A FREAK Coincidence?! Tap Air Portugal flight 754
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
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One of the most time-critical decisions a pilot will ever take under normal circumstances is to reject a landing at low altitude. It requires instant decision making, great handling skills and timing.....but what if the aircraft then refuses to follow the pilots commands and instead does something completely unexpected.....Stay tuned.
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Totally agree - I find the presentation approach extremely watchable - I am hooked, despite not being a particular aviation aficionado - well done!
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Agreed! I rewatch these videos all the time; they never get old to me, and there’s so much valuable information that I come away with something every time!
I agree. I spent nearly 20 years in commercial aircraft manufacturing and later in commercial a/c maintenance.
It is such a pleasure to follow Mentour Pilot because his channel provides the most knowledgeable, informative, apolitical analysis I have ever heard. (I often wish I could have had Peter at our morning delays meetings at the airline and at the meetings where incorporation of service bulletins were debated. !!
absolutely! i often find myself watching some of his videos multiple times
I’ve endlessly watched air crash investigation since I was a kid as I find it really interesting to see how people figure out the sequence of events/failures in systems that lead to these kinds of incidents, but since discovering your channel a I’ve found that I’m noticing where I didn’t before the tone of voice used in that show is way more overdramatic/tension inducing than is necessary (and as a very nervous flyer… probably not unrelated to my long history of watching that show) I’ve found watching your videos a lot more comforting while not losing the any of interesting information. I really enjoy how you emphasise the layers of safety systems/procedures that exist to stop things like this happening and the lessons that have been learnt since! I always feel much better about things when I understand them and your videos have been a great help in this! Thank you
Awesome! That’s exactly what I’m trying to achieve! 💕
Wow
Basically anything on 'factual' US TV is hilariously over dramatic. Not just the narration, the sound effects, 'music', plot lines etc.
@TheRevWillNotBeTelevised I also find those shows incredibly repetitive. They keep saying the same thing over and over, trying to draw out the tension so they end up having little factual content to them.
Agree totally, such a serious and deep analysis every episode, with accurate technical facts that non-pilots can understand!! Thank you👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
TAP has a stellar safety reputalion, having only caused 1 accident since its inception in 1946. I'm glad to see that even after the errors on this flight, this pilot's skills kept everyone safe & its record clean.
I really love flying TAP, they also have a Muslim meal option while many other western airlines don't
it was his mistake that caused it
@@trevorjoneill707 Not really, did you even watch the video? it was was a flight computer that sent diferent comands after the pilot started doing a go around
Although I don't have any flying experience beyond what Petter has told me I feel like this pilot was top of his game. He must have been ready for and expecting a go-around in order to hit ToGa (presumably) quicker than thousands of other pilots who had selected thrust reversers and then ToGa.
@sal_strazzullo ok.... Muslim meals? You bring your religion to this conversation?
What is a Muslim meal by the way.... enlighten me.
Very responsible from Airbus for digging deeper than a single incident.
Yep.. that’s how the aviation world should work.
@@MentourPilot not only aviation. Any industry, where human life is at stake.
@@brylozketrzynor any Industry period; faulty objects, tools, parts and services can end up having some quite severe secondary consequences.
@@brylozketrzyn And what about the war industry? It is an industry, because there would be no major collisions without them these days. Because people do not hate each other that much, but the industry needs it's new capital. It's just an add-on comment. The world and it's faces.
@@MentourPilot”should” being the operative word.
I was on a flight about a month ago that had a bird strike on the right hand engine, and it happened when the pilots were past V1 on the takeoff roll. Because of your channel I was able to explain to the other passengers what happened, why we were climbing out slower than normal, and what the pilots were going to do about it. I was able to reassure them that we were still safe. We returned safely to the airport. They all thought I was a pilot but I told them that no, I just watch your channel constantly! So thank you!
That’s pretty cool :) Sadly I’d still be freaking out in that scenario even though I know all the statistics and how safe everything is lol
What happened to the engine, did it burn out or malfunction due to bird strike? I thought engines are routinely tested for bird strikes and shouldn't affect its thrust.
@@the_real_espada 40 years of engine company experience here, but no pilot training. Yes, the engines are tested during certification for various bird strike encounters, but impossible to test for every scenario (think USAir and Capt, Sully on the Hudson river). At that point it is pilot training and procedures: evaluate engine parameters, alternate airports, aircraft altitude and performance and make a decision. If the bird is ingested in the engine core, there may be a smell in cabin since that's where pressurized air comes from. Still, an engine shutdown is only based on observed parameters. Bottom line: it's the pilots call, as it should be.
@@the_real_espadathey're tested and are supposed to survive a small bird going through them no problem. Big bird (like a full sized Canadian goose in the case of Sully)... no not a chance the engine can deal with that.
@@ByzantineDarkwraithYeah, even though I’ve flown a lot since I was a small child, I’d probably start crying and wet my pants if my plane even did a go around. Thankfully, that has never happened on any flight I’ve ever taken. I am a white knuckler all the way, lol.
