Why We Ship Characters - From X-Files to Reylo
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- Today on our collaborative@NetflixSports series “Take Two," we explore the true meaning of Christmas movies: • What's the True Meanin... . Watch it now on the Netflix Film Club RUclips channel! | The history of "shipping," the act of rooting for a romantic relationship between two fictional characters, has been around for ages, yet the phenomenon got its name from The X-Files. Fans of the science-fiction series who pined for Agent Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Agent Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) didn't always see their relationship develop on screen, so a vocal subset of viewers kept it alive online. The X-Files thus became ground zero for the explosion of shipping as a common, if controversial part of fandom, for everything from sitcoms to Star Wars. Here’s our Take on the evolution of shipping, from The X-Files to The Rise of Skywalker, the reasoning behind it, and the effects that rooting for love can have on the things we love.
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Great video.
Love your videos. Please do a take on some kind on X-Files theme
@@alexanderefstratiadis3616 For example?
Mabey the mythology episodes or the different perspectives on believing in something
@@alexanderefstratiadis3616 Good idea.
The first shipper was Aphrodite. She started the whole Trojan War because she shipped Helen of Troy and Paris.
@@stephfm10 Hahah yep.
Hahahahahaha accurate 🤣.
That's why they call Helen "the face that launched a thousand ships"
@@yippedoodah that was a good one, lol
@@AxxLAfriku are you okay? Like I see your comments exactly like this everywhere, it makes me worried for your health and your comments make me loose my little faith in humanity.
Everything is fine in shipping if it stays in fiction... No one should attack actors or writers because their ship is not cannon. Or even attack folks that doesn't like the same ship
Exactly
COUGH SUPERCORP SHIPPERS COUGH
I agree, and would expand that to all fictional relationships, and how they are written or portrayed. It wasn't so many years ago that actress Anna Gunn was getting death threats over her character, Skyler White on 'Breaking Bad'. Art is fairly subjective, to state the obvious, and thoughtful opinions are fun to discuss and debate - 'thoughtful' being the key word.
I love shipping and I 💯 agree with this comment
@@curiousworld7912 cosigned. I've been called a lot of nasty things over loving Reylo, Sheith, Zutara, SephCloud, etc. it is so exhausting. God knows I have ships I detest, but I just blacklist them and go about my life, ya know?
shipping is like having a favorite sports team.
I can't believe I never noticed this
this makes so much sense
I.... dont know enough about sport teams to dispute this
Nah, you get excited for a sports team, not titillated
It’s crazy how The Rise of Skywalker incited outrage from both Reylo fans *and* Anti-Reylo fans.
Ah yes a compromise that pleases no one
Why you don't make movies by committee.
Ikr, but man didn't it do both Rey and Kylo(/Ben) any justice, said by an anti-Reylo fan (before TLJ) turned Reylo fan (after TLJ) turned well not a fan of Star Wars anymore (well kinda) after TROS😂😂🤣
I loved it 🤷🏽♂️
@@beccag2758 it pleased 86% of fans
I've always thought shipping is such an interesting concept. We are quite literally in love with OTHER people's love, so much so that we invest our time and thoughts into it. So strange, but also so fun.
Stop thats it perfectly. I get so ingrosed in fiction, when im watching something and I like it my body will react to what im seeing on screen as if its actually happening to me. So when I ship two characters I am in agony watching it when its not happening 😂😂 though even though I'm like that I'd never attack or go after actors/people who ship differently/ the show. That's something I'll never understand.
@@Mattodiablo3 I agree. I can't understand getting so into it that you attack others. But I do think, when there is genuine chemistry, there is a physiological reaction. I've gotten the same type of "butterflies in my stomach" feeling watching two actors kiss as I get when remembering some of my own kisses from the past. I think the quest for that feeling is what drives much of shipping, or did in its early days. David and Gillian are just pure magic on screen together. That kind of chemistry is rare however and cannot be forced, so I'm not sure much of modern shipping actually has anything to do with that. I do think a lot has to do with the charisma of certain actors, and being invested in that actor's character's wants and needs plays a large part.
But sometimes fans can see that the main couple aren’t meant to be, ex: the leads don’t have chemistry among them, they might have phenomenal chemistry with another character but no the ship can’t be cause the writer said so. This is why we’re all glad that fanfic exists.
It’s depressing these isn’t healthy
@@j0an-07-arc6 it's only unhealthy if you let it take over your existence. Being attached to two fictional characters isn't inherently wrong, it's bad when it affects your social life and mental health.
Shipping in a nutshell: Hey, I think they're really neat, I like them alot, maybe they could hang out or something
Shipping two characters will always be wanting two characters to just hold hands or fuck right then and there on the table and there is always an inbetween
This is it exactly! Sometimes you just wanna see two characters together for any reason whatsoever, and it's fun!
I read it singing! LOL
@@bic00 Me too!!!
More like: I like these two characters. THEY HAVE TO BE TOGETHER. Everyone else is WRONG.
I think It's important to realize that not every relationship has to be romantic for it to be important, and just because people love each other doesn't mean they belong toghter.
Honestly, you can friend-ship people, too....but, irl friend-shipping is problematic, too, talking from experience.
Seriously! Like, if specific characters got to spend more time together, the friendship potential would be so high.
Forget romance, give me more screen time and development with a budding friendship.
I agree I've seen plenty of characters ruined because people wanted them in a romantic relationship. Sometimes its best for two people just to remain friends like Phoebe and Joey were on friends.
@@ariannamyrie9520 can you explain what you mean please
@@TheMedicatedArtist
or better yet budding romances/friends to lovers
Shipping just gives a fandom life at times.
That’s true
Totally agree.
i honestly prefer a community shipping people instead of hating every little deal like Got or star wars
true omg
True.
