The key point for more spin on the disc (which often ends up with more distance) is not about fan grip vs power grip. Its about pressing your thumb firmly against your pointer finger. This can be done with both grip types. "Fan pinch" grip gives me a better angle control (putters, mids) while "power pinch" grip gives me a more consistent release point on long distance throws(drivers).
Since the pinch grip focuses on exactly that, it may be a good training practice to switch to pinch for a period of time to improve that lever action out of the hand. Then, when you've got that lever action really nailed down, re-introduce the other grip types to modify other aspects of your throw.
People claim this or that gets them more spin but I always wonder "how would you know?" Sure it feels like it's ripping off your fingers in some new and exciting way but I'm not convinced there's more spin involved. Less spin means more turn (in an understable disc), which can give you the illusion of power. It's easy to throw a disc, have it turn in a way it never has before, and conclude you crushed it, when actually you didn't really throw it faster, you just through it with less spin. Just based on flights, I would not be surprised if the pinch group produces less spin. Forehand is an excellent example of these sort of misleading behaviors. Many people believe forehands have more spin. They don't. They have less. But, due to the feeling of the disc coming out of your hand, and all the deliberate effort you have to put into getting enough spin on a flick, most people are under the false impression that forehands have extra spin. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would like to know how you can tell.
@@FizzyP Forehands do not have more spin, you have to impose the spin yourself by flicking your wrist. It doesn't come natural out of the hand like a back hand. More spin = more distance in every disc, it depends on your angle of release on whether you are getting the full flight out of it. Forehands don't have more turn initially because there is less spin. Most amateurs impose unnecessary torque on the wrong axis causing the disc to flip more. Less spin also doesn't mean there will e more turn, the turn might happen quicker because there's more friction and the disc is slowing down quicker, it will also fade quicker than if you had higher revolutions.
@@FizzyP More spin means the flight characteristics of the disc change, and you can definitely notice that. The spin is what is keeping a disc flat through the air in flight. Without spin the disc would quickly fly off to the left or the right. So more spin makes a disc behave more neutrally stable, while less spin will accentuate either understable or overstable characteristics, depending on the disc and how much speed you can put on the disc. This is why very long throwers can still throw normal discs - generally speaking the faster you can throw the more spin you put on the disc, so their gyroscopic effect is pulling the disc toward neutral while the aerodynamics of the disc push it left or right. Someone who is struggling to get the discs to behave the way they want them to is probably not getting enough spin on the disc for their arm speed. The best way to conceptualize what's happening is to consider a basic spinning top. As long as the top spins fast enough, it stays relatively stable, maybe making small loops but generally staying upright. As the top slows down, it loses that gyroscopic stabilizing effect and starts to lean to the side more and more before finally falling over. Discs do the same thing. The big difference is because the disc is also moving through the air, the effect when it slows down and loses gyroscopic stability is to turn left, and when it speeds up with low gyroscopic stability it turns right. This is why an Innova Leopard can be a 600' pro's favorite lower-speed fairway driver, while a 300' amateur can't throw a leopard because it flips over too easily. The 300' thrower doesn't have enough spin for his arm speed, while the 600' thrower does.
Your video made so much sense to me. I was stuck at around 360-380, rare 400's, but i feel like i can finally get to 400 pretty easily now. Doing a bunch of field work today to test it out! the power grip just always felt wrong. Based on the physics of a gyroscope, which is what a disc is, the more spin, the longer it'll stay in the air. thank you!
While we are in the space of debunking myths. Let's debunk the spin = turn myth. It's quite the opposite, actually. Spin INCREASES stability. Speed INCREASES turn. Think about throwing a driver really spinny but only 100'. It's gonna be overstable. Think of throwing a putter hard but with bad form (no spin) they act much more understable than someone with good spin to counteract the speed. Spin and speed are opposing forces that work together to keep a disc in flight.
I actually noticed this when working on my form the other day. I'm engaging my non throwing arm and getting more whip. I was surprised that my understable discs were holding straight much longer.
Nailed it, Tyler! I'll be making a video on this in the future, but there's speed (directional velocity) and there's spin (rotational velocity) and these features are complementary. Generally speaking you can put force on the disc to increase the travel rate, and torque on it to increase the spin rate. Ideally you put the optimal amount of both on the disc with proper grip and form. Not easy to do.
You have to be very careful what you mean by "spin increases stability". It increases stability in the sense of neutrality, not in the sense of overstability. With a bunch of spin, an overstable disc will fade slower and an understable disc will turn slower. But in both cases they're doing what they already want to do, in a muted way. More spin does not make discs more overstable it just makes them resistant to changing their behavior (i.e. turn and fade resistance).
@@FizzyP yes of course. I typically don't use the word "stable" like a lot of disc golfers. Stable to me is what many call "neutral". Overstable, stable, understable.
@@FizzyP This is correct. It's like the "law of limited returns" and ultimately so long as the disc is spinning fast enough and doesn't exhibit wobble, it'll keep it's expected flight path.
I went out to try this and immediately after the first throw, I noticed that my pointer finger was spewing out a strange sort of metallic tasting red liquid. Upon further inspection, I realized that the tip of my finger actually exploded. So I’ll have to wait for the tip of my finger to grow back. And I’ll go out and try it again. Hopefully I can break that 904’ mark soon! Thanks Overthrow and Iceberg!
i heard scott stoakley saying in his younger days his fingers would bleed if he really blasted a disc. I've certainly felt pain in my finger tips when i really rip one so i guess it's possible.
The disc golf guru of my area explains it like that: The Disc leaving your hand is the last pivot point of your throw (following wrist, elbow...) that excellerates the disc. You can change the lever on that last pivot point depending on where you put the pressure (in reference to your wrist). The lever can be made longer with more potential distance (front loaded - pointer finger & thumb) or shorter with less distance potenciel but more touch (back loaded - palm & other fingers) You can use these different pressure points even without changing the grip (at least if your grip features thumb an pointerfinger close to each other) -excuse my english, not my first language-
Your English is mostly wonderful. Better than many native speakers. The only errors I see are that the spelling of "excellerates" should be "accelerates", and "potenciel" should be "potential". And even those are both phonetically correct. Apart from that, this is impressively written for a second language. 👍
Gaining more distance with this grip is most likely an indicator that we are doing something wrong with the power grip, more than saying that the power grip is fake, but Im definately gonna give this a go as I believe that I dont get the necessary spin with the power grip..
I’ve been using the pinch grip as well recently and noticing I’m getting significantly more spin on the disc. Really noticeable, as you mentioned, with putters and mids. I’m also still working out the kinks, as most of us do anyway, but I also notice that the disc fits more comfortable in my hand as well (I don’t have big or small hands). Keep us informed, this is really intriguing.
I'm playing in a bag tag challenge tomorrow for a local disc golf club. Will be giving the pinch grip some tries to see. I had a lesson and noticed it helped some, so hopefully the new mecs I'm learning along with a pinch grip should get me a bit more distance. I yet to break 300' and I feel i'm just a few tweaks from it
Could you explain a little more? Like how hard are you pinching and exactly where the pinch point is meaning is it the tips of the thumb and index or just where they kind of line up once all of your other fingers are on the disc?
I was only throwing 280' with a power grip, I switched to the pinch grip and immediately started getting 420' consistently. Ive never felt so good! I feel sky high! Thanks a lot!