Just letting you know, I am a aircraft mechanic student. During our last hour of class our instructor puts you on for us to learn one case at a time.
I've been a fan for years, just never expected to see your vids in a classroom setting 😂🎉
They should be paying royalties to Petter for that 👿
They are showing it to try and save lives, and they are introducing students to the channel. Can see both sides and no malice intended I'm sure
TAP’s safety standards are exceptionally high and has been very proactive in updating its fleet, incorporating new aircraft models that meet the highest standards of safety and efficiency. This includes adding next-generation aircraft like the Airbus A330neo and the A320neo family to their fleet.
One of the safest airlines in the world.
😊
I am a frequent flyer with TAP, including domestic flights to Madeira and Azores. The portuguese archipelagos are known for their strong and sometimes gusty winds, unpredictable weather conditions, as well as short runways. TAP and SATA pilots are very experienced in maneuvering and landing in difficult weather conditions. For instance, I was in a flight to PDL in which we were surprised at the last-minute by a thunderstorm and the pilot was able to land the plane safely.
Are you sure about that?
Because i have heard otherwise from the inside.
Where did you get your info from ?
@@ElySky95 i also know people from the inside and the board and safety is the 1 thing they do right
@@joaoruxa im talking about safety in maintenance procedures are we talking about the same thing?
Unless things have changed ive heard inside people saying they prefer to go by sea 😅
As an engineer, 1 in a million, or 4 sigma compliance by humans is incredible, it's not really possible to expect humans to perform better than that. If you need better reliability than that, you MUST go up the hierarchy of controls and make engineering changes.
absolutely!
There's only about 1/1000 go-arounds, so that's about 1/1000 go-arounds being executed after reversers selected. That _is_ something you can improve by better training.
@@tomhejda6450A go around is not the only situation when this design flaws can have deadly consequences.
What about a faulty sensor that would show left side in the air even though is not?
And why is the system set up to preserve thrust reverses while airborne? That's extremely dangerous and needs to be addressed asap.
@@BlueSkyUp_EU Thing is that if the reverse thrust disappears while the wheels aren't bound down by the spoilers some unexpected behaviour can occur. The issue here is more that asymmetric commands can be executed in this regard.
Which can be partially explained by the memory items of the system regarding delayed execution. Something which has killed people before with both Boeing and Airbus airplanes. Especially the 2-3 seconds after an unknown/unintended bounce remains a safety hazard it seems.
@@BlueSkyUp_EU I don’t think it was intended to preserve the reverse thrust when airborne (specifically when airborne and the thrust lever is commanding the reversers to be stowed, I mean), because why would they do that on purpose, even though in this case it did have that effect, and it is a serious issue.
As an Airbus AFS engineer, I really appreciate your level of technical knowledge on the subjects, and the work you do on your channel to pass-on this knowledge to others.
Agreed - I find it quite impressive how much understanding Mentour has of Airbus systems despite the 737s he flies being very different in terms of the level of automation. This and the Talinn incident with the recurring faults of the ELACs were really well explained.
No you're not
@@danielwhitehouse.892why do you say that?
Every industry should look at how the aviation system works. Being able to launch an indepth investigation from a single incident into something much much bigger and not stopping at just blaming the pilots is incredible work. Being able to bring forward changes on a massive scale even when death was not a factor is very laudable.
Another top notch video Petter! And amazing work on the animation team from continuously improving one video after the other.
This reminds me of Tam 3054
I think a major component is that aviation includes reporting and analyzing sub-critical (airframe loss/death) incidents on a regular basis as well as no-fault reporting. I think many other industries could be boosted by that combo, be it healthcare, structural engineering, etc.
We are fast approaching the time where computer programs in general are too complex for humans to understand all of the interactions one section of code will have with all of the others. I think it was in I Robot where the old man talks about the Ghost in the machine. People infer he was talking about consciousness but it really refers to unintended interactions of one program with another. And it is only going to become more and more common.
One of the most amazing sights of my life was going plane spotting in Auckland with my grandfather on a particularly windy day and seeing an Emirates A380 come overhead at an insane looking angle.
The skills of those pilots are truly stunning.
I will never, ever forget that sight. Everyone on the hill we were standing on were cheering. Not that the pros in the plane would have known lol.
Glad you had that experience!
@@MentourPilot It was unbelievable, grandpa loved that spot and it's a memory I'll cherish forever. They owned a bed and breakfast nearby the airport and a lot of pilots used to stay with them, he always hoped those guys would book a stay one day he was so impressed.
I once saw a group of C130 Hercules doing what I would assume was combat takeoff practice from an air force base in Texas. I've never seen aircraft that large bank at that angle that close to the ground. Simply amazing.
I lived for a while near Marrickville in Sydney. You could sit in Elmore Park there and you'd be directly under the flightpath for the Sydney Airport. We'd have a picnic and marvel at the 747s which seemed so low and close it felt like you had to duck!
