It feels really bad that they made such a cool pokemon as entei bossted his image with a movie around him and then demolished his stats and movepool in game Great video man keep up the good work
I feel like it's less that he's weak, but more weak as a solo runner in FireRed specifically. The Fire type gets super punished. Thank you :) Plenty more to come!
Vulcan, now there's a nickname I'm quite fond of. It's what I named my Typhlosion back when I first played the original Silver on GBC, and likewise again in the Soul Silver. I've also run a Thor in those games, although it was an Ampharos instead. My legendary beasts were named for the recurrent trio of Final Fantasy summons, Ifrit, Ramuh, and Shiva.
I enjoyed picking nicknames for these three! They were also a ton of fun to run. Vulcan fits Typhlosion very well. Thor for Amphy too :) Ooohh I like the aeon names! I'll have to remember those for the future
I initially thought suicine would win. It is such a demon in competitive play due to its bulk and setup potentially and was so dangerous that ghost curse was actually used just to counter suicine and friends.
I did as well! I was surprised at how close this ended up being. I'm less familiar with the competitive scene but I know a lot of competitive players question the things I do in solo runs :P Suicune was without a doubt the most solid feeling to play. Thanks!
Just because Eusine & Suicune are such an amazing sync pair in Pokemon Masters EX and it's great fun to spam infinite flinching Surfs on everything with them, I guess Suicune is my favorite legendary beast. (Also it's rai-koh)
That was awesome! I was hoping at the end that Entei would pull through because he's my favorite beast! Even though I figured he would be last. Although I'm very happy how competitive this was!
@@Eggsceptional Entei had a great run! I thought the other two would be more ahead so I'm very happy! At first I thought maybe HP Rock could've been a good idea to solve Lance and take advantage of Entei's solid attack stat, but then I saw the work HP Grass put in and how it synergized better with that set. Very excellent 👌
@@d.a.d.-ohgosh I had considered going with Rock and leaning into the physical side more with Entei. I decided against it because of Intimidate from Gyarados and Calm Mind. Set up it just too good!
@@d.a.d.-ohgosh It makes me think about using moves like Haze which as a kid I'd never once considered :P But I don't know why there isn't an equivalent SpA version!
What an epic race that was. I wasn't sure on who to bet,but I knew that Suicune could be the winner because of its typing and bulk. But in solo runs that's not the most important thing, speed and great offensive stat with a set up move can sure produce a lot of good results.🤔 But at least I had the chance to see Entei try out it's best. Entei is my favorite out of the three ever since I watched the 3th pokemon movie at home as a kid. 😊 Even though all there had to result to use hidden power ,and substitute they all had thier fair share of struggle in some certain of their respective runs. Raikou was having a slow run in the early game due to Brock ,while Suicune had rough mid game ,while Entei was struggling with the rest. I can't thank you enough for the treat.😁
It's such a hard thing to predict sometimes! I thought for sure Suicune had this, but playing them it turns out that Raikou's stats really make a different. Plus, Thunderbolt was so darn strong ALL the time :P Poor Entei struggled all game long in that first run. The second run definitely felt like redemption for it. Entei is the one that looks the most huggable to me :P It's my pleasure! Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional Same here. I thought that the water typing and Suicune's defensive bulk will be enough to carry it out throughout the run. I guess that I was comparing Firered to pokemon yellow too much 😄. In gen 1 usually fire and electric types are having a hard time. But I guess the Raikou was reminding us that having great stats and having hp with a type that fits the pokemon,can in fact make the difference sometimes. And I can't argue with that, Entei seems to be fluffier than the other two.☺️
@@bateltheassistant I felt the same way initially! The Water type is just so good, and Suicune was 100% the most solid feeling to play. I kept complaining about the Fire type, but you're right Electric suffers a lot too. Raikou was just too strong :P Doesn't he though? Ahhh it feels like he'd be very wild animal like though. Super fluffy and touchable looking, but as you approach a low growl starts emanating from Entei :P
Pokemon Fire Red will always have a special place in my heart as the first Pokemon game I've ever played but holy shit are the available moves for the Pokemon bad and one dimensional. Not to mention half the Pokemon in fire Red are using non STAB moves or using special moves with stat distributions for a physical set. Love the playthrough though!
It felt super weird having to supplement a legendary learn set but hey, them's the breaks. I'm looking forward to re-eggsploring this trio in Gen 4 when I'm more comfortable playing SoulSilver with more options. Thank you!! :)
Thank you! As a kid, and honestly until I started making videos for the channel I was right there with you. In the interest of real time completion though I find that setting up makes everything faster. Thank you! :)
i didnt pay 100% attention, but was sub against heracross the right choice for entei? i probably missremember some mechanic here, isnt it that the sub breaks after it receives as much damage as the pokemon lost to use it? so instead of wastin time on it, you could calm mind to power up, no? or has the sub more health than what you use to set it up?
Rock Tomb was a range to knock out the decoy. So sometimes it would break, sometimes it wouldn't. I needed my speed intact for the rest of the battle so it ended up being a "cross your fingers and hope" type of situation. If I were to do it again I'd put more effort into Entei's Defense to not have that problem again.
Ok, but the most important question is Can I pet that dog!!! Also good idea to take a break during that first entei run. So many people don't recognize when they need to just stop and walk away from a problem for a little bit.
Right?? I want to good Entei the biggest cuddle. I've been getting better about recognizing when it's time to walk away. Better.. I still have room to grow 😅 Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional he looks like he'd be so soft to hug! It's a hard skill to learn. Good on you for putting in the work to learn it! I'm still learning too.
The Regis have been being discussed for a while. They all start with Explosion and nothing else until level 9! I think we've come up with a clever way of making it work though :) Be patient with me! The list is long...
@@Eggsceptional take your time! And be sure to take some time for yourself! I appreciate all the content you've been making for us, Mr Eggman! Happy Holidays!
@@RobKni76 It's my genuine pleasure :) I'm working myself hard right now so I can have a week off at least at the end of the month. I need to spend some time with family :) Happy Holidays to you as well!
Aside from an early reset or two against Rival 2 or 3's Sleep Powder I really didn't feel like the Venusaur team would have made a significant impact. Venusaur is less threatening to Raikou than Exeggcutor was I think! Thanks for your input :)
I feel like if you broke down the runs enough all of them had plenty of opportunities to make time back. I loved how close this ended up being :D Thank you!
@@Eggsceptional I wonder if the RNG lined up right for them every time would it still be that close a race? I kind of thought Raikou, cool as it is, would have a hard boiled time with this. And suicune would have it over easy
@@ShukakuTheCrazy1 Love the puns :) I feel like with perfect RNG and eggsecution from me Raikou would end up on top. Needing so few set up turns in the league poses a lot less risk, and well less turns, so less time. But Suicune was definitely the most solid to play. It's another video where I'm leaving it with almost as many questions as I answered :P
Going to predict that Suicune will be the most consistent and fastest. Due to the water/ice coverage being neutral vs everything bar other water types (hidden power?) And excellent bulk and support moves, I am confident in my prediction!
@@Eggsceptional Yes! I was floored at the ground Entei made up. I thought Raikou would have more resets and lose time due to the difference in bulk and the common EQ in the late game.
@@Necrostevo Honestly I was in the same boat but Raikou's ability to hit hard without much set up, and with good type line ups most of the time (LOVE STAB Thunderbolt).. Reflect to supplement Def. Raikou was solid. I was so happy with Entei's second run :) Thanks!
For the graphic at the end consider using a darker colored time bar and more vibrant individual Pokémon bars. Though I do think this may have a similar issue to the other one in that when it fills up it’s going to get a little messy.
Hmm I'll try playing with it a bit more. I was thinking about vertical stripes of sprites with multicoloured bars then extending horizontally and down. It may look more organized? Ooph. It already looks a little messy :P Thanks for your input!
@@Dark-Aclyss Hmm elminating the boxes may well eliminate the clutter. I'll give it a shot! The aspect ratio was weird on it too in this video. I stretched it a bit because I had an "F" tier at the end that I didn't end up liking so I may have cheated and stretched it :P Many improvements needed.
I get choosing one of each starter, and it doesn't really bother me, but Raikou does admittedly have a huge advantage. Positive matchup into charizard and gyarados, and crunch for exeggutor. Venusaur would have been much more difficult.
I honestly don't feel like Venusaur would have made much of a difference. Maybe a sleep powder loss or two in the early game, but by the late game Raikou was one shotting everything anyway. Thanks for your input!
@@spencerbrummett6712 That's fair! If not for the TM from Sabrina I would have had to wait until 81 for Calm Mind. That would have changed things a LOT.
No idea what to expect going in. But I'm pulling for Suicune. I still remember soft- resetting for...a while looking for a Shiny Suicine when playing as a kid. For some reason I always thought it was the coolest looking of this trio.
@@Eggsceptional I'd certainly say so! Some great moments throughout the run and a surprisingly close finish for all three of these Pokemon. No disappointment on this one.
Awesome run with the legendary doggos. lets do some recap and maybe feedback after looking through both run 1 n 2. Raikou: I am not sure why the rival picked charmander instead of bulbasaur line. I have a feeling the grass starter will be much harder for raikou for the earlygame just due to rival 2. Also, with this change, likely u will lean towards HP Ice more. Suicune: No comment. It will likely be the way I would play. :) Entei: Glad u discovered the sunny day strategy to power up your stab for Koga, for Entei HP-wise, I personally think there is only 3 contending HP, Ice/Grass and electric. All have their merits and demerits so there is no true answer to this, I could see HP electric being useful but it will make giovanni 3 a lot harder, so likely HP grass is the best option if talking just rival-wise, Lance-2 will be annoying but from your video it seems to work well enough for a competitive time. Also if u need a early solarbeam in the future for run 1 without HP grass or u just want to get Blaine done early, do remember once u get koga's badge, u can actually surf down by grabbing Eevee in Celadon and use a water stone to get a Vaporeon to go down early, just that 2.1k $$ for the water stone will need to be factored in. Last but not least, going with the trend of a little more unconventional playthrough, is it possible to see a run of yours doing a FR/LG minimum battles challenge with the R2 E4 in mind?Will like to see what your approach would be given the limited resources u will have for the entire game.
