Betrayed by Procedure! The Electrifying story of Air Canada flight 624
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
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Snow...coming from Sweden I have learnt to love it but in the world of aviation, it rarely brings many good news. Thats certainly true for these pilots who are peering out through their cockpit windows, through a snow-storm, trying to make out the shape and position of the faint approach lights in front of them. When they finally get the picture clear to them, the view is shocking. This is the story of Air Canada flight 624, Stay tuned!
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode.
Sources
Final Report:
www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports...
Aircraft Used
Airbus A320 by FlyByWire:
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Airbus A320 by FlightFactor:
store.x-plane.org/A320-Ultima...
Airport Lighting: UNKNOWN
www.stantec.com/en/ideas/airp...
CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Approaches
03:37 - The Aircraft
05:25 - Safety Briefing
08:11 - 624 Takes to the Skies
12:45 - Halifax Runways
15:13 - Lighting
17:21 - Approach Planning
19:50 - Weather Updates
21:17 - Entering the Hold
23:37 - Flight Path Angles
27:07 - Landing...
32:08 - Searching for Answers
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@@user-ig7il3jm5qUff. That's a tough one. Did Petter not already a short one on MenTour Now? Final report isn't out yet. But more or less clear, what happened. A very sad and 16 years long story. Definitely worth covering.
Normal people don’t need vpns
@@djtomoy normal people who travels do.
I’ve looked into this accident from various sources and this one has come the closest to making me feel like I’m in the cockpit. You make me a better pilot. You make my students a better pilot. You make my daughter a better pilot.
I am a cabin steward for another company; a while back a girl boarded who was visibly shaken and upset. Her last flight had been this one here-she escaped out a window hatch… And of course we were also on an Airbus 320. But we gave her all the cookies and hugs she wanted and she did great
It was probably the very best thing she could have done, to get back on another plane and fly again right afterwards.
Thank you for everything you do to keep people safe in the air!
Oh wow.
God bless you for going above and beyond for that passenger!
I cannot even imagine going through something so scary and then having to fly again! She was so brave and bless you for taking good care of her ❤
Free cookies and hugs? Man, I gotta try to pretend to be scared of flying, I want free cookies and hugs.
In the construction industry... whoever idea it was to put the airports main electricity cables, above ground infront of a live runway is mind blowing 🤯
It happens when Managers that too non-technical are hired by references and engineers are sidelined.
I'm a freelance lead/executive site manager in construction - what's hugely missing in construction is CRM (crew resource management) or we could call it SRM (site resource management)...too many toxic misogynists over talking and condescending others and snagging (criticising) minute details to the point where the bigger picture blurs into total opaqueness
I'm sadly not surprised a glaring safety defect was overlooked ... I reckon the electricians laying the cables questioned it.. But the project managers sense of importance canceled out listening to them or ore-silenced them before speaking out
@@gauravhirani2034I'm a 'non-technical' lead/executive site manager ... Having worked my way up from cleaning the site toilets, labouring for many trades and specialising in logistics ...
But I pride myself on consulting my gangs and forepeople ... I tend to find overly technical fellow senior colleagues have a bias towards their original trade or profession and as such major defects of things not to do with their sphere of prior knowledge get missed, ignored or lower prioritized
As I said in my other comment good site resource management is vastly missing - people get promoted not on merit but on how many certificates they get
@@user-et2hv2kz6x
You sound quite jaded and ignorant. Plus you use that accusational word that doesn’t mean anything to describe people you don’t know that must apparently be women-haters because you loath the engineers and managers somehow. Ya, that’s why you’ve never been promoted to that level: you lack wisdom, empathy and vision- and that obscures whatever competency you might possess.
@@user-et2hv2kz6xtrouble is there's too many freelancers know all's and F ck all's in the game, I'm a coded pipe welder and I've seen most of it have fun 😅
I'm a flight attendant, we go through extensive and rigorous safety training from medical procedures, hijacking procedures, and evacuation procedures, we know all our aircraft in and out, YOU DON'T. Please PAY ATTENTION to the safety demos, we are trained on them for a reason, we're safety professionals there to keep you safe. I can't tell you how many times I see passengers sleeping, on a phone call, or texting during my demo, have some respect and pay attention because you never know when you'll need to evacuate an airplane. We take flying for granted so its foolish to not pay attention during something that could save your life. Another great video by Mentour Pilot!
Flight Attendants ROCK....passengers should be more respectful and appreciative of the challenges they have doing their jobs...!.....
I've often wondered how it would go down if a flight were to be hijacked and there just happened to be a group of delta force or seals on board 😂 I'd imagine it probably wouldn't end very well for the bad guys
I am a white knuckle flyer. I HATE flying... I look st you guys with more intensity than an action movie... ❤️
Calm down, this is YT and not your workplace
@@jeroenvander2938Right? Why am I being aggressively lectured.
The way you visualize the airports and the flight deck with simulators is really cool. I like how you explain things with less drama than shows like Mayday.
These are way better than air crash investigation or mayday documentaries which have too much drama and sob stories rather than a break down of events and a detailed technical explanation of the failures. Those shows are "disaster porn" whilst these are informative documentaries
Though I did notice that the aircraft's registration written on the flight deck is for Germany instead of Canada
Mayday is a good mix of drama and detailed information. The second half of the program is always the better half ( flight investigation segment).
But yeah the first half is pure dramatization.
@@lzh4950 Not sure which flight simulator is used but modding it to fit the scenario of the episode being produced is surely a lot of effort. Considering how crappy some regular-TV CGI is, I don't mind these little glitches at all.
@@thomaskositzki9424 Looks like MSFS2020 - You can tell by the airport ground vehicles casually driving in the middle of taxiways. That's an infamous old bug of that sim that most players are exhaustively familiar with.
I am a pilot in Canada and have studied this accident extensively from the published materials. Your review and assessment of the accident was exceptional and should be reviewed by all airline pilots. Having flown with Air Canada on literally hundreds of occasions, I consider them to be one of the safest airlines in the world and I know firsthand that this accident shook Air Canada to its core, and they have emerged an even safer carrier as a result.
