Did Schumacher Cheat? Race Driver Reacts to Schumi v Hill '94
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2018
- In this "Race Driver Reacts" video, I analyse the collision between Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill during the 1994 Australian GP, offering my point of view as a racing driver.
Schumacher and Hill went into the final race of the Formula One season separated by only a single point - the Driver's World Championship was to be decided in Australia.
Then, on lap 36, Michael Schumacher made a mistake at the East Terrace corner and Hill tried to pass the Benetton. Schumacher turned across Hill and the two collided, sending the German into the air and breaking Hill's suspension. The incident is still seen as one of the most controversial in F1.
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Schumi or Hill...?
Schumacher deriberately turned as if Hill wasn't there since a double DNF would give him the championship. He preferred to drag Hill to his misfortune than assuming that that final mistake cost him the championship. That was the dark side of Schumacher that many have condemned. He played dirty games many times and he had desperate ways to win at any cost.
Schumi ... why pick the racing line if your car is all over the place, i would not go for the apex with a bent wheel axle in iRacing 🤔
Exactly...it was his mistake but he wanted to make it looks like a broken suspension made the car so undrivebable that he unintentionally collided with Hill. However, we all know that he could not just accept that it was over for him. He had to win at any cost, even by ruining other driver's race.
As top racers, both drivers here had similar thoughts as the Verstappen and Ocon accident in Mexico. IMO, both parties are at fault but this one had a greater outcome for the championship fight.
Driver61 - Is this really a comment section you should be proud of? Are these the types of videos you want to make? Where you denigrate and have your comment section rip a driver to shred for views? Not to mention some of the disgusting comments i've seen saying how Schumacher deserved what happened to him because of this. This comment section is disgusting and you should be ashamed
0:06 "The year is 1994. Racing games looked like this, supercars looked like this, and I looked like this".
I know the feeling.
BLKBRDSR71 I had that game!
in 1994 I looked like this:
I was born in 2002
Adelaidean here, we have noted your comments on the bumpy roads and will endeavour to address the situation within the coming decades.
lol!
Can you widen the sidewalks too?
@@psychohist haha funnily enough the east terrace chicane has been redone. The sidewalk is wider now.
*pumps fist*
It'll take us decades to finish south road to be honest
In his autobiography Hill said that he didn't see Schumacher's crash with the wall, he thought that MSC just missed the turn and was preparing to accelerate for the right turn.
So not to lose him again from sight, Hill thought this was his last chance to overtake MSC during the race, and tried to take it.
If he knew that MSC has crashed, it would change the story...
in short, he went for a gap that was not there.
@@riquelmeone the gap was there, but Schumacher closed it.
3 years later Schumacher tried to close another gap, but this time it didn't work well for him, and he was heavily punished.
@@raynoraynov5651 the gap wasn’t there and you know it. Three years later there was a massive gap.
Most obvious way to see the difference is by looking at where exactly the cars collide. Hill’s front wheel hits Schumacher’s sidepod, just like Schumacher’s front wheel hits Villeneuve’s sidepod.
One incident is Hill’s fault the other is Schumacher’s.
To deny that is absurd.
If it were just this one incident Schumacher might get the benefit of the doubt. It wasn't.
Hill had 2 incidents hitting Schumacher from behind at Silverstone and monza, so because there is 2 does that also throw hill under the bus?
paul111287 take those incidents in context not at face value. Schumacher took Jaque and Damon by deliberately ramming into them for a title The footage doesnt lie. Damon’s incidents were never deliberate or in an attempt to secure the title right there at that moment and are widely considered as racing incidents. We’re throwing Schumacher under the bus not just because it happened but because its obvious it was deliberate
@@GTChucker86 Jacques also did mention in an interview that he waited for a time that Schumacher was not [and wasn't going to be] looking in his mirrors before he decided to dive bomb to "catch him by surprise", and yes it certainly did. Not only that, but Jacques, and the Williams team were pushing the media to believe that "Schumacher will play dirty games", purely so they can point the blame when someone dive bombs. I'll continue to say dive bomb, because it was clear to see that Jacques speed entering the Apex was definitely not going to be made without the help of Schumachers car slowing him down, and he even locked his brake.
As for the Schumacher Hill incident, Schumacher see's him going for the Left, which he blocks, then Hill decides to go up the inside while Schumacher is already turning for the Apex, Hill being on the inside for that corner isn't the ideal spot, especially when he is still half a car length behind.
So to sum it up;
Schumacher gets dive bombed, and runs into someone that ends up a car length ahead - Schumacher's fault.
Schumacher is turning for the apex and gets hit by someone a car length behind - Schumacher's fault.
And to just throw this in;
Coulthard makes a mistake in Argentina 98 and runs wide. Schumacher takes the inside line with plenty of room, Coulthard turns in on Schumacher - Schumacher's fault.
All seems legit to me...
What everyone always misses, and what this video actually explains very well, is that Schumachers car was damaged, and due to him constantly having to correct it's steering, would have spelt that out for Schumacher very easily. He knew there was a chance he was out of the race, but he still had the right to be aggressive and make it as hard as possible for Hill to get passed [blocking the left], Hill though was too eager and went for a spot that wasn't available when he could have played it a bit smarter after the corner.
Schumacher would have retired, Hill would have been a double world Champion by now.
@@GTChucker86 Sorry, I got your notification, but can't see the actual full comment you made [must need to be approved by uploader?] I saw up until Sauber in my Notifications. On that matter though, yes that was dirty for Ferrari, and things like that shouldn't be allowed, but unfortunately it has been a problem for years in the sport, and still is, and always will be, as sad as that may seem. It's one thing to accuse a Team of such behaviour, but it's not all the time that the Drivers may be involved with that. Schumacher did not get on the Radio and ask the Team to do that, that dirt is on the Heads in charge of the Team.
My comment only relates to the Drivers on their own, and Jacques was planting false accusations into the minds of the Media through interviews with him on the lead up to the Race, something Schumacher has never played dirty in.
I don't defend Schumachers behaviour on everything he has done / did, but was purely speaking about spur of the moment situations regarding Hill and Jacques. When you have a split second to make a judgement call when;
A - A car flies up the inside, a car length ahead while already turning for the Apex.
B - A car flies up the inside, a car length behind while already turning for the Apex.
Those situations are a accident waiting to happen with the wrong choice taken. All 3, Schumacher, Hill, and Jacques all had their decision they made, and the outcome we all know.
Accidents like this you see constantly throughout the years, and in every Motorsport, but its only certain ones we actually remember and make a bit deal about because it involves a Title.
Aaron A im going to repost the comment; Williams wasnt only the one playing games that year, Ferrari too had play games and had to contact Sauber to tell them to deliberately ruin Villuenueve’s practice runs by blocking him on track. Not to mention when you observe Schumacher’s sudden steering movements when Villuenueve dove on him that its obvious he was going to ram the Williams off. Dive bomb or not its still a nasty move on Micheals’s part. As for the 1994 incident with Hill he had no idea Micheal had a mechanical issue at the moment and only thought at that moment that he drifted off track and slowly drove back to the racing line. Race car drivers are oppurtunists in given what they know at that exact moment so its a logical move for hill to attack Schumacher at that moment since he didnt know Schumi had a mechanical issue and took any oppurtunity to exploit Micheal’s mistake. So its rather ignorant to say Hill was mistaken for attacking a car he didnt know was going to retire anyway
It was clearly Ericsson
Underrated comment.
Yeah I agree
Schumacher knew he was out and took Hill with him
@Boris Posavec Hill was the real champion this year!Schumacher played dirty from the first GP!
Yes, but, bottom line, Hill was a awful driver that should have never had become champion.
@@mircogam With cognitive dissonance that bad you must be in a coma too.
@Boris Posavec If you are uncertain whether Schumacher was right to do what he did, then you don't understand the notion sportsmanship to begin with.
@Boris Posavec Yes there is. This was a very bad win for Schumacher and a great loss for Hill, he won over loads more fans whilst Schumacher lost a ton of respect from his idols and peers. He never lived this down, it stained his whole career.
You know why he wanted to overtake but it was always an optimistic move from Hill.
If only he had waited. ☹️
Shumacher new his car damaged and so should have pulled out of the race, rather than being a danger to others.
