It is unfortunate that people often see a gentle nature as a weak one. The calm and gentle voice is often the one that keeps things from becoming unglued. I appreciate this video for bringing this wonderful Queen to life.
@@Butterflypegasus40 Oh with today's WOKE crap?? NO THANK YOU!! I dont own a TV for 23 years and wont have one in my home. Have NOT gone to a movie house since the 90s, do not stream. It is disgusting!!
My ancestors Cousins to Edward 111 Neville and Parr through out time. Mother Neville father Parr and me Baron Parr after all went to heaven . To find such a woman as this Queen was to this King is harder than finding a needle in a hay stack .They do exist im assured but only knew one and she my sister . So marriage was far away from my thoughts . One day perhaps she will find me
This was a beautiful tale of a woman who was fortunate enough to have found love at a time when most ladies of her station were in want of such a notion of love and respect. She had most certainly led a far more peaceful existence than her mother in law, Isabella of France, had for herself. Thank you for this video with its riveting details and interwoven facts that enhance the mystique of this most fortunate Queen of England. ❤
You're absolutely right that it's (for once!) a medieval tale that really was the noble lady and king falling in love with each other, and that didn't happen too often! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
Well that’s what history says anyway. She was 9 in a paternalistic world. Women bred like livestock, no different than monarchs today.History isn’t romantic.
Phillipa and Edward III dynamic when they first met reminds me a bit of Peter Pan...a Lost Boy who meets Wendy, a girl from a large, stable home. No wonder he adored her, she gave him the warm, loving family his parents ripped away from him and his siblings. Phillipa embodied the saying "succeed quietly, rather than fail loudly". She was truly a gentle person in a harsh ungentle world in real life, and it shows here. Gentle people don't get enough credit...but then again, their the sort of people who don't need credit. That's what makes them special. They are humble, peaceful. Whoever said well behaved women rarely make history clearly didn't study hard enough. Its a shame these two don't have a book series, tv show, or movie about them...because I think a lot of people can relate to Edward III's childhood - how many young men are there from broken homes trying to get on their feet, make their mark on the world, and find a Philippa themselves? And your rendition of Phillipa is lovely, she looks like my cousin in our Italian family, olive skin and lustrous dark hair. She must've stood out in the English court like a drop of summertime.
That's such a good comparison, of Peter Pan and Wendy. You're right, I think Philippa absolutely gave him the love and security he had always probably craved as a child. I would love it if a TV series or film came out about these two - not all historical stories have to be dysfunctional families, and it would be lovely to show how much she really did. And thank you for saying you liked how I tried to show Philippa! 😊 Obviously, everyone probably has a very different idea about what the description of her might mean, but in my head, with her Turkish and Hungarian ancestry and Stapledon's description, this is how I imagine she might have appeared.
I would love to see a show about them. The story of his parents is a full-fledged Hollywood melodrama as juicy as we've ever seen in real history, so obviously they get more attention. Edward III's reign was a remarkable and much-needed period of stability. However Edward and Philippa had to deal with plenty of hardship themselves. They faced the start of the Hundred Years War and the devastation of the Black Death. The strong leadership they provided helped pull England through these hard times. Their story deserves to be told too.
And my 18th great grandmother. I saw her tomb in Westminster several years ago, not knowing at the time that she and her husband were part of my family's history.
I'm descended from the Hanoverians through King George IV. He married Maria who was a Catholic leaving any children they had ineligible to inherit the throne as Royalty were forbidden to marry Catholics. My ancestor King George IV wasn't a good man, the only things I like about him are his parents (King George III & Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz) and his niece (Queen Victoria) King George IV seemed like a nasty man, happy to bankrupt his country. Sometimes I wonder how the United Kingdom would have shaped out had Charlotte, Princess of Wales survived to inherit the throne after the death of her father. The Dukes wouldn't have all rushed to marry and have a legitimate heir, making it unlikely that Queen Victoria would have even been born.
My 18th GG Mother and the founding benefactress of The Queen's College in the University of Oxford ... where I studied for my history degree (only later learning of the connection). The College motto in translation is that Queens shall be your nurses. Seems apt for this lady.
Queen Phillippa also interceded when her husband her uncle, King Phillip VI of France went to war. She was very intelligent and very kind. She also had great diplomacy skills. Unfortunately, the fact that she had so many kids, caused the Wars of the Roses. But King Edward III and Queen Phillippa were a devoted couple and seemed like loving parents.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople she was. My grandma was Italian and had lighter skin. So most people thought my mom got her beautiful complexion from her mom. My dad is Irish and a few other things. I look like him. People who only knew what my mom looked like would ask me if I was adopted. 😂 my mom was also 5'5 and I am 5'9. Dark red hair pale skin and hazel blue green eyes and freckles.
Amazing video. Philippa is one of my favourites medieval queens and I'm glad that Edward III loved her, both were blessed with a lovely marriage. She's a remarkable historical figure indeed who deserves to be remembered. Your recreation honours her beauty and I agree that she possibly may have had a gorgeous olive skin colour considering her ancestry. Thank you for sharing her story 👑
It really is lovely that Edward III and Philippa had a good marriage, and especially that they were reported to love each other! Not often you come across that with medieval kings and queens. 😊 And thank you so much! I know lots of people may have a very different idea about what Philippa looked like, but it makes the most sense to me the way I've tried to show her here.
@@di3486 that's what I meant. Olive skin is still considered white as I'm aware that white comes in shades ranging from pale white. Edit: Anyway, skin colour is not the main concern.
I’ve always admired Phillipa for nobility of character and her kindness to all of her subjects. One story that you didn’t single out when you said that she would beg her husband for clemency for his prisoners was the story of how the burghers (city council members) of Calais had been condemned to death and she knelt in public before her husband to remove the death sentence on these men. In what I’ve read it appears that her husband and sons fell apart after her death. Edward was making a fool of himself and being robbed blind by his mistress Alice Perrers and her friends. On top of that her living sons seemed to be unable to get along with each other. This family strife eventually caused the War of the Roses which pitted the Yorkist members/descendants against the family of John of Gaunt (3rd son) whose son Henry removed his cousin Richard II from the throne while a child of Lionel’s, Phillipa’s second living son would have had more of a right to the throne. Dynastic matters and line(s) of succession certainly tore this family apart.
You're right, I should have included that story in the video. I'm also going to do a video on Alice Perrers, so perhaps I can work it into that one? Philippa was definitely one of the most selfless and noble queens of the medieval period.
What a dynamic , unique and “ refreshing “ experience for the time period. A Queen who had poise , grace and great “ restraint “ in her Station . She knew how to keep her cool .
I enjoyed this fascinating video of Phillipa of Hainault. I had heard of her through Katherine Sywnford but didn't know what her personality was like. She must of been a lovely queen as judging by her sweet nature and the English people loved her. Her marriage was a great success too. What a fascinating personality she possessed.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 It really is a nice change to come across a medieval queen who was so well liked! Especially as lots of European countries typically (in the past) weren't very welcoming to foreign queens, but Philippa seems to have won them over.
Having brown skin simply meant tanned. In ireland in the 40s and 50s when my nan was young people described her as brown or even black. She just had a tan. The moors were largely middle eastern when it comes to ethnicities. There wasnt many non europeans in europe throughout the last thousand years. And when there was it was rare or they were middle eastern. So brown can be taken for an olive complexion.
WHY IS IT SUCH AN ISSUE FOR THIS WOMAN TO BE BLACK, BROWN OR WHATEVER ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE NARRATOR ARE RACIST THATS LIKE 100 YEARS FROM NOW HISTORIANS SAYING MEGHAN MARKLES BLACK MOTHER AND HER BROWN SKIN, JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT SAY HER MOTHER WAS A DESCENDANT OF SLAVES, “OH NO SHE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE BLACK!” MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PEOPLE!!!!! IM SO SICK OF THIS WHITE WASHED HISTORY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE EARTH IS MELENATED NEWS FLASH WHITE PEOPLE “YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!’n”
WHY IS IT SUCH AN ISSUE FOR THIS WOMAN TO BE BLACK, BROWN OR WHATEVER ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE NARRATOR ARE RACIST THATS LIKE 100 YEARS FROM NOW HISTORIANS SAYING MEGHAN MARKLES BLACK MOTHER AND HER BROWN SKIN, JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT SAY HER MOTHER WAS A DESCENDANT OF SLAVES, “OH NO SHE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE BLACK!” MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PEOPLE!!!!! IM SO SICK OF THIS WHITE WASHED HISTORY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE EARTH IS MELENATED NEWS FLASH WHITE PEOPLE “YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!’n”
Thank you for this amazing video. Philippa often gets overlooked. But her role and her story are significant. Too many tales and videos, books even movies about her mother-in-law Isabella, or century later about Elizabeth Woodville or Margaret Beaufort (the one of 3 women with this name!). Or 16th century and fascination with Henry VIII....Surely interesting too, but there is a flood of information about them. And so little about women like Philippa. Without Philippa, neither Woodville nor Beaufort or Tudor would ever have been of importance! Thank you for remembering Philippa ❤
Thank you so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Philippa is absolutely one of my favourite queens of all time, purely because she did so much, and she did it kindly and without getting into trouble. Not many medieval (or later) queens could claim the same!