Also, sometimes my favourite fanart in a fandom are always the ship fanarts.
The fact that the actress from Sherlock received death threats is even worse when you know at the time she Martin we’re actually married and he refused to work with anyone else, like don’t threaten the mans wife
poor woman, living something like this because someone dont see the difference between real and tv
They weren’t married, but were in a relationship. Considering she’s an outspoken TERF, the ire should’ve towards her should’ve been saved for that.
@@Minam0 and martin freeman is a douche so i guess they're a perfect couple
@@freja201 why is that?
Notice the death threats going to the fictional wife, not to the fictional man in question. Misogyny even in madness
Seeing as misogynism IS madness, I'd say that checks out
@@taylor_green_9 Awesome counter. I tip my hat to you, sir.
TJLC, threat went to the real and fictional wife. (The lady was his real rife and acting as his wife). There was also hate in Elementary because it was gender bent
@@alicianieto2822 Thank you, Ma'am. As an aspiring writer, I try my best
Well, they weren't going to kill the man, because they wanted him in a relationship with Sherlock Holmes.
Can I just say that I love seeing two female talking about movies this way. Most movie reviewers that talk about movies in this way are male. I just love seeing this. Just wanted to say this real quick 😊😅
Check out Grace Randolph and Lindsey Ellis, they're great
Yhara Zayd
Broey Deschanel
Ladyknightthebrave
MalinaPendulum
Be kind rewind
Maggie mae Fish
Quinn Curio
(Edit: Amanda the Jedi)
Deffinetly more, but these are great. Sorry if you already knew of them, hope this helps.
@@bbrbbr-on2gd ouhhhh nice! Thank you! Obviously I don’t have anything against male movie reviewers 😅 I just love to see girls do it. I haven’t heard of most of these, so thanks for the recommendations! 😊
@@siennaluprano8573 I echo these recommendations: film studies & theories --> Lindsay Ellis, POC and LGBTQ+ media criticism -> Yhara Zayd and MalinaPendulum, classic movies --> Be Kind Rewind (She's currently doing a 25 actress for 25 days until Christmas series. Check it out!), funny re-caps and underrated female oriented media --> Amanda the Jedi, niche fandom and bizarre internet history --> Sarah Z
Edit to add: Impression Blend - general movies, TV, book review and Jill Bearup - fight choreography
@@mhawang8204 thanks for the recommendation! 😊😊
Gillian and David had so much chemistry that even though the writers(Chris Carter) didn't initially plan/want Mulder and Scully together, there was something there that they couldn't deny, that spark was visible to everyone, and no matter how hard they tried not to do that, Mulder and Scully were always going to be shipped by millions of people, solely based on the amazing chemistry they had even in the most simplest scenes.
Rule #1:
Don't ship real people.
It’s weird how that’s become mainstream and acceptable now. When it was so frowned upon in fandom previously.
Rule #2:
Don't ship adults with underage characters
Unless they're in a real relationship, then I guess it's fine.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 It is considered shipping if they're already together though?
@@mynameisreallycool1 Yes. For example in Dragon Ball, Vegeta and Bulma have been married for most of the series, but their couple's name(Vegebul) is still called a ship. Probs there are exceptions but I think it works the same with married people irl🤔
Shipping gets a lot of hate but it’s just like any other form of fan speculation like “who would win” fights and any of the Rey theories. It’s just part of the fun of being a fan.
I agree, sometimes, it's fun to simply support two characters together, and even if they don't actually get together in the actual show, you can create your own story about them! 💘
@@trinaq Its freaking weird like the people who Shipped Ichigo and Rukia in Bleach or the people who Sipped Harry and Hermione this people have a clearly brother and sister type of relationship you have to be a degenerate to ship them together
I mostly agree, but I found it a bit of a shame where The X Files was concerned, because it was so nice to see a close friendship between a man and a woman being represented on the screen. You see men and women being romantically involved on the screen all the time, but how often do you see representations of close friendship between a man and a woman? I feel like the romance in The X Files was put there to please fans, and in doing so one of these rare on-screen representations of man-woman best friendship got overwritten!
In general, though, I agree that shipping is harmless speculation, and people are free to enjoy their favourite shows and movies however they like :) And shippers aren't to 'blame' for The X Files romance; ultimately, that choice was still up to the producers of the show. Plus I'm sure many people would have been happy to see it become a romance. I just think there's already so much romance out there, it was really refreshing to see a man and woman be best friends without getting romantic.
Yeah, also Rey should be left alone, stop having all force sensitive characters in Star Wars being related (wow, had a long time to think /care about that, was nice, I'll go back to hardly giving a damn about Star Wars-said while wearing a TROS shirt- IDC, I had bought it before I saw the film and well it's comfy and honestly I kind of had forgotten and have been kinda free of having the connotations in my head every time I wear it😂 Yeah, I know, we people are weird...
@@rabsaque no one is a degenerate for wanting two fictional characters to kiss. take that nazi vocabulary out of your mouth.
Shipping has singlehandedly kept some shows alive, and if it weren’t for the shipping then they would fall into obscurity.
Very true. If it weren't for the shippers I think Supernatural would have ended long before now.
I know this is true but I can only think of a couple shows off the top of my head. Which ones are you thinking about (out of curiosity)?
@@arcadianmorning well I can’t think of many off the top of my head either except maybe Jeeves and Wooster starring Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry. I think it was popular back in the day but these days I see that most of the fans who engage with it ship Jeeves and Wooster and that makes up most of the show’s content on stuff like Tumblr.
Actually a better example might be the 80’s horror movie The Hitcher. Almost nobody talks about it but the small group of fans who ship the male main protagonist with the male main villain like it’s some 80’s version of Will and Hannibal.
