Secrets to Winning in the Wet (Explained)
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2018
- Racing in the wet is one of the biggest challenges a driver will face, and one that as fans, we all love to watch. It’s the great leveller of machinery and the moment when great F1 drivers can outshine their cars, showing off their incredible feel and car control.
Think Schumacher in Spain in '96, Hamilton at Silverstone in '08, Senna at Monaco in '84, Senna at Donington in '93 or, Senna any time it happened to rain. Or, as it happens, any other time.
Today, I’m going to explain why racing in the wet is such a challenge and the techniques great F1 drivers use - to extract the most from their machinery in rainy conditions.
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Senna.
Current drivers with recent wet races: Hamilton, Verstappen 2016 Brazil was unrreal.
Jim Clark.
John Raudat I agree 2016 Brazil was a crazy rain race.
Aidan Keogh: Jim Clarks car was very different than today's, so I don't think you can fairly compare them.
@@SteveMHN You can't compare Senna and Hamilton then. They are from different eras.
Aidan Keogh: You're right, you can't compare Senna's Mclaren to Hamiltons modern car, but they're far more similar than Jim Clarks Lotus. I think it's only fair to judge drivers and cars from the same era.
Senna, hands down.
Senna and Schumacher were the greatest wet weather drivers ever. That basically makes them the best F1 drivers ever.
Senna could beat a rally driver on wet tarmac.
Hamilton is up there too
Whys nobody mention Bellofs Monaco effort that day?
Fax
Jim Clark won in 1963 at a very rainy Spa-Francorchamps (14.1 km layout). He started in P8 and passed all cars ahead of him and finished in P1 almost 5 min ahead of Bruce McLaren in P2. If there is a better performance in the rain (with great respect to Senna and Hamilton), I cannot tell what it would be.
In F1 it seems that the best drivers come to the front in the wet, but in MotoGP it seems that the best wet weather riders are not necessarily the best riders. Yes, wet weather will change the order up and slow bikes and teams can suddenly find themselves in the lead, but it's interesting that the same riders always go well in the wet regardless of which team they are riding, but those same riders aren't always the best. Jack Miller is the best current wet weather rider in MotoGP, but in the dry he is well beaten even by team mates on the same bike. Chris Vermulen was similar in the 2000's. Conversely, one of the best riders, Jorge Lorenzo, is terrible in the wet even though he consistently outperformed Rossi as a team mate in the dry. The likes of Marc Marquez and Rossi aren't exactly rain masters either (although much better than Lorenzo). Good wet weather rider doesn't mean good dry weather rider. But in F1 the two seem to line up more.
That's because in F1 there is more of a constructors performance gap, and when it rains, it is an equalizer for the drivers as they can't push their respective cars to the limit. So skill is a more important contributor in wet races. In motopg/wsb etc riding style will show it's advantages/disadvantages depending on the conditions.
Rossi was very good in the wet…
@@Anteater23 not really mate
@@tosgem He definitely was. Remember Silverstone 2015 ?
Jackie Stewarts epic win at the 'Green Hell' in 1968 is worth a mention - 4 mins ahead of the second place in wet conditions that would have had a GP cancelled now days.
I loved watching Barrichello in the wet. A pity he's so underated
Totally agree. Legends say He learned from Senna the secrets of wet driving.
Definitely either Senna or Schumacher, potentially Jim Clark in his era too
I just want to express mt gratitude to your videos. You are doing a fantastic job improving everytime. The visual quality of today's vid is off the chart. Great use of software to make those lovely lines and calls.
IMO Schumacher was the greatest exponent of wet weather driving, at least since I have been watching F1 since the 1980s. I think compared to his contemporaries his throttle/brake inputs gave him a huge advantage in slowly feeding in the power to minimize wheelspin.
What about Vettel winning The italian grand prix il 2008 in a ToroRosso?
McLaren screwed up qualifying and Lewis qualified near the back - but he was like Max in Brazil that race.
it's right there in the end of the video... you blind?
I was thinking the same thing, vettel is one of the legends in the wets.
Absolutely nailed explaining this one man, as usual! 👏👏👏
Senna & Hamilton elite in the wet
+verstappen
@@benjibananas7643 Schumacher and Alonso as well..... Alonso master class in DPi and in the night stint to name one recent example..........
Schumacher was better than Hamilton IMO.
Senna was obviously the best.
Hands down the best RUclips channel which explains F1 and racing techniques.
Senna, Alonso, Kubica
Senna is the GOAT!!!
Ayrton Senna. No second, third thoughts required.
