As a fairly new player it sucks when so many RUclips videos are contradicting to each other. I'm happy that a few seasoned players directed me here as it shows you guys have done your homework. Thanks for the tips!
This is Overthrow Disc Golf's first rap beef rivalry. Dude was spittin' bars! Keep it up. Love the content. P.S. I have a backloaded grip and always thought I was a weirdo. Thanks for the explanation.
This video, made me realize I've been throwing exclusively with a backloaded grip, wondering why I can't get a disc to flip reliably. I didn't even understand what you were talking about so I grabbed a disc, and as soon as i gripped it I understood and it makes a ton of sense. Valuable info, subscribed.
Dude. Wow. This is really well done. Scott Stokely and yourself both put together some truly appreciated content in response to that other channel. You went above and beyond in describing the fundamentals of what went wrong with his grip. I'm years behind on a lot of terminology and front loaded-mid loaded makes so much sense. Gonna definitely use that.
Thank you for calling out his video! That was definitely needed. It was so frustrating watching him say that Simon and Drew use a pinch grip for power shots. When it reality they use it to power down and be more controllable.
I saw the other video you refered to and thought i give it a go. I threw 4 finger powergrip before and did not get enough spin on the disc. I tried what he said and it worked somewhat for me. Today i went to the field and treid what felt right for me. Found something that worked. As i come home i see your video exactly explaining what made the grip i found for me today working :)
Bravo! I have never thought about grip being front loaded vs back loaded and I'm a 999 rated player of 13 years. But, I have been stumbling upon this discovery recently as well. Noticing that there's a difference in grip in a tunnel control shot (back/mid grip) vs a distance shot (front). This has been very eye opening! I'm excited to work on this. Thanks!!!!
This is also to say, it's taken me 13 years to try tweaking this. This information could be gold to some young new players in the early developmental stages. Bc I feel that when you find a grip (4 finger mid/back loaded power grip for me).. then a player tends to not change it, but everything else they focus on. But, I was curious after tweaking form. Why does it feel internally like I'm not generating the "juice" at the end of the whip? I thought.. maybe my 4 fingers are slowing the rotation of the disc micro-seconds before release.. I think there's validity in that. Then you mentioned: focus on being "front loaded" for power, I'd agree.
I'm with you. I peaked at 997 so far and I have been playing 17 years... And I never found a way to as clearly describe why I throw both a modified-fan and a power grip.
@@truynmosher9143 i throw with three fingers because i expiremented with grips but its basically the pinch. and theres def more snap only been playing for 1.5 years consistently but found the game around 2013
Thank you for sorting that out. I thought these IB videos “The Power Grip is Fake” were click bait. His reasoning was half baked. I long ago came to this realize that a fan type grip gave more control and a power grip gave more distance. But if you throw it for a long time you can have control with your power grip. I can even putt with it.
I’ve struggled to throw 300’. The concept of the disk pivoting around a pinch point as part of the throw was a revelation. As soon as I let this happen by using a two finger and thumb pinch grip I was getting 300’ with very little effort. My accuracy degraded but wow. So now I have to figure out a grip that gives me better accuracy and consistency with a clean pivot action.
Thank you for this. I tried the pinch modified fan grip they were talking about Saturday on a pretty open course. I immediately felt like I had no idea where anything was going, as I suddenly was not getting clean releases, and I was not gaining any distance, either. I played around with my grip during the round a bit, and the one drive I felt good about was on the last hole with my regular grip. My regular grip now, thanks to this video for the words to articulate it correctly, is a front-loaded power grip. I spent a lot of time at the beginning of this season trying to improve, and grip was a big thing I worked on. My previous grip was super comfy and super controllable: It was a back-loaded 3-finger power grip with my pointer finger just resting over the rim. When I switched and got comfortable with getting that pointer finger in on it and putting pressure through with it, I did gain pretty immediate distance (and I eventually got back the amount of control I had previously had). I'd wager real money you were dead-on: He was using a back-loaded comfy version of a power grip, and front-loading is what made the difference.
There has to be something to this though.. I took the pinching advice yesterday and played 3 full 18 rounds of disc golf and got the most distance and best score I've ever had on the last round ! I will never go back now to power grip and pinch with the fulcrum literally makes the most sense! I'm thankful for the iceberg video! Finally somehow showing what the pros are doing instead of teaching what they teach which is something they don't even throw... Tbh that's really confusing and why you're the best ! Keep being you brother
It’s like tiger woods said “swing as hard as you can, now swing at %70 to stay in balance and hit more fairways ” these pros throw so much farther than us they don’t throw at %100 all the time which is why they don’t always need max spin or speed. That’s why we see pro using fan grip sometimes to throw 400ft because if they go full power they throw over 500ft. The grip explanation of front loaded vs back loaded makes so much sense that something I want to work on. Keep up the good work!! Love the videos!!
Thanks for making this video. I was genuinely confused when i watched the iceberg video a few days ago. Just didn’t make sense to me. Thanks for clarifying (and correcting). You guys rock. You’re not only instructing on “how” to grip - but, more importantly, you focus on “why” certain techniques are advantageous.
Im having issues with power and getting grip, this video has helped me reinvent my grip... I am a constant work in progress, OT video are helpful, he's like a wizard with his tutorials here! Thanks!
This has been my experience. I power gripped all shots but was mid loaded because i felt it helped my nose angle. As my form got better I front loaded and still had good nose angle and now I’m throwing well over 400’ with consistency. Good video OT!
No one really explained different grips, or front/mid loading the disc to me before.. it really makes sense though. Very detailed explanation, thank you! Looking forward to trying this out.