Philippa was one of my favorite Queens, consort of my favorite King Edward lll. They were the best of the Medieval world, showing compassion (for that era) and strength when needed. I agree with you about the skin tone of her, my lineage is of Hungarian-Croatian descent and I have a mid-tone olive complexion that is a golden tan, since I live in a sunny climate. Per accounts, Philippa like her father was quite active in hunting and since Hainault would have had a warmer climate than England, it is likely she had a warmer tone than many English ladies of court.
Exactly, and the idea of her golden-olive toned skin being described as 'brown' makes even more sense against the knowledge that most noble and royal women didn't like to go out in the sun uncovered much, since it made them look more like peasants (apparently!), and so she probably stood out more against them. It's so funny how many comments I've had on here from people who are of Hungarian descent in some degree who say they have exactly the same colouring. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Hunting was quite popular for royal women and noble women as well. One can see in the tapestries of this era that women were on hunts. Many did wear head coverings, so this protected them from the sun.
@@di3486 Yes, my comment was meant to be seen in perspective to the classic English Rose complexion. Any olive hued skin would be considered warm by Comparison. On the color spectrum, I'm a neutral so I can wear cool and warm tones, provided they are muted. Many women who have deeper skin tones actually have cool tones, but they think they are warm tones. For me as a neutral, navy blue and soft greys are far more attractive than black. So many people have been conditioned to see black as a neutral.
What an amazing woman. She was the perfect fairy-tale princess. Someone whom Romance novels would be written about. It's really a crime she isn't well known. Thank you for introducing her to us.
Thank You for the wonderful video about Queen Phillipa. What a strong, beautiful, caring, kind person she was. It's wonderful that her marriage was so loving and long-lasting. She really was Edwards "rock". We need more people like this in society.
A wonderful, very well researched and smazingly well narrated video of a Queen who desrves a much higher place in England's history than she is generally given . I did not know much about this brave but humble lady whose decendants form a direct royal lineage down to this day . She was patriotic, a faithful and loving wife , courageous and confident . Thanks for highlighting the life of this Queen.
It’s rare, but I knew a woman like her. Levelheaded, beautiful, and extremely trustworthy; compassionate enough to never be shallow, but not too meek to avoid providing useful insights.
0 seconds ago My father had black hair, dark brown eyes, and swarthy skin. He was also half German and half Dutch. I have no idea where that coloring came from. My brother and I both have pale skin, light brown hair, and green eyes. We look like our mother, who was Manx, French, and German. Europe has a very wide array of coloring and appearances.
Many Dutch are mixed race black. Some still have their afro type hair, although soft and fair - including my first husband whose more recent forebears were born here and married into the Spencer Churchill lines. Blue eyes. My eldest who is from that marriage also has blue eyes (my family have brown eyes), and he has straight Caucasoid hair which was ash blond until he was a year old, then corn blond until he was almost 5 then in only a couple of months his hair became dark brown. Going from fair to darker hair is usual in my family but never before so markedly and in only weeks. All that said, my now ex husband is working class. He and his sisters never had an interest in pursuing knowledge of their lineage beyond what they were told as they grew up. I think the Dutch called mixed race people there "mulatto", although now of course that's considered an insulting term. My paternal grandmother once told me that "No-one really knows where they came from. Women were forced and women had affairs. Anyone could only be sure by looking at their own parents and if they were lucky enough to know them, their grandparents. Beyond that, no one knows." Up until we had DNA testing, that was largely true 😊 My paternal grandmother came from the Hampshire settled Belgae tribe, who were fair haired and blue eyed. I remember her saying she must have darker in her as her eyes were brown. Of course that could be from ancestors in the fertile crescent or elsewhere, not necessarily black African. Truth is we will never know and what difference would it make if we did? 😊
@@angr3819 I don't think it's true that "many" Dutch people are mixed race black, but yes, sailors from all over the world settled in the Netherlands during the country's heyday. Personally, I suspected that my dad's dark coloring may have come from Spanish blood, since Spain ruled the country for some time, but according to 23&Me, nope. I don't have any Spanish blood at all.
Honestly, it's a shame their eldest son died. From all accounts, Prince Edward was in a loving marriage himself and had the makings of a fair and just king. To go from such a powerful couple to the War of the Roses is just a shame.
You make a good point - it's funny how everything can hinge on just person, possibly even just existing as opposed to not existing, and when that changes the ramifications can go on for centuries afterwards.
If Anne of Bohemia even hadn't died things might have been different. There was some sort of truce until her death, then all hell broke loose. And maybe, just maybe, she may have produced an heir. But even if she hadn't, the succession would have been more clear cut without someone just seizing the throne
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 Philippa is definitely somewhat unknown compared to many other queens, and yet she did a lot during her years as queen, as well as being Edward's best adviser.
She really is the most likeable queen I think I've done a video on! 😊 And yup, she's such a contrast to Isabella, yet the two were linked - I must admit, I do like that they got on well with each other in later life.
I love your voice and storytelling skills. You sound as if you're interested in the subject matter and it makes a difference in the delivery and quality of the material. I do hope that you care about history as it can be a subject that is not always well taught. But no matter if you have a teacher's heart or a storyteller's charm I enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much! 😊 I can promise you I LOVE history - it's something I plan to always be involved in (I'm currently doing an MA in history). I've been a writer too, so I guess the storyteller part is there as well!
Just goes to show you what a loving relationship can do for people,,, also I'm not surprised that she went and won a war while her husband was away she had how many teenagers at that point,, the sweetest woman I know and the most amazing support of wife I know has four teenagers actually only two of them are still teenagers the others are now in their twenties anyway she's the sweetest most caring amazing woman ever but if you were to threaten her family you would see exactly how that Mama Bear would not stop at anything
This is it, it definitely makes more sense to me that Philippa was olive-skinned with dark hair, and that she was most probably a mix (like most of us!) of different backgrounds.
Same, & my ancestry is 100% North European too- English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish & German. (I get weird results on DNA ancestry tests for the "German" ancestry though, just a little bit of a weird mix from those "German" ancestors from ie Prussia & Saxony: Jewish, East European/Russian, Swedish, Danish & Baltic, & barely any/no actual Germanic DNA).
Upon seeing the statue in Phillipa's tomb, which is the only thing close to accurate left of her, my mother said that she seems more like central or east Asian than African You know, Hungarians and Turkish people aren't completely native Europeans and they're originally Indo-European immigrants which might have been in Ural Mountains or Siberia in ancient times and I'm talking about what they were in like thousand years ago, which probably could've been Phillipa's ancestors.
This is it, as you point out, there are a lot of routes that went into European families. And absolutely, Philippa could have had a huge variety of ancestors, but not necessarily close enough to be considered anything but European (and I say that as someone with black Jamaican/African ancestry six generations back, and I would never offend anyone by saying I was 'black', because I'm clearly not, but I'm very proud of that line of ancestry). That's a really interesting idea about the central or east Asian ancestry as well, I didn't consider that. 😊
Looking for a video about Philippa thanks for making this video. There is only little information about this queen and i am fascinated to know about her. Good for her to have a good relationship with her mother in law later in life.
Another excellent and informative episode as usual madame. May I trouble you to ask how do you make these productions, such as what programs do you use? I've recently released the first book in the series I'm producing and I want to also make videos about the world, characters, and events. You do such a great job, I figured I'd ask a pro. My apologies in advance 🙏🏾
No apologies necessary, happy to help! 😊 I use a combination of Midjourney, Wikimedia and free stock image sites for my images, and for my audio and editing I use Adobe Audition and Premiere Pro. They are the best programs, but there's no need to start out with those as they are pricy! My earlier videos were done using Audacity for audio, and a very cheap video editing program called Movie Maker (not the famous Windows one, sadly), both of which were perfect for starting out. I hope that helps!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople You're a godsend 🙏🏾 I sincerely thank you for the knowledge you've dispensed, it is incredibly helpful! Big fan of your productions and always excited to see the notifications from your channel. Again thank you very much and cheers!!
Ridiculous for any serious historian to allege that Phillipa may have been “Black.” Not only were there VERY few Africans living in Europe, there were literally no nobles of African descent…. Such allegations must surely have come from a “Woman’s Studies” historical neophyte-who was also ignorant on Medieval literature (as both The Canterbury Tales & Shakespeare had characters of Moorish background who were described as “black” and “dark”)….
I think the allegations at the moment come from a politically-minded minority, and it's done so with no regard for historical accuracy. There were people who we would today describe as 'black' who would be regarded as nobles, but as you point out, not in Europe, but in West and Sub-Saharan Africa. The same people will then claim people like me are ignoring black people in history, while they ignore the real black people who did amazing and interesting things in history (such as Queen Nzinga, a contemporary of Elizabeth I, someone I also did a video on).
Er, excuse me? WTF does bs historical revisionism about race have to do with _"women's_ studies"? As someone who's studied it at uni, the answer is "nothing". 100% with you about how people were described in that era though. When Charles II was on the run, a poster described him as "a tall black man". I suspect that's one bit of "evidence" people use to argue that the Stuart dynasty were black.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople THIS!! This seriously annoys me! There are LOADS of amazing black people in history that you could admire or find interesting (Queen Nzinga is an awesome example, & your video on her was awesome too), but these people would rather make up a fantasy & overlook the REAL black people in history, who were just as interesting & impressive as Europeans. I agree it's not actually about history though- it's historical revisionism for political purposes. And it's very telling, & sad, that the fantasies are always about European royalty or nobility- really sad internalised racism, where African royalty somehow isn't good enough. And of course you CAN find black/African people in Mediaeval Europe, including Britain, but again, they're not royalty, so clearly they're not good enough either.
