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I was just thinking about that. I loved how the NHL used to postpone the all-star game in a year where the winter games happened. It made so much sense and I miss it.
If the WBC was any indicator, then MLB needs to figure out how to get their players in the Olympics, it will be absolutely amazing for the game and gives guys a sense of pride representing their nation on the world stage
yes would be great because Olympics is international and would be great. all other pro sports participate So could work out the timing within the All star break for this 2028 season.
Or just have the Olympic Tournament right after the Super Bowl in that few weeks leading up to MLB regular season Opener. Off topic. Hockey and the NHL Olympic Tournament should have been held also in the Summer Olympics. With the Winter Olympics having the best young adults hockey players age 21 and younger.
I went to a couple Olympic baseball games in 1984 at Dodgers stadium. I saw Korea beat Canada, and then Japan ran away in a laugher against Nicaragua. It was a lot of fun though.
Never count on MLB owners doing anything but worrying about the one penny on the ground in front of them instead of the dollar around the corner. Part of the reason baseball got removed from the Olympics was because of the lack of the best players showing up. I bet the owners wouldn't even want to send any of their top prospects because of fear of injury. The plus of the Olympics over the WBC is that players are right in the middle of the season so they're should be less chance of injury, but of course there are no guarantees. Btw, they haven't decided on a venue for the baseball but softball is being played in Oklahoma City.
Problem with WBC is that it's a gobal event for baseball fans. For the Olympics, like any sport, it's to help promote baseball and provide more exposure to casual fans. As for filling out the roster, for the Tokyo Olympics, USA filled out the roster with Triple AAA minor leaguers and major league FAs (Scott Kazmir was DFA'd by the Giants then joined Team USA right after). On the other hand, because it was in Tokyo, Samurai Japan was able to fill out its roster with professional players from the NPB (Japan's top baseball league), including Kodai Senga and Seiya Suzuki before they signed with MLB teams. If they can do it, why can't USA and MLB do it?
If I remember correctly, a sport must have regular world championship competitions in order to qualify to be on the Olympic program, except as an exhibition event. In other words, the WBC (or similar) needs to exist in order for baseball to qualify as a regular Olympic sport.
Yeah I think an ideal form of Olympic baseball would co-exist nicely with the WBC. The WBC is a longer tournament featuring tons and tons of teams from all over and that's great. Ideal Olympic baseball would be a short tournament with basically just the best of the best going at it. Both would have their place and people would get excited about both (and we wouldn't have to wait for 4 years for each WBC).
The WBC follows its own qualifiers. Just like the World Cup in football. The tournament you're thinking of is the Premier 12. That's the qualifying tournament for Olympic baseball, and it happened last month. Also the WBC happens a year (actually only 8 months) after the Olympics. From 2029 on forward it will be held every 4 years. Los Angeles 2028, WBC 2029, Brisbane 2032, WBC 2033, and so on and so forth? Not happening. Olympic baseball is completely at odds with the WBC. Instead use the Olympics as a top prospect tournament. Make it U-23 or U-24.
BTW, Dodger Stadium was the Baseball venue in 1984, when it was an Exhibition (non-medal) sport. The main venue at LA28 will be Dodger Stadium again, but the preliminary venues are still TBD. The next World Baseball Classic will be in 2026, so no conflict with the Olympics. But FIFA doesn't have an issue with Olympic Football/Soccer, yet we still have the World Cup. I think there should be an NHL-like hiatus for the Olympic Baseball. In Atlanta 1996, professionals were still not allowed to play team sports, so this is uncharted territory here. But with so many international players in the MLB today, and the fervor demonstrated at the WBC, you know there's a lot of players who want to win a medal. I understand there will be league-wide revenue lost by shutting down the season for 2 weeks. But MLB stadiums outside of the official competition venues should open up as Olympic baseball (or even other Olympic sport) viewing party sites, so their concessions can still generate revenue. In lieu of an ASG, how about having an All-USA Team vote?
I would love to see MLB stars in 2028! I think one of the biggest hangups that you didn’t mention would be the trade deadline would be the week after the games would end, and I’d assume owners would push back on that. As far as scheduling, the NPB figured out a way in 2021 to pause the season for team Japan, I think MLB can figure it out.
I don’t think the MLB or players should worry about the Olympics. If I’m the MLB the WBC is a much better event to prop up the game with no other events to take away from it.
It is except that the timing of it being in the preseason, there’s too many limits put on players going all out to win. The best timing would be in November but MLB doesn’t want it overshadowing the World Series.
Brodie, your production values are consistently top-notch! The title reveals, transitions, and point-form notes on the side are such a nice touch. I'm curious what editing software and transitions you use? I use Final Cut Pro, but I’m always keen to up my editing game. Keep up the good work!
Here was the starting lineup for Team USA in its first game in Tokyo 2020: 1: Jamie Westbrook (LF) 2: Eddy Alvarez (2B) 3: Tyler Austin (DH) 4: Triston Casas (1B) 5: Todd Frazier (3B) 6: Eric Filia (RF) 7: Mark Kolozsvary (C) 8: Bubba Starling (CF) 9: Nick Allen (SS) SP: Joe Ryan While there are some notable names in that lineup (Frazier and Casas), most of them are fringe MLB players at best. Compare it to this potential Team USA starting lineup I've thought of for 2028 -- not actually in a lineup order: SP: Paul Skenes C: Adley Rutschman 1B: Bryce Harper 2B: Jackson Holliday SS: Bobby Witt, Jr. 3B: Gunnar Henderson OF: Steven Kwan, Kyle Tucker and Corbin Carroll DH: Aaron Judge. Closer: Mason Miller Taking a two-week break and allowing these MLB stars to participate would give attract more eyeballs and allow baseball to grow. As this guy said, while the WBC is great, the Olympics is much more prestigious.
July 14 seems kind of early to start the Summer Olympics, but given that time frame, that is about when MLB takes their All Star break. It can be done.