Power gripper here. I throw 430-450'. It took a while to get here though. I used to throw a 3 finger power grip and could hit over 400' with much worse form. I think I will give the pinch grip with a relaxed power and a pinch grip with fan grip a try to see if I can break 500'. Seems like you would get more spin. I think I really need faster arm speed though.
Let us know how that goes. You seem to have the same numbers I do so I’m very curious. I might be able to get some field work in tomorrow, so I’ll let ya know if it works out for me.
i know one ting when i throw forehand i started recently gripping flight plate first then rim and the flight plate has me throwing it sooo much further and cleaner .. so i know the same must be true for backhand jsut have to find that comfortable flight plate grip for backhand somehow
Are the tip of your pointer finger and the pad of your thumb directly on top of each other? My thumb naturally wants to slide up the disc a bit. Also does the grip feel more or less secure than a traditional power grip for u? Messing around with the grip in my house and it doesn’t feel like I can hold onto the disc without extra effort
Power gripper here the thing think about when you do a power grip is to almost do a pinch grip. You push your thumb down on the flight plate then slide it tight against the rim
The power grip IS the most powerful grip for people who can throw 500+, if you aren't bombing it, pinch grip can get more spin at slower arm speeds. Have a great day!!
In past videos you have said and "shown" you throw 400+. So has the pinch grip really added 50-100 feet to your drives? My throw lacks spin so i will give the pinch grip a try.
Yea, I’m not buying his max distance was 330ft. He has better than decent form and mechanics. Right when he threw his first shot I called bs on the 330ft max distance.
@@albertlongoria4824 i throw 330 max with much worse form then his so if pinch can even push me to 350 i will be happy but this seems super click baity. He threw a wave 400+ in the being explosive video and when he tried the nuke and force he claimed the forehand nuke went 400.
I just started using more thumb pressure with a standard power grip and immediately added 50ish feet to my drives and better accuracy. I can’t wait to try the pinch grip to see if I can get to that elusive 400’ consistent distance!
All this shows is that you dont know how to do the power grip correctly. When simon and drew want max distance they power grip. The reason drew and Simon use the pinch grip is to help power down their shot and make it more controllable.
It's so funny, because I have been a long time subscriber of your channel. I love your content, and your demeanor and approach to just about everything disc golf. I have been hearing and seeing videos after your power grip video, and it makes me chuckle.
I’m obsessed with grip. I take quite a few screen caps when I can see a players hand from underneath. Why? My disc doesn’t sound the same coming out of my hand and my hand looks different on the follow through after the throw. I’ve been using the power grip.
I know an issue I had was getting spin off the pointer finger especially when I used a power grip, I personally have been using a two finger grip myself and really focusing on the thumb push down and that has helped me out tremendously getting 400 to 450.
Hey just a friendly tip. Check out some videos of what your right foot should be doing. You plant it when you’re suppose to be twisting up on your heel. It allows your hips to open and also helps the explosion forward and upward. Check every pros right foot. All the same! It also helps your leg not jam up and it prevents knee injury.
Have you tried "power grip" with 3 fingers? The pinky on there keeps me from snapping it out of my hand for whatever reason, so I adopted a 3 finger power grip, leaving the pinky off for my distance drives and then more of a fan grip for my precision shots.
What do you do when your pinch throw is literally hurting your index finger as you release it? It feels like the disc scrapes the inside of my pointer finger every time I throw and it hurts like a buttcheek
WOW...JUST WOW... BEST SINGLE TIP FOR DISTANCE ... I am fairly new to DG. This is my third summer of throwing, and have steadily gained small steps in distance, and have become pretty accurate and understanding of my bag. I have never felt I had a big arm, even though I am pretty athletic. But this one tip, the " PINCH TYPE GRIP " has immediately allowed me to throw at least 50 feet further with my fairway driver's. I just came in from my first ever throws with the pinch grip, and Wow... Just wow. If you have not tried it, you are missing out on the secret sauce. My furthest throws with my fairway before this was about 325 on average... My first throw, my very first throw with a 168 gram Wraithe measured 372, my best today was 386. I threw 24 throws..
as far as I can see , it's more about it improved your nose angle and may be added a bit of spin . I was currious so I tried it for myself , it works but I have less control of the release point and the distances where about the same ( I trow about 440 - 450 )
Could Jomez Pro, or others put a Slow-Mo camera on the Ground, (Looking Up, at the end of the Tee-Pads)? Then we Could freeze Frame Everyone's Grip........ I basically want to see Simon Lizotte, and James Conrad, and Paul's Grips.
It might not be the actual grip thats the culprit here, check you loose your wrist is with both grips and you might be suprised. I've heard it said many times that if theres something you need to focus on before throwing your drive, its your wrist :) I could be completely wrong though, I'm just a random on the interwebs.
I'm really interested to test this out. Maybe this will be able to help me finally break 450 consistently. My usual bh distance is around 380-400 with the 4 finger grip.
My problem with your videos vs Overthrow's on this is they're using factual information and looking at grip from multiple angles. Yours is just personal opinion, then making a claim that the power grip is fake... Like Overthrow said, youre probably loading your powergrip wrong and not putting it towards the front for additional speed and spin. Far too many big guns on tour use the 3 or 4 finger powergrip for it to be fake.
More spin will make the disc fly more stable. It’s possible you have less spin, giving a bit less stability and more distance. But, it’s more likely that spin is similar and speed is a few mph higher with a bigger hit. Good video.
I think you may have this backwards.. the reason why discs hyzer out at the end of their flight is because it's losing speed and it's spin is decreasing.. a good example is seeing how a "stable" disc flies with a back hand throw compared to the same disc thrown forehand.. often times people find they can "turn" a stable disc forehand because forehand mechanics naturally impart more spin on the disc thus altering its perceived flight characteristics.. take a high speed stable driver and toss it 50ft.. that sucker will hyzer right to the ground.. reason: low speed and less spin..
Yeah I see this said a lot. Online, in person, all over. People get more turn on their disc and more distance and say "I got more spin on it". Don't believe that's usually true. My understanding is the same. Speed = turn. Spin = stability. The spin and the speed are opposing forces that work to keep the disc in the air.
It's also the reason why it's recommended for new players to throw understable disc that turn naturally because newer throwers can't generate power and spin to get a full flight.. until they get obsessed and practice every day.. and start ripping those things.. then understandable discs become rollers..
@@BigFlexy007 agreed. New players tend to "throw" the disc, aka it has speed but no spin so they get OS discs to counteract it. Learning to throw understable teaches you to spin the disc to counteract the speed. Once I learned how to throw an understable midrange (Origin) about 350' I suddenly unlocked a lot of power.
I've been fighting with grips on drivers since I started playing 3 years ago. I've known my grip was holding me back for a couple of years. At 49 years old, I can easily throw mids 300'+ and putters 270'+, but could never get faster discs to go much further than 330'. The physics of this idea made sense, so I went to a local football field to try it out. After 4-5 throws to find my angles, I threw 10 in a row from one goalpost to beyond the next. I'd probably not thrown more than a half dozen over 350' on flat ground ever, and I threw 10 in a row over 360', and not with my longest discs. Thanks to Overthrow and to you for finally pinpointing what I've been trying to find.
I think the reason the pinch is so effective for you is because you are apply more force to the disc. When held correctly the power grip should put more force on the disc especially for higher arm speeds. Also using less fingers on the disc will potentially injure those fingers because the force of the throw is not dispersed between 4 fingers, but only 2.