Hey guys....so I watched the other video and played a round yesterday with the goal of using the "front loaded" grip for the entire round. Just some quick background. I've been playing for 1.5 yrs and throw 300 ft max. The course I played has both wooded and field holes. I have to say you hit it right on the nose. After about the first 6 holes I noticed myself naturally moving toward my more traditional "mid loaded" grip for gaps I needed to hit. But in those field I was able to sneak out an additional 50 ft of distance with the front loaded grip. When I watched your video it made total sense why I was making the change and could not agree more on your explanation. Keep up the great work and as always keep slinging em' with different grips!!
The BEST explanation of grip period. What else needs to be said by me? Nothing, you said it all. Thanks again for sharing this wonderful information with us all. 😎
Please do a video on the deep flight plate thumb. How is it not better to use that thumb forward to better pinch the front pivot? I've seen shots where it seems like half their palm is on top of the disc and they throw it 600ft. How is that possible? The disc just gets awkwardly torqued and crushed if I try anything that looks remotely similar since the fingers and thumb/palm don't align.
I think the issue for people coming into disc golf is the term Grip. When hearing grip you want to hold on tightly. It is the amount of pressure they are trying to work out by going to a power grip or fan grip. Could you communicate or equate the amount of pressure being used?
Phenomenal, you just explained that in a way that even I, as a beginner-intermediate player, can understand. The concept of grip loading procedures. This will definitely help me achieve more consistent distance. Can you please do a video for a forehand grips, and where to apply pressure in the grip? My backhand max is probably 460 feet and forehand maybe 425 feet. I’ve never front loaded a disc or tried a finger hook. Only a modified fan grip. I threw 92 mph when I was in high school, so I know I’ve got the arm for it, but I’m 39 and running out of time. The window closes fast and old man time never stops chasing! Time evaporates, and I just want to say thank you for all of your videos and your dedication! The videos and the content are top notch. Thank you for your time sir!
I saw that dudes first video and started thinking that I had missed something so I modified my grip over the course of playing all weekend. To be frank I couldn’t throw it full force with that grip as it kept flying out way too early. So I decided that the dude was probably misunderstanding what was happening. Basically, I figured out that the most important thing about that grip was the pinch up front. It did indeed help me turn over discs easier but now that I’ve seen this video I realize that I had only figured out half the puzzle at best. Thanks for clarifying. Btw the only reason I gave the dude the time of day was because he was referencing this channel. So it was good to see a reply.
Holy crap, watching this video then going out and moving my thumb more towards the center of the disk literally added +50 feet to my throw. I was at a point where I couldn't break 300 consistently, today I threw 350. I am so excited right now. Now I need to learn how to control it though because I'm all over the place again.
We are big fans of all of these form and instructional videos. Filming so many pros we have noticed that quite a few of them will use modified fan grips for a large percentage of their shots. Mainly because they have such huge distance, they are more worried about control and accuracy. We did a mic'd up round with Ricky Wysocki and he said that he throws EVERY shot with a modified fan grip. He also has huge hands so that may also be a comfort thing. Keep it up guys. Loving all of the content!
Interesting! It appears I misspoke on Ricky here then. I would be super interested to see all of the pros grips. I envy your footage and proximity to this information lol
@@OverthrowDiscGolf well like we said, we are digging the content you’re putting out as well. If you guys are ever at any of the events that we are at, we’d love to meet and share some ideas and food perhaps.
I have been experimenting with that for a longer time. I think a two (three) finger pinch can help a lot to concentrate on the release point and what is actually happening. Maybe you learn for the first time that you don't throw the disc but you let it pivot ouf the hand. Also the front and backloaded grip can have a huge impact on spin and noseangle. So i recommend a lot doing a lot of changes and try out what feels good or weird, what gives more distance or later fade (=more spin)
@overthrowdiscgolf I love what y’all are coaching with respect to the pinch point, I’ve gotten much cleaner releases and more distance with this focus. One thing I see a lot of from big power throwers is a deep thump position towards the middle of the flightpath, how do you get a good pinch point this way?
Wow! I've been backloading my grip as described @ 4:10 and have recently wondered why my discs don't seem to go as far or spin as much as other people in my league and I think grip loading might be worth checking out. I backload a four-finger grip on teeshots and then tend to midload a four-finger grip for approach. This control vs. power and frontload vs. backload concept is pretty cool to work with and I look forward to exploring it more
Josh, what's the reason for getting the thumb that far over across the flight plate? I originally learned with thumb over the place where the flight plate meets the inside edge of the rim. Lately I was working on disc down, held it up in the desired position like you taught, and found out that with the thumb about a thumb's width into the flight plate from my old position, with the pouring-the-tea wrist, this moved it into a disc-down position, which proved to work quite well in consistently getting it disc down in throws. So I'm wondering about the way-over thumb position. BTW I'm in my mid-60''s, and thx to you throw about 320 feet with the form you teach in the walkup video, and others. Thx in advance for info on this.
Unsure. Some people say more surface area on the disc means more friction which imparts more spin. I’m not sure. At the very least it seems comfortable to them and they can get the nose down with it. Personally not something that has worked for me.