That’s bunkum - Air Canada just got lucky - it was only about time a disaster was waiting to happen .
To be updating guidance on glide slopes without accounting for local weather conditions and against Airbus advice is absolute nonsense . And as matter of fact it is this nonsense that this channel has made naked . The pilots were only flying and following instructions which were all along fundamentally wrong - a live example was this crash , it could have been much worse !
Suggest you petition your pilot's union, if you have one, to make CVR recordings publicly available!
It 'shook' AC to the core enough - for them to nearly cause the worst global aircraft disaster on the planet, at KSFO.
@@ghostrider-be9ek Indeed that incident does not inspire confidence....and had the potential to make Tenerife look like "a bit of an oops"
@@maplobats apparently the AC CEO completely lost their shit when they were provided a full detail of what went down - at one point, the pilots, on air, asked about the lights on the runway that looked like aircraft to them, and then proceeded to LAND on those lights that looked like aircraft.
"hey bob, looks like some aircraft down there, - let go ahead and land on them anyways"
These guys should be flying desks. They were 20 - 30,000 hr pilots which, IMO, is too much.
Since watching your videos, I take that two minutes at the beginning of every flight to really think through an emergency and count the number of rows between myself and the exits in both directions. My husband rolls his eyes but I know how important this can be. Thanks for all the amazing content!!
Awesome routine to have.
Unnecessary until it isn’t!
@@MentourPilot fact
I'm always "that guy" that reviews the safety card prior to flight departure, listening and paying attention to cabin crew instructions, and I make sure to familiarize my seating position in relationship to emergency exits, identifying a primary and secondary exit path. The other thing I do is carry a small powerful LED flashlight on my belt at all times.
I do the same, awesome channel
Me too. Always look at the diagrams and count rows to exits, etc. why not???
As someone who knows the terrain at this airport, having worked there for 35 years, these people came within a few feet of a big burning fireball. That plane literally bounced back up onto the runway from the drop off at the end. I think the snow actually saved them, providing a slight cushion as sorts. They were extremely lucky how it ended up.
Perhaps blessed is a better term.
I live in Dartmouth. I went out there the very next morning to take video and noticed that the belly of the plane actually left a U-shaped dig mark into the huge snow banks at the end of that runway, I could tell that if the plane had dropped lower, earlier, that plane would have slammed into that 45 degree embankement hard.
The runway was lengthened just before this accident, wasn't it. I believe they were working on it all summer before this accident.
I dont know why airports a allowed these embankments so close to runways. Wellington New Zealand is appalling in this regard
@@stevegibb6421 Two reasons why. They are old and built with less consideration to those types of things then do today. Sometimes you just have no choice.
@@stevegibb6421 Because it's extremely expensive, and literally a non-issue 99.9999% of the time?
Even as an experienced airline pilot and military pilot of over 25 years, I find your reconstruction of events to be spot on, and even promoted reviewing company procedures for all of the elements you describe in this video. Well done Sir!
Thanks for your input. Great to know this is entertaining and accurate.
Wasn’t clear on how these pilots could have prevented this one
@@HomeshighlandParkit seemed pretty clear to me.
The force with which the plane hit the ground and the subsequent impacts leading to only 1 serious injury is a testament to some good engineering... and luck.
Indeed, exactly.
I wonder how a B738 would behave? Too many cases where the fuselage breaks up into three or so sections.
@@awuma Yes, indeed.
The luck was no fire.
@@pauldietz1325 Exactly.
It’s crazy… Just over a year ago I was mortified to get on a commercial/non-military aircraft. I started watching Petters videos. Gained a much better understanding of things that were the root of my fears. Now, I LOVE flying. I’m even working on my private license, now! LOVE the videos Petter, as you know. So grateful to you, mate! ✈️
Oh, that’s awesome to hear! THATS why I do this!
Yeah i got the same thing. Got a really rough landing last time but wasn't that concerned since i knew a lot better that they were trained for those rough landings
@@MentourPilot your time and effort are so appreciated! By SO many. ESPECIALLY me. You gave me a whole new world to explore and enjoy! So grateful for you, my friend. As always, Rena and I send our best to you and your family. 💙 Cheers. ☺️
This is great to hear! 😊
@@MentourPilot Yeah it's great how you explain how aviation can improve from these accidents so it is more safe to fly
You have completely pulled me deeply into aviation at age 63! As a lawyer, musician and gardener, I'm kind of more of an arts person. Although I do love science, I never delved into physics and technical things that much. But I am just hooked now on your videos.
I wish I had known about your show when my dad was alive. He was a retired Navy sub commander and sonar engineer. He would have loved your show. He used to enjoy flying radio-controlled airplanes. In his last couple years, I went along with him just to make sure he didn't fall, and in the end I had started to learn the setup steps and procedures to help him, because his mind was not quite as good. Even from that, I didn't get hooked on aviation. I just enjoyed going with him to give him the chance to do what he loved.
I wish he was back now so we could talk about all this stuff together. I know so much more about it now thanks to you. My friends who know me well are so surprised that I am so into it! 🙂 It is due to your show and your show alone. I've gotten a few people I know to watch it, and they're hooked now too.
I've lived near Dulles Airport my whole life,. I never gave much of a thought about the planes coming in and out until I found your show. Now I have an app that shows me what's flying overhead, have become obsessed with plane ID, and am organizing a group of friends and family to go watch one of the Lufthanza 747s land. I have a little model of the beautiful light blue and white Air Force One on my car dashboard lol.
I now get why they call it "the miracle of flight"; and understand now why they say that air travel is the safest mode of transportation. I have loved learning about plane parts and technical aspects. I enjoy flying so much more now because of knowing something about it. Aviation is a technical marvel; I am so glad that I've been able to be exposed to it thanks to your very clear explanations.
Every time I watch one of your videos, I just think to myself what a master storyteller you are. That combined with your technical knowledge and your experience as a working pilot make your show unbeatably good. It's no surprise that you've got over a million and a half subscribers!
"This will become very important, very soon". You know all hell is about to break lose when you hear Petter saying that!
Also, whoever thought of putting main power cables of the terminal in path of the landing/take off must be an absolute genius.