If they use Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium, and Petco Park, they can compress the Olympic baseball schedule and shorten the required break. You can play three games at once.
The owners issue is going to be who pays for the insurance in case a player gets hurt. For Hockey the IIHF agreed to pay for the insurance and travel for the Olympics that NHL players participated.
Here's an idea for a format. The 6 countries with the most MLB players are put into 2 groups of 4 teams. So for example the U.S., D.R., Puerto Rico, Cuba, Venezuela, and Mexico are automatically placed in these groups The 4th team in those groups is from an 8-team round robin that takes place during the 1st week of the Olympics. This would allow you to have teams from Europe and other places where baseball isn't very popular have an entry in the tournament. Also countries such as South Korea and Japan would be in this part of the bracket. Top 2 from the 1st week advance to the 2nd week. MLB only has to shut down a week. Round robin takes place Tues-Thur, international home run derby Fri, Semis Sat, Medal games Sun. I think you could pull this off using Dodger and Angel stadiums. Dodgers and Angels just have long road trips before the Olympic shut down. I say you have 30-man rosters with pitcher rules such as if you throw over 100 pitches in a game you can't pitch again in the tournament, can't throw back to back days if you throw more than 20 pitches, can't pitch 3 days in a row. Just some ideas.
When they baseball at the Olympics in 1984, here are just a few players who were on team USA... How about Will Clark, Mark McGwire, pitcher Scott Bankhead, Chris Gwynn (Tony's brother), Barry Larkin, BJ Surhoff, Oddibe McDowell, Cory Snider, pitchers Billy Swift and Bobby Witt!
The only difficulty are the pitchers who don't go and having to "restart" themselves after the Olympics. Would be great for their participation though.
I don't think hockey will ever be moved to the summer games but that is surprisingly where it mades it debut at the Olympics. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the WBC is having their next tournament in 2026 and I'm pretty sure they plan on having it every four years from then on out so the MLB shouldn't have to worry about hosting the tournament the same year as the Olympics. Regardless, 2028 and potentially 2032 (I'd expect Brisbane will include baseball) might be the only chances the MLB has to showcase itself to a truly global audience in the near future so they really need to consider letting the players participate.
The mid-season shutdown & injury risk is likely too much for MLB. Players' opinions aside, if the owners aren't making money out of it, is there really any chance of MLB players participating in the Olympics?
Cricket will also be in LA ball and bat sports have 3 billion fans world wide even Soccer only has 3 and half billion so that is a lot. But the thing is two and half billion of these fans are Cricket fans so long term Cricket will be the ball and bat sport that sticks however the WBC keeps getting better it is really all Baseball needs , what would be better was if it was every two years
Steve Kerr and the Memphis Grizzles were the reasons why Andrew Wiggins and Zach Edey didn't play for Canada in Paris. They blocked those dudes from doing so lol
Take two weeks off at the all star break. Don't have the all-star game. Start a week earlier in the spring. Than extend an extra week at the end of season.
Or they could do the all star game in LA that year and go straight into Olympics baseball games cause there r some events in the Olympics that always start before the opening ceremony begins
Easiest solution is to move the WBC to 2029. Start the season early, take the olympic break and get millions of new eyes on the sport as best as we can make it, then have the WBC in 2029 to give the new fans another global tournament to watch. Win for all sides IMO
@@brodiebrazil Yeah, getting MLB players in the Olympics should be a real goal, then the next WBC could have a bump from new viewers, leading into potential new MLB fans. I'm really excited to see how this turns out, I especially want to see the guys who are fighting to be able to play for their countries.
The WBC is supposed to be every four years. There was supposed to be one next year but because COVID bumped 2021 to 2023 they have moved the 2025 classic back one year to 2026. There won’t be one in 2028.
The Dodgers have given their approval and their cooperation in the Los Angeles Olympic bid plan for Dodger Stadium to host baseball, but the whole situation that Brodie is talking about is what's keeping everything from being official. Also, there will be other MLB ballparks who will host preliminary rounds, and that hasn't been determined yet, due to the MLB 2028 season issue. I suppose it won't be inked until 2026. Having a long road trip for participating Olympic venue teams is a good argument to have an Olympic hiatus.
@@bhratbrat That would suck. For football/soccer, there were 16 (men's) teams and for basketball, 12 (men's) teams at Paris 2024. Either of those would be a good model to emulate.
They could split the season, as they did after the 56-day midseason strike in 1981 -- and that might create even MORE playoff games to sell to the networks.
So is baseball’s current Olympic status that they will have it when played in countries with baseball stadiums? That’s what it seems like their policy is now.
I think if Baseball were in the Olympics then we wouldn't want the WBC. The WBC works better for baseball than the Olympics. There is too high a risk for injury in baseball to have both.
Nope, we are nowhere close to soccer's popularity to dig trenches around the WBC and disregard the Olympics. Imo a sport's prime international competition only consolidate popularity in places where it already enjoys attention by a chunk of the population. Soccer captured the global attention with Pele and the World Cup at the dawn of the worldwide TV era. Now it enjoys popularity in virtually every country in the world. It, and no other sport, can now afford passing on the Olympics as the prime promotional event.
@@khaikhuc1432you don't need to be at football level. Cricket and Rugby also do it. And baseball is absolutely bigger (at the very least equal) than rugby. The WBC is big enough to disregard the Olympics. It's the superior product and it's designed around baseball culture and history. PS: Basketball could also have a massive World Cup but the NBA actively decides to sabotage it. Imagine if the NBA allows and encourages its players to partake in the FIBA World Cup, the ratings would dwarf those of the Olympics, I guarantee you that.
I'm not sure it's viable for MLB to do this. You'd be extending the regular season calendar by at least two weeks and if that year's World Series goes 7 games, you're looking at potentially wrapping the season sometime around Veteran's Day and I doubt the MLBPA would be on board with this because it'd be a shortened off-season.