Raikou: I thought about it a bit and didn't feel that the Bulbasaur line would have made a significant impact on the run overall. HP Water would still have been my choice as Venusaur is less threatening than Exeggcutor was in the league :P Early game though you are correct! Some back Sleep Powder resets would have likely been inevitable. Suicune: Thank you :) This one felt the most intuitive. Entei: Ooph, the troublesome one. Thank you for the suggestion with Eevee! That has never occured to me before that's brilliant! That'll broaden my strategy so I can face Blaine early more comfortably in every future run. That's so great :D Hmmm a minimum battles run in FR would be a tough one. I don't think I'd do that one for any kind of competitive time, or even optimize because I'd have to save in front of every spinner. It'd be a fun idea to eggsplore for sure! Thank you for all of your input!! Cheers :)
@@Eggsceptional Well, HP water does solve bruno's steelix well but given a rerun, HP ice just works so much better due to boltbeam coverage will be neutral, and against t-tar, HP water is still weaker than thunderbolt just due to STAB bonuses, a nice thing to note is with lv 75, u guaranteed up to 90+ % of OKO t-tar with +2 T-Bolt with the current stat u have for raikou and a gd chance to OKO venusaur if u went with the grass starter for the rival, so a third optimized run u may wanna consider that, at lv 75, a +2 HP ice also does decently against bruno steelix by having a gd chance to OKO it as well, so overall I feel that HP Ice solves more issue than HP water, especially in the lategame, but given damage calcs are involved, it may make the run too mathematical XD Looking forward to the not a rat rodent race coming not sure when. I am gonna vote for best furboi furret, but I have a gd feeling linoone gonna take home the crown. :) But still, lets try to make gd of raticate to make youngster Joey proud of raising the best raticate he could ever imagine
@@shootingstardust97 Hey I'm genuinely convinced that math is a superpower. I'm really trying to be better at adding a more precise way to route second playthroughs. I want to build an HP Picker for instance that does these calcs for me in Excel :P Think today so I don't have to tomorrow! But yes, HP and Natures are something that I still struggle with sometimes. I appreciate your input :) I don't know.. Ratticate has Guts and STAB Facade in Round 2. That little fella is going to be hitting hard. I'm hoping to get that video produced in the next month or two. The 3ways are just such a titanic effort to put together in a week. Cheers!
Hey eggsceptional, let me tell you, elite four r2 really poses a threat even to legendaries! But I had bet Suicune would be the winner with the final improvements, that got me! Raikou being the winner really was a surprise... But let me tell you what I think. The legendary beasts learnsets, aside from TMS or HMS, aren't really that good. They should learn something really powerfull, exclusive to them. In my opinion there will never be a pokemon which would be a match for Kyogre or Groudon. Kyogre simply wrecked FireRed! By the way have you already done Lugia vs ho-oh? These two would be really good I guess. This race really fun! Thank you eggsceptional! Eggsceptional as always! You too take care!
No kidding the R2 league is tough! I felt the same way initially, that Suicune would win. Raikou just did better today. I feel like with Hidden Power evening things out the runs would likely bounce around each other with completion times. In later gens the beasts get way more coverage! I don't know about Kyogre not being beaten though... Today's video might have something to say about that ;) I did look at Lugia VS Ho-oh. It'll be awful! Neither learn an attacking move until level 22 :) I appreciate it. Thank you!
Two thoughts: 1) Snap reaction - oh man what did I do now? 2) Scott and I have connected in the past! He knows how to find me :P He is, after all, the one that inspired me to finally take a shot at this RUclips thing!
@@Eggsceptional it was all meant humorously, I just thought it was darn coincidental that you both released videos on the same set of Pokemon so close together :P
@@teriddax3692 It's happened before too, totally by accident! I released my Magnemite video like 3 days after Jrose11 did his :P I love when these happy little coincidences happen!
Hey Eggsceptional, just watched Scott‘s and your stream of FireRed the other day and really kiked your mood. Guess ‚m here now, and where better to start than with the 3 Legendary Beasts? :)
I appreciate that! I try to be really positive and friendly in my content. Spreading some love while appreciating such an incredible game is all that matters :D
I remember as a kid playing gold not knowing that the legendary beasts would just be randomly available on the map and I had Raikou appear as early as the route south of goldenrod and it basically KOed my quilava and I had no other Pokémon.
This may be some sort of Mandela effect, but I swear I can remember something similar. I think they're incredibly likely to Roar/run, but I could swear I've been smacked by one of the roamers in the past too. These are shaky, 20+ year old memories mind you :D
Raikou had always been my favorite. Probably due to the tiger design. It's a shame its movepool is lacking that extra oomf! I think nasty plot would help it immensely, but I don't think that move existed in gen 3.
No Nasty Plot in Gen 3 I'm afraid no. I'm really looking forward to re-eggsploring this trio in Gen 4 with a few more options available. Raikou has always been my favourite as well. The design is absolutely gorgeous. Aggressive, yet I still just want to give it a hug :)
@@Eggsceptional ye, absolutely gorgeous! In gen 4, it gets access to Discharge by level up, so that makes it so much better w/o dipping into T-bolt or Thunder.
@@Eggsceptional Scald, Discharge/Tbolt, and Calm Mind with maybe Crunch or Shadow Ball would be an excellent move pool I think. At least the first three, not sure about that fourth move slot.
@@CasualVideoGamer Hmm Crunch may fall off a bit in Gen 4 since it isn't special anymore. It hurt me so much to not take it in the second playthrough. I just look at Raikou's Gen 4 moves, and though Scald isn't on there I see some other fun options. Even in the event moves it can learn Aura Sphere! That would be fun....
One thing I’d just like to bring up to you, Eggceptional, is I noticed when Raikou was facing the champion, in your team layout, you spelled it, “Exeggcutor.” Also, “Misdreavous,” for Agatha. Just something to maybe be mindful of for future videos!!
You know, I've been made aware of the Misdreavous before, but never the Exeggutor! I could have sworn it had that "C". If you happen to find the 3rd "n" in Giovanni as well, all three are now on the list of fixes. Thank you for pointing it out! I have some rebuilding to do in early 2024 :)
Is there any chance you would make a video that shows how you set up the games? As in how you edit who the starter is going to be and how to change EVs and IVs?
That was an intense race and I loved every second of it! I had a feeling Raikou would win in the 2nd run with Hidden Power coverage though I figured it would be HP Ice but that's just my online battle mind talking, HP water was definitely the better option, ngl I was kinda expecting Entei to run a physical set with Return, HP Rock, Flamethrower for coverage/hitting lower Sp.def Pokémon and maybe Rest or Sub but I guess without a way to setup it would've been dang near impossible. My favorite of the 3 beasts is Raikou mostly because my brother used Suicune a lot and my sister used Entei but also because it was the first of the 3 I caught in GSC and electric types are my 2nd favorite type in the series. Also whenever you face the Round 2 Venusaur champion team it always feels like you're battling me because 5 of those Pokémon are ones I use quite often in my runs (swap out Ttar for Nidoking and it's basically my LeafGreen team as a kid)
I'm not sure about how impossible Entei would have been if I'd geared him more physically. In the interest of speed though I felt that SpA and Calm Mind were the answer. I maybe could have tested more extensively with HP Rock that's for sure. 115 base Atk is solid by itself. I absolutely love Raikou. It has such a killer design! That's a really cool thing with your childhood team. Does it bring you back at all seeing me battle him every week? That double Intimidate is so nasty!
@@Eggsceptional True 115 atk stat is nothing to scoff at and maybe with enough bulk it could be a solid run with sub but yeah in terms with keeping up with the other two I don't think it would work. Yeah it does bring back memories when I see the Venusaur team, my brother and my friend Yin would complain about the double intimidate whenever we battled since a lot of their favorite Pokémon were physical attackers, so sometimes I would swap out Arcanine with Aerodactyl or swap out Gyarados with Lapras (though Yin would have a lot of bad luck whenever I would use Larpas since I always got a freeze in every battle we had hehe)
@@lumineinfinitussilverkagat8094 There was always that one friend that hit Freezes without fail :P That's so fun! If they didn't like your Intimidates so much they should have cheesed you with Substitute ;) Nah, as far as kid me was concerned if it didn't do damage it wasn't a good move. It's great having those memories! I agree though, without the Sub/Calm Mind strats I'm not convinced Entei would have kept up with the others.
@@Eggsceptional I don't know why but it was only when me and him battled that the freeze would happen, that and there was one battle where I used one flash as a misclick (I forgot to delete it from my Alakazam) and Yin's Charizard missed four moves in a row. I know my sister used a lot of status and defensive moves but she didn't battle as much as we did, she preferred to complete the pokedex and do all the side content in the games like contests. as with Entei and it's gen 3 moveset I think you made the right call with sub and calm mind. That might as also be the play to go with in HGSS since I don't see much improvement with it's physical movepool outside of the event Entei who got Flare Blitz, Howl, and Extremespeed
actually that's a question to ask, in gen 4 would you consider using event versions of Pokemon or add in the event moves if you think it will help them or would you just use a base version of the Pokemon to keep it fair?