Amazing! I’ve only been playing for a year with a power grip for drives and I picked up 20-30’ as soon as I switched to this grip. I had tried a fan grip but wasn’t concentrating on holding that pinch throughout the throw. Now I’m starting to get a red mark just under the joint of my index finger which I think is a good thing, even though I don’t throw hard enough to get an audible snap I can feel it ripping out faster.
Spin rates make a huge difference. Simon Lizotte did a video with arm speed and different discs. The other person he had throwing with him had equivalent arm speeds, but was consistently getting out thrown by Simon (most will). Simon generates huge spin rates, causing the disc to stay in the air longer, resulting in greater distance. Now, if you can couple that with increases in arm speed - Look out!
@@Tsukmu You're almost surely right. It definitely seemed like nose angle was the primary problem. Pretty hard to know how much spin affected it considering his nose angle problems.
Well I think that this is both right and wrong at the same time. When you mention Drew Gibson and his pinch grip goes the farthest that is not completely correct because he says that for when he needs to really bomb a disc he uses the 4-finger power grip. Same goes for David Wiggins Jr. (who holds the world distance record). He used the 4-finger power grip for the throws to set that record. My point is; throw how it works for you. For me the 4-finger grip works best because that is more comfortable, and for a friend of mine (who bombs with a regular fan grip) don-t find the 4-finger power grip any comfortable at all. Saying that something is just straight up better than something else when it comes to comfort that varies because of hand size and other variables is in my opinion wrong. I also saw someone else in the comments say something about looseness in the wrist. If one is not loose in the wrist with the 4-finger grip one can try the pinch grip to make the last pivot point smaller with it being between just two fingers instead of in the wrist. No hate though! Only love. And sorry if there is something wrong with my grammar. English is not my first language. :)
Gannon Buhr has also posted a video of his form in slow motion (where he uses the 4-finger grip). Take a look at that video and see how much movement there is in his loose wrist. For those who aren't able to throw with a loose wrist, that is what you will achieve with the pinch grip.
Interesting video. I noticed last week that when I tried to fan grip my fairway drivers for “more control” I had to add more hyzer or they would flip over. I was also releasing with less power and getting the same distance as a power grip.
I watched your first power grip is fake video and that same day I went to try it. I have never in all of my disc golf experience seen such an immediate performance difference. I can usually throw about 20-30% further. I can also fully flip discs like the Rive on 70% power what would take 90% with the power grip. I also find that I have a much more flexible range of angles to throw at while maintaining maximum power
Speed up your footwork and fix your reach back. That will add a lot. The footwork speed up will help your rhythm. Don't want the lower body going slow and then the upper going fast.
I was thinking the same. The power grip might be too tucked and tight for his arm speed so he's getting betterment release pinched but would probably go back to the power grip with a faster arm speed. I used to use this grip when my max was 350 but switched to power as i got better and gained 50+ ft
This would explain why when I would use a fan grip before I would get the same, sometimes more distance. I was using the middle finger as my pinch and the index finger was just kind of there. I'll give both a try again and see the results. Thanks for the video
Technically speaking, you're getting more spin if you are able to use the thumb and index (pointer) finger effectively as a fulcrum. The torque, or rotational velocity that is created, actually acts as a stabilizing factor on the disc in flight. The less spin a disc has, the more susceptible it is to factors like turbulence, thus making the disc less stable, and more prone to losing momentum and changing its flight path. The disc wobbling in the air actually slows it down and will make it fall to the ground much sooner. Also, if you got more speed for the same spin, the disc would be relatively less stable. But generally speaking, more spin equals more stability in fight. So that's likely why you're getting more distance by pinching the disc first, and letting the rest of your fingers grab the disc where comfortable. Shout-out to Tyler Glasgow in the comments who also got this right. On a side note: The traditional power grip (as taught by a lot of people) works best for distance drivers with wide enough rims to where gripping the rim with all 4 fingers provides a lot better grip. The discs with the thinnest rims - putters - typically are the hardest to make that power grip work, which is why a lot of people use more fan-type grips with them. As someone who power grips everything, I've started to experiment with fan-style grips across the board. Coincidentally it mirrors what you're teaching. I've always started with a pinch grip, then let the rest of my fingers grip the disc based on that. But it's starting to evolve more towards a "power fan" grip, and your videos on this has helped to crystalize (for me) what I've been doing. So thank you, Dylan!
I have a pop top Destroyer that I’ve never gotten good spin on and is very understable, and my first couple throws with this grip were wayyyy smoother and flew more overstable!
Love this! I’ve always been confused when watching “how to get more distance” videos where they say to use power grip and then follow that with “but I don’t do that…but you should” 🤔
Discraft just released a video about “how to add distance” you should watch it, 3 of the 4 pros say when they go for max distance they use the power grip, with that said this is why disc golf is amazing, it’s different for everyone, I get 450ft of distance with a power pinch grip and I use the fan pinch grip on all my putters and mids for control
For me it’s the opposite. I threw pinch grip/climo grip for a year and half and a couple months ago switched to power grip and throw way further and more controlled. My pinky lags and stays on the disc too long making me throw right and I don’t get as much spin using pinch grip. Still throw it using putters and beaded mids.
I started doing this in the beginning of the summer and I was gaining about 30-50ft, my mistake was using this grip for any shot over 250ft and after doing it for a month my pointer & middle finger would just ache non stop. So if you use this grip I would recommend limiting it to only bomber throws that you need that lil extra distance on. Maybe its just my weak fingers tho 🤷♂
My favorite course is sadly also a golf course. There is a big storm tomorrow, which means no golfers. I'ma test this out like crazy. This feels like it makes so much sense. Has any of you tried it and noticed that you need to fix new things because of it? (like aiming differently or anything?) Great content
bruh! I just went from 280 consistently to 330 w my mid disc3's. I always felt like the disc never ripped out of my hand like my shots were weak. pinch grip makes me feel like im ripping bullets as soon as i release i notice the speed of the disc has significantly improved! also i feel like the fade in my metal warrior finally showed.
I've found just the opposite to be true. I gained spin and distance moving to a true power trip vs a grip that was somewhere between a power grip and a fan grip. What I think you miss in your two videos on this is that the difference is not in how you place your fingers on the disc but WHERE you are applying pressure with your fingers. If the pressure is applied closer to the thumb, or the leading part of the hand in the throw, then your pivot point is more forward and it is more likely that you will get more spin and potentially a faster release. I think your comment on your previous video "they all do this" is a bit disingenuine. In fact, you reference Drew Gibson's video with Overthrow. In that video, Drew says that he uses the power grip for max distance, not the modified fan grip. Drew has such an elite level of power that he can get more snap and spin applying grip pressure in the middle of his fingers than what most of us can get by having the grip pressure closer to the thumb (or the leading part of the hand in the throw). It isn't a good comparison when he throws 70+ mph and your typical audience is 10-20% slower than that.
Ive been so fckn frustrated with grip since i started back at this last november. Power grip garauntees that im going out of bounds, and probably losing a disc. The power grip is a lie, imo I was also dumb when i decided to practice driving without a walk/run up. Now i can throw 300 from a standstill, but there is zero possibility of getting further. Now ive gotta completely relearn everything because i was an idiot
I think that for you fixing your timing, that is, what your arm is doing while you're going through a proper run up, is going to help you a lot more than a grip change. I would be surprised if there weren't issues with your power grip.