Break off 18 games from the regular season and have a separate competition during the Olympics. Owners still get the 9 home games they lose from the shortened regular season. Teams not in contention get a fresh start and a chance for a title. Baseball nearly moved to the Winter Olympics in 2002 - the games would have been played in Phoenix.
Why couldn't the World Baseball Classic serve as the Olympic competition for Baseball that year? If the softball competition is being allowed to be held in Oklahoma City why not this?
The WBC is totally different from the Olympics. Just like the FIBA World Cup (FIBA = world basketball's governing body) is totally different from the Olympics. The WBC is not the Olympic baseball competition. Yes, Olympic softball will be in Oklahoma City. But that's the actual Olympic softball competition.
The ioc has already stated that they fully expect baseball to be included in 2032 as well. Also by then, the 2024 #1 mlb draft pick Travis bazzana should have already made a name for himself and I think Australia would be crazy to not want to allow him to showcase his talent in his home country. That is of course if mlb players are allowed to play as well.
Even though I don't think this will happen but I'll say it anyways I would like a shortened season in 2028 that would allow the players to go to Olympics & still have the World Series done by November, at the end of the day LA is a huge market and the best of the best should represent their country on the world stage
Historical note: before FIFA staged their first World Cup in 1930, the Olympics Soccer tournament was the defacto world championship. Since then, the relationship between the IOC & FIFA has been fraught: the IOC wants their tournament to feature full national teams just like in the World Cup, whereas FIFA does not, thus the age-restricted situation for the Men's tournament. Lastly, the World Baseball Classic has a long way to go before it gets anywhere near the FIFA World Cup.
Well the World Cup is way fucking better than the Olympics with or without pros + the euros and Copa America, the worlds 2 biggest continental tournaments in the world take place weeks before the Olympics so don’t expect mbappe, Vinicius, Haaland, Bellingham, kane, Messi, van dijk, modric, etc to just jump over to the Olympics days after they just played a major tournament. The month between the end of those tournaments and the start of the season is the rest period + soccer dosent need the Olympics, never had needed it. The World Cup which is one sport is larger in popularity and viewership than the Olympics, baseball could use it because baseball is huge in America, east Asia, and the Caribbean, whereas soccer is huge globally. Beside the US & Canada which still have fairly large soccer fan bases. There are enormous fan bases in every country in the world. Soccer is either the number 1-2 sport or tied with another sport in popularity in most other countries. Baseball needs the Olympics because imagine how much growth baseball could get outside of the Americas and east Asia region. I could see millions of new fans all over the world from like Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Britain, India, etc. and I might be over exaggerating but you’re still getting millions of new fans globally from countries that wouldn’t normally bat an eye for baseball.
@@brodiebrazilI agree, but...Couldn't they have Pitchers go in simulated games. Or maybe play some form of Spring Training where the players not in the Olympics play a team close to them in a Home and Home Series (or intersquad games with FanFest type deals) with cheap tickets and concessions. Keeps players timing at mid-season level, makes the owners revenue, and keeps local fans coming to the ballpark.
That taboo of playing “ice hockey” in hot cities and during the summer is over. The 2 recent Stanley Cup Champions are based in both Las Vegas and Miami/Ft Lauderdale. So an ice hockey summer tournament can be held in the Summer.
The 2000 USA team would’ve been great with MLB players. C. Biggio, 2B D. Jeter, SS B. Bonds, LF M. McGwire, 1B K. Griffey Jr., CF A. Belle, RF M. Piazza, C C. Jones, 3B F. Thomas, 1B/DH B. Larkin, SS K. Lofton, CF C. Ripken Jr., 3B L. Walker, RF T. Gwynn, RF J. Thome, 1B R. Johnson, LHP G. Maddux, RHP R. Clemens, RHP T. Glavine, LHP M. Mussina, RHP J. Smoltz, RHP R. Nen, RHP B. Wagner, LHP T. Hoffman, RHP Other considerations: C. Schilling, RHP K. Brown, RHP J. Kent, 2B J. Bagwell, 1B B. Williams, CF A. Jones, CF
Andruw Jones is from Curaçao so he would've played for The Netherlands. Larry Walker is from British Columbia so he would've played for Canada. If Puerto Rico had a team Bernie Williams would've played for them.
@@MarkMiller-kz8nm Great observations. Admittedly, I didn't bother checking all of their nations of origin (though I do vaguely remember hearing about Larry Walker being from Canada). Eliminating three players actually makes the list easier.
The WBC is scheduled for 2026. Brackets just came out today. I think it wouldn't be played again until 2029, so major leaguers in the Olympics doesn't interfere with the WBC.
The WNBA took two weeks off of their schedule so if the WNBA can take two weeks off of their schedule then in my opinion any professional league out there in the world can take time off for the professional players to play in the Olympics
Interesting thoughts indeed. What about the players who play on MLB teams but are not US citizens or maybe have dual citizenship? What about bringing in Triple A players for the team or College WS players? For Owners it could turn out to be a double edge financial sword so to speak. No MLB games for about 2 weeks so no revenue at all and a chance your star player suffers a season or career ending injury? Yeah, lots of discussion, lots of opinions and lots of money involved.
Its absurd not to. Dont just allow it. Lean the hell into it. Give the All Star Game to Dodger Stadium on tueaday before the Opening Ceremonies and make a huge deal of it. 3 weeks off. Encourage the non Olympic players to stay in tbe area and go to the games. Growing the sport means getting it in front of new people with the best you have.
Let the major leaguers play and play some exhibitions with the rest of the players. Make extra money and raise the sport's profile with the big leaguers. Look how successful the World Baseball Classic is.
I would like to see MLB players play in the Olympics plus the minor leagues. I think they would do well in the ratings. MLB should go on a break while the Olympics start but the owners would never go for it because they don't want their players injured. Realistically, I can see minor league and independent players go to the Olympics in 2028.
They need to have more than the six teams they had last time baseball was in olympics six teams is a joke.An Eight team round robin is the minimum that should be in in but i think a 12 team tournament with two pools of six.