I’m a total beginner and this video and the tweely bird one have helped me hugely! I’m throwing a bit further but more importantly, I know where the disc will go a lot better. The distance will come with time but really happy with progress so far :)
I backloaded it because front loading kept my nose up. I had to put more force to keep my wrist pointed down to the point it was uncomfortable. The pinch grip lets me front load it with the noise down easier than a power grip. Just find what feels comfortable and nose down. For some that’s powergrip for others it’s pinch or modified fan grip
Thanks for the update. I was trying the pinch grip but was not working for me. I use a modified fan grip where my pointing finger rests on the disc rim. I am getting consistent max distance of approx. 400ft. Eager to try the front loaded grip now.
i get more snap with the pinch grip. ive done both for a while now, my issue is nose angle. I feel that pinch grip helps my nose angle exponentially compared to the power
So I gave the pinch grip a go and was throwing 30 to 70ft more. However, I noticed it was harder to do approaches and puts so I changed up my grip accordingly. Overall I noticed pinch grip made my hand and fingers lose grip strength much faster. Still interesting but not the end all be all grip.
So how should the fingers be loaded on a max distance power grip? Front loaded? How much pressure should the mid and rear fingers apply? Or do we just squeeze with all fingers equally for max distance?
I am a beginner, and am struggling to get any distance consistently. Only manage about 200 feet on a good day. I am not getting good spin on the discs, meaning they will not work properly for me. Am suspecting lack of spin for this. After watching this video, I am beginning to perhaps see my problem. I am using a power grip - but I am gripping very hard with all fingers. This I then guess leaves me without any real pivot. Hopefully it is now the big eureka moment when having you explain this grip. I need to front load! I need to loosen the rear fingers! Ohh! I need to go out and test this! Thank you!
I’ve always felt like using a fan grip loses distance for me and power grip I can get way more spin on the disc but for controlled shots I use more of a fan grip
Thanks for the video! There's something to be said about release angle when it comes to grip as well. I'm pretty sure my hand shifts to a front loaded grip when I pull a big anhyzer on a drive
Interesting video and take on front-loading vs back-loading for accuracy and ease of release point. Conversely, Uli's take on it is that you should front-load the grip for accuracy since it provides more spin and thus less wobble to your touchy shots. I guess it's a trade-off of hitting your line versus "maintaining" your line.
Thank you so much for all the info! Ive slowly been trying to watch everything over and get more from them. Need to get some film on myself going and maybe send it in and see where i am at with my throw! Seriously has been great watching all these videos and definitely appreciate this way of coaching!
I use a pinch grip. If I use more than my thumb and to fingers, I lose distance and or grip lock it. I am trying a modified fan grip. Still working on "My Grip!"
I feel like this feeling of the front loaded pivot point was something I have been missing in my BH throws -- looking forward to trying it out in practice. I did notice that in Simon's most recent video his his German buddy Jerome at Maple Hill playing blue layout, his buddy was doing a move with the disc in his right hand to highlight this pivot point as part of his pre-shot routine / run-up. Kind of like you demo at 3:52.
I actually first saw this on Iceberg's channel, but I was only looking to add maybe 50 feet to my distance throws. Now that I see I can add 101 feet with YOUR technique, screw Iceberg and all hail OverLor, er, I mean, Overthrow! 8^)
Great video. Another important factor to take into account is the hand size of the athlete. A lot of these players are very tall and have huge hands so their fan grip or modified grip covers a lot more ground on the disc. I started out with a power grip but had issues with control and it felt like my pinky was forcing the disc to go right. I then switched over to a fan grip and got better distance and a little bit more control, but still wasn’t quite right. I now use a three finger power grip for my distance shots and it has greatly improved not only my distance but also my accuracy. I now use a modified fan grip for up shots and shorter distances. So again, keep in mind that hand size also has a lot to do with the group that should be used in every player will be different.
Thanks for clearing this up, the iceberg video was confusing considering I was getting better spin and distance when I recently switched to the power grip. But overall this led to me being much more clear about all of it
I decided to start playing again after a 25-year break and I must say this was helpful in understanding the way I throw, and what I need to pay attention to, thanks. (I use a two fingered power grip btw)
Thanks for the clarification. I am finding that iceberg's video, plus your follow up, has given me the emphasis on getting the pinch/pivot point for distance shots. One question I have is how are people like Drew and Eagle getting their pivot point with the thumb toward the middle of the flight plate? It seems like thumb and index fingers are not pinching together. Is this a hand anatomy thing? When I try thumb splayed out it seems like I lose control and the nose goes up
@@colin7406 I was wondering about that. So it seems like a pinch grip between the tip and first knuckle of the index? I almost feel like that works against disc spin, but it is hard to argue when they throw 300' further than me 😉
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Maybe more security? At that arm speed and torque, maybe pinching the thumb and forefinger together can't exert enough pressure on the disc, leading to early release?
Well I'd like to thank both you and Iceberg TV. Even if he didn't fully grasp the various grips 😁 he led me to your channel, and your grip videos had an immediate impact on my game. I've been playing on and off, for about three years. Not counting wind aided flukes, my max distance was about 200 feet, with 170-180 being common. And then I watched his video and a bunch of yours, and headed to play my fave local course yesterday (Mountain Crest in Las Vegas). The result of my first day with a new grip? I overthrew multiple baskets that I've never reached before. I was hitting 230 regularly, and had more than a few over 250. My bag is generally understable and I was turning stuff over on most drives; what a GREAT problem for me to have! I've played this course a hundred times, and I'll bet I had my "best drive ever" on more than ten of the holes. I cannot thank you enough!!! And Iceberg deserves some credit, because he brought your teaching to my attention.
I have one question to clarify. Our pivot regardless of grip should be pinching the flight plate? Even a "Power grip" with 4 fingers curled would still be pivoting around the pinch of the plate not the rim, right?
I am throwing 500+ feet. I use the power grip. I just load the front end of my grip which is basically a pinch PowerGrip. I think this is what a lot of the pros do as once I’ve began throwing this way you could audibly hear the disc snap out of my hand.
i seen this video and being new i didnt know better so i spent a day trying this pinch grip and it felt awful. Love your videos, they have helped immensely
It is quite simple. Find what works best for you: power grip, fan grip, or over the hip potato chip grip! I don’t really care. Technique is very important but everyone is different. Great video as always. Thanks providing actionable information to improve my game.