@@hughphillips1427 it was one corner, if there was no collision he likely wouldnt even get it down the next straight with that damage
German pilot put Hill out on purpose! It’s a fact
@@hughphillips1427nah, if you are trying to win the World Championship you are never gonna retire the car after 50 meters, at the very least you're gonna give it a good go before retiring
@@hughphillips1427 :) Not at all. There was nothing in the FIA rules at a time, that obligated Schumacher to retire after car damage. (Now imagine this scenario: Let`s say Schumacher and Hill both pass the lap line in same order and something happened back in the grid so a race is red flagged. The win goes to SCH despite his damaged car. If he would retire, win goes to Hill). big difference.
Its funny, but we had to wait until Jerez 97, for everybody to make their minds up about adelaide 94.
To Say what we all thought.
Do tell. I missed that one....
@@MetaFootballTV He got dsq'd. Villenueve won the WDC
This isn't even remotely the same as the Villeneuve incident??
@@SavedbyHim it’s identical
I think Schumacher saw Prost and Senna get away with taking each other out for several years and winning the title in the process. He watched it go unpunished and until he pushed the limits too far in ‘97.
Totally agree. I am a huge Schumacher fan too. I think you would have seen much more of this throughout all the eras of formula 1 if hitting another car wasnt a nearly guaranteed death sentence through most of F1's early history. It was only from the late 80s on that you could survive bad accidents, and it took that first generation of drivers that werent constantly watching their friends and rivals get killed to loosen up on the unwritten rules of racing. Hence in 97 they had to tighten up the written ones. This stuff would have been attempted murder in 1974. 20 years later it's just unportsmanlike.
When Schumacher entered F1 he complained about Senna's driving and was basically told 'to shut up and get on with it'. You can't have one rule for a driver (Senna - he tried to put Prost into the wall in Estoril and also failed to brake fr turn 1 at Suzuka in 1990) ) and another rule for everyone else. I'd never seen the footage that showed the right rear damage on Schumachers's car before.
There were a number of occasions in the future (Silverstone and Monza come to mind where Hill braked to late and caused a collison with Shumacher).
Yeah but Senna was almost banned from the 1990 season. Hence why McLaren had to submit his name at the last minute and he drove the car number 27. Also in 1990 when Piquet asked what they(the drivers) should do in case of a collision like in 1989, Ballestre said Senna was right. And there's footage of this here on YT. So Senna was setup to lose a WC and then when protesting in Suzuka 1990, Ballestre ordered the race commissioner to change the pole position starting place and this drove Senna furious. There's also footage of this, hell, it apears on two of his films. Senna was about to lose another WC because of politics, so yeah, he smashed his car into Prosts and that's why there was no further action. Senna won a well deserved truce.
You think Senna went unpunished..?
Michael was like Alain Post - in and out of the car. He knew who to keep happy. And how to keep them happy.
@@simonkevnorris but, those first examples you give are primary examples of different rules for different people being executed. No.
"1994, Supercars look like this" *YES PLEASE*
Looking back at Schumachers career as a whole, I have no doubt he took Hill out on purpose. He wasn't a clean driver. He was ridiculously fast but he also wasn't going to shy away from bending or breaking the rules to win.
And him trying to take out Villeneuve in '97 at the deciding race in Spain really doesn't give Schumacher any room to argue his innocence in this matter. If he can't win, he is very much willing to take out the competition.
Häkkinen has also told that when he sometimes tried to explain to Schumacher that his dirty moves are dangerous and not proper racing behaviour, Schumacher just stared at him and told him "that's racing". He doesn't see his dirty moves and tactics as anything other then part of the sport.
Schumacher got away with a lot during his career because he was fast and had the backing of Ferrari that could during that time pretty much dictate the rules of F1.
Very good statement. An honest reportbof facts.
I would add this.
Some drivers won against Schumacher. Fernando Alonso has clearly showed two times to be better than Schumacher.
I remember that Juan Montoya had clearly showed to be able to win too against Schumacher, even without winning the title. In 2003 he has been very near to the title and in fact we are talking about a legend who has won in different contexts of car races.
Anyway, talking about those years, I suppose that we should be honest considering and admitting what happened in F1. Schumacher was a very good driver,good to set the car too, I particularly enjoied very much his skill during Mika Hakkinen's times, but, in my opinion,many things suggest that probably without some atipic advantages he never would had won seven titles.
His Benetton teammate admitted after many years that the car was not regular in the electronic part.
Have been there some investigations about that ?
After, in Ferrari, Schumacher pratically forbid the arrive of a strong teammate.
Be clear, this is important ,as history confirm,this was not only something that erased the possibility to have a teammate competitor . This choose gived him also helps in many occasions, in fact Barrichello and Massa they had to let it pass and eventually renounce victory.
In that time there was the polemic of the blue Ferrari (Sauber) too .
Another two cars ready to help Schumscher if necessary . Montoya protested several times for this.
If all this isn't enough, there are also some disputable decision of the judges giving strange penalties as happened for example in the Malaysia 2002 start.
I wonder, in a very simple and direct way, what driver wouldn't be world champion with all these elements on his side.
I remember a very strange fact.
When it was communicated to Barrichello that Ferrari did not renew his contract, his reaction was really strange. He declared that he would write a book about some things he knew. Then the contract with BAR Virgin arrived and Barrichello never said anything about that strange expression.
What did Barrichello mean ?
Don't forget that dirty trick MS tried in Monaco after taking pole, when he stopped his car on the track. MS was fast....but not fast enough to avoid the karma bus
Andrew M if you are referring to his ski accident, I feel sorry for you and your judgement.
You wrote a newspaper and subscribe to my channel now!!!!!
@@about_tomaso1 Schumachers skiing accident was in the Alps, not Monaco.
At Monaco he had set a pole position time that he thought wasn't good enough so he deliberately crashed at Rascasse to bring out the red flags and end the qualifying session. Just another of the many many dirty tricks that he is famous for.
Clearly reckless driving of Verstappen
Well, Jos Verstappen did drive as 2nd fiddle to Michael Schumacher at the time at Bennaton. 🤔😂
An honest answer to your jest is that I don't think Jos was anywhere near these two though, as the car he drove was the spare car of Michael en thus setup for Michael with the very oversteering nature that he loved.
LogiForce86
👍😂
Jos screwed Nigel there bigtime!
This comment is pretty accurate, Jos was incredibly reckless at the time. Even more so than his son is these days.
Jos Verstappen raced schumacher in karts and he (Jos) usually was faster...schummacher's Benneton was different, had traction control and other things and Jos hadn't!
9:27 I remember I was like: Can't they just take some stick and insulation tape and splint that wishbone or something!!?? The team is English for god sake. They fix everything with insulation tape! The frustration.. I can still feel it today..
I thought the same. With how dominant the Williams were, I thought Hill could make it in points to the finish.
@@AndrewEdwardBailey No problem, just panic 😂
I’d have told him to go round slow for another lap while something was whipped up
So you make an 11min video and in the end you don't even give a verdict or state your personal opinion??
Musculus IV one persons opinion isn’t needed. He provided the facts and information for the viewer to make their own mind up
PT & Nutrition Education -He did it perfectly. Gave us exactly the information we need to really see what happened (aside from the thoughts of Schumacher and Hill 😜) and we can make up our own minds and discuss. He kept it unbiased for a reason and did it well.
but the title says race driver reacts to the incident not gives us the facts to make our own minds up. I specifically came to hear a race drivers opinion on the incident.
@@braveheart4603 exactly what I meant
Braveheart Fair enough. Just depends on what you want personally when you see the word “reacts”. I see where you’re coming from
After all those years it's the first time I realize Schumacher's car was already broken. Besides that I never understood why Hill made that move so fast.
I think Michael knew his car was broken but he also saw an opportunity to take his rival out
If you no longer go for a gap that exist your no longer a racing driver.
@@rumblefish9 Hill hit Michael's car not vice versa. Michael's car was 2m in front of Hill's car. You cannot hit anyone when you're in front lol
That is just visible on the footage. This was Hill's mistake to run into him. The same was in Silverstone in Monza the following year.@@claudium6769
Hill says he didn't know Schumacher had hit the wall, what was he talking about you can clearly see from the footage he did see it, he should have gone nowhere near Schumachers car, lots of laps still to go, he should have just followed him round Schumacher would have pitted, retired probably, hill just needed to cruise round for the rest of the race, and thanked shuie at the end for letting him have the world championship 👍
Yes he did. _"If I ain't finishing, you ain't gonna either"_ -style.
it was pretty common that time. Like Senna Prost
Cheating was common back then?
