Commander Gameplay:Gavin Verhey vs Olivia Gobert-Hicks vs Dana Fischer vs Blackneto

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  • Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
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Комментарии • 218

  • @Minedeleis
    @Minedeleis Год назад +181

    Olivia: i'm a monster
    Dana: hold my non alcoholic beverage

  • @tariqmaketab595
    @tariqmaketab595 Год назад +76

    No one expects the Spanish Primal Surge

  • @varlmorgaine3700
    @varlmorgaine3700 Год назад +45

    "oh they have a youngling with them, so cute good to see that they teach younger generations mtg" 15 minutes later " that little monster is dangerous °_°"

  • @bashlindsay7618
    @bashlindsay7618 Год назад +21

    I don't care about the mistakes made in the game, I just here to watch a awesome fun game of Commander and that's it, watching for mistakes, not even on my list of priorities for watching commander games.

  • @Mattador666
    @Mattador666 Год назад +12

    Great games! It was really fun to watch. I was not expecting Dana to pop off so quickly. Really glad y’all ran it back though.

  • @NickLyttle
    @NickLyttle Год назад +24

    Damn - that Table Top Jock's mat Olivia is using is fantastic. Super cute and fun art, love the style of all the magic content creators and friends.
    As always great pod, super fun people - keep up the awesome work TTJ.

    • @makeout-hill
      @makeout-hill Год назад +2

      yeah I'mma need to buy that playmat

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +4

      I wish our playmats were still on sale. I gotta figure out a better vendor for them!

    • @NickLyttle
      @NickLyttle Год назад +1

      @@TabletopJocks definitely would scoop one. If you're ever back in Michigan, bring some back with ya and i'll scoop one off ya at Eternal Games in Warren or something.

  • @jeremyv3470
    @jeremyv3470 Год назад +10

    Never seen you guys use these type of effects and edits. Really enhanced the production in a unique way.

  • @justinorman8608
    @justinorman8608 Год назад +2

    God damn. I lol’d when Gavin said ‘play it out’

  • @andyh9381
    @andyh9381 Год назад +1

    44:24 sang "one is the loneliest sandbar..." right as I drew my opening hand, which included LONELY SANDBAR!!!

  • @josiahtoole4376
    @josiahtoole4376 Год назад +12

    I like how Gavin seems actually pretty disappointed Joe isn’t running the Meld combo.
    Like, “Dude, I designed this awesome thing where two cards become one card and it’s amazing, and… It’s not good enough for Joe.” 😂😂😂

  • @andrehall23
    @andrehall23 Год назад +5

    ONE BONE BROKEN FOR EVERY TWIG SNAPPED UNDER FOOT!
    All hail the Queen of the Elves! Dana Fischer

  • @fickle3532
    @fickle3532 Год назад +5

    Dana casting her whole and decking herself out is hilarious.

  • @logu0004
    @logu0004 Год назад +8

    Little disappointed Olivia isn't running an Alt version of light paws with her puppy on there. ( I know he's a fox)

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 Год назад +1

    Dana is so sharp and displays a lot of maturity for her age. Awesome to watch and I hope we see her on more episodes

  • @InfinityKrompt
    @InfinityKrompt Год назад +5

    Dana is spending too much time around Olivia. She heard "Inside of you there are two monsters" and instead went "But what if there is only one monster, and its a hoard of elves?"

  • @joehenderson1
    @joehenderson1 Год назад +1

    I appreciate y'all. Thank Blackneto for being YOU. Cheers mate!

  • @Hemlocker
    @Hemlocker Год назад +8

    Gavin and Dana is such a great combo

  • @isaiahwelch8066
    @isaiahwelch8066 Год назад

    Just a clarification, but Gift attached to Light-Paws works like this:
    If Light-Paws dies and goes to the 'yard, it immediately comes back. Gift doesn't come back until EOT -- which means that if you kill Light-Paws a second time, and it goes back to the Command Zone or stays in the 'yard, at EOT Gift won't move from the 'yard since it's original creature isn't on the battlefield.

