Vini Jr will NEVER be as TALENTED as Neymar! But Vinicius can Have a BETTER Career
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- After Vini Jr. lead Real Madrid to their 15th Champions League win over Dortmund, there are now comparisons with his Brazilian teammate Neymar, and what he did with Barcelona alongside Messi and at PSG with Mbappe.
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Lol Neymar is more talented than Ronaldo and is more flashier than Messi yet both are astronomically clear of him, the eye test can only get you so far,he definitely can surpass him
Exactly man talent means nothing without a big legacy you look at all the big Brazilian blogs and posts their already saying he surpassed him in club football if he wins one international trophy they will make vini the best of the last 15 years
He would have to win a treble to surpass him for good.
@@matrixxx3662 no he doesn't lol he's already surpassed he's club career one copa it's over
Acting as if vini is haaland on the eye test, not saying he's better than Neymar but he ain't no bum on the ball,if he keeps up what he's doing he'll definitely pass him
Career wise yes not talent wise
True Vini is HIM
Fam everyone gotta stop looking at football so one dimensionally. One is a generational in terms of talent, one is generational in terms of big game play. One is focused on being more appealing to the eye, the other is purely about winning/efficiency
Yeah football is so multi layered, different ways of defining greatness
FIFA street merchants like Neymar rarely fullfill their potential. Even Dinho didn't fulfill his . His prime was extremely short.
If Vini can fix up his performances for Brazil he'll surpass them both comfortably
IF....
Neymar only won with Messi. Vini is the Messi for his team and they’re winning
Vini at age of 23 already have a better career then Neymar, Talent isn't even matter in the long run is all about Legacy.
You want to be remembered and be in the books for decades you have to win as much trophies as you can and stay hungry it is what it is.
This guy is a talent merchant... All his favourite players are style over legacy type players, Including R9...😏
R9 has atleast a wc where he was the star of the tournament. Don’t act like he doesnt have a legacy
again with the R9 slandr.....
Harsh. R9 delivered a WC tho.
@@PassportBro_ True, he is a WC legend of course. But HH brings him up in champions league conversations when it to legacy. Mbappe is WC winner aswell, but everybody agrees that his club status is not legendary, and it's fine - so as it is with R9...
Seedorf said R9 is the best player he's ever seen or played with. And he played with Ronaldinho.
If Vini can get Brazil to win World Cup he would have superceded Neys legacy without a doubt
Bro, in terms of football heritage Vinny has already passed him and it won't be too long before he get left in the dust. I don't get why people big up neymar yeah he's one of the most skilled players of his generation but you can't look me in the eye and tell me that this guy actually came when the most. How many UCL knockout rounds did this guy miss for PSG? What would he have been without Messi and Suarez? Where Vinny back-to-back has been important for his team in those critical moments. There is no contest
look at the current gen vini plays against and look at the defenders ney played against
Facts bruh to many football "fans" ride Neymar because of the talent and what if factor... let's be real the dude fell way short of his potential..just goes to show talent ain't everything
@@rickeyrincones1769exactly their scared to just admit he failed he is literally the pogba of attackers.
@@rickeyrincones1769Vino will have the better career. But Neymar will always be a better player. What Neymar con do with a ball is out of this world
Bruh I don't even know how it's a contest when it comes to heritage still to some of these people, Neymar is still a better footballer at his best but when it comes to career legacy, vini overtook him already, 23 BTW.
Trophies > Talent
Objectively, Vini has already had a better career than Neymar. He's won La Liga three times and the CL twice, scoring in both Finals. I don't count Neymar's PSG years because let's be honest, I don't even know what winning that league equates to.
I think you and most football fans forget that talent- which is subjective - doesn't and never has mattered.
Football isn't a museum where we can look at the same painting and give different reasons as to why it is museum worthy. Football is what you give of yourself to lift trophies. Vinicius shut the mouths of every hater. Neymar shut his mouth over his sister's.
What if he wins a WC with Brazil 🤔🤔
Uncomfortable convos for sure 😆
If Vini wins Cope and WC without a doubt he would have supeceded Neymar and the difference with the Brazuil team now is they have Endrick who is on fire so thats definitely gonna help them
Brasil wont win a wc in the upcoming years
@@PassportBro_they will with Endrick
@@Tom_bradys_unretirement doubt it.