@@vonPelger No, it wasn't common. A lot of WDC winning drivers were/are clean. Hamilton, both Rosbergs, Lauda, Mansell, and more. Prost and Senna were dirty, specially Senna, and Schumi really didn't give af.
@@vonPelger Not Hakkinen, pure gentleman and consummate professional, Schumacher a stuck up cheat, POS!
@@TheImSolid he Said at the time If you didnt read it
I'd never previously noticed Schumacher's rear suspension damage after his initial collision with the wall, and given how much his right rear is visibly moving, it's likely his extra steering input it simply to balance the car, as pointed out in the video. So, the only intentionally naughty thing he did was moving back across to block having left the grass.
As a Brit growing up in the 1990s, I've been brought up on Schumacher being to blame for this incident, but at corner entry, he was half a car ahead and it was his corner, so it can only have been a racing incident.
The tragedy is that with the damage sustained to Schumacher's car, Hill only needed to wait in order to pick his passing spot due to an ailing or retiring Schumacher, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Funny how Villeneuve had a similar incident, isn't it?
@@EdMcF1 Who?
@@EdMcF1 Crash with Villeneuve was totally different. SCH hit him intentionally after having been overtaken, and he was rightfully disqualified.
In 94 it was a racing incident between a driver trying to overtake and another one on his racing line and not opening the door.
I'm not a brit, but Schumacher is 100% to blame here. You just cant drive where another car already is, you cant turn into another car. In a normal racing situation when you see front wheel hit the middle of the car like that, you can probably say the driver behind is to blame in most cases. But thats because we assume the front driver comes inside the corner at a normal racing speed and the guy behind can always be a bit faster by just not breaking enough and "arrive" into the car in front (thats what Senna some times did), causing a collision. But in this case Hill was where he was because Schumacher was slow and already somewhat off the line. And Schumacher just deliberately slammed into Hill's car.
As an amateur circuit racing driver, I totally agree with You. Some referees would give Hill a penalty, but in this case, just a racing incident!
I am from Germany and I saw this race on TV. My first reaction was „Oh no! Not that way!“. I have to confess, that I was happy for Michael to be World Champion (what he would have been by the mid of the season, if the FIA wouldn’t have cheated on him and Benneton), but I immediately thought, that this was a reckless action against a fine sportsman like Hill. A reaction from a bad looser. My opinion. But would I had been fairer? I don’t know.
Loser.
At least you admit that Schumacher cheated
Lol. Hill beat Schumacher on track in just 1 race that whole season. It would've been a disgrace if Hill won the championship
Hill didn't deserve it anyway . Poor guy though
@@Mark-zk3gu Don't forget Benetton were using an illegal traction control in the software, they just hadn't been discovered yet. That's why Michael kept making fast starts.
I watched this race live. And (as a Schumi fan at the time) was confident it was unintentional. However, later incidents with Schumi convinced me he was a dirty driver.
Same with me.
You didnt see what he did in makau gp to hakkinen? It was obvious he was a dirty driver since then lol
@@deliriumbee4678 1/ Were talking F1, not go karts. 2/ That one was so clean it had soap on it. If you cared to watch, MS swerved off line before MH.
@@EdgemanLL2 chill there fanboy
@@twami86 OK Boomer
Hill said later that he should've attacked Schumi later.
From Hill's point of view, if Schumi was broken, there was no need to attack immediately because Schumi would've been too slow to defend before the checkered flag. If Schumi was not broken, it was too ambitious to attack at that part of the track because even though Hill had a speed advantage, Schumi still had a positional advantage and the initiative.
This was the decisive moment in the championship. At that point, even though Schumi had made a mistake and damaged his car, he was still a car length ahead of hill before braking and he had every right to take the racing line. To me, it was the only chance for Schumi to hold onto the title hope but Hill had many chances to win the title (at least better chance than Schumi). If I were Schumi, I would take the racing line. If I were Hill, I would attack later, maybe in the exit of the corner.
I know while racing there isn't much time for any racer to analyze the situations like chess players. They both did according to their instincts. It is very easy for us to slow down the footage and analyze the situation. But they didn't have that luxury to analyze back then. I really think it was a racing accident.
100.1% Agree Hill lacked that tiny bit of experiencing how to handle a title showdown it went against him. Whereas Michael in 97 was purely a silly move to make and he knew he messed up that time but here I would of done the same defend my line they are fighting a Championship its what they both worked for in their careers!
Easy to say with hindsight but he was just far enough back that didnt see the extent schumis initial off or damage. As he came up, schumi was slower and cutting hard left, hill saw a gap to the right, and went for it. Had no reason to think he was gonna cut back hard right into his sidepod. I mean the whole thing happened over the course of 4-5 seconds. Even the best drivers have a finite amount they can process and react to. Hill was trying to avoid schumi as much or more than he was trying to pass him. I coulda given michael the benefit of the doubt had he not done the same in 97
@@Richard-qu5vi Read my comment again. I didn't say it was Hill's fault. I explained what the situation was like from both racers' point of view.
Don't be rude. I may be wrong or right. This is just my opinions. We all are F1 fans.
@@soemoe8237 Sorry mate my comment was directed at Claudio87Amorosi
@@Richard-qu5vi I see. I wondered why your comment wasn't in my notifications :D Have a nice day.
I think Schumacher did it deliberately. He did a mistake, he knew that something was broken in his car, and he knew the only option he had was to crash Hill out of the race. And that's what he did. Schumacher was always an extremely dirty driver, and in my opinion what happened in 1997 between Schumacher and Villeneuve just proves that Schumacher did this also intentionally.
Of course you can say Hill should've had more patience and his dive to pass Schumacher was stupid, but like said Hill had no time to actually study the damage in Schumacher's car, and he didn't really know how hard the hit was, so it could've easily been his only good option to overtake Schumacher.
Thanks for your opinion nemo78
Senna was as dirty as Schumacher and he only gets a pass, because he is dead, so being dirty is appearantly what it takes to become the greatest.
As great a driver as Schumi was, he also employed just about every dirty trick in the book in order to win. In my mind, there is no doubt that Schumi allowed the collision to happen deliberately. Many (most?) other drivers, especially when not in contention for the championship, would have admitted their mistake and limped to the pits to retire.
I'm not to sure, if the toe linkage was disconnected on the rear turning the car would snap the rear wheel over and induce oversteer.
Maybe Schumi wasnt expecting the rapid geometry change in the suspension.
Although in 94 I was screaming at the TV calling him a cheat lol
I think he's more skilled driver than that. By the way he needed to correct on the straight line, it was quite clear to Schumi that something in the rear is broken. He had chosen his line, and that line had no room for an inside passer. Racing drivers generally try to keep their line even during oversteer/understeer conditions, or bail out (= run wide) if they can't keep the line. If Schumi's chosen line allowed room for Hill but the car was oversteering that much, he would have opposite-locked like crazy. But there was none of that that I could see. This one goes to the category: "I have the right to choose my line. If Hill collides with me, too bad for him."
Schumacher + Flavio Briatore, what do you think would be the result?!
Absolute dominance followed by a ban forever lol
Nothing but cheating tbh. It's why Briatore was banned lmao. But brain dead schumy fans gonna simp.
@@solysabor At least he is alive unlike overrated Senna
They deserve each other. Remember Flavio comment Schumi "honesty" I think in 2003 "Schumi is not to speak to me about honesty / I learn him everything he knows"
@@ljubastojanovic608 Schumacher also cheated at Ferrari on Alonso and Renault. He parked his car in Rascasse to ruin Alonso's quali at the 2006 Monaco GP. Alonso was already faster than him in the first sector. Michael was in Ferrari then. Ferrari did it again to Alonso at Monza that year when Massa accused Alonso of impeding him. Alonso had damage to the car. The stewards ruled that Alonso had not impeded him but Alonso was still penalized. Briatore may have been tarnished himself from crashgate but he never told Schumacher to crash into Hill or do all those other things. Schumacher was already sort of known for that since his karting years.
Having seen this live, I always thought it had been Schumacher's fault. This video convinced me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
And then of course I remembered a driver has to retire without causing trouble to others when their car brakes. Yes. It was Schumacher's fault.
Seeing live, I started calling him Dick Dastardly (from the Wacky Races cartoons) on the spot. I still hold the same opinion more than 25 years later
Maybe Schumacher thought he had just a flat spot.