Once upon a time only lasted so long cos of shipping
You know how old X-Files is when Mulder says Scully is "one in _five_ billion"...
Please do a take on Dana Scully herself! She inspired so many people (Scully effect) and honestly influenced a LOT of TV characters that came after her. She's my absolute favourite and she's a badass.
Absolutely! She's one of my favourite TV characters ever. Of course, it might have to do with her being one of the reasons that I realised I was gay back in my teens. In spite of Mulder, she's still sort of a GenX lesbian icon.
Yes, Scully deserves her own Take episode!
they both deserve their own take, do it please.
I liked Scully for the most part but she does exemplify the "Skeptic who's not Skeptical" problem. What I mean by that is the skeptic is supposed to be the person who doubts the thing that sounds like BS but when offered evidence of the thing adjusts their thinking accordingly.
Being a skeptic isn't supposed to be about being a non-believer it's about wanting proof. I think for the most part she did an okay job of "well yeah that other thing was real doesn't mean this thing is"
But there are too many characters written in the Scully vain who see "impossible things" who still deny it in spite of having seen the impossible thing themselves.
It's like adults in movies where Santa Claus is real somehow not believing. You have gifts showing up every year that you know you didn't buy.
Yes please!!
Shipping is all good fun until the fans get too rabid about it. Like chill out and enjoy the show. Or create your own show and ship whoever you like 🤣
A big part of what makes shipping fun is the uncertainty and the antecipation. Its like a sport, if things are too neat and easy people don't get as passionate about it. that's why "shipping your own work" is not really a thing. writing romantic dynamics IS fun, but not in the same way as shipping, it's a different dynamic. at the end, shipping is a spectator's sport.
worst is shipping real people
Istg, shipping has always been a fun escape from reality, I’ve always love well done romance stories because growing up i didn’t understand the concept of a relationship and seeing that on TV was fun for me. I don’t get people getting mad at other for liking a ship that isn’t pedophillic/incestous it’s literally fiction get over it
@@Dumpknoedel I think maybe the REAL problem isn't necessarily shipping people in real life but rather like sending death threats or harassing people or something
@semi like for real for real 😅
Shipping gives us, the viewers, a sense of escapism as well. I have found a correlation between shipping characters more and when I'm feeling lonely.
@semi yoo me too!!.. called out..
I don't think there's anything bad about this, per se! Loneliness is the commonality among all people - especially with the state of the world, the loneliness is palpable. Shipping is almost like putting on VR goggles and it allows us to have that romance vicariously
And also the sense of butting up on people's business, people that have a lot of things to work on their lives, don't lost time shipping others. If it's only in fiction it's fine, but not in real life.
@@grazielaalmeida8438 huh seems like you've somehow basically defined what escapism is lol
Seems simple enough. Humans love love and the viewers want to expand on a good thing, while the showrunners keep the main characters unattached to spark such speculation and thus increase viewership.
man, i just love mulder and scully. romantic or not, they trust and support each other like nobody else. and most importantly, they respect one another. they're just such a great pairing, calling it "romance" falls short.
"I just discovered a new drug. It's called your relationship, and I'm high on it."
Jack Sparrow: Stop putting holes in my ship!!
Started watching the X files in late 2000, and I'm excitedly shipping the characters. Can you imagine how fans in 1990s must be feeling like? SUPER EXCITED!
I remember completely freaked out when they first kissed. I must have been like 12 or 13
Me too!
How about a take on why some fandoms bring the worst out of people.
I think it’s a kind of tribalism mixed with people trying to “out fan” each other. They exist within a echo chamber so they don’t see how extreme they have become. It’s sort of a pseudo semi religion.
@@jupiterisaak1004 There was a picture of fandom stages and some of the latter were "I love this," "I own/control this," "I can't control this," "I hate this," "I'm gonna destroy this" which is very accurate. People get weirdly possessive about fandoms like straight men who feel entitled to girls and can't take no for an answer.
@@yippedoodah yes and it seems cruel to say to them to say “you are taking this too seriously” but it’s true. I think some people are just prone to being extremists regardless of if it’s fandom, religion or politics. It’s becomes their whole identity.
They kinda hinted at it in the video - when we identify strongly with a character/ship/head cannon, any denial or rejection of those things, either by other fans or by the creators of the work, feels like a threat to our identity.
*sarah z has entered the chat*
Thank you for using our footage !!! ❤️❤️
And for crediting us, much appreciated! 🥰🥰
Shipping fictional characters is still understandable. It's the shipping real people that I find extrememly weird and cringey!
I literally grew up shipping Mulder and Scully 😍
As a aromatic person it makes me sad how much western media devalues friendship. It also makes me sad it teaches us boys and girls can’t be platonic friends.
I agree sooooo much. I’m so tired of every relationship being treated as romantic and sexual.
Oh finally! A comment on how friendship is devalued. I saw this so much in the Sherlock fandom where I just kept thinking... is friendship not desired anymore?
I also think it makes people see romantic relationships as that perfect relationship where that person has to fulfil ALL your desires, but in reality we need a whole circle of friends because we have such varied interests and no one person will fit us perfectly.
Of course I’m not undermining romantic relationships, but friendships can’t be seen as a consolation prize.
And don’t even get me started on shipping siblings 🤢🤢🤢
Edit: i realise you said "Western media" instead of "shippers". I'm a fool. I'll leave this here anyway.
I hear you. I'm with you. I'm asexual myself.
I do want to give my perspective as a shipper though. For me there are very few things I would genuinely ship in a "Oh god they need they're in love to kiss" way. Everything else is just about fun.
The basis of shipping for me is fanfiction. Its about getting an intresting, fun, story out of a relationship between two people. You want to explore certain tropes or certain situations. Canon, actual, pairings often limit what fanfiction can be so you take non-canon (friendship) pairs.
