J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History
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- J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History
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I just realized that Tolkien takes off the ring in the beginning, which is why he suddenly appears.
I never realized it my brain must be playing with me!!!
Shit, dude, MIND BLOWN
Of course. He's the only being capable of handling its dark power
Omg how did i not notice that?
You have keen eyes, master Jeper.
Tolkien could have rapped in multiple different languages- that he created
English, Dutch, french, german, icelandic (for some reason) sindarin and probably more
Raviv Amorij he means elvish and blackspeak
@@dekaw9138 To be fair, Tolkien was also a linguistics specialist, being able to read, write, and speak multiple languages. However he ALSO created far more than just Elvish and Blackspeak. He has five or six languages to his name, each of which he created by using his knowledge of real languages.
And still would've rapped rings around Martin, but this was the Rap to Rule Them All.
Я Смерть I read your comment so wrong 🤦🏽♀️
Unlike George R.R. Martiin, Tolkien knows how this rap battle ends.
Where is the lie?
BURN
At least Tolkien FINISHED his story!
@@maryw9320 Tolkien wrote until death... Martin is still alive
@@vinzcastro9304 True, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he does finish the Ice and Fire series, but he's not exactly a spring chicken and there are still two books to go.
I love that it starts with Martin claiming the title of 'Lord', but Tolkien finishes with reminding Martin that even if he's a lord, Tolkien is still the king.
Lord and king are the same
@@dennisvondoomstudy a bit more
@@dennisvondoomnope, no they’re not
@@dennisvondoom maybe in your bizzaro world but not the real world
@dennisvondoom LOL no they absolutely are not. "Lord" is a title used by noblemen who have hereditary lands and/or titles but are not part the immediate royal family. Kings and princes use titles like "Your Highness", "Your Majesty", "Your Grace", etc
“You’re a pirate. You even stole my R.R.”
So much in such a little line.
"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive"
Thorin, Fili, Kili, and Boromir would like to have a word with you.
Juan Hernandez you just took someone comment ironic
@@JuanHernandez-qj7uq You’re the pirate!
@Emily Wilson for a split second it even looked like a fuck you as well.😂
Nice reference
This took until season 5 because Martin needed that long to write his verses.
Ha!
+Matt Crowell Roasted!
+Matt Crowell Haha this is brilliant
+patience 2277 So you are spam trolling an ERB video with anti-semitic nonsense? Really? Are you that pathetic?
+patience 2281 could you get any more random? So what if Jews hold a lot of power? would you be as alarmed as you are now if a follower of the Aesir , held a lot of power?
I'm not so sure about who won, but I do know who lost: Sean Bean.
Omfg xD
+Atari Dad HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bless you man.
And now I'm sad
I cri
+Atari Dad just don't Robb hear that and you should be good, nope never mind. Uh make that the King in the North
“C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing, how you and Jon Snow, both know nothing” -
A masterpiece line
Not enough people talk about this underrated friendship
Tolkien: says absolutely any shit
*Marvelous*
Its fucking ridiculous peole treating him like a literary god
Wdym absolutely any shit every fantasy book or movie you see is based on his vision@@Chabier-mx2mz
@@Chabier-mx2mz He is lol.
@@Chabier-mx2mz Look at the cute little contrarian.
"In book sales, you've got nothing to say
I'm number one and two
You're under Fifty Shades of Grey"
There are no words to describe how savage that was.
Especially right after George said "you need more sex in your books"
"That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it the rest of his life."
Extremely
'You myopic manatee' comes pretty close.
Emotional Damage
I feel dumb. I just realized that when he said "You're a pirate. You even stole my R.R." He holds up his fingers like a pirate hook but also the letter R in sign language. A really nice touch
you never know it could be a reference to what he studied at Oxford University(Linguistics)
And don't forget pirates say "ARRR"... it works on many levels.
Lol
@@colechandwel9550 I believe that could be why it became the letter's symbol in sign language
Well, unless you've learnt about sign language, you wouldn't caught up to that. And even then, he did say "you're a pirate", so your mind would totally think of that sign as a hook right away.
"You even stole my RR"
Yep, Tolkien won this round.
That did make me LOL!
He was even gesturing the letter R in American Sign Language as he was saying that
And he even said in the line before ‘you’re a pirate’ the proceeds to make the R’s sound like ‘argh argh’. The thought that goes into these lines still amazes me today
What does RR mean?
This RRound
The funny part is that after the first verse, Martin's lines all talked about Tolkien's works. Even in a rap battle, Martin could only talk about Tolkien's works and not his. That is the level Tolkien plays at.
He talked about his own too... about how he makes characters and then kills them...
Granted, I agree Tolkien crushed here...but still that's not entirely accurate.
“I’ll cut you like my teeth on Beauty and the Beast”
“My show’s the hottest thing on HBO”
So what about these two lines?
A Song of Ice and Fire>>>Lotr
@@FilmyDost007 I know its sacrilege but I also like ASOIAF more that LOTR.
@@kevinerives8975 I think the biggest problem with LotR for a modern audience is that it's TOO influential. It's pretty much defined and shaped the genre of Fantasy since it was published, meaning that to a modern reader it seems cliché and stereotypical.
"I'm number 1 and 2, you're under fifty shades of Grey"
* *MARTIN BEING DESTROYED* *
Extramely underrated bar, this was absolute fire!
That was my favorite line, especially since Martin was holding a giant copy of Fellowship of the Ring.
And Daenerys gets destroyed every night...
🤣
I thought killing a radroach in Fallout 4 was easy. This is even easier and more entertaining.
Lawrence Michael -DESTORYED-
Thanks for editing that. :-)
I was not expecting Martin to finish a rap battle, I thought he'd quit halfway through.
My guess is that Martin started rapping for ERB Season 1 and promised 7 verses.
For what it's worth, Martin clearly finishes some things. Like his meals.