Pranav P S without a doubt!
Thank you for all your videos. I can truly say I have saved 2-3 seconds on my sims and using these to my snowmobile racing (crosscountry).
Great video and a good introduction for any trackday drivers who have never driven in the wet.I would love to be able to master my wet driving skills, as I m racing(Caterhams) next season and have had few wet track days, due to our Mediterranean summer.
Great breakdown, I wish I had seen this video about a month earlier!
For me it is Alonso no doubt
Younger fans never saw Jacky Ickx race in the wet.... One of the very best rain drivers ever....
Can't just say one but from each generation. Senna obviously. Schumacher i watched an old rave from spa he was on slicks and others had wets on and he was still pumping in them times. Lewis is from now but I'll go for Max being the future king.
Jay Williams Max being what future king
MarvisTv have you watched the video. I think it's pretty clear what I'm on about.
"an old rave from Spa"... Don't you just love auto-correct!
Yes, it is very important to be able to understand how water flows within the circuit and, where is puddles to be able to adjust you line accordingly while also taking into account, the capabilities of your tires and overall vehicle setup for the wet conditions. Regards Scott, good videos.
Very good information here, thanks!
This gave me loads of tips for my second time Karting in the wet today!
From my lifetime - Senna and Schumacher.
senna for sure
SENNA & SCHUMACHER NO DOUBT 😎😎
Wet driver: 1) Senna 2) Lewis Hamilton 3) Schumacher 4) Verstappen 5)Alonso
Clark is much better than all of these. 4 minutes 54 seconds ahead of second. He is miles ahead of these lot.
No idea buddy, only started watching since late eighties. Senna too was always miles ahead of the rest of the field. Wish there was a possibility to see old races.
Search up Spa 1963.
Jim sure must have been amazing, given what I've read. But 1963 had a very different style of race to compare. Senna is still my favourite. Nowadays, Hamilton and Alonso ahead.
You cannot compare a 60's race to today.
AYRTON SENNA AND MICHAEL SCHUMACHER. 🇧🇷🇩🇪
Much respect from Philippines! 🇵🇭
You need to focus on the wider line using less lock therefore less change of direction forces. A large radius enables more speed to be carried in the wet or the dry, the difference being in the dry the cars usually have enough grip to take the tighter line with full grip. As soon as the grip levels are compromised you're better off staying wider to be able to carry more speed throughout the corner having a higher minimum speed. I remember Michael Schumacher explaining this even when the grip is compromised in the dry he would use this technique. The more lock you put in the more likely you will understeer or not be able to hold the line.
good video advice
best three drivers in the wet: Senna, Senna and Senna....if anyone has doubts just watch Donington 1993 GP, he simply was on another level
Clark. Spa 1963.
And then watch bellof in monaco 1984
This is a good explanation except for one detail. The rubber on line is one thing that decreases grip but track surface texture is the major reason there's more grip off line. Rubber is a great polisher, it smooths any surface over time. Off line there are still areas where the small rocks in the asphalt are still sharp, haven't been rounded by the tires. Deformation, the keying of tread rubber into the track texture is the major portion of grip. Adhesion contributes less to total grip and it goes away completely in the wet.
I had my first race weekend ever and it was in the rain... well practice was in the wet and quali was on a half wet, half dry track and i found it tricky to understand the grip and the conditions. I watched this before hand because i knew the weather and i know the fundamentals but in practice it is so much harder than i ever couldve thought. i have no karting experience really, and certainly not in the wet being from Las Vegas. It is supposedly going to rain in New Orleans in my second race weekend and i want to be prepared, this certainly helps a bit more with understanding the line i can and should experiment with when its wet on track.
Look on Schumacher in Monaco 97 His unique gas/brake technique at the peak
"or check out senna any time it happened to rain..." I loled
Hamilton is on a streak of 9 straight wins in the wet right now. He is a master in the wet.
Richie Chaks He's indeed one of the best in the wet but is driving in the only car that won championships in the hybride erea.
He’s one of the best, but his rivals with similar cars end up hitting the wall when it pours a bit so with Hamilton’s class it’s pretty easy😂
Don't forget how many times hamilton slammed to the wall in wets! kid watching F1 since 2014?
Shivank Kumar and Senna crashed a lot too in all conditions😂. “Kid” watching f1 since Schumacher was a 2 time champion
Shivank Kumar rekt son
Senna was and is the best on a wet track because he could see what he was doing before he ever got there!
Smooth and easy movements of all of the controls of the car. Ease into every movement while pushing the car hard. That is genius in motion!