@@chaimadebbabi7849 Exactly my point. The historian used the modern definition of “Black” -rather than the Medieval definition (which could describe anyone from Southern Italian to Moroccan, among others)….Those of African origin were defined differently.
I love Philippa's story especially since it's often forgotten by historians. Her granddaughter through John of Gaunt also was named Philippa and became Queen of Portugal. You should do a video about her granddaughters Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
I grew up in Woodstock, CT, settled by people from Woodstock, England. Woodstock,CT was the first Woodstock founded in the United States. I believe there are now 23. I'm happy to learn that Prince Edward and Phillipa were from Woodstock.
The amount of children she and William III had, a lot of sons, was also one of the reasons for the War of Roses. That and the financial issues England had after the 100 Years' War and the loss of lands in France. She and Edward are two of my favorites in history.
It's funny, isn't it, how no one considered the number of children would be a problem! And you're right, the financial issues put an enormous strain on the country.
Philippa having dark features as would be considered dark to her very Northern birthplace is really not that strange with a little bit of Turkish ancestry. And all of you to the skin would be perfectly expected at this time. But to say that she was black is absolutely ludicrous. First you must consider that true black skinned persons are actually not well regarded within Islam and certainly would not have have been able to marry into the hierarchy of europe. sub-Saharan African were not accepted as Muslims and in some places they are still not allowed at the most sacred places in islam. So the idea that Queen Philippa was of sub-Saharan black African descent at all is completely ridiculous.
Just because Phillipa looks quiet and demure at first glance doesn't mean that she was weak at all. She literally has the heart and courage of a strong and dedicated queen for her husband, her family, and her country. I guess it's true what people say, "Watch out for the nice ones".
I have read other descriptions of how beloved Phillipa was. The King made a pilgrimage with her body and erected stations at each resting point. There is still 1 marker left in London... enroute to her funeral and burial.
I could be wrong, but wasn't that Edward 1st for his wife Eleanor of Castille? Also, we shouldn't forget how much Edward 3rd hurt Philippa by having his mistress, Alice Perrers, at court in later life.
Wasn’t Philippa also a skilled archer who won an archery contest once. Since we’re on the subject of the Hundred Years War, have you heard of Jean de Clisson, the Lioness of Brittany.
I don't know about the archery contest - I didn't come across anything about it, but I will do some digging! 🤔 I have heard of Jean de Clisson, but I must admit I don't really know anything about her other than I think she became a pirate/privateer? I am planning on doing a few videos at some point on female pirates, so she might be a good fit for that as well. Thank you for the awesome suggestion, I'll add her to my list! 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I’m definitely looking forward to that. I’ve just finished reading Angus Konstam’s The Pirate World: A History Of The Most Notorious Sea Robbers.
Brava 😊 Thanks again Miranda ❤ Informative as always, Your work and the passion you exude are much appreciated. Have joined your channel and help others also join to help fund your work as one of the best history channels on RUclips. I wish you all the best in every endeavor 😊
Aww, thank you so much, you are too kind! I'm honestly so pleased you're enjoying the channel, and thank you so much for joining as a member. It's great to have you here! 😊
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. Your history videos are always enjoyable. How are you doing? How is the weather where you are? I'm doing well. We have summer like weather in Ontario, Canada. I was wondering if you could do next video Georgiana Spencer Duchess of Devonshire from the 18th century. If I have anymore ideas I'll give them to you. I forgot to mention queen Catherine Parr henry the eighth sixth wife from the 16th century. Is another historical figure. Have a great day see you next video 😊
Hi Michelle, thank you! I'm doing okay - the weather is pretty wet and miserable here, but it is Britain! 😂 It sounds lovely in Ontario at the moment, hopefully you keep the summery weather for a while. I promise I'm definitely going to cover Katherine Parr (and the other wives of Henry VIII) in a six-part series at some point, so she is coming up! Georgiana Spencer is on my list as well - a lot happened with her, so she might be a two-part video, or a really long one, but I'll cover her story too!
Yeah, eh, no. That "interceding on behalf of others" was more like a good cop, bad cop routine. Things like that were pre-arranged. It allowed Edward to pardon someone (usually in exchange for a large sum of money) without looking like he'd gone soft.
Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no. Obviously large events were likely decided beforehand, but there's plenty of evidence to show Philippa also made decisions in her own right in other cases. Two things can be true at the same time.
Philippa had the cultural merit to take a feminine touch to the Court, and therefore to the Country, spreading love for arts, for beauty and for good manners. In a certain sense, she was the first to make the Monarchy fashionable and glamorous. Which is far from being a futile detail, because it's something that enforced the fascination towards the Crown, and therefore its power...
She wasn't black lol she was probably olived skin. You think medieval chronicles wouldnt lose their minds about that!? Lol shes one of my favorite queens. Very traditional and submissive but that's how she got her power. A smart and kind woman. ❤
She's one of my favourites now, too! I didn't really know too much about her before I researched her further, but I actually love how she ruled in her own quiet, soft way - still definitely with a spine made of steel, in my opinion.
What a lovely telling. I was hoping to hear about the burghers of Calais but sadly, it appears the story is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to include it or not as sometimes I feel like I'm spreading that misinformation more by including it, but I think it's a good story that shows how people viewed her character.
My father had black hair and tannish skin color with blue eyes. I have pale white skin, brown hair and blue eyes. My dad's entire family is 100% French in origin. So is my mother's family as well so I am purely of French origin. I don't really know how my father got his dark black hair color by being a 100% European ancestry from France. I have always been told that I actually look a lot like my father when I was growing up. I did have a light brown blondish hair color when I was around two years old. But as I got older throughout the years my hair had gotten a darker brown color. My skin is very pale white so that I can't get a good tan when out in the sun. My aunts on my mother's side can tan much better than I can. So I mostly burn when in the sun for long periods of time. All since I do have one native American ancestor on my mother's side that dates back to the 17th century in my 12th great grandmother. So I'm pretty much 1% Native American with 99% of my ancestry being European mainly from France. My French ancestors colonized the New France colony which is today Quebec, Canada and the Acadian region of New France as well. Most of my French Acadian ancestry is on my father's side of my family. Most of my direct Acadian ancestors took refuge in Quebec at the end of the French and Indian War in the new world. After they were exiled from their homes in Acadia by the British as Acadian refugees in Quebec. Then soon later my family returned to the area of Acadia to settle in the province of New Brunswick, Canada where most of my father's family still lives today. My father was born in New Brunswick, Canada due to the fact that there was no hospital in Van Buren, Maine where my grandparents lived at the time when my dad was born. My grandfather was born and raised in New Brunswick his entire childhood and he arrived in the United States of America by himself with no high school education at the age of 14 years old. He was the youngest child of his parents out of 11 children where only four boys and three girls lived into adulthood and three boys died in infancy. My grandfather is still living as the last of his immediate family still living today. He's currently 85 years old and he just lost his wife of 66 years of marriage this past October after 7 years battling Parkinson's Disease. They had three girls and one boy during their long marriage of 66 years and their only son is my father. But during my time of doing my research into my family's history I have found that my mom and dad are 9th cousins ironically on several family lines.
@chadst.pierre5257 Acadians who have dark brown/black hair and blue eyes are unfortunately a dying breed as their children intermarry outside of their lineage. Black hair and blue eyed people are very rare. It’s a beautiful combination from old french bloodlines in Brittany and Normandy. Acadians are wonderful peaceful people - salt of the earth. It’s tragic what happened to them. If you don’t mind me asking, what are your parents and grandparents last names?
Sounds to me they had olive skin. My sister and grandfather have it too. I’m sure if she had been black or of a darker complexion it would have better described that. The description of the hair would clear that up, right? It says not uncomely my guess meaning straight or loose waves. He didn’t describe black hair.
Philipa may have had Illyrian ancestors. Settling later in Panonia. Unsure not an expert, just curious about the tribe’s destinies and how intermarriages amongst chieftains were political forms of displacements and ethnic absorption by the Roman Empire and church during the Illyrian wars and before.
The description of brown specifically references to tan skin- someone who has been out in the sun. If she was black there certainly would have been a reference to “moor”. A round the time of Shakespeare Moor’s were often viewed that their character reflected by skin tone.
I am brown of skin, with brown-black eyes... and Asian. I don't don't know how some historians can conclude a person's ethnicity by one description alone, smh.
Because in the case of Philippa of Hainault, we also have very detailed genealogical records for her family, so we know the exact people she was descended from, and where they came from. If her family had been from South-East Asia, that of course would be where we would place her ethnicity, but we know instead that her family were Turkish-Hungarian as well as French and Scandinavian.
Considering the description of her hair (is online) I believe Philippa was mixed race with African. Quite a lot on the continent were and if you look, still are. I remember my parents and others saying that the Italians and Latinos in general are often part African.
Yes, buuuuut....there was an enormous amount of historical liberty taken in that film, so the only 'true' part in it really are the names! For a start, William Wallace was actually executed long before Isabella even came to England, as she was just still a young girl when it happened. ☺
Isn't it true to say that Edward spent a lot of time abroad, and Philippa spent a lot of time pregnant including with babies she didn't manage to carry to full term? (Usual for royals and many of the nobility at the time. Not together often and many pregnancies to various stages). Seems most people had harsh lives then. Some a lot worse than others but none seems to have had the relatively soft lives of later royals and nobles.