In Newtown, every time a jet came in to land, conversation in the lounge room or kitchen would pause until you could hear again. You got so used to this bizarre ritual that it was automatic and you didn't think about it but it would have been very strange to people new to the area; everyone sits there mute for 30 seconds as the house rumbles and shakes and then they continue from exactly where the conversation left off mid sentence 😂
Pros...? 🤔💭
,, I hear they're scared of it but them pros ain't!" 🎶
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I am a Captain with SAS, and happened to land that very same day in CPH, about 30 min prior to TP754. I do confirm gusty winds and rwy 30. Flying the A320 series these days, but with vast prior Boeing experience, I also confirm that most pilots on the Airbus will choose flaps full in gusty weather, as this gives better engine spool up and better tail strike clearance. On that day, as we requested pushback for the return to Stockholm, we were told the airport was temporarily closed due to an ongoing event. Once we got approval for push and start, we were told to hold short of taxiway Z to let TP754 pass ahead of us. We clearly saw the reverser doors hanging out on engine nr 1 as they passed with a bunch of rescue vehicles in tow... Great video by the way, as always, Petter.
As quite a frequent flyer on LLA-ARN and ARN-CPH, I just wanted to thank you for some awesome flights :)
Like @nicolainielsen7700 I too am a frequent flyer and gotta say Scandinavian (not only SAS tho 😁) pilots are the best, especially in winter weather, thank you!!!
@@Farlig69
There are several Danish, Swedish and probably also Norwegian pilots flying for other companies. Many airlines have great pilots, and I have logged over 600k km in the air over the years. There are good and bad pilots everywhere, and SAS does not stand out in comparison to other Northern Euro and Western Euro airlines. TAP, KLM, LOT, SAS are lines that all provide good flights. Same with Emirates.
Thank you very much for sharing this experience! I can remember to have seen picture´s of the TAP aircraft with reverser doors open on one side and closed on the other side in the media at that time - and many questioning: how can this be possible?
@@AB-80X the best flights Ive been on is SAS and Norwegian, so I agree with the other guy
Petter, you and your team continue to amaze me! Your documentaries outclass anything ever produced by "cable" channels. Thank you so very much for your obvious work and care into production and direction. You deserve a RUclips "Creme de la creme" award!
That’s so awesome to hear! Thank you
If only he'd stop promoting BetterHelp - they openly sell users data and are being investigated for using unqualified "therapists"
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I want to express my appreciation for these accident investigation report videos. Since I have spent a lot of time downloading and reading official accident investigation reports from several different countries, I know how technically dense those reports can be. Not to mention that as a lay person it is often difficult to grasp the importance or significance of certain data points, or sequence of events.
You also provide some much needed background information that explains certain systems and/or procedures, as well as the justification for those procedures.
Plus, you also provide an insider perspective on how the lessons learned impact and shape the present and future of aviation. That is very fascinating for me.
THANK YOU!!!!
Hi mentour just love your videos. Have watched all of them. I am 15 years old now. And I aspire to become a pilot when I grow up. I draw immense inspiration from you
That’s fantastic to hear and I wish you the very best of luck! 💕
15 too, want to do the same thing 😃
I’m 11 and want to be a aerodynamic enginnerr
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That A380 landing with the crosswind. Almost like mixing one of those oversized cargo ships with a racecar.
Pretty much!
My favorite plane to watch land in a crosswind is the C-5. The landing gear can swivel up to 20 degrees so they can do a crab landing completely before straightening out.
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They needed that steering for the Suez Canal ship.
@@markc2643the B52 can too, since the outer engine pods are that low they risk striking the ground if they don't land near perfectly wings level.
Cool that you mentioned the Cranbrook flight. My uncle was on it and one of the 4 survivors. He talked about watching the reverser deploy on one side and then going in to a cartwheel and then waking up in hospital. The similarities to this incident are eye opening although this one didn't result in tragedy. Neat to hear that it resulted in changing aviation rules surrounding thruster reversals and goarounds.
This humble viewer learns so much. My brother was a US Air Force pilot (starlifter). Naturally the house had tons of aviation magazines. One day he was home on leave, air show was on TV. We witnessed an in-air collision. His reactions were so much quicker, immediately saying punch it! Punch it!
No idea what that meant but I guess pilots would know. Me? I just got wildly interested in root cause analysis. Watching Mentour Pilot, Blanco Lirio, and a few others keeps me informed. Thank you.
Punch it means accelerate really hard. It's used for driving, too.
Blancolirio/ Juan Browne is indeed another Top Aviation Channel on RUclips!👍
1:10 - We have a similar term here in Germany: "Aprilwetter" which literally means "April weather". It is known as "moody", changeable weather with a rapid succession of sunshine, clouds and rain (sometimes snow and hail).
Yep! It’s the same 😂
I guess the U.K. weather in April is more like Portugal’s as we say “April Showers”. March on the other hand “comes in like a lion and leaves like a lamb”
@@molybdomancer195 Meanwhile, here in Minnesota, March and April can bring us anything from mild summer weather (70s F/20s C and sunny) to full-on snowstorms -- with mild to above-normal warmth more likely in April, and snow more likely in March. And many a March has "come in like a lamb and left like a lion", with early above-freezing weather followed by a late snowstorm or two.