@@kylexinye1990 DAYUM
I mean Tolkien wasn’t much better
@@LolLol-cg8en at least Tolkien had the dignity to keep writing till he died.
"One does not simply battle Tolkien."
You are simply flattened like being run over by a stream roller
Yes
He shall be shattered by the comments of the fans
He shall be ripped apart by elves,dwarves,hobbits and many more creatures before being trampled by armies and having his remains burnt until not even ashes remain
Ah, yes. A famous words of Lord Eddard Stark.
One thing I am sad they did not include is that Tolkien, having every excuse not to go to war again, being past draft age, and in reserve occupation, volunteered for frontline duty in WWII.
What a legend. Putting him up against Martin seems as insulting as putting Roosevelt against Trump/Clinton
@@KNJpd Roosevelt was worse than either....he simply dressed and spoke better
@@BogaSlawayou’re an idiot
Heartwarming and somehow so sad at the same time. What a dignified man.
@@BogaSlawa How? The fucking Chad was fighting corporate monopolies left and right, enacted the national forests to preserve our landscape, AND GAVE YOU THE FDA!
He is the sole reason Corporate rats can’t sell you feces as chocolate and human meat as beef. Trump and Biden don’t have the brain nor spine to do a single shit Theodore did. Say what you want about his imperialistic thoughts but he was at least fucking honest about it, which is already better than all the rats we call presidents today hiding and lying through their teeth every second.
Here to honor J. R. R.'s son. His son Christopher J. R. Tolkien is the person we need to thank for compiling J. R. R.'s unfinished works so that we could read them
R.I.P
F
Worry not for Christopher is with his father in the Undying Lands
Christopher spent years sorting and organizing the mountain of his father's manuscripts. The amount of effort it took to decipher the often faint and illegible handwriting alone is deeply impressive.
Thx Christopher Tolkien. God speed.
FunFact. Sir Christopher Lee was the only one in the lord of the rings cast who met Tolkien IRL.
And that must have been one epic meeting as they compared their world wars (Tolkien in the first, Lee in the second). Or maybe several...
I know tolkien wanted him to play grndalf but he ended up playing saruman
@@elaineb7065 more like it was maybe 90 seconds as tolkien said hello to a friend at the same table while Chris was locked up starstruck.
According to christopher lee, at any rate.
@@elaineb7065 tolkien and count dooku must look epic
I-N R-E-A-L L-I-F-E. You're welcome
Tolkien did all his work on a typewriter and still managed to complete his stories.
But Martin is still alive which means he is still writing his books and can still complete them. These comments are gonna be invalid unless Martin dies without finishing.
Oooooo, BURN!!! 😂😂😂👍
@@generalawesome7279 Either Martin is a slow writer, has massive writer's block, or his editors have a lot of work, but it shouldn't take five years on average to release a book, especially one in a series of them. It can take that long to get the first book published, but it shouldn't take that long for the rest in the series.
The Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris was released on a yearly basis with 13 books total. Which were the basis for True Blood. Robert Jordan released 11 of the 14 Wheel of Time books in a 15 year span. Then dying and had enough notes for someone else to finish the series which included Jordan's epilogue in the last book of the series.
I doubt Martin has that and I truly doubt the last two books in the series get published any time soon.
Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth is a collection of stories and essays by J. R. R. Tolkien that were never completed during his lifetime, but were edited by his son Christopher Tolkien and published in 1980.
What I am trying to say that stupid fanboys who have no idea what they are talking about is extremely cringy.
Comparing them on that level is fruitless anyway, because Tolkien needed six years for the Lord of the Rings alone and a lifetime to edit the Silmarillon. The Hobbit and other smaller writings were only finished because he wrote them for special occasions and with lowered standards.
I'm surprised that Martin finished his verses
Nice joke haha
“All your bad guys die and you good guys survive”
Everyone who read the silmarillion:
*allow us to introduce ourselves*
Yeah. Lol. Almost everyone in that book died. 🤣
@@Riri-oj1zs Turin and co., Beren and Dior with his twins, Basically almost the entire line of Finwe, a whole freaking continent:. AM I A JOKE TO YOU 😂
@@lucypanteli6895 🤣
Tolkien was killing the most important characters in his book! How many did GRRM kill? Tolkien killed the entire race of Numenorians! Except for what, a family (Elendil, etc.)? Lol.
GRRM is an amateur. Im still criying the death of Fingolfin and Finrod
YUP
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at one point, was the number 2 most read book in the English language, 2nd only to the Bible.
And McDonald's is the most popular restaurant on earth. That hardly means it's the best.
@@RightTurnClyde That's a good point. So we all have begun to realize that McDonalds food is bad for you and their reputation will continue to sink until the corporation goes broke some day. In the same way, you seem to be implying that Tolkien is only relevant and popular now, but one day, the world will wise up and realize his writing was trash while Martin's work will gain popularity? I guess it is possible, though not likely in my opinion.
@@jackfroste no dude i think he was taking a hit on the bible
@@angrywada8147 Ah, okay. I get it now. thanks.
@@jackfroste I'm trying to be unbiased but as a Christian it really did anger me but *deep breath* tHATS OK
"Good guys survive"
Boromir crying in the corner.
RETSENRET :P lets not forget Theoden, Kili, Fili and Thorin!
@Mordraug 50, I am going to count the thousands, tens of thousands of Elves who just fought the good fight but died in the process.
Boromir was pretty grey, really. He got his redemption at the end, though, but he did some bad shit
@@filmandfirearms He was a champion before the Ring but desperate, so desperate to save his land that for just a few minutes he was overcome. Grey? I guess, that's fine Davos :)
Or Aragorns friend and relative Dunadan
7 years later and this is still an absolute beat down by Tolkien
It's an even worse beatdown given just how poorly Martin's "hottest show on HBO" line aged.
@@kemp9842house of the dragon enters the chat
@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Still doesn't erase just how badly Game of Thrones fumbled in the end goal.