The Kool-Aid now is that you have to be something other than Northern European, like I am. I suppose the true Romans endured this sort of prejudice too when the Germanic people eclipsed them. My skin kooks pretty bad now because I'm elderly, but I still have my copper hair and steely blue eyes.
Why should two sisters look alike? I am a dead ringer of my mother, a tall brunette. I have her eyes, her nose, her smile her physique while my sister is a short blonde with a hooked nose and completely different eyes and is a dead ringer for my father. The assumption that the sisters would have looked alike is just than, an assumption.
Absolutely! I know a set of twins who get completely disbelieved when they first tell people. One is shorter than the other, one has brown hair and brown eyes, and the other is a red-head with blue eyes. Nature is a funny thing!
Search "Description of Phillipa of Hainault". She was "black". Slightly mixed race but darker than Mediterranean skin. So why do they present her as Mediterranean here, and slender blue eyed blond elsewhere? This doesn't mean that many more royals were black but some definitely were including royals and nobles abroad. The Dutch are known to have a lot of mixed race people including royals. The Bentinck's of Holland were mixed race and some have kept their afro type hair, albeit fair and soft, even to the present day. Her and Edwards children were mixed race including the actually black prince of Wales, cruel and savage Edward who liked to cut down peasant girls and young women with their babies as they pled for their lives. He was seen to mostly do that in France, when at war there. Edward and Phillipa didn't "hit it off". Edward's mother decided for him on the grounds that she had wide childbearing hips. Those royals weren't nice people.
But they had to make the female image on this video with fair skin and blue eyes because most people just cant tolerate the thought of royal blood being non white.
Some of the figures do come a bit basic-looking! 😂 In fairness, a lot of medieval images, while they're resized larger so we can make out details, were very tiny decorating the margins of bibles, etc. So I suppose part of it might be trying to make these images very tiny, and symbolic more than realistic.
If she was actually black they would have described her hair differently. She was most likely of Mediterranean descent. Many Spanish have a darker tone of skin because they were invaded by people of the Middle East around the time of Jesus. Also, if she was black they would have said her skin was "black" not brown.
Well, I agree that they would have described her hair differently, but they probably wouldn't have said 'black' for her skin, only because other words were used at the time, many not now acceptable, some are more acceptable (such as 'Moorish'). I also agree that she likely had a lot of middle-eastern ancestry, especially through her Turkish ancestry. 'Black' was more often than not used to describe anyone, of any skin colour, as having dark colouring, such as black hair, dark brown eyes, etc. As an example, when he fled to Europe, Charles II was described as a 'black man', and as we can see from contemporary portraits, it means he had black hair and dark eyes.
Hispania was a Roman province 2,000 years ago. The invasions from the "Middle East" didn't happen until centuries later. The Goths got there first after the 5th Century and they were from North/Central Europe.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Oh good, you quoted the same description of Charles II that I did somewhere else here, so I definitely wasn't imagining it! He didn't have any recent Middle-Eastern ancestry, & the only Southern European was an Italian great-grandfather, but even so, millions of Northern Europeans have his colouring, me included, & loads of research plus DNA both confirm I'm mostly British, with a bit of _Northern_ Continental European (Jewish, East Europe/Russia, Scandi, Baltic, German).
For the question I’m going all superficial lol: how would you “most to least beautiful wife of Henry VIII” go?😭 For me it’s Anne of Cleves Katherine of Aragon Katherine Parr Katherine Howard Anne Boleyn Jane Seymour
I love it! And oh my gosh - I always think Anne of Cleves is the prettiest but no one takes that seriously so thank you for that! 😂 Here's mine: 1. Anne of Cleves (unless Holbein's portrait was WAY off, who knows?) 2. Katherine Parr 3. Anne Boleyn 4. Katherine of Aragon 5. Katherine Howard 6. Jane Seymour (sorry, Jane!) I would also like to point out that I think Henry VIII was punching above his weight with every single one of these ladies, haha!
So nice to know there’s someone else who thinks Anne of Cleves was pretty! Her portrait is just so lovely. The German headdress is certainly not flattering ( must have been to her) . I think Henry was just humiliated by her. ( though if she’d kissed a stranger , that would have made a scandal.) . I still can’t go past Catherine of Aragon as first, she went through so much but still remained a ‘lady’.n she was noble born, Anne. Funnily enough she would have made an excellent wife to him. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
@@HistorysForgottenPeople ikr! Anne was so damn fine😭 tbh I doubt Holbein was THAT off- he was truly marvellous and didn’t flatter Jane (who was Queen)- why would he do so to a mere candidate? And yea I feel sorry for Jane too but c’est la vie innit? 😭
My top wife (as far as beauty) but also, in every other aspect, too is ALSO Anne of Cleves. Henry saying she was like a flanders mare or his famous "I like her not", upon their meeting was simply about his pride being DESTROYED due to her not recognizing him in his disguise, and her failure to understand the courtly love attempts. He was so prideful and, growing up "spare" and along with all of the women caused him to be super spoiled and emotional, without being taught sacrifice and control, especially regarding his whims and emotions. Anyway, my 2nd queen is Katherine of Aragon 3rd Anne Boleyn 4th Catherine Howard 5 Jane Seymour 6 Katherine Parr
She wasn't black. However, many Europeans forget or do not acknowledge that black people come in ALL shades. From the darkest of tones to the palest. There are children who have both black parents and came out looking white. Black people can also have straight noses, blonde hair (tribe in Africa is known for that) and sometimes colored eyes. Still, the Queen was not black.
Well, I can't speak for all Europeans, but certainly in Britain, we are definitely aware that everyone can be all shades and tones possible. We're a melting pot on a fairly small island, so we all live alongside each other!
She most certainly was, considering that black people are, and have always been the majority of the people on the planet. Melanin is a genetic trait so in order for one to have brown or olive complexions one must be descendent from a melanin dominant person.
It is unfortunate that people often see a gentle nature as a weak one. The calm and gentle voice is often the one that keeps things from becoming unglued. I appreciate this video for bringing this wonderful Queen to life.
You described my wonderful Mother perfectly. I so miss her!! She passed 4 years ago and this world is at a loss.
Her marriage needs to be made into a series or movie.
@@Butterflypegasus40 Oh with today's WOKE crap?? NO THANK YOU!! I dont own a TV for 23 years and wont have one in my home. Have NOT gone to a movie house since the 90s, do not stream. It is disgusting!!
My ancestors Cousins to Edward 111 Neville and Parr through out time. Mother Neville father Parr and me Baron Parr after all went to heaven . To find such a woman as this Queen was to this King is harder than finding a needle in a hay stack .They do exist im assured but only knew one and she my sister . So marriage was far away from my thoughts . One day perhaps she will find me
This was a beautiful tale of a woman who was fortunate enough to have found love at a time when most ladies of her station were in want of such a notion of love and respect. She had most certainly led a far more peaceful existence than her mother in law, Isabella of France, had for herself. Thank you for this video with its riveting details and interwoven facts that enhance the mystique of this most fortunate Queen of England. ❤
You're absolutely right that it's (for once!) a medieval tale that really was the noble lady and king falling in love with each other, and that didn't happen too often! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
Why do you considered philippa as the most well behaved queen in history? I can think of several candidates for this recognition.
Well that’s what history says anyway. She was 9 in a paternalistic world. Women bred like livestock, no different than monarchs today.History isn’t romantic.
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Phillipa and Edward III dynamic when they first met reminds me a bit of Peter Pan...a Lost Boy who meets Wendy, a girl from a large, stable home. No wonder he adored her, she gave him the warm, loving family his parents ripped away from him and his siblings. Phillipa embodied the saying "succeed quietly, rather than fail loudly". She was truly a gentle person in a harsh ungentle world in real life, and it shows here. Gentle people don't get enough credit...but then again, their the sort of people who don't need credit. That's what makes them special. They are humble, peaceful. Whoever said well behaved women rarely make history clearly didn't study hard enough.
Its a shame these two don't have a book series, tv show, or movie about them...because I think a lot of people can relate to Edward III's childhood - how many young men are there from broken homes trying to get on their feet, make their mark on the world, and find a Philippa themselves?
And your rendition of Phillipa is lovely, she looks like my cousin in our Italian family, olive skin and lustrous dark hair. She must've stood out in the English court like a drop of summertime.
That's such a good comparison, of Peter Pan and Wendy. You're right, I think Philippa absolutely gave him the love and security he had always probably craved as a child. I would love it if a TV series or film came out about these two - not all historical stories have to be dysfunctional families, and it would be lovely to show how much she really did. And thank you for saying you liked how I tried to show Philippa! 😊 Obviously, everyone probably has a very different idea about what the description of her might mean, but in my head, with her Turkish and Hungarian ancestry and Stapledon's description, this is how I imagine she might have appeared.
I would love to see a show about them. The story of his parents is a full-fledged Hollywood melodrama as juicy as we've ever seen in real history, so obviously they get more attention. Edward III's reign was a remarkable and much-needed period of stability. However Edward and Philippa had to deal with plenty of hardship themselves. They faced the start of the Hundred Years War and the devastation of the Black Death. The strong leadership they provided helped pull England through these hard times. Their story deserves to be told too.
