The Elemental Punch Showdown - Electabuzz vs Magmar vs Jynx - Pokemon Yellow
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2023
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I still think total EXP at finish would be a great way to show how much training a mon needed to finish the game
I just want to know where that bonk counter is at
I second this and have been thinking about it for a long time. Level depends on growth rate, Exp is a more accurate metric for effort grinding
That's not really as good as you think as experience isn't universal. You'll get more of it in different areas and you'll need more of it early than later
@@alexisdipoalo9443 it makes a much bigger difference though. 2 Pokemon at the same level but with different growth rates means one needed more EXP than the other but the current system weighs them the same. So a slower growth rate Pokemon finishing the game at the same time as a faster growth rate Pokemon should get rated higher as they did have a harder time getting levels and overcoming it.
That’s a great idea!
I have a confession:
I always watch Scott on 1.25x speed (1.5x if I'm in a hurry) so anytime catch him live talking normally, I pretend he's had a bit too much to drink.
I'm 1.5 always person, haha! And I agree, it does feel almost drunk. Honestly, if people talk a little too slow for my likes, I feel no issue with upping the speed.
Lol I feel you on that. I watch everything in 2x speed
@ChickenTeller i have a plugin allowing me to sit comfortably on 2.5
Ah man, I've played waaaaaaaaayyy too much Kingdom Hearts. Anytime I see 1.5 or 2.5, I immediately think of the the I.5 and II.5 Re:MIX collections. XD
That is a lot better than just constantly complaining about their talk speed. Especially since he used to talk faster, but he strained himself and now has to take it easy.
What's crazy about this is that you could have made this 3 separate videos to pan out December more and nobody would have minded, but you made it one big video. Love your dedication to good content.
I feel like there is never an end to all of the weird interactions with Bide.
Glad to see another fire type do well.
Scott knows us so well. I was thinking Magmar needed another play through and he did it. I’ve loved the addition of the charts and graphs he’s using now. It’s going to be great when we start having playthroughs that require evolution and seeing how they compare to all species.
I think it would be more interesting if he evolved when he needed to, like when he needs to grind up he can make the decision to grind or evolve. See how far each evolution can go. Will obviously be tricky for butterfree, metapod and magikarp
@@machinat3636 I think he’s definitely going to optimize it to find out when he needs to use evolution stones or what level is best pending if he needs to learn specific moves. I doubt he’s just evolving as soon as he can 100% of the time.
Love how this is about the Punch Trio and yet two of them don't even wind up using the punches because of when they get them from level up. So silly. Electibuzz and Jynx both get access to Thunderbolt and Icebeam so it doesn't even matter. Also can we just talk about Lovely Kiss just being the second best sleep move in the game and just abusing the hell out of it.
76 out of 151 ranked? Hard to believe that we’re halfway through this series! Excited to see how the starters do with optimized play
When it comes to competitive, Jynx is at the top for its amazing typing and access to sleep. Electabuzz follows with solid coverage to match its Electric-type moves. Then, after many tiers of better Fire-types, there’s Magmar. I’m expecting the in-game learnsets of these Pokemon and Yellow’s particular difficulty curve to be what shakes up these Pokémon’s performance compared to competitive, but Psychic is super hard for many Pokemon to deal with.
even in gen 3 jynx is quite good
I honestly believe jynx was done a bit dirty in this. I really think the training time in that early game is unnecessarily slow and it’d be way better off taking some more Brock inconsistency to save a TON of time.
Going Jynx high speed & special with psychic/ice coverage is really good in Gen 1 playthroughs
This was a really fun threeway vs video! Very glad to see Electabuzz vs Magmar get a remake in an inventive way :D
Honestly the Jynx Brock strat is something I really love about Gen 1. It's weird quirks make things like these possible.
What I appreciate the most about this series, other than the amazing software and humor, is learning how awesome some pokemon that I never used actually are. I have had a lot of fun replaying with different pokemon. Thank you
jynx kissing and pounding brock's rock snake into submission sounds like some kind of horror story
Jynx kissing you is weird enough, but the thought of it _licking_ something is... on another level.
What's interesting is the first games were never created with the intention of using some pokemon that early because in a regular playthrough you would never be able to get them. With Brock being such a huge road block for a lot of late game pokemon, Ive always wondered what these playthroughs might look like with level up learn move pools from other games were game freak took into consideration that peoole might import low level pokemon so they gave them a back log of level up moves because it was now possible to breed, etc.
For sure. I mean the other thing would be to just flatten the exp curve for every pokemon- But that just would probably turn the game into best stat total on top. With maybe some variance for stat distribution.