@@kemp9842 "hottest show on HBO" line still stands though
And we're still waiting on Georgie-Boy to finish up his story.
0/10 not realistic
IRL Tolkien would have created a new language specifically designed for rap and mastered it all within two minutes
Dude I felt that so much 🤣
I try to imagine how a language especially made for rapping would sound like. Would every word end the same way so it all would rhyme? I wonder.
I don't normally say this as it is over-used but...Yaaaaaassss, queen!
It would have been overkill. That's why Tolkien humored Martin by beating him in his own language.
FELT THAT.
He starts dissing him in Black Speech and Elvish.
The hook he made with his two fingers in “you even stole my RR” was the American Sign Language for the letter R.
Thank you
also looks like a pirate Hook
the layers on this one go deep
I CAUGHT THAT TOO
Damn Tolkien even beat his ass in ASL. Savage AF.
"every time I battle is the return of the king!"
Tolkien is a fucking legend
"shit im two towering"
Battle this (F)ellow
Battle this fellow shit, get it. Alright.
#Rekt
J.R.R Toilet really ? Dude you're not even old enough to watch GoT.
The "I cut my teeth in the Somme while you LARPED your Santa Clause ass through through Vietnam" is colder than anything else dropped
The best part of this battle is Martin wasn't even bad. He came in hot against Tolkien.
It's just a shame for him that Tolkien is nigh untouchable. No question, Tolkien dominated him.
I'll give Tolkien the victory, but I think GRRM did great. His "even the names of your characters suck" followed by "tea baggins my nuts" cracks me up every time.
@@davel7791 Yeah, like, Martin came in real hot in the battle, and he had some wonderful lines, but Tolkien just outclassed him in every way regardless.
Have to borrow a quote... Martin did great job, but there is no shame to lose against the best.
He was just.... too towering
I was pleasantly surprised when this first came out and appretiated more and more over time with how many more of the lines i realized i well researched
Tolkiens lines are flat out Brutal compared to Martin
Martin put up a fight but Tolkien ended an age with his raps
Small add on: i love that tolkien was consistend and got even better while Martin started strong but got worse (kinda how the show and books went xD)
Tolkien died like 45 years ago but he's still puttin out material. Where you at, George?
ouch.
2 years Beren and luthien & Fall of gondolin. 2017 and 2018... Soon his grandson will probably take over to keep delivering new materials.
He's put out 3 GoT books since a Dance with Dragons. He's putting out works, just not the ones many people want.
Randy Bowlin Ouch
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 Indeed he did. The Battle of the Somme during the First World War.
I really love the fact that Tolkien wrote one of the greatest literary franchises of all time because he created a new language and wanted an excuse to use it.
not just one new language.but many languages for elves, the ents, dark speech, dwarvish and many more.
Languages. Plural. Nobody in history has or ever will be as extra as Tolkien
It’s actually kind of par for the course for new languages to be created. You can pay people to do that nowadays.
@@hunter30432 It is now. But, I don't think that was the case in the 1950s.
@@hunter30432 JRR walked so other fantasy writers could run!
I just realised the bit about "C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing" is more than a brag about his social circle, it's also a historical reference to J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis both having been prominent literary scholars, unlike G.R.R.M. who is primarily a writer
They were part of a group called the Inklings that met at a pub in Oxford.
They were also good friends.
They also both had characters based on each other in their books
“But you’ve got a hairy foot fetish, dog.”
Bold words for someone who’s story starts and ends due to incest.
lmao
I think partly that’s inspired by history where nobles and royalty often kept it in the family and married each other. Because Martin does borrow a lot from history.
I mean that's how it was back then lol u can't change history
@@yunehversomi1458 not just that but there were also brothers and sisters from different Kingdoms and empire would marry heirs from another empire or kingdom, in which sometimes was one of there family members, a good example would be the Hapsburgs
@@yunehversomi1458 For the most part , people (even royalty and nobles) avoided marrying their siblings.
“C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing how you and Jon Snow both know nothing” absolutely BRUTAL
Wasn't CS the guy who made Narnia?
@@dakotastein9499 Yep. He was brilliant in discussions and basically owned everyone, that´s why the rap battle mentions discussions. If he got his own rap battle, he´d win it with arguments from logic and philosophy. He was less patient but more versatile than Tolkien. He wrote a sci-fi trilogy, fantasy books for adults, heaps of great essays and a book on Renaissance literature. It was one of the few scholarly books I had to read at university that were both brilliant and highly enjoyable :-)
Lewis also "cut his teeth in the trenches of the Somme". They were friends with Tolkien for most of their lives. They created the genre of fantasy together, based on the work of George McDonald (and mythology, of course), but only Tolkien usually gets credit for it, and not Lewis or McDonald. Tolkien was by far the best, but not the only one. LOTR wouldn´t exist without McDonald and wouldn´t be the same without Lewis.
@@martavdz4972 not mentioning that all those are works of one of the greatest Christian apologists of modern era.
I also love the transition to that scene 😂
"A man with an obsession is a man with very little sales resistance" - A quote from a YT comment to suggest C.S Lewis was nuts. Yeah, some people on YT comments and Jon Snow both know nothing!
"Even the names of your characters suck"
Bold words from someone who named a dragon "Drogon".
Against someone naming his dragons:
Glaurung
Smaug
and....
Ancalagon
@@Riri-oj1zs Scatha
Lmao
Bold for someone, who called one of the main characters Sam...it feels somehow familiar
Tolkien named a tree "Treebeard"
The fact im watching this 7 years later show how timeless ERB is
I've probably watched it three dozen times at this point.
but who are u anyway :D
jk
@@allemagneproducer im a random 11 yr old
Unlike that HBO line *wink*
Apparently it's been eight years for me. Thanks for making me realize that, pal
“All your bad guys die and your good guys survive”
Boromir, Theoden, Thorin, Fíli and Kíli: crying in the corner
The silmarillion kills off EVERYone
Fingolfin...