But like it's not that those two people have to be in love to make me happy or that their friendship in the show or other fanfics are less valuable. Its all just content for these two people that I belive could or do get along amazing and gell together in a way I enjoy.
@@alexandrarose149 Has much as I’m made fun of for this I’ve also resonated with anime & manga whole POWER OF FRIENDSHIP thing.
Same, and like how that phrase "we're JUST friends" is being used in media. Ugh. Like what do they mean "just" friends? Good friends can be hard to come by and should be treasured. A friend isn't just a stepping stone to a romantic partner.
Also, shipping real people is creepy but in fiction it's the best
As a person who has been irl shipped, it's so weird.... uncomfortable...we brushed it off, but ewww....but fake ships, yessss!!!!
So true! Like with celebrities! Sometimes people forget that they are actually human behind the fame!
And *especially* so when the real people are children
I tried to write a piece on Lin and Jonathon, but just couldn't because I got too creeped out by the fact that they are real people.
It can also really mess with the friendship/working relationship.
Reading fanfiction about my ships and accidentally stumbling across a 18+ one was basically what awakened my sexuality lmao
The amount of fanfiction I have read for mulder and scully is unhealthy...
My favorite is when they do a soap opera style script where Mulder is caught in the middle of a gigantic fight between Scully and either Angela White, Bambi or Phoebe Green. And sometimes, they have endings where Scully kills one of the others!
Me too. There's just SO MUCH of it, too.
Fanfiction is fun tbh
A lot of people think it’s cringe and ya some is a bit weird- but overall it’s very fun and relaxing to read
@@largol33t1 hey whats the title omg been a while reading xf fanfic
Really? Where? Asking for a friend.
As the biggest shipper of the X-files: THANK YOU !!! I haven’t even watched it yet but damn it’s so great to see my favorite couple on here 😍
Yasssssss!
I remember the worst ship I ever did.
In a book I read in English, there were two child good friends, and I was like like “They are gay”
And THEN the plot twist was that they were brothers and I just. Died inside
oh man, incest is such a squick for me as surprise incest always sucks. I remember learning how LukeLeia shippers felt after shipping two characters in pokemon sun and moon, Lilie and Gladion, and then dying inside when I learned they were releated. ;~; oh well, at least playing as a female PC meant I got to read some of the interactions between said PC and Liliie as gay so. xD
I remember watching this show with these two characters who were very close and had known each other for a long time because one was assigned to protect the other, I thought it was cute/sweet and loved the idea of them being together
Turns out they were cousins 🙂🔫
@@adaon2282 BTW what was the name of the book and show called?
@@adaon2282 this reminds me of sailor moon in the dubbed version when they decided to make the lesbian couple "cousins" but didn't take out any of the romantic subtext.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 if you watch anime you might recognize it
Ouran highschool host club
It bothers me in some instances that platonic relationships between fictional characters always have to lead to physical intimacy and love in the eyes of their most ardent fans. As it is in reality, you can have close, kindred relationships with others you have no intention of ever sleeping with. This assertion that men and women cannot have relationships with the opposite sex without there being some form of sexual tension between them, or indeed two same-sex friends without a love interest being there, is hurtful to the dynamic between two partners who could love each other without desiring an intimate romantic relationship.
In the example of Scully and Mulder, they could have had the same connection and dialogue without the sexual tension or allusion to a blossoming romance. They could have even had romantic partners outside of the show's lens, with very little need to explain or defend the way they interact with one another, because it doesn't have much to do with the direction of the show. You don't see them doing it with every TV series, but it happens enough where the "will they wont they" seems to be driving the show's narrative, and when they eventually do wind up dating or marrying or having sex, that gratification for the show's fans is pretty short-lived. I saw that happen with New Girl, Parks and Rec, Community, The Office, even kids shows like Avatar the Last Airbender, The Legend of Korra, or Star vs The Forces of Evil. Platonic relationships are not deemed fulfilling enough to their audiences, or they overlook the glaring incompatibilities between the characters and still try to shoehorn them together anyway.
For someone like myself who enjoys friendships with the opposite sex, I'm tired of the trope that all platonic relationships have the ultimate destination of a romantic relationship, when they don't. It makes me feel like it's some sort of taboo to have these friendships, and that if either of us is in a committed relationship with another partner, that it's somehow an emotional sabotage on the relationship, or that you're suspected of cheating with this friendship. I don't need shows to reflect my own relationships in order to be entertained, but it would be nice to occasionally see things like buddy comedies and dramas where two characters can remain in a committed relationship, while still being secure enough in themselves to have a loving friendship with someone and not be pushed into some empty love triangle with them.
Your comment really spoke to me!
I think fiction and reality always feed off themselves. Fiction prioritizes romance because we in our society prioritize it (aka the expectation that you need to have kissed, dated, had sex, got married at a certain age or else youre a loser). But at the same time, I feel like friendships between men and women are often made taboo irl bc fiction doesnt normalize it. A lot of our behaviors we copy from what we grow up seeing and I truly think that the conventional storyline that two opposite gender friends will eventually fall in love is what causes a lot of estigma of close friendships irl
I thought I was shipping characters because there's no romance in my life lol
Same! 😭
Lmao I ship characters from a specific fandom because that fandom literally has no shipping involved with it
"When all seems to be against you, remember, a ship sometimes has to sail against the current, not with it."
Matshona Dhliwayo
Precisely, that's why we ship: It gives us a couple to root for, and to bask in. Even if your favourite pairing isn't actually Canon, it's still fun to come up with our own stories! ♥️
@@trinaq I agree.