  • @tyleryoakum8350
    @tyleryoakum8350 Год назад +1

    My playgroup needs to know when will we see Joe's Samut vs Posty's Zur vs Cassius' Urza vs Kyle's (Hill) Narset. We need the heat, we need the absurdity of that pod to happen😩🔥🔥🔥

  • @xelamorphic
    @xelamorphic Год назад +2

    I know you've had it for a bit but that intro sequence with the mystical archive cards is hot

  • @ajh12123
    @ajh12123 Год назад +1

    Great episode as always! Dana could've gotten the second win too with Primal Surge as it says you "may" put it on the battlefield. She could've stopped exiling cards at anytime. It was cool to see it play out though!

    • @ryankelly1246
      @ryankelly1246 Год назад

      Yea she had the cards looking at that decklist to easily win stoping even at 10 left in library. But I get the greed. She really needs to add a Aether Flux Res and a Staff of Domination. Gives her another way to go inf mana and another way to win off the life payout. Plus add in primal surge and now you got 3 wincons you can stop at it your too worried about mill be it self inflicted or not.

  • @CptnHowdy2475
    @CptnHowdy2475 Год назад +1

    I hate ads but god the Dockside screech is hilarious 😂😂

  • @chevin0
    @chevin0 Год назад +1

    I'm mad at Dana, now I want to rebuild Primal Surge Omnath!
    Seriously though, seeing her hit it two games in a row was amazing

  • @dylandehart5246
    @dylandehart5246 Год назад +1

    This is a good example of why, when someone "goes infinite" you make them show you how.

  • @ZypherWildfire
    @ZypherWildfire Год назад

    Awesome game! I love seeing other elf decks and how people build decks differently in general. [Primal Surge] elves is an awesome concept.
    I realize the "battlefield" looks different as a spectator than a player. However, I think, perhaps, Dana may have still had the win. I think with [Ambush Commander], [Heart Warden], [Nullmage Shepard], [Reclamation Sage], and/or [Ghost Quarter] l, she would have enough activation triggers to put stuff into her graveyard and survive the draw triggers with her [Bow of Nylea] activation.

  • @bashlindsay7618
    @bashlindsay7618 Год назад +4

    Been looking forward to this episode, its going to be awesome

  • @MatthewRyanDP
    @MatthewRyanDP Год назад +5

    I'm 31, my brother was born in 2007....this hurt me deeply I'm now going to put on my apple bottom jeans and cry

  • @kennypuckett2677
    @kennypuckett2677 Год назад +1

    Gavin, The Professional Face Breaker, went to the school of hard knocks.

  • @michaelsinnreich6626
    @michaelsinnreich6626 Год назад +2

    😮 I don't think I've ever seen a legal commander deck go that hard that fast.

  • @stevenjohnson7529
    @stevenjohnson7529 Год назад +4

    Epic 1st win Dana

  • @bashlindsay7618
    @bashlindsay7618 Год назад

    I am almost done building my Rashmi and Ragavan Treasure deck, just waiting for the last 14 cards to come in the mail from Card Kingdom. I'm so excited 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

  • @Straffus
    @Straffus Год назад

    Thanks Gavin, had to go back and listen to that song that should have remained in the past.

  • @turbopuschel
    @turbopuschel Год назад +2

    on the one hand i feel sad for the dana's "misplay" , on the other hand she will handle it better in the future. don't be ashamed of your misplays, use them to get better :)

  • @urza4282
    @urza4282 Год назад +1

    Funny you mentioned DCI numbers - I still have my DCI card!

  • @ZypherWildfire
    @ZypherWildfire Год назад

    What's the lifetracker app you use?

  • @MtendoTheSkunk
    @MtendoTheSkunk Год назад +1

    The Bow was the answer if Dana had a few fetchlands or anything to sacrifice permanents to increase the graveyard she would've won. But that's how you learn how to fix your deck and make it so that can't happen next time!