eggcellent, truly eggcellent and a most interesting run. I enjoyed it immensely. I see what you meant when you said the Venonat line caused you trouble, I almost couldn't believe that. I'd maintain that Muk caused you the most problems for all 3 of them. ok the 1st run.more than a little rough in places especially the league, your moveset limitations seemed to be the biggest issue for all 3 of them but especially Entei and not just that, its stats are not kind as is the case with a few fire types. did you for either of the runs consider leaning into the physical side for it. I know the prospect to boost with calm mind and have STAB flamethrower is most attractive to you, but surely a decent physical set would of done it some good especially with better access to Attack EV's opposed special attack EV's would help make up for this lack of boost and already higher attacking stat. I am surprised the closeness of raikou and suicine, I would of thought raikou would of suffered much more in this run, fire red is not kind to electric types after all, but I guess thats the power of bite and crunch for coverage. as for the 2nd I have great interesting in your choice of HP more than anything as for the 2nd run you had clearly worked out most of what you needed to in order to streamline the run and improve the performance of all 3, even entei, but again the moveset is the issue and HP seemed to solve a lot of that plus sub strats of course. water made sense for raikou as much as electric made sense suicune. the 2 types compliment each other, a combo of ice, electric and water is very handy for any run. I am surprised you didn't go with some rain dance strats with thunder and HP water for raikou, it would of hit good and hard and just as importantly accurate, but I guess its a moveslot taken and you need to keep calm mind and sub. entei was interesting to see, grass is handy but only to a certain point, ice or electric might of been better but considering how well your 2nd run and R2 went, its hard to be certain of that. a touch of testing maybe. do you ever use save states and altering your IV's for HP to test for particularly tricky or experimental runs? overall I am very impressed with all three of them, I would of though the lack of defensive stats for 2 of them and lack of attack for the other would of held them all back a little, legendaries like these are good, but not great after all, but they have done superbly. I'm inclined to say, and this a prediction for the future run on your list, that the Gen 1 Eeveelutions will perform in a very similar way as the beasts are very much upgrades on the Eeveelutions, flareon, my boi sadly in last and a close match between jolteon and vaporeon. I base this on the evaluations of False Swipe Gaming on the beasts and the eeveelutions and think it will go that way. some good news, I have cleared the gyms with Parasect with no additional resets, I got lucky, a got roared by Blaine, this reset the attack drop from intimidate so I could get the KO on the Arcaine which I somehow outsped. it is level 80 now and I fear the league might be ok, but the R2 may be unpleasant
It's true, of the Poison types Muk was the MOST troublesome. But that Venonat... I did consider leaning into the physical side more with Entei but I was so worried about the Intimidate from Gyarados hurting the damage output too much. I suppose I could have tested it a little more extensively. Set up is just so effective, but yeah it's not always fastest. The closeness of all three in this race, the way they bounced around in the first playthroughs. I loved watching this one come together. Water and Electric do compliment each other beautifully, and yeah generally mixed with Ice is pretty much perfection for this game. I actually played Raikou (I'm pretty sure) and the problems that I had with Entei's set up of Sunny Day, and just Entei in general I think really discouraged me from anything that was remotely similar. I had thought about Thunder/Rain Dance, but Reflect was so valuable. With PKHeX I have the ability to just cheat around so I don't use any save states while running. I test using a save file in front of R1 and in front of R2 because it's so easy to just swap out the Pokémon, and boom ready to go. I have the inventory stacked with items too for convenience. I'm not sure when I'll get to the Eeveelutions but I'm very excited for them. I haven't looked at them extensively but I'm hoping they have a LITTLE bit more coverage, at least in egg move options. Anything more than 2 types. The Roar from Blaine can be such a pain! That's awesome to hear that your Parasect is having so much success. I can't remember how my Paras run went exactly I may have blocked it out. But level 80 for Round 1 sounds appropriate. R2 is disgusting :P That's a pretty wild base defense but I totally forgot about how heavy the Regis are and how much that Mankey is actually going to hurt because we'll be like.. level 16? Either way, with my production process slowly getting more streamlined I'm hoping I can bring more VS videos, especially more 3ways than once every 5-6 months. I feel like the any similar run like that - Steelix, Aggron, Golem, Rhydon. Any of them with low speeds and common weaknesses will have a guaranteed number of hail mary moments that need to be routed in. Quick Claws/Iron Tail hits or die. I really don't like the idea of random IVs because it's harder to extract meaning from the results for the second playthrough. The Parasect hatred is all in good fun I hope you know :P Yeah there were a few coins added to the swear jar on that last one. I was all fired up by the end of the stream! That's a fair point too about all having a lot to learn. That shortcut in Koga's gym absolutely rocked my world for example. I love learning new things! A few people have requested old VS pairs going through as doubles pairs but that kind of sparked another idea in me. If, after a little while of course, we can dial in the format I'd love running Scyther/Pinsir VS Scizor/Heracross and expand the VS format as well. Those would be a lot of fun, but a huge amount of effort I feel. Probably the same amount as a solo 3way VS? Eh. I don't know. Below level 80 is pretty respectable for sure! That's including Round 2? I'm pretty impressed by Venomoth. And yes, see above for Parasect praise. I'm all caught up on it again!
@@Eggsceptional the mono poison types (and quite a few of the others for that matter) can be rough to run, but are always oddly rough opponents, Muk is a special pain, I think many forget that it special defense and HP are massive and can boost with acid armor and add in minimize and you got a problem, straight in with a round move is the best way with it. ah yes the intimidating water onix, always a problem, the fact that Lance leads with it is the most trolly thing in all of Gen 3, an instant attack drop with no choice in the matter (except a select few you'll love running of course). testing is always a good plan for runs, although you got to have time for it and I think its save to say you've been busy recently. and yes the closeness of the 3 at the end of the 2nd run was a big surprise, I though entie would be a lot further behind, but you did good with it and all of them. I think Entei and Raikou had the most issues with set up, for all the speed and power they both have, they are very frail especially compared to suicune, reflect was a good call overall, I think entei should of had it as well, rock and ground are the bane of it after all. calm mind is good for special, but what good is that when the physical is like a sheet of glass. did you consider looking into having a nature for plus defense for either of them, suicune is few enough as its pure special attack and bulky already, but the others need of a little bulk make it worth trying. I love the Eeveelutions, in fire red they run in very interesting ways. Vaporeon is like suicune junior and almost identical moveset except no bubblebeam or calm mind, but acid armor is good. Jolteon is fast but frail as you can imagine but has the best coverage as it gets double kick and pin missile (better than nothing I assure you) although I don't think it needs agility on its moveset base 130 is enough. flareon is the odd one, its base 130 attack means shadow ball, dig, iron tail, all the normal moves, are gonna hit hard and base 90 special attack isn't bad for flamethrower. I can't comment on espeon and umbreon as I have never owned one in Gen 3. I don't need to guess you egg moves for all of them as curse is an option and we both know you love your set up, flareon and jolteon might make best use of it because of the movepools and stat spreads. you might need to take some optional battles for the sake of bulk with all of them for the sake of that mankey alone, regirock might not need it as much, registeel has base 150 for defense and special defense so might be ok but I wouldn't risk it, but regice will need the bulk most, all 3 get curse so boosting its defense is an option at least. I guess they are a long way off and you have time to think them through a little. the big rock and steels all are rather similar in terms of stats, movesets and weaknesses and will run in a similar manner. I believe Golem might get the win though, despite the dual water and grass weaknesses, it is a reliable runner. it always feels a touch faster than the others and I think i has the better special defense, add in STAB rollout and earthquake is monstrous for any run, add in defense curl and brick break and you got a rock monster. Steelix I think would a close 2nd, it has less crippling weaknesses and a rather good moveset and STAB and I believe if you do a VS it has access to curse, I need to look into that though. Aggron and rhydon is harder to call, appropriate as they are thematically similar, but both will suffer in similar ways. you may hate Parasect a little more after I tell you my results with it. but I know its all good fun. and fair enough with the random IV's, they might be awful or perfect, thats the nature of the game, but would yield some weird results and some strange HP options of course. I like little things like that with Kogas gym, I wonder how many more there might be? I rarely need to use it though, with gyms, I take on all trainers in there, once the gym leader is beat, you can't battle them and that is wasted experience, the levels might be needed later. an interesting prospect and I think worth looking into, I am glad its bot just me thinking of the old VS remade into doubles and I see my love of the bugs is rubbing off on you, those big bugs will be very interesting to see run like that, but that is a big big ask to do all 4 of them as a VS in doubles, I'd say more work than the 3 way VS. the Venomoth got through the R1 at 75-78, I use a rare candy or 2 for damage rounding against Lance and the champion of course, but the R2 was 83-85, a little lower than the butterfrees, but still the overall winner, I still would of loved dream eater or even shadow ball for it. I have finished Parasect, R1 was smooth, Lorelei and Bruno were fine, but Agatha and Lance were harder and caused a few resets, but we eggspected that. the champion caused half a dozen but thats because of Arcanine, its flamethrowers KO'd everytime. I did this at 85-88 with a moveset of giga drain, dig, HP rock (power between 65 and 70) and aerial ace. R2 was a lot harder as you can imagine, a few resets on Lorelei because of ice beams and sleep ending too soon. I had switched to pure physical for R2 and had spore and SD with Aerial Ace and I rotated dig and HP rock depending on the opponent. no need to talk about Bruno no no. Agatha was an evil witch, the whole team out speeds and status ruined Parasect so many times, confusion with full attack set up is evil. most of my resets in the R2 are because of her, I relied on a lum berry and sleep lasting long enough for set up there. Lance wasn't as bad as you'd think, Parasect, thanks to how the EV's of fire red spread and some decent IV's as a massive defense and tanked aerial aces and wing attacks from the dragonites and aerodactyl, very handy, but it fell a few times to flamethrowers again, it has almost no special defense and even neutral or non STAB special attacks can KO. again more resets here but not as many as Agatha. now you're not going to believe this, but I got no resets on the champion. I somehow speed tied the heracross, got it to speed and set up completely and KO'd it and the tyranitar, blastoise came next and set up rain dance so sandstorm was gone and Arcanines overheat was weakened in the rain (but still missed) alakazam just tried to set up calm mind and the final egg fell to aerial ace. I did it with maybe 50 resets overall and level 95-98 (leveled up to 99 on the last Pokemon) I shall not brag, I got lucky in a lot of places, but I'd like to think I have proved Parasect can do it that is the end of the solo bug runs for me, now it is time for the bug team, again on leaf green, I will do a full Gen 1 bug team (I will trade over a scyther once I have a few badges so it will obey), I may do a 2nd run on fire red using a few Gen 2 bugs after and I have a few other runs planned before moving to Hoenn for a while
@@jptheflipper3825 Thank you! It was honestly when Entei's speed just lined up perfectly for and earlier Misty with the 31 IV run that I starting to feel REALLY good about the Entei run. It was a wild race to script :D I did consider a +Def nature with Raikou, not with Entei, though with how that one turned out I almost should have. I felt that like given the results in the first run and how many ranges I just BARELY missed I needed to stick with Modest. I wish I could put the time into doing like.. 3-5 runs with these videos to really dial in each one. But yeah.. no time for that. Depending on what I can do with Jolteon going with Curse may not be the way. I just haven't looked into them enough. But yeah. base 130 speed AND agility? No way :P I'm looking forward to running them. I'm thinking maybe in the early months of 2024 I'll get to them? They've been on my mind a long time. The Regis are definitely in the "future project" category. With that being said, the next 3way poll I post will likely include them. The slow Pokémon I've honestly been really avoiding in solo runs. I hate being slow! It forces me to think more. Ugh :P Of all of them I think that Golem and Aggron are the ones I'm most looking forward to playing. Less because of how they'll do and more because I think they're awesome and I've never used either. Parasect is definitely lumped into that slow category. That's fair enough too in Koga's gym. If I'm lacking a little XP I often grab an extra trainer in there. Arbok/Sandslash/Hypno give great XP. I think that you're right about that one. I'm not sure if I'd call my opinion of Bugs going in the "love" direction quite yet :P That just seems like such a fun idea to explore, and we've already seem them against each other. Venomoth seems pretty solid! I really need to get around to running it solo.. What a wild run you had with Parasect. When you said that you got through the R2 Champ reset-less my first thought was "what!?". But, you may have convinced me that when I run Paras again it needs to be against Blastoise. Because that Charizard is just too much. That's awesome though good job on another completed run! With that thing of all Pokémon :P That's fair! You can't just run the same style of run over and over without driving yourself around the bend. You need a little bit of variety mixed in for sure. Are you going to involve ALL of the Bugs like Scizor/Heracross/..other good Bugs