But people like fireworks, that engineer was just a people pleaser. 😉
The one that decided to have the power lines above ground was the one that deemed underground cabling to be too expensive.
It's very comfortable to criticize after
This is the 2nd video where Petter has shown that even highly experienced pilots can make mistakes in poor weather and visibility
It's not so much a mistake, mostly a poor instructions in company. It seems like pilots did 99% correct actions.
Anyone can make mistakes. This is what we learn from.
@@MentourPilot Petter, I can't emphasize how helpful these videos are. I don't like to blame pilots. These pilots did everything right right up until the last few moments. Their intent showed their proper training.If those power cables had been underground, that experienced Captain could still have made it. Remember only the landing gear got snagged in the power lines..Just goes to show how the stress and workload significantly increases during poor weather and visibility and how that affects judgement. Thanks for a great video😊😅
@@MentourPilot I was in the co-pilot seat when the pilot made an impulsive decision to get the plane on the ground after flying through heavy rain and hail on the approach. The rental plane ended up with 12 inches, .33 meters, of the prop rolled up from cutting slices into the runway... Then there was no runway left, and the throttle went to max power and the plane did not want to come up off the ground because the business end of the prop was rolled up and ineffective. We barely cleared the trees and wires outside the field boundary. I decided never to advance on my pilots license.
Most videos he makes, the pilots screw up the procedures and the lesson learned is how to make sure the procedures actually get followed. This one, the pilots followed procedures and it landed them short of the runway.
RE: Pre-flight safety. Once upon boarding a plane I got out the safety card and reviewed it and did the standard "count how many seats to the exit in case the cabin is full of smoke and you can't see." As I was turned to identify the exits behind me and count the seats, the flight attendant asked me if I needed anything. When I told her what I was doing she absolutely beamed at me, probably thinking, "Well, at least I know I have ONE passenger who won't be a problem in an emergency."
One passenger who knows what they're doing ( and why ) can influence many who are not aware.
I usually try to get the seat next the emergency exit. So I don't need to count.
And get extra leg room.
@@Zurich_for_Beginners The seats next to the emergency exit are especially assigned to people who are willing/have to help others during an emergency. So i hope you’re aware of that, and i hope the airlines still tell people that
@@Fayeluria I know that.
I always take some time study
how to open it.
But the legroom is nice anyway.
@@Zurich_for_Beginners They tend to cost extra and I'm usually traveling ultra low-budget.
All I could think of during this whole video was 'what about that poor new mother holding the newborn?' because as a crew member I know how utterly impossible it can be to physically hold on to a lap-child in a crash. I was so relieved to hear everyone was alright.
Wasn't there one serious injury?
@@ScawI hope it’s not the baby !
The production quality of this channel never ceases to amaze me, graphic design, animations, script, narration. Everything is top notch.
Since the addition of the graphics designer(s?) these videos have been absolutely top notch. They were good information from the beginning, but the presentation is wonderful now.
Finally a sigh of relief to hear that everyone onboard survived this accident.
I had a giggle about “northern Canada” meaning Toronto and Halifax, which are each about as far south as you can be in Canada.
No he said it gets cold in "northern Canada" not that Toronto and Halifax are in northern Canada. I think he only specifically said Halifax was cold (with snow) as well.
@@jamesphillips2285 : quoting precisely he says "Since it was March it was still winter in Northern Canada and that was most definitely true at their destination". That implies quite clearly that their destination is in Northern Canada.
Halifax is about the same latitude at Petter's home base of Girona. It's quite definitely a lot cooler, because latitude isn't everything.
To be fair when the bulk of us live in the south, that is considered Northern Canada simply because it's less south than we are.
I appreciate how proactive Air Canada was after this, not only following all recommendations but coming up with their own to further prevent a repeat and reaching out to the airports and Airbus. That’s how you handle an accident!
doing anything else results in penalties, fines and lawsuits
The fact that Air Canada made changes immediately shows integrity. Too often recommendations given to other airlines after accidents are slow to come about.
The bigger question might be why Air Canada's SOPs had deviated from Airbus's ones in the 1st place & before this accident & allowed the accident to happen
Proactive? No, not really. They REACTED to this entirely foreseeable and preventable incident. Not accident, incident.
@@iangolightly604 Dead right. The Canadians were asleep at the wheel. This should not be papered over by smooth comments.
Thank you for this video. I was on that flight and it helps paint the picture of what happened that night. Ps. I opened one of the emergency exit doors (row 17) and was one of the first out of the plane. I want to let you know that at no point did I see anyone carrying hand luggage.
Wow!! Do you mind me asking if any officials actually told you what had happened after or did you guys have to find out for yourselves?
Were you the person referred to in an earlier comment? (Someone had mentioned an airplane passenger on his plane who was a survivor of this...they too escaped out of a window...)
As a former EMT firefighter and private SEL pilot I can tell you "eyewitnesses are often wrong". Now I'm not saying you're wrong. But what I'm saying is you may have had tunnel vision. You were most likely in shock ....and I am so glad everyone got out alive. It must have been terrifying. One of the hardest things to overcome is the tunnel vision and I am sure you were also focused on helping others out. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I hope this gave you answers you may have wondered about.
I had to smile when he said the passengers opened the escape hatches and evacuated everyone off the aircraft. Canadians aren't going to just sit there. Nor wear warm clothes in March. So happy everyone was okay.
Last week was the first go around and holding pattern and people started freaking out but because I regularly watch your videos I knew it was just a safety thing and not a real threat. So thanks for posting them
You make a really good point. After watching Petters videos for many years I’m more relaxed about the procedures and safety features in aviation
I was on a plane that held a pattern for a while due to bad weather at the arrival airport. It was nice to know exactly what was happening and that there was no way we'd have problems with fuel.
My first experience of flying was with our school's RAF cadet corps. The pilot was practicing "circuits and bumps", which is a type of go-around where the plane lands and takes off again immediately. I think the aircraft was a VC10.