Same in Czechia: "aprílové počasí".
Just to add that in Portugal there's "Abril, águas mil..." literally "in april, a thousand waters" like a lot of rain.
So happy you covered this TP flight incident. TP has great pilots and is in the top 10 safest airlines in the world, but bad things can happen even to the best. Just happy there was no catastrophe and another safety alert was the result. Thank you Mentour for another great report!
Thank YOU for being here! Glad you liked it
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I don't think this incident reflects poorly on the pilots at all. This could easily have been a crash, so really it's quite the opposite.
Their customer support is unfortunately terrible.
@@Skullair313 Yes their CS sucks but that has nothing to do with safety. In 70 years as a national airline, "only" one deadly crash.
I'm not a pilot and have never really engaged with the community, but your one all production quality, from animations, visuals and scripts makes thes concepts so easy to digest! Love your videos please keep them coming!!!
Welcome aboard! I’m so glad to have you with me and interacting. There is much more to come!
Brilliant description of the fault-process and what hidden dangers were revealed from the investigation. A VERY GOOD LESSON for software engineers too!
Indeed.
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Thank you MENTOUR PILOT!
Thank YOU for being here! 💕
I agreee, I jump right on it when he releases new content
Addiction implies a harmful dependence, whereas my habit of watching this channel is anything but :) I guess I can only speak for myself, though.
@@ByzantineDarkwraith Call it an obsession rather than addiction then. 🙂
@@ByzantineDarkwraith Addiction doesn't have to mean "harmful" it can mean anything habitual. Your just mentally thinking about harmful addictions, as these are highlighted the most!
I am 73, not a pilot, but always loved flying. Your channel is fantastic, you completely explain what happens and why so a layperson like me can understand. I watch other flight channels occasionally, but always come back to you for the real story of a particular event. So glad I found your channel, hope you never stop.
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As a 737 Captain Pilot, I diligently follow Peter's video releases and am among the first to view them. His work is truly commendable, and I admire his dedication to the field.🎉
Man this channel is incredible. Really high quality with a super knowledgeable narrator. Appreciate the work you and the team does!
Glad you enjoy it! We really try hard to give you the best possible content 💕
Except, it's terrible quality if the sponsor is BetterHelp as that's a scam
not only a narrator, but a top class Pilot!
At the 1-per-1000000 stat at 26:07 I realized this incident is probably the most tangible real-world example of what us computer programmers call a "race condition" I think I've seen. They can already be difficult to diagnose when it's just two pieces of code operating in their own virtual world; this is a piece of code, heavy machinery, and human input.
Edge case*, not race condition
Plus there didn't seem to be any comparison being done on commanded state of the thrust reversers for the two engines, perhaps on the (unwarranted) assumption that the two ECUs would never receive conflicting sensor inputs.
@@hilgertbos742 When signal travel time is the reason for differing output values why couldn't you speak of a 'race condition' event?
@@hilgertbos742 I'm not sure I agree - in this case the only difference between the other 1-in-a-millions and this one was the point in time when the go-around was triggered, which is a more of a timing issue between those systems. I would however say the need to do the go-around after engaging thrust reversers (that is, all the 1-in-a-millions together collectively) constitutes an edge case.
@@aaronwilcox2780 I agree! As an electronics engineer with a bit of programming experience and a bit of background in the aviation industry the Left/Right isolation of WOW and reverser logic really screamed out to me! Didn't the people doing the logic talk to a few pilots to understand what can happen when an aircraft lands? Assuming Petter's diagrams are correct, having the Right thrust reverser co-ordinated only with the Right gear. (and Left reverser with Left gear...) doesn't pass even the most rudimentary "sniff" test as it sets up the exact condition Petter says you want to avoid: Extreme asymmetric thrust. How did this ever get past a design review let alone get certified? Or did I misunderstand something?
"There was a note in their flying manual"....this statement scares me. As a teacher, how often do I really read those NOTES?? I can just imagine how little time these pilots have for those sudden notes.
We spend a lot of time, reading those manuals. It’s what pilots live by
And usually the important details are in those “notes”.
We used to say that engineers designed the aircraft, lawyers wrote the manuals and pilots wrote those “notes”
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How Airbus carried out that deep dive into their own data is probably worthy of a video on its own!
the few seconds the crew has to respond still amazes me. The skill required is incredible
"Aprilväder", I think I like Swedish. In German, we say "Aprilwetter". We also say "April, April, der macht was er will." (Swedish: "April, april, han gör som han vill.", English: "April, April, he does what he wants.", both according to Google Translate)
In french we say "En avril tu ne te découvriras pas d'un fil" meaning the weather is fast changing even if it is warm it can become suddenly colder. The idea is the same.
Vet inte vad han vill would be my translation as I am familiar with a slightly different variety of the saying.