@@Eggsceptional I always get the feeling you have a hell of a time scripting all of these runs, the beasts being no eggception. thats fair enough with Entei, having that speed and the full IV's (well nearly full) was a game changer for it, Misty is a rough opponent that early into a run, I would of left her for after the SS Anne for the sake of a few levels and EV's if nothing else, there are some special EV's to be gained doing that. again thats fair, given the data you gained from the 1st runs, it makes sense to leave the natures alone. time to run these Pokemon multiple times is very short I guess, 6 runs in total for one video is a lot, I would test them myself but I lack the facilities, I don't think it would make a big difference overall time wise as you'd need to train more to make for that 10% drop in special, but I think there would of been less resets for the run, which is as we have said before is quite swag. Jolteon might make good use of it as it has a better physical set thanks to its TM's, the same as the rest of the eevee's but also gets some double kick and pin missile for extra coverage opposed to its special coverage which is essentially whatever HP you give it. it is fast enough naturally though that curse might not slow it down too much and allow it to use that physical move pool. and yeah agility is useless on it, unless you baton pass it of course. the regis will be great fun when the future gets here, I wonder how they will do in a poll, given how much we talked about them in the last stream, they might get some votes, but I think the legendary birds might win the next one. you will truly love both of them, golem is a go to rock type in Gen 1 and aggron is very much the Gen 3 equivilant, move becoming available after the 1st gym. I think the dual weakness of aggron will hurt the run more than the dual weaknesses of golem. golem is almost used to it in fire red if that makes sense, it adapted, aggron is still learning in comparison, plus that damn mankey again lol. I genuinely hate Koga's gym, it is good experience, but nearly every battle in there is rough, especially those hypnos, why so many psychic types in a poison gym, its madness to me. Koga is not the hardest gym leader as you can skip him for quite a while to train, but his gym is almost always a challenge, at least for my runs. I doubt you will ever love the bugs, I think parasect and shuckle have made it so that will never happen, but you seem to like them and enjoy the challenge of them more and more. seeing the 4 big bugs of Gen 1 and 2 all together in a single vid would be awesome, a bit of me wonders if any of the Gen 3 bugs could pair up in a similar way for a doubles as well, Ninjask and Shedinja maybe? Venomoth is rather solid, for your runs of it, I suggest speedy natures, that Aerodactyl and the big fire types of the champion will always be a threat, perhaps HP water just for them. resist the urge to use sleep all the time as well, without compound eyes it is an unreliable strat. I couldn't believe it did that as well, it was close, don't get me wrong, I still needed to tank a hit or 2, but its high physical defense served it well, I think if you do a 2nd run, look into EV training for its HP and special defense if you can, I went with a brave nature for it, I knew it would never out speed anything that it really needed to, so I leaned into it and gave it some attack, sassy nature might be better as it boosts special defense instead of attack. I am more proud of doing it before level 100, I didn't think THAT was possible. I have a few solos left to do, but just not bugs, my poison boys are up next for that but breaking it up with a few team runs 1st helps keep it fresh. in my 2nd bug run I will use more Gen 2 bugs. Scizor of course as its fire fire and heracross works for me instead of pinsir and I am thinking of breeding a yanma for the R2 to replace beedrill, I will keep parasect though, it has earned its place, I am not a fan of any of the other Gen 3 bugs to use them though and shuckle and fortress are emerald exclusive
@@jptheflipper3825 It's true but generally the SpA EVs on the SS Anne get left behind. I'm usually not ready to grind by then. Outspeeding Starmie by 1 point was beautiful. I was ready to use a Rare Candy too just to avoid the backtracking. It's true I really hope that I can get another 0 reset run soon. The swag is real :P And yes, I wish I could invest more time into refining the runs for every video but that just isn't in the cards at the moment. Someday maybe.. but not today! True enough. I was hoping that Jolteon would end up being similar to Aerodactyl where with that insane speed stat I could get away with a Curse or two without being punished too heavily. Hey, physical or special, I tend to prefer the one that has the best coverage. Or set up move :P I don't know. I feel like there's enough mystery surrounding the Regis to be compelling. We'll see! I likely won't hold another 3 way vote for a few weeks either way. I need to finish off the year and find where that reset button for my brain is. Ahh that damn Mankey. It'll be interesting to see for sure. I'm worried about Golem against the early Rival and Misty for sure. Then, approaching the late game I'm probably worried more about Aggron because of Bruno. We'll have to see though! Maybe I'll just race them to be sure. For how often Koga poses a problem I'd say someone in his gym poses one as well. I agree, the Sandslash/Arboks everywhere can throw down some pain, but those Hypnos are nasty. Especially the level 38 one with Psychic. Maybe that's something to explore then. I mean.. eventually. The best bugs of Gen 1/2/3 all showing down in VS matches. The dynamic would shift a lot I feel, with the Gen 3 Bugs being more suited to a team environment. Maybe? But yes, I'll likely never LOVE the Bugs, but I don't outright avoid them anymore! Yeah Venomoth will be one that will need some fine tuning. The more I play and the more little strategic bits that I can find through fights the easier every subsequent run gets. That's part of why I'm looking so forward to re-running Tauros after 1 year of making content. That's fair enough! It sounds like I just need to be a little more kind to myself in that run and it can go down without TOO much headache. .....he says not knowingly :P That's awesome! Keeping Parasect around in a team environment makes way more sense to me than P as a solo runner. Forretress as well, seems like a team addition, not a solo runner. But hey, eventually I'll run 'em all. The good, the bad, and the headachy.
I think Entei would be a lot better if it had HP and Special Attack swapped. Still giving it that physical attacking prowess. But also making it's fire type moves hit very hard. 90 base isn't too bad, but it's pretty meh for a legendary geared towards offense.
That would have been really nice to see a more "full offense" style Entei. We can dream right? I'm looking forward to re-eggsploring these in Gen 4 when I'm more familiar with it. Cheers!
I see at least 4 possibilities there for "budget" beasts that I can run in FireRed! At least until I get into that backporting sorcery.... Great suggestions thanks :)
35:39 he said paralysiseseseses 😂 37:31 he said cleverererer 😂😂 47:11 for the onixiseseseses 1:04:19 and 1:38:28 for the steelixeseseses 1:38:06 ooooo 69 nice
Solarbeam = 120 effective power (neural) Flamethrower = 95 * 1.5 (STAB) * 1.5 (Sun) / 2 (Resistance) = 106 effective power Close! But Solarbeam wins out slightly. If I were in Blaze range, mind you, Flamethower would have been dealing more. Thanks :)
Man I used to love Suicune. It used to be my favorite Pokémon. And then I played competitive and now I literally hate the thing I feel like. It's one of the worst most toxic design competitive pokemon whose whole purpose is just to win by having better stats than you and zero strategy😂
Hey now, at least in solo play Suicune wasn't much cheesier than the others! I can see how nasty it could be in competitive though. Suicune took hits so incredibly well. Thanks :)
What would I have done differently? Well, if we’re already cheating… I’d give Entei Eathquake because GameFreak clearly didn’t think the VOLCANO POKÉMON should probably know that move. …but these are the same people who didn’t think Zamazenta should know Body Press, soooooo…
That's fair enough :P I never cheat in the second runs so adding Earthquake, while fun, wouldn't give me much info for playthrough 2. Though I agree... If roaring makes a volcano erupt surely there's some seismic activity... Thanks :)
Aside from the potential for an early game Sleep wipe I really didn't feel like the Venusaur team would have made any significant impact in the late game. Only Heracross decided that. Thanks for your input!
@@Eggsceptional I agree, thank you for the great runs. Always watching and enjoying. The fire type was one of my favorites, so i voted at the end for the underdog.. even so i like all of them :)
Entei struggling the most I feel was much more a consequence of the game I was running. They definitely felt the most well synergized, just the most punished with the Fire typing in FireRed. Thanks!
Awesome video! It's insane all the effort you put into each of these videos while still pumping them out at a constant rate. Your doing God's work!
Thank you for your kind words! Working hard is really helped by the fact that I love doing it :)
Great video as always!! Can't believe how close it was in the end!!
Neither did I! I loved watching this one come together. Even if it was way too late at night :P Thanks!
It feels really bad that they made such a cool pokemon as entei bossted his image with a movie around him and then demolished his stats and movepool in game
Great video man keep up the good work
I feel like it's less that he's weak, but more weak as a solo runner in FireRed specifically. The Fire type gets super punished.
Thank you :) Plenty more to come!
My dude.. such effort. Thank you for this treat. Looking forward to seeing the dogs run like it's the last stretch of the Iditarod
Love it :D Thank you! I'm glad to hear that the work behind the scenes shows on screen :) Thanks!
Coming from scotts stream because you were sad this video didn't do as well and you thought it would. Ill watch it for you
Dogs rule!!
Thank you!! I really appreciate it :) I hope you enjoyed the runs!
You are becoming my favorite youtube channel, i appreciate the effort and time you put into your videos
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that my work behind the scenes shows on screen :) Cheers!
Love your content. You really put effort into those videos when doeing r1 and r2 elite 4 runs. Hope your channel grows fast and can reach your goals 😊
I've been working hard, and it's paying off. One day at a time, right? Thank you for your kind words :) Cheers!
Vulcan, now there's a nickname I'm quite fond of. It's what I named my Typhlosion back when I first played the original Silver on GBC, and likewise again in the Soul Silver. I've also run a Thor in those games, although it was an Ampharos instead.
My legendary beasts were named for the recurrent trio of Final Fantasy summons, Ifrit, Ramuh, and Shiva.
I enjoyed picking nicknames for these three! They were also a ton of fun to run. Vulcan fits Typhlosion very well. Thor for Amphy too :)
Ooohh I like the aeon names! I'll have to remember those for the future
I initially thought suicine would win. It is such a demon in competitive play due to its bulk and setup potentially and was so dangerous that ghost curse was actually used just to counter suicine and friends.
I did as well! I was surprised at how close this ended up being. I'm less familiar with the competitive scene but I know a lot of competitive players question the things I do in solo runs :P Suicune was without a doubt the most solid feeling to play. Thanks!
Amazing job and A LOT of work. You put so much effort, care and detail in your videos and it absolutely shows! Well done Eggsceptional! 🎉
Thank you!! This one ended up being a bit of a bigger project than I'd eggspected, but boy, was it fun :D
Long form video? Hell yeah!!! Happy holidays king
Extra long today! I hope you enjoy :) Happy holidays!
The amount of work put it this one was eggstraordinary. Amazing content as always!
I'm happy to put in the hard work :) I had a lot to say about these. Thanks!
Just because Eusine & Suicune are such an amazing sync pair in Pokemon Masters EX and it's great fun to spam infinite flinching Surfs on everything with them, I guess Suicune is my favorite legendary beast. (Also it's rai-koh)
Ahh did I get the pronunciation wrong there? *Googles* yep :P My bad! I'll have to be sure to remember that the next time Raikou comes up. Thanks :)
That was awesome! I was hoping at the end that Entei would pull through because he's my favorite beast! Even though I figured he would be last. Although I'm very happy how competitive this was!
I hope I still did Entei proud for you! This one was crazy fun. Thank you :)
@@Eggsceptional Entei had a great run! I thought the other two would be more ahead so I'm very happy! At first I thought maybe HP Rock could've been a good idea to solve Lance and take advantage of Entei's solid attack stat, but then I saw the work HP Grass put in and how it synergized better with that set. Very excellent 👌
@@d.a.d.-ohgosh I had considered going with Rock and leaning into the physical side more with Entei. I decided against it because of Intimidate from Gyarados and Calm Mind. Set up it just too good!