He did it on purpose, no doubt. If your car is broken like that, you won’t go long in the race anyways, he cheated to win the championship like losers do
I think that it was a heat of the moment thing. Both drivers saw their championships flash before them, and they both did what is in my opinion a very quick and brave move, hoping that one would back out of the corner before the other. I’d most likely call this as a racing incident, but just my viewpoint! I don’t think that it was a deliberate coming together.
What do you think of him parking on the racing line during qualifying at Monaco? Or bashing into villeneuve ? Or using launch control after it was banned? Or pushing Ruben's into the wall or.......
The man was a consumate cheat and knew full well what he was doing with hill.
Sennas collision was a response to prost (another cheating twat) taking him out the year before and as such was a rivalry thing, Schumacher didn't care who he did it to.
@@pbysome Well Said.
@@quickgoanna cheers
Schumacher could easily be disqualified for illegal re-entry of the track, let alone this suspecious move. The FIA stole a WC from Hill. Simple as that.
@@DimitriMoreira He's a full car length ahead when he rejoined
4:41 : Villeneuve saw it and knew he would do that at Jerez
Jerez incident is still different though since: 1. There was the 1994 precedent and 2. Both cars runned perfectly fine until that point.
@@discinfiltrator Actually, Schumacher lost 2 seconds in a lap to Villeneuve, so he knew he had a mechanical problem (either hydraulic or slow puncture), so it is pretty much the same.
The only thing different is that Schumacher could have attempted a switch a roo, given that Villeneuve was late breaking, but I think it would not have been enough.
Even in the press conference and interviews, JV already voiced his fears that Michael would ram into him.
He even stated it publicly before the race and Schumacher STILL tried it.
This is the first time I come across a fair interpretation by a British guy.
Well done.
The English can be a nightmare to deal with when it comes to taking an un-biased look at a situation that involves an English person and a non-English person.
Being Scottish, I should know! 🤣
Schumacher was one of the greatest drivers but he isn't the greatest champion.
I agree. No an exemple.
Well put
@Boris Posavec Bollocks .
absolutely, he is a great cheater
@Boris Posavec Triple bollocks .
Hard to look a this incident these days with the knowledge of what he did 3 years later in Jerez and say that Schumacher was completely innocent. He definitely wasn't against being super dirty and trying to take out his rivals when it was the last option left.
True, look what at he did to Barrichello at Hungary in 2011..
I saw this race live and even back then, at the young age of 10, I could tell Schumacher was as dirty as he could be.
@@rodrigolj That's why i never like him.
Successor of Senna, then
@@rodrigolj I watched live at Silverstone when he passed Hill on formation lap. I remember it well and at the time couldn't understand why he did it? (I thought race had started!.. ) I was right in line to see:)
Nigel Mansell's last win. I do think if Mansell had been in a Williams in 1995 it would have been a great season.
He tried to sqeeze in to the McLaren in -95 but didn't fit, I think he was past his prime to be honest. He wouldn't have won any of the four races he started in -94 either had it not been for the incident in this video. Almost a minute behind in Japan...
@@hejamodo And yet Adrian Newey has since said if Mansell was in the car in '95 they would have won that championship. I'll take his judgement over your opinion.
@@williamwilson4705 Perhaps if he'd fit in the car. Which he didn't...
Did you follow F1 at the time?
@@hejamodo he didn't fit in the McLaren, not the Williams FW17 which is what Newey and me are talking about. Of course I did and some time before that as well i have missed two live races from july 1990 to date - dont even dare pull the "you're a noob" card on me..
@@williamwilson4705 that escalated quickly, I don't do you're a noob comments but I am curious of nature. Of course I got that Newey talked about the Williams, and it's easy to say he would've won had he driven it. But he didn't, so we'll never know. What we do know is that he did'nt fit in the McLaren and he stopped racing, hence the past his prime comment.
Schumacher knew exactly what he was doing! I watched the race and i knew why he did it. He should have been allowed to keep that championship. He tried the same with J.V and was outed!!
Hill should have been more clever. He should have been more patient and waited to overtake. He went for the overtake which wasn’t on.
With all the undeserved penaltios throughout the season, he had every moral right to win HIS title this way.
@@turrican4d599 Undeserved???
Ignoring black flags is like spitting on F1's rules. He never deserved that championship
@@speeddemon4387 No. And 1997 was Villeneuves fault.
@@turrican4d599 If you don´t play by the rules, you don´t get to win. Easy as that.
Great vid. Brill analysis of the events leading up to and including the collision. Never noticed the right rear of the Benetton damaged after hitting the wall.
If Hill had waited 1 corner he'd of won with ease. His mistake was 'trying to dispatch of schumacher asap'
Dom, true but as is is pointed out, Hill didn't know if Schu's car was damaged. What he did know was that this was likely his only chance to overtake. I think that was clearly illustrated. Also, Schu, in his typical dirty style, drove right across the track with a damaged car to block Hill on the left, forcing Hill to lock up. That left the inside wide open, which any F1 driver would have gone for. Until of course Schu the thug cut down even though he knew he was out of the race with a damaged car.
I think as soon as Michael knew his car was damaged, he was thinking about putting Hill into the wall.
rubbish
Yep,that's the way he was..he cheated the whole of 94,illegal electronics,illegal fuel valve...he should've been stripped of that title..he also attempted to turn into villeneuve in 97 but failed...cheat! Now he wears a nappy and cant remember his own name...cheats never prosper they say
@@magillanz totally agree..joke of a pilot,although his dad was really good...schumi beaten by a total novicey driver..and a mediocre one to...hill wasnt much better,a number 2 to prost n senna, no mansell or piquet..yet schumi still lost 2 championships to weak drivers..he's a cheat,i dont like him
@@u-tubefakefootyfansmakemep579 fuck you,someone better fuck you up.
@@u-tubefakefootyfansmakemep579 I don"t say this easy as i met Shui by chance outside racing and we chatted with humour . But he was a cheat and was allowed to get away with many happenings .
Like you said @Driver61, Schumi knew right away after he hit the wall that his car was broken. He was making all kinds of corrections to even keep it straight. So the issue as to whether he had the corner was pointless. He was going to have to retire the car regardless so his only option was to turn in and put Hill in a compromising position. Not cool on Schumi's part
Load of BS. Take your stupid helmet off! It was the same situation with Prost and Senna in Suzuka. James Hunt said it and he was right: Prost had all rights to close the door. And same with Schumacher! I don't understand all the stupid gibberish these days, ah, not cool from Schumi, not cool - it was racing, you knucklehead - and stop the hypocrisy!
@@jigglediggle29 Hear hear....
It obviously was very cool, he was unpunished and became World Champ. Schumacher cares not what he is accused of, if, as he did comes out of this unpunished, he wins. In 39 years time, the champion will be Michael Schumacher, no mention of cheating. To be a great champion in any top motor sport the win at all costs mindset is vital
The opposite was what many say the greatest driver never to be crowned champion. Stirling Moss was given the chance of winning the title, his challenger for the crown had been disqualified and could not race. Moss asked for him to be reinstated but was turned down. He refused to race and never became World Champion.
BLN77 definitely not the same as Senna and Prost. Prost didn’t have the right to close the door by turning into senna before the corner. If he wanted to defend the inside, he needed to be there before Senna, not after. Regardless, Shumi wasn’t protecting his line. He was protecting his race because his race was over after an off. At least RUclips found the one Prost supporter. 😎
@@AJDerzie It was the same, but you can't understand it, simple as that.
I got to watch Schumacher live in Montreal his first year with Benetton. I remember everyone talking about him as a possible champion even then. Went back to Montreal every year until about 2002. At one race, I was sitting on the straight very close to turn one, and watched him take out Nigel Mansell. I don't remember what year that was, 1991? 1992?
Edit: Now I remember, it was 92'. Schumacher came in second, with Gerhard Berger winning the race.
Shame there is no clear video record (however photos are available) of Mansell and Senna incident from beginning of the race which ended Nigel's race.
Schumacher had been involved in a few convenient collisions, and throughout this particular season Benetton had been penalised a few takes as described here (some may say harshly). But there is no smoke without fire. It seemed to be the mentality of their whole team 🤷🏻♂️
Good analysis but we all know that it was really the doing of Pastor Maldonado
They both got PM'ed!
WTF u talkin about m8
U know its blasphemy to say that out loud
U cant say that shit dude
May the racing gods hav mercy on you
Crashtor didn't have anything to do, he said he sweared he didn't!
underrated
U can't dispute micheal was good.
But his win at any cost attitude made him a wanker.