That is true the only bad thing is that some people go too far
x files is my all time favorite tv show and i’m so grateful you made a video based around the best show ever.
I totally agree shippers shouldn't demand things of creators. And they CERTAINLY shouldn't attack actors BUT showrunners also shouldn't tease and hint at a certain ship over and over if they have no intention of following through. Especially if it's a gay ship.
Johnlock shippers get a lot of flack but some of it is really undeserved because you can't tell me that there's not enough subtext AND straight up text to justify the idea that they'd eventually get together. That said, it disgusted me when they attacked Amanda. John was bound to marry Mary, it was in the books. However I do think they made her character utterly unlikable. Like make her a sweet wife or a manipulating villain. You can't have it both ways. Like yeah she's a lying murderous psychopath, but don't you just love her? Uh no.
But none of what happened was the actors fault. Leave them out of it. And yes some fans went overboard. But I think most long term fans can agree Moffat & Gatiss are *enter rude word here*. Even without considering Johnlock the last season was a garbage fire. Fans were right to be upset. If I'd obsessed over it to end up getting that I'd prob go crazy too. I was upset enough as a very casual fan.
And don't get me started on SPN. I watched the 1st 5 seasons and that was enough for me to know it was just baiting and it'd pump out subpar quality seasons as long as ppl were watching. Unfortunate cause I thought Jensen could've had a real acting career. Oh well.
haven't you heard about the last episodes of Supernatural?
@@Julz34 I think everyone with an internet connection has heard about the last episodes of Supernatural.
@@Julz34 Yes and it totally proved my point. They threw you a tiny stale crumb and you went crazy over it. But really all they did is bury another gay b4 anything "yucky" could actually happen. Not to mention deans reaction said it all. He was like "uh wtf bro? Hurry up and go to the worst hell that exists and when I die I won't even think about your nasty ass lol".
@@paulthomas963 If you really think that I feel sorry for you. That video (and how did she even send it, the leaps of logic in that last season abound) was super cringe. Like they need her permission for one. And nothing about what she says implies romance. In life she was nothing but a fucking psycho. She literally killed ppl for a living. She literally tried to kill Sherlock. She DID kill him. His heart stopped! So all that bs about shooting the right spot was just that. Sherlock just 1) didn't want to make John choose between him & his prego wife 2) didn't know the kind of threat she'd be if he became an enemy.
Even in the last season she lies to and drugs him. Then tells him to "go to hell" and practically kill himself to "save" John. A John who beat the shit out of him for no reason btw. She showed she was jealous of Sherlock numerous times. Highly doubt that's what she was saying. And if it was it's almost worse. Like John needs his psycho dead ex to open his damn eyes.
The whole last season was an acid trip. None of it made a lick of sense. There were no mysteries to solve. The world's greatest deceive can't see glass a foot from his face. His sister has xmen like super mind powers and thus needs her own alcatraz. Moriarty was just her plaything the whole time and he made videos so she could mess w/ Sherlock some more after he died. Sherlock, a genius with a mind palace and excellent memory, forgot he had an evil sister and a best friend. Making a dog he loved instead?! They all managed to jump away from a BOMB from a 2nd story window & were basically all fine. They snuck in alcatraz with goofy costumes. I could go on and on and on.
The show is just whack. And homophobic. And SUPER misogynistic. And I'm FAR from the only one who thinks these things. Only hardcore fan girls with blinders on think otherwise. Hopefully when you're old enough you'll see.
@@SaunterVaguelyDown I know I was joking. I haven’t watched an episode of that show and I feel soo bad for the fans.
The only Adam driver related ship I’m on is Adam Driver x John Oliver
Hell yeah, my favorite ship))
Ooh periodt!
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS OMG, Did you see the season final, I didn't hear most of it because I was cheering and laughing so hard! John was on fire this season!
Adam driver made it clear that he didn’t want any part of that though... but the Pringle and John Oliver... that’s a couple I’m shipping hard
@@alexandrarose149 It's a bit and he was in it. If it actually bothered him, he wouldn't have agreed to be part of the bit.
Never forget: Mulder and Scully INVENTED the term 'shipping'
Never forget lol
I didn’t know until I watched this video! I feel like an idiot, lol
Exactly we were the first. MSR Shippers 4 Life!
Ahh the ultimate x files fan is here. Love your vids
@@ijayawardena3692 😁💞 thankyou!
I thought it was Star Trek?
"We're all going around looking for depictions of our own romantic, sexual, and emotional fantasies. Shipping is a self narrative therapy." Well, I did not come here to get read so thoroughly. But here we are.
So the fact that they didn’t focus on romance is what later made it better and made a good romance?? Yes that’s literally all my ships really good friends or rivals who end up together
What?
No one cares about fan fiction. The issue is when people demand their shipping become canon and attack anyone that disagrees.
Thank you for being almost the only video essay channel I'm subscribed to that doesn't openly hate me for being a Reylo shipper 😭
Could you make a video about tropes in general?
Like how they come to be, how they impact our thinking and how we should handle them.
YESS I was always curious about it
That would be quite a long video but I’d watch it😂
Tropeception
lol yaas
Thank youuuuu for The X-Files on this amazing channel, I have waited this for so long 😍😍😍😍
Zuko and Katara will always be my biggest ship.
Zutara lives on in our hearts and minds.
God, if this isn't the truth. Zutara will ALWAYS be my top favorite fanon ship of Avatar.
YES!!! Zutara deserves the world but the world didn’t deserve Zutara
Please talk about the Queens Gambit. The main character breaks almost every convention in the female lead role. Its a really good show!
Las empanadas ✨💗
its so good omg
I would love a video about Beth Harmon!
I beg for this to happen!