Nevermind all of numenor and half of middle earth
@@Geshiko-GuP Pretty much AHAHAHAHA.
Dont even mention the characters that died in other books where they are not MCs. Balin in Moria.
"Lewis and I were just discussing"
That's such a powerful boast that the Battle can end there
Yeah. C.S. Lewis, another notable thinker, a logician, who wrote Alice in Wonderland. A subtle way of saying George isn't in their level 😆
@@tkraid2575 that's Lewis Caroll, CS Lewis wrote Narnia.
lmfao C.S Lewis was a chud who rewrote the bible in 7 books. As someone who read through chronicles of Narnia, Martin could literally wipe his ass with the chronicles of Narnia. "eVeRyoNe DiEs AnD AsLaN iS jEsUs" is 9000 times worse than anything D.B Weiss and David Benioff could ever write, as INTERPRETERS of George R.R Martin.
"Aslan is Jesus" is so much worse than "dany forgot about the iron fleet"
@@Briman13 finally someone who sees how frustrating his ending for Narnia was
that's what I'm Tolkien about
+Sam Wilson you dont know what you're Tolkein about
I'll be Tolkien about this battle for ages
+Sam Wilson Oh crap,Tolkien puns.
Damn, I wish I thought of that!
+timmy tohns Yeah, it can be Hobbit-forming.
i love this, but weirdly the one thing I'm really impressed about is how Peter managed to sell this old and fragile man with subtle body language. its really impressive
Peter is amazing at nailing the body language and mannerisms of every character he plays.
Tbh Tolkien was actually pretty fit even late in life.. IMO Martin is a lot less fit than Tolkien was at a similar age
As Pratchett said of fantasy writers: "We are all standing on Mount Tolkien."
Even a magnificent and monumental writer like Terry Pratchett must pay homage to the One True King (though Pratchett being a humble, down-to-earth man despite all his fame helped). We all must. And not just authors and readers; we tabletop gamers must pay homage to Tolkien, too. WIthout Dungeons & Dragons, there would never have been any World of Darkness, any Shadowrun, any Harnworld, any Palladium, any Hackmaster, any Bunnies & Burrows or any other tabletop roleplaying games. And without Tolkien's works, there would never have been any Dungeons & Dragons.
Incorrect
qoute as follows: "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."
@Warlok Seriously you're suggesting the Conan the Barbarian is better than Tolkien? I mean it's Conan the Barbarian that argument defeats itself.
@Warlok Its also hard to ignore the similarities between Tolkein's Lord of the Rings and Wagner's 'Ring Cycle' opera series. People who act like Tolkein invented something have never dug any deeper.
@@ikpts Right. It is also hard to avoid noticing similarities between Wagner (or Tolkien in that matter) and Scandinavian mythology.
Both Tolkien and Wagner based their stories in it, and none of them tried to hide that.
You could dismiss almost all modern writing as based on something older.
But that is not the point, is it.
Adoption of themes is not neccesirly wrong. It matters HOW it is done.
Tolkien has IMHO succeeded in making Fantasy mainstream. His creativity was expressed in inventing complex world with thorough history and FREAKING custom languages.
“You’re a pirate! You even stole my R R”. That’s respectively deep.
Esp with the ASL sign for R.
Had me chucklin' 😂
@@Kaydee815 Damn thanks for that
and the ending " everytime I battle it's return of the king " Martin just got owned
And he stole the name Drogo from Tolkien. It's Frodo's father.
Love how Martin was amazing, but Tolkien STILL slaughtered him. This is without doubt, one of the best ERBs of all time.
Every couple of months this one seems to appear on my feed, and every time it does I watch it.
Agreed
I've never read any of their books or seen any of their media, but I still agree that this is one of the best.
...or one could say: One for the ages!
It honestly was.
'all your bad guys die and you good guys survive' Boromir would like to have a word with you George
And if you've read The Silmarillion and the Hobbit quite a few heroes more
@@djokealtena2538basically everyone in the silmarillion except the valar, elrond, and cirdan.
@@connorbosley4431 ssshhh don't spoil it for em.
Even LotR has several good guys who do not survive, add Hobbit and Silmarillion on top of that then plenty of good heroes who gets killed. So that line was not especially accurate.
While interactions in general might not be as Machiavellian as Martin's works, Tolkien did not spare his characters either especially earlier times before Sauron's return to power has goodies taking plenty of beatings at various points. Writing style is quite different but being on a good side on Tolkien's stories does not mean you survive.
@@connorbosley4431 Eru:
Martin spit a song of Ice and Fire...but Tolkien went There and Back Again.
He brought the light and darkness and bound him to death and darkness with the one ring.
I see what you did there...👏👏👏👏👏👏
yes he did he went through 2 world wars he literally went there and back again
Yow this is golden....lol
Sadly for me, I saw this more than 3 years ago
"My show's the hottest thing on HBO!"
Well THAT aged poorly.
Indeed
Don't worry, LOTR is following suit
It aged like milk lol
@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Nah, no matter how the show's going to be is of no effect to the trilogy. They stand alone
@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Hey the trilogy is frankly untouchable at this point. Those movies are so good people actually prefer to watch the extended editions. Which is insane to consider.
Tolkien absolutely obliterated Martin. "got my children making millions off my Silmarillions" - Perfection
what's even funnier is The Silmarrilion isn't actually a book, it's a bunch of random things Tolkien wrote that his son cobbled together into a somewhat coherent book
It should have been Martin vs Rawling, with Tolkien coming in at the end to school both of them.