April Showers is a thing here in Britain at least. Seems every culture has a phrase for April and it's terrible weather
Here is one more: Áprilisi időjárás
In polish we say "kwiecień plecień bo przeplata troche zimy troche lata" - "Interweaved April as it interweaves a bit of winter with a bit of summer"
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You are 100% correct. It's not a good company.
For the last issue, Petter could use his other partner, incogni to step up against any dubious trades from BH. 😎
Well, since we're asking him to stop doing something, I am going to ask for music to not be used at all when he's speaking. It is very distracting. And, no, enabling the c/c is not the solution, as then you have to read them, and not watch the screen. Also, since the c/c are auto-generated, they can get things wrong: in one video where I did enable them, 'fore' was written as 'four.' At least in that case it was easy enough to know what was meant. But still, any sort of music is just not needed when we are trying to listen to him tell us why a plane experienced whatever or why a pilot did or didn't do something.
@@bikeny Hear Hear! My peeve as well. Petter's background is milder than some that I just cannot watch as much as I like the content.
OMG!
@Mentour Pilot Hats off to you. I am an Air Force crew member in fighters (with Thrust Reverser) and an FAA Licensed Commercial Pilot. I read and watch mishaps debriefs professionally, and yours are to the highest standards, both in technical details and human factors. Thanks for spreading just culture and awareness in the public.
Wowl. Talk about coincidence. Days ago I asked Kelsey (from 747gear) to have a look at this incident. now you cover it. As someone who has travelled with TAP many times, thank you.
I hope you found it interesting!
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Enlightening as always. I particularly like your "way forward" and recommendations, but the attention to detail and constant reflections on details and procedures is first class.
You mean 74Gear? I am a big fan also.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Yeah, 74gear. My bad. :D Great channels, both.
Great video as always :) and well timed for me as I have just flown with TAP this week and the pilots arriving into Lisbon had to contend with incredibly poor conditions (rain, high winds, lots of cloud and a lightning strike close by). As much as I was convinced the plane was probably going to crash, they managed to land safely. Commendations to those pilots for holding it together brilliantly :)
This has to be the best aviation explanation videos yet Peter. Would love to see some simulator videos of Emergancy situations being dealt with. Keep up the excellent work....
Great suggestion! Thank you so much for your kind words!
I think it's absolutely insane that you can't retract the reversers while in the air.
17:09 to 17:34 I love the honesty here. The cheeky smile at the end says exactly which reason is actually going through your mind in the moment.
It's also because it's really fun 😂
Yah, one of the few times you can see a stronger emotion slip through the 'presenter' filter. His other one I like is his "WTAF YOU DUMB SHITE" face from the air maroc bouncing plane vid
It's one of those rare times where there might because lot of genuinely good reasons to do something, but really it's because it's just fun. Kinda like how some doctors like treating dislocations because it's one of the few times they can almost immediately make a patient feel 10x better and fix the issue.
These videos should be mandatory in airline safety training. Well done. Again.
Glad you think so! 💕
I feel this presentation actively saved lives at the end. Thank you for presenting this.
Wow that was a good one.
A mere 183ms made the difference to how an engine operated.
Very interesting to discover the once a month reverse and TOGA situation too for a single aircraft.
Some outstanding learnings from this single non-fatal incident.
Nice, you honestly do the best aviation videos on the internet. So good man!
Thank you! My team and I are doing our very best 💕
How big is your '"team"? @@MentourPilot
No. not with BetterHelp as a sponsor. It's a scam.
Excellent production, can't get more professional than this. "Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong".
Yes, indeed.
Thank you Petter for highlighting this potentially once a month issue - I sincerely hope that pilots and aviation authorities out there who watch your channel take action to prevent this happening in future. Great video and possibly you will have saved some lives with this one - well done!
Mentour Pilot is a incredibly valuable resource for pilots of all kinds, and also should be required viewing for air accident investigators globally. The step by step analysis of incidents like these, free of bias or interference by aircraft manufacturers ( you know who I mean) is second to none. The impeccable Blancolerio Channel is of similar quality, but concentrated on U.S. incidents
17:31 i love that comment haha, glad you're having fun up there :)
Excellent video, Petter. Anytime we can learn without a blood price, it’s a good day.
My point exactly!
I have often seen the thrust reversers at work and wondered how they function, so to get the explanations together with the interesting incident was great to watch. And the CG simulation is outstanding!
As usual, a very high quality mini documentary on the flight safety & incidents. Thank you!
It's always good when we can learn from incidents and accidents that don't cost lives. 🤗
Yep, I feel exactly the same way 💕
Yes, indeed, exactly.
I love your videos!! I was just out of things to watch today and this is live wooohooo!!
Just as a note though, you might want to reconsider the Betterhelp sponsorship? Aside from their privacy concerns, among therapists they are very predatory, not paying their therapists, and unsustainable work conditions for therapists who have just graduated. I am all for affordable mental health but Betterhelp is not one of them
He has already defended them up above so I'd say that's a no. I have to vote with my feet on this one. Skipping.
Agreed. It's indefensible. Mind you, VPNs claiming to be "security" tools that protect users against an imagined threat that hadn't existed for well over a decade is also really shady. Safe to say Mentor Pilot does not even slightly bother to get his sponsors. Just the money.