Hi Mentour, came right here after receiving your discord update :) As someone that flew weekly during Canadian winters for work, I can confirm that we get all kinds of people onboard from summer mode to winter clothing and the approaches in heavy snow are quite impressive, especially when you start to see the earth only once the go around is already engaged. One thing to note is that compared to Europe where we weather seems more stable in most areas, here in Canada most populated locations are close to water and have very fast changing weather conditions when it snowing especially. I call it a miracle that after so much bouncing the plane was still in one piece and able to have everyone surviving thankfully! Thanks for the video and all the details, great work !
Thank you! Yes, in Europe the weather is often quite predictable but where I come from, in northern Sweden up the eastern coast, we get this type of weather as well.
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Given commercial aircraft cabin temperatures all seem to be stabilized at a similar fairly warm level, it's hard to imagine how any passengers could both dress appropriately for those kinds of extreme outside conditions & still not pass out whilst onboard...? 🤔
As for taking one's hand luggage during evacuation after that kind of severe crash, though - sheesh! Is it possible some people are just in shock & have gone into automatic disembarking mode in their heads...? Or does post-crash research indicate that people really are consciously making dumb choices?
We have this kind of weather all the time in Northern Norway as well. High terrain combined with unpredictable weather make some interesting approaches, specially during winter.
After watching literally hundreds of videos similar to this one I am astonished that any flight makes it to its destination safely.
As a nervous flyer who frequently flies from Ottawa to Halifax this one really hits home! Thank you for your awesome content!
As a passenger you’re sitting there just waiting anyway. Might as well pay attention! There’s nothing more important than safety, not just your own, but other passengers’ and cabin crew as well. I used to not pay attention, thinking if we crash we’re dead anyway. Since watching Petter’s videos I’ve completely changed my attitude. And I’m passing it on to the grandkids! Some years ago I was a passenger flying with my 10 year old grandson. It was his first flight. I instructed him to pay very close attention to the flight attendant’s demonstration and follow along on the printed brochure. He did. Later during the flight the flight attendant stopped by and praised him for paying attention. My grandson was so proud! I’m sure he won’t forget that! I was very grateful to the flight attendant! Such small things could have a big impact!
He won’t forget! My first flight was at age 6 and, being the type of kid who did everything I was told to do, I read the safety card and started anxiously asking questions to my family. Just like with your grandson, the flight attendant praised me for preparing, and then she explained how she and her colleagues were trained to keep passengers safe in emergencies. After the trip I had a writing assignment in my first grade class, and I didn’t write about going to see my relatives - I wrote about airplane safety and heroic flight attendants! 22 years later, the airline we flew that day is defunct, but my memory of that day is strong and I still read the safety card every time.
@@amykathleen2 thank you for your response! This is exactly what I’m hoping for!
I imagine the way I feel getting on a plane is not unlike a peasant from the middle-ages might feel getting into a sports car and being driven around at speed. I could describe my experience of being on an aircraft as many things, 'sitting around, waiting' is not one of them.
As always, Petter does it best! Incredible analysis, superbly detailed explanations. As a GA pilot, it impresses me with the amount of data available that commercial pilots must process, analyze & execute, it is truly astounding. You, sir, have the ability to break it down in a linear way that makes it understandable. Thanks for the best aviation videos on the net! Al
Thank you for those kind words Al!! 💕 we try out best.
Agreed! The number of different mathematical calculations involved in doing load balancing, correct fuelling, takeoff, landing & go-around is rather mind-boggling. Thankfully there are the set tables & lots of computer assists, but I can only imagine that applying all of that correctly still takes a huge amount of concentration? And that's before you even add in poor weather or airports with unusual approach procedures...
Yes, the structure of the narrative - foreshadowing, emphasis etc is really excellent. Actually, given all the various aviation channels, the superb level of clarity is unique.
Your videos are always excellent, but I have to say the graphics, maps, visuals of the terrain and runway, lighting system, etc, along with a thorough and clear explanation of all the concepts and events in this video are really outstanding. Well done and thanks for all the work you put in
My dad is a human factors safety researcher. Every time we flew as a kid, he would make sure we reviewed the emergency procedures card together before takeoff, and again when the plane began it's descent. Now as an adult I've kept the habit. I've never needed to use this information, but watching your videos makes me glad I do it. Thanks Dad.
As an avid Canadian traveller from Toronto, YYZ is used as a big connection hub and it was likely that the passengers dressed in shorts and t-shirts were coming from a sun destination, heading home to YHZ. Still not wise to underdress for the destination, I guess they were soaking in the last few hours of their vacation before heading back to icy Nova Scotia!
I'm also a Canadian and this does make quite a bit of sense. A lot of people I know from the Atlantic region use Pearson as a transit hub for vacationing. However, it's always wise to dress properly when flying. You never know what could happen.
Eh, the chance of anything happening is so low that it's not really necessary, but if it helps you feel more comfortable then go for it. Planes are normally way too hot for me so I'm going to keep risking it.
I'm one of those who takes time to read the leaflet with information on emergencies, and will check for all emergency exits I could reasonably reach. The fun part is that I've had cabin crew asking if something was up while doing that. Seemingly people actually doing that (as the leaflet will tell you to do) is.. unusual.
I have to say that there has never been a better RUclips channel with such amazing simulation, detail and captivating storyline like this one...this is spectacular. I always feel like I am actually in the aircrafts in the story. Great job.
I Live in Halifax and am very interested in crashes. All I heard about this was that it was a "hard landing" which I guess is true-ish. Then a brief news story awhile later where the glide slope was mentioned. Then nothing. Thanks for featuring this Mentour Pilot!
As someone who has been in a disaster (ship not plane) I always take those 2 minutes it can save your life👍 Always book an exit row if possible as well. Great video.
Only been to Halifax once, should have been landing at Boston but a premature baby was born during the flight!
I personally avoid exit rows but like to sit near them. I don't know how I'm going to react in an emergency because I've *knocks on skull* never been in one, so I don't feel comfortable being in an exit row when I could potentially be one of those people that "freezes".
@@samhhaincat2703 I applaud that, much respect to you 👍
I agree, I always note where the exits are in relation to where I am. Often I'll pull out the safety card as I always like to see the plane type I'm on. I also take aisle seats most of the time. BTW Had to fly Delta from ORD to ATL a few times this year 757>A321, just like the feel better.