  • @lightfut
    @lightfut Год назад +3

    Primal surge do be surgin

  • @GrinningFeline
    @GrinningFeline Год назад

    So glad Moxtopper’s commander damage can deduct from life totals now! 23:24

  • @SilHbs
    @SilHbs Год назад

    And this episode shows exactly why I gave up on build Light-Paws. So many searching and shuffling ahhhhh😢

  • @coffinspire9430
    @coffinspire9430 Год назад

    Glad there is some magic game play in the patreon ad.

  • @stevematthews4473
    @stevematthews4473 Год назад

    What app are you using for life/commander damage?

  • @GoodMorningMagic
    @GoodMorningMagic Год назад +2

    It's time to battle!!

  • @rowyngilfillan5113
    @rowyngilfillan5113 Год назад

    As a primal surge player, the last card of her deck would have been exiled, and if it was a permanant there would be the option to put it onto the battlefield then repeat.. the land would have been gone, however this does make me wonder if the interaction of exiling the top card would cause one to lose, if there is no deck? Similar to drawing to death, but, not.

  • @DeadBodyMan
    @DeadBodyMan Год назад +6

    Oh man… The fitted D… 😮 Joe used to start the videos by saying “whatupdoe” and I was like… “i wonder if he’s from my hometown?” but now I know…. 😭 one of the MTG homies from back home made it in the big time!
    Keep going, bro! Don’t ever stop!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +3

      Born and raised in Flint town! Love to see it!

    • @DeadBodyMan
      @DeadBodyMan Год назад +3

      @@TabletopJocks I went to school in Flint and worked automotive before moving to Cali. We used to love a Flint Town hip hop group called Dayton Family back in those days. 😂 Keep rising! We’re all cheering for you!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +3

      @@DeadBodyMan wait, you in Cali now? We gotta get a game in!

    • @DeadBodyMan
      @DeadBodyMan Год назад +4

      Alright. As of Today, I’m your newest Patreon. We gotta show this flag. 😂 Maybe I’ll see you on the discord. If you’re in The Bay for anything or if we make it to LA, I hope to shake your hand someday. You can even roll over one of my janky decks if it works out sometime. 🤣 your vids are all fire!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +2

      @@DeadBodyMan appreciate all the love and support! This is what I’m talking about! We gotta support one another! We all we got! I’ll be in the Bay soon too I’ll hit you up! Also every Thursday we do Commander day in the discord so hop in there for some spelltable games! Let’s definitely link! 🙌🏾

  • @bryangiron5354
    @bryangiron5354 Год назад +1

    Was blind obedience legal to play? It has a black pip no? Therefore it goes against the commander’s color identity?

    • @YayoCruz28
      @YayoCruz28 Год назад

      It's completely legal, in this case, the symbol is in the reminder text, which explains what "extort" does, so it's not counted. Reminder text has no rules meaning, so it doesn't count towards color identity.

    • @bryangiron5354
      @bryangiron5354 Год назад +1

      Ahhhh I see thanks 😃

  • @iman132394
    @iman132394 Год назад

    I want to mention the primal surge needs to be played out. If there is a guardian project or an "etb something, draw a card" effect, the triggers are put onto the stack and when resolving, it can cause you to lose by drawing an empty deck.

    • @InfinityKrompt
      @InfinityKrompt Год назад

      Primal Surge also says "If it's a permanent card, you *may* put it onto the battlefield. If you do, repeat this process." so she can stop it at with one card left in her deck

  • @AlexDuWaldt
    @AlexDuWaldt Год назад

    32:26 Oops. Rookie play there. Blind obedience makes the treasures come in tapped so no Joe didn't have enough mana for bastion of remembrance that turn.

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      We hang with friends and play. Mistakes will be made. At the end of the day we are here to show our love for the game and the friends we make along the way ☺️

  • @the_social_gammer1976
    @the_social_gammer1976 Год назад +1

    What is that app you use? For life Totals?