I started playing this past spring. I learned a lot from your videos. After four months, I've hit a wall in the distance around 390’s. And I realized I was mid or backloading without thinking. I will have to try a front-load fan grip 🤔
I would recommend our most recent grip video on the channel for a complete look at grip. The advent of TechDisc has brought new light to this subject. The video is called “how to grip the backhand”
It would be interesting and actual proof to have a ground camera dedicated to showing grip as the throw is performed to see if what they think or say they are doing is actually what is happening during the throw.
Awesome insight. I think I've been back loading the whole time and not realizing it. Certainly works for me up to 375 ft but I'm going to start messing with mid and front loaded grips to see if I get more power. My back loaded maxes out at about 400.
Question I have is how far should a recreational player be able to throw a controlled drive? I'm in the consistent 250+ range and I don't use a power grip.
I don’t think there is an answer to this. It totally depends on your skill set. Someone is a rec player because of how well they score. Score is a combo of all your skills combined. So you could throw 500 feet and still be a rec player if you 3 putted every hole.
What are your thoughts on putting the pointer finger out on the edge rather than inside the rim of the disc? I've been using that as my grip and am curious if that's what's holding me back.
Grip also affect how tense and smooth you are. I had for a long time issues with being more tense on powergrip and thus a max distance shot did not go much farther than a 60% throw. Been working on grip/feel a bit now and now I can throw power grip and being more loose in the arm/wrist. That has added around 10% distance.
Power grip, which Iceberg and likely most people think the term suggests as 4 fingers on the rim, semantically suggests more distance. That's why Iceberg focused on the TERM, referring to it as fake. The word Fake may not have been the best choice to put in his title but it is correct: Having a false or misleading appearance. OT confirms this IMO. Great content from both.
Can anyone explain to me how people can place their thumb deep in the flight plate and still have a tight grip on the disc? Whenever I front load a grip I feel like I need to have my thumb close to the rim (where all the pressure from my index finger is being placed) to be able to clamp down with my fingers to create a strong grip.
I'm relatively new to the game...started just about the same time you guys started making videos. I've rummaged through some of your older videos trying to find the answer to a question and maybe I just missed it. So I figured I ask directly. I find myself overturning certain discs and losing them to the right. I know it's a speed issue..but is it a spin speed issue..a forward motion speed issue or both? Appreciate the content it's definitely helped me understand the game better and the physics of it is what entices me the most
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Your video inspired me to try a new grip, thanks for responding! Also great thumbnail looks perfect but might I suggest turning the text blue?😍
Bahaha. Wait. Hold up. We supposed to have beef here. No positivity in the comments please.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf love this battle lol
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I knew it! Saw the title and thought "SHOTS FIRED"
Iceberg, I don't care which grip you use, still waiting yo do that distance challenge with you.
IcebergTV kinda doesn't like his subscribers.
Thanks for addressing these videos. Also love how you handled it in a professional manner.
As a fairly new player it sucks when so many RUclips videos are contradicting to each other. I'm happy that a few seasoned players directed me here as it shows you guys have done your homework. Thanks for the tips!
This is Overthrow Disc Golf's first rap beef rivalry. Dude was spittin' bars!
Keep it up. Love the content.
P.S. I have a backloaded grip and always thought I was a weirdo. Thanks for the explanation.
This video, made me realize I've been throwing exclusively with a backloaded grip, wondering why I can't get a disc to flip reliably. I didn't even understand what you were talking about so I grabbed a disc, and as soon as i gripped it I understood and it makes a ton of sense. Valuable info, subscribed.
Dude. Wow. This is really well done. Scott Stokely and yourself both put together some truly appreciated content in response to that other channel. You went above and beyond in describing the fundamentals of what went wrong with his grip.
I'm years behind on a lot of terminology and front loaded-mid loaded makes so much sense. Gonna definitely use that.
Thank you for calling out his video! That was definitely needed. It was so frustrating watching him say that Simon and Drew use a pinch grip for power shots. When it reality they use it to power down and be more controllable.
I saw the other video you refered to and thought i give it a go. I threw 4 finger powergrip before and did not get enough spin on the disc. I tried what he said and it worked somewhat for me. Today i went to the field and treid what felt right for me. Found something that worked. As i come home i see your video exactly explaining what made the grip i found for me today working :)
Bravo! I have never thought about grip being front loaded vs back loaded and I'm a 999 rated player of 13 years. But, I have been stumbling upon this discovery recently as well. Noticing that there's a difference in grip in a tunnel control shot (back/mid grip) vs a distance shot (front). This has been very eye opening! I'm excited to work on this. Thanks!!!!
This is also to say, it's taken me 13 years to try tweaking this. This information could be gold to some young new players in the early developmental stages. Bc I feel that when you find a grip (4 finger mid/back loaded power grip for me).. then a player tends to not change it, but everything else they focus on. But, I was curious after tweaking form. Why does it feel internally like I'm not generating the "juice" at the end of the whip? I thought.. maybe my 4 fingers are slowing the rotation of the disc micro-seconds before release.. I think there's validity in that. Then you mentioned: focus on being "front loaded" for power, I'd agree.
I'm with you. I peaked at 997 so far and I have been playing 17 years... And I never found a way to as clearly describe why I throw both a modified-fan and a power grip.
@@truynmosher9143 i throw with three fingers because i expiremented with grips but its basically the pinch. and theres def more snap only been playing for 1.5 years consistently but found the game around 2013
Thank you for sorting that out.
