That "congested feeling" when you get the disc close enough to your body was the queue that got me throwing over 400 feet. Tighter form and deeper into the power pocket is such a big key. Fantastic advice and great video dude
Yea many newer or even intermediate players struggle with this however the key mechanism for the powerpocket isn't your strength in "pulling or swinging" the disc but how to get it into the pocket AT SPEED from the reachback so the uncoiling of the many levers involved is violently assisted "like a whip" which THEN allows you to "sit back" on your brace against the short burst of centrifugal force generated by your arm+disc in combination with actively swinging through hard on the finish. The number one failure point of this is like you said: players not getting INTO the powerpocket in the first place but there is more to unpack here. "Your powerpocket" depends on 3 main factors: 1) the speed at which you are moving your arm+shoulder+disc into it (solid weightshift triggering the lat helps), 2) the stability of your brace and 3) your "swinging strength" which can allow you to "power through" and hit those later mechanics of the throw. For really early beginners with no brace and no lat engagement from the reachback the "powerpocket" is all the way up at the front pec just like the "beto drill". Form quiz: Study the difference in powerpocket between Ezra Aderhold and Matt Orum, I bet Ezra has more distance but Matt's form is actually a much better teaching example. *< next thing >* Preventing slipping is one reason I prefer the "brinster hop" instead of the regular x-step. Let me provide an example: if your brace is angled 20 degrees back but you also have your weight moving downward at a 20 degree angle these angles add together to improve your effective brace angle (making it easier for your core to "hold") but at the same time preserving a good angle for grip while providing MORE downforce to it. ** To achive a "close pull" into the pocket "suitcasing" the disc (reaching back and pulling through on anhyzer of 30-45 degrees or so) can help even if it DOES violate the classic concept of "angle integrity". In fact the "roll" momentum imparted by the disc flattening out during the swing actually tilts it deeper into hyzer and helps hold the nose down.
Important concepts. Thank you. On the freeze frame at 11:20 you have the disc tight to the body, on a substantial hyzer angle. Do you consider this or just not worry about it? From video it appears that many elite pros have the disc on what appears to be anhyzer at this moment, but and then a combination of their axis of rotation (are they leaning fwd, back, etc.) and some rolling of the wrist produces the actual angle of attack at the hit.
@@overfiend75 I think this is just me not having played a lot of disc golf lately and my angles being a bit off. I wouldn’t call that a good throw haha.
This video is awesome, really clicked in my head- so much so I watched it and went out a day later and finally hit 400ft (and did it a number of times), which I’ve been struggling to do for a long time What are your thoughts on leading with your elbow btw? I found that to be the best way to make sure I wasn’t swinging out wide with my forearm, but am curious what your thoughts are
Thank you for your video! I remember Gannon Buhr's video on the same topic. He demonstrated the difference between having the power pocket vs not having. However it was hard for me to understand how to get to the power pocket and what the power pocket actually is. Your explanation made sense! Now I can understand better. Now to the field (after winter).😅
I definitely know that I struggle with this. I guess my timing sucks because getting deeper seems so much less powerful. I was actually working this yesterday using the briefcase. I was getting a lot of spin and power, but all were coming out as sky hyzers.
@@marion1600 Same here, it went straight up in the air. But I've been hearing that briefcase + turn the key is "hot now" and will try again. Also supposedly helps to get the nose angle down.
I noticed your hand was in a different position in second (correct) throw when in the pocket/pec. I ran out and experimented since I always had my hand on top at that point of the throw and having it on bottom seemed to help. Top may be better for the anhyzers.
@@JustBBlunt I wouldn’t put too much stock into other differences between the two throws there 😅😅 I haven’t been playing much lately so there is likely going to be some things that are inconsistent
@ Heh, noted. But in my own mini test (40 yard standstill putter throws in the back yard) I had easier power and more natural feeling pulling into my pec with my hand under or more hyzer than on top like I’ve always tried. Will definitely need to experiment more. Without a disc in hand you can feel the difference in the muscle you make at the pocket.
What do you do with you back leg as you go into the brace right before the power pocket? Do you just turn your back leg inwards to initiate or does it happen naturally from the brace?
@@underGearedFtw little bit of both. For me it seems to happen pretty naturally, but I do make an effort to make sure it is off the ground. This is definitely something I do without thinking now, but had to ingrain through many reps.
Thank you for making this video, what is your suggestion for woman with larger chest? do we just throw hyzer? or do you have an example of ladies who had to work around the chest? I’m still looking for this person to model. Thanks. 😊
@@allissaThacker that is a great question that I have never thought about. maybe I should get my girlfriend into disc golf and get back to you 😂 I would try using a lower pull line. Aim for being around the rib cage area. I know quite a few players that hit the power pocket a bit lower like this and have lots of success. worth a try!