With that amount of distance, I very highly suggest you try the Opto Havoc by Lat64 (haven't tried the Gold one myself so I can't say how those fly). Some hyzer and that power could help you get that 400ft. It helped me.
I ditched the power grip years ago. I can get almost the same distance with a fan grip with WAY more control. Now the only time I use a power grip is when I'm trying to throw a roller.
Thanks for the great video and in-depth look at the power/fan grip. Do you think that a loose pinch/fan grip converts to a power grip at the point of release? I have been working with the pinch and 3-finger grip for the last 2 weeks and it almost feels like all of my fingers are against the rim at the exact moment that the disc rips out of my hand despite using the pinch/fan grip. I find this happens more when I keep the wrist loose and the grip firm but not rock hard. Perhaps it ends up being both in the end?
This is how I've always preferred to grip putters and mids. The fan grip only feels good to me for super low power upshots, and the power grip only feels good on a speed 7 or higher. I've never tried it with a driver or fairway, though. Seeing this, I might have to try it 🤔
I use the almighty "Death Grip" - All 4 fingers curled tightly in with the thumb/index finger pinching tip to tip. I still can only manage to throw 350...😒😂
this is all very unscientific: you only think you have more spin, but in reality you have no clue until you put a sensor onto the disc itself to measure rotation. as for throwing the honey farther, you are so inconsistent, that this may have simply been one of your better launches, and not necessarily due to the disc. the fact that you're admitting you haven't quite got the throw down pat is testament to your inconsistency, and the unreliability of your presumptions and conclusions.
I was stuck at 330-340 feet for a long time but I figured there was nothing to lose truing the pinch grip. Was consistently throwing ~380 in the field with one throw hitting 402 marking my first throw yo ever break 400!
So you are actually not using the "Power Pocket" in most of these throws and it looks like you have an extension of your arm by rolling the disc forward in your grip which would give you more distance just by virtue of lengthening the kinetic chain of your arm. I dont think I can explain the power pocket well in a yt comment, but if you incorporate the power pocket and this new grip you will see a massive breakthrough. Probably jump to 450-460'.
I used the pinch grip for the first time today doing field work and then played a round. Instantly I gained about 40ft of distance and had much more spin on the drivers. Fingers dont hurt at all and I felt like I only had to throw about 70% power to reach 375ft consistently. Not putting all my power into my drives helps to keep the accuracy off the tee. For me this was a total game changer. Thanks for the videos and keep up the great work.
@@SituAsian when i was throwing at field wind was blowing little rigth to left about 5-6m/s, 3-4 miles/s. Old record was little left to rigth about 4m/s, 2,5 miles/s. So wind did help just little bit.
Nothing definitive can be gleaned from your video ... it is entirely possible that because you have convinced yourself a pinch grip will get you more distance that you are subconsciously putting a little more into you throws with that grip, even if your intentions are honest (which I believe you are). There are plenty of bombers out there that use a power grip (see Drew Gibson); if you want to be able to draw real conclusions beyond the anecdotal evidence that the pinch grip works for you, then put together a better experiment. One, measure the weather conditions sessions and lay them side by side (you need wind, temperature, pressure and precipitation to all be as close to identical as possible); two, film yourself from the side and splice together the two experiments (like the ESPN simulcam used to compare 40 times, or put them side by side in slow motion with a timer to the hundredths of a sec) with like discs so you can ensure nothing is changing in your form; three, measure your arm speeds; four measure the distance and compare each disc to itself for each grip.
Only tried it out a little bit today, already gained 50ft on top of my regular 400ft and with much less efforth than usually needed. Much more smooth as well! Thanks a lot!
Disc Golfers Truly Secret Sauce Stuff Here that very little video content covers(80ft personal gain with thumb/grip/pressure changes only). I found gripping techniques to be the biggest immediate game changer for me. 1st year player and was stuck at 270 to 300 frustratingly. Most distance youtube help content just wasn't helping at all . Later I stumbled onto an obscure video about grip/thumb pressure/strength... This is where things started changing for me. Immediately after playing around with grip/thumb pressure, I noticed a much firmer/hard power grip was giving me another ez 30 feet... (300 to 330 avg). Happy with this change it got my brain going... A few weeks later I started trying to tighten my fulcrum of release which aka is really trying to get to a 2 or 3 finger tight fulcrum release with the thumb over top of one of those 2 fingers (Just like this video) Wham bam another 50 ft... And my x-step form is bad and could easily be accused of using too much arm but hey I can continue to work on that but working on that alone was not netting me these results ... not even close... I believe there is a way to obtain the benefits of both grips that I'm dying to try this weekend. Use the 3 to 4 finger power grip with the thumb tight over either the index or middle finger (whatever is comfortable)... The power grip with the palm helps you accelerate the final wrist flick faster than a pinch while still providing strength enough to able to hold onto the disc... So the idea is to use the power grip to get the wrist flick accelerating but release everything but the pinch just prior to the disc ripping out of the pinch... I'm betting this will yield even more distance. Combine this eventually with the eventual perfection of the perfect towel whip release and i bet this is the mystery behind folks i've seen get some serious easy distance with far less that preachingly perfect x-step form.
I really like that, when I use the power grip as it's called, I never feel like it comes out of my hand with good rotation. I'm going to try out the pench grip and I'll comment back
The key point for more spin on the disc (which often ends up with more distance) is not about fan grip vs power grip. Its about pressing your thumb firmly against your pointer finger. This can be done with both grip types. "Fan pinch" grip gives me a better angle control (putters, mids) while "power pinch" grip gives me a more consistent release point on long distance throws(drivers).
Since the pinch grip focuses on exactly that, it may be a good training practice to switch to pinch for a period of time to improve that lever action out of the hand. Then, when you've got that lever action really nailed down, re-introduce the other grip types to modify other aspects of your throw.
People claim this or that gets them more spin but I always wonder "how would you know?" Sure it feels like it's ripping off your fingers in some new and exciting way but I'm not convinced there's more spin involved. Less spin means more turn (in an understable disc), which can give you the illusion of power. It's easy to throw a disc, have it turn in a way it never has before, and conclude you crushed it, when actually you didn't really throw it faster, you just through it with less spin. Just based on flights, I would not be surprised if the pinch group produces less spin. Forehand is an excellent example of these sort of misleading behaviors. Many people believe forehands have more spin. They don't. They have less. But, due to the feeling of the disc coming out of your hand, and all the deliberate effort you have to put into getting enough spin on a flick, most people are under the false impression that forehands have extra spin. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would like to know how you can tell.
@@FizzyP Forehands do not have more spin, you have to impose the spin yourself by flicking your wrist. It doesn't come natural out of the hand like a back hand. More spin = more distance in every disc, it depends on your angle of release on whether you are getting the full flight out of it. Forehands don't have more turn initially because there is less spin. Most amateurs impose unnecessary torque on the wrong axis causing the disc to flip more. Less spin also doesn't mean there will e more turn, the turn might happen quicker because there's more friction and the disc is slowing down quicker, it will also fade quicker than if you had higher revolutions.
@@FizzyP More spin means the flight characteristics of the disc change, and you can definitely notice that.
The spin is what is keeping a disc flat through the air in flight. Without spin the disc would quickly fly off to the left or the right. So more spin makes a disc behave more neutrally stable, while less spin will accentuate either understable or overstable characteristics, depending on the disc and how much speed you can put on the disc. This is why very long throwers can still throw normal discs - generally speaking the faster you can throw the more spin you put on the disc, so their gyroscopic effect is pulling the disc toward neutral while the aerodynamics of the disc push it left or right. Someone who is struggling to get the discs to behave the way they want them to is probably not getting enough spin on the disc for their arm speed.