I love the new intro
It would be great to see a speed trace (and differentials) between:
1. Dry line in the dry
2. Dry line in the wet
3. Wet line in the wet
The differential between 2 & 3 would be especially interesting...
GOAT: Senna then Hamilton. Button is good in wettish conditions but not sure he's altogether outstanding when the track is soaking
Clark better than both.
Button was always a very conservative and calm driver, and i can see that being a benefit in the wet.
(Just forget Monaco 2017 ever happened)
The temperature of the tyre in wet is very important, in fact they can not run in the dry part of the circuit. Its long to explain but probably is one of the most important things in rain.
Well,I could explain in a easy way that's the full wet tyres and the inters more like a sponge , likes to absorbing water and then gives you a bit more grip when the tyres absorbing more water on a wet tracks.and that's how does the wet tyres work.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the challenges of coming back on to the normal racing line when it intercepts the karting line. I would like to hear more about that 🙂
Ayrton Senna is the greatest driver on wet tracks!.... Fernando Alonso has been also very good
Alonso? Not really in that league as a wet driver. It's Senna and Hamilton head and shoulders above with Schumacher a bit behind.
Ayrton Senna do Brasil!!!!
Perfect tips for watching what will most likely be a wet race today at Spa. And I vote Senna as the best wet driver.
'Wet race' was 50% correct I guess
Senna 1st Schumi 2nd Alonso 3rd
Boutsen did well in the Canadian and Australian wet weather. Not perhaps the greatest but defo worth going on any list of greats
Senna is my guess but I’m not up to date with the current F1 races.
He ran circles around the other drivers while they spun out on the wet surface. It was faith I think!! He knew the limits of every part of his car and could push right up to that very limit!!
Hey Scott! Long time no video. Any new videos any time soon? Was hoping you had uploaded a crash analysis of verstappen and vettel in suzuka.
Hope to see more content, 1 of my fav RUclipsrs!
The sharpness of the tarmac surface is eroded away over time on the racing line as well as the holes being filled with rubber.
Senna
As far as I know Senna tops the charts for the wet
It's actually the most fun!!
Icky, Moss, Fangio, Steward, Boutsen, Prost and all pre war hero’s like Carraciola , Nuvolari..
Thanks for the video!
Are there cases where aquaplaning is unavoidable in the wet? (Understeer, spin)?
And would it be possible to show a specific example showing what trajectory should have been taken?
S E N N A (you know which one)
Bruce right?
I love to drive my old c6 vette in the rain but it has all season tires on it compared to slicks making it very easy and predictable to control oversteer and maintain it for fun without burning up my tires
0:49 Vettel is the best on current grid
1) 2008 Italian GP
2) 2019 German GP
3) 2020 Turkish GP
Who's the GOAT in the wet?
Driver61 Hamilton
I think riccardo is the best in the wet now
is there any doubt that Senna is the best?
Probably: Senna. Clark. Schumacher. Hamilton. Verstappen. Alonso. Stewart.
Senna all the way! Donington 1993 is the proof!
My personnal top 10 wet-weather driver : It exclude somes drivers from past era like Jim Clark, Jacky Ickx, Jackie Stewart and Graham Hill because I have no personnal reference despite they are rain masters.
10- James Hunt (best drive: Japan 1976, world champion)
9- Jenson Button (best drive: Canada 2011)
8- Jean Alesi (Japan 1995)
7- Rubens Barrichello (best drive: Monaco 1997)
6- Sebastian Vettel (best drive: Italy 2008, 1st win)
5- Gilles Villeneuve (best drive: USA East 1979)
4- Lewis Hamilton (best drive: Britain 2008)
3- Michael Schumacher (best drive: Spain 1996)
2- Max Verstappen (best drive: Brazil 2016)
1- Ayrton Senna (best drive: Europe 1993 & Monaco 1984 & Portugal 1985 & Always…)
Jim Clark and Ayrton Senna, maybe before f1 Rudolf Caracciola
Senna always
"A good driver [..]" - not Daniil Kvyat :D On a serious note though - thanks a lot for the video - good information about a topic that not many even bother covering.
Best rain driver ever Senna : best ever
Best ex F1 raining driver (alive):Schumacher
Best current F1 raining driver:verstappen
"Or... Senna in anytime when happen to rain!" Awesome ahhahahahahhaha
ayrton senna
Senna, no question.
84 Monaco gp is what makes it for me.
Senna!