I totally understand what you are saying about the power pocket, 100%. But noone shows how to practice it being like that. Slow and tutorial practice drills how to get it in the pocket. Never seen that. Wish i find it some day…
That "congested feeling" when you get the disc close enough to your body was the queue that got me throwing over 400 feet. Tighter form and deeper into the power pocket is such a big key. Fantastic advice and great video dude
Yea many newer or even intermediate players struggle with this however the key mechanism for the powerpocket isn't your strength in "pulling or swinging" the disc but how to get it into the pocket AT SPEED from the reachback so the uncoiling of the many levers involved is violently assisted "like a whip" which THEN allows you to "sit back" on your brace against the short burst of centrifugal force generated by your arm+disc in combination with actively swinging through hard on the finish. The number one failure point of this is like you said: players not getting INTO the powerpocket in the first place but there is more to unpack here. "Your powerpocket" depends on 3 main factors: 1) the speed at which you are moving your arm+shoulder+disc into it (solid weightshift triggering the lat helps), 2) the stability of your brace and 3) your "swinging strength" which can allow you to "power through" and hit those later mechanics of the throw. For really early beginners with no brace and no lat engagement from the reachback the "powerpocket" is all the way up at the front pec just like the "beto drill". Form quiz: Study the difference in powerpocket between Ezra Aderhold and Matt Orum, I bet Ezra has more distance but Matt's form is actually a much better teaching example. *< next thing >* Preventing slipping is one reason I prefer the "brinster hop" instead of the regular x-step. Let me provide an example: if your brace is angled 20 degrees back but you also have your weight moving downward at a 20 degree angle these angles add together to improve your effective brace angle (making it easier for your core to "hold") but at the same time preserving a good angle for grip while providing MORE downforce to it. ** To achive a "close pull" into the pocket "suitcasing" the disc (reaching back and pulling through on anhyzer of 30-45 degrees or so) can help even if it DOES violate the classic concept of "angle integrity". In fact the "roll" momentum imparted by the disc flattening out during the swing actually tilts it deeper into hyzer and helps hold the nose down.
@@Flakzor123 well said!
Important concepts. Thank you.
On the freeze frame at 11:20 you have the disc tight to the body, on a substantial hyzer angle. Do you consider this or just not worry about it? From video it appears that many elite pros have the disc on what appears to be anhyzer at this moment, but and then a combination of their axis of rotation (are they leaning fwd, back, etc.) and some rolling of the wrist produces the actual angle of attack at the hit.
@@overfiend75 I think this is just me not having played a lot of disc golf lately and my angles being a bit off. I wouldn’t call that a good throw haha.
Great video. I've been struggling with this so much. It's driving me nuts. Look forward to trying this queue tomorrow. Thanks Tyler!
Love the authenticity of this guy's throwing insights, the videos are always worth checking out
@@weakstar3491 appreciate it!
This video is awesome, really clicked in my head- so much so I watched it and went out a day later and finally hit 400ft (and did it a number of times), which I’ve been struggling to do for a long time
What are your thoughts on leading with your elbow btw? I found that to be the best way to make sure I wasn’t swinging out wide with my forearm, but am curious what your thoughts are
Leading with the elbow is one of the cues I always seem to keep coming back to. Helps make sure you really get into that 90 degree position.
Thank you for your video! I remember Gannon Buhr's video on the same topic. He demonstrated the difference between having the power pocket vs not having. However it was hard for me to understand how to get to the power pocket and what the power pocket actually is. Your explanation made sense! Now I can understand better. Now to the field (after winter).😅
This is the video thaT WILL CHANGE THINGS FOR ME
@@theaquariantv glad to hear it!
Do putting next please. Bless your heart
Great video - and definitely one of the things I'm doing wrong today. Thanks for breaking it down!
I definitely know that I struggle with this. I guess my timing sucks because getting deeper seems so much less powerful. I was actually working this yesterday using the briefcase. I was getting a lot of spin and power, but all were coming out as sky hyzers.
Good one. "Briefcase" may also help with this.
I have tried briefcase. It's not for me I had absolutely no control of the angle and it turned out awful😂
@@marion1600 Same here, it went straight up in the air. But I've been hearing that briefcase + turn the key is "hot now" and will try again. Also supposedly helps to get the nose angle down.
I noticed your hand was in a different position in second (correct) throw when in the pocket/pec. I ran out and experimented since I always had my hand on top at that point of the throw and having it on bottom seemed to help. Top may be better for the anhyzers.
@@JustBBlunt I wouldn’t put too much stock into other differences between the two throws there 😅😅
I haven’t been playing much lately so there is likely going to be some things that are inconsistent
@ Heh, noted. But in my own mini test (40 yard standstill putter throws in the back yard) I had easier power and more natural feeling pulling into my pec with my hand under or more hyzer than on top like I’ve always tried. Will definitely need to experiment more. Without a disc in hand you can feel the difference in the muscle you make at the pocket.
Very well explained
Thanks for the lesson.
Thank you
Great video!
Thanks for your video!
What do you do with you back leg as you go into the brace right before the power pocket? Do you just turn your back leg inwards to initiate or does it happen naturally from the brace?
@@underGearedFtw little bit of both. For me it seems to happen pretty naturally, but I do make an effort to make sure it is off the ground. This is definitely something I do without thinking now, but had to ingrain through many reps.
Thank you for making this video, what is your suggestion for woman with larger chest? do we just throw hyzer? or do you have an example of ladies who had to work around the chest? I’m still looking for this person to model. Thanks. 😊
@@allissaThacker that is a great question that I have never thought about. maybe I should get my girlfriend into disc golf and get back to you 😂
I would try using a lower pull line. Aim for being around the rib cage area. I know quite a few players that hit the power pocket a bit lower like this and have lots of success. worth a try!
Gunna check out those shoes👀. Good waterproof shoes are typically hard to come by except for hiking shoes.
Puma proactives are waterproof. Not exactly pretty shoe but it’s a good disc golf shoe
Needed this. tyty
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I totally understand what you are saying about the power pocket, 100%. But noone shows how to practice it being like that. Slow and tutorial practice drills how to get it in the pocket. Never seen that. Wish i find it some day…
@@johanjofo once it warms up a bit I have a video coming that might help with that
I suffer from this