I thought these IB videos “The Power Grip is Fake” were click bait.
His reasoning was half baked.
I long ago came to this realize that a fan type grip gave more control and a power grip gave more distance. But if you throw it for a long time you can have control with your power grip. I can even putt with it.
Ain’t no such thing as “halfway cooked”
I’ve struggled to throw 300’. The concept of the disk pivoting around a pinch point as part of the throw was a revelation. As soon as I let this happen by using a two finger and thumb pinch grip I was getting 300’ with very little effort. My accuracy degraded but wow. So now I have to figure out a grip that gives me better accuracy and consistency with a clean pivot action.
Thank you for this. I tried the pinch modified fan grip they were talking about Saturday on a pretty open course. I immediately felt like I had no idea where anything was going, as I suddenly was not getting clean releases, and I was not gaining any distance, either. I played around with my grip during the round a bit, and the one drive I felt good about was on the last hole with my regular grip.
My regular grip now, thanks to this video for the words to articulate it correctly, is a front-loaded power grip. I spent a lot of time at the beginning of this season trying to improve, and grip was a big thing I worked on. My previous grip was super comfy and super controllable: It was a back-loaded 3-finger power grip with my pointer finger just resting over the rim. When I switched and got comfortable with getting that pointer finger in on it and putting pressure through with it, I did gain pretty immediate distance (and I eventually got back the amount of control I had previously had).
I'd wager real money you were dead-on: He was using a back-loaded comfy version of a power grip, and front-loading is what made the difference.
cool, thanks for explaining what I've had a hunch about, the different action the disc takes depending on grip.
There has to be something to this though.. I took the pinching advice yesterday and played 3 full 18 rounds of disc golf and got the most distance and best score I've ever had on the last round ! I will never go back now to power grip and pinch with the fulcrum literally makes the most sense! I'm thankful for the iceberg video! Finally somehow showing what the pros are doing instead of teaching what they teach which is something they don't even throw... Tbh that's really confusing and why you're the best ! Keep being you brother
I tried the drew Gibson power grip and probably added 50+ft of CONSISTENT distance! So much more spin on the disc too!
It’s like tiger woods said “swing as hard as you can, now swing at %70 to stay in balance and hit more fairways ” these pros throw so much farther than us they don’t throw at %100 all the time which is why they don’t always need max spin or speed. That’s why we see pro using fan grip sometimes to throw 400ft because if they go full power they throw over 500ft. The grip explanation of front loaded vs back loaded makes so much sense that something I want to work on.
Keep up the good work!! Love the videos!!
Glad you made this. I was one of those "views" for the iceberg video. But my view ended about 30 seconds in when I realized it was junk.
Thanks for making this video. I was genuinely confused when i watched the iceberg video a few days ago. Just didn’t make sense to me. Thanks for clarifying (and correcting). You guys rock. You’re not only instructing on “how” to grip - but, more importantly, you focus on “why” certain techniques are advantageous.
Im having issues with power and getting grip, this video has helped me reinvent my grip...
I am a constant work in progress, OT video are helpful, he's like a wizard with his tutorials here! Thanks!
This has been my experience. I power gripped all shots but was mid loaded because i felt it helped my nose angle. As my form got better I front loaded and still had good nose angle and now I’m throwing well over 400’ with consistency. Good video OT!
No one really explained different grips, or front/mid loading the disc to me before.. it really makes sense though. Very detailed explanation, thank you! Looking forward to trying this out.
Hey guys....so I watched the other video and played a round yesterday with the goal of using the "front loaded" grip for the entire round. Just some quick background. I've been playing for 1.5 yrs and throw 300 ft max.
The course I played has both wooded and field holes. I have to say you hit it right on the nose. After about the first 6 holes I noticed myself naturally moving toward my more traditional "mid loaded" grip for gaps I needed to hit. But in those field I was able to sneak out an additional 50 ft of distance with the front loaded grip.
When I watched your video it made total sense why I was making the change and could not agree more on your explanation.
Keep up the great work and as always keep slinging em' with different grips!!
Keep slinging them grips
Best explanations on RUclips man. I had this all in my head when I watched his video. I'm going through learning to front load as we speak
This is the best video on grip I've ever seen. This is also the chillest beef I've ever seen
Thanks for the awesome response, I thought pretty much what you said at one point, the pros have so much distance they don't need max all the time.
The BEST explanation of grip period. What else needs to be said by me? Nothing, you said it all. Thanks again for sharing this wonderful information with us all. 😎
Please do a video on the deep flight plate thumb. How is it not better to use that thumb forward to better pinch the front pivot? I've seen shots where it seems like half their palm is on top of the disc and they throw it 600ft. How is that possible? The disc just gets awkwardly torqued and crushed if I try anything that looks remotely similar since the fingers and thumb/palm don't align.
Love it!!!! I need to start messing around with different grips. I feel mine is creating too much drag and not getting the disc up to speed.
Just an AMAZING response! Cleared a LOT and helps a bunch! I needed this! 👍
I think the issue for people coming into disc golf is the term Grip. When hearing grip you want to hold on tightly. It is the amount of pressure they are trying to work out by going to a power grip or fan grip. Could you communicate or equate the amount of pressure being used?
I advocate a grip that is just strong enough that the disc won't fall out of your hand
I think like you said there was a lot of confusion on the loading of it. Thanks for the breakdown.
There are so many form videos, and not may grip videos. This is what I needed to get some things to make sense.