Weren't there painters in edward iii times who could have done the royal couple's portrait?
They make history, they just don’t make the history books.
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No. There were no contemporary portraits of anyone then. Not of the standard we saw when more formal portraits were created.
She is my 15th great grandmother. ❤
And my 18th great grandmother. I saw her tomb in Westminster several years ago, not knowing at the time that she and her husband were part of my family's history.
My 19th
I'm descended from the Hanoverians through King George IV. He married Maria who was a Catholic leaving any children they had ineligible to inherit the throne as Royalty were forbidden to marry Catholics. My ancestor King George IV wasn't a good man, the only things I like about him are his parents (King George III & Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz) and his niece (Queen Victoria) King George IV seemed like a nasty man, happy to bankrupt his country. Sometimes I wonder how the United Kingdom would have shaped out had Charlotte, Princess of Wales survived to inherit the throne after the death of her father. The Dukes wouldn't have all rushed to marry and have a legitimate heir, making it unlikely that Queen Victoria would have even been born.
My 18th GG Mother and the founding benefactress of The Queen's College in the University of Oxford ... where I studied for my history degree (only later learning of the connection). The College motto in translation is that Queens shall be your nurses. Seems apt for this lady.
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I´ve never really heard of Philippa before. Thank you for changing that :)
No worries, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊
Queen Phillippa also interceded when her husband her uncle, King Phillip VI of France went to war. She was very intelligent and very kind. She also had great diplomacy skills. Unfortunately, the fact that she had so many kids, caused the Wars of the Roses. But King Edward III and Queen Phillippa were a devoted couple and seemed like loving parents.
I heard they didn't force their daughters to marry lucky them.
@leeannproctor47 So true. They seemed like good parents especially for royalty.
My mom was Hungarian and she had the most beautiful olive skin. Dark eyes that were almost black. She had very dark hair. She was quite beautiful.
She sounds gorgeous! 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople she was. My grandma was Italian and had lighter skin. So most people thought my mom got her beautiful complexion from her mom.
My dad is Irish and a few other things. I look like him.
People who only knew what my mom looked like would ask me if I was adopted. 😂 my mom was also 5'5 and I am 5'9. Dark red hair pale skin and hazel blue green eyes and freckles.
Same
@@HistorysForgottenPeoplehas the royal family ever done DNA testing to see if philippa had African ancestry?
It is wonderful to have these stories of the women who quietly held the country together in difficult times ❤😊
Amazing video. Philippa is one of my favourites medieval queens and I'm glad that Edward III loved her, both were blessed with a lovely marriage. She's a remarkable historical figure indeed who deserves to be remembered. Your recreation honours her beauty and I agree that she possibly may have had a gorgeous olive skin colour considering her ancestry. Thank you for sharing her story 👑
It really is lovely that Edward III and Philippa had a good marriage, and especially that they were reported to love each other! Not often you come across that with medieval kings and queens. 😊 And thank you so much! I know lots of people may have a very different idea about what Philippa looked like, but it makes the most sense to me the way I've tried to show her here.
Olive skin is white European.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I completely agree. She was portrayed beautifully. You did an excellent job.
@@di3486 that's what I meant. Olive skin is still considered white as I'm aware that white comes in shades ranging from pale white. Edit: Anyway, skin colour is not the main concern.
She most certainly didn't earned the title bitch unlike some other queens.
I’ve always admired Phillipa for nobility of character and her kindness to all of her subjects. One story that you didn’t single out when you said that she would beg her husband for clemency for his prisoners was the story of how the burghers (city council members) of Calais had been condemned to death and she knelt in public before her husband to remove the death sentence on these men.
In what I’ve read it appears that her husband and sons fell apart after her death. Edward was making a fool of himself and being robbed blind by his mistress Alice Perrers and her friends. On top of that her living sons seemed to be unable to get along with each other. This family strife eventually caused the War of the Roses which pitted the Yorkist members/descendants against the family of John of Gaunt (3rd son) whose son Henry removed his cousin Richard II from the throne while a child of Lionel’s, Phillipa’s second living son would have had more of a right to the throne. Dynastic matters and line(s) of succession certainly tore this family apart.
You're right, I should have included that story in the video. I'm also going to do a video on Alice Perrers, so perhaps I can work it into that one? Philippa was definitely one of the most selfless and noble queens of the medieval period.
Where exactly is hainault does anyone know?
Hainaut was a province that now covers a portion of Northern France and Southeastern Belgium.
@leeannproctor2966 there was a good map in the clip (0:30). Look for Mons, now Belgium.
What a dynamic , unique and “ refreshing “ experience for the time period. A Queen who had poise , grace and great “ restraint “ in her Station . She knew how to keep her cool .
Another well written bio! And you have a pleasant speaking voice.
I enjoyed this fascinating video of Phillipa of Hainault. I had heard of her through Katherine Sywnford but didn't know what her personality was like. She must of been a lovely queen as judging by her sweet nature and the English people loved her. Her marriage was a great success too. What a fascinating personality she possessed.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 It really is a nice change to come across a medieval queen who was so well liked! Especially as lots of European countries typically (in the past) weren't very welcoming to foreign queens, but Philippa seems to have won them over.
She sounds a great deal like catherine the current princess of wales
Just what I was thinking! Thankyou for illuminating this lovely lady.
Having brown skin simply meant tanned. In ireland in the 40s and 50s when my nan was young people described her as brown or even black. She just had a tan. The moors were largely middle eastern when it comes to ethnicities. There wasnt many non europeans in europe throughout the last thousand years. And when there was it was rare or they were middle eastern. So brown can be taken for an olive complexion.
Is that so….🙄
Having brown or swarthy skin means that she was black beloved.
This is very believable. I have mid brown skin and a lot of Germans have referred to me as black(I’m not black)
WHY IS IT SUCH AN ISSUE FOR THIS WOMAN TO BE BLACK, BROWN OR WHATEVER ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE NARRATOR ARE RACIST
THATS LIKE 100 YEARS FROM NOW HISTORIANS SAYING MEGHAN MARKLES BLACK MOTHER AND HER BROWN SKIN, JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT SAY HER MOTHER WAS A DESCENDANT OF SLAVES, “OH NO SHE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE BLACK!”
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PEOPLE!!!!!
IM SO SICK OF THIS WHITE WASHED HISTORY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE EARTH IS MELENATED
NEWS FLASH WHITE PEOPLE
“YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!’n”
WHY IS IT SUCH AN ISSUE FOR THIS WOMAN TO BE BLACK, BROWN OR WHATEVER ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE NARRATOR ARE RACIST
THATS LIKE 100 YEARS FROM NOW HISTORIANS SAYING MEGHAN MARKLES BLACK MOTHER AND HER BROWN SKIN, JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT SAY HER MOTHER WAS A DESCENDANT OF SLAVES, “OH NO SHE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE BLACK!”
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PEOPLE!!!!!
IM SO SICK OF THIS WHITE WASHED HISTORY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE EARTH IS MELENATED
NEWS FLASH WHITE PEOPLE
“YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!’n”
Thank you for this amazing video. Philippa often gets overlooked. But her role and her story are significant. Too many tales and videos, books even movies about her mother-in-law Isabella, or century later about Elizabeth Woodville or Margaret Beaufort (the one of 3 women with this name!). Or 16th century and fascination with Henry VIII....Surely interesting too, but there is a flood of information about them. And so little about women like Philippa. Without Philippa, neither Woodville nor Beaufort or Tudor would ever have been of importance! Thank you for remembering Philippa ❤
Thank you so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Philippa is absolutely one of my favourite queens of all time, purely because she did so much, and she did it kindly and without getting into trouble. Not many medieval (or later) queens could claim the same!
Do we know how edward iii really thought of his father?
Philippa was one of my favorite Queens, consort of my favorite King Edward lll. They were the best of the Medieval world, showing compassion (for that era) and strength when needed. I agree with you about the skin tone of her, my lineage is of Hungarian-Croatian descent and I have a mid-tone olive complexion that is a golden tan, since I live in a sunny climate. Per accounts, Philippa like her father was quite active in hunting and since Hainault would have had a warmer climate than England, it is likely she had a warmer tone than many English ladies of court.
Exactly, and the idea of her golden-olive toned skin being described as 'brown' makes even more sense against the knowledge that most noble and royal women didn't like to go out in the sun uncovered much, since it made them look more like peasants (apparently!), and so she probably stood out more against them. It's so funny how many comments I've had on here from people who are of Hungarian descent in some degree who say they have exactly the same colouring. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Hunting was quite popular for royal women and noble women as well. One can see in the tapestries of this era that women were on hunts. Many did wear head coverings, so this protected them from the sun.
Not necessarily warmer. Olive tones can be very cool and muted. I am one.
@@di3486 Yes, my comment was meant to be seen in perspective to the classic English Rose complexion. Any olive hued skin would be considered warm by Comparison. On the color spectrum, I'm a neutral so I can wear cool and warm tones, provided they are muted. Many women who have deeper skin tones actually have cool tones, but they think they are warm tones. For me as a neutral, navy blue and soft greys are far more attractive than black. So many people have been conditioned to see black as a neutral.
What an amazing woman. She was the perfect fairy-tale princess. Someone whom Romance novels would be written about. It's really a crime she isn't well known. Thank you for introducing her to us.