I've been seeing this show on my Netflix recommendations, but I haven't gotten around to watching it because I didn't like the trailer. Is it actually worth watching? I've heard nothing but good things from the show, but I can't get over the fact that it seems like a show with a super smart chess lady (please don't come after me, fandom). What's the show about?
To be fair, fan entitlement has been going through the roof in all aspects of fandom, not just with the shippers. It's part of the effect the rise of social media has had on us. We've gone from fanzines (before my time) you had to physically share, to fansites, to social media groups. Fanfiction has gone from this niche thing to having dedicated large archives that even my older siblings (who used to belittle my fan activities two decades ago) not only know of, but are even using. Fan conventions that used to be just fan meet-ups with maybe a guest or two from the fandom, are now big business, and the entitlement there in guest requests are downright insane. It's the direct access, the immediate feedback.
In regards to shipping itself, for me it's about what I feel. I don't relate to the analysis that it's down to us seeing ourselves in the ship, because honestly there is just so much variety within the various characters I ship. For me personally it's down to chemistry, if I feel it. I fall in love with the bond I see between two characters. Sometimes it's a canon romance, other times it's not, sometimes it's a straight ship, other times it's a gay ship. Some fandoms I don't even have a ship in.
I also think creators are at times stifled by their fear of the "Moonlighter curse", they will either hold a developing romance back to keep the tension, or they will deliberately sabotage it to keep the tension after the characters get together. Like having a constant love triangle going, or an on-again-off-again thing. It's like they don't trust themselves to make a good story without resorting to these clichés. A show doesn't necessarily die just because the will-they-won't-they got together, if it dies it usually does because the creators didn't trust themselves to follow through with a good story.
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18:08 That’s one way to get on this channel... lol
Though the voice over’s characterization was off... 😞
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Oh damn thats unfortunate.. and not accurate, not once did I feel you acted entitled over your views and opinions
@@LF-mg3nx Nope.
@@AntoineBandele at least you got on the channel
I'm surprised there was no mention of The Vampire Diaries in here. That show has the most rabid shipping fandom I've ever seen.
I get why people liked Delena but Delena killed the show for me. The way they did it. I would not have had that much an issue with it if it was executed right. But I was sick of them after a while.
@@a.d.w8385 I'm guessing the reason behind people liking Delena is probably mostly something to do with chemistry and maybe the last two seasons seemingly somehow never really focused much on Delena eh idk
With a third season on the way, PLEASE do character studies on the Umbrella Academy! There’s so much to unpack there and I think you would have a fascinating take on them!
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I loved this! I hoped Zutara was going to be at least mentioned! Happy none the less!
I'd like the ATLA fandom to have a non-antagonizing, open conversation about Zutara and Kataang and why each side loves their ship. I struggle with seeing the potential in non-cannon ships, especially when a ship uses the enemies to lovers trope. I only ship Kataang for the resurgence of the airbenders.
@@lydiawalker0714 I like both(and I love that enemies to lovers trope lol), but tbh the hate for Zutara I very disproportionate if compared to Kataang, especially because the writers of TLA were the first ones to be toxic about it.
Not only the best ATLA ship but maybe one of the best ships of all time
5:02 : that's why, as an asexual woman, I was so in love with Mulder and Scully's relationship - like my platonic goal relationship even before I consciously knew my orientation.
As a lesbian I always felt a little impatient with how little truly platonic friendships are shown between men and women onscreen. The X Files is very dear to me because of it. I'm not mad they turned into a romantic relationship bc david and gillian really had good chemistry and the script made it seem very organic imo. But I do treasure all those seasons where they were friends with no desire for anything else
i never saw Xena as a lesbian, I saw her as bisexual. Xena was in love with several male characters most notably Hercules and his brother Ares. Can you guys do a video on bisexuality in film and tv cause I feel like characters are written as either gay or straight and excludes those that are bi and poly relationships as well like in the tv show Siren on freeform. It gave us a poly relationship only to have it form into two heterosexual relationships.
The did! It’s a video called: “Bisexuality stories onscreen, explained”
Was she? I remember she had a complicated relationship with Mars
Always check the backlog before suggesting. The bisexual stories was an excellent episode. Also gives them more chance to grow if lots of their episodes get regularly watched not just the new ones.
Xena was also in love with Borias & Marcus and considered being with Ulysses & Marc Antony.
I loved the poly rep in Siren! (although after a bit the guy was being douchey so I thought it'd be better for the women to ditch him...) I hope we get more poly rep in the Harley Quinn cartoon 'cause for a while in the comics Harlivy were in an strong & open relationship.
gay ships definetly formed my sexuality A LOT
Same. I shipped Harley and Ivy before I even heard about gay relationships, its a wonder it took me so long to realize I was bi. 😂
@@pLanetstarBerry The show than came out last year or there original meeting in the animated series?
@@rosieg6989 animated series. I keep forgetting Harley got her own show now, lol.
@@pLanetstarBerry It is REALLY GOOD. You can see most of it from clips on RUclips. Its completely bonkers and that's what I love about it.
@@rosieg6989 yes, I saw the pilot and a bunch of clips! The margarita mix joke damn near killed me twice. First from my first veiwing, second from trying to keep from laughing ahead of time and spoiling it for my spouse when I saw it again. We had a miscommunication that led to me watching it ahead of time, and I didn't want to tell them.
I didn't know i wanted a Take video on shipping until now. This was wonderful!
I've never shipped anyone as hard as I did molder and scully..how fitting that they were the first ship
Same here! Feel a bit proud to have been an OG shipper of the OG ship lol
Shipping is quite fun when its understood that it's for fun or exploration. I've seen so many ship wars and the increase of tension and attacks on show runners and crew. I think its a matter of staying so far in a the bubble of your fantasy that reality becomes far more upsetting that it may have been. I have ships I know will never happen. I ship for potential. But it shouldnt cloud how I see the original story.