Since I have been flying since I was a kid I always listen to each safety briefing because each aircraft is slightly different.
Last month we travelled to the US from Chile and had a stop-over in Panama. The weather was quite stormy and the pilot aborted his first landing attempt and executed a fly around. We landed on the second attempt. My girlfriend was super nervous during the process but having watched many videos of this channel I could calm her by telling her aborting the first attempt was actually a brave decision by the pilot, since usually the airlines put tons of pressure on them to follow tight schedules and he chose the safety of his passengers over trying to land at any cost no matter how bad the conditions were outside.
Thanks for you always informative content!
My son was on this flight, he was 15 at the time and was returning from Florida with a Chaperone and 2 friends. The first time he ever traveled without us. His friend was one of the passengers who was in shorts and slip on sandals...which fell off his feet during evacuation. There were alot of passengers returning from sunny destinations, which is why unfortunately they weren't dressed for the weather. The friend had to stand on others feet outside, they all huddled like penguins to keep warm while waiting 50 mins to be picked up by first responders. This was the scariest night of our lives, our son called when he was out of the plane saying they crashed and we thought he was joking...when we finally realized this was no joke it was sheer panic. After watching this I cried, it is a miracle my son and everyone else on that plane is alive today. We are still dealing with the Class Action Law Suit and don't get alot of detailed information
so thank you so much for this detailed clear explanation. 🙏 and yes...fly wearing appropriate clothes for the weather you are landing in!!
Very interesting! I think you described this accident in better detail than the media did.
Well, I certainly hope so.
😂
the media is there to drive up views and clicks, Peter is here to educate and inform. So not surprising
Given the length of this video, the media would have to dedicate an entire hour-long TV show. That's just not going to happen for most air incidents.
Of course it was better, legacy media is a complete joke and has been for years!
I have flown on Air Canada at least a hundred times into Halifax and was well aware of this accident. It's interesting to note that the pilots were not disciplined, other than to take extra training after the company's procedures were changed. The biggest complaint was that it took crews a long time to get the passengers into buses. They could have walked to the terminal faster. Air Canada takes safety very seriously and I feel very safe while I have traveled with them (over 1,000 times).
Why would they be disciplined? They were professional and followed SOPs 100%. Inadequate procedures for non-precision approaches was the root cause. I should know- I was an Air Canada 320 pilot at the time of this incident.
@@EM_life-gr8sn maybe he’s implying that the pilots weren’t at fault (proven by lack of discipline) but poorly worded making it sound the opposite. The only thing I might criticize the pilots for was not to go to the alternate. I can imagine how hard it is to make that decision when you’re RIGHT THERE, and even the controller is egging you on, even though they’re too busy themselves to remember to turn up the lights.
exactly it was irrelevant that a Company plane had recently made a successful landing...that was completely irrelevant info... situations in bad weather and Non Precision approaches can change in minutes or seconds....like most of these types of incidents its always a series of events. even the unfathomable existence of power lines at just above threshold height. The Company SOPs were flawed, the Airbus AP technical shortcomings in this situation were flawed, the tower failed to comply with the Pilots request to increase the approach light intensity, although it may not have made a difference, The Pilots mostly handled the aircraft professionally and with diligence...BUT. I have a friend who is a retired Airline Pilot 35 years of flight experience...and he told me that the biggest problem is Pilots relying on or becoming complacent with technology and forgetting to fly. @@TreatzTMA
I've always actively listened to the safety briefings when flying, but only now that I'm flying myself and doing my own emergency briefings before every flight I actually think about what all the things really mean when hearing one on a commercial flight.
Your recreations are always top notch with great detail and teachable moments in aviation -- and we're happy to see the A32NX featured on your channel!
As a Canadian, I can confirm we have shorts wearing people year round even in winter in the north. Not just on planes either! They will go to the store in t-shirts and shorts in January.
Socks with sandals are also commonly seen on these hardy souls.
Yup there are people in shorts, -30C, they might start thinking about pants.
@@revcrussell all depends on wind chill lol
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Having lived in California for more than 50 years, I don full winter gear when it’s below 50 F. 😂
I'm an American in Oklahoma who wears shorts and crocs year round. The cold doesn't bother me one bit, below freezing I'll put on a hoodie and be good. Spring comes along and Temps go above 60, I'm already looking forward to the coming fall. Heat is for the birds, they fly thousands of miles chasing it
Being from Halifax, it’s very interesting to see how this went down. There was a class action lawsuit against Air Canada, Airbus, NAV Canada, the Halifax Airport and Transport Canada and each passenger was given $5000. You should do MK Airlines Flight 1602 from the same airport with an extremely under calculated take off weight
I'm a fellow Nova Scotian and was excited to see this accident being covered on this channel. Would love to see Flight 1602 reviewed by Petter as well.
They need money to dress appropriately.
Canadians are lunatics.
It's common to see people who wear flipflops & t-shirts in the middle of winter.
Free lobster!
@@user-jo7dd2jn5s ya gotta go a bit south before the lobster gets any good...
@@arnold8746 Maine is West of Halifax, not South of it.
I really am enjoying these videos. I must add I have the utmost respect for Pilots such as yourself. The way you show and explain so much detail is incredible. I am a mere Granny of 74, and I am thoroughly intrigued. As a young child, my interest has always been aircraft and war stories, and somehow I stumbled across your Mentour Pilot series. Thank you so much for all the effort put into each video. Well done Sir, I am blessed
My first career aspiration was to become a commercial pilot. I got far enough along in my private pilot training 35 years ago to solo a Cessna 152, which was an "absolutely fantastic" experience. But for various reasons my career path went another way. I sometimes wonder "what-if" I had kept pursuing my original dream job. Thanks Petter for your amazing content.
You undoubtedly would have eventually been featured in one of these videos.
Glad you said to keep passport and wallet in pocket when flying. I always do this in case I have to evacuate. Great video as usual
Turns out it’s also a good idea because it’s not that uncommon to forget something on the plane, and by the time you figure it out the plane has flown on to elsewhere.