Phenomenal, you just explained that in a way that even I, as a beginner-intermediate player, can understand. The concept of grip loading procedures. This will definitely help me achieve more consistent distance. Can you please do a video for a forehand grips, and where to apply pressure in the grip?
My backhand max is probably 460 feet and forehand maybe 425 feet. I’ve never front loaded a disc or tried a finger hook. Only a modified fan grip. I threw 92 mph when I was in high school, so I know I’ve got the arm for it, but I’m 39 and running out of time. The window closes fast and old man time never stops chasing! Time evaporates, and I just want to say thank you for all of your videos and your dedication! The videos and the content are top notch. Thank you for your time sir!
Well there’s one thing for sure. Your backhand distance isn’t intermediate
I saw that dudes first video and started thinking that I had missed something so I modified my grip over the course of playing all weekend. To be frank I couldn’t throw it full force with that grip as it kept flying out way too early. So I decided that the dude was probably misunderstanding what was happening. Basically, I figured out that the most important thing about that grip was the pinch up front. It did indeed help me turn over discs easier but now that I’ve seen this video I realize that I had only figured out half the puzzle at best. Thanks for clarifying. Btw the only reason I gave the dude the time of day was because he was referencing this channel. So it was good to see a reply.
Holy crap, watching this video then going out and moving my thumb more towards the center of the disk literally added +50 feet to my throw. I was at a point where I couldn't break 300 consistently, today I threw 350. I am so excited right now. Now I need to learn how to control it though because I'm all over the place again.
We are big fans of all of these form and instructional videos. Filming so many pros we have noticed that quite a few of them will use modified fan grips for a large percentage of their shots. Mainly because they have such huge distance, they are more worried about control and accuracy. We did a mic'd up round with Ricky Wysocki and he said that he throws EVERY shot with a modified fan grip. He also has huge hands so that may also be a comfort thing. Keep it up guys. Loving all of the content!
Interesting! It appears I misspoke on Ricky here then. I would be super interested to see all of the pros grips. I envy your footage and proximity to this information lol
@@OverthrowDiscGolf well like we said, we are digging the content you’re putting out as well. If you guys are ever at any of the events that we are at, we’d love to meet and share some ideas and food perhaps.
@@AceRunProductions we are at ledgestone!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf we couldn’t make it out there this year 😢 our next big event will be Worlds in a few weeks
fantastic explanation of front & mid loading -wasnt aware of differences until saw your video -thanks
I have been experimenting with that for a longer time. I think a two (three) finger pinch can help a lot to concentrate on the release point and what is actually happening. Maybe you learn for the first time that you don't throw the disc but you let it pivot ouf the hand.
Also the front and backloaded grip can have a huge impact on spin and noseangle. So i recommend a lot doing a lot of changes and try out what feels good or weird, what gives more distance or later fade (=more spin)
@overthrowdiscgolf I love what y’all are coaching with respect to the pinch point, I’ve gotten much cleaner releases and more distance with this focus.
One thing I see a lot of from big power throwers is a deep thump position towards the middle of the flightpath, how do you get a good pinch point this way?
Wow! I've been backloading my grip as described @ 4:10 and have recently wondered why my discs don't seem to go as far or spin as much as other people in my league and I think grip loading might be worth checking out. I backload a four-finger grip on teeshots and then tend to midload a four-finger grip for approach.
This control vs. power and frontload vs. backload concept is pretty cool to work with and I look forward to exploring it more
You and Scott are great teachers of the sport. And help individually which is way harder then what iceberg does
Josh, what's the reason for getting the thumb that far over across the flight plate? I originally learned with thumb over the place where the flight plate meets the inside edge of the rim. Lately I was working on disc down, held it up in the desired position like you taught, and found out that with the thumb about a thumb's width into the flight plate from my old position, with the pouring-the-tea wrist, this moved it into a disc-down position, which proved to work quite well in consistently getting it disc down in throws. So I'm wondering about the way-over thumb position. BTW I'm in my mid-60''s, and thx to you throw about 320 feet with the form you teach in the walkup video, and others. Thx in advance for info on this.
Unsure. Some people say more surface area on the disc means more friction which imparts more spin. I’m not sure. At the very least it seems comfortable to them and they can get the nose down with it. Personally not something that has worked for me.
I’m a total beginner and this video and the tweely bird one have helped me hugely! I’m throwing a bit further but more importantly, I know where the disc will go a lot better. The distance will come with time but really happy with progress so far :)
Your and icebergs videos are exactly what I needed right now as Im working up towards more distance with my form. Great explanation, thank you!
6:48 are you sure that's a mid-loaded grip, and he's not just hooking his pointer and pinky fingers? Aren't the middle two fingers just not involved?
I backloaded it because front loading kept my nose up. I had to put more force to keep my wrist pointed down to the point it was uncomfortable. The pinch grip lets me front load it with the noise down easier than a power grip. Just find what feels comfortable and nose down. For some that’s powergrip for others it’s pinch or modified fan grip
Thanks for the update.
I was trying the pinch grip but was not working for me. I use a modified fan grip where my pointing finger rests on the disc rim. I am getting consistent max distance of approx. 400ft. Eager to try the front loaded grip now.
i get more snap with the pinch grip. ive done both for a while now, my issue is nose angle. I feel that pinch grip helps my nose angle exponentially compared to the power
Also put it this way. i subscribe and like your videos.. not icebergs hahaha
If you want more spin on the power grip leave the pinki off you see Drew do it in the video here there’s 30-50 feet more than 4 fingers imho
So I gave the pinch grip a go and was throwing 30 to 70ft more. However, I noticed it was harder to do approaches and puts so I changed up my grip accordingly.
Overall I noticed pinch grip made my hand and fingers lose grip strength much faster. Still interesting but not the end all be all grip.