Thank You for the wonderful video about Queen Phillipa. What a strong, beautiful, caring, kind person she was. It's wonderful that her marriage was so loving and long-lasting. She really was Edwards "rock". We need more people like this in society.
Definitely! She was a great example of someone who was able to influence events without being a hard person.
A wonderful, very well researched and smazingly well narrated video of a Queen who desrves a much higher place in England's history than she is generally given . I did not know much about this brave but humble lady whose decendants form a direct royal lineage down to this day . She was patriotic, a faithful and loving wife , courageous and confident . Thanks for highlighting the life of this Queen.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 Philippa definitely deserves to be remembered more than she is, even if she was well-behaved.
It’s rare, but I knew a woman like her. Levelheaded, beautiful, and extremely trustworthy; compassionate enough to never be shallow, but not too meek to avoid providing useful insights.
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My father had black hair, dark brown eyes, and swarthy skin. He was also half German and half Dutch. I have no idea where that coloring came from. My brother and I both have pale skin, light brown hair, and green eyes. We look like our mother, who was Manx, French, and German. Europe has a very wide array of coloring and appearances.
Exactly! Europe is a huge melting pot, and has been for hundreds of years.
Many Dutch are mixed race black. Some still have their afro type hair, although soft and fair - including my first husband whose more recent forebears were born here and married into the Spencer Churchill lines. Blue eyes. My eldest who is from that marriage also has blue eyes (my family have brown eyes), and he has straight Caucasoid hair which was ash blond until he was a year old, then corn blond until he was almost 5 then in only a couple of months his hair became dark brown. Going from fair to darker hair is usual in my family but never before so markedly and in only weeks.
All that said, my now ex husband is working class. He and his sisters never had an interest in pursuing knowledge of their lineage beyond what they were told as they grew up.
I think the Dutch called mixed race people there "mulatto", although now of course that's considered an insulting term.
My paternal grandmother once told me that "No-one really knows where they came from. Women were forced and women had affairs. Anyone could only be sure by looking at their own parents and if they were lucky enough to know them, their grandparents. Beyond that, no one knows."
Up until we had DNA testing, that was largely true 😊
My paternal grandmother came from the Hampshire settled Belgae tribe, who were fair haired and blue eyed. I remember her saying she must have darker in her as her eyes were brown. Of course that could be from ancestors in the fertile crescent or elsewhere, not necessarily black African.
Truth is we will never know and what difference would it make if we did? 😊
@@angr3819 I don't think it's true that "many" Dutch people are mixed race black, but yes, sailors from all over the world settled in the Netherlands during the country's heyday. Personally, I suspected that my dad's dark coloring may have come from Spanish blood, since Spain ruled the country for some time, but according to 23&Me, nope. I don't have any Spanish blood at all.
Honestly, it's a shame their eldest son died. From all accounts, Prince Edward was in a loving marriage himself and had the makings of a fair and just king. To go from such a powerful couple to the War of the Roses is just a shame.
You make a good point - it's funny how everything can hinge on just person, possibly even just existing as opposed to not existing, and when that changes the ramifications can go on for centuries afterwards.
If Anne of Bohemia even hadn't died things might have been different. There was some sort of truce until her death, then all hell broke loose. And maybe, just maybe, she may have produced an heir. But even if she hadn't, the succession would have been more clear cut without someone just seizing the throne
There needs to be a movie or mini series of queen Philippa .
I would love to watch that!
WOW! Very nice video, came upon you today. its nice to get DOCs on the more obscure but no less badass ladies of history!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 Philippa is definitely somewhat unknown compared to many other queens, and yet she did a lot during her years as queen, as well as being Edward's best adviser.
ooh I love her! Also good putting this video after those of Isabella :))
Hello, did you find that documentary series I recommend ?
@@DarthDread-oh2neI did, I’m currently watching it! Thanks :)
@@lfgifu296 That's great. Which episode are you on ?
She really is the most likeable queen I think I've done a video on! 😊 And yup, she's such a contrast to Isabella, yet the two were linked - I must admit, I do like that they got on well with each other in later life.
Fabulous video! Thank you for this history of Phillapas life.
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
Fascinating, thank you.
I have really been enjoying your video's, I watch/listen to them while I work (sew) and I love them! Thanks for sharing.
Aw, thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them. 😊
I love your voice and storytelling skills. You sound as if you're interested in the subject matter and it makes a difference in the delivery and quality of the material. I do hope that you care about history as it can be a subject that is not always well taught. But no matter if you have a teacher's heart or a storyteller's charm I enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much! 😊 I can promise you I LOVE history - it's something I plan to always be involved in (I'm currently doing an MA in history). I've been a writer too, so I guess the storyteller part is there as well!
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleWell your talent shows! I'll be here for many more history lessons! Thank you!
Just goes to show you what a loving relationship can do for people,,, also I'm not surprised that she went and won a war while her husband was away she had how many teenagers at that point,, the sweetest woman I know and the most amazing support of wife I know has four teenagers actually only two of them are still teenagers the others are now in their twenties anyway she's the sweetest most caring amazing woman ever but if you were to threaten her family you would see exactly how that Mama Bear would not stop at anything
I absolutely agree with that - the nicest women you ever meet will take on the world when it comes to our kids!
She had a good life... something most Queens at the time didn't have...
Well, Philippa sounds like me, I am olive skinned, dark hair and eyes..German/French/Irish/Dutch/Welch..
This is it, it definitely makes more sense to me that Philippa was olive-skinned with dark hair, and that she was most probably a mix (like most of us!) of different backgrounds.
Exactly. Like my dark haired-olive skinned husband with ancestry from England and Norway.
The actress Famke Janssen is an example of a dark-haired, olive skinned beauty whom I was surprised to discover came from the Netherlands.
Same, & my ancestry is 100% North European too- English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish & German.
(I get weird results on DNA ancestry tests for the "German" ancestry though, just a little bit of a weird mix from those "German" ancestors from ie Prussia & Saxony: Jewish, East European/Russian, Swedish, Danish & Baltic, & barely any/no actual Germanic DNA).
Upon seeing the statue in Phillipa's tomb, which is the only thing close to accurate left of her, my mother said that she seems more like central or east Asian than African
You know, Hungarians and Turkish people aren't completely native Europeans and they're originally Indo-European immigrants which might have been in Ural Mountains or Siberia in ancient times and I'm talking about what they were in like thousand years ago, which probably could've been Phillipa's ancestors.
This is it, as you point out, there are a lot of routes that went into European families. And absolutely, Philippa could have had a huge variety of ancestors, but not necessarily close enough to be considered anything but European (and I say that as someone with black Jamaican/African ancestry six generations back, and I would never offend anyone by saying I was 'black', because I'm clearly not, but I'm very proud of that line of ancestry).
That's a really interesting idea about the central or east Asian ancestry as well, I didn't consider that. 😊
Looking for a video about Philippa thanks for making this video. There is only little information about this queen and i am fascinated to know about her. Good for her to have a good relationship with her mother in law later in life.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊 There definitely needs to be more about Philippa in some way - I'm surprised no one has made a film or series about her yet.
Great job with the video.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! 😊
This queen and her husband are my (very distant) ancestors ♥️ about 23 generations back.
Wow..Amazing Lady.
Kind of Sad and Lovely at the same time.
Another excellent and informative episode as usual madame. May I trouble you to ask how do you make these productions, such as what programs do you use? I've recently released the first book in the series I'm producing and I want to also make videos about the world, characters, and events. You do such a great job, I figured I'd ask a pro. My apologies in advance 🙏🏾
No apologies necessary, happy to help! 😊 I use a combination of Midjourney, Wikimedia and free stock image sites for my images, and for my audio and editing I use Adobe Audition and Premiere Pro. They are the best programs, but there's no need to start out with those as they are pricy! My earlier videos were done using Audacity for audio, and a very cheap video editing program called Movie Maker (not the famous Windows one, sadly), both of which were perfect for starting out. I hope that helps!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople You're a godsend 🙏🏾 I sincerely thank you for the knowledge you've dispensed, it is incredibly helpful! Big fan of your productions and always excited to see the notifications from your channel. Again thank you very much and cheers!!
Is Woodstock palace still standing?
Ridiculous for any serious historian to allege that Phillipa may have been “Black.” Not only were there VERY few Africans living in Europe, there were literally no nobles of African descent….
Such allegations must surely have come from a “Woman’s Studies” historical neophyte-who was also ignorant on Medieval literature (as both The Canterbury Tales & Shakespeare had characters of Moorish background who were described as “black” and “dark”)….
I think the allegations at the moment come from a politically-minded minority, and it's done so with no regard for historical accuracy. There were people who we would today describe as 'black' who would be regarded as nobles, but as you point out, not in Europe, but in West and Sub-Saharan Africa. The same people will then claim people like me are ignoring black people in history, while they ignore the real black people who did amazing and interesting things in history (such as Queen Nzinga, a contemporary of Elizabeth I, someone I also did a video on).
Er, excuse me? WTF does bs historical revisionism about race have to do with _"women's_ studies"? As someone who's studied it at uni, the answer is "nothing".