The way Vini was moving against Bayern and in the 2nd half of the UCL final… if Neymar pulled off a caneta that lead to the corner kick that got Madrid the first goal HH would not stop talking about the eye test. One thing HH gets wrong about Vini is dismissing him as a a whole player because his finishing was poor. Vini has been an elite dribbler since he arrived to Madrid.
Exactly.. it’s very arguable.
In fact Vini has almost had more longevity dribbling - Ney did it for about 2-3 years, most of his MSN was more focused on scoring goals, flashy unproductive skills and diving
Vini on the other hand has improved in G/A output, retained his dribbling and continues to nutmeg people into goal scoring or assist providing positions
Also, a lot of people seem to forget that even though neymar did not play that match, he still was in the Brazil team that lost 7-1 to Germany in their home country. That's a part of his legacy where he likes it or not
It's the what if neymar had played that game
@@davianbulbylee Yeah, and it's always going to hang over him no matter if it's his fault which it isn't.
Neymar wouldn’t have done nothing in that Game . Neymar was also a Robin not Batman . That game needed Thiago silver.he was their real leader
That's harsh 😂😂
@@lightspeed001 hey, it's not a blemish on Vinnie's record
Messi,ronaldo,hazard,bale,ribery,robben,benzema,suarez,lewandowski,modric just to name of few names of neymars genration now tell me how many ucls would vini win in that era and vice versa
At the end of the day it is top level, competitive football we're talking about, it's not Brazil's Got Talent. Flair and entertainment are cool, but they don't make you a greater player in and of themselves.
I LOVE the Harlem Globetrotters. As a kid I was so impressed by what they were doing and it was so fun to watch them over and over and over again displaying what they could do with a basketball. But nobody will compare them to NBA players like your boy Michael Jordan, because there's a difference between winning and being easy on the eye, and winning is the currency of top level sports. Vini's been more successful at that, and more impactful in that
What if Vini leads Brazil to a World Cup?
Game Over. But that is never happening
@@havehope If Vini becomes world champion then he will have overtaken Neymar, you dog!! and this will happen !!!!!
When Vini wins Ballon d or lemme see how you will then compare the two. Neymar isnt as talented as taraabt and ben arfa, but yet we know their career went. You can even go as far as djalminha.
You forgot to say Vini won this UCL as the main guy. He was not the side chick this season. Neymar was not the main guy when he won the UCL
Show me something that Neymar has done that Vini can’t do
Vinicius will pass Neymar easily. I don’t just Vinicius but I think Endrick as well
WC 2026 Brazil-Portugal in the final Brazil wins lead by Neymar and his legacy is saved. You heard it here first
you are holding onto nostalgia. neymar will be 2nd to vini if vini keeps winning. wait till vini wins something with the national team, neymar will jus be a glorified dribbler
He will win the copa coming up people don't realize their actually good with the new coach
yup
Yeah even as a Madridista i can easily accept, talent wise theres no comparison. Neymar was THE GUY! Neymar was up next. We hadn't seen hype that high since Robinho.
And you summarize it well, coz i think whats gonna end up happening is that Vini has a better career overall, but talent wise Ney will always leave him in the dust.
Coz a lot of people forget those Santos days for Ney. Vini was touted as a talent but everyone accepted the risk when we brought him over coz at the time we brought 3 of them over, it was Vini it was Reinier and it was Rodrygo. Vini and Rodrygo paid off then Reinier has flopped thus far doing okay at loam stints but failing to cement himself as a starter even in mid table clubs.
So even as much as i had faith in Vini balling, we were always just playing the long game with him and Rodrygo. Neymar's talent level on the other hand and even how important he was during the later era of MSN was so vital but he admittedly didn't get his flowers coz he had Messi and Suarez next to him and that eventually led to him not wanting to wait for the crown to be passed down and he went on his own at PSG and the rest is history. So i feel like the PSG era clouds people's judgment similar to with Thiago Silva. Had Thiago Silva stayed at Milan and led the new coming generation there he possibly would have had a bigger legacy. But it is what it is.