I don't think I own a single piece of non outerwear clothing that has pockets large enough to fit a passport or a wallet, let alone both of them. I guess I'm wearing a jacket for takeoff and landing from now on (and choosing a jacket based pocket size when flying).
I've purposely never did that because I don't own pants with zipped (sealed) pockets and my wallet is too big. (That almost always remain in my vehicle because of how uncomfortable it is to carry)
However I keep copies at home and have photo backups on my phone.
I keep my bag on my body on the plane so I can easily transfer my passport in any event of an emergency.
@@executive_function_not_found If the weather at your departure or destination warrants you to wear a jacket if you're outside, then yes, 100% wear your jacket during takeoff/landing. Just like you wouldn't take off your jacket in the winter if you go driving (I hope lol, unless you're somebody who likes to crank up the heater and waste gas lol), you should keep it on during critical phase of your flight. If it's summertime, I'd still recommend keeping your ID in your pants pocket or somewhere. Sweatpants, jeans, or sweaters all should have pockets that can fit. I'm not sure what you usually wear but that should work. Cheers!
I've started wearing trousers for flying for better evacuation mobility (normally I live in skirts!) and also transferring a small pack of emergency meds to my pocket for flight. Always paid attention to the emergency briefings but it's funny how these extra wee precautions, although easy to take, only occurred to me after watching good crash analysis vids...? Noted a commenter here saying they also pocket a small high-powered torch - brilliant idea (pun unintended!) as you can't guarantee you'll keep hold of your phone if you have it out in a sudden crash?
Wow, this was so well researched and explained. As a retired Airline pilot I can appreciate the detailed and informed quality of your work. (I have flown into Halifax in earlier times.)
Thank you 💕
So glad everyone survived. Cant help but wonder what became of these pilots in the disciplinary process afterwards. They had to be terribly shaken up.
I absolutely love how impressively you present these incidents. I have a love for aeronautics and a natural curiosity. I'll never be a pilot. However, learning from your content, I can typically anticipate the issue before you confirm it. I love that. You have an amazing gift to teach to anyone. Thank you.
As someone who wants to be an airline pilot. These accidents provide great information to learn from.
After getting my PPL, I always obsessively read every NTSB accident report that I could get my hands on. Better than going to the movies, and might actually save you from having a bad day. Wishing you great success. ( retired )
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 Thank you for your kind message
Absolute beauty of a work, keep it up mate!! From an aspiring pilot🙃
Peter, I believe you hired someone not too long ago to do your visuals/graphics etc...Whoever you hired is doing an amazing job. Your illustrations and technical detail makes your amazing videos even more amazinger lol.
You’re doing a great job churning these videos out Petter, big 👍👍
As a retired heavy jet captain with 40 years total experience, I always enjoy your description of how these incidents and accidents play out.
I always enjoy watching these. One of these days I would love to see one of these videos covering comair flight 3272 (I think). It's yet another incident where poor weather procedures were put in place by the airline which contradicted recommendations from the manufacturer and caused a serious accident.
Please send me a suggestion on Petter@mentourpilot.com and, if you can, include the final report.
I generally like supposing that the PIC "isn't gettin' any" for the rougher landings... and that he's called ahead to talk to wife or GF and they're in an argument for the go-arounds and holding patterns... None of it's particularly true, but the conversations are always fun! ;o)
Finally - the hands down best aviation channel has posted again.
Thank you! 💕
Love how you’re able to explain things so those of us with no knowledge of aviation can understand. Thanks Mentour Pilot from the Uk 🇬🇧
I very much enjoy watching your videos and your explanation of all the things that happen in a cockpit. Plus, the visual animation used to depict these events and cockpit appearance are stunning and add so much value to the video. Thank you for all your time and effort!
I remember when I flew for the first time as a child the first thing I did was buckle myself in and read the emergency brief, looking back that was probably the first sign of having anxiety, but hey at least I still remember it. Great video, as always Petter and team, amazed everyone walked away with their lives, and only one person was seriously injured, truly a testament to the durability of those planes!
Dear Petter, I have been binge watching your videos for a while now. Your series of air accidents and incidents is really well made. I have enjoyed thoroughly every video and actually learned a lot about airplanes. Of course, I would have loved that there wasn't a reason for making a video about crash or any other problem considering airplanes, but since that's not possible, at least we can learn from it, right? I wish you many, many more safe flights, departures, landings and good weather.
Have a great day 😃
@mentourpilot Petter, there are a lot of RUclipsrs but very few have the skill and technique you provide in your videos. I have watched your channel a long time now and every time I see a new one, your presentation gets more sophisticated, but your kindness and concern for the people involved in your stories always remains constant. Thank you.
Have always been a flight nerd, but your videos take it to the next level. It's your cadence and delivery. Every time i'm finishing my day with office work, your videos are going the entire time. Can't get enough.
I was working late at my office in Dartmouth, across the harbour from Halifax, that night. The falling snow was so dense that the few cars on the road were leaving no tracks - they were filling with snow in seconds, and my walk to catch the last ferry to Halifax was in whiteout conditions. Heavy snow is hardly unusual in this part of Canada but that night was extreme.
Excellent portrayal as always. As an airline pilot myself its hard to comprehend any airline not having the DME check against altitude as part of this procedure. I've never seen it not being a requirement in the airlines I flew for. No calculation of the critical step either. Nothing. It's also quite incredible that the pilots never comprehended that this procedure was fraught with peril and that that peril could be easily avoided. One of my sim instructor mates at Cathay once said "It's lucky that the decrease in skill and situational awareness is more than offset by the increase in reliable automation or there would be a lot more holes in the ground."
Yeah, I reacted very strongly to that as well. Especially since their plates DID include the altitude checks.
@@MentourPilot Ditto. As soon as I heard that I was genuinely stunned. 😮
I do believe that call is required, but was likely forgotten…
Also, SCDA and CDA only became mandatory after this…
I have a couple of thousand hours of flying non-precision approaches into mountainous areas in MUCH less automated aircraft and I would never dream of not doing altitude checks on the descent to minimums. The Airbus is a flying computer and it seems to me that its pilots far too often rely on it to do the thinking for them. I always made damn sure I took the time hack going by the final descent fix and checked my descent profile all the way down to minimums as the last thing you wanted to be doing was off glidepath in mountainous areas. These two seem to have been 'monitoring' the autopilot rather than flying the approach. I'm not surprised Air Canada changed the procedures as they have a culture of 'tweaking' things to suit them. They were the only passenger airline in the world to try to convert three pilot DC-8's to dual pilot machines. I'm glad nobody died from this one. It could have been much worse.