@@TheMeta141 "somewhat coherent" is a very kind way of putting it. Every time I pick it up I get a headache
That line actually aged well… as long as the Amazon series kills it lol
@@JM-ch4mo maybe after the LOTR series we can see something like that
I loved that Tolkien mentioned Led Zeppelin. For those who don't know, the members of Led Zeppelin loved LoTR so much that it was included in some of their songs. For example, their song "Misty Mountain Hop" was based on Tolkien's Misty Mountains. Also, in their song "Ramble On", they directly reference Mordor and Gollum in the third verse.
There's also ringwraiths mentioned in "The Battle of Evermore".
And that's not even the only rock star connection. In the 60s, the Beatles wanted to star as the four hobbits in a movie version, and Tolkien refused. HE TURNED DOWN THE BEATLES.
Oh and in more modern times Blind Guardian made an entire metal album, "Nightfall in Middle-earth." It's a classic.
@@HerrRoehrichBattle of Evermore was entirely about the Battle of Pelennor Fields in ROTK
Oh ya I forgot about Misty Mountains and Ramble On
@@elsie900
I can just IMAGINE a scene of all of them getting high on pipe-weed
"All your good guys survive."
Boromir: "Am I a joke to you?"
two words: Sean Bean
Even George stole Sean Bean from J.R.R
umm, yes Boromir, the memes have made you immortal.
Don’t forget Gandalf
@Cyborg1337 The whole point of Boromir is that he's not just a good guy, he's the best guy. Well....second best guy. Because the point of Aragorn is that he's the best guy. The movies left a lot out, but in the books Aragorn and Legolas sing a song about how awesome Boromir was right after he died. :p
"My show's the hottest thing on HBO"
Well. That didn't age well.
When Arya nothing personal kid and subverted expectations; Wow, what a stinker!
I swear I saw Scott gimple in the background behind the dragon like if u get the joke
It's three years since this video came out...
Dr Heaven MD yeah...sigh
i mean it still is i am on season 2 its crazy
0:10 Incase someone missed it. Tolkien is actually present there and removes his ring to become visible
Man, I have watched this one so many times (it's one of my favourites) and I have never noticed that
@@bromthebard4160 There's a similar hidden detail in Deadpool vs Bobafett
Never noticed that lol.
Watched it a couple hundred times. And just now noticed. Thanks!
@@Krindig Welcome
8 years later and still no Winds of Winter
Why did they not mention the fact that Tolkien accomplished something that Martin probably never will: FINISHED THE STORY.
this was years ago bruh
Not quite. Tolkien never finished the Silmarillion, as it was published after his death by his son Christopher Tolkien, who edited together the various tales his father had written into a cohesive whole. However, Tolkien does have an excuse for this as unlike Martin, Tolkien wasn't a full time author as he had a full time job as a professor of lingustics at Oxford University. He didn't write these books because it was his job or to make money, he wrote them because it damn well pleased him to do so.
@@edwardhardwick2180 What does the Silmarillion have to do with anything? JRR Tolkien wrote two stories and finished them. The Hobbit and LotR. So what if he failed to finish his third? GRRM has 1 story, which has been going since 1991. It took Tolkien 12 years to write LotR, and like you said, he had a full time profession ON TOP of that. Heck, its been a decade since the last ASOIF novel.
@@edwardhardwick2180 the thing is Tolkien couldn’t finish the Silmarillion because he died. Martin just isn’t writing his books
@@edwardhardwick2180 also the fact that well, _Tolkien fucking died_
Ironically, Martin was inspired by Tolkien killing off Boromir and seeing an instance of good guys dying. You can understand why he cast Sean Bean as Ned Stark.
@Hello Me so he switched sir to cheese? (In polish ser is cheese)
I don't think he had any say on the casting. But it's still sweet irony!
@@777LoveStory he did, he was insistent on roping Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage for the roles of Ned Stark and Tyrion Lannister, respectively.
@@krishnaprasad5925 Fair is fair, they proved to be good choices for their roles.
true tho some of character names in asoiaf are stolen in lotr like
ser Arthurdain
while in lotr Arthurdein is the last kingdom in Arnor that the witch king of angmar destroyed
Khal Drogo
Drogo is frodo's fathers name that drown in the river
The Targeryens is basically
Dunadein rip-off
Valyria is a empire same as the Numenor
George’s raps weren’t bad but Tolkien fucking DESTROYED him. Every time he does anything it’s Return of The King
I prefer both R A Salvatore and Patrick Rothfuss to George “R. R.” Martin…but Tolkien is the best!
@@crusader0074 rothfuss fucked up his fan by never finishing the triology
@@johnbradshaw3001
I agree. I actually never even finished the 2nd book.
@@crusader0074 wish he would have taken a page from Sanderson. Not many good fantasy coming out lately.
@@johnbradshaw3001
Yup. R A Salvatore is good and fun, but also kind of repetitive.
“But news flash, genre’s called fantasy
It’s meant to be unrealistic,
You MYOPIC MANATEE!”
Best lines.
😆
For me it was "I'm more Rock&Roll that you've ever been, don't believe me? Ask Led Zeppelin"
Tolkein fucking NUKED this one, absolute knockout
True
Nah Tolkein's lines were weak, martin decimated that fool
Fanboy lol
*thats bait*
+Sweederland Johnson try a little less edgy bait next time.
The fact that Tolkien was able to casually reference being a friend to CS Lewis and an inspiration to Led Zeppelin in one paragraph automatically gives him the win in my book.
Yes, even CS Lewis owns this hack so he just hastily mentions it
Wait, CS Lewis isn't someone from the 17th century or smth?! My life was a lie.
@@Fukei_Mono Turkish Delite is a lie.
@@Fukei_Mono If memory serves right, I remember him mentioning WW2 in the second chronicle.
True
I’ll take a moment to address the fact that the amount of research necessary to make these accurate lyrical bombs is insane. They’re not historians who write a book and get credit for the effort and they’re not rap artists who say whatever they want. They’ve found their own niche that is incredibly difficult and I commend them for it.
