought I was crazy because reminded me of TVD and then I found Kevin Williamson created both shows.
Micaela HB03 I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT
Its funny because I watched both shows. They have the exact same writers and you can tell. Lol!
MANY similarities except instead of best friends, Vampire Diaries is brothers.
I watch Dawson's Creek. My brother watched Vampire Diaries. But none of us liked watching the shows that each other liked watching.
Yeah. They're both created by the same guy (Kevin Williamson).
Never seen this show but shit that was deep
" I'll make a note of that."
He was right in everything he said.
+Agent52k He was abusive and gross. Not Joey's fault he never took his education seriously, and then he literally yells at her in front of everyone and treats her like that?! Fuck that shit.
agreed... usually love pacey but he was nasty here.
stipV Since when is an regular argument abusive? He wasn't in her face or pushing her or grabbing her Lmao Stfu with that lame bullshit. That's the dumbest claim I have ever seen on here. He was hurt and if you can't see why after seeing Joey constantly concerned about Dawson the entire season even though Pacey was the best boyfriend to her then I don't know what to tell you. It was an argument. It was shitty he did it in front of everybody but it was a perfect storm of Pacey already having self esteem issues of being told by his father and various people that he wasn't good enough. He fell in love with Joey and what does she do when Dawson finds out about them? She chooses to focus on rebuilding her dysfuctional crap relationship with the actual emotional abuser Dawson, and left Pacey out in the cold until her master told her to go and then when they get back to Capeside after the summer is was all about Dawson again. Why would it bother her that Dawson was moving on with Gretchen? Why would she be concerned with Dawson's feelings about making the decision to sleep with the man she loved after 9 months? Pacey just felt he was not good enough because he already had self worth issues and dealing with Joey's always putting Dawson's feelings above her feelings for Pacey was supposed to do what? I guarantee anybody would be angry and hurt. Abusive my ass
@@LesEXO2012 how in the hell is dawson emotionally abusive. People love pacey so much that they bash dawson. Dawson loved Joey and Pacey was his buddy. Those two fell in love it hurt dawson but he found gretchen and pacey had a problem with that. Pacey screwed pacey not dawson not joey. But this scene was great because it captured the true emotions of both of the characters
@@LesEXO2012 Exactly! Why do so many people find this so hard to understand when it is clearly OBVIOUS he had all the right to feel this way?!
Worst prom ever.
No thanks to Pacey and his inexcusable attitude
In a way, though, no one deserves that kind of public humiliation; they should have handled this in private; but for the drama in the show; it was very well played.
This is so hard to watch! =(