  • @josedcordero
    @josedcordero Год назад

    I have a question and not trying to nitpick but get a better understanding of commander rules. Olivia's commander is light paws and she has a blind obedience in her deck that has an extort cost of 1 orzhov, is that allowed to be in the deck due to commander color restriction, or does the extort not count as a color identity of a card?

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      Extort is reminder text, not a part of the identity of the card

    • @josedcordero
      @josedcordero Год назад

      @@TabletopJocks thank you, also thank you for the great content. I always leave smiling after watching your videos🥰

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад

      @@josedcordero of course! Appreciate the love and support! ☺️

  • @ThatDJMike
    @ThatDJMike 11 месяцев назад

    “Again, say less”
    “I stopped talking early that time”
    😂the whitest interaction on this episode 😂

  • @lukasschmitt3075
    @lukasschmitt3075 Год назад

    Can some tell me what App they are using to track life? Thanks in advance!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      Moxtopper!

    • @lukasschmitt3075
      @lukasschmitt3075 Год назад

      @@TabletopJocks Thanks! Did I Just miss it or dont you write this Info under the Video or at the end of it. I think there are multiple people who would like to know this and maybe Just dont ask

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      Nah we never said anything about it we just used a new app and ended up liking it.

    • @lukasschmitt3075
      @lukasschmitt3075 Год назад

      @@TabletopJocks Great App - and great gameplay. Keep it going! Enjoy watching it from germany 🙃

  • @jameslawson6729
    @jameslawson6729 Год назад

    Missed opportunity to call light paws "flight paws" when it gained flying from the aura.

  • @kais.kustomes2578
    @kais.kustomes2578 Год назад

    Can’t play bastion of remembrance at 33:37 because artifacts come in tapped due to blind obedience

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад

      Bastion of remembrance is an enchantment.

  • @wesleypollek4637
    @wesleypollek4637 Год назад

    Love the energy with these games, fun to see even the experts like Gavin make silly mistakes

  • @obicortes8199
    @obicortes8199 Год назад +3

    Y'all took 5 points of psychic damage when you found out Low was so much older than Dana.

    • @GrinningFeline
      @GrinningFeline Год назад

      Get Low - 2002
      It can legally drink in the US

    • @obicortes8199
      @obicortes8199 Год назад

      @Tim Christopher sorry that was meant to be low which is 2008

    • @GrinningFeline
      @GrinningFeline Год назад

      Sorry! You right!

    • @obicortes8199
      @obicortes8199 Год назад +1

      My fault I typed Iin the wrong song.

  • @RubertoPaulo
    @RubertoPaulo Год назад

    What app is that life tracker? Really epic game

  • @confessionsofafrustratedga6465

    This is the Mishra deck Joe plays to make you think (in thumb nail) he's playing a fun meld deck, but then does the most typical Cedh Rakdos combo win.

  • @ItsGawa_
    @ItsGawa_ Год назад

    Bro I need to know where do you get the sailor moon sweater from the intro😮‍💨

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +2

      It was a gift from my friend Austin ☺️

  • @Q_Budz
    @Q_Budz Год назад +1

    Yo wtf, Dana out here being the master puppeteer

  • @Pumapeach
    @Pumapeach Год назад

    Great games. Dana definitely had that game 2 as well if she just tapped four creatures to destroy an artifact before she bowed.

  • @dustindickey9202
    @dustindickey9202 Год назад

    What app are they using here for tracking life?

  • @tommyoffret4147
    @tommyoffret4147 Год назад

    I play with some work friends. 1 of them an elf precon is their only commander deck, I always tell everyone else he's the problem and nobody believes me because my favorite deck is a drain/gain deck

  • @williamhoadley5089
    @williamhoadley5089 Год назад

    Newer to the game and I have a question - I can see how Dana gets infinite mana with her combo but how does that win the game from there on the same turn? Does she use the trample from commander and then umbral mantle untaps all the creatures without summoning sickness? and if she had at least 3 such creatures she can attack with at least one at each opponent with infinite power and trample?