Max verstappen is a classic example of how to be a good driver but be hated
Kris A No one hated Max..He was reckless and took a few guys out and rightfully he pissed off some people..Now he's matured and knows his limitations No doubt hes a very talented driver quite possibly a future champ
Kris A - Ah, that attitude made him a wanker? Then it's the same with Prost and Senna, you wanker, simple as that.
@@josephcoleman57 Do you still have that opinion after Austria? His move wasn't dirty, but he appeared to make sure to wait so late to turn into the corner that Leclerc had to run off the road. I like Max very much - he is a phenomenally gifted driver, so I am not in the hate camp, but I was surprised he got away with that move.
@@stevecuss6723 good move by schumacher in my book. also am i the only one who thinks the video could have been considerably shorter? i can admit i am in the hate max camp. as for the leclerc move, what would leclerc have done if there was a wall there? i know there was no wall but if the tracks were less forgiving instead of having large runoffs leclerc would have either had to back out of it or turn into max. which would have been the better choice as far as i am concerned. he should have eliminated max and himself. max is a very good driver.
It is called attacking and defending for a reason
When your ahead of the other car or in the better track position your the one in the lead,the following always hase to brake when it looks like it whill become a collision...... So yeah austria Leclerc whas his own fault, in silverstone Leclerc did the same thing and it then whas Verstappen his fault
Simple as that
Never hit a other car and always keep in mind who is the leading car by the rules
I remember watching this race and when Schumacher was in front of Hill I was thinking "Hill can't pass, there's no way Schumacher will let him through, he'd rather crash him out of race", that based on the (very own) opinion I had of Schumacher at the time, and then, the moment Schumacher went into the wall "if he gets back in the track, he's getting Hill", and then "Yep, exactly."
Which proves nothing at all, but for the fact that I expected the result that happened to happen because of my prejudice and bias.
We don't know went on in Schumacher head, or Hill's.
For sure, Schumacher had no reason in the world to give way to Hill, and he was not going to do it there. And Hill was almost naive to think otherwise, if he did.
But the point is all that was really fast for both, and it might be wrong to assume that for them it was a reasoned decision to do what they did.
In term of Boyd's OODA decision model, it is very likely that action was decided in large part by orientation, not by conscious deliberate analysis, given the time constrain.
So, likely, Schumacher orientation was "He can't overtake me: me first or we both out are the good results", and Hill's orientation was "I have to overtake him at all costs".
And that combination is bound to produce its own solution... in Schumacher's favor.
The only way Hill had to change the result was to play cool-headed, not going for the overtake, press, induce an error and go clean through it.
But what happened shows he was not oriented this way (I was not expecting him to be, this is my biased interpretation again, he was under pressure, he did not look at the time cool enough to do it), and played Schumacher's game.
If hill had stayed behind at that point, and Schumacher had been able to continue driving the damaged car, chances are, he would of taken hill out further up the track somewhere when hill did try to pass. Schumacher had no intention of letting hill finish that race, if he was able to stop him in anyway, its been proven beyond any doubt.
@@quickgoanna So the right strategy for Hill is to wait and win with a quicker pit stop - likely possible given Benneton would have had to take the time to assess damage once Schumi pitted.
@@psychohist correct. If your opponent is coming back on off that corner you have to assume he's hit the wall. Don't dive up the inside, wait either for a straight (based on race driver here there's no way he's fast enough or able to worry about Hill on those) or the pits if he has damage he'll be going in and you'll win. If not going into pits he's gone off once with an undamaged car you then start pumping those lap times until he goes off again or you get a tow down the straight.
Don't forget Schumachers attempt to secure Pole Position at Monaco 2006 by blocking the track to his main rival Fernando Alonso. That was deliberate. What is amazing is that although he was relegated to the back of the grid as punishment he still finished 5th which is extraordinary on a track we associate with almost zero overtaking. He was undoubtedly a genius behind the wheel of a F1 car, but a flawed one in my opinion, which is a bit sad in view of his situation today.
...'his situation today'..? He's dead (may be rest in peace).
@@BGone-mb7wz Reports of his death are somewhat exaggerated. He is not in a good way, but beyond that I doubt you nor I really know.
B. Gone he’s still alive, maybe look into a little before spreading misinformation.
yeah im sad about that but im pretty sure nico rosberg did that, if schumacher just accepted p2 i think he couldve won the race imo
Schumacher > Palonso
Formula 1 fans these days are going crazy about Hamilton saying Ferrari uses tricks or if Verstappen shows emotion and shoves someone, but praise Schumacher. Now in no way I critize Schumi or approve physical contact or cheating, but it’s weird for me. If Schumi is a legend for almost every motorsport fan, why are people calling for Verstappen being banned for showing emotion or Hamilton making a controversial comment? I think everyone is making such a big deal out of everything these days, while loving what happend 20 or 30 years back? It’s a bit hypocritical in my opinion and it annoys the crap out of me.
Great analysis, I love to see al the tiny things that lead up to such a controversial moment.
The problem of Max is he came to F1 too early, he should've spent more time in GP2, but yeah we need more alive driver with real emotion not robots.
Amir Bright Yeah, he was so young when he came to F1 that all of his learning was done in F1. So all the mistakes that a “normal” driver would have made in a lower formulas that would go unnoticed, he had to learn that under the spotlights on the highest level. I don’t think Max was too young when he came to F1, because he delivered instantly, but the he was early on in his learning and maturing process and that’s why he had more controversy around him. Because he was still so young and didn’t have the experience he was and is critized a lot more. In the end I don’t think Max came in to early because he a mega talent, but do think that people need to realize he’s only just 21 and that all his learning theoughout his career had to be done in F1.
There is no denying that Shumi was a great driver but I think many many fans are willing to admit that he was over the top at times and that he did step on a few people on his way to the top
too many soyboys these days
Schumi is not a hero to many. I respect him for his focus and love of the sport. But his win at all costs left little doubt that he would cheat and take any advantage to beat a better driver on the day. Benetton were huge cheaters.
It would be stupid to think that Schumacher didn't expect Hill to try to make a pass after he brushed the wall and was off momentum. He deliberately put the car there, knowing exactly that Hill will be there. He knew his race was over and the only option he had, is to make sure that Hill race is over.
He was in front and had all right to take line.
Hill didn't even pass 1/3 of his car.
Great video! This incident has always fascinated me because it's not so clear-cut has Jerez 97. Tend to think Schumacher must have just been reacting purely on instinct and tried to cover off the inside line (even though he surely knew his car was broken), it was a matter of a couple of seconds and perhaps (had it made it through the next corner) it would have been enough time passed to realise his race was done. Tragedy for Hill to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, if only he'd waited one more corner! But as you say he didn't know that Schumacher's car was broken (there's a good F1 podcast with Hill where he talks about the incident) and he says he didn't regret what happened. Weird in the context of the championship as well, as you showed at the start, Schumacher would have walked home to the title had any number of things not happened. Just think about the worn plank at Spa, which was from running off the track during the race. Had he won there the Australian race wouldn't have been for the title anyway (even with the two race ban and the British GP DQ).
there is a huge difference between blocking a pass and a deliberate crash
It wasn't only the fact that he had traction-control, launch-control, illegal clutch and a munipulated refueling-system, it is his lack of sportsmanship!
The best racing-driver that came out of Germany was Stefan Bellof, not Schummel-Schumi!
Don't understand all the comparisons to modern drivers, pre-1997 and post-1997 Formula 1 are two completely different eras. Everything changed when the FIA decided collisions to win championships were a problem.
Also, I don't understand everyone's affection for the word 'dirty' when it comes to Schumacher and its absence for Senna and Prost.
Senna and prost were both dirty to each other so it evens out lol. Hill was never dirty to schumacher that i know of.
They’re like mad man... sometimes doing something that could endanger others just to win a race.
But Senna got away with it with his passing. In my opinion, he is and was not the best driver ever. But his ending and the stories told after were so many that he eventually became the best driver.
He’s great don’t get me wrong. I just wouldn’t call him best and not clean either.
@@zurus172 Crashing into schumacher in england in 1995, blocking schumacher on purpose so he would lose the title in 1997, when he blocked schumacher at japans grand prix when he was lapped but refused to let schumacher past and he had to overtake him, just so Ficishella would win the race and schumacher to score less points. Have more examples but that will do, Hill was dirty back to schumacher. ;)
The existence of other dirty drivers doesn't excuse Schumacher from being guilty of crashing into another car, on purpose, to prevent his mistake from costing the championship.