@@taiam005 Team USA at the WBC is not even close to what the 1992 Dream Team was in basketball. In 5 WBCs Team USA has only won a single time and they lost two games in the group stage that year. The 1992 basketball team won every game by huge margins, 32 points was their lowest margin of victory.
@@redmarauder Oh for sure. There is a much better international distribution of talent in baseball than basketball. Also the American players don't view representing their country to be as prestigious as the international players do. Maybe it would be different if it wasn't during spring training.
@@redmarauder the Dominican's, Puerto Rico's, and Japan's Dream Teams are more exciting to watch because of the star power and passion they and their fans bring.
It just not possible the only reason there was a dream team was the rest of the world was not very good at Basketball at the time now other teams are filled with NBA players Baseball already has great players from all over the world.
In sport that does a terrible job at marking it’s top the summer Olympics would be best opportunity that mlb could have at marketing there too stars on the biggest stage in the world they would be foolish to not take advantage of it
Brodie, if MLB is serious about growing baseball among casual fans internationally, there is no bigger mainstream stage than the olympics. Its a no-brainer; they will accommodate it; its only a matter of how the details work out.
I'm sorry Brodie, but I had zero interest in watching the Basketball tournament at the olympics. And I don't think, outside of American sports discussion circles, I really didn't hear anyone talk about it.
Imagine how many fans you could get from like Germany, Argentina, India. I feel like the south Asian continent is a great place to get new fans because their favourite sport is cricket, a sport that is modeled similarly to baseball and if you have the most elite guys at the Olympics in 2028 you could expose baseball to regions that don’t necessarily have much interest in baseball and I think the south Asian countries are a great spot because you’re getting tons of new fans from there if exposed since it’s a global event watched by half of the world. Baseball will skyrocket if you expose it to the world
Facts like the WBC promotes the game but the Olympics can promote the game to a larger audience which can help other events that MLB does such as the LLWS and WBC
What if they took a couple of weekends during the early MLB season and played the group matches in cities all across MLB? And then only played the knockout rounds in LA during the actual Olympics. It would lessen the long break and let more fans see the Olympics across the country.
Traffic in Los Angeles is already a NIGHTMARE ‼️ How the heck are they going to pull off an Olympics’ in such a congested city 🌆 ⁉️ People need to get to work , school, responsibilities. Not exactly watching any games, let’s be honest
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the break worked for WNBA too.
2010 winter Olympics US v Canada gave hockey a spike
I was just thinking about that. I loved how the NHL used to postpone the all-star game in a year where the winter games happened. It made so much sense and I miss it.
@@wwefan11222Next Winter Games will have NHL Players.
They should cancel the All Star Game 2028 & just go all in on the Olympics.
If the WBC was any indicator, then MLB needs to figure out how to get their players in the Olympics, it will be absolutely amazing for the game and gives guys a sense of pride representing their nation on the world stage
yes would be great because Olympics is international and would be great. all other pro sports participate So could work out the timing within the All star break for this 2028 season.
Or just have the Olympic Tournament right after the Super Bowl in that few weeks leading up to MLB regular season Opener.
Off topic. Hockey and the NHL Olympic Tournament should have been held also in the Summer Olympics. With the Winter Olympics having the best young adults hockey players age 21 and younger.
@@americangiant1003or they can pause the season for a month and start baseball a month earlier every year the Olympics happen
"there's something so prestigious about the Olympics." - He gets it.
I went to a couple Olympic baseball games in 1984 at Dodgers stadium. I saw Korea beat Canada, and then Japan ran away in a laugher against Nicaragua. It was a lot of fun though.
Never count on MLB owners doing anything but worrying about the one penny on the ground in front of them instead of the dollar around the corner. Part of the reason baseball got removed from the Olympics was because of the lack of the best players showing up. I bet the owners wouldn't even want to send any of their top prospects because of fear of injury. The plus of the Olympics over the WBC is that players are right in the middle of the season so they're should be less chance of injury, but of course there are no guarantees. Btw, they haven't decided on a venue for the baseball but softball is being played in Oklahoma City.
Problem with WBC is that it's a gobal event for baseball fans. For the Olympics, like any sport, it's to help promote baseball and provide more exposure to casual fans.
As for filling out the roster, for the Tokyo Olympics, USA filled out the roster with Triple AAA minor leaguers and major league FAs (Scott Kazmir was DFA'd by the Giants then joined Team USA right after). On the other hand, because it was in Tokyo, Samurai Japan was able to fill out its roster with professional players from the NPB (Japan's top baseball league), including Kodai Senga and Seiya Suzuki before they signed with MLB teams. If they can do it, why can't USA and MLB do it?
Facts like I get the WBC is good and entertaining but it doesn't promote the game as much as the Olympics does
@@chloewu2760 WBC is better rather at consolidating interest in countries where baseball is around the mainstream.
If I remember correctly, a sport must have regular world championship competitions in order to qualify to be on the Olympic program, except as an exhibition event. In other words, the WBC (or similar) needs to exist in order for baseball to qualify as a regular Olympic sport.
Consider soccer. It is in the Olympics, but nobody doubts that the World Cup is the bigger deal. They coexist very well.
@brycechristensen2296 no body watched or bet on Olympic soccer. The Copa last month destroyed it in viewers and in Money bets .
Yeah I think an ideal form of Olympic baseball would co-exist nicely with the WBC. The WBC is a longer tournament featuring tons and tons of teams from all over and that's great. Ideal Olympic baseball would be a short tournament with basically just the best of the best going at it. Both would have their place and people would get excited about both (and we wouldn't have to wait for 4 years for each WBC).
The WBC follows its own qualifiers. Just like the World Cup in football.
The tournament you're thinking of is the Premier 12. That's the qualifying tournament for Olympic baseball, and it happened last month.