I noticed the exact same thing about tiredness. The middle of my second round felt like the end of my usual thirds.
Master class in grip utilization
Really appreciate the integrity, as well as the thoughtfulness and care you put into your videos. Thanks!
I do watch a lot of your videos and I came across that video yesterday. I can only power grip drivers. I use a fan grip for mid ranges and putters.
Thanks for sharing. Front loaded distance got me an extra 40 feet consistently (nose angle)...mid load for accuracy and deeper rim discs.
So how should the fingers be loaded on a max distance power grip? Front loaded? How much pressure should the mid and rear fingers apply? Or do we just squeeze with all fingers equally for max distance?
Front. I’d stay loose but the finger holding the disc in your hand should be your index
I am a beginner, and am struggling to get any distance consistently. Only manage about 200 feet on a good day.
I am not getting good spin on the discs, meaning they will not work properly for me. Am suspecting lack of spin for this.
After watching this video, I am beginning to perhaps see my problem. I am using a power grip - but I am gripping very hard with all fingers. This I then guess leaves me without any real pivot.
Hopefully it is now the big eureka moment when having you explain this grip. I need to front load! I need to loosen the rear fingers!
Ohh! I need to go out and test this!
Thank you!
I’ve always felt like using a fan grip loses distance for me and power grip I can get way more spin on the disc but for controlled shots I use more of a fan grip
Good explanation on front, mid and back load. Thanks.
Thank you for your “response” man! I was losing my mind over the other video trying to correct him and saying the exact same thing you are.
Thanks for the video!
There's something to be said about release angle when it comes to grip as well. I'm pretty sure my hand shifts to a front loaded grip when I pull a big anhyzer on a drive
This is amazing! Makes so much sense going to try these out
Interesting video and take on front-loading vs back-loading for accuracy and ease of release point.
Conversely, Uli's take on it is that you should front-load the grip for accuracy since it provides more spin and thus less wobble to your touchy shots.
I guess it's a trade-off of hitting your line versus "maintaining" your line.
Thank you so much for all the info! Ive slowly been trying to watch everything over and get more from them. Need to get some film on myself going and maybe send it in and see where i am at with my throw! Seriously has been great watching all these videos and definitely appreciate this way of coaching!
I use a pinch grip. If I use more than my thumb and to fingers, I lose distance and or grip lock it. I am trying a modified fan grip. Still working on "My Grip!"
I feel like this feeling of the front loaded pivot point was something I have been missing in my BH throws -- looking forward to trying it out in practice. I did notice that in Simon's most recent video his his German buddy Jerome at Maple Hill playing blue layout, his buddy was doing a move with the disc in his right hand to highlight this pivot point as part of his pre-shot routine / run-up. Kind of like you demo at 3:52.
Mmmmm. I love when people have that in their pre shot routines. Makes the point so obvious.
I actually first saw this on Iceberg's channel, but I was only looking to add maybe 50 feet to my distance throws. Now that I see I can add 101 feet with YOUR technique, screw Iceberg and all hail OverLor, er, I mean, Overthrow! 8^)
Great video. Another important factor to take into account is the hand size of the athlete. A lot of these players are very tall and have huge hands so their fan grip or modified grip covers a lot more ground on the disc. I started out with a power grip but had issues with control and it felt like my pinky was forcing the disc to go right. I then switched over to a fan grip and got better distance and a little bit more control, but still wasn’t quite right. I now use a three finger power grip for my distance shots and it has greatly improved not only my distance but also my accuracy. I now use a modified fan grip for up shots and shorter distances. So again, keep in mind that hand size also has a lot to do with the group that should be used in every player will be different.
Thanks for clearing this up, the iceberg video was confusing considering I was getting better spin and distance when I recently switched to the power grip. But overall this led to me being much more clear about all of it
I decided to start playing again after a 25-year break and I must say this was helpful in understanding the way I throw, and what I need to pay attention to, thanks. (I use a two fingered power grip btw)
Love your guys work!!! You’ve helped my game so much!!!!!!! You guys are my go to for RUclips dg teachers!!!
This was awesome, IceBerg compelled you to make a great responds and we are all smarter for it. Great vid OT.
All this time my grip was back loaded, so the pinch grip felt good but awkward at the same time. Thanks for clarifying.
The friendly beef between y'all is an immediate certified hood classic
I use a two finger grip to get a good snap. I’m working on a three or four finger grip, but I get more accuracy and distance with two fingers.
Aaron Gossage does the same
Thanks for the clarification. I am finding that iceberg's video, plus your follow up, has given me the emphasis on getting the pinch/pivot point for distance shots. One question I have is how are people like Drew and Eagle getting their pivot point with the thumb toward the middle of the flight plate? It seems like thumb and index fingers are not pinching together. Is this a hand anatomy thing? When I try thumb splayed out it seems like I lose control and the nose goes up
I think he said the index finger hooks the rim so it's still front loaded
@@colin7406 I was wondering about that. So it seems like a pinch grip between the tip and first knuckle of the index? I almost feel like that works against disc spin, but it is hard to argue when they throw 300' further than me 😉
I wish I could make total sense of it myself, but Colin is correct
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Maybe more security? At that arm speed and torque, maybe pinching the thumb and forefinger together can't exert enough pressure on the disc, leading to early release?