Whenever we try to find excuses for bad behavior just because "everyone did it", we legitimize those behaviors as normal. They shouldn't be.
@@judgedeath3 i meant before this, i should have specified 😅
thought I knew this story really well, but didn’t know half that background. Killer job
A bit more of Schumachers background for you, just one more time! of the many times he has done similar, all in all a fruit cake, and nothing less. " ruclips.net/video/6AzpYilkKrA/видео.html "
Indeed, the most comprehensive analysis of this incident I have ever seen. Congratulations!
The thing that makes Schumacher probably guilty of taking Hill out on purpose, was his 1997 incident, which clearly showed Schumacher deliberately trying to take out Jacque Villeneuve, trying to deny the Canadian his first title
I’m sure Damon Rothmans forgave Michael Benetton in the end.
Forgiveness? Schadenfreude, more like.
100% deliberate and intended "You Shall Not Pass" block. BUT that said, I still don't begrudge Schumacher the title that season - he was by far the best driver and the championship only came down to the final race because of the FIA banning Schumacher for 3 races, a penalty that would be unimaginable today.
Have to admit, you make a good point there....
Very good point, but if I do recall correctly this isn't the only incident like this Shumy has been responsible for...
PIT - Name them then. The absolutely factual, no doubt ones.
And then also provide the percentage of those factual ones based on his 306 races.
Van, could you imagine the outcry if Hamilton or Verstappen got banned for 3 races today?
In fact, if Hamilton ever even got a penalty at all, which he never does. He pushed his car on the track himself during qualifying last year in the German GP and NOTHING was done, unbelievable, and then completely illegally drove across the pit entrance road back onto the track during the race, just as one example, or rather 2 for that one race. If most of the other drivers fart too loudly they get a grid penalty at the minimum.
Banned for 3 racines for cheating as stated in the footage shown!!!!!!
He did on many occasions . He most Definetly did not half the championships that is on his record .
Great analysis. As someone who watched it at the time, I was always I always in the Schumacher cheated camp. I’m not so sure now. Was he just fighting the car round the corner as an instinctive racer would, was he blocking hopping his car was still drivable? You’ve planted seeds of doubt. Also I’ve always wondered why did Damon not wait? The answer being he wouldn’t have known if the Benetton was damaged or not and this could be his only chance to get round.
See I think Damon went for the move because he didn't expect Schumacher's car to actually make it round the corner. Basically, Damon could've thought to himself that Schumacher is going straight on to pull over and retire, not continue to turn in, which is probably why Damon got spooked and locked up when he went up the inside; also suggesting why he didn't wait to pass as he didn't think he'd continue. Either way I believe Michael knew exactly what he was doing and knew that he couldn't continue so turned to this a solution. Just my idea.
he tryied to the same on JACQUES VILLENEUVE 1997 JEREZ Europe Grand-Prix ..... i am so glad he missed .... and for a cheater ,,,, he deserve where he is now .. HA HA HA
@@jeanluke39 no need to out yourself as a cunt with that last part
@@ethanhulme2564 why should he wait with the pass, how should he know SCH will deliberately take him out
@@kangarht well he wouldn’t have known at the time. Schumacher’s first time doing it lol
Crashing into other people intentionally is definitely not ok.
Schumi had no business trying to take that corner in a damaged car.
I wouldn't condemn that. Every racing driver worth his salt would try to race even on 2 wheels if they have to. If you follow motorsports the way I used to you would see all sorts of crazy stuff. Example Gronholm would finish the stage and then go on a drive his car on three wheels and dragging the car to the service point on public roads until the police stopped him. Loeb the same thing but the police escorted him instead. There are countless examples of drivers trying to finish the race with limping cars and also try to be competitive in them. One of my earliest memories was in Cyprus Rally i think 89' a local crew, the driver would sit on the engine bay with the hood open to hold wiring together while the co-driver would drive the car to the end of the stage to reach the service point. They reached the service point and then went on to get a podium finish. ruclips.net/video/2fJP1d2Fo-w/видео.html
as a former driver I can tell you that you cant finish in a car that is rear steering in two different directions
@@christoforospaphitis4090
@@MrFosterj Man I know that, I was also driving but he had only milliseconds to drive henceforth, perhaps he didn't realize the extend of the damage at that split second and was just reacting to the car
FIA had no business giving him penalties that year and gifting Hill 40 points on the platter. Hill was so good he only beat Michael in 3 races that year and even those were in the dubious circumstances. In fact the only race where Hill genuinely beat and outpaced Michael was in Suzuka. So whats your point? Had Hill won it would he the biggest robberies in the sport..
Between him and his team manager flavio briatore they where absolute cheaters.. in every aspect of the game .
He did the same with Villeneuve , he is one of the dirtiest drivers, even later in his career when he nearly bollocked his former teammate Barrichello.
Knowing now that Schumacher was an extremely competent driver, he didn't go on the racing line with a busted car. He was aiming.
@KoivuTheHab That's literally what I said.
@KoivuTheHab The competence in question was not about driving skill, but about knowing how the car feels at an instant something is wrong. It's about his decision to return the racing line KNOWING that there is something wrong with his car, not by fucking accident.
Your behaviour is what is abysmal. So why don't you shut the fuck up and go back to the basement you crawled out of.
@KoivuTheHab You're just pathetic. The end.
Thanks for the analysis, Scott. I think Schumacher knew his car was doomed and crashed against Hill on purpose. I believe the pitwall could have radioed Hill to advise him to wait and I also believe that Hill wouldn’t have gone inside if he was a little bit more experienced at the time.
I can also see why someone like Frank Williams wouldn’t protest, I think the whole Williams F1 team just wanted to move on from that season and their driver also didn’t finish, meaning FIA would have to disqualify Schumacher from the whole championship for Hill to win it.
disagree no time to radio
I agree except the radio part. Shit year for hill and worse year for Williams.
History repeated in 2018 when Verstappen could have held back but went for it and, out of race.
If Hill had held back he would have won!
If he'd have realised what a cheating bastard Schumacher was he WOULD have held back.
Everybody's debating on what Schumi did, but nobody talks about Hill being hot-headed and impatient, instead of being careful and capitalizing on Schumi having dirty tires - which was what he knew for sure - on the next straight.
He may be hot headed but hill wasn't a cheat unlike Schumacher who was the school playground bully
Exactly. Clearly he is trying to overtake without any chance to do so. If Schumacher is coming from the grass (and possibly damaged), you should never try that suicidal overtake, just wait for the next straight.
@@miguelangelparra5429 He wasn't clearly damaged though. Hill didn't see the damage or the incident and since Schumacher knew he was out, he took Hill with him and won the championship dirtily
@@ronan1686 if you see someone coming from the grass, you can suspect it. Anyway, if you try to overtake in a place where you don't fit, instead of getting ready to do it in the straight, that was easier damaged or not, you're not a good driver at all.
It probably also didn’t help that Damon during the course of 1994 was seen as indecisive and cautious in passing lapped traffic, more often than not it helped increase the gap to Michael ahead even more during the races and he wanted to show he could be decisive as well in this very moment. Sadly the wrong choice but hindsight is cheating :)
CSI Adelaide! great footage, and still, even with this on screen to see, hung jury? Great drivers, both. So happy Damon got his Champion title in '96.
"Did Schumacher Cheat?" Yes he did, throughout his racing career as any internet search will show. In this instance he would have known straight away his race was over and his duty was simple, slow down, keep out of the way of other cars and try to avoid causing an accident.
Yeah surely you would do that when fighting for the f1 championship. Just get out of the way to your rival and let him win it. Sure haha
@@florianslomke7332 Then he shouldn't have crashed the car into the wall. he made a mistake, and when it was clear he was going to lose he took out his main competitor. this is not racing, this is a raw example of bad sportsmanship and a bad loser. he got away with it on that occasion, but the future showed everyone he was a dirty driver. there are many examples out there, 97 Jerez against JV and 2010 against Barrichello are just a few. unless you are blind Schumacher fanboy, the facts are crystal clear.
@@florianslomke7332 he still lost it. 97 jerez was so sweet.
@@florianslomke7332 Some people have a thing called morals, obviously you don't.
Same goes with Alonso in 2008 ....nelson piquet Jr helped him deliberately crash to gain advantage ... and in 2007 qualifying Alonso blocking Hamilton in the pits...what was the reason.. it was frustrating Hamilton was faster than him ..