It'll take a lot to match Ney talent level, but im ultimately happy for Vini regardless coz whether or not he ends up going on to do bigger and better i think many Madridistas can rejoice that hes already achieved so much and its beautiful to see especially coming from the days of being tormented in Castilla, crying after struggling to score his first goal for us and the infamous "He's playing against us" Vini has more than repaid the faith. Hala Madrid ❤
Neymar is the pogba of attackers just like kdb will be remembered and considered better over time than pogba vini also will talent means nothing without achievements neymar is more talented than even the likes of Cristiano, Zidane,raul etc but no one will remember him in 15 years except streets won't forget just like pogba vini will be considered top 10 Madrid legend by than and one trophy for Brazil they will rate him higher Brazilians don't care about hes record because no achievements.
@@Gtdmilon514 Yeah true that's actually a solid comparison.
Coz yeah even achievements aside Ney was supposed to be the guy the same way Pogba was supposed to be the guy. Pogba career stagnated at club level meanwhile Neymar stagnated on an international side.
Although I won't go as far to say they won't be remembered coz I'm a lil older (well not that old but 30+) so I know even from the 2000s there's a lot of players who got slept on but are still loved. But yeah the hype levels of these guys is also what plays them down a bit meanwhile for other players they don't come in with as much hype and just slowly grind themselves to become the guys.
But I guess you right in that "streets won't forget" sense similar to players like Di Natale, Riquelme, Luca Toni, Totti etc that maybe don't get flowers but alas its also just down to the social media age being upon us now so maybe its just my wishful thinking, I know social media will keep the legacies alive. Especially now that you have straight up fanboys and fangirls which in the previous eras existed but weren't online.
@@TheOnlyTaps that's true but at the end twitter legacy won't matter when one is a top 10 legend of the biggest club and if he wins one trophy Brazilians will also shit on him they already are at the end of the day for he's talent neymar is a failure the likes of vini , mbappe will be remembered as better players that's the truth eye test matters to some extent same way kdb is in premier league best midfielders of all time while pogba is remembered for just talent
@@Gtdmilon514 True, but for me I think some legacies will always live on. Zico is another example. Loved and adored by many but doesn't necessarily get love online. So that's why I agree in terms of the trophies enhancing legacy, but I still think certain talent levels will never be forgotten no matter how good or bad their careers played out.
@@TheOnlyTaps yeah but zico has a trophy legacy in an era where Brazilian league was still viewed as one of the five best leagues in the world to be honest Brazilian league fell off in the late 80s he had a Thomas muller level club career success rate by those times views plus talent while neymar comes nowhere close to that level of club success in the current world view except for two seasons Ney will be remembered just not the way he's viewed and treated now an all timer who never won all timer things for he's level of talent but will be viewed as more of a what if player like pogba
Man vini either takes your soul or loses the ball
Brilliant take
Congratulations for Talent Cup to Talent FC.
He already has more champions, if he wins anything for Brazil this topic is over
He’ll never better and that’s ok
I don’t many players are talented like Neymar. Neymar skills is insane
vini has already surpassed him in terms of success considering he's the favorite for the ballon d'or and has more CL titles. HOWEVER, Vini benefits from the fact that messi and ronaldo have basically retired while the brazil team he will be playing with is better than the brazil team neymar had to deal with. if vinicius was born at the same time as neymar, I doubt vinicius would be relevant today.
but at the end of the day it's kinda pathetic that neymar couldn't even win a copa america. and always being injured in the CL knockout stages kinda dented his legacy.
The Messi and Cristiano talk is just an excuse modric and Benz won the award with them around plus neymar is only 32 and left Europe at 30 Messi and Ronaldo ain't around anymore what's stopping him the truth is he failed he's talent just like pogba did.
@@Gtdmilon514 Fact is if those two were around Balon Dor talk is out the window, lets be real with ourselves. Neymar did in fact let himself down though, I will agree to that.
@@UtdG01 Ballon Dor talks didn't go out the window for Benz ,modric and even Lewa in 2020 dude simply failed had a teenager rise at psg on he's watch and be that guy over him even told him to pack he's bags after taking he's chain 😂😂
@@Gtdmilon514 Vini aint even Benz level....wth lol. I'm saying what he did now aint anything special. those you listed were on another level and competed with better opposition....even what Lewa did I can kind of make a good argument he did deserve it (even though so many ppl think he doesn't).
Also, Yes I do agree howevr that Neymar still failed himself, cus on Messi's decline this time should've been his to shine but he's somehow already in the football retirement home. Getting son'd by Mbappe was an L too ngl 😂but hey I did say he let himself down in the latter stages which is why cant deny Vini would most likely have a better career and legacy ....OVERALL.