@@davidestabrooks211 the level curves are fine, I just see them species quirks, the move pools are where I feel the biggest problem. I mean you have some pkmn like Magikarp where part of their gimmick IS the limited move pool but in Gen 1 a lot of the limited move pools has more to do WHEN a pokemon is attainable and you can tell the different species aren't yet completely thought out.
@@SirSeabass I get what you are saying . would that mean instead seeing something liked to actually felt like each of the moves set got the same love in terms of moves- Like I get the joke about spells in a lost of old RPGS having
hmm, I think this would also be a fun set to do in crystal, considering how well the baby forms did.
Did not expect that result to be honest! I actually like Magmar and Electabuzz a lot because they have unusually good coverage for their types (something Electabuzz admittedly gets more of in Gen2, but still gives it an edge here, because Psychic is Psychic). Also, Electabuzz looks REALLY cool to me in a goofy way. I love those Popeye the sailor arms.
ranking 76/151 means you’re officially halfway done! can’t wait to see the second half
Been watching these videos for a while. I have to say, the inclusion of your analytics engages me even more. Well done with your content.
Just wanted to hop in and say thanks for the content you produce! Always great to watch your videos
Dude, what you have built up with these games and videos is nothing short of a masterpiece
I somehow knew you would do another Magmar run, watching until the end always pays off on your channel! ❤
This was amazing, nice to see some love go to the punch trio. Hoping we get to see them again in FRLG
Just after you finished the baby series and another great vs. video it's time for daily December! Thanks for all the great content! Wife and I just had our second kiddo, so taking a bit of time off work. These uploads are just what my sleep deprived self needs to keep me going all December long!
I swear I have no idea how you make these videos so fast with so much detail, information and multiple playthroughs.
That Elite 4 artwork is incredible 👌🏼 loved this versus also Scott.
Lately I've been feeling like rock tunnel is such a neat little litmus test, such a fun range of enemies.
Anyways, im probably gonna comment in less detail with how scott isnt reading so many comments being busy with the dailys, i may just comment the word Algo...
That Onyx - Jynx interaction is a perfect example of how a game that is decades old still manages to display previously unknown elements.
Thanks for all the awesome videos this past week Scott I been out of work with covid and I'm thankful for all your videos
Very fun run, thank you for all the work you put in every video! Looking forward to daily December 😊
magmar was by default the best of the 3 in the elemental punch challenge it was the only one that actually used its elemental punch.
waiting for a Magmar re-run, but didn't expect a 3-way duel with the other special attacking humanoids. Super pumped to watch this
I really appreciate the amount of effort you're putting into your videos, especially considering the number of videos you're planning to release this month. 👍
Awesome video Scott. One of my favorites. Its just so well done man great work. I was into it full way through.
Excellent man. Wonderful work and thank you very much for your work
Edit: I enjoyed this 3 way royale a lot. This was pretty dope man. Good shit!
Edit edit: missing your jokes about the rock fighting type venomoth
Editx3: you're the best poketuber on this platform. Hands down.
I love those graphs. More pf those in content please. Your data is appreciated. ❤
Jynx: "I'm still the MVP rental in Pokemon Stadium."
Hey Scott, thank you as always for your genuinely awesome content. Also just wanted to say I hope you're well and all, and if you ever need a breather please take it easy on yourself. It could be just me but it feels like in your recent videos you sound exhausted perhaps. Anyway thank you, one of my absolute favorite youtubers
Great theme after baby november!
Really looking forward to the Scott-vent-Calendar :D
You said: December, one video a day. And start with this bomb. You, Mr Scott, are insane.
Oh I love this video already!^-^ Magmar, Electabuzz and especially Jynx are in my top 5 beloved gen1 Pokemon. Right next to Flareon and Articuno. I bet all in on Jynx :>
"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss."
- Jynx in the post-race press conference
Okay, you mentioned that Lickitung is freaky, and thank you for justifying my fear of this thing. I remember I was always terrified of it as a really little kid, because in Stadium, when it was sent out, its big ol' tongue would just lick the screen like it was trying to get you. Sushi go round was fun though.
The fact that Jynx got multiple gen 1 misses in 1 run is crazy to me 😅. Great video as per usual, always fun to watch.
Daily December? Scott you mad man! (Totally gonna enjoy it though)
These races are so much fun!
When watching this video I started getting a strong sense of deja vu. It took until Scott referenced his former playthrough for me to realize he did, in fact, run Magmar v Electabuzz
Hey Scott, do you eventually seeing yourself redoing these mons but using tradeback movesets? That way they can all start with elemental punches and amazing coverage options right from the start? Would be interesting to see how that would impact their times
Great science as usual, thank you.
you often say that you feel bad repeating the same information every video, like the damage rounding threshold... But you know what? Even though I literaly grew with the older pokemon games I still forget the damage formula and how some of the thing used to work. So I AM grateful to hear it whenever you feel like it needs to be said. I truly am. Recent games works so differently than before and it's kinda scary how it makes me forget the basics. Maybe I'm getting too old? Too jaded? Either way, thanks. I enjoy your videos.