Well I'd like to thank both you and Iceberg TV. Even if he didn't fully grasp the various grips 😁 he led me to your channel, and your grip videos had an immediate impact on my game. I've been playing on and off, for about three years. Not counting wind aided flukes, my max distance was about 200 feet, with 170-180 being common. And then I watched his video and a bunch of yours, and headed to play my fave local course yesterday (Mountain Crest in Las Vegas). The result of my first day with a new grip? I overthrew multiple baskets that I've never reached before. I was hitting 230 regularly, and had more than a few over 250. My bag is generally understable and I was turning stuff over on most drives; what a GREAT problem for me to have! I've played this course a hundred times, and I'll bet I had my "best drive ever" on more than ten of the holes. I cannot thank you enough!!! And Iceberg deserves some credit, because he brought your teaching to my attention.
Haha. Congrats! The benefits of the beef are real
I have one question to clarify. Our pivot regardless of grip should be pinching the flight plate? Even a "Power grip" with 4 fingers curled would still be pivoting around the pinch of the plate not the rim, right?
Can pivot around either!
I am throwing 500+ feet. I use the power grip. I just load the front end of my grip which is basically a pinch PowerGrip. I think this is what a lot of the pros do as once I’ve began throwing this way you could audibly hear the disc snap out of my hand.
i seen this video and being new i didnt know better so i spent a day trying this pinch grip and it felt awful. Love your videos, they have helped immensely
Ya. Saw that video so I’m glad to also see this one
I love how we get these form controversies from time to time. I'm team Overthrow because your instruction is more complete and coherent!
Very nice, I've been using Drew's fan grip for a long time now, and I'll use it until I have enough arm speed to even the "max distance"
I switched to pinch grip yesterday and I absolutely see an improvement on distance. The accuracy will come with more repetitions.
Thank you for this video. I've noticed I mid load so i'll see if this front load gets more distance👍🏻
It is quite simple. Find what works best for you: power grip, fan grip, or over the hip potato chip grip! I don’t really care. Technique is very important but everyone is different. Great video as always. Thanks providing actionable information to improve my game.
I started playing this past spring. I learned a lot from your videos. After four months, I've hit a wall in the distance around 390’s. And I realized I was mid or backloading without thinking. I will have to try a front-load fan grip 🤔
I would recommend our most recent grip video on the channel for a complete look at grip. The advent of TechDisc has brought new light to this subject. The video is called “how to grip the backhand”
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I was just watching that one lol
This is exactly what i needed to watch. I've only throws a mid-loaded "power grip" so this made it very clear. Thanks!
You are great at explaining! Love your videos. Keep it up dude :)
It would be interesting and actual proof to have a ground camera dedicated to showing grip as the throw is performed to see if what they think or say they are doing is actually what is happening during the throw.
Yeap!
Awesome insight. I think I've been back loading the whole time and not realizing it. Certainly works for me up to 375 ft but I'm going to start messing with mid and front loaded grips to see if I get more power. My back loaded maxes out at about 400.
Thanks for clarifying.
I’m wondering if the grip is usually back loaded when people use the “power grip”.
Can a “power grip” be front loaded?
Sure can
I listened to your video all the way☺️ I found out yes a para grip can be frontloaded as long as you have your pivot point
Question I have is how far should a recreational player be able to throw a controlled drive? I'm in the consistent 250+ range and I don't use a power grip.
I don’t think there is an answer to this. It totally depends on your skill set. Someone is a rec player because of how well they score. Score is a combo of all your skills combined. So you could throw 500 feet and still be a rec player if you 3 putted every hole.
What are your thoughts on putting the pointer finger out on the edge rather than inside the rim of the disc? I've been using that as my grip and am curious if that's what's holding me back.
That is for sure holding you back to some extent. Some people do it on putting, but nobody that’s great at throwing the disc does it for driving.
Grip also affect how tense and smooth you are. I had for a long time issues with being more tense on powergrip and thus a max distance shot did not go much farther than a 60% throw. Been working on grip/feel a bit now and now I can throw power grip and being more loose in the arm/wrist. That has added around 10% distance.
Power grip, which Iceberg and likely most people think the term suggests as 4 fingers on the rim, semantically suggests more distance. That's why Iceberg focused on the TERM, referring to it as fake. The word Fake may not have been the best choice to put in his title but it is correct: Having a false or misleading appearance. OT confirms this IMO. Great content from both.
Amazing clarity, thank you! Any thoughts on the correct grip for putting? Back loaded??
Back loaded
Thanks for the response
Can anyone explain to me how people can place their thumb deep in the flight plate and still have a tight grip on the disc?
Whenever I front load a grip I feel like I need to have my thumb close to the rim (where all the pressure from my index finger is being placed) to be able to clamp down with my fingers to create a strong grip.
Drew told me he tried to keep the grip as loose as possible
Did you ever get the 'why' drew/eagle/etc put their thumb so far in on the backplate?
I’m not entirely sure. Some people talk about more friction on the disc increasing spin. I only have guesses at this point.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf should send the boys a text 'hey btw's... why is your thumb in narnia?'
@@wildcat31772 haha. Drew wouldn’t know. Gotta ask Asland
I love your videos man. You have made me a better Discgolf player. And give me a better understanding of the technical work of throwing thank you 🙏
I'm relatively new to the game...started just about the same time you guys started making videos. I've rummaged through some of your older videos trying to find the answer to a question and maybe I just missed it. So I figured I ask directly. I find myself overturning certain discs and losing them to the right. I know it's a speed issue..but is it a spin speed issue..a forward motion speed issue or both? Appreciate the content it's definitely helped me understand the game better and the physics of it is what entices me the most
It’s a spin issue. More spin increases stability
I appreciate it....back to the field!
if i’m throwing a front loaded fan grip, it theoretically shouldn’t be equal to a front loaded power grip correct?
Not sure on the theory there. If it made a huge difference though I am pretty sure every pro would be using power grip