Also the WBC happens a year (actually only 8 months) after the Olympics. From 2029 on forward it will be held every 4 years. Los Angeles 2028, WBC 2029, Brisbane 2032, WBC 2033, and so on and so forth? Not happening.
Olympic baseball is completely at odds with the WBC. Instead use the Olympics as a top prospect tournament. Make it U-23 or U-24.
That sucks no Olympic breakdancing at the LA games in 2028
My heart is broken.
The country that gave the world Breaking in the first place can't even have it at their own Olympics...sad.
@@elsongs it’s not a real sport.
No it doesn’t. It shouldn’t have ever been included to begin with. It isn’t a sport.
Gay butt slamming LA number 1 sport
BTW, Dodger Stadium was the Baseball venue in 1984, when it was an Exhibition (non-medal) sport. The main venue at LA28 will be Dodger Stadium again, but the preliminary venues are still TBD.
The next World Baseball Classic will be in 2026, so no conflict with the Olympics. But FIFA doesn't have an issue with Olympic Football/Soccer, yet we still have the World Cup.
I think there should be an NHL-like hiatus for the Olympic Baseball. In Atlanta 1996, professionals were still not allowed to play team sports, so this is uncharted territory here. But with so many international players in the MLB today, and the fervor demonstrated at the WBC, you know there's a lot of players who want to win a medal.
I understand there will be league-wide revenue lost by shutting down the season for 2 weeks. But MLB stadiums outside of the official competition venues should open up as Olympic baseball (or even other Olympic sport) viewing party sites, so their concessions can still generate revenue.
In lieu of an ASG, how about having an All-USA Team vote?
FIFA does not recognize Olympic soccer and only players under 23 can play and most of the best under 23' s do not play ( three over 23's can play).
I would love to see MLB stars in 2028! I think one of the biggest hangups that you didn’t mention would be the trade deadline would be the week after the games would end, and I’d assume owners would push back on that. As far as scheduling, the NPB figured out a way in 2021 to pause the season for team Japan, I think MLB can figure it out.
I don’t think the MLB or players should worry about the Olympics. If I’m the MLB the WBC is a much better event to prop up the game with no other events to take away from it.
It is except that the timing of it being in the preseason, there’s too many limits put on players going all out to win. The best timing would be in November but MLB doesn’t want it overshadowing the World Series.
Brodie, your production values are consistently top-notch! The title reveals, transitions, and point-form notes on the side are such a nice touch. I'm curious what editing software and transitions you use? I use Final Cut Pro, but I’m always keen to up my editing game. Keep up the good work!
Watch the video he did about his studio.
Here was the starting lineup for Team USA in its first game in Tokyo 2020:
1: Jamie Westbrook (LF)
2: Eddy Alvarez (2B)
3: Tyler Austin (DH)
4: Triston Casas (1B)
5: Todd Frazier (3B)
6: Eric Filia (RF)
7: Mark Kolozsvary (C)
8: Bubba Starling (CF)
9: Nick Allen (SS)
SP: Joe Ryan
While there are some notable names in that lineup (Frazier and Casas), most of them are fringe MLB players at best. Compare it to this potential Team USA starting lineup I've thought of for 2028 -- not actually in a lineup order:
SP: Paul Skenes
C: Adley Rutschman
1B: Bryce Harper
2B: Jackson Holliday
SS: Bobby Witt, Jr.
3B: Gunnar Henderson
OF: Steven Kwan, Kyle Tucker and Corbin Carroll
DH: Aaron Judge.
Closer: Mason Miller
Taking a two-week break and allowing these MLB stars to participate would give attract more eyeballs and allow baseball to grow. As this guy said, while the WBC is great, the Olympics is much more prestigious.
July 14 seems kind of early to start the Summer Olympics, but given that time frame, that is about when MLB takes their All Star break. It can be done.
If they use Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium, and Petco Park, they can compress the Olympic baseball schedule and shorten the required break. You can play three games at once.
Love your channel 😊
The LA 2028 logo even looks like a baseball logo.
Guess who designed it...the same folks at Nike who design the City Connect jerseys.
The owners issue is going to be who pays for the insurance in case a player gets hurt. For Hockey the IIHF agreed to pay for the insurance and travel for the Olympics that NHL players participated.
Informative video, thanks for finally doing this. Keep us posted on this as we get closer to LA 2028😉👌👍💯
Here's an idea for a format. The 6 countries with the most MLB players are put into 2 groups of 4 teams. So for example the U.S., D.R., Puerto Rico, Cuba, Venezuela, and Mexico are automatically placed in these groups The 4th team in those groups is from an 8-team round robin that takes place during the 1st week of the Olympics. This would allow you to have teams from Europe and other places where baseball isn't very popular have an entry in the tournament. Also countries such as South Korea and Japan would be in this part of the bracket. Top 2 from the 1st week advance to the 2nd week. MLB only has to shut down a week. Round robin takes place Tues-Thur, international home run derby Fri, Semis Sat, Medal games Sun. I think you could pull this off using Dodger and Angel stadiums. Dodgers and Angels just have long road trips before the Olympic shut down. I say you have 30-man rosters with pitcher rules such as if you throw over 100 pitches in a game you can't pitch again in the tournament, can't throw back to back days if you throw more than 20 pitches, can't pitch 3 days in a row. Just some ideas.
When they baseball at the Olympics in 1984, here are just a few players who were on team USA... How about Will Clark, Mark McGwire, pitcher Scott Bankhead, Chris Gwynn (Tony's brother), Barry Larkin, BJ Surhoff, Oddibe McDowell, Cory Snider, pitchers Billy Swift and Bobby Witt!
These points all seem obvious to the average listener. It’s crazy that the league doesn’t see it the same way
The only difficulty are the pitchers who don't go and having to "restart" themselves after the Olympics.
Would be great for their participation though.