I was wondering about this coming out and the boom!
“Daily December”
You absolute legend.
I predicted magmar to win but ended up rooting for Jynx if icy wind existed in gen 1 it would have shredded, great video.
Good lord. Scott made a video just for me? 3 of my all-time favorites slam packed into a super awesome versus video. Honestly, I'm on the moon! I'm sure Jynx will take this home because it's very good. So are the other 2, though, but I really want Magmar to TAKE THIS HOME!!!
Dude, electabuzz is gonna get destroyed. Quick attack and leer? I cry.
Great. Jynx starts with pound. Perfect. I cry twice. At least it feels a little more even. It's gonna be a riveting one
Very interesting. So Jynx won Round 1 but Magmar wins Round 2. I admit, I was expecting Jynx to take both Rounds if only because of its typing and moveset toward the lategame. As always, excellent video, Scott and Team!
Man your videos are great. The way you optimize your additional playthroughs to give the given Pokémon it’s best shot at a good time. With optimizations in mind, would you ever consider trying a series where you have a single level 100 Pokémon, best stats in DVs and IVs, a gauntlet where they have one shot to steamroll the elite 4 with no heals and no PP restores. Straight up brute force the whole league with no healing of any kind. That would be optimization to the extreme. Looking forward to the December series.
I’m excited for this race and Scott’s Daily December! My prediction is Magmar toasts Electabuzz and Jynx primarily due to a special starting move and a great moveset.
Jynx is next thanks to stab psychic and ice typing. Electabuzz puts up the best electric time since it gets psychic for Giovanni’s team but still comes in last sadly. Pulling for Electabuzz though even though I don’t feel great about its chances.
On the first day of December Scott's Thoughts gave to me:
Those three weirdo mons punching
Great way to start off Daily December!
im hyped for this one!
You could have named this "The Elemental Punchout"
So fun fact: in the Pokemon index for gen 1, there is a cut yeti pokemon that appears to be intended to be the third member of the Electabuzz Magmar trio, as it is directly in between them in the index.
One interesting thing about gen 1, particularly when looking at the cut pokemon, is how many fire, electric, and ice/water trios there are . Eeveelutions, the birds, Rapidash and Seaking were originally three stage families with an electric tiger pokemon, similarly Pikachu and Vulpix appear to be trio with a fish pokemon. Fire lightning ice is a classic JRPG trio that doesn't work in Pokemon, which is why I think it kind of disappeared after gen 2's babies and legendary dogs.
6:31 I think Magmar in Blue makes a lot of sense. I play Blue as a child and aways chose Squirtle.
Since I also don't have access to Growlithe, I didn't have much option in Fire types and Magmar became my standard and favorite Fire pk.
Vulpix? Look to cute and fragile. Flareon? C'mon, I playing Blue, if I allowed to chose types of curse I chose Vaporeon. Moltres? Legendarys are overpowered and came in high level, seems cheating.
Anyway, glad to see a Magmar playthrough, love this thing. You have a great content, makes me happy.
Awesome vid, cannot wait to see the conclusion, weirdly enough the least popular among the three, jynx, might win. With how much yellow hates electric types i don't see electabuzz taking the second place
Edit 1: Okay i didn't know jynx had lower stat total, magmar is looking better now
Edit 2: Jynx actually won in the first runs i kinda called it i guess.
Edit 3: In the end they were neck to neck. Such an excelent video great work Scott.
I'm glad that Mrs. Popo did so well.
My predictions going into this was Jynx would win easily and Electabuzz and magmar would be decent but overall not great, glad to see i was wrong. Magmar is great and it really shone in its playthrough. Although it lost the first runs it won after some TLC. Excited for daily December keep it up!
Always enjoy the races
i know you're super busy, but i'm only 25 minutes in and already can't wait for the firered/leafgreen version.
Erica probably felt robbed in that initial Electabuzz fight.
And Rival 5 😂
I think it would be awesome to see how each of them would do if they each started with their relevant elemental punch!
Nice finish level for Electabuzz 2 :).