Scholars, Comedians, actors, technicians, and fucking artists. All at the same time. It truly is incredible - just finding the venn diagrams of people to fully appreciate what they have created is hard. I think ERB is my favorite thing. And I have seen a lot of Things.
To be fair, You just need to read Tolkien's books a few times and most of it you already know. ;) And if you were born in the 70s-80s, you know about Led Zeppelin, Blind Guardian, Black Sabbath... Aaaaand you most probably read stuff by C.S. Lewis (I think I first read about their relationship in a foreword of one of the Chronicles of Narnia)
@whisper2shade there's loads more rhan that. The fact Tolkien fought at the Somme and Martin refused to fight in Vietnam. The line about Martin selling less than 50 shades of grey after he says Tolkien should put more sex in his books. Martin saying he cut his teeth on Beauty and the beast which he worked on before GoT. There's so many lines that are Quite deep in this one
It doesn't necessarily require much research--one might have just been an intelligent kid paying attention who grew up in the right era....
@@davidrichard3582 yeah really a right era when rumor, gossip, hoax, misdirect info, and etc etc information rumble together making workload more powerfull so powerfull until many early mid 30s already have bald head down to the root
George R.R. Martin: "the names of your characters suck"
George naming the Elden Ring characters: Godfrey, Godefroy, Godrick, Godwyn, Gostoc, Ranni, Renala, Radahn, Radagon, Rykard, Marika, Miguela, Melina, Malenia, Millicent, Malekith. So many distinguishable names in a single game.
"The Lands Between" he just straight up copies "Middle Earth" with zero shame
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 oh snap
This was THE best FUCKING battle ever on all of ERB
agreed
and Julius ceaser vs shaka zulu
In the tops along with Lecter/Ripper
this was my favorite but now Roosevelt vs Churchill is definetly my new favorite
so fucking awesome :0
Martin: Fired shots.
Tolkien: Launched tactical nuke.
Yeap, basically that's what happened here! And I love it!!
Moral of the story: Don’t mess with someone who cut their teeth in the trenches of the Somme
30-0 on him🤣
Martin: Brings a Light Machine Gun
Tolkein: *AC130 ABOVE*
he just vaporized him...
Martin: All your bad guys die, your good guys survive!
Thorin, Kili, Fili, Boromir, Theodred, and Theoden: Are we a joke to you?
When you realize both authors killed off sean bean in the first
HAHA
Yeah yeah yeah killing Sean Bean is tight.
@@RachelG1979 it's super easy, barely an inconvenience
When you're type cast as......the dead guy 😂😂😂😂
@@waywardgoddess7219 wow wow wow wow
When Tolkien says "You're a pirate! You even stole my R R!" he's actually making the Sign Language symbol for the letter R!
Yeah American sign language the British sign language for the letter R is different
In my place it's slang for c*nt.
but it's also kinda like a pirate hook, so... double meaning!
@@NevTheDeranged That's what I thought it was.
@@NevTheDeranged
Man, even the visuals are deep. ERB is too good.
Not just Led Zeppelin, even the Beatles wanted to play LOTR characters in a movie, and Tolkien just said no. 😎
Not to mention the ungodly amount of power metal band inspired by LOTR, Blind Guardian has an excellent album called Nightfall on Middle Earth which is based on Tolkien's work
@@lithering3189 One highlight moment in my life was seeing Blind Guardian live and witness Hansi retell the story of Fingolfin vs Morgoth before they played the song :')
Maybe Paul can cameo in Rings of Power. I mean no one will see him because the show sucks but hey, a paycheck's a paycheck I guess
@@katarinadreams6955 how can you say the show sucks when it isn’t even out yet lol
@@indenial4445 you're name really does suit, it's going to be a success or a bomb and those really are the only options
I came into this rooting for Tolkien, but I didn't expect him to be so fucking savage.
Lesson learned. Don't fuck with South Africans.
***** What I meant.
Savage... Maybe... But the guy did cut his teeth in the Trenches of the Sommes. That mustard gas can mess up your day!
That's odd...many Africans born in let's say, France, claim to be French.
Their ethnicity is African, but they are legally french and most likely accustomed to their traditions and such.
Did anyone notice how when Tolkien calls out Martin for plagiarizing him, Martin is looking in a red book? The Red Book of Mark* was the fictional book of history from the elder days that Tolkien liked to say he was translating his stories from. The level of research in some of these videos is astoundingly good.
*Edit: I called the Red Book of Westmarch the Book of Mark since I'm Swedish and read it translated like that when I was a wee hobbit lad. This was a case of Swenglish getting the better of me, thanks for pointing it out!
When?
@@rogueemu4180 It's in the prologue of Lord of the Rings I believe
Even better. It's *literally* "The Fellowship of the Ring". Says it right on the cover.
That's beautiful!
Great attention to detail mate!
Nerd
“I’m more rock and roll than you’ve ever been, don’t believe me, ask Led Zepplin.”
To this day, George hasn’t recovered from that burn.
Ask Led Zeppelin.
And the Rock goes on and on and on and on and on
Ask Ramin Djawadi
Rush did a few LoTR songs as well lol
Gaius Wyrden I thought it was because in the battle George claims that he is rock and roll and Tolkien is a nerd, and Tolkien destroyed George’s whole verse with the Led Zepplin line because you can’t get more rock and roll than Zepplin.
And so was Sandor Clegane
GRRM: "we don't need the backstory for every tree branch"
you're one to talk!!!
Ngl that was pretty good
Tolkien schooled the shit out of his ass
Appropriate given that he was a professor.
Class dismissed
OOOOOOOOOOOOH
In raps and in real life
Agreed.
"In book sales you've got nothing to say, I'm number one and two, you're under 50 Shades of Grey."
Ouch! Martin never recovered from there.