It was pay back for Alonso . Hamilton held up Alonso on his quick lal so Alonso besided that Hamilton had to pay so Alonso sat in the pits while Hamilton had to sit and wait.Alonso timed it so that Hamilton could not get another lap in. During qualifying it us illegal to hold anither car up that us dojng a quick lap. The offender looses their best lap of the session. Alonso knew that the FIA would not get involved in an jntr team scrap so he took ut upon him self to dish out the punishment. Hamilton got what he deserved. He was in his rookie year and should just let Alonso go but he dusided not to and the team in fighting cost tge team the championship. I would live to se hiw Hamilton would react go being messed around with by a rookie team mate. Hamilton should of done what Villeneuve did in 1979 and shown some class and followed his team leader . Villeneuve could have won the championship that tear, all he had to do was pass Jody Schekter at Monza which he could of done because he was faster and then won the championship at Watkins Glen. Hamilton was to greedy showed a total lack of character and it cost the team a championship and money that went along with being the chamoion.
The simple fact is that if Schumacher knew he was damaged and not able to maintain pace as the lead anymore, he should have taken the outside line, not fought to defend the corner. He pulled out into the flow knowing he wasn't at speed and knowing Hill would be right behind him at-pace, and when that didn't cause an accident, he then fought the corner, squeezing Hill with nowhere to go when he already knew he was too damaged to compete anymore. It was all intentional.
One thing you've not picked up on is Schumi looking for Hill's car at the point of contact, almost as if to make sure he hits him.
i don't think there's any reason to believe he didn't do it on purpose
he had nothing to lose and everything to win. and he lost the fair race so might go for the crash and have a chance. just like senna had done in the past and he would do again in 97. really makes the f1 drama these look petty. i wish the sport would grow some balls again but i guess balls are out of fashion.
Ye Prost did it first, and Senna was simply thing him karma, like Villenueve and the FIA did.
Agreed.
There is no doubt in my mind that Schumacher did it intentionally. As an Aussie at the race I remember that quite vividly and was not impressed. A great talent but I never liked him because of his dirty driving tactics and during his career he showed us plenty of that. He didn't need to do that and for me it blemishes his integrity as a truly great F1 driver. Having said that, everyone makes mistakes that they regret in hindsight. His family has had to endure much pain since his accident and no one would wish that upon anyone. You are forgiven Michael and our prayers are with you and your family.
I'm sorry about his subsequent skiing accident and I wouldn't wish it on anyone but it has no bearing on whether he should be forgiven for his lack of integrity as a racing driver.
Caption of the 11:35 photo : "On the right side, this is me winning my first F1 championship".
I never realized until now that Schumacher forced Hill to slam the brakes when re-entering the track. That part was worthy of a slap on the wrist. That being said, it certainly wasn't worthy of the kind of penalty that would have changed the outcome of the World Championship at the end of the day. The actual contact: Pure racing incident, in my opinion. Yes, Schumacher would have probably tried to take Hill out either way, but Hill did him a favour by diving in like that. Schumacher was entitled to take the racing line. Hill came from too far back and should have known that Schumacher had zero incentive to yield. Then again, as pointed out in the video, Hill couldn't know that there was damage to Schumacher's car. He must have thought this is his one chance to take the championship, so his racing instinct told him to go for that ever closing gap. It wasn't the finest hour of either driver. Schumacher threw the championship away by hitting the wall in the first place, and then Hill gifted it back to him. I guess that's what the pressure of being in your first title decider does.
And then he gets so mad at Coulthard
This is one of motor racing's 'if only's', if Hill had only been a couple of seconds further behind, he would have seen Schumacher was crippled, and would have passed him for the win on the next straight, as it was Hill thought 'he's off...this maybe my ONLY chance to pass him!'
Hill was in my humble opinion a bit timid when it came to overtaking, and I think this led him into trying to pass too soon. Nice guy to chat with though!
Now..... did Schumacher as a last resort try take Hill out?..............you know if it had been any other driver than Schumacher, I would have said 'racing accident', but as others have pointed out Schumacher wasn't shy of driving dirty if he thought he had to.
There have been too many instances of this during his career, think of when he deliberatly tried to take out Villeneuve, or when he tried to put Barrichello into the pit wall, or when he 'parked' his car at Monaco and many other incidents.
Also Schumacher had a VERY quick racing brain,...he would have worked it out that his only chance for the title that year was to take Hill out as well, (a bit like I belive what Prost did to Senna at Suzuka)
A Shame he was like that, because he was a superb 'all round driver'...but he was TOO ruthless....and that's why in my opinion the F1 racing world sees him as statistically the most successfull F1 driver of all time ...........BUT not the best
Mika Häkkinen was his greatest rival
intentional move by Schumacher. He was like that: an exceptional pilot who didn't respect any rule. The championship was stolen.
I remember him trying to do the same with Villeneuve and putting out Frentzen by purpouse under yellow flag unsanctioned.
And also trying the same thing with Rubens barrichello in 2010, when he (Schumacher) was just an average driver floating around in the middle of the pack. ruclips.net/video/6AzpYilkKrA/видео.html
Brilliant video. A whole incident from the moment when Shumi left the track, to contact with Hill lasted 6s. It took you 11min and 51 sec. to analyse it. Slow-motion. Different camera angles and after 26 years, we are still not sure what really happened.
No. They didn't know either. Whatever they said. You fight till the end. Racing incident. Notty, but incident.
Is this really a question? Are there people who honestly have any doubt? Are they blind or something.
He went straight into Demon Hill, is not as if you can see it any other way. I mean it was recorded on tape
Yeah there are people who actually judge from what they see and not from "he cheated other times so he must have cheated there too"
This is one of the reasons that Schmacher's claim for being one of the Greatest is diminished. Never been a fan and never will rate him higher than Senna, Hakkinen, Prost or now Hamilton.
Who else has been disqualified and banned for this number of races and go on to win the F1 Championship.
Senna also wasn't a clean driver.
Driving into Prost's car in Suzuka in 1990 and pushing Prost to the wall in Portugal in 1988.
Both weren't angels.
Senna was as dirty as Schumacher if not more. Hamilton ain't an angel either
Yeah...see that's the problem there. That he was even IN the Championship contention after being disqualified from what....4 or 5 races...and still could win?? That's what made him a great driver..
@@Malcolm_H1 Hamilton scum??
What a nice person you are.
Hamilton has never won a championship by colliding with his opponent.
Hamilton has never insisted that he has preferential 1st driver status in his contract - all he has asked for is equality in equipment and opportunity with his team mates.
I have never seen him object to anyone being his team mate - not matter what their talent.
In all honesty it is relatively rare for Hamilton to collide with anyone ( and before you start mention this instances when he has - I am not claiming he has never done so )
The day he exceeds Schumacher's records will be the best thing for F1.
Spiel Boy complete and utter bullshit what you produced right there
I think after four unfair desqualifications Schummy wasn't just let go an championship that Damon wasn't supposed to be challenging...
I because of that FIA did nothing about it
it was after the incedent schumi stood behind the barrier trying with all his might to look bereft but he had his smug mode engaged and it was still set at 11 his body and arms were doing all the right things but his face just refused to join in and was firmly stuck in smug mode.
This has been gone over a million times . Schu knew Hill was there and turned into him.
No doubt. And he tried the same move again through the years
Can't believe you are even asking the question. Of course Schumacher took Hill out, this is backed up by the fact that he tried (unsuccesfully) to do the exact same thing to Jacques Villeneuve in 1997. The man was great racing driver but also a cheat and I for one can't wait for Hamilton to eclipse him
All drivers to questionable stuff even Hamilton. It is just fans never see it when there favorite driver does it. Look at Hamilton at the Canadian GP in i think 2015 when he clearly ran Rosburg off the track in turn 2. Rosburg also did dirty moves to Hamilton in other races. You give me any driver and I can find examples of them doing dirty or just dumb moves.
Whenever a murderer picks a fight with someone it'a definitely attempted murder because he did that before!
Hamilton will never come close. Schumacher rose to fame in a benetton which was way worse than the competition's cars. Hamilton started his career in one of the fastest teams. Want to know how good a car was Schumacher drove? Look at his team mates' times. The rest was all Schumacher. Hamilton won't be able to do anything if he wasn't in a German car either. Pommies should just stay home and leave the racing for real men, lmfao
That's a great deal of explanation that avoids one simple fact: If Shumie knew his car was damaged, why was he trying to drive it into the apex? Of course he did this on purpose. He knew Hill was coming immediately after he made the mistake going into the previous turn. He knew the title was on the line, and he knew Hill would be taking it. Every great racing driver is a bit ruthless. Just ask Senna.