I thought it was really cool to hear the pilot went through single engine failure procedure. I'm not q pilot, just fascinated by aviation, so it might not be as remarkable to those in the industry, but from the outside it speaks volumes about the training, experience, and situational awareness of the pilot. It ties in to the "aviate, navigate, communicate" so well.
I used to be a nervous flier. Your videos have eradicated that fear. Thank you, Petter and all the folks who work on @MentourPilot videos!
I gotta say, I'm so glad I found this channel. Hard tro believe I've already been watching for a couple years.
I'm not even a pilot or anything, just fascinated with the intricacies of this kind of stuff. It's awesome, thank you for all the great stuff, Petter & Team! 😃
I've been watching Aircraft Investigations for years and although I am a nervous flyer (been in less than 10flights) - I love to watch investigation videos to understand more about why they can happen even to the best pilots. Ever since finding your channel (about a year ago or more) I have watched all of your videos (most of them multiple times) you have put out regarding such accidents/incidents.The quality you and your team is putting out is insane and thank you and your team for the great work..
You contribute to safety for the whole industry. I even take alot from the airline industry to my job in the transport on the road as trucker.
Per example: recently a client complained that she was calling of her earliest customers due to unforeseen delay of the truck. The dispatcher had seen trough my onboard PDA that I was surrounded by heavy traffic on al routes, and that I could not make it on time. So he/she called the store by default. Knowing and agreeing with something I took from your videos; Aviate, navigate, communicate.
The store its online buy and collect in the store manager, became angry as I navigated the traffic well, and managed to make it within the smallest margins of time to unload and get everything to the customers. Unjust of her, but I understand why she reacts the way she did. My priority is still, operating the vehicle (truck) safely, navigate using terrain knowledge, experience and prior to start map studies on the route with possible alternatives. Then, only then, communicating my decision and possible ETA to the dispatcher.
Great video Petter, well done. Just goes to show how quickly things can go wrong.
As a highly anxious and nervous flyer, I've always struggled with flying. I travel a lot for work and leisure as travel is my ultimate passion but I have always found the flying part the worst and always wanted to get it over with. I would even stress days and hours leading up to going to the airport anticipating all kinds of tragedies bound to happen.
I decided to take matters into my own hands 2 years ago when I had a meltdown on a flight when we hit turbulence and I found your channel and I've made such improvements, that I am *almost* not scared of flying.
Your passion, relatively clear ways of explaining things and delving deep into the technical aspects of flying including teaching us laymen terminology like hydrolics, yaw, thrust, gain, windshear etc. has helped so much in reasoning with my fears when the panic strikes. Knowledge is power! I am eternally grateful for this channel and I often share about my learnings with other people and nervous flyers to spread the good word of Mentour Pilot. Thank you for all you do! 💜
Love your videos and always waiting for new content in your channel. Greetings from Portugal 🇵🇹
TAP Air Portugal ❤️
Glad you like them! 💕💕
As a student pilot I find these videos very informative and educational because I am learning my CPL engines and air frames and I already know a lot of it just from watching you.
mentor pilot, I was on the Lauda Air 004 a month before he crashed. It was unbelievable I'll never forget this my whole family was on board that airplane I feel so sad for those who died in that terrible accident
Stumbled across your channel a week ago and I am hooked!! Your ability to explain is incredible.
I have really been enjoying your videos. I even forwarded your channel to various pilot friends. I believe you have a gift to equip and train all of us - the pilots AND those of us who fly with them.
Much appreciated! We are trying our best to keep you guys happy and trained! 😉
Even though I have no connection to aviation in any way, shape or form, I always find these videos to be extremely interesting -- and everything gets explained in a way that feels rather detailed from a layman's perspective, but not overwhelming. Just the right setting.
Perfect lessons once again! I would like to add that it is also very important to keep your hand on the thrust levers until you are completely sure the aircraft is on the ground. Sometimes you see pilots reaching for the thrust reversers while the aircraft is floating above the runway. There is no need to hurry!
You want to know what's crazy? It took Mentour Pilot 30 minutes to explain what went wrong in a span of about 30 seconds worth of flying. The pilot had seconds to notice the problem, work out the root cause, correct the issue and then steer the plane until it achieved enough speed to gain altitude all while avoiding a collision with infrastructure. That's the pilot I would hope for if I ever do fly again, despite his initial error.
Just yesterday I completed my type rating in my first TR-equipped aircraft. I needed to hear this.
Thank you for all you contribute to the community, and for sharing these vital lessons earned over the years. Fly safe!
I'm glad you are calling attention to the never go around once reversers had been engaged.
This is probably the scariest incident you've covered so far for me mostly because it isn't a cascade of issues but rather just a couple and then bad luck. So many of the things you cover are repeating known issues (which is more frustrating than scary), but this is something outside of the previous scope of concern that becomes a big issue
Thank you for the work, you and the team.