50 Shades of Crappy BDSM is a very, very high bar, though.
Not as high a bar as LotR, and that's kinda the point.
financially
Kinda just goes to show how sales numbers don’t really mean anything when it comes to artistic value
What do you mean recover? He entered by the one ring. No sorry GRRM was on the back foot from there it’s why he stared first and be never recovered sorry
C.S Lewis and I were just discussing..
HOW YOU AND JON SNOW BOTH KNOW NOTHING!
Sealed deal bois.
also Too Towering haha
+Angelo Dato "everytime I battle its return of the king" really did it for me
+Angelo Dato swag
+Angelo Dato "I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme, you LARPed your Santa Claus ass through Vietnam" That did it for me.
+Angelo Dato LOTR and The Hobbit are just four of the books turned into billion dollar making franchises. All other literary works including the Silmarion belongs to the Tolkien estate and will not be released for adaptation. Best.Power.Play.Ever! Well played Professor Tolkien...
“... Your good guys survive.” -martin
Poor boromir. He's no doubt in a corner of the Halls of Mandos crying like: “i just wanted to help.”
Tolkien won but now, looking back he wins for a second reason: He actually finished his books.
Yeah, I was surprised that wasn't a line in there somewhere. Maybe Tolkien didn't want to sink that low
Edit: I forgot that, yes, he hadn't finished. I'd been thinking of the main series, forgetting the Silmarrilion was part of it
Well... actually quite many of his stories were finished and published after his death by his son Christopher.
Janne Laakso most of my favorites are the ones published posthumously but more or less he finished them, he just considered that despite being what most would be fine with publishing wasn’t up to snuff for him, had a high standard for himself
Janne Laakso
Cuz he died.
For real tho
I love the fact that Tolkien's intro has him TAKING OFF THE RING and then putting it in his pocket, like he's saying "I don't need this to win" and then proceeds to utterly wipe that floor with Martin
holy shit just saw this now lol
Lord off the Ring 🤭
@@luthientinuviel2823 LMAO
Also like a reference bc in Lotr the ring makes you invisible so when he took it off he shows up
It also shows he is powerful enough to not be manipulated by The Ring
there was a really big missed opportunity in this battle. they should have had had someone dressed up like sean bean who died in one verse then died again in the other person's verse because after all, no matter how many differences there are between lord of the rings and a game of thrones, that one factor, the death of good guy sean bean's character, unites them.
omg, i never even thought of that!! and its so obvious!
lol yeah sean bean dies in almost every movie/series he is involved in
codeman3788 except sharpe.
カオス猫 i mean technically he ascends... even after the dragon turns to stone after fighting back mehrunes dagon he ascends up to join akatosh.
Come on, this is not true, think of Equilibrium for example...
Ehm... er...
As someone who has read the Silmarillion, the good guys, do not, in fact, survive ANYTHİNG. LotR is like the final act which ended well (or even bittersweet), but so much misery brought it there. And if you read the Silm, and then rethink LotR, you will understand how lesser and sadder the world of LotR is bcz so much is lost...
But LotR isn't the final act Morgoth is still out there
@@danyelpeter1376 even worse bruh 😅😂
But I was mainly referencing the fact that Tolkien tried to write the fourth age but couldn't bring himself to. The story of wonders and myths is over.
Guys, the winner was obviously the one with R.R. in their name.
But they both have R.R. In their name
Pineapple Gamer if that joke went higher over your head you'd live in Colorado
The thing is Muffin, he wont get that joke either..
Who wrote Lord of the Rings.
And ripped it off from Wagner... Whoops, did I speak off base?
this one goes to tolkien.
All the way, he slaughtered here
Right?!
+Richard Salo yes
who agree with cap america vs iron man
+PyroGamer _123 me
Dat "You're under Fifty shades of grey" and "Ask Led zeppelin" got me daaaaam, you can't beat that George. Tolkien 4 d win.
Agreed.
disagree
+Raika Bladler Wow dude, really? LED Zeppelin, not Lez
+John Mathews phone keyboard, sorry i didn't mean to disrespect one of the gods of rock. (edited it)
Good man. I was worried you were someone who only wanted to sound cool and mention a line, even if the grammar or spelling was wrong.
It's weird to see G.R.R. Martin battle J.R.R. Tolkien, especially because George looked up to Tolkien, and even considered him superior
Every writers should have the spirit to challenge.
I mean he wrote the biggest and best selling book trilogy and built a whole world around it just to excuse using lagueges he created, of course any writer would look up to him
Maybe they would've done it just for fun lol
I love how in Tolkien's last verse, he literally says all three of the Ring trilogy titles- Fellowship, Two Towers, Return of the King... IN ORDER.
Based
@@osberswgaming GigaTolkien
@@michaelbarry6589 yes
And if you go a little back you hear the beginning of his stories, the Silmarillion.
@@EduardoVidalSalgadoFajardo Don't forget that he starts off the battle with a Hobbit drop as well.
Tokien had a fantastic comeback for every possible diss that came his way, not only that, but he put himself on the top and kicked Martin down at the exact same time. Martin's lyrics weren't bad, in fact they were really good, but Tolkien's were just dominating.
Funny how normally the last person to appears in the video normally win lol
FoxWalker BR The person to rap last has a better chance of winning because they get more chances to come back from anything that's said to them and get the last word.
Shady Doorags Yes I know. Sadly even when the character is bad, if he's the last one singing, probably he will still win anyway
+FoxWalker BR você por aqui??? Hahaha
TIAGO SOTTOMAIOR Cara, to em todo lugar kkkkk E esse é um dos meus rap's que eu mais valorizo nesse canal kkkkk
"In book sales you've got nothing to say.
I'm number one and two
You're under Fifty Shades of Grey"
That line murdered George more brutally than he did any of his characters.
and you just burned George with this comment more then the line in the rap battle
Raxyz Kaarn agreed
Raxyz Kaarn And if that wasn't enough, then the ask Led Zeppelin line won, If not the Jon Snow one.