The best way to conceptualize what's happening is to consider a basic spinning top. As long as the top spins fast enough, it stays relatively stable, maybe making small loops but generally staying upright. As the top slows down, it loses that gyroscopic stabilizing effect and starts to lean to the side more and more before finally falling over.
Discs do the same thing. The big difference is because the disc is also moving through the air, the effect when it slows down and loses gyroscopic stability is to turn left, and when it speeds up with low gyroscopic stability it turns right.
This is why an Innova Leopard can be a 600' pro's favorite lower-speed fairway driver, while a 300' amateur can't throw a leopard because it flips over too easily. The 300' thrower doesn't have enough spin for his arm speed, while the 600' thrower does.
But MJohansen does not pinch thumb and pointer together.
Your video made so much sense to me. I was stuck at around 360-380, rare 400's, but i feel like i can finally get to 400 pretty easily now. Doing a bunch of field work today to test it out! the power grip just always felt wrong. Based on the physics of a gyroscope, which is what a disc is, the more spin, the longer it'll stay in the air. thank you!
Enjoy
While we are in the space of debunking myths. Let's debunk the spin = turn myth. It's quite the opposite, actually. Spin INCREASES stability. Speed INCREASES turn. Think about throwing a driver really spinny but only 100'. It's gonna be overstable. Think of throwing a putter hard but with bad form (no spin) they act much more understable than someone with good spin to counteract the speed. Spin and speed are opposing forces that work together to keep a disc in flight.
I actually noticed this when working on my form the other day. I'm engaging my non throwing arm and getting more whip. I was surprised that my understable discs were holding straight much longer.
Nailed it, Tyler! I'll be making a video on this in the future, but there's speed (directional velocity) and there's spin (rotational velocity) and these features are complementary. Generally speaking you can put force on the disc to increase the travel rate, and torque on it to increase the spin rate. Ideally you put the optimal amount of both on the disc with proper grip and form. Not easy to do.
You have to be very careful what you mean by "spin increases stability". It increases stability in the sense of neutrality, not in the sense of overstability. With a bunch of spin, an overstable disc will fade slower and an understable disc will turn slower. But in both cases they're doing what they already want to do, in a muted way. More spin does not make discs more overstable it just makes them resistant to changing their behavior (i.e. turn and fade resistance).
@@FizzyP yes of course. I typically don't use the word "stable" like a lot of disc golfers. Stable to me is what many call "neutral". Overstable, stable, understable.
@@FizzyP This is correct. It's like the "law of limited returns" and ultimately so long as the disc is spinning fast enough and doesn't exhibit wobble, it'll keep it's expected flight path.
I went out to try this and immediately after the first throw, I noticed that my pointer finger was spewing out a strange sort of metallic tasting red liquid. Upon further inspection, I realized that the tip of my finger actually exploded. So I’ll have to wait for the tip of my finger to grow back. And I’ll go out and try it again. Hopefully I can break that 904’ mark soon! Thanks Overthrow and Iceberg!
i heard scott stoakley saying in his younger days his fingers would bleed if he really blasted a disc. I've certainly felt pain in my finger tips when i really rip one so i guess it's possible.
How much pressure were you using in your 🤏 pinch?
The disc golf guru of my area explains it like that:
The Disc leaving your hand is the last pivot point of your throw (following wrist, elbow...) that excellerates the disc.
You can change the lever on that last pivot point depending on where you put the pressure (in reference to your wrist).
The lever can be made longer with more potential distance (front loaded - pointer finger & thumb) or shorter with less distance potenciel but more touch (back loaded - palm & other fingers)
You can use these different pressure points even without changing the grip (at least if your grip features thumb an pointerfinger close to each other)
-excuse my english, not my first language-
Your English is mostly wonderful. Better than many native speakers. The only errors I see are that the spelling of "excellerates" should be "accelerates", and "potenciel" should be "potential". And even those are both phonetically correct. Apart from that, this is impressively written for a second language. 👍
The advice was good too. :P
I tried it today and when I execute properly, my distance increased. Secondly my accuracy is much better. My scored was the best.
Thats awesome!!
Gaining more distance with this grip is most likely an indicator that we are doing something wrong with the power grip, more than saying that the power grip is fake, but Im definately gonna give this a go as I believe that I dont get the necessary spin with the power grip..
I tried the new grip and added at least 40 feet to my distance. Control of my disc also improved. Thanks for this lesson.
Couldn’t understand instructions, pecker got caught in the ceiling fan again.
I’ve been using the pinch grip as well recently and noticing I’m getting significantly more spin on the disc. Really noticeable, as you mentioned, with putters and mids. I’m also still working out the kinks, as most of us do anyway, but I also notice that the disc fits more comfortable in my hand as well (I don’t have big or small hands). Keep us informed, this is really intriguing.
Will do!!!
Same for me
I'm playing in a bag tag challenge tomorrow for a local disc golf club. Will be giving the pinch grip some tries to see. I had a lesson and noticed it helped some, so hopefully the new mecs I'm learning along with a pinch grip should get me a bit more distance. I yet to break 300' and I feel i'm just a few tweaks from it
Could you explain a little more? Like how hard are you pinching and exactly where the pinch point is meaning is it the tips of the thumb and index or just where they kind of line up once all of your other fingers are on the disc?
When you do this, are you pinching between the flight plate or between the rim?
I was only throwing 280' with a power grip, I switched to the pinch grip and immediately started getting 420' consistently. Ive never felt so good! I feel sky high! Thanks a lot!
Power gripper here. I throw 430-450'. It took a while to get here though. I used to throw a 3 finger power grip and could hit over 400' with much worse form. I think I will give the pinch grip with a relaxed power and a pinch grip with fan grip a try to see if I can break 500'. Seems like you would get more spin. I think I really need faster arm speed though.
Let us know how that goes. You seem to have the same numbers I do so I’m very curious. I might be able to get some field work in tomorrow, so I’ll let ya know if it works out for me.
i know one ting when i throw forehand i started recently gripping flight plate first then rim and the flight plate has me throwing it sooo much further and cleaner .. so i know the same must be true for backhand jsut have to find that comfortable flight plate grip for backhand somehow
Are the tip of your pointer finger and the pad of your thumb directly on top of each other? My thumb naturally wants to slide up the disc a bit. Also does the grip feel more or less secure than a traditional power grip for u? Messing around with the grip in my house and it doesn’t feel like I can hold onto the disc without extra effort
Definitely feels less secure initially. About 50 throws and it felt natural
Power gripper here the thing think about when you do a power grip is to almost do a pinch grip. You push your thumb down on the flight plate then slide it tight against the rim
The power grip IS the most powerful grip for people who can throw 500+, if you aren't bombing it, pinch grip can get more spin at slower arm speeds. Have a great day!!
In past videos you have said and "shown" you throw 400+. So has the pinch grip really added 50-100 feet to your drives? My throw lacks spin so i will give the pinch grip a try.
Yea, I’m not buying his max distance was 330ft. He has better than decent form and mechanics. Right when he threw his first shot I called bs on the 330ft max distance.
@@albertlongoria4824 i throw 330 max with much worse form then his so if pinch can even push me to 350 i will be happy but this seems super click baity. He threw a wave 400+ in the being explosive video and when he tried the nuke and force he claimed the forehand nuke went 400.