@@Eggsceptional I totally agree. Intimidate in the Gen 1 remakes is so awful for physical attackers!
@@d.a.d.-ohgosh It makes me think about using moves like Haze which as a kid I'd never once considered :P But I don't know why there isn't an equivalent SpA version!
Greate video dude. Thoroughly enjoyed ir
Thank you! I had a lot of fun putting this one together, even if I became a complete work gremlin for 4 days straight to make it :P
What an epic race that was. I wasn't sure on who to bet,but I knew that Suicune could be the winner because of its typing and bulk. But in solo runs that's not the most important thing, speed and great offensive stat with a set up move can sure produce a lot of good results.🤔
But at least I had the chance to see Entei try out it's best. Entei is my favorite out of the three ever since I watched the 3th pokemon movie at home as a kid. 😊
Even though all there had to result to use hidden power ,and substitute they all had thier fair share of struggle in some certain of their respective runs. Raikou was having a slow run in the early game due to Brock ,while Suicune had rough mid game ,while Entei was struggling with the rest.
I can't thank you enough for the treat.😁
It's such a hard thing to predict sometimes! I thought for sure Suicune had this, but playing them it turns out that Raikou's stats really make a different. Plus, Thunderbolt was so darn strong ALL the time :P
Poor Entei struggled all game long in that first run. The second run definitely felt like redemption for it. Entei is the one that looks the most huggable to me :P
It's my pleasure! Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional Same here. I thought that the water typing and Suicune's defensive bulk will be enough to carry it out throughout the run. I guess that I was comparing Firered to pokemon yellow too much 😄. In gen 1 usually fire and electric types are having a hard time. But I guess the Raikou was reminding us that having great stats and having hp with a type that fits the pokemon,can in fact make the difference sometimes.
And I can't argue with that, Entei seems to be fluffier than the other two.☺️
@@bateltheassistant I felt the same way initially! The Water type is just so good, and Suicune was 100% the most solid feeling to play. I kept complaining about the Fire type, but you're right Electric suffers a lot too. Raikou was just too strong :P
Doesn't he though? Ahhh it feels like he'd be very wild animal like though. Super fluffy and touchable looking, but as you approach a low growl starts emanating from Entei :P
Love seeing these vids but I think you should use HP ice on Vulcan. Great work!
Which HP to use was a really tough choice to make! Thank you :)
Pokemon Fire Red will always have a special place in my heart as the first Pokemon game I've ever played but holy shit are the available moves for the Pokemon bad and one dimensional. Not to mention half the Pokemon in fire Red are using non STAB moves or using special moves with stat distributions for a physical set. Love the playthrough though!
It felt super weird having to supplement a legendary learn set but hey, them's the breaks. I'm looking forward to re-eggsploring this trio in Gen 4 when I'm more comfortable playing SoulSilver with more options. Thank you!! :)
Before watching , i'm just gonna assume suicune wins this one, water STAB+ice coverage should go a long way.
That was my initial assumption as well! I hope you enjoy watching :)
Eggcellent video! Love the sub strats ive never used those kinda stuff stall and set up i mean, just burte force for the most part!
Thank you! As a kid, and honestly until I started making videos for the channel I was right there with you. In the interest of real time completion though I find that setting up makes everything faster. Thank you! :)
i didnt pay 100% attention, but was sub against heracross the right choice for entei?
i probably missremember some mechanic here, isnt it that the sub breaks after it receives as much damage as the pokemon lost to use it? so instead of wastin time on it, you could calm mind to power up, no? or has the sub more health than what you use to set it up?
Rock Tomb was a range to knock out the decoy. So sometimes it would break, sometimes it wouldn't. I needed my speed intact for the rest of the battle so it ended up being a "cross your fingers and hope" type of situation. If I were to do it again I'd put more effort into Entei's Defense to not have that problem again.
Ok, but the most important question is Can I pet that dog!!!
Also good idea to take a break during that first entei run. So many people don't recognize when they need to just stop and walk away from a problem for a little bit.
Right?? I want to good Entei the biggest cuddle.
I've been getting better about recognizing when it's time to walk away. Better.. I still have room to grow 😅 Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional he looks like he'd be so soft to hug!
It's a hard skill to learn. Good on you for putting in the work to learn it! I'm still learning too.
@@kitsunekun2345 Every one of us has something we're working on right? Be a little bit better every day :)
@@Eggsceptional Richtig!
Comment for the algorithm!! Also, Regi trio in the future?
I want to see this
The Regis have been being discussed for a while. They all start with Explosion and nothing else until level 9! I think we've come up with a clever way of making it work though :) Be patient with me! The list is long...
@@Eggsceptional take your time! And be sure to take some time for yourself! I appreciate all the content you've been making for us, Mr Eggman! Happy Holidays!
@@RobKni76 It's my genuine pleasure :) I'm working myself hard right now so I can have a week off at least at the end of the month. I need to spend some time with family :) Happy Holidays to you as well!
Oak catching the beasts wirh a single pokeball is nice
Oak's had his GameShark in for almost a quarter century if we include Red/Blue! Thanks :)
Raiko had a type advantage with charizard. Against venasaur it would have struggled. Great run though and glad suicune pulled through
Aside from an early reset or two against Rival 2 or 3's Sleep Powder I really didn't feel like the Venusaur team would have made a significant impact. Venusaur is less threatening to Raikou than Exeggcutor was I think! Thanks for your input :)
The race was a lot closer than I eggspected. What an intense race! Entei almost had it, but bad rng was too costly. What a nailbiter
I feel like if you broke down the runs enough all of them had plenty of opportunities to make time back. I loved how close this ended up being :D Thank you!
@@Eggsceptional I wonder if the RNG lined up right for them every time would it still be that close a race? I kind of thought Raikou, cool as it is, would have a hard boiled time with this. And suicune would have it over easy
@@ShukakuTheCrazy1 Love the puns :) I feel like with perfect RNG and eggsecution from me Raikou would end up on top. Needing so few set up turns in the league poses a lot less risk, and well less turns, so less time. But Suicune was definitely the most solid to play. It's another video where I'm leaving it with almost as many questions as I answered :P
@@Eggsceptional yeah I have a deep love of puns and word play. Too many dad jokes. I tend to... Crack myself up! Ha!
@@ShukakuTheCrazy1 The yolks are strong :D You know steak puns are a rare medium well done.
Going to predict that Suicune will be the most consistent and fastest. Due to the water/ice coverage being neutral vs everything bar other water types (hidden power?) And excellent bulk and support moves, I am confident in my prediction!
I was right there with you initially! I hope you enjoyed the results. This was a really close one! Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional Yes! I was floored at the ground Entei made up. I thought Raikou would have more resets and lose time due to the difference in bulk and the common EQ in the late game.
@@Necrostevo Honestly I was in the same boat but Raikou's ability to hit hard without much set up, and with good type line ups most of the time (LOVE STAB Thunderbolt).. Reflect to supplement Def. Raikou was solid. I was so happy with Entei's second run :) Thanks!
For the graphic at the end consider using a darker colored time bar and more vibrant individual Pokémon bars. Though I do think this may have a similar issue to the other one in that when it fills up it’s going to get a little messy.
Hmm I'll try playing with it a bit more. I was thinking about vertical stripes of sprites with multicoloured bars then extending horizontally and down. It may look more organized? Ooph. It already looks a little messy :P Thanks for your input!
@@Eggsceptional I’d honestly say the sprites without the box and having them overlap with the faster ones on top might be the way to go.
@@Dark-Aclyss Hmm elminating the boxes may well eliminate the clutter. I'll give it a shot! The aspect ratio was weird on it too in this video. I stretched it a bit because I had an "F" tier at the end that I didn't end up liking so I may have cheated and stretched it :P Many improvements needed.
I get choosing one of each starter, and it doesn't really bother me, but Raikou does admittedly have a huge advantage. Positive matchup into charizard and gyarados, and crunch for exeggutor. Venusaur would have been much more difficult.
I honestly don't feel like Venusaur would have made much of a difference. Maybe a sleep powder loss or two in the early game, but by the late game Raikou was one shotting everything anyway. Thanks for your input!
@@Eggsceptional yeah, I think I commented that before I realized the beasts had calm mind in gen 3. I assumed it was later
@@spencerbrummett6712 That's fair! If not for the TM from Sabrina I would have had to wait until 81 for Calm Mind. That would have changed things a LOT.
No idea what to expect going in. But I'm pulling for Suicune. I still remember soft- resetting for...a while looking for a Shiny Suicine when playing as a kid. For some reason I always thought it was the coolest looking of this trio.
Suicune has an amazing sprite! My favourite of the trio is Raikou I think it's spot on. I hope I did Suicune proud for you :) Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional I'd certainly say so! Some great moments throughout the run and a surprisingly close finish for all three of these Pokemon. No disappointment on this one.
@@Flaris I loved how close this one was. Thank you :)
Nice haiku 🤓
Thanks! This was the first in a video. I just wasn't feeling the alliteration in that moment :)
Awesome run with the legendary doggos. lets do some recap and maybe feedback after looking through both run 1 n 2.
Raikou: I am not sure why the rival picked charmander instead of bulbasaur line. I have a feeling the grass starter will be much harder for raikou for the earlygame just due to rival 2. Also, with this change, likely u will lean towards HP Ice more.
Suicune: No comment. It will likely be the way I would play. :)
Entei: Glad u discovered the sunny day strategy to power up your stab for Koga, for Entei HP-wise, I personally think there is only 3 contending HP, Ice/Grass and electric. All have their merits and demerits so there is no true answer to this, I could see HP electric being useful but it will make giovanni 3 a lot harder, so likely HP grass is the best option if talking just rival-wise, Lance-2 will be annoying but from your video it seems to work well enough for a competitive time. Also if u need a early solarbeam in the future for run 1 without HP grass or u just want to get Blaine done early, do remember once u get koga's badge, u can actually surf down by grabbing Eevee in Celadon and use a water stone to get a Vaporeon to go down early, just that 2.1k $$ for the water stone will need to be factored in.
Last but not least, going with the trend of a little more unconventional playthrough, is it possible to see a run of yours doing a FR/LG minimum battles challenge with the R2 E4 in mind?Will like to see what your approach would be given the limited resources u will have for the entire game.
Raikou: I thought about it a bit and didn't feel that the Bulbasaur line would have made a significant impact on the run overall. HP Water would still have been my choice as Venusaur is less threatening than Exeggcutor was in the league :P Early game though you are correct! Some back Sleep Powder resets would have likely been inevitable.
Suicune: Thank you :) This one felt the most intuitive.