Fun fact, Jynx is actually a parody of ganguro fashion
11:00 Mr Mime says hold my beer
What a fun challenge to watch anytime! Scott, you're an artist, in the edition of your videos, in the upgraded performances of your contestants and in your way of beating pokemon repeatedly with different pokemon but never in a boring way, totally in a fun and creative way! I am your fan since your began your career Scott, I felt I was right about you, you are hard-working, very dedicated... You're gonna an outstanding father and husband, I 'm sure! Man, The Canadian are very well represented by you, Scott! Warm and nice person! Congratulations for all your work so far, as always I loved your challenge! By the way, I like Jynx the most out of the 3, ever since I saw Jynx in the anime I have always liked it! You did an amazing job with all the three, I'm so proud of these competitors, very good worked by you! I wish you a wonderful week Scott! May God bless you, your family and your work! Congratulations for your wedding by the way, I think I hadn't said that yet! Sorry for that! I can't wait to keep on watching your challenges! Thank you for all of them!
great vid scott!
ONE FULLY PRODUCED VIDEO EVERY DAY?!? MERRY EARLY XMAS TO ME!
HOORAY FOR MY FAVORITE FIRE DUCK!
Really solid results across the board, the electabuzz results do make me want to see how Jolteon would do in a replay though.
As always great jod
Still wanting gengar alkzam rematch
I can tell its been a long day for me. It took me until you said rock leader to realize this was not a crystal run. I even looked at all the yellow in the thumbnail.
Glad you noted how beastly Ninetales is at the end. Fire type really isn't that terrible in and of itself, even in early gens, but most fire types are held back by being split attackers with rather shallow movepools in RBY. Being a middling type with a harsh start, a harsh finish and No Flamethrower TM makes for a disheatening situation, despite the strengths. Ninetales and Flareon though, this is the point at which they have the best stats they ever will have.
Despite my fire type apologism, I thought Magmar would likely be B rank too. Also I expected more Confuse Ray strats to wreck problem pokemon. It's almost as good as Sing in a way for hazing out a pokemon, and you love your Sleep strats. But it's less reliable for the long beatdowns and you very clearly didn't need it. Impressive, really.
Wow, this really was a movie.
I'm thrilled for Daily December :)
Scott... Scott... I say this with utmost sincerity as a huge fan of your videos.
This is too much. I can't spend an hour every day watching your videos over December! I'm losing so much time and productivity from being addicted to these videos! Please send help.
Hey Scott, so whilst playing my charizard run I wanted to see what I could do to not die really fast at Gyarados. So what I did was after Celodon and buying vitamins for the special stats, then when I had to go to pokemon tower, I fought every ghastly trainer and added at least 20 wild ghastly. That increased my special a decent amount. Giving charizard the health to be a three hit to Gyarados's hydro pump. I used three rare candies right after Giovanni and then the rest before Lance. It made charizard beat Lance first try.
Moveset
Flamethrower
Bodyslam
Earthquake
Rest
I think Electabuzz and Magmar would have an interesting competition in GSC
Man this was awesome.
Jynx’s back sprite is absolutely atrocious, never realized how bad it was
Our electric bill is too high, so we're using fire to keep the house warm and combat the ice outside.
Class, Scott!
This vid has a banger thumbnail!
I’d love to see you run this back with this trio in Crystal
When you mention running evolutionary lines, have you put any thought into delaying evolution to learn moves faster? Because I have; most notably, Squirtle learns Bite at level 22, but Wartortle doesnt learn it till... 24 I think? But if Squirtle learns it and then evolves, then it can beat Misty at level 22; where as a Level 23 Wartortle without Bite will have trouble beating Misty. Unless you just use Mega Punch or something I guess, I don't know, I don't use TMs or do solo runs... Might be relevant in FR/LG where Bite is Dark type though.
You forgot to put Blane battle music for Magmar fight :) You know there will always be assholes around to point out those little mistakes
As someone who adores the Gen 1 Electric types (with Electabuzz itself becoming a recent favorite) and finds it very frustrating that this game is so unkind to them, it is so nice to see one do so well. Even if the winning strat relies on good crit luck on the Champion battle.
Honestly my nostalgia glasses always considered Electric to be a great type and honestly I think it more has to do with how absolutely amazing Thunderbolt is a a type coverage move and how many Pokemon can learn it .
That magmar run had me mildly stressed, I'm so happy it still got the fastest even with the setbacks
I would like to see a series of what if moves like what if Krabby had Dig in yellow.
Is there a way you could put damage calcs on this overlay? Maybe the ability toggle the effective power portion to damage calcs whenever you need to see what actually does more damage? Would be sweet.
He didn't mention the fact that he is now halfway done through the tier list
Jynx is my initial favourite. She has a good sleep move, stab psychic & blizzard (or Ice Beam earlier in the playthrough where the extra pp can save time), and if I'm not mistaken starts off pretty good in the move pool department too with double slap being decent early. Electabuz and Magmar can get through most things with their moves and stats too, but won't have access to a second super high damaging move or a sleep option. They are better defensively and will do more with Body Slam, but 75 or 100 % accurate sleep moves are just so overpowered on Pokemon that aren't otherwise terrible.