I just started using more thumb pressure with a standard power grip and immediately added 50ish feet to my drives and better accuracy. I can’t wait to try the pinch grip to see if I can get to that elusive 400’ consistent distance!
I changed from power to pinch after seeing your video.. instant improvement. Like 6 strokes difference.
All this shows is that you dont know how to do the power grip correctly. When simon and drew want max distance they power grip. The reason drew and Simon use the pinch grip is to help power down their shot and make it more controllable.
It's so funny, because I have been a long time subscriber of your channel. I love your content, and your demeanor and approach to just about everything disc golf. I have been hearing and seeing videos after your power grip video, and it makes me chuckle.
I’m obsessed with grip. I take quite a few screen caps when I can see a players hand from underneath. Why? My disc doesn’t sound the same coming out of my hand and my hand looks different on the follow through after the throw. I’ve been using the power grip.
I know an issue I had was getting spin off the pointer finger especially when I used a power grip, I personally have been using a two finger grip myself and really focusing on the thumb push down and that has helped me out tremendously getting 400 to 450.
Hey just a friendly tip. Check out some videos of what your right foot should be doing. You plant it when you’re suppose to be twisting up on your heel. It allows your hips to open and also helps the explosion forward and upward. Check every pros right foot. All the same! It also helps your leg not jam up and it prevents knee injury.
Look at Ricky wysocki preserve all shots 2021 to see what I mean
Have you tried "power grip" with 3 fingers? The pinky on there keeps me from snapping it out of my hand for whatever reason, so I adopted a 3 finger power grip, leaving the pinky off for my distance drives and then more of a fan grip for my precision shots.
What do you do when your pinch throw is literally hurting your index finger as you release it? It feels like the disc scrapes the inside of my pointer finger every time I throw and it hurts like a buttcheek
Hey man, good video. How close to rim are you pinching? Is there a gap?
I don't know if this video counts with a BLATANT foot fault @4:03
Even on my farthest drives I have weak spin. Looking forward to trying this.
WOW...JUST WOW... BEST SINGLE TIP FOR DISTANCE ... I am fairly new to DG. This is my third summer of throwing, and have steadily gained small steps in distance, and have become pretty accurate and understanding of my bag. I have never felt I had a big arm, even though I am pretty athletic. But this one tip, the " PINCH TYPE GRIP " has immediately allowed me to throw at least 50 feet further with my fairway driver's. I just came in from my first ever throws with the pinch grip, and Wow... Just wow. If you have not tried it, you are missing out on the secret sauce. My furthest throws with my fairway before this was about 325 on average... My first throw, my very first throw with a 168 gram Wraithe measured 372, my best today was 386. I threw 24 throws..
as far as I can see , it's more about it improved your nose angle and may be added a bit of spin . I was currious so I tried it for myself , it works but I have less control of the release point and the distances where about the same ( I trow about 440 - 450 )
440-450. Damn that's a tight window. What happens when you run into a 439' hole? Just ace run it and then make the putt from behind?
@@FizzyP I am talking about max distance drive 😉
Could Jomez Pro, or others put a Slow-Mo camera on the Ground, (Looking Up, at the end of the Tee-Pads)? Then we Could freeze Frame Everyone's Grip........ I basically want to see Simon Lizotte, and James Conrad, and Paul's Grips.
Love it. You have provided solid evidence in favor of the Pinch Grip. Nice..
I've said this from the beginning of my disc golf journey, why do we have to have 4 fingers on the rim for backhand and not forehand
It might not be the actual grip thats the culprit here, check you loose your wrist is with both grips and you might be suprised. I've heard it said many times that if theres something you need to focus on before throwing your drive, its your wrist :) I could be completely wrong though, I'm just a random on the interwebs.
I'm really interested to test this out. Maybe this will be able to help me finally break 450 consistently. My usual bh distance is around 380-400 with the 4 finger grip.
this is exactly me. i want to throw 450 when i want to... and then push a 500ft shot as well with a good shot.
If it doesn’t try 3 finger power grip no pinkie, also pine tar gave me a extra 30 feet and it’s legal. 30 pine tar +30 3 finger that 60 feet 😎
My problem with your videos vs Overthrow's on this is they're using factual information and looking at grip from multiple angles. Yours is just personal opinion, then making a claim that the power grip is fake...
Like Overthrow said, youre probably loading your powergrip wrong and not putting it towards the front for additional speed and spin. Far too many big guns on tour use the 3 or 4 finger powergrip for it to be fake.
More spin will make the disc fly more stable. It’s possible you have less spin, giving a bit less stability and more distance. But, it’s more likely that spin is similar and speed is a few mph higher with a bigger hit. Good video.
I think you may have this backwards.. the reason why discs hyzer out at the end of their flight is because it's losing speed and it's spin is decreasing.. a good example is seeing how a "stable" disc flies with a back hand throw compared to the same disc thrown forehand.. often times people find they can "turn" a stable disc forehand because forehand mechanics naturally impart more spin on the disc thus altering its perceived flight characteristics.. take a high speed stable driver and toss it 50ft.. that sucker will hyzer right to the ground.. reason: low speed and less spin..
Yeah I see this said a lot. Online, in person, all over. People get more turn on their disc and more distance and say "I got more spin on it". Don't believe that's usually true. My understanding is the same. Speed = turn. Spin = stability. The spin and the speed are opposing forces that work to keep the disc in the air.
It's also the reason why it's recommended for new players to throw understable disc that turn naturally because newer throwers can't generate power and spin to get a full flight.. until they get obsessed and practice every day.. and start ripping those things.. then understandable discs become rollers..
Just one question. How can you have a lot of speed and low spin? Seems they would go up together..
@@BigFlexy007 agreed. New players tend to "throw" the disc, aka it has speed but no spin so they get OS discs to counteract it. Learning to throw understable teaches you to spin the disc to counteract the speed. Once I learned how to throw an understable midrange (Origin) about 350' I suddenly unlocked a lot of power.
Are you pinching on the flight plate or the rim?
I’ve been wondering the same, tho in theory it shouldn’t really matter
I gotta go thumb and middle finger lol. Small hand problems
I've been fighting with grips on drivers since I started playing 3 years ago.
I've known my grip was holding me back for a couple of years. At 49 years old, I can easily throw mids 300'+ and putters 270'+, but could never get faster discs to go much further than 330'.
The physics of this idea made sense, so I went to a local football field to try it out. After 4-5 throws to find my angles, I threw 10 in a row from one goalpost to beyond the next.
I'd probably not thrown more than a half dozen over 350' on flat ground ever, and I threw 10 in a row over 360', and not with my longest discs.
Thanks to Overthrow and to you for finally pinpointing what I've been trying to find.
I think the reason the pinch is so effective for you is because you are apply more force to the disc. When held correctly the power grip should put more force on the disc especially for higher arm speeds.
Also using less fingers on the disc will potentially injure those fingers because the force of the throw is not dispersed between 4 fingers, but only 2.
You can also catch your finger on the rim leading to injury
I dont think you will get an injury throwing with less fingers. Robbie braton used to throw with only 2 fingers and he could bomb
Whatever the grip there should always be a pinch point. The grip should not be dispersed evenly between all fingers.