    • @InfinityKrompt
      @InfinityKrompt Год назад +2

      She explains she has Umbra Mantle to untap, yes. However she also has Ezuri, her commander, who says "2GGG: Elf Creatures you control get +3/+3 and and gain trample until end of turn" which she can use an infinite number of times by tapping Circle of Dreams Druid for 1 Green mana for each creature she controls, and she has Ambush Commander which would turn all of her lands into 1/1 elves which would also benefit from Ezuri's buff.
      She also has in her deck Thousand-Year Elixir, which allows her to tap creatures as if they had haste to activate abilities, such as Timberwatch Elf, which says "Tap, target creature gets +x/+x where X is the number of elves in play" and Coat of Arms which says "Each creature gets +1/+1 for each other creature on the battlefield that shares at least one creature type with it." So every elf gets +1/+1 for every other elf in play, which is basically every creature Dana controls, plus 27 of her lands.
      So TLDR answer: Yes. She just needs to swing her three mana dorks that had been on the board at the three players, each one would have infinite power and trample to win her the game thanks to her ability to untap creatures

  • @egoish6762
    @egoish6762 Год назад

    I think Joe could have been attacking Olivia and tapping down lightpaws with goad on the attack trigger since she had not got the pro-creatures enchant? Wouldn't be able to block and his life total would be safer.
    Not sure what effect it would have had but karazikars trigger is pretty strong against voltron.

    • @OrphixRoyal
      @OrphixRoyal Год назад +1

      Swiftfoot Boots be strong.

    • @egoish6762
      @egoish6762 Год назад

      @@OrphixRoyal ah yes, i assumed i'd missed something. Sometimes a bit hard to see the board state from the overhead.

  • @Solus3D
    @Solus3D Год назад +1

    I love your Sailor Moon hod.

  • @rosehawker
    @rosehawker Год назад

    I have my DCI card from my first pr release with was Mirrodn.

  • @Dark-Pikachu1
    @Dark-Pikachu1 Год назад

    56:12 I really thought he was getting Sensei’s divining top

  • @master-zaynelotus5048
    @master-zaynelotus5048 Год назад

    I haven't watched yet, but Ezuri!!! My main man, no Yisan tho. Lol

  • @theaeskey2502
    @theaeskey2502 Год назад

    Boots with fur was 2007 EMOTIONAL DMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂

  • @PirateNori
    @PirateNori Год назад +1

    Lovely game as always

  • @antoniofontoura2260
    @antoniofontoura2260 Год назад

    What's the name of the app they're using to keep track of life/commander damage?

  • @donaldwoolstenhulme9333
    @donaldwoolstenhulme9333 Год назад

    The enchantment on the land should have been destroyed right?

  • @ThePhoenix0442
    @ThePhoenix0442 Год назад

    What app are they using on that tablet?

  • @Dark-Pikachu1
    @Dark-Pikachu1 Год назад

    53:42 but he could tap all her creatures before attacker’s because she wins by attacking with the elf’s to get a turn?

  • @juggernautstark1
    @juggernautstark1 Год назад

    49:40 Gavin says “so the turn immediately ends”
    Not the case. When a player loses, You still go through the steps and phases 🤓

  • @Barsleepra
    @Barsleepra Год назад

    I need a Jockside Extortionist alter now

  • @clemenskomorovski5131
    @clemenskomorovski5131 Год назад

    How do you pay the mana cost for Phyrexian Arena ? 1BB Temple if the falsche god make nothing with 3 Lands in play!?

    • @Issblodh
      @Issblodh Год назад +1

      Joe had an Urborg in play.

  • @brucwayn6403
    @brucwayn6403 Год назад +1

    Elven army go infinite pew pew

  • @justinorman8608
    @justinorman8608 Год назад

    GG’s to all.
    What a game.
    🍻

  • @AngryTotodile
    @AngryTotodile Год назад

    What life tracking app is that?

  • @pnwprospecting
    @pnwprospecting Год назад

    Come to Portland and play a game!