Raxyz Kaarn Is that even true? I thought Harry Potter and the Bible where one and two.
nicholis ling Harry Potter has sold more books as a group, but as individual books it hasn't - LOTR was originally published as a single book, and has sold more than 150M copies, putting it in first place of all time. The Bible has almost certainly had more copies produced but because there are not accurate records of production it's excluded from most all-time lists.
So many great costumes/characters in this one. It’s so admirable that they put so much effort into the background characters who only appear for a few seconds. Tremendous job from the costume and makeup departments
"I'm more rock and roll than you've ever been. Don't believe me? Ask Led Zeppelin."
"Every time I battle it's Return of the King!"
Dude went way harder than he needed to
And he's even more metal than him. Let's think about the Blind Guardian
He also said “you can’t reach this FELLOW SHIT I’m TWO TOWERING.”
Not only led Zeppelin but even the Godfathers of heavy metal Black Sabbath also wrote a song honoring Tolkien's character Gandalf, it's titled "the Wizard"
There's also a metal band called Morgoth.
I believe Amon Amarth gets their name from the Silmarillion.
"All your good guys survive"
Literally almost every good guy in the first age: Am I a joke to you?
Gg
594 don’t forget Boromir and Gandalf but technically Gandalf comes back.
@@toxicfataldestiny5408 guess his K/D went down? 😂
boromir, denethor, theoden, theodore: are we a joke to you
Thorin, Boromir, Turin, Beren, Beleg Cuthalion, Nienor, Luthien, Maedhros, Finwe, the two trees, does Feanor count...? Sure why not. Everybody at the Kinslaying in Aqualande. Also Fingolfin, Fingon, Hurin, Huor... I could go on 😂
Indiana Jones vs Han Solo. Ford vs Ford!
at least Deckard from Blade Runner and the guy from The Fugitive
YES!!
YEAH han solo vs indiana jones
+Sean NotShawn Just post that a ton and they will notice
+Sean NotShawn and for the heck of it add Henry Ford :p
I like that Martin is playing Zork on the computer instead of writing his book.
"All your good guys survive" - guy who's never read the Silmarillion.
my thoughts exactly
Or the hobbit for that matter
Omg totally
Alas, poor Boromir....
@@jamesmartin9401 Thats it...Poor Boromir.
Arya: kills the Night King
Gimli: That still only counts as one!
Easily the most underrated comment on RUclips.
?
aSKKSKS DECEASED
ROFLMAO
Arya's Death Count: 90,000<
Legolas' Death Count: More than Gimli
Gimli's Death Count: Less than Legolas
GRRM: "All your bad guys die and your good guys survive"
*The Entire Cast of the Silmarillion:* "Say what?"
Gandalf the Grey and Boromir also have something to say. Or they would if they weren't, y'know, dead. Though Gandalf kind of came back, he wasn't really the exact same person.
@@Taiyama2 don't forget Theoden, poor fucker got crushed by his horse
The Champion of Morrowind And Denethor. And at least, all the people who had to leave to Tol Eressea
When you can’t even name the main character of the book because everyone dies so quickly
@@Taiyama2 I mean Gandalf is an immortal entity he can't really die
Martin's been real quite with winds of winter since this dropped
Since it dropped 8 yrs ago
"I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme" and it's done 😂
"You LARPED your Santa Claus-ass through Vietnam!" Tolkien is more badass in an actual battle than George!
Horace Warfield but Martin was way more amusing.
The differences in how each generation looked on the defining wars of their eras likely contributed to the direction their writing took. So that part was neat.
Anyone who was in Somme was more badass than anyone who even was in Vietnam.
The Dead Marshes were not fantasy, or imagination. Those were the Somme.
Death and horror in unimaginable scale, literally over a million bodies and tanks and even bunkers sinking into the mud, with people still inside, nerve gas, and shelling for days that turned into weeks and months... And for most, it all ended with a bayonet charge against a machine gun...
***** Generally true although nerve gas was not used in WW1. Phosgene, Chlorine, and Mustard gasses were used primarily with some tear gas.
Well, I guess Cleopatra vs Marilyn Monroe is no longer the most one-sided ERB in history. Poor George just gotten eaten alive by Tolkien.
TheGoldenKing20 Who was one sided in that battle? Marilyn?
No, Cleo owned Marilyn pretty bad. Not as bad as Tolkien owned George here though.
I would of thought Donald vs Hillary or Bruce Jenner vs Bruce Banner
Banner vs Jenner, Jefferson vs Douglass, Artists vs TMNT and Bieber vs Beethoven are way more one sided than this one
***** yes because those are the characters the battles i mentioned were one sided for
Tolkien wrecked Martin. Sorry but that's a fact.
I think the led zeppelin line was the killer.
+Censor Duck not to sound like a fuckin idiot but i didnt get it. i feel like i should seeing as i grew up listening to led zeppelin
+The Feral Dragon They referenced LotR shit in a lot of their songs, but most famously is Ramble On
hell yeah
Tolkien. you da real king
Funnily enough, LOTR by Peter Jackson, is probably what blew the door open to fantasy being more mainstream, and allowing us nerds to occasionally not be bullied as much
I would have never gotten into the books (or into the wider lore) if not for the movies
Tolkien gave Martin a death worse than the The Red Wedding.
Ohhhhhh!
ohhh snap Martin got the triple r reck!
+SlayerOfTears .....Still too soon.
+patience 2276 Fuck off, shitbag.
No one wants your anti-Semitic conspiracy theory bullshit.
+SlayerOfTears fucking awesome (:
Man, Tolkien destroyed this one.
definitely
Tolkien is the one to rule them all
Hailz yea
+joshscorcher To be honest I think they both lost this. Neither of them were clever at all. It's like they were trying TOO hard to find references for this one. Neither of them were better than the other to where I could say one won, unlike other ones like poe vs king, zulu vs ceasar ect.
Totally