100% with you about how people were described in that era though. When Charles II was on the run, a poster described him as "a tall black man". I suspect that's one bit of "evidence" people use to argue that the Stuart dynasty were black.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople THIS!! This seriously annoys me! There are LOADS of amazing black people in history that you could admire or find interesting (Queen Nzinga is an awesome example, & your video on her was awesome too), but these people would rather make up a fantasy & overlook the REAL black people in history, who were just as interesting & impressive as Europeans. I agree it's not actually about history though- it's historical revisionism for political purposes.
And it's very telling, & sad, that the fantasies are always about European royalty or nobility- really sad internalised racism, where African royalty somehow isn't good enough. And of course you CAN find black/African people in Mediaeval Europe, including Britain, but again, they're not royalty, so clearly they're not good enough either.
Morish are not black they are arabs from the middle east and trust me when I tell you that there is 0 chance for this lady to have any morish blood.
@@chaimadebbabi7849 Exactly my point. The historian used the modern definition of “Black” -rather than the Medieval definition (which could describe anyone from Southern Italian to Moroccan, among others)….Those of African origin were defined differently.
I love Philippa's story especially since it's often forgotten by historians. Her granddaughter through John of Gaunt also was named Philippa and became Queen of Portugal. You should do a video about her granddaughters Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
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My 18th great-grandmother. Go back far enough and we're all related.
Mine too, Cousin!
How are there five different people leaving comments that she is their great-grandmother times between 15 and 20 th
I grew up in Woodstock, CT, settled by people from Woodstock, England. Woodstock,CT was the first Woodstock founded in the United States. I believe there are now 23.
I'm happy to learn that Prince Edward and Phillipa were from Woodstock.
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The amount of children she and William III had, a lot of sons, was also one of the reasons for the War of Roses. That and the financial issues England had after the 100 Years' War and the loss of lands in France. She and Edward are two of my favorites in history.
It's funny, isn't it, how no one considered the number of children would be a problem! And you're right, the financial issues put an enormous strain on the country.
Philippa having dark features as would be considered dark to her very Northern birthplace is really not that strange with a little bit of Turkish ancestry. And all of you to the skin would be perfectly expected at this time. But to say that she was black is absolutely ludicrous. First you must consider that true black skinned persons are actually not well regarded within Islam and certainly would not have have been able to marry into the hierarchy of europe. sub-Saharan African were not accepted as Muslims and in some places they are still not allowed at the most sacred places in islam. So the idea that Queen Philippa was of sub-Saharan black African descent at all is completely ridiculous.
Wonderful history.
Just because Phillipa looks quiet and demure at first glance doesn't mean that she was weak at all. She literally has the heart and courage of a strong and dedicated queen for her husband, her family, and her country. I guess it's true what people say, "Watch out for the nice ones".
I have read other descriptions of how beloved Phillipa was. The King made a pilgrimage with her body and erected stations at each resting point. There is still 1 marker left in London... enroute to her funeral and burial.
I could be wrong, but wasn't that Edward 1st for his wife Eleanor of Castille? Also, we shouldn't forget how much Edward 3rd hurt Philippa by having his mistress, Alice Perrers, at court in later life.
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Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
Wasn’t Philippa also a skilled archer who won an archery contest once.
Since we’re on the subject of the Hundred Years War, have you heard of Jean de Clisson, the Lioness of Brittany.
I don't know about the archery contest - I didn't come across anything about it, but I will do some digging! 🤔
I have heard of Jean de Clisson, but I must admit I don't really know anything about her other than I think she became a pirate/privateer? I am planning on doing a few videos at some point on female pirates, so she might be a good fit for that as well. Thank you for the awesome suggestion, I'll add her to my list! 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I’m definitely looking forward to that. I’ve just finished reading Angus Konstam’s The Pirate World: A History Of The Most Notorious Sea Robbers.
I'm related to her. We both descend from Yolande of Wasseberg.
Brava 😊 Thanks again Miranda ❤ Informative as always, Your work and the passion you exude are much appreciated. Have joined your channel and help others also join to help fund your work as one of the best history channels on RUclips. I wish you all the best in every endeavor 😊
Aww, thank you so much, you are too kind! I'm honestly so pleased you're enjoying the channel, and thank you so much for joining as a member. It's great to have you here! 😊
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. Your history videos are always enjoyable. How are you doing? How is the weather where you are? I'm doing well. We have summer like weather in Ontario, Canada. I was wondering if you could do next video Georgiana Spencer Duchess of Devonshire from the 18th century. If I have anymore ideas I'll give them to you. I forgot to mention queen Catherine Parr henry the eighth sixth wife from the 16th century. Is another historical figure. Have a great day see you next video 😊
Hi Michelle, thank you! I'm doing okay - the weather is pretty wet and miserable here, but it is Britain! 😂 It sounds lovely in Ontario at the moment, hopefully you keep the summery weather for a while.
I promise I'm definitely going to cover Katherine Parr (and the other wives of Henry VIII) in a six-part series at some point, so she is coming up! Georgiana Spencer is on my list as well - a lot happened with her, so she might be a two-part video, or a really long one, but I'll cover her story too!
it it interesting thinking of Queen Guinevere like phillippa espeshcially as Edward the third loved to compare himself to king Arthur.
I do believe she did take hold of a great deal of land through debt and pressure so well behaved but ambitious and effective
Oh, absolutely! You can be ambitious and even ruthless, but make sure you do it with a smile and a kind word! 😅
Apparently she and Edward are my 14th great grandparents on a few limbs. At least on paper. Interesting to think about 🤔
I'll have to go see if you've made a video starring The Black Prince and the Fair Maid of Kent.
Not yet, but they're on my list! 😊
Yeah, eh, no. That "interceding on behalf of others" was more like a good cop, bad cop routine. Things like that were pre-arranged. It allowed Edward to pardon someone (usually in exchange for a large sum of money) without looking like he'd gone soft.
Sometimes, yes, sometimes, no. Obviously large events were likely decided beforehand, but there's plenty of evidence to show Philippa also made decisions in her own right in other cases. Two things can be true at the same time.
Who's the most well-behaved king? Now that would be interesting to know.
Ooh, I like that challenge! I think George III might be a good shout, off the top of my head, or George VI. 🤔
How wonderful. 😮
Philippa had the cultural merit to take a feminine touch to the Court, and therefore to the Country, spreading love for arts, for beauty and for good manners. In a certain sense, she was the first to make the Monarchy fashionable and glamorous. Which is far from being a futile detail, because it's something that enforced the fascination towards the Crown, and therefore its power...
She wasn't black lol she was probably olived skin. You think medieval chronicles wouldnt lose their minds about that!? Lol shes one of my favorite queens. Very traditional and submissive but that's how she got her power. A smart and kind woman. ❤
She's one of my favourites now, too! I didn't really know too much about her before I researched her further, but I actually love how she ruled in her own quiet, soft way - still definitely with a spine made of steel, in my opinion.
I ADORE Phillipa of Hainault!
She seems like such a sweetheart (for a medieval queen!), I think she was brilliant. ☺
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What a lovely telling. I was hoping to hear about the burghers of Calais but sadly, it appears the story is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to include it or not as sometimes I feel like I'm spreading that misinformation more by including it, but I think it's a good story that shows how people viewed her character.
My father had black hair and tannish skin color with blue eyes. I have pale white skin, brown hair and blue eyes. My dad's entire family is 100% French in origin. So is my mother's family as well so I am purely of French origin. I don't really know how my father got his dark black hair color by being a 100% European ancestry from France. I have always been told that I actually look a lot like my father when I was growing up. I did have a light brown blondish hair color when I was around two years old. But as I got older throughout the years my hair had gotten a darker brown color. My skin is very pale white so that I can't get a good tan when out in the sun. My aunts on my mother's side can tan much better than I can. So I mostly burn when in the sun for long periods of time. All since I do have one native American ancestor on my mother's side that dates back to the 17th century in my 12th great grandmother. So I'm pretty much 1% Native American with 99% of my ancestry being European mainly from France. My French ancestors colonized the New France colony which is today Quebec, Canada and the Acadian region of New France as well. Most of my French Acadian ancestry is on my father's side of my family. Most of my direct Acadian ancestors took refuge in Quebec at the end of the French and Indian War in the new world. After they were exiled from their homes in Acadia by the British as Acadian refugees in Quebec. Then soon later my family returned to the area of Acadia to settle in the province of New Brunswick, Canada where most of my father's family still lives today. My father was born in New Brunswick, Canada due to the fact that there was no hospital in Van Buren, Maine where my grandparents lived at the time when my dad was born. My grandfather was born and raised in New Brunswick his entire childhood and he arrived in the United States of America by himself with no high school education at the age of 14 years old. He was the youngest child of his parents out of 11 children where only four boys and three girls lived into adulthood and three boys died in infancy. My grandfather is still living as the last of his immediate family still living today. He's currently 85 years old and he just lost his wife of 66 years of marriage this past October after 7 years battling Parkinson's Disease. They had three girls and one boy during their long marriage of 66 years and their only son is my father. But during my time of doing my research into my family's history I have found that my mom and dad are 9th cousins ironically on several family lines.
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Acadians who have dark brown/black hair and blue eyes are unfortunately a dying breed as their children intermarry outside of their lineage.
Black hair and blue eyed people are very rare. It’s a beautiful combination from old french bloodlines in Brittany and Normandy.
Acadians are wonderful peaceful people - salt of the earth. It’s tragic what happened to them.
If you don’t mind me asking, what are your parents and grandparents last names?