  • @douggiefresh1990
    @douggiefresh1990 Год назад +2

    Dana forgot to destroy the enchantment on her Forest but great games regardless

    • @herman1850
      @herman1850 Год назад +1

      Yeah, continued to tap the land for more mana, which cast her commander, gave nythos an extra devotion, and made Primal Surge possible.

  • @illshowyouwhorock
    @illshowyouwhorock Год назад

    What app are they using?

  • @jokerES2
    @jokerES2 Год назад

    Dana needs Abundance. Which should already be in there?

  • @oldmanaaron
    @oldmanaaron Год назад +1

    Great games!

  • @vinluv
    @vinluv Год назад

    I'm surprised Dana didnt have something like concordant crossroads to give all her creatures haste

    • @cameronsadler2647
      @cameronsadler2647 Год назад

      They had haste but the card draw was on stack so she couldn’t enter combat. If she entered combat the card draw would resolve losing the game

  • @joshuajoly8582
    @joshuajoly8582 Год назад

    Fun fact, Low By Flow Rida came out in 2008. IIRC, That is indeed older than dana 🤣

    • @strubbarz
      @strubbarz Год назад

      it was released in 2007
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_(Flo_Rida_song)

  • @elvincortez1484
    @elvincortez1484 Год назад

    My merieke deck is a Sfax control/ combo deck

  • @nik700
    @nik700 Год назад

    I'm not saying that playing Mishra without the Dragon Engine is wrong, but I'm saying it. BUt that's ok, I love you Joe even with your wrong decisions!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      If it had the same abilities as the front still I’d put it in. The deck goes wide so I don’t really need it in there for the way I play it.

  • @lb9662
    @lb9662 Год назад

    nullmage shepherd your own thing then activate bow to save from mill out

  • @Zoomsoldier5
    @Zoomsoldier5 Год назад

    is that a duquesne dukes hat on joe?

  • @cross1115
    @cross1115 Год назад

    i turned to dust right along with yall 😭

  • @Mad.Edd.702
    @Mad.Edd.702 Год назад +2

    I fuckin love this show😊

  • @TheTamally
    @TheTamally Год назад +1

    I am also against the Mishra meld, the base ability is just so much better.

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад

      Right! I just like that side of it! 🥳

  • @kairucamp
    @kairucamp Год назад

    surprised mishra didnt meld with the dragon this game but another interesting take!

    • @TabletopJocks
      @TabletopJocks  Год назад +1

      I didn’t put the meld card in because Mishra won’t keep the top ability. I go pretty wide in the deck and the meld shuts that off.

    • @kairucamp
      @kairucamp Год назад

      @@TabletopJocks ahh understood!

  • @SirPoonga
    @SirPoonga Год назад

    Good game. I do not like that life tracker because it links commander damage and life. It happens in every game it is used that people have to correct the life.

  • @ally1234302
    @ally1234302 Год назад

    16 minutes and they done wow

  • @nerdlabmtg
    @nerdlabmtg Год назад

    I don't like that Gavin was able to take a play back when he forgot about a trigger (Blind Obedience) but when Dana doesn't realize a trigger after playing out her entire library she wasn't able to take her last draw back. Other than that this was one of my favorite TTJ games. Nice work.

    • @IamtheTolle
      @IamtheTolle Год назад

      I mean, not casting a spell is a pretty small game action to reverse, rather than separating out everything that just came in play. Its rough, but learning from misplays is important too.

    • @nerdlabmtg
      @nerdlabmtg Год назад

      @@IamtheTolle True but there gets a point when you are trying to play out the action as quickly as possible for the sake of the group. Good Pods will help you with your triggers at that point. You could tell the man was salty though.

  • @taylorjohnson5148
    @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

    Fun games

  • @TheMisleduser
    @TheMisleduser Год назад

    Did she even have the mana the 2nd time for that surge? All enchantments were destroyed and she kept that enchant land in play when it should have been so the devotion on nyx wouldnt of been enough