Petter, your level of knowledge paired with your story telling skills and outstanding production quality makes me glued to every second of your videos. You are a public service. I am in awe of you and the work you produce. Thank you for all you do.
After watching so many videos on your channel, I have established I do not need to watch Air Crash Investigation your videos are better than theirs.
Great content.
Watching from Nairobi, Kenya 🇰🇪.
Its fantastic that everyone was okay, but what an unbelievable accident!
The swiss cheese model is totally at play here, so many things lined up to make this accident as bad as it was. Also im very glad you emphasized the importance of preparing for emergency events during flights, i feel like too many people have the thought process of ‘it could never happen to me’ but you should always be prepared just in case it does! Advice like that will save lives
No... Preparations should have been made in advance by the AIRLINE AND AIRPORT!
What dodo thinks it's acceptable to put ABOVE GROUND power lines in front of the airport... WITHOUT any backup?
If anything, they're the ones with the "it's never happened before! So it won't ever happen!"... Until it does.
I vaguely recall this incident from the famous series "mayday", but here you've been even more informative and entertaining. Always a pleasure to watch you.
There's three things I always do when flying. 1, I always greet the aircraft by patting its side while entering; 2, I always pay attention to the safety briefing and tell my kids to do the same; 3, I always locate the nearest emergency exit and when sitting next to it I go through the process of opening the exit a couple of times in my head - and when a flight attendant comes asking if I am ready to operate it if needed, I give them a firm "Yes!" Of all the seats in the aircraft I'd rather have the jumpseat though.
It never ceases to amaze me that those who design airports do so with such idiocy as to accept having the primary power supply cables running at height across the approach to a runway. Such as the ironwork tower that took the life of a young pilot in the US recently. Or the giant ice cream parlour situated at the end of a runway where any overshooting aircraft would surely have to impact. It’s like we just delude ourselves into believing “Oh, that’ll never happen… it’ll be fine…”. Whatever happened to the concept of risk assessment??!
Great review, as always! I'm a first officer on a320, and every such detailed review of the accidents helps me to get a grasp on a real gravity of crm and sop.
And also many thanks to you for sharing this stories as with every video like that I make myself review all the normal and abnormal procedures followed by the pilots during the accident and think what would I do myself
I have been following you for a while. As a frequent flyer, today I had my first high precision approach flying as a passenger. The captain requested via PA to switch off all electronic devices and explained a little bit about the procedure. It was a great feeling being able to relate thanks to following your videos.
I am a 14 y/o from India and my ambition is to become a pilot for Emirates Airlines. I regularly watch your videos and learn a lot of things in a fun way of learning about accidents and miracles. I thank you for giving me such a great experience watching your videos. I can only imagine how much time and effort it takes to make these videos❤️❤️
Please beware that by the time you are old enough to be a 40 year old experienced captain, the economy of the Emirates may have worsened significantly as the world stops buying so much oil .
In Canada, it can get really cold, way beyond just "snowy" cold, like -40C, or colder. Evacuating into those conditions without winter gear could be hazardous or fatal.
Halifax rarely sees worse than -20C, but your point still holds true.
Indeed!
True. I'm Canadian, I live in the prairies, and people die here every year when they get stuck outside.
There's always a few heart-breaking stories each winter, things like people in rural areas getting lost in a blizzard and freezing to death, or someone's car breaks down on some part of the highway where there's no cell service and they didn't stock their car with a winter survival kit, as you always should if you travel here on highways in the winter.
There's also usually some heart-breaking stories about the homeless here in winter. And a lot of sad stories about alcohol. A friend of a friend got very drunk, decided to walk home, made it to their backyard, passed out, and that's where he died. Hypothermia set in when he was passed out, and he never woke up.
Here's some degree symbols in case you need them: ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° . 🙂 !!
@smallmj with the humidity in halifax, -5 feels much colder. I was out that night, well dressed and with the wind it was hard to last a few minutes. I don't know how anyone lasted 45 mins in shorts.
This is a very popular time of year for Canadians to travel to destinations south to get some sun and warmth. I've seen too many times where people board a flight in Punta Cana in shorts and sandals, transfer through Toronto, then board their flight to their final destination. While I've been known to dress a bit lighter on my return journey, this accident has made me very conscious of being prepared to be outside for a little while!
I have flown for countless times and am a huge aviation geek. That said I still give the flight attendants full attention and look at them when they do the safety briefing. It can remind you of things,and its just respectful.
Thank you for your courtesy :)
I've always thought it would be nice if there was some sort of training/seminar frequent flyers could go to to practice the procedures if they wanted.
Yes it must be ever
Must ever be extra carefull
Name is your identity ❤
7:43 Great getting a reminder to pay attention to the flight safety demonstration every flight. It's easy for frequent fliers to fall into passenger complacency, trusting one's own memory from earlier flights. I will pay better attention in the future!
As a frequent flyer I admit I am guilty of not paying full attention to the safety briefings but I ABSOLUTELY take a minute to be aware of the plane I am in and my surroundings. It really upsets me when people start reclining seats and getting out laptops after they were told not to during takeoff and climb, it's dangerous for everyone. I would absolutely yell at people getting luggage blocking others and destroying the slides with it, that's crazy. Relax at 10,000 feet, pay attention during takeoffs and landings.
Again excellent, Sir! I just love the way you narrate these stories in a factual, very well spoken and very visually appealing way, as far as the infographics and animation sequences go.
Well done, and keep on doing amazing work. Regards from a long time South African follower.
its just a plane crash no need to go full english teacher
@@user-cr6rg6nl7j HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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You are talking to someone whose native language is not even English
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"English teacher" 😆😆
My English school teacher, who had the misfortune of reading my attempts at essays, with her C ratings and "Unconvincing" comments to these attempts, will laugh her ass off hearing you accusing me of being an English teacher. 😅😅😅😅😅😅
You made my day, omg. Thank you.