I don't think Senna was the greatest of all times, but surely he was unbeatable in wet conditions. Barrichello is another genius in wet conditions, as well as Schumacher was. And of course, Max Verstappen put up a hell of a show under severe rain conditions in Brazil 2016.
1. senna 2. schumacher 3. hamilton 4. button
Check out Monaco 1984 Senna greatest wet weather driver hands down.
Clark.
I wasnt referring to the Flintstones era of F1
Because you know you are wrong. You didn't mention era. Clark won by 5 minutes. He is incomparibly better.
Clark was on a ride on lawn mower. Stick to the F1 drivers of this generation mate
Loads more dangerous, driving full speed with random trees and lampposts as barriers with the occasional hay bale to help. Yeah sure, if you can't admit that winning by that much makes you better than anyone else than nothing will convince you. And look at Monaco 1984 with what Bellof did, infinitely more impressive than Senna.
Button in Canada, 2011 comes to mind!
Best rainmasters of what i've seen.
1 Senna
2 Schumacher
3 Hamilton
4 Verstappen, both Jos and Max
5 Button
Not really Jos. he was only mediocre
Pls explain about track temperature and how it is crucial
Without a doubt, Senna
Research Spa 1963.
Clark was an awesome driver but, two different eras.....
By the different eras thinking there can't be a best of all time
They were both amazing drivers, what's your issue?
h's a Clark fanboy...that's his issue.
In the wet, first avoid standing waters by being very attentive, seamless inputs are required. Remember " in the dry, the car talks to you but in the wet the car whispers to you" said M. Schumacher. Listen very carefully ..Drive with conviction..Ps. learning to drive in the snow will help you in the wet.
Where did the sebring track guide go? or did you not have one? i believe you used to have one.
Only senna
Senna and Schumacher are the GOAT. Currently it's Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel and Raikkonen
Senna is unarguably the greatest driver ever in any condition, he was unreachable on the dry, and on the wet his superiority was 10 times bigger
He was easily reachable in the dry. Usually because he had run out of fuel. In the wet, Clark was the best. Spa 1963.
Aidan Keogh bullshit , senna is completely from another planet, no one can be compared to the god of f1, and on the wet he is unmeasurable, DONINGTON 1993
that was the Lotus in '85 and '86 (more so 85). The Renault engine was very thirsty, and the Lotus aero was not very efficient. Fuel monitoring was not particularly accurate either in those days.
Giorgio Ceriani SPA 1963. Just Google it. Senna was extraordinary in the rain, winning by 1:23 seconds. Clark won by 5 minutes. Senna called Clark the best of all time.
mrtheoden what about 1993 then, all those defences from Prost where he held him off for a few laps, where everyone praises him but they don't realise that almost all of those battles invariably end with Senna losing out, and then being overtaken by other cars because he used too much fuel fighting Prost.
Gilles Villeneuve certainly deserves a mention
Senna is easily the GOAT of wet driving.
Schummi is the best driver in wet conditions
You show T1/2 at Montréal, but you don't mention Jensen there in 2011. Came from last place TWICE!
Verstappen in Brazil 2016 was absolutely incredible to watch
Would have been nice to talk about wet setup as well, not just lines. I wonder if the common wisdom of softer suspension more downforce still holds true, combined with shifting brake bias to the rear due to reduced front braking force. Maybe that is material for another video, but it was notably absent here
Verstappen at Brazil 2016, using different lines to get more grip...
Good but spun trying to keep up with lewis.
Bahamuttiamat But saved it aswell 😉
@@Bahamuttiamat aquaplaning made a sneaky appearance but luckily he saved it😊
He changed tires under the safety car and had tires that were 25 laps fresher than the guys he was passing. Amazing how few people seem to realize that...
As much as I think that Max is petulant, immature and largely absent any desire to reflect or self-assess, his natural skill is immense. Brazil 2016 was enough to include him in that top flight mentioned in the intro.
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@1:15 - Turn 2 ;) Nice video though
Correct me if I’m wrong but it appears that a driver is widening or extending, the track upon corner entry and narrowing the track on corner exit? I must assume he is playing with the throttle as well the entire time trying to get a feel for the limit of traction everywhere?
Senna of course, but don't forget Jenson Button and that win in Montreal in the wet!
Clark.
Is it significantly different when wet tires are not allowed? (e.g. some karting series...)
Max Verstappen
Ayrton senna 💪🏆
It's too much to call them the greatest wet drivers in history. But the Verstappen family should deserve a mention. Jos in Canada 2000, Malaysian 2001. Max in Brazil 2016.