Amazing! I’ve only been playing for a year with a power grip for drives and I picked up 20-30’ as soon as I switched to this grip. I had tried a fan grip but wasn’t concentrating on holding that pinch throughout the throw. Now I’m starting to get a red mark just under the joint of my index finger which I think is a good thing, even though I don’t throw hard enough to get an audible snap I can feel it ripping out faster.
Spin rates make a huge difference. Simon Lizotte did a video with arm speed and different discs. The other person he had throwing with him had equivalent arm speeds, but was consistently getting out thrown by Simon (most will). Simon generates huge spin rates, causing the disc to stay in the air longer, resulting in greater distance. Now, if you can couple that with increases in arm speed - Look out!
The other guy just had poor nose angle and threw with a lot of air bounce. It was not the spin that was the problem in that video.
I remember that video! Should have started throwing like simon back then
@@Tsukmu You're almost surely right. It definitely seemed like nose angle was the primary problem. Pretty hard to know how much spin affected it considering his nose angle problems.
Well I think that this is both right and wrong at the same time. When you mention Drew Gibson and his pinch grip goes the farthest that is not completely correct because he says that for when he needs to really bomb a disc he uses the 4-finger power grip. Same goes for David Wiggins Jr. (who holds the world distance record). He used the 4-finger power grip for the throws to set that record. My point is; throw how it works for you. For me the 4-finger grip works best because that is more comfortable, and for a friend of mine (who bombs with a regular fan grip) don-t find the 4-finger power grip any comfortable at all. Saying that something is just straight up better than something else when it comes to comfort that varies because of hand size and other variables is in my opinion wrong.
I also saw someone else in the comments say something about looseness in the wrist. If one is not loose in the wrist with the 4-finger grip one can try the pinch grip to make the last pivot point smaller with it being between just two fingers instead of in the wrist.
No hate though! Only love.
And sorry if there is something wrong with my grammar. English is not my first language. :)
Gannon Buhr has also posted a video of his form in slow motion (where he uses the 4-finger grip). Take a look at that video and see how much movement there is in his loose wrist. For those who aren't able to throw with a loose wrist, that is what you will achieve with the pinch grip.
I think the way I do a power grip I kinda pinch it a little, so it works in the same way.
Interesting video. I noticed last week that when I tried to fan grip my fairway drivers for “more control” I had to add more hyzer or they would flip over. I was also releasing with less power and getting the same distance as a power grip.
I watched your first power grip is fake video and that same day I went to try it. I have never in all of my disc golf experience seen such an immediate performance difference. I can usually throw about 20-30% further. I can also fully flip discs like the Rive on 70% power what would take 90% with the power grip. I also find that I have a much more flexible range of angles to throw at while maintaining maximum power
You will get more distance if you don't start with the disc behind you. Do like a golf swing to twist your hips back further
It all makes a lot of sense!! Will have to try this out🙌🏻
Speed up your footwork and fix your reach back. That will add a lot. The footwork speed up will help your rhythm. Don't want the lower body going slow and then the upper going fast.
Yep thats the next step!
I was thinking the same. The power grip might be too tucked and tight for his arm speed so he's getting betterment release pinched but would probably go back to the power grip with a faster arm speed. I used to use this grip when my max was 350 but switched to power as i got better and gained 50+ ft
This would explain why when I would use a fan grip before I would get the same, sometimes more distance. I was using the middle finger as my pinch and the index finger was just kind of there. I'll give both a try again and see the results. Thanks for the video
Technically speaking, you're getting more spin if you are able to use the thumb and index (pointer) finger effectively as a fulcrum. The torque, or rotational velocity that is created, actually acts as a stabilizing factor on the disc in flight. The less spin a disc has, the more susceptible it is to factors like turbulence, thus making the disc less stable, and more prone to losing momentum and changing its flight path. The disc wobbling in the air actually slows it down and will make it fall to the ground much sooner. Also, if you got more speed for the same spin, the disc would be relatively less stable. But generally speaking, more spin equals more stability in fight. So that's likely why you're getting more distance by pinching the disc first, and letting the rest of your fingers grab the disc where comfortable. Shout-out to Tyler Glasgow in the comments who also got this right.
On a side note: The traditional power grip (as taught by a lot of people) works best for distance drivers with wide enough rims to where gripping the rim with all 4 fingers provides a lot better grip. The discs with the thinnest rims - putters - typically are the hardest to make that power grip work, which is why a lot of people use more fan-type grips with them. As someone who power grips everything, I've started to experiment with fan-style grips across the board. Coincidentally it mirrors what you're teaching. I've always started with a pinch grip, then let the rest of my fingers grip the disc based on that. But it's starting to evolve more towards a "power fan" grip, and your videos on this has helped to crystalize (for me) what I've been doing. So thank you, Dylan!
I have a pop top Destroyer that I’ve never gotten good spin on and is very understable, and my first couple throws with this grip were wayyyy smoother and flew more overstable!
Love this! I’ve always been confused when watching “how to get more distance” videos where they say to use power grip and then follow that with “but I don’t do that…but you should” 🤔
Discraft just released a video about “how to add distance” you should watch it, 3 of the 4 pros say when they go for max distance they use the power grip, with that said this is why disc golf is amazing, it’s different for everyone, I get 450ft of distance with a power pinch grip and I use the fan pinch grip on all my putters and mids for control
And gossage uses 2 fingers, i believe that for power any front loaded grip works. This can be a pinch grip or a front loaded power grip
Maybe FAKE is not an the best word. Maybe Power vs. Pinch grip? Finding the best grip for your throwing motion.
Throwing form is a better part of your game to focus on, not the grip as much.
I understand what you mean, but isn't grip still part of form?
I’m getting hand/grip fatigue pretty fast with this pinch grip. I must have weak hands
For me it’s the opposite. I threw pinch grip/climo grip for a year and half and a couple months ago switched to power grip and throw way further and more controlled. My pinky lags and stays on the disc too long making me throw right and I don’t get as much spin using pinch grip. Still throw it using putters and beaded mids.
I started doing this in the beginning of the summer and I was gaining about 30-50ft, my mistake was using this grip for any shot over 250ft and after doing it for a month my pointer & middle finger would just ache non stop. So if you use this grip I would recommend limiting it to only bomber throws that you need that lil extra distance on. Maybe its just my weak fingers tho 🤷♂
My favorite course is sadly also a golf course. There is a big storm tomorrow, which means no golfers. I'ma test this out like crazy. This feels like it makes so much sense. Has any of you tried it and noticed that you need to fix new things because of it? (like aiming differently or anything?)
Great content
I cannot wait to get out to the field and try this out. You really can hear the disc rip out of your hand.
Didn’t know you were in CLT. Subbed. Howdy neighbor
bruh! I just went from 280 consistently to 330 w my mid disc3's. I always felt like the disc never ripped out of my hand like my shots were weak. pinch grip makes me feel like im ripping bullets as soon as i release i notice the speed of the disc has significantly improved! also i feel like the fade in my metal warrior finally showed.
Great stuff. Gonna give it a try ☺️
I've found just the opposite to be true. I gained spin and distance moving to a true power trip vs a grip that was somewhere between a power grip and a fan grip. What I think you miss in your two videos on this is that the difference is not in how you place your fingers on the disc but WHERE you are applying pressure with your fingers. If the pressure is applied closer to the thumb, or the leading part of the hand in the throw, then your pivot point is more forward and it is more likely that you will get more spin and potentially a faster release. I think your comment on your previous video "they all do this" is a bit disingenuine. In fact, you reference Drew Gibson's video with Overthrow. In that video, Drew says that he uses the power grip for max distance, not the modified fan grip. Drew has such an elite level of power that he can get more snap and spin applying grip pressure in the middle of his fingers than what most of us can get by having the grip pressure closer to the thumb (or the leading part of the hand in the throw). It isn't a good comparison when he throws 70+ mph and your typical audience is 10-20% slower than that.