Always great to see new videos coming from you ! Thanks !
This was a great video! I love how you articulated what happened in the accident without assigning blame yourself and simply describing what had come from the report. What I really like about this video though is that it shows when you are a pilot you are absolutely the last line of defense to avoid disaster. Pilots must know their aircraft inside and out, the standard operating procedures from their airline as well as the airplane manufacturer. They must maintain a high degree of professionalism in the cockpit with each other and have a very high degree of situational awareness. They must know what is going on with the airplane itself, what is going on outside the airplane, and how the airplane is responding to inputs from auto pilot and/or manual flight controls. It is such an admiral job to do and I am so thankful for all the pilots that have flown me to destinations over the years. Thank you for everything you do both as a pilot and RUclipsr!
All these animations are so cool and so good! The runway lighting was a helpful breakdown of all that goes on.
The lightly dressed passengers might have been coming back and connecting to Halifax from a warm place like Florida in March. I saw this many times while travelling for business…lots of happy vacationers returning home to frigid Canada. Thank you for your interesting report.
Yeah, in March everyone in Nova Scotia wants to escape to Florida, Cuba, or the Dominican Republic.
It's still a weird decision. Were they planning to get changed after landing?
@@marcellkovacs5452 good question, although I would see some people in shorts and flip flops pushing luggage carts through the chilly parking garage at Pearson, must have gone all the way home like that…car heater working overtime.
They were planning on going to bed after landing. You go into the airport in the warm place, then you’re in a building or in a plane or in a car the whole time until you’re home. Maybe throw on a jacket after baggage claim if you need to wait at the curb to meet your friend or hail a cab.
Definetly makes no sense tbh, in 2015 it's not like phones and wifi don't exist... they only need to take 1/2 min to seach the weather app to find out it is snowing. Why anybody would decide to keep wearing flip flops when going to Canada in winter is beyond me
I find these videos really interesting. Having watched a lot of them I think I now recognise how complicated flying a modern airliner is, even given Autopilot and Autothrottle, I have much more respect for pilots and first officers. The graphics are fantastic and everything is explained so clearly I really recommend these, not only out of interest but also to anyone scared of flying. Very well done Petter, the best air accident videos on RUclips.
Me too. I watch the briefing and read the pamphlet of each plane after watching your channel. Thank you.
Crazy how they technically did everything right by their airline and still had an accident... Can't believe Air Canada really looked at what Airbus required and went "oh I'm sure that's not important"
Very good video. I live about halfway between Halifax and Moncton, so this one was especially interesting to me.
It is truly amazing that the injuries weren't more severe.
Your explanations are really great, and the graphics you use to support them really make this such an intuitive and interesting video.
The quality of your work man… impeccable
Thank you for great content and all the work you and your team does to keep us informed and educated. As a person who used to watch Air Crash Investigation for years and now sticking to your series I can not express my excitement. It amazes me how you and your team can create such an interesting and engaging content without all those fancy cockpit reconstructions with actors and dramatization. Just flight simulator software and pure talent and dedication of you and your team.
Thanks, Petter, very interesting to have your usual excellent visuals and detailed explanation of this event. I've often sat beside that runway watching take offs and landings, as there is a good vantage point from a road that passes by just outside the airport fence. Not in a snowstorm though! I want to add that the level of accuracy that you presented here regarding the airports discussed definitely increased my confidence in your videos. I didn't have any reason to doubt you, but I have had my confidence shaken by other RUclips presenters when they state "facts" that I know to be incorrect because of my proximity to what they are discussing.
Petter, thanks monstrously much for the utter excellence in your work. Yet I miss seeing your pups in frame!
Amazing story and a happy ending (no fatalities and only one serious injury). Thanks for sharing this tale.
Virtually everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, and yet everyone walked away from this crash. Amazing.
Thank you for making these videos! You’re the best!!
Very well told! Your narration and comments are flawless. I really appreciate your giving distances in meters and feet. I am a pilot and can tell that you sir are a true professional. Thanks for a great video
brilliant presentation Mentour...thank you so much!!!
It's sad, when passengers takes their luggage with them, during a crash, when they're told not to do so. They're endangering other's life by doing so.
Yep, that’s what I wanted to point out
people do stuff like that all the time...last fire drill where I work, even though we're instructed beforehand to just go out straight away, we still had most of the shift going to their lockers to get their jackets or phones, several decided this was a great time to go to the bathroom, and several just wandered off and got in their cars instead of going to the rally point...which caused a problem when they got to the headcount and it was 'where is everyone?!'.... basically people are kind dumb, especially in emergency situations
@@MrGoesBoom They all should get written up for that shit. Three write ups = good bye. Too many companies have zero consequences for "I don't give a shit about safety" behavior.
@@notme232 Oh I agree...and supposedly the company does, we've been having lots of meetings about Safety First and Journey to Zero....but getting people hired is hard, and we're falling behind lead times, so it's all hot air cause the machines won't run themselves. " And it was just a drill...." if we have an actual fire I expect half these people to die to be honest
Probably worth mentioning that some passengers will need to bring one of their (small) bags with them. As a diabetic, I need to keep my insulin with me as well as my diabetic testing equipment. That said, I have a small carry-on bag (repurposed toiletries bag) for this.
For people who do need life-sustaining medications, get a bag (or adjust the one you use) so it has velcro straps that be wrapped around your arm and fastened so you can still evacuate an aircraft with both hands free.
Petr,check out the flight out of Hartford,Ct. where a cockpit window blew out! Needless to say they quickly returned after take off with no further incident.Whoa,whoa,whoa,"sleep apnea"? No,I don't want any pilot with that....flying anything.
I must say your videos are very informative, well thought out and presented in a matter even lay people can understand and appreciate. I retired from Canadian North Airlines in 2007 as captain on the 737-200 combi operating on gravel airstrips in Canada's arctic. I love watching your videos and feel reconnected to the industry watching your videos. Thanks so very much for all the time you must invest to produce these excellent recaps of incidents and accidents, I am a big fan!