I don't think hockey will ever be moved to the summer games but that is surprisingly where it mades it debut at the Olympics. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the WBC is having their next tournament in 2026 and I'm pretty sure they plan on having it every four years from then on out so the MLB shouldn't have to worry about hosting the tournament the same year as the Olympics. Regardless, 2028 and potentially 2032 (I'd expect Brisbane will include baseball) might be the only chances the MLB has to showcase itself to a truly global audience in the near future so they really need to consider letting the players participate.
The mid-season shutdown & injury risk is likely too much for MLB. Players' opinions aside, if the owners aren't making money out of it, is there really any chance of MLB players participating in the Olympics?
I wonder if the owners can get some concessions from the Players Association for allowing major leaguers to play in the Olympics.
Cricket will also be in LA ball and bat sports have 3 billion fans world wide even Soccer only has 3 and half billion so that is a lot. But the thing is two and half billion of these fans are Cricket fans so long term Cricket will be the ball and bat sport that sticks however the WBC keeps getting better it is really all Baseball needs , what would be better was if it was every two years
An injury in the middle of a season/pennate race would make me feel worse than an injury during spring training
Steve Kerr and the Memphis Grizzles were the reasons why Andrew Wiggins and Zach Edey didn't play for Canada in Paris. They blocked those dudes from doing so lol
Take two weeks off at the all star break. Don't have the all-star game. Start a week earlier in the spring. Than extend an extra week at the end of season.
Or they could do the all star game in LA that year and go straight into Olympics baseball games cause there r some events in the Olympics that always start before the opening ceremony begins
Los Angeles said no Olympic breakdancing in 2028
Ice hockey is Winter Olympic sport not a Summer Olympic sport and field hockey is a Summer Olympic sport
There seems to be some confusion about the WBC. It’s supposed to be a one-in-four year event. There won’t be one in 2028.
I was just scrolling through the official LA28 website, and there's no venue listed for baseball. Softball will be played in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
They don't need to shut down. They can fill the ranks with minor leaguers for two weeks.
Agree
No one wants to watch that. They want to see the biggest names in the sport. Look at men's basketball.
@@deepvoicedude4749doesn't matter the owners get their money and games and the players get to play. It won't be every player from every team.
Use the WBC as an Olympic qualifier. Then take the final 4 or 6 teams to LA during what would be All-Star week.
Easiest solution is to move the WBC to 2029. Start the season early, take the olympic break and get millions of new eyes on the sport as best as we can make it, then have the WBC in 2029 to give the new fans another global tournament to watch. Win for all sides IMO
The last one was 2023. Should be 2027 to keep it every 4 years.
I believe WBC might be in 26 & 30 so skip 2028
@@brodiebrazil Yeah, getting MLB players in the Olympics should be a real goal, then the next WBC could have a bump from new viewers, leading into potential new MLB fans. I'm really excited to see how this turns out, I especially want to see the guys who are fighting to be able to play for their countries.
The WBC is supposed to be every four years. There was supposed to be one next year but because COVID bumped 2021 to 2023 they have moved the 2025 classic back one year to 2026. There won’t be one in 2028.
Right now no baseball venues has been officially announced. I know in 96 the braves had to be gone for 17 games
The Dodgers have given their approval and their cooperation in the Los Angeles Olympic bid plan for Dodger Stadium to host baseball, but the whole situation that Brodie is talking about is what's keeping everything from being official. Also, there will be other MLB ballparks who will host preliminary rounds, and that hasn't been determined yet, due to the MLB 2028 season issue. I suppose it won't be inked until 2026.
Having a long road trip for participating Olympic venue teams is a good argument to have an Olympic hiatus.
@@elsongs very much so on that front. I wonder if it'll only be 8 terms.
@@bhratbrat That would suck. For football/soccer, there were 16 (men's) teams and for basketball, 12 (men's) teams at Paris 2024. Either of those would be a good model to emulate.
They could split the season, as they did after the 56-day midseason strike in 1981 -- and that might create even MORE playoff games to sell to the networks.
So is baseball’s current Olympic status that they will have it when played in countries with baseball stadiums? That’s what it seems like their policy is now.
I think if Baseball were in the Olympics then we wouldn't want the WBC. The WBC works better for baseball than the Olympics. There is too high a risk for injury in baseball to have both.
Nope, we are nowhere close to soccer's popularity to dig trenches around the WBC and disregard the Olympics.
Imo a sport's prime international competition only consolidate popularity in places where it already enjoys attention by a chunk of the population.
Soccer captured the global attention with Pele and the World Cup at the dawn of the worldwide TV era. Now it enjoys popularity in virtually every country in the world. It, and no other sport, can now afford passing on the Olympics as the prime promotional event.
@@khaikhuc1432you don't need to be at football level. Cricket and Rugby also do it. And baseball is absolutely bigger (at the very least equal) than rugby.
The WBC is big enough to disregard the Olympics. It's the superior product and it's designed around baseball culture and history.
PS: Basketball could also have a massive World Cup but the NBA actively decides to sabotage it.
Imagine if the NBA allows and encourages its players to partake in the FIBA World Cup, the ratings would dwarf those of the Olympics, I guarantee you that.
I'm not sure it's viable for MLB to do this. You'd be extending the regular season calendar by at least two weeks and if that year's World Series goes 7 games, you're looking at potentially wrapping the season sometime around Veteran's Day and I doubt the MLBPA would be on board with this because it'd be a shortened off-season.
Break off 18 games from the regular season and have a separate competition during the Olympics. Owners still get the 9 home games they lose from the shortened regular season. Teams not in contention get a fresh start and a chance for a title.
Baseball nearly moved to the Winter Olympics in 2002 - the games would have been played in Phoenix.
MLB could start the season a few days earlier or a week earlier and then extend the all star break by like five days
They need to get over themselves. The Olympics are far too important to care about some local professional league competition.
They need to change the years they do the classic. Can't do both tournaments in the same year IMO.
The World Baseball Classic is in 2026. Brody was wrong.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_World_Baseball_Classic
Why couldn't the World Baseball Classic serve as the Olympic competition for Baseball that year? If the softball competition is being allowed to be held in Oklahoma City why not this?