Ive been so fckn frustrated with grip since i started back at this last november.
Power grip garauntees that im going out of bounds, and probably losing a disc.
The power grip is a lie, imo
I was also dumb when i decided to practice driving without a walk/run up. Now i can throw 300 from a standstill, but there is zero possibility of getting further.
Now ive gotta completely relearn everything because i was an idiot
It def snapping! 👍
I hate to throw this out there, but hand size also dictates grip. Just sayin'.
I think that for you fixing your timing, that is, what your arm is doing while you're going through a proper run up, is going to help you a lot more than a grip change. I would be surprised if there weren't issues with your power grip.
With that amount of distance, I very highly suggest you try the Opto Havoc by Lat64 (haven't tried the Gold one myself so I can't say how those fly). Some hyzer and that power could help you get that 400ft. It helped me.
just hyzer flip a shryke and get 430
I ditched the power grip years ago. I can get almost the same distance with a fan grip with WAY more control. Now the only time I use a power grip is when I'm trying to throw a roller.
Awesome, can’t wait to try this!!
Thanks for the great video and in-depth look at the power/fan grip. Do you think that a loose pinch/fan grip converts to a power grip at the point of release? I have been working with the pinch and 3-finger grip for the last 2 weeks and it almost feels like all of my fingers are against the rim at the exact moment that the disc rips out of my hand despite using the pinch/fan grip. I find this happens more when I keep the wrist loose and the grip firm but not rock hard. Perhaps it ends up being both in the end?
This is how I've always preferred to grip putters and mids. The fan grip only feels good to me for super low power upshots, and the power grip only feels good on a speed 7 or higher. I've never tried it with a driver or fairway, though. Seeing this, I might have to try it 🤔
I use the almighty "Death Grip" - All 4 fingers curled tightly in with the thumb/index finger pinching tip to tip.
I still can only manage to throw 350...😒😂
That's a good name for it. Never had luck with this grip unless throwing hyzer of anny.
Throw that mamba with a power grip on a big hyzer with a fast reach back that's how I get the most distance and accuracy.
this is all very unscientific: you only think you have more spin, but in reality you have no clue until you put a sensor onto the disc itself to measure rotation. as for throwing the honey farther, you are so inconsistent, that this may have simply been one of your better launches, and not necessarily due to the disc. the fact that you're admitting you haven't quite got the throw down pat is testament to your inconsistency, and the unreliability of your presumptions and conclusions.
Pick up a scorch or a nuke ss bro. Ez distance with your power
Keep the pinch, remove the pinky all together and mush the other 2 fingers in.
For a true test, you should throw both grips on the same day to match conditions.
You did not throw the power grip so you did not compare the 2 diffrent grips
There are more ways for you to improve distance with your form as well. Looks painful when you throw.
I was stuck at 330-340 feet for a long time but I figured there was nothing to lose truing the pinch grip. Was consistently throwing ~380 in the field with one throw hitting 402 marking my first throw yo ever break 400!
Nice work!!!
450 inbound !
Heckkk yea
So you are actually not using the "Power Pocket" in most of these throws and it looks like you have an extension of your arm by rolling the disc forward in your grip which would give you more distance just by virtue of lengthening the kinetic chain of your arm. I dont think I can explain the power pocket well in a yt comment, but if you incorporate the power pocket and this new grip you will see a massive breakthrough. Probably jump to 450-460'.
I used the pinch grip for the first time today doing field work and then played a round. Instantly I gained about 40ft of distance and had much more spin on the drivers. Fingers dont hurt at all and I felt like I only had to throw about 70% power to reach 375ft consistently. Not putting all my power into my drives helps to keep the accuracy off the tee. For me this was a total game changer. Thanks for the videos and keep up the great work.
Yeah great! Now my discs fly about 30 feet longer and I have to re learn my bag... But seriously, Thank You for this information!
No problem! Its helped me also
My old record whit power grip was 127m/417ft. I got today whit pinch grip/fan grip 138m/453ft. Thank you so much for this information!
Hot dang! Thats a big improvement
Today was a very windy day in Finland. Did you throw your discs in a tailwind?
@@SituAsian when i was throwing at field wind was blowing little rigth to left about 5-6m/s, 3-4 miles/s. Old record was little left to rigth about 4m/s, 2,5 miles/s. So wind did help just little bit.
Great video!
Nothing definitive can be gleaned from your video ... it is entirely possible that because you have convinced yourself a pinch grip will get you more distance that you are subconsciously putting a little more into you throws with that grip, even if your intentions are honest (which I believe you are). There are plenty of bombers out there that use a power grip (see Drew Gibson); if you want to be able to draw real conclusions beyond the anecdotal evidence that the pinch grip works for you, then put together a better experiment. One, measure the weather conditions sessions and lay them side by side (you need wind, temperature, pressure and precipitation to all be as close to identical as possible); two, film yourself from the side and splice together the two experiments (like the ESPN simulcam used to compare 40 times, or put them side by side in slow motion with a timer to the hundredths of a sec) with like discs so you can ensure nothing is changing in your form; three, measure your arm speeds; four measure the distance and compare each disc to itself for each grip.
Only tried it out a little bit today, already gained 50ft on top of my regular 400ft and with much less efforth than usually needed. Much more smooth as well! Thanks a lot!
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Disc Golfers Truly Secret Sauce Stuff Here that very little video content covers(80ft personal gain with thumb/grip/pressure changes only).
I found gripping techniques to be the biggest immediate game changer for me. 1st year player and was stuck at 270 to 300 frustratingly. Most distance youtube help content just wasn't helping at all . Later I stumbled onto an obscure video about grip/thumb pressure/strength... This is where things started changing for me. Immediately after playing around with grip/thumb pressure, I noticed a much firmer/hard power grip was giving me another ez 30 feet... (300 to 330 avg).
Happy with this change it got my brain going... A few weeks later I started trying to tighten my fulcrum of release which aka is really trying to get to a 2 or 3 finger tight fulcrum release with the thumb over top of one of those 2 fingers (Just like this video) Wham bam another 50 ft... And my x-step form is bad and could easily be accused of using too much arm but hey I can continue to work on that but working on that alone was not netting me these results ... not even close...
I believe there is a way to obtain the benefits of both grips that I'm dying to try this weekend. Use the 3 to 4 finger power grip with the thumb tight over either the index or middle finger (whatever is comfortable)... The power grip with the palm helps you accelerate the final wrist flick faster than a pinch while still providing strength enough to able to hold onto the disc... So the idea is to use the power grip to get the wrist flick accelerating but release everything but the pinch just prior to the disc ripping out of the pinch... I'm betting this will yield even more distance. Combine this eventually with the eventual perfection of the perfect towel whip release and i bet this is the mystery behind folks i've seen get some serious easy distance with far less that preachingly perfect x-step form.
Don't Google just pinch grip unless you wanna see some nasty pictures.
I really like that, when I use the power grip as it's called, I never feel like it comes out of my hand with good rotation. I'm going to try out the pench grip and I'll comment back
Let me know!