I've seen the decrab in person many times when watching planes land on high altitude airports.. I remember the first few times, it was bizarre to see and I was convinced something was wrong but the pilots obviously knew what they were doing. I don't know how perfect or not the pilots I saw did it, but all planes landed nomally. Hats off to you guys and thank dog the passengers aren't really aware it's happening
If you are in the back of a large aircraft and the PF does a major de-crab you WILL know about it! Basically you will get jerked sideways quite abruptly.
@@Vincent_Sullivan And it's funny seeing aB-52 landing, with its 20Deg max crab angle built into the landing gears, and then continue taxing with that crab angle.
Below an earlier video of Petter's, there was a comment that went roughly like this: "During the landing, the passenger in the seat next to me, clearly an very nervous flier, suddenly shrieked: 'Look out of that window, you can see the runway right there! The aircraft is heading into a totally wrong direction, we are all going to die!' - I calmly explained to that person what a crab landing is, why pilots occasionally do that, and that i learnt that from Petter's videos. That person was super grateful."
So i think passengers do sometimes notice when a large-angle crab is executed.
Or is this an urbal legend? Admitted, i'm quoting this from hearsay.
This pilot sure did a great job .
The analysis and corrective actions are so interesting.
I Love your channel. You are great and such an asset to aviation.
Cheers from Schuylkill County, PA
What a great orator and informative person, Petter is. I have a very low boredom threshold and sitting and listening to someone speak for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour or whatever and I'm usually in the land of day dreaming, not learning anything. Not so with Mentour Pilot, I would be very eager to get to class if Petter was instructing me , his delivery, knowledge and enthusiasm all come through, it's captivating. Thank you Petter, brilliant video !
Very well said! That’s me too! I worked in the industry as a supply chain quality manager for nearly forty years, so I have an interest in the subject, but, I’ve a low boredom threshold too, same as you! But, every single presentation Petter has done, is so professional, engaging, amazing oratory skills, and technical knowledge, my concentration never wavers. There’s nothing on tv or film which holds my interest as much as a video by Petter with his Mentour pages. I sincerely hope he truly knows just how good he is and how much love there is out here for his work. Simply amazing. Thanks Petter, always, and thanks coffeeguy for highlighting how I too am positioned when faced with a video of more than a few minutes! Only Mentour videos can hold my attention, and there’s so much to learn, and it’s always shown so that a non pilot like me can truly understand the scenario, the risks, opportunities, etc, and how a combination of human error and aircraft limitations or shortcomings can result in crises. Cheers. Si.
Fantastic! Thank you for covering this, big cheers from Portugal :)
I don’t understand how people can not like this channel
Aww, thank you! 💕
This was a very good vid, but I'll understand if people sometimes find them too long. In general, they are certainly the longest vids in this category. I find myself skipping fwd a lot, to get to the point.
@@sancalisto2371 Same, having to play it in 1.5x and skip a lot. I wish his videos were structured more like the vids by @GreenDotAviation
@@psp10004 Yeah Green Dot is excellent, I do prefer Mentour though.
Ther are plenty of us who prefer these longer ones to the shorter video of other creators. To each their own
Another great video with sufficient detail not to confuse the non-technical audience but enough to explain what was happening. Keep up the good work!
Here in Eastern Europe the spring weather can be really unpredictable as well. It's not uncommon for it to cycle through all four seasons in one day's length.
Very interesting story, and I'm glad everyone walked from this unharmed. Although the software engineer in me wondered why they chose not to allow for stowing of reverser flaps regardless of the weight-on-wheels switch. That didn't look sensible to me. Glad they're addressing it.
great video as always Petter, and glad that everyone was safe!
This story gave me some goose bumps.
I’m a software engineer with almost 20 years of experience. I just don’t understand how this possibly wasn’t accounted for during the system design phase. It’s pretty obvious that both engine modes should always match. There should never be a situation when one engine is commanded into a forward thrust mode, while the other is commanded to stay in the reverse mode.
If there’s a disagreement between the left and right controlling signals - both engines must remain in their current configuration. Such simple logic would ensure that two engines will never be commanded into different modes
Retired embedded systems engineer here.
Yes, it shouldn't be possible for one side of the aircraft to "think" that it's on the ground, and so enable reverse thrust, while the other side "thinks" it's airborne, and so inhibits it. Both engines must always be in the same thrust reverse state.
I was thinking the exact same thing. As he began explaining the split-up system of sensors and engines, I already knew - but couldn't quite believe - what was coming. It seems completely bizarre that anyone would make a system separated up in left and right so that it can think that the one side of the plane is safely on the ground simultaneously with the other side being airborne.
Maybe it should still be possible to reverse thrust based on only one sensor - just in case the other sensor is malfunctioning - but obviously this should apply to both engines, and applying full thrust to one engine while the other is in reverse, should not be possible - or be accompanied by some serious alarms!
I was looking for a comment like this, it's incredible how no one else seems to be mentioning it. As an electronics engineer it's hard for me to understand why the system is set up like that as well. The entire system rests upon the assumption that both sides will receive the same inputs which is never really a given. I'm actually surprised this didn't happen sooner!