Will and Hannibal: STOP TELLING EVERYONE WE'RE DEAD
Vince Gillian was one of the writers of the show, so we all know when it comes for character development, Vince is the man, yeah, we all know his work in another show..
it's just basic chemistry.
I've never clicked something so fast. Yesssss tell me about the SHIPSSS. 🚢
they become famous once they sink
Ditto lol
No one is gonna talk about how Harry Potter fandom literally ships Draco with an apple?
Idk the apple does look like a snack
Really, I wanna know more
It's a joke. A hilarious one but still a joke.
First the Takeaway now Take Two? As a long time viewer I'm so happy to see this channel succeeding and expanding. Keep up the great work!
This is really interesting! I was always wondering about the psychology behind it, despite seeing it as just another aspect of enjoying a movie, show or book. It's also a nice way meeting others online. I'd love to see more psychological takes like this, it was a nice video!^^
I don't ship much or am suuuper devoted to one but I do enjoy Rey x Kylo Ren. I wish some people in my community would calm down a lot but I also really wish people would stop cyberbullying people like me over wanting two fictional space wizards to kiss, especially after already seeing all the hate rising up in this comment section. Fandom and shipping should really not be taken *too* seriously.
Shipping creates some great art and focusing on love is very comforting in general, I believe. Dwelling in fictional love fantasies is indeed a good form of self exploration, especially for girls and young women.
I also am a Reylo shipper and totally agree with u on this. I just like to quietly enjoy the videos, edits, and fan art that are made for us but there are always people getting pressed about it from both sides. Overall, it’s not that serious and people should be able to like or not like in peace with each other
The most successful shipping enterprise came true when Elizabeth Banks kissed Woody Harrelson in Mockingjay Part 2 for the sake of fans
Oh so it wasn't in the book ?
I don't ship them but I like their relationship. I didn't know people shipped them at all but I can see why.
I saw the kiss as a relief of tension between two affectionate fuck buddies, not as a fully romantic one. Was a nice touch but not necessary to me.
There are tons of couples that came or stayed together because of popularity. Creators always considered that. For example in Sex and the City Carrie ended up with Mr. Big because they were popular, despite her being alone at the end of the book. In Friends Ross and Rachel weren't supposed to be the main couple and this video shows that even Scully and Mulder got together because the fans wanted it.
@@llel1416 not everything that happens in the world is "necessary"
That’s cute. Did not know that
It also helps Elizabeth was a huge shipper herself of Effie x Haymitch
There are fans who literally cyberbully the cast and crew into making their fanship canon. I could go on all day on the Supercorp shippers.
And merthur. It drives me nuts.
I think you get that in quite literally every fandom. I cannot think of one movie or show that has a non-canon ship where the fans haven't harassed the creators to make it canon. It's sad and frustrating, but unfortunately it's a part of fandom.
Or look at klance
You mean tjlc?
Shipping can go from fun possibilities to "I'm backing away now" in a fandom so quickly. The scarier side of shipping is when it goes beyond shipping fictional characters to shipping the actors that play such characters, like it has happened with Supernatural.
Shipping is fun and cool unless one goes to far and starts harassing others. And shipping real people can also be problematic as it can break up real life friendships
haven't watched the video yet, but since I'm early, gotta say how much I appreciate your videos. I wanna work with movies and be a director, your work has so much depth to it, it doesn't go unnoticed, thank you so much for all your effort!
it's like our own lives, we can survive without romance but when there is love everything else changes for the better. today, shipping is no different than memes: just because there are people who feel uneasy about it, doesn't mean shippers will stop.
Xfiles4ever. 👽 Thank you for covering Shipping and rightfully giving credit to Philes creating Shipping. Chris Carter even immortalized a famous Shipper after she died.
I think an intersection of shipping is when creators purposefully put in subtext long-term without any intention of commiting to it, or doing so haphazardly and last minute, Supernatural being a very pertinent example, with many instances of gay baiting during it's run, and then pulling a bury your gays at the last minute.
Exactly. This was the biggest form of queerbaiting I've ever seen. To have Castiel confess his romantic love for Dean and for this confession to never be addressed again and for Cas to just become an afterthought in the last 1.5 episodes, was just offensive. As a Destiel shipper for years I never expected the ship to become canon, and even after the confession I felt the ship would still end ambiguously, but not THAT ambiguously. Anyway, it was just gross and I hate how they baited us fans.
@@rianbeegles3349 yeah, I feel like this was a perspective missing from the video. I understand wanting to keep it concise but it had this air of Fans just shipping from simply their own desires essentially out of nowhere (which does happen). And not enough from when creators purposefully do so to string fans along. Especially fans from more marginalized groups who want to see representation to then get, nothing or worse than nothing.
I thought they were going to bring this up tbh
I shipped Scully and Mulder as a pre-teen and teen in the 90’s and I ship it to this day. Other couples like Rachel and Ross, now I’m like 👎.
Ok but, talking about entitlement in shipping but not about showrunners gay baiting fans to get views and engagement? Hmmmm
Literally every bad example they showed carried with itself the other side where creators were deliberately cashing in on the shippers, putting suggestive scenes sometimes for multiple couples at ones. But yeah, I guess shippers are the bad people smh.
@@KaterynaM_UA well yeah since some shippers seem to harass and bully people and send death threats to actors/wroters/creators
Yeah, I was waiting for that. I hate baiting so much.