The WBC is totally different from the Olympics. Just like the FIBA World Cup (FIBA = world basketball's governing body) is totally different from the Olympics. The WBC is not the Olympic baseball competition. Yes, Olympic softball will be in Oklahoma City. But that's the actual Olympic softball competition.
If they did do it in 2028 they certainly won't do it in 2032 in Australia
The ioc has already stated that they fully expect baseball to be included in 2032 as well. Also by then, the 2024 #1 mlb draft pick Travis bazzana should have already made a name for himself and I think Australia would be crazy to not want to allow him to showcase his talent in his home country. That is of course if mlb players are allowed to play as well.
@@kingrazo10 I meant MLB. The 2032 Olympics are being held in August not mid July.
@@briandonegan8480 that probably depends on how successful it is in 2028 but yea that could make it difficult
Even though I don't think this will happen but I'll say it anyways I would like a shortened season in 2028 that would allow the players to go to Olympics & still have the World Series done by November, at the end of the day LA is a huge market and the best of the best should represent their country on the world stage
Historical note: before FIFA staged their first World Cup in 1930, the Olympics Soccer tournament was the defacto world championship. Since then, the relationship between the IOC & FIFA has been fraught: the IOC wants their tournament to feature full national teams just like in the World Cup, whereas FIFA does not, thus the age-restricted situation for the Men's tournament. Lastly, the World Baseball Classic has a long way to go before it gets anywhere near the FIFA World Cup.
Well the World Cup is way fucking better than the Olympics with or without pros + the euros and Copa America, the worlds 2 biggest continental tournaments in the world take place weeks before the Olympics so don’t expect mbappe, Vinicius, Haaland, Bellingham, kane, Messi, van dijk, modric, etc to just jump over to the Olympics days after they just played a major tournament. The month between the end of those tournaments and the start of the season is the rest period + soccer dosent need the Olympics, never had needed it. The World Cup which is one sport is larger in popularity and viewership than the Olympics, baseball could use it because baseball is huge in America, east Asia, and the Caribbean, whereas soccer is huge globally. Beside the US & Canada which still have fairly large soccer fan bases. There are enormous fan bases in every country in the world. Soccer is either the number 1-2 sport or tied with another sport in popularity in most other countries. Baseball needs the Olympics because imagine how much growth baseball could get outside of the Americas and east Asia region. I could see millions of new fans all over the world from like Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Britain, India, etc. and I might be over exaggerating but you’re still getting millions of new fans globally from countries that wouldn’t normally bat an eye for baseball.
@@FootballGoat-s5pGoddamn
Please participate, MLB!
The baseball season is so long to begin with why not have a 2-3 weeks break for Olympics?
hard to start & stop & start again, that's all
$$$ that the owners aren't making. They don't want anyone else to make a buck off baseball.
@@brodiebrazilI agree, but...Couldn't they have Pitchers go in simulated games. Or maybe play some form of Spring Training where the players not in the Olympics play a team close to them in a Home and Home Series (or intersquad games with FanFest type deals) with cheap tickets and concessions. Keeps players timing at mid-season level, makes the owners revenue, and keeps local fans coming to the ballpark.
Could the WBC games function as the prelims of the Olympics then play the quarters, semis and finals during Olympic week?
No
Can you imagine Judge or Harper standing on that medal stand while the National Anthem is playing?
The last World Baseball Classic took place in 2023. The next would be in 2027, a year before the games.
Next WBC IS 2026
What a Preseason format a the 2 weeks.
Ice hockey in the Summer Olympics...... stop, just stop
That taboo of playing “ice hockey” in hot cities and during the summer is over. The 2 recent Stanley Cup Champions are based in both Las Vegas and Miami/Ft Lauderdale. So an ice hockey summer tournament can be held in the Summer.
Just do a 2 week "Olympic Break" like Hockey does/did
An All-American break instead of the All-Star break?
What did they do in 1996?
The 2000 USA team would’ve been great with MLB players.
C. Biggio, 2B
D. Jeter, SS
B. Bonds, LF
M. McGwire, 1B
K. Griffey Jr., CF
A. Belle, RF
M. Piazza, C
C. Jones, 3B
F. Thomas, 1B/DH
B. Larkin, SS
K. Lofton, CF
C. Ripken Jr., 3B
L. Walker, RF
T. Gwynn, RF
J. Thome, 1B
R. Johnson, LHP
G. Maddux, RHP
R. Clemens, RHP
T. Glavine, LHP
M. Mussina, RHP
J. Smoltz, RHP
R. Nen, RHP
B. Wagner, LHP
T. Hoffman, RHP
Other considerations:
C. Schilling, RHP
K. Brown, RHP
J. Kent, 2B
J. Bagwell, 1B
B. Williams, CF
A. Jones, CF
Andruw Jones is from Curaçao so he would've played for The Netherlands.
Larry Walker is from British Columbia so he would've played for Canada.
If Puerto Rico had a team Bernie Williams would've played for them.
@@MarkMiller-kz8nm Great observations. Admittedly, I didn't bother checking all of their nations of origin (though I do vaguely remember hearing about Larry Walker being from Canada). Eliminating three players actually makes the list easier.
As a fan of 60+ years, I’d love to see our very best in the games. Move the WBC to 2027.
It should already be scheduled for 2027. The last one was 2023.
Don't have the WBC the year the Olympics are scheduled.
WBC and the Olympics was gonna be every two years before COVID happened anyways so W
The WBC is scheduled for 2026. Brackets just came out today. I think it wouldn't be played again until 2029, so major leaguers in the Olympics doesn't interfere with the WBC.
Yes it interferes. From 2028 on forward, the WBC will always happen 8 months after the Olympics. It's one or the other.
@@akapilka It actually doesn't have to be. No reason you couldn't do both.
@@timphares3061 as I said, the WBC will always happen only 8 months after the Olympics.