Sounds to me they had olive skin. My sister and grandfather have it too. I’m sure if she had been black or of a darker complexion it would have better described that. The description of the hair would clear that up, right? It says not uncomely my guess meaning straight or loose waves. He didn’t describe black hair.
I'd watch a TV show about these people
So they were the blueprint for jaehaerys and alysanne ❤
The scot king could have been the stark king lol 😂
Philipa may have had Illyrian ancestors. Settling later in Panonia. Unsure not an expert, just curious about the tribe’s destinies and how intermarriages amongst chieftains were political forms of displacements and ethnic absorption by the Roman Empire and church during the Illyrian wars and before.
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The description of brown specifically references to tan skin- someone who has been out in the sun. If she was black there certainly would have been a reference to “moor”. A round the time of Shakespeare Moor’s were often viewed that their character reflected by skin tone.
I am brown of skin, with brown-black eyes... and Asian. I don't don't know how some historians can conclude a person's ethnicity by one description alone, smh.
Because in the case of Philippa of Hainault, we also have very detailed genealogical records for her family, so we know the exact people she was descended from, and where they came from. If her family had been from South-East Asia, that of course would be where we would place her ethnicity, but we know instead that her family were Turkish-Hungarian as well as French and Scandinavian.
Because historians would know the history of their background and Ancestry? LoL
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Considering the description of her hair (is online) I believe Philippa was mixed race with African. Quite a lot on the continent were and if you look, still are. I remember my parents and others saying that the Italians and Latinos in general are often part African.
The mother-in-law of Philippa (Isabella) was the neglected French queen of Braveheart and wife of the gay king who was son of Edward The Longshanks?
Yes, buuuuut....there was an enormous amount of historical liberty taken in that film, so the only 'true' part in it really are the names! For a start, William Wallace was actually executed long before Isabella even came to England, as she was just still a young girl when it happened. ☺
Isn't it true to say that Edward spent a lot of time abroad, and Philippa spent a lot of time pregnant including with babies she didn't manage to carry to full term? (Usual for royals and many of the nobility at the time. Not together often and many pregnancies to various stages).
Seems most people had harsh lives then. Some a lot worse than others but none seems to have had the relatively soft lives of later royals and nobles.
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you would almost think you were talking about lady kate, these days, the two ladies would have a lot in common..................
Severing the skull away from the body it was attached to keeps them from standing back up.
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The Kool-Aid now is that you have to be something other than Northern European, like I am. I suppose the true Romans endured this sort of prejudice too when the Germanic people eclipsed them. My skin kooks pretty bad now because I'm elderly, but I still have my copper hair and steely blue eyes.
Phillipa is described by contemporary’s as having pale blonde hair and fair skin, which is fairly common in the Netherlands even today.
I didn't see any descriptions of her fitting that - could you send me a link to somewhere they're shown/written about? 😊
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Why should two sisters look alike? I am a dead ringer of my mother, a tall brunette. I have her eyes, her nose, her smile her physique while my sister is a short blonde with a hooked nose and completely different eyes and is a dead ringer for my father. The assumption that the sisters would have looked alike is just than, an assumption.
Absolutely! I know a set of twins who get completely disbelieved when they first tell people. One is shorter than the other, one has brown hair and brown eyes, and the other is a red-head with blue eyes. Nature is a funny thing!
Edward had mistresses, so proof that being obedient, gentle and attractive is useless.
Brown of skin must equate, fair skinned...but she had Moor father
Search "Description of Phillipa of Hainault". She was "black". Slightly mixed race but darker than Mediterranean skin. So why do they present her as Mediterranean here, and slender blue eyed blond elsewhere? This doesn't mean that many more royals were black but some definitely were including royals and nobles abroad. The Dutch are known to have a lot of mixed race people including royals. The Bentinck's of Holland were mixed race and some have kept their afro type hair, albeit fair and soft, even to the present day.
Her and Edwards children were mixed race including the actually black prince of Wales, cruel and savage Edward who liked to cut down peasant girls and young women with their babies as they pled for their lives. He was seen to mostly do that in France, when at war there.
Edward and Phillipa didn't "hit it off". Edward's mother decided for him on the grounds that she had wide childbearing hips.
Those royals weren't nice people.
What’s with the Scots Kings’ always attacking England when the kings gone SMH
To be fair, I think England would have done the same had they had the chance! 😂
@@HistorysForgottenPeople good point they would probably look for weaknesses
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Maybe…… 😂
What a difference AI images have made in history channels.
But they had to make the female image on this video with fair skin and blue eyes because most people just cant tolerate the thought of royal blood being non white.
Umm.....she has olive skin and brown eyes, but okay?
But she WAS white
people back then really couldnt draw to save their lives
Some of the figures do come a bit basic-looking! 😂 In fairness, a lot of medieval images, while they're resized larger so we can make out details, were very tiny decorating the margins of bibles, etc. So I suppose part of it might be trying to make these images very tiny, and symbolic more than realistic.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople and possibilities to develop their art more were quite limited at the time I suppose.
History tell alot about culture and their animals he he
Medieval Tinder left a lot to the imagination.
dark is olive skin that gets a tan and almost born with a tan
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So was Winston Churchill 😂😂😂😂😂
If she was actually black they would have described her hair differently. She was most likely of Mediterranean descent. Many Spanish have a darker tone of skin because they were invaded by people of the Middle East around the time of Jesus. Also, if she was black they would have said her skin was "black" not brown.
Well, I agree that they would have described her hair differently, but they probably wouldn't have said 'black' for her skin, only because other words were used at the time, many not now acceptable, some are more acceptable (such as 'Moorish'). I also agree that she likely had a lot of middle-eastern ancestry, especially through her Turkish ancestry. 'Black' was more often than not used to describe anyone, of any skin colour, as having dark colouring, such as black hair, dark brown eyes, etc. As an example, when he fled to Europe, Charles II was described as a 'black man', and as we can see from contemporary portraits, it means he had black hair and dark eyes.
Hispania was a Roman province 2,000 years ago. The invasions from the "Middle East" didn't happen until centuries later. The Goths got there first after the 5th Century and they were from North/Central Europe.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Oh good, you quoted the same description of Charles II that I did somewhere else here, so I definitely wasn't imagining it! He didn't have any recent Middle-Eastern ancestry, & the only Southern European was an Italian great-grandfather, but even so, millions of Northern Europeans have his colouring, me included, & loads of research plus DNA both confirm I'm mostly British, with a bit of _Northern_ Continental European (Jewish, East Europe/Russia, Scandi, Baltic, German).
You could not be more wrong, lol. Where did you hear that? The same place some weirdos on the internet say King James I is also black? No. Not hardly.
No mention of Alice Perrers...
For the question I’m going all superficial lol: how would you “most to least beautiful wife of Henry VIII” go?😭
For me it’s
Anne of Cleves
Katherine of Aragon
Katherine Parr
Katherine Howard
Anne Boleyn
Jane Seymour
I love it! And oh my gosh - I always think Anne of Cleves is the prettiest but no one takes that seriously so thank you for that! 😂 Here's mine:
1. Anne of Cleves (unless Holbein's portrait was WAY off, who knows?)
2. Katherine Parr
3. Anne Boleyn
4. Katherine of Aragon
5. Katherine Howard
6. Jane Seymour (sorry, Jane!)
I would also like to point out that I think Henry VIII was punching above his weight with every single one of these ladies, haha!
@Ifgifu296 I think you nailed it. No argument with your ranking.
So nice to know there’s someone else who thinks Anne of Cleves was pretty! Her portrait is just so lovely. The German headdress is certainly not flattering ( must have been to her) . I think Henry was just humiliated by her. ( though if she’d kissed a stranger , that would have made a scandal.) . I still can’t go past Catherine of Aragon as first, she went through so much but still remained a ‘lady’.n she was noble born, Anne. Funnily enough she would have made an excellent wife to him. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
@@HistorysForgottenPeople ikr! Anne was so damn fine😭 tbh I doubt Holbein was THAT off- he was truly marvellous and didn’t flatter Jane (who was Queen)- why would he do so to a mere candidate? And yea I feel sorry for Jane too but c’est la vie innit? 😭
My top wife (as far as beauty) but also, in every other aspect, too is ALSO Anne of Cleves.
Henry saying she was like a flanders mare or his famous "I like her not", upon their meeting was simply about his pride being DESTROYED due to her not recognizing him in his disguise, and her failure to understand the courtly love attempts. He was so prideful and, growing up "spare" and along with all of the women caused him to be super spoiled and emotional, without being taught sacrifice and control, especially regarding his whims and emotions.
Anyway, my 2nd queen is Katherine of Aragon
3rd Anne Boleyn
4th Catherine Howard
5 Jane Seymour
6 Katherine Parr
She wasn't black. However, many Europeans forget or do not acknowledge that black people come in ALL shades. From the darkest of tones to the palest. There are children who have both black parents and came out looking white. Black people can also have straight noses, blonde hair (tribe in Africa is known for that) and sometimes colored eyes. Still, the Queen was not black.
Well, I can't speak for all Europeans, but certainly in Britain, we are definitely aware that everyone can be all shades and tones possible. We're a melting pot on a fairly small island, so we all live alongside each other!
She most certainly was, considering that black people are, and have always been the majority of the people on the planet. Melanin is a genetic trait so in order for one to have brown or olive complexions one must be descendent from a melanin dominant person.