Entei: Ooph, the troublesome one. Thank you for the suggestion with Eevee! That has never occured to me before that's brilliant! That'll broaden my strategy so I can face Blaine early more comfortably in every future run. That's so great :D
Hmmm a minimum battles run in FR would be a tough one. I don't think I'd do that one for any kind of competitive time, or even optimize because I'd have to save in front of every spinner. It'd be a fun idea to eggsplore for sure! Thank you for all of your input!! Cheers :)
@@Eggsceptional Well, HP water does solve bruno's steelix well but given a rerun, HP ice just works so much better due to boltbeam coverage will be neutral, and against t-tar, HP water is still weaker than thunderbolt just due to STAB bonuses, a nice thing to note is with lv 75, u guaranteed up to 90+ % of OKO t-tar with +2 T-Bolt with the current stat u have for raikou and a gd chance to OKO venusaur if u went with the grass starter for the rival, so a third optimized run u may wanna consider that, at lv 75, a +2 HP ice also does decently against bruno steelix by having a gd chance to OKO it as well, so overall I feel that HP Ice solves more issue than HP water, especially in the lategame, but given damage calcs are involved, it may make the run too mathematical XD
Looking forward to the not a rat rodent race coming not sure when. I am gonna vote for best furboi furret, but I have a gd feeling linoone gonna take home the crown. :) But still, lets try to make gd of raticate to make youngster Joey proud of raising the best raticate he could ever imagine
@@shootingstardust97 Hey I'm genuinely convinced that math is a superpower. I'm really trying to be better at adding a more precise way to route second playthroughs. I want to build an HP Picker for instance that does these calcs for me in Excel :P Think today so I don't have to tomorrow! But yes, HP and Natures are something that I still struggle with sometimes. I appreciate your input :)
I don't know.. Ratticate has Guts and STAB Facade in Round 2. That little fella is going to be hitting hard. I'm hoping to get that video produced in the next month or two. The 3ways are just such a titanic effort to put together in a week. Cheers!
Entei has always been my favorite
I just want to give him a hug. He looks so cozy!
I’m glad raikou won! It’s always been my fave of the 3
What a race it was too. Raikou was so fun to play :) Thanks!
Hey eggsceptional, let me tell you, elite four r2 really poses a threat even to legendaries! But I had bet Suicune would be the winner with the final improvements, that got me! Raikou being the winner really was a surprise... But let me tell you what I think. The legendary beasts learnsets, aside from TMS or HMS, aren't really that good. They should learn something really powerfull, exclusive to them. In my opinion there will never be a pokemon which would be a match for Kyogre or Groudon. Kyogre simply wrecked FireRed! By the way have you already done Lugia vs ho-oh? These two would be really good I guess. This race really fun! Thank you eggsceptional! Eggsceptional as always! You too take care!
No kidding the R2 league is tough! I felt the same way initially, that Suicune would win. Raikou just did better today. I feel like with Hidden Power evening things out the runs would likely bounce around each other with completion times. In later gens the beasts get way more coverage! I don't know about Kyogre not being beaten though... Today's video might have something to say about that ;) I did look at Lugia VS Ho-oh. It'll be awful! Neither learn an attacking move until level 22 :) I appreciate it. Thank you!
Eggscentionaaaaaal, Scott's Thoughts would like a word with yoooooou :P
Two thoughts:
1) Snap reaction - oh man what did I do now?
2) Scott and I have connected in the past! He knows how to find me :P
He is, after all, the one that inspired me to finally take a shot at this RUclips thing!
@@Eggsceptional it was all meant humorously, I just thought it was darn coincidental that you both released videos on the same set of Pokemon so close together :P
@@teriddax3692 It's happened before too, totally by accident! I released my Magnemite video like 3 days after Jrose11 did his :P I love when these happy little coincidences happen!
Hey Eggsceptional, just watched Scott‘s and your stream of FireRed the other day and really kiked your mood. Guess ‚m here now, and where better to start than with the 3 Legendary Beasts? :)
I appreciate that! I try to be really positive and friendly in my content. Spreading some love while appreciating such an incredible game is all that matters :D
Raikou is my favourite, doesn’t need a movie neither a game to climb to my podium
Raikou was the one I was most eggscited to play. What a wicked cool Pokémon! Thanks :)
Hadn’t finished the video yet, Can’t believe Raikou won!!! Thank you for bringing this spectacular video!
@@eduardosalguero8506 Thanks for watching :) I couldn't believe how close it was!
Would STAB surf/Flamethrower have more effective power than super effective bite?
142 vs 120
Surf: 95 x STAB: 1.5 = 142.5 = 142 effective power.
Bite: 60 x SE: 2 = 120 effective power.
Wild right?
I remember as a kid playing gold not knowing that the legendary beasts would just be randomly available on the map and I had Raikou appear as early as the route south of goldenrod and it basically KOed my quilava and I had no other Pokémon.
Upon googling how early you can encounter them it’s right after the burned tower, so I must have gone back to goldenrod to grind levels in the grass.
I thought their first action was always to run away or Roar you out of the battle though?
@@gaminggoddess85 you’re totally right I must be misremembering
This may be some sort of Mandela effect, but I swear I can remember something similar. I think they're incredibly likely to Roar/run, but I could swear I've been smacked by one of the roamers in the past too. These are shaky, 20+ year old memories mind you :D
Raikou had always been my favorite. Probably due to the tiger design. It's a shame its movepool is lacking that extra oomf! I think nasty plot would help it immensely, but I don't think that move existed in gen 3.
No Nasty Plot in Gen 3 I'm afraid no. I'm really looking forward to re-eggsploring this trio in Gen 4 with a few more options available. Raikou has always been my favourite as well. The design is absolutely gorgeous. Aggressive, yet I still just want to give it a hug :)
@@Eggsceptional ye, absolutely gorgeous!
In gen 4, it gets access to Discharge by level up, so that makes it so much better w/o dipping into T-bolt or Thunder.
@CasualVideoGamer Discharge would have been a great addition. I hear it even gets Scald in later gens. THAT would be awesome!
@@Eggsceptional Scald, Discharge/Tbolt, and Calm Mind with maybe Crunch or Shadow Ball would be an excellent move pool I think. At least the first three, not sure about that fourth move slot.
@@CasualVideoGamer Hmm Crunch may fall off a bit in Gen 4 since it isn't special anymore. It hurt me so much to not take it in the second playthrough. I just look at Raikou's Gen 4 moves, and though Scald isn't on there I see some other fun options. Even in the event moves it can learn Aura Sphere! That would be fun....
One thing I’d just like to bring up to you, Eggceptional, is I noticed when Raikou was facing the champion, in your team layout, you spelled it, “Exeggcutor.” Also, “Misdreavous,” for Agatha. Just something to maybe be mindful of for future videos!!
You know, I've been made aware of the Misdreavous before, but never the Exeggutor! I could have sworn it had that "C". If you happen to find the 3rd "n" in Giovanni as well, all three are now on the list of fixes. Thank you for pointing it out! I have some rebuilding to do in early 2024 :)
If Entei is going for special moves, I would consider HP Ice first.
Definitely! HP Ice is always a solid choice, especially when you consider battles like Lance. Cheers :)
Is there any chance you would make a video that shows how you set up the games? As in how you edit who the starter is going to be and how to change EVs and IVs?
I can definitely scratch that down for a future project! Be patient with me please - that list is long :) Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional Awesome! And no problem I love your videos so everything you put out before will keep me hooked!
@@zeebalex4762 That's great to hear thank you :D I appreciate it.
Imma assume suicune but I really want thunder boi to win! This gonna be exciting!
I hope you enjoyed the ending :D Thanks!
That was an intense race and I loved every second of it! I had a feeling Raikou would win in the 2nd run with Hidden Power coverage though I figured it would be HP Ice but that's just my online battle mind talking, HP water was definitely the better option, ngl I was kinda expecting Entei to run a physical set with Return, HP Rock, Flamethrower for coverage/hitting lower Sp.def Pokémon and maybe Rest or Sub but I guess without a way to setup it would've been dang near impossible.
My favorite of the 3 beasts is Raikou mostly because my brother used Suicune a lot and my sister used Entei but also because it was the first of the 3 I caught in GSC and electric types are my 2nd favorite type in the series.
Also whenever you face the Round 2 Venusaur champion team it always feels like you're battling me because 5 of those Pokémon are ones I use quite often in my runs (swap out Ttar for Nidoking and it's basically my LeafGreen team as a kid)
I'm not sure about how impossible Entei would have been if I'd geared him more physically. In the interest of speed though I felt that SpA and Calm Mind were the answer. I maybe could have tested more extensively with HP Rock that's for sure. 115 base Atk is solid by itself.
I absolutely love Raikou. It has such a killer design! That's a really cool thing with your childhood team. Does it bring you back at all seeing me battle him every week? That double Intimidate is so nasty!
@@Eggsceptional True 115 atk stat is nothing to scoff at and maybe with enough bulk it could be a solid run with sub but yeah in terms with keeping up with the other two I don't think it would work. Yeah it does bring back memories when I see the Venusaur team, my brother and my friend Yin would complain about the double intimidate whenever we battled since a lot of their favorite Pokémon were physical attackers, so sometimes I would swap out Arcanine with Aerodactyl or swap out Gyarados with Lapras (though Yin would have a lot of bad luck whenever I would use Larpas since I always got a freeze in every battle we had hehe)
@@lumineinfinitussilverkagat8094 There was always that one friend that hit Freezes without fail :P That's so fun! If they didn't like your Intimidates so much they should have cheesed you with Substitute ;) Nah, as far as kid me was concerned if it didn't do damage it wasn't a good move. It's great having those memories!
I agree though, without the Sub/Calm Mind strats I'm not convinced Entei would have kept up with the others.
@@Eggsceptional I don't know why but it was only when me and him battled that the freeze would happen, that and there was one battle where I used one flash as a misclick (I forgot to delete it from my Alakazam) and Yin's Charizard missed four moves in a row. I know my sister used a lot of status and defensive moves but she didn't battle as much as we did, she preferred to complete the pokedex and do all the side content in the games like contests.
as with Entei and it's gen 3 moveset I think you made the right call with sub and calm mind. That might as also be the play to go with in HGSS since I don't see much improvement with it's physical movepool outside of the event Entei who got Flare Blitz, Howl, and Extremespeed
actually that's a question to ask, in gen 4 would you consider using event versions of Pokemon or add in the event moves if you think it will help them or would you just use a base version of the Pokemon to keep it fair?
I really want Thor to perform eggceptionally, however I know electric types struggle in solo challenges.