The WNBA took two weeks off of their schedule so if the WNBA can take two weeks off of their schedule then in my opinion any professional league out there in the world can take time off for the professional players to play in the Olympics
Basketball has grown around the world due to the dream team. Now the US is almost as good but the rest of the world has caught up
Here's an interesting concept... Why not fill the Olympic rosters with amateurs?
Interesting thoughts indeed. What about the players who play on MLB teams but are not US citizens or maybe have dual citizenship? What about bringing in Triple A players for the team or College WS players? For Owners it could turn out to be a double edge financial sword so to speak. No MLB games for about 2 weeks so no revenue at all and a chance your star player suffers a season or career ending injury? Yeah, lots of discussion, lots of opinions and lots of money involved.
Its absurd not to. Dont just allow it. Lean the hell into it. Give the All Star Game to Dodger Stadium on tueaday before the Opening Ceremonies and make a huge deal of it. 3 weeks off. Encourage the non Olympic players to stay in tbe area and go to the games.
Growing the sport means getting it in front of new people with the best you have.
Softball will be held in Oklahoma maybe they could use Charles Schwab stadium in Omaha
It should happen but between the owners and MLBPA someone will probably stop the fun from happening. Fans always lose.
Softball is going to be played in Oklahoma City at the ASA Hall of Fame stadium
And when is the CBA for MLB Players and owners up????
The cba expires on December 1, 2016 @ 11:59pm
Let the major leaguers play and play some exhibitions with the rest of the players. Make extra money and raise the sport's profile with the big leaguers. Look how successful the World Baseball Classic is.
And/or play more doubleheaders.
I would like to see MLB players play in the Olympics plus the minor leagues. I think they would do well in the ratings. MLB should go on a break while the Olympics start but the owners would never go for it because they don't want their players injured. Realistically, I can see minor league and independent players go to the Olympics in 2028.
Brooooooodie. Keep on keeping on. Let’s Go Ducks
The WBC is in 2026, not 2028
yeah, the years got all mixed up after covid
The WNBA, too.
They need to have more than the six teams they had last time baseball was in olympics six teams is a joke.An Eight team round robin is the minimum that should be in in but i think a 12 team tournament with two pools of six.
i still cant get over the fact the "a" in "la" in the olympic logo is just the oakland A's logo 😂
Paul George broke his leg playing for team USA and the NBA didn't pull out of the whole thing.
I doubt we would ever see a US baseball Dream Team
Do you not watch the world baseball classic? We see one every four years.
@@taiam005 Team USA at the WBC is not even close to what the 1992 Dream Team was in basketball. In 5 WBCs Team USA has only won a single time and they lost two games in the group stage that year. The 1992 basketball team won every game by huge margins, 32 points was their lowest margin of victory.
@@redmarauder Oh for sure. There is a much better international distribution of talent in baseball than basketball. Also the American players don't view representing their country to be as prestigious as the international players do. Maybe it would be different if it wasn't during spring training.
@@redmarauder the Dominican's, Puerto Rico's, and Japan's Dream Teams are more exciting to watch because of the star power and passion they and their fans bring.
It just not possible the only reason there was a dream team was the rest of the world was not very good at Basketball at the time now other teams are filled with NBA players Baseball already has great players from all over the world.
Why are you MLB focused? They play baseball professionly in Japan and South Korea during the summer.
In sport that does a terrible job at marking it’s top the summer Olympics would be best opportunity that mlb could have at marketing there too stars on the biggest stage in the world they would be foolish to not take advantage of it
They absolutely could do it; do they want to?
Brodie, if MLB is serious about growing baseball among casual fans internationally, there is no bigger mainstream stage than the olympics. Its a no-brainer; they will accommodate it; its only a matter of how the details work out.
I guess we’ll see how serious they actually are
@@adanalyst6925 We know Manfred and some players r interested in it so its a W but the owners r a different story
I'm sorry Brodie, but I had zero interest in watching the Basketball tournament at the olympics. And I don't think, outside of American sports discussion circles, I really didn't hear anyone talk about it.
Imagine how many fans you could get from like Germany, Argentina, India. I feel like the south Asian continent is a great place to get new fans because their favourite sport is cricket, a sport that is modeled similarly to baseball and if you have the most elite guys at the Olympics in 2028 you could expose baseball to regions that don’t necessarily have much interest in baseball and I think the south Asian countries are a great spot because you’re getting tons of new fans from there if exposed since it’s a global event watched by half of the world. Baseball will skyrocket if you expose it to the world
Facts like the WBC promotes the game but the Olympics can promote the game to a larger audience which can help other events that MLB does such as the LLWS and WBC
What if they took a couple of weekends during the early MLB season and played the group matches in cities all across MLB? And then only played the knockout rounds in LA during the actual Olympics. It would lessen the long break and let more fans see the Olympics across the country.
No. These players are too fragile to go play for anyone but the team that pays them.
That’s what contract insurance is for
Traffic in Los Angeles is already a NIGHTMARE ‼️
How the heck are they going to pull off an Olympics’ in such a congested city 🌆 ⁉️
People need to get to work , school, responsibilities. Not exactly watching any games, let’s be honest
That’s what everybody thought back in 1984 too, so most people stayed home and traffic was a breeze in LA for those two weeks!
@@taiam005Yep...He also mentions school which I didn't know was in session in the middle of Summer in LA.
just create an olympic list. Allow each teaj to expand the 40 man to 45 to cover the absences.
Wait the WBC and the Olympics??
Right that’s too much in a same year I think
@@brodiebrazil WBC is 2026, same as the World Cup in Soccer. Olympics is 2028.
Just replace the All star break with the Olympics. Problem solved
It’s gotta be like 2 weeks though.
@@brodiebrazil start the season earlier in middle of March. And extend the season a week into November for rest after the Olympics.
everyone wants it fans, players, but owners and Manfred????
Manfred does cause it means baseball can grow internationally but the owners r a different story