Back in the day I thought it was just a race incident but seeing what Schumacher did over the years I'm now positive that Schumacher caused the collision on purpose.
B737FLY Schumacher was faster than Hill and therefore on skill alone deserved to be world champion than year BUT he definitely drove into Hill when his race was clearly done. No respect from me. Loads of haters of Hamilton out there but I’ve never seen him resort to the sort of tactics Michael did in his career. Argue all you want about having the best equipment in his career but he has had some pretty talented teammates over the years and he is a five time, looking like six times world champ.
@@nikmerry5174To say he was faster is not something you can really do, the Benetton had multiple cheats, they should've gotten banned, same with Schumi for his deliberate crash.
I remember watching this race live in the wee small hours as a young man and Damon fan, although I was gutted to see Hill knocked out of the race by some rather questionable driving on Schumacher’s part, in retrospect I regard this incident as having been a momentous crash that became a legendary part of F1 history, it was an exciting time to be a fan of the sport and an era that I lament as having passed, especially when contrasted against today’s dull-fest.
Negative Camber
Schumacher knew exactly what he had to do to prevent Hill from winning the championship and that was to take Hill out. Although Schumacher is no doubt a brilliant driver he is never the less a dirty driver and definitely deserves the title CHEATING CHAMPION.
Bruce Plumley You write the truth.
Billy, you're another pissed off Brit trying to change history.
Google "Who was the 1994 World Formula 1 Driving Champion"
The answer ISN'T Damon Hill, lol.
PS: How come people accuse Schumacher of cheating, mention "He used Traction Control!!" ... but never mention the car was designed, built and developed by the British, in England with a British Team Engineer and British Pit Crew?
It goes without saying if Bennetton were cheating, it was the British who were actually cheating.
@@markmark5269
Pot,kettle,black, calling somebody else a mouthy c**t is the height of ironic.
You are clearly a big Michael Schmacher fan & seem to spend an exorbitant amount of time posting similar comments on RUclips trying to cleanse the name of an obviously fast but flawed genius.
There are simply too many controversies involving Michael to ignore no matter how hard you try.
Your controversies, your opinions created in your mind without facts other than 2 FIA verified incidents, in the meantime I'll rest with facts.
And I am resting at the moment, that's why I have plenty of time to point out facts to those trying to change history.
Not so much a Schumacher fan as disgusted by the british, as i mentioned, constantly trying to change history to suit themselves.
Now you British want to talk about Lewis Hamilton's 2nd place in 2007 and winning the World Championship in 2008 in a cheat car, a cheat car proven and verified by the FIA themselves - no, didn't think so....
McLaren were removed from the manufacturer's standings for having a cheat car, fined $100 million, but not the drivers, however ask any British person about the 1994 and Schumacher in an allegedly cheat car, with no proof, and they go off their tree about it.
Oh and IF the 1994 Bennetton was a cheat car... The car was British designed, British built, British developed, British run, British Pit Crew, British Head engineer .... The British posters don't much want to mention that either, I mean it's like Schumacher designed, built, developed, pit crewed the car all by himself ...
What's c**t? Are you try to spell cunt, cunt?
@@markmark5269 Who Won WWII? And who caused it? It just seems to be in Germany's nature to cheat and try to take what they don't deserve. Maybe not today, but at least to the point of when these incidents occurred. Sorry Germany, but for the rest of time, you will never be able to claim moral superiority in any category for the rest of time. Although we thank you for some recent contributions.
Funny how every vid I’ve seen of this it doesn’t show MSC taking the 1st left hander this is disgusting & he shouldn’t of been aloud a championship title for this what went on in the background between Bernie & Fabio???
I thought at the time it was Michael's fault and i still believe most if not all of the incident was his fault you only need to look at the final race in the season Villeneuve won to see it was deliberate because he tried it again but this time he failed.
Shumi was a dirty driver
Like Prost and Senna, you dirty knucklehead.
@@jigglediggle29 Prost and Senna were never dirty or well known blatant cheaters
@@rswpt senna blatantly took out prost to win a title
Schumi is a legend
but also a champion. everyone could have been a dirty like him
Schumacher took him out when he realised his race was over. It's that simple!!!
If that was Ricciardo or Hamilton in Hills position they would have made the overtake
Ummmm no.... Schumi's car was crazy and unbalanced.... Collision was inevitable
Yeah mate, hes gonna risk his life to stop hill from overtaking in their first F1 season 🤦♂️ for God's sake. What a ridiculous take you have.
@@Arirezz Schumacher's car was damaged so he couldn't finish the race. Schumacher obviously knew that as he was driving it, and did the only thing he could do to try and prevent Hill going on to win the Championship. As for risking his life, every time he gets into a formula 1 car ( especially back then compared to 2020) he's risking his life you simpleton. Stop being so biased. Just believe your eyes!!
He doesn't know if his front suspension is damaged, so he might have turned too much cause he expected understeer, these are incidents you can't really say black or white
I'd call it a racing accident, Schumacher didn't have to close the door like this, but who'd not do it in a title fight against a opponent with a car that would be up and away?
Hill went for a gap against one of the hardest to overtake opponents, which is pretty much what drivers do.
I'd blame William's garage, because radio communication was allowed back then and they had live TV. At the speed Hill was closing, even without further damage on Michaels car, he would have been able to overtake him.
Compare the likes of Schumacher,and Senna to Sir Stirling Moss. Moss never quite won the World Championship but has an enduring legacy as a gentleman and sportsman. Schumacher, Senna (among others) will always be remember for their dubious antics.
If Hill used a bit of common sense and held back a bit Hill would of won simple
Exactly what I just typed
are you a racer? I'm not but you should know the breed, they never lift off, wait for another, chance!
I watched a video today of Miki Hakonen explaining to schu what he did wrong in the begium Gp which was pretty much the same thing. Michaels repy was "thats racing" As mikki explained he was prepared to break the rules ans was prepared to take the penalties. Miki also stated the schu like racing him because he new he would play by the rules but only one of us felt this way.
Great analysis. You pointed out some great info. I do think Schumacher was very cunning with what he was doing even if he had limited control and a genuine fault.
He should've been sanctioned for bringing a broken car back on track and weaving around in the path of other drivers, let alone deliberately crashing into them.
I was 7 years old when this happened I knew then he cheated. And I know now
I like you presented the whole season or the whole situation. Because this incident has deeper roots like Silverstone that year.
After all these years I still believe Hill was too impetuous to go for the move at the very next corner. Great analysis.
hill didnt have 30 years to ponder, he only saw SCH slowing down and a huge gap.
@@kangarht fast driver. Just didn't have the race smarts. Didn't come from car racing background.
I remember seeing this, Schumacher turned in deliberately in a last desperate act, he could have easily and more safely turned left instead of right.
he could have. but why should he if a championship is at stake?
Yeah, crazy, he drove like the championship was at stake. Oh wait... All sportsmen will play dirty if they are within reach of the highest championship possible. Every. Single. One.
Schumacher had the racing line and was half a car length ahead. He had every right to dictate the corner.
@@twanvanderdonk2504 dont bring down everyone to cheater SCH level, simply not true
@@kangarht There is not a single F1 racer that wouldn't risk it all for the championship mate. Not a single one. Most of them can afford to play fair, because they have no shot at a championship.
Hard to tell but Michael was a dirty driver willing to win at all costs so I lean towards it being intentional. Honestly Michael was also one of the fastest, hardest working and smartest drivers as well, but his sense of fair play was always lacking. We know he drove into the side of Jacques Villeneuve very intentionally, so it was certainly in him to do it.
I've always said it was Damon's fault, just because that gap was ALWAYS going to close. Its a corner apex, that is where the drivers aim for. We keep on seeing it, whoever stuff their nose in is at fault, Shumacher was still in front.
All in all, Hill should've waited. Regardless of possible damages, Hill knew Schumacher had dirty tyres, so he should've been patient and careful in that corner.
I bowed Schumi then and bowed him ever since. The Villeneuve attack 2 years later was not a coincidence.
It was in 1997, not 1996. Schumacher was a driver from the past, other guys like Prost and Senna got away with it, i think that's the reason why he did it again in 1997.