@@orlandopockets6372 So what do you understand?
Good point. I worked on some ships that could couple or decouple propulsion systems as needed. Also it seems there isn't a manual switch (overrides the logic) to stow the reversers back as the pilots had to shut down the engine. A blinking warning should be displayed on the main screen if the reversers are sensed not at the locked stowed/deployed position.
Thank you so much for making these videos. They are of such high quality, detailed yet still accessible and throughly entertaining to watch. Thank you!!
Glad you like them! 💕💕
I’m a doctor, not a pilot, but we also hold ‘M&M’ (morbidity and mortality) departmental conferences to evaluate errors and unexpected outcomes. This video is beautifully put together: well researched, very detailed, logical, and very well-explained. A model of its kind, so thank you.
It’s always a challenge to predict the corner cases where things can go into the weeds due to a one in a million confluence of events. That this one happened in the 0.18 second window where it could cause a potential disaster is a prime example of that. I don’t envy software engineers that develop these systems - there are simply so many of these bizarre combinations that they must try to predict and code around no matter how remote the possibility.
Spring weather's the same in the UK. For instance just in the last hour with have had clears blue skies, calm and warm sunshine, blustery wind, heavy rain, and a massive hail storm that last for 90 seconds and then cleared. This is why Brits are obsessed with the weather, we get so damn much of it, lol.
The honesty at 17:26 cracked me up. Couldn't agree more!
Watching your videos is strangely comforting to see how the pilots can overcome difficulties and make a landing without anyone getting hurt in most cases. Thanks for your work.
I can't get over how informative this is! I have flown (as passenger) loads and had still had nooo idea how the reverse thrust actually physically works! I thought it was just on the wings! The advice/insight MP gave on top then blew my mind away even more 👏👏
Hard to understand why the criteria for reverser deployment or stowing on either engine was specific to the squat switch on just the engine side affected. Logic would suggest that they would not be deployed/stowed unless both squat switches were in the same position.
Good point
It is not that easy. If you do that, it might cause other problems: If there is a fault in one of the squat switches, you might have no reverse thrust at all, or it can introduce unwanted delays in reverse deployment when the plane lands in a way where there is insufficient load on one of the gear sets due to crosswinds. You might also introduce other new failure modes in the deployment logic in case one of the computers or sensors monitoring the deployment fails. So before you deploy a solution, you have to check how often these systems fail, or you will end up making things worse by introducing more single points of failure than the current system has. This is one reason why it takes so much time to engineer a fix: You need to account for all the probabilities of components failing or wrong sensor readouts, and think about fail safe conditions and redundancy in the whole system as well.
It didn’t work out to well in this case did it? And to your point, airlines restrict single engine landings to only idle reverse thrust and use max auto braking. And I’ve never experienced a cross wind that with the boards deployed, there wasn’t immediately sufficient weight on the gear struts. If not, you are describing a situation where the aircraft is out of control and continuing the landing would not end well. Not saying that it is “that easy”; just taking exception with your examples.
@@peterprokop the planes are designed and tested to completely stop without reverse thrust, its use is merely to save on brakes and maintenance. This is yet another reason why pilots should not be too quick to engage it as it happened here. Auto brake will do its job either way.
I'd like to improve on my previous comment: if the engine control computer (let's call it ECC) gets a signal that the plane has put force onto the plane tires, it should not be a yes or no one time situation. If the reverser is selected and force is applied, then reverser comes on. If a second later, weight is removed, the reverser is closed (turned off). On two engine aircraft, if one engine has reverser open and the other doesn't and it cannot close the reverser then it needs to go to idle
While it was dangerous, great that this freak coincidence happened as now it can be fixed for the future flights
Yet another superb explanation of a complex aviation incident - WELL DONE! I always assumed that the thrust reverser logic worked in unison on both engines.
I admire the approach used into investigations on this channel especially considering technical aspects in details !
In addition to cool scenario simulation makes it super- exciting to watch. Thank you Petter !
Looking forward to even more reviews like that👍👍👍
I’m glad this was figured out without any souls lost. May god bless everyone out there ❤
Thank you for not using generic stock video clips. I find that so annoying when channels do that.
Your storytelling is top notch, very engaging channel.
Many TAP portuguese pilots are ex-pilots from the air force. They are very experienced pilots, used to react quickly. They are top of the top. During landing, the captain for sure took what he considered was the best decisions to ensure the safety of everybody. After the reverse lock, he was dealing with a very difficult situation, but thanks to his skills and knowledge, in the end everybody was safe.
I love Mentour pilot videos. You have single-handedly cured my fear of flying Petter. Also, seeing airplanes land with crosswinds is one of the most breathtaking sights. I have seen several and I'm always in awe of the pilot's expertise!
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i recently got my mentour pilot 'this is how i roll' tshirt and i love it!! thank you so much for making me want to be a pilot, petter!!
Awesome!! Send pictures!
Hooray for the engineers who argued for the implementation of auto idle.