@@UtdG01 again defecting to vini you neymar stans must get it through your heads stop making excuses for him never winning the award by bringing up CR7 and Messi the reason I brought up those names is too prove it wasn't because of them he didn't win but he's fault because he failed to live up to he's potential and 23 year old vini is way better than what Benz was at 23 I've watched Benz since Lyon he's my favourite player of all time,at 23 no one even knew modric existed he's a late bloomer the issue you are facing is that you are comparing their primes to a player that's not close to it the truth is no one knows vinis potential the truth is even before he's prime he's already surpassed neymars club career it's reality live with it same way 19 year old mbappe surpassed he's international legacy which is being a friendly goalscorer
Hala vini
If vini wins something with brazil.its up other than that dont care neymar played against the 2 best of all time u cant compare these eras vini right wouldnt even be top 5 in the messi ronaldo.era
winning balandore after messi\cr7 era is not a huge achievement
So Neymar could not win ONE ballion d'or during that era?
@@havehopeNeymar didn’t achieve anything useful for PSG is because deep down he didn’t care. Nobody really cares about PSG that much to reach their peak of their talent, Mbappe will be unbelievable for Madrid because he cares way more about them than PSG, Neymar should’ve done the same.
Neymar was that dude? 2nd to messi moved to psg and successfully become 2nd to mbappe.. Bro what is this natural talent waffling. Why's he gifted and 2nd behind everyone 🤡🤡 oh wait vini will make him 2nd again that's gonna be brutal for a natural talent phenomenon 🙏🙏 lmfao
I fully agree with this
I don’t agree - Vini is as of now more skillful, uses his skills more productively and has better work rate.
And neymar never did nothing but dive in big games 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The same standards should be applied a cross the board. Messi won the world cup and you said he is a GOAT because of the world cup and he is better than Ronaldo, according to the same standards Vini is better than Neymar. And stop all this nonesense saying Messi Is a GOAT, Pele won 3 world cups and did not even play in Europe, but if you take Messi out of Barcelona or remove Xavi and Iniesta from Barcelona, Messi is f#cked. Ronaldo can do a lot of things footballwise that Messi cannot do, he can score with his head, weak foot, long range shorts and a better free kick taker.
It’s not about talent but impact . Messi wasn’t the most talented player ever however he was one of the best ever due to consistency and other factors .
Neymar is overrated. He was always Robin not Batman .
Bale and possibly vini will also surpass him
As a Real, Vini isn't as good as the hype. And its crazy how he is currently the best player in the world.
Vini already have more ucl 😂😂😂😂😂
And maybe ball'or 😂😂😂😂😂😂
brick analyst always comparing footballers
I would argue Vini is more effective. Yea sure Neymar is better on the ball. But if you trying to win, I’ll pick Vini
Even in effectiveness I don’t think Vini is comparable to Neymar
@@takunn151 Thy forget Neymar at Barca, they only seem to recognize Neymar the flop at PSG
Vini if he stays healthy and focused will be much better than Neymar . Neymar is an improved Robinho . Neymar was always a Robin not Batman . He did nothing for Brazil. At club Level was third best at Barca , it Messi then Luis saurez . Luis and and gareth bale were much better and more successful than Neymar . Neymar is the most overrated player ever .
@@Katkayzlol 😂I don’t think he is overrated but I think he wasn’t professional enough
@@redpandagency people say he was third to Messi and cr7 for the last 15 years or so . I don’t agree
Stop talkin rubbish. U just look not bright to be polite.
I agree to this some what but vinicius never be on neymar's talent is were you need to stop it. Vinicius the best footballer in the world, the best dribbler in the world the most skill full player in the world and vinicius got another 2 to 3 levels to hit in his games. You people are all sleeping on vinicius and hasnt seen vini's real talent. Neymar is just a brazil version of hatem ben arfa. To me Vinicius is the most skill full and dangerous footballer to come out of Brazil since RH10 . Trust me vinicius will shut All these naturel talent gimmick of neymar fc and make you Guy's look like a fools. Like he already doing with anti Madridistas. Be care full when you talk about vini because he got all tool's in his locker to make people looks fools who judge him. He's bad, he's brick he wont reach neymar level talent. Trust me Vinicius will win 3 blndrs minimum, and become the most talented footballer one off the all time great in football not just for Brazil. That's were his trajectory is moving.