I hope you enjoyed the results!! I was worried about the Electric typing but Raikou was a beast! Litetally! Thanks :)
eggcellent, truly eggcellent and a most interesting run. I enjoyed it immensely. I see what you meant when you said the Venonat line caused you trouble, I almost couldn't believe that. I'd maintain that Muk caused you the most problems for all 3 of them.
ok the 1st run.more than a little rough in places especially the league, your moveset limitations seemed to be the biggest issue for all 3 of them but especially Entei and not just that, its stats are not kind as is the case with a few fire types. did you for either of the runs consider leaning into the physical side for it. I know the prospect to boost with calm mind and have STAB flamethrower is most attractive to you, but surely a decent physical set would of done it some good especially with better access to Attack EV's opposed special attack EV's would help make up for this lack of boost and already higher attacking stat. I am surprised the closeness of raikou and suicine, I would of thought raikou would of suffered much more in this run, fire red is not kind to electric types after all, but I guess thats the power of bite and crunch for coverage.
as for the 2nd I have great interesting in your choice of HP more than anything as for the 2nd run you had clearly worked out most of what you needed to in order to streamline the run and improve the performance of all 3, even entei, but again the moveset is the issue and HP seemed to solve a lot of that plus sub strats of course. water made sense for raikou as much as electric made sense suicune. the 2 types compliment each other, a combo of ice, electric and water is very handy for any run. I am surprised you didn't go with some rain dance strats with thunder and HP water for raikou, it would of hit good and hard and just as importantly accurate, but I guess its a moveslot taken and you need to keep calm mind and sub. entei was interesting to see, grass is handy but only to a certain point, ice or electric might of been better but considering how well your 2nd run and R2 went, its hard to be certain of that. a touch of testing maybe. do you ever use save states and altering your IV's for HP to test for particularly tricky or experimental runs?
overall I am very impressed with all three of them, I would of though the lack of defensive stats for 2 of them and lack of attack for the other would of held them all back a little, legendaries like these are good, but not great after all, but they have done superbly. I'm inclined to say, and this a prediction for the future run on your list, that the Gen 1 Eeveelutions will perform in a very similar way as the beasts are very much upgrades on the Eeveelutions, flareon, my boi sadly in last and a close match between jolteon and vaporeon. I base this on the evaluations of False Swipe Gaming on the beasts and the eeveelutions and think it will go that way.
some good news, I have cleared the gyms with Parasect with no additional resets, I got lucky, a got roared by Blaine, this reset the attack drop from intimidate so I could get the KO on the Arcaine which I somehow outsped. it is level 80 now and I fear the league might be ok, but the R2 may be unpleasant
It's true, of the Poison types Muk was the MOST troublesome. But that Venonat... I did consider leaning into the physical side more with Entei but I was so worried about the Intimidate from Gyarados hurting the damage output too much. I suppose I could have tested it a little more extensively. Set up is just so effective, but yeah it's not always fastest. The closeness of all three in this race, the way they bounced around in the first playthroughs. I loved watching this one come together.
Water and Electric do compliment each other beautifully, and yeah generally mixed with Ice is pretty much perfection for this game. I actually played Raikou (I'm pretty sure) and the problems that I had with Entei's set up of Sunny Day, and just Entei in general I think really discouraged me from anything that was remotely similar. I had thought about Thunder/Rain Dance, but Reflect was so valuable. With PKHeX I have the ability to just cheat around so I don't use any save states while running. I test using a save file in front of R1 and in front of R2 because it's so easy to just swap out the Pokémon, and boom ready to go. I have the inventory stacked with items too for convenience.
I'm not sure when I'll get to the Eeveelutions but I'm very excited for them. I haven't looked at them extensively but I'm hoping they have a LITTLE bit more coverage, at least in egg move options. Anything more than 2 types.
The Roar from Blaine can be such a pain! That's awesome to hear that your Parasect is having so much success. I can't remember how my Paras run went exactly I may have blocked it out. But level 80 for Round 1 sounds appropriate. R2 is disgusting :P
That's a pretty wild base defense but I totally forgot about how heavy the Regis are and how much that Mankey is actually going to hurt because we'll be like.. level 16? Either way, with my production process slowly getting more streamlined I'm hoping I can bring more VS videos, especially more 3ways than once every 5-6 months.
I feel like the any similar run like that - Steelix, Aggron, Golem, Rhydon. Any of them with low speeds and common weaknesses will have a guaranteed number of hail mary moments that need to be routed in. Quick Claws/Iron Tail hits or die.
I really don't like the idea of random IVs because it's harder to extract meaning from the results for the second playthrough. The Parasect hatred is all in good fun I hope you know :P Yeah there were a few coins added to the swear jar on that last one. I was all fired up by the end of the stream! That's a fair point too about all having a lot to learn. That shortcut in Koga's gym absolutely rocked my world for example. I love learning new things!
A few people have requested old VS pairs going through as doubles pairs but that kind of sparked another idea in me. If, after a little while of course, we can dial in the format I'd love running Scyther/Pinsir VS Scizor/Heracross and expand the VS format as well. Those would be a lot of fun, but a huge amount of effort I feel. Probably the same amount as a solo 3way VS? Eh. I don't know.
Below level 80 is pretty respectable for sure! That's including Round 2? I'm pretty impressed by Venomoth. And yes, see above for Parasect praise. I'm all caught up on it again!
@@Eggsceptional the mono poison types (and quite a few of the others for that matter) can be rough to run, but are always oddly rough opponents, Muk is a special pain, I think many forget that it special defense and HP are massive and can boost with acid armor and add in minimize and you got a problem, straight in with a round move is the best way with it. ah yes the intimidating water onix, always a problem, the fact that Lance leads with it is the most trolly thing in all of Gen 3, an instant attack drop with no choice in the matter (except a select few you'll love running of course). testing is always a good plan for runs, although you got to have time for it and I think its save to say you've been busy recently. and yes the closeness of the 3 at the end of the 2nd run was a big surprise, I though entie would be a lot further behind, but you did good with it and all of them.
I think Entei and Raikou had the most issues with set up, for all the speed and power they both have, they are very frail especially compared to suicune, reflect was a good call overall, I think entei should of had it as well, rock and ground are the bane of it after all. calm mind is good for special, but what good is that when the physical is like a sheet of glass. did you consider looking into having a nature for plus defense for either of them, suicune is few enough as its pure special attack and bulky already, but the others need of a little bulk make it worth trying.
I love the Eeveelutions, in fire red they run in very interesting ways. Vaporeon is like suicune junior and almost identical moveset except no bubblebeam or calm mind, but acid armor is good. Jolteon is fast but frail as you can imagine but has the best coverage as it gets double kick and pin missile (better than nothing I assure you) although I don't think it needs agility on its moveset base 130 is enough. flareon is the odd one, its base 130 attack means shadow ball, dig, iron tail, all the normal moves, are gonna hit hard and base 90 special attack isn't bad for flamethrower. I can't comment on espeon and umbreon as I have never owned one in Gen 3. I don't need to guess you egg moves for all of them as curse is an option and we both know you love your set up, flareon and jolteon might make best use of it because of the movepools and stat spreads.
you might need to take some optional battles for the sake of bulk with all of them for the sake of that mankey alone, regirock might not need it as much, registeel has base 150 for defense and special defense so might be ok but I wouldn't risk it, but regice will need the bulk most, all 3 get curse so boosting its defense is an option at least. I guess they are a long way off and you have time to think them through a little.
the big rock and steels all are rather similar in terms of stats, movesets and weaknesses and will run in a similar manner. I believe Golem might get the win though, despite the dual water and grass weaknesses, it is a reliable runner. it always feels a touch faster than the others and I think i has the better special defense, add in STAB rollout and earthquake is monstrous for any run, add in defense curl and brick break and you got a rock monster. Steelix I think would a close 2nd, it has less crippling weaknesses and a rather good moveset and STAB and I believe if you do a VS it has access to curse, I need to look into that though. Aggron and rhydon is harder to call, appropriate as they are thematically similar, but both will suffer in similar ways.
you may hate Parasect a little more after I tell you my results with it. but I know its all good fun. and fair enough with the random IV's, they might be awful or perfect, thats the nature of the game, but would yield some weird results and some strange HP options of course. I like little things like that with Kogas gym, I wonder how many more there might be? I rarely need to use it though, with gyms, I take on all trainers in there, once the gym leader is beat, you can't battle them and that is wasted experience, the levels might be needed later.
an interesting prospect and I think worth looking into, I am glad its bot just me thinking of the old VS remade into doubles and I see my love of the bugs is rubbing off on you, those big bugs will be very interesting to see run like that, but that is a big big ask to do all 4 of them as a VS in doubles, I'd say more work than the 3 way VS.
the Venomoth got through the R1 at 75-78, I use a rare candy or 2 for damage rounding against Lance and the champion of course, but the R2 was 83-85, a little lower than the butterfrees, but still the overall winner, I still would of loved dream eater or even shadow ball for it.
I have finished Parasect, R1 was smooth, Lorelei and Bruno were fine, but Agatha and Lance were harder and caused a few resets, but we eggspected that. the champion caused half a dozen but thats because of Arcanine, its flamethrowers KO'd everytime. I did this at 85-88 with a moveset of giga drain, dig, HP rock (power between 65 and 70) and aerial ace. R2 was a lot harder as you can imagine, a few resets on Lorelei because of ice beams and sleep ending too soon. I had switched to pure physical for R2 and had spore and SD with Aerial Ace and I rotated dig and HP rock depending on the opponent. no need to talk about Bruno no no. Agatha was an evil witch, the whole team out speeds and status ruined Parasect so many times, confusion with full attack set up is evil. most of my resets in the R2 are because of her, I relied on a lum berry and sleep lasting long enough for set up there. Lance wasn't as bad as you'd think, Parasect, thanks to how the EV's of fire red spread and some decent IV's as a massive defense and tanked aerial aces and wing attacks from the dragonites and aerodactyl, very handy, but it fell a few times to flamethrowers again, it has almost no special defense and even neutral or non STAB special attacks can KO. again more resets here but not as many as Agatha. now you're not going to believe this, but I got no resets on the champion. I somehow speed tied the heracross, got it to speed and set up completely and KO'd it and the tyranitar, blastoise came next and set up rain dance so sandstorm was gone and Arcanines overheat was weakened in the rain (but still missed) alakazam just tried to set up calm mind and the final egg fell to aerial ace. I did it with maybe 50 resets overall and level 95-98 (leveled up to 99 on the last Pokemon) I shall not brag, I got lucky in a lot of places, but I'd like to think I have proved Parasect can do it
that is the end of the solo bug runs for me, now it is time for the bug team, again on leaf green, I will do a full Gen 1 bug team (I will trade over a scyther once I have a few badges so it will obey), I may do a 2nd run on fire red using a few Gen 2 bugs after and I have a few other runs planned before moving to Hoenn for a while
@@jptheflipper3825 Thank you! It was honestly when Entei's speed just lined up perfectly for and earlier Misty with the 31 IV run that I starting to feel REALLY good about the Entei run. It was a wild race to script :D
I did consider a +Def nature with Raikou, not with Entei, though with how that one turned out I almost should have. I felt that like given the results in the first run and how many ranges I just BARELY missed I needed to stick with Modest. I wish I could put the time into doing like.. 3-5 runs with these videos to really dial in each one. But yeah.. no time for that.
Depending on what I can do with Jolteon going with Curse may not be the way. I just haven't looked into them enough. But yeah. base 130 speed AND agility? No way :P I'm looking forward to running them. I'm thinking maybe in the early months of 2024 I'll get to them? They've been on my mind a long time.
The Regis are definitely in the "future project" category. With that being said, the next 3way poll I post will likely include them.
The slow Pokémon I've honestly been really avoiding in solo runs. I hate being slow! It forces me to think more. Ugh :P Of all of them I think that Golem and Aggron are the ones I'm most looking forward to playing. Less because of how they'll do and more because I think they're awesome and I've never used either. Parasect is definitely lumped into that slow category. That's fair enough too in Koga's gym. If I'm lacking a little XP I often grab an extra trainer in there. Arbok/Sandslash/Hypno give great XP.
I think that you're right about that one. I'm not sure if I'd call my opinion of Bugs going in the "love" direction quite yet :P That just seems like such a fun idea to explore, and we've already seem them against each other.
Venomoth seems pretty solid! I really need to get around to running it solo..
What a wild run you had with Parasect. When you said that you got through the R2 Champ reset-less my first thought was "what!?". But, you may have convinced me that when I run Paras again it needs to be against Blastoise. Because that Charizard is just too much. That's awesome though good job on another completed run! With that thing of all Pokémon :P
That's fair! You can't just run the same style of run over and over without driving yourself around the bend. You need a little bit of variety mixed in for sure. Are you going to involve ALL of the Bugs like Scizor/Heracross/..other good Bugs
@@Eggsceptional I always get the feeling you have a hell of a time scripting all of these runs, the beasts being no eggception. thats fair enough with Entei, having that speed and the full IV's (well nearly full) was a game changer for it, Misty is a rough opponent that early into a run, I would of left her for after the SS Anne for the sake of a few levels and EV's if nothing else, there are some special EV's to be gained doing that.
again thats fair, given the data you gained from the 1st runs, it makes sense to leave the natures alone. time to run these Pokemon multiple times is very short I guess, 6 runs in total for one video is a lot, I would test them myself but I lack the facilities, I don't think it would make a big difference overall time wise as you'd need to train more to make for that 10% drop in special, but I think there would of been less resets for the run, which is as we have said before is quite swag.
Jolteon might make good use of it as it has a better physical set thanks to its TM's, the same as the rest of the eevee's but also gets some double kick and pin missile for extra coverage opposed to its special coverage which is essentially whatever HP you give it. it is fast enough naturally though that curse might not slow it down too much and allow it to use that physical move pool. and yeah agility is useless on it, unless you baton pass it of course.
the regis will be great fun when the future gets here, I wonder how they will do in a poll, given how much we talked about them in the last stream, they might get some votes, but I think the legendary birds might win the next one.
you will truly love both of them, golem is a go to rock type in Gen 1 and aggron is very much the Gen 3 equivilant, move becoming available after the 1st gym. I think the dual weakness of aggron will hurt the run more than the dual weaknesses of golem. golem is almost used to it in fire red if that makes sense, it adapted, aggron is still learning in comparison, plus that damn mankey again lol.
I genuinely hate Koga's gym, it is good experience, but nearly every battle in there is rough, especially those hypnos, why so many psychic types in a poison gym, its madness to me. Koga is not the hardest gym leader as you can skip him for quite a while to train, but his gym is almost always a challenge, at least for my runs.
I doubt you will ever love the bugs, I think parasect and shuckle have made it so that will never happen, but you seem to like them and enjoy the challenge of them more and more. seeing the 4 big bugs of Gen 1 and 2 all together in a single vid would be awesome, a bit of me wonders if any of the Gen 3 bugs could pair up in a similar way for a doubles as well, Ninjask and Shedinja maybe?
Venomoth is rather solid, for your runs of it, I suggest speedy natures, that Aerodactyl and the big fire types of the champion will always be a threat, perhaps HP water just for them. resist the urge to use sleep all the time as well, without compound eyes it is an unreliable strat.
I couldn't believe it did that as well, it was close, don't get me wrong, I still needed to tank a hit or 2, but its high physical defense served it well, I think if you do a 2nd run, look into EV training for its HP and special defense if you can, I went with a brave nature for it, I knew it would never out speed anything that it really needed to, so I leaned into it and gave it some attack, sassy nature might be better as it boosts special defense instead of attack. I am more proud of doing it before level 100, I didn't think THAT was possible.
I have a few solos left to do, but just not bugs, my poison boys are up next for that but breaking it up with a few team runs 1st helps keep it fresh. in my 2nd bug run I will use more Gen 2 bugs. Scizor of course as its fire fire and heracross works for me instead of pinsir and I am thinking of breeding a yanma for the R2 to replace beedrill, I will keep parasect though, it has earned its place, I am not a fan of any of the other Gen 3 bugs to use them though and shuckle and fortress are emerald exclusive
@@jptheflipper3825 It's true but generally the SpA EVs on the SS Anne get left behind. I'm usually not ready to grind by then. Outspeeding Starmie by 1 point was beautiful. I was ready to use a Rare Candy too just to avoid the backtracking.
It's true I really hope that I can get another 0 reset run soon. The swag is real :P And yes, I wish I could invest more time into refining the runs for every video but that just isn't in the cards at the moment. Someday maybe.. but not today!
True enough. I was hoping that Jolteon would end up being similar to Aerodactyl where with that insane speed stat I could get away with a Curse or two without being punished too heavily. Hey, physical or special, I tend to prefer the one that has the best coverage. Or set up move :P
I don't know. I feel like there's enough mystery surrounding the Regis to be compelling. We'll see! I likely won't hold another 3 way vote for a few weeks either way. I need to finish off the year and find where that reset button for my brain is.
Ahh that damn Mankey. It'll be interesting to see for sure. I'm worried about Golem against the early Rival and Misty for sure. Then, approaching the late game I'm probably worried more about Aggron because of Bruno. We'll have to see though! Maybe I'll just race them to be sure.
For how often Koga poses a problem I'd say someone in his gym poses one as well. I agree, the Sandslash/Arboks everywhere can throw down some pain, but those Hypnos are nasty. Especially the level 38 one with Psychic.
Maybe that's something to explore then. I mean.. eventually. The best bugs of Gen 1/2/3 all showing down in VS matches. The dynamic would shift a lot I feel, with the Gen 3 Bugs being more suited to a team environment. Maybe? But yes, I'll likely never LOVE the Bugs, but I don't outright avoid them anymore!
Yeah Venomoth will be one that will need some fine tuning. The more I play and the more little strategic bits that I can find through fights the easier every subsequent run gets. That's part of why I'm looking so forward to re-running Tauros after 1 year of making content.
That's fair enough! It sounds like I just need to be a little more kind to myself in that run and it can go down without TOO much headache. .....he says not knowingly :P
That's awesome! Keeping Parasect around in a team environment makes way more sense to me than P as a solo runner. Forretress as well, seems like a team addition, not a solo runner. But hey, eventually I'll run 'em all. The good, the bad, and the headachy.
I think Entei would be a lot better if it had HP and Special Attack swapped. Still giving it that physical attacking prowess. But also making it's fire type moves hit very hard. 90 base isn't too bad, but it's pretty meh for a legendary geared towards offense.
That would have been really nice to see a more "full offense" style Entei. We can dream right? I'm looking forward to re-eggsploring these in Gen 4 when I'm more familiar with it. Cheers!
Also, I prefer the diet Legendary beasts. Houndoom/Arcanine, Manectric/Luxray, and Lycanroc/Mighteyna :)
I see at least 4 possibilities there for "budget" beasts that I can run in FireRed! At least until I get into that backporting sorcery.... Great suggestions thanks :)
35:39 he said paralysiseseseses 😂
37:31 he said cleverererer 😂😂
47:11 for the onixiseseseses
1:04:19 and 1:38:28 for the steelixeseseses
1:38:06 ooooo 69 nice
I hope I remembered to put more in later in the video! I was getting a tad tired by the end :)
Do a geodude line play through please 😊
Added to the list :) Thanks!
Letssss gooooii Entei
I hope I did Entei proud! Cheers :)
@Eggsceptional i think you did amazing id love to see a heartgold/soulsilver playthrough with these pokemon
@@KingTheDjinn Thank you :) Absolutely!! Once I feel more competent in the game there are SO many runs I can't wait to check out in HG/SS.
I think against gyarados while the sun is up flamethrower actually has higher effective power than solarbeam
Solarbeam = 120 effective power (neural)
Flamethrower = 95 * 1.5 (STAB) * 1.5 (Sun) / 2 (Resistance) = 106 effective power
Close! But Solarbeam wins out slightly. If I were in Blaze range, mind you, Flamethower would have been dealing more. Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional ah I was thinking Sun was 2x not 1.5
Well electric makes the most sense for suicune. would have assumed rock until i saw entei was modest, but that wouldnt have helped at -1 vs lance
The Intimidate against Lance and access to Calm Mind really swayed me from using physical. I do love me some HP Rock though :P Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional I swear that pesky lead intimidate
@@Straven93 Every time :P
Man I used to love Suicune. It used to be my favorite Pokémon. And then I played competitive and now I literally hate the thing I feel like. It's one of the worst most toxic design competitive pokemon whose whole purpose is just to win by having better stats than you and zero strategy😂
Hey now, at least in solo play Suicune wasn't much cheesier than the others! I can see how nasty it could be in competitive though. Suicune took hits so incredibly well. Thanks :)
What would I have done differently?
Well, if we’re already cheating… I’d give Entei Eathquake because GameFreak clearly didn’t think the VOLCANO POKÉMON should probably know that move.
…but these are the same people who didn’t think Zamazenta should know Body Press, soooooo…
That's fair enough :P I never cheat in the second runs so adding Earthquake, while fun, wouldn't give me much info for playthrough 2. Though I agree... If roaring makes a volcano erupt surely there's some seismic activity... Thanks :)
Raiko should have faced Venusaur
Aside from the potential for an early game Sleep wipe I really didn't feel like the Venusaur team would have made any significant impact in the late game. Only Heracross decided that. Thanks for your input!
Entei could have had the set up which was need, but you misclicked after it used counter. Sadly that changed everything.
There were plenty of mistakes throughout all of these runs. But hey, they sure were fun :)
@@Eggsceptional I agree, thank you for the great runs. Always watching and enjoying. The fire type was one of my favorites, so i voted at the end for the underdog.. even so i like all of them :)
@@EmrahT89 It was such a close one too! The Fire type has such a rough go in FireRed, ironically enough. Thanks :)
of the 3 IMHO Suicune is pure Crap and Entei has the best default lv up moves/skill set.
Entei struggling the most I feel was much more a consequence of the game I was running. They definitely felt the most well synergized, just the most punished with the Fire typing in FireRed. Thanks!