I mean isn't it all mostly baiting? The shipping is about possibilities, John and Sherlock might have feelings for each other, they might just flirt, or they're just friends that are comfortable with each other. Same with male x female character form some other show
@@depressedcockroach4045 well, yes and no. Specially with those two, because they even openly mocked the fans for being invested in their show and the characters dynamics and called them crazy for it, in show. There is teasing which is what you describe, and then theres baiting where they insinuate it even outside the show's canon and constantly keep telling or insinuating to the audience it might happen and then use either a character or a line to mock them when it doesn't. Or like in spn, immediately kill one character when itsy confirmed it maybe couldvey been possible? And basically "punish" them for it.
Reylo was everything and after Rise of Skywalker I was literally ready to throw hands 😫
Can you believe that I watched TFA for the first time this year, well knowing how things ended, and still ended up enjoying the characters and the ship so much that I got attached to them and now I suffer for Ben's death like all the others.
I brought this upon myself 🤦🏻♀️
I was a casual shipper before, but after tros I fell of the deep end.
Loved the vid! You can obviously ship (almost) anyone, it’s nice to see people having fun with it & it’s important to be always respectful. I think there’s also a difference whether the ship serves the story & characters or not. This isn’t often considered among fandoms who label SHIPPING AS FAN SERVICE. Taking Reylo as an example, it fit the central story as Rey & Kylo both are main antagonist/protagonist their Dynamic was important & not just a side shafted story.
The Supernatural clips you included reminded me that you should do a take on some of their characters. The characters are so rich.
the should do at least 5 movies about them, especially since the show ended i love everything that is about brothers
Many hearts have been broken, many ships have sunk and many side characters have died in the Shipping Wars.
IMO X-File episode: Dr. Bambi & Moulder are openly flirting with one another while Scully's got sidelined. Scully's hidden jealousy is so hilarious and enchanting to watch. Love the subtleness of their relationship in that episode.
Buffy comics IS canon and Buffy and Spike did ended up together, had a beautiful healthy relationship in 2nd last season. But in the last season of the comic, writers just blew it off and never gave us WHY they broke up in the end. Last season of the comic didn't even had any story or character arc for anyone, it was just a shitty way to end an amazing comic.
Hear me out now. Buffy the vampire slayer ended in second last season of the comic, where in the last panel we can see Spike and Buffy hugging each other and enjoying the perfect sunset of san Francisco.
I really liked season 10 and 11, don't know what happened with that ending. It just seemed like they rushed it in order to move on to the next thing.
@@TheEmcr14 Yeah. I really like the new rebooted comic series. But they messed it up too in the end.
Spike and Buffy had some good moments together but her soulmate will always be Angel. I don't think she ever loved anyone as much as she loved him.
In the X-Files Mulder is not able to open up to Scully because of his absolute crippling porn addiction.
HAHAHAHAHS PLEASEEE
...and then you have ‘the bike’- the character that gets shipped with **everyone** - Gwaine in ‘Merlin’, anyone?
A good addition to this would’ve been Temperance Brennan and Seely Booth from “Bones”. I have no idea if fan-based shipping was going on in the early seasons, but in-universe, Temperance’s best friend Angela was rooting for her and Seely almost from the very beginning.
Shipping is literally you wanting someone but for someone else
yo that is NOT what happened with veronica mars, that is a willful misunderstanding of the problems with the fourth season, what the hell
is this that entitlement the video was talking about
Yes! I was just talking about this - I'm guessing the narrator here isn't very familiar with Veronica Mars - Logan and Veronica (LoVe - which, incidentally, I've never heard a fan pronounce it as "Low-Vee", it's simply said, "Love") have always been very popular. This ship never stopped being popular, hence the Kickstarter movie that was primarily driven by LoVe shippers! Rob Thomas obviously grew tired of it, and he ended the show in the spectacularly terrible way that he did, and consequently drew the ire and anger from the vast majority of Veronica Mars fans.
@@efnfen No, not at all. She is pointing out that the narrator/writer clearly doesn't know Veronica Mars well, because the Logan/Veronica ship never became unpopular, and that is actually why the public reaction to S4 is so terrible. Now, if your argument is that fans shouldn't have gotten so angry at Rob Thomas, then you could make that case. But the information in the video about the LoVe ship and fan reaction to it is factually incorrect.
Yes! I just have to think this is an uninformed 'throwaway' comment. LoVe (pronounced love) was there, in a very real and very palpable form, since the start of season 1. Not simply a product of fan shipping. We got on board because it evolved organically onscreen. But, then RT suddenly didn't know how to write for Logan anymore and everything went to pot...
@@rebeccab8555 Yes! Veronica and Logan always had chemistry. I think they had just intended for her to an independent, single woman and couldn't figure out how to write her in a relaionship.
The important thing is to ship and let ship. Enjoy it, stay in your lane, do not ask anyone to "explain why you ship" because you're not entitled to anyone's time or explanation, and absolutely DO NOT harass other people for not agreeing with you. You can vent about a ship you dislike all you want in your own bubble, just don't tag that nonsense for the intention of upsetting other people. They're not gonna suddenly change their mind because you don't like it.
I lost count the amount of times I have been on the end of vitriol hate because I shipped, quote, "problematic ships". Even if I did, it's fiction. It's not a reflection of my character and it's certainly not your business.
The best thing to do is to not get too involved in fandoms, just find your circle of fellow shippers and keep out of arguments. If someone tries to stir up shit whether @ you or in the pro-tag, block them. Do not engage. Take it from me, the older you get, the less you give a shit about juvenile ship wars. None of it matters, this is all meant to be just for fun.
Oh and please stop shipping real life people. If you're gonna do it, keep it to yourself.
This. Thank you.
Personally, on one hand, I think it's okay to ship whatever you want (even the most problematic/taboo ships imaginable) as long as it's tagged properly and warnings are given for the more problematic/taboo content, and so forth (and they don't promote or replicate those behaviors in real life). And they should not have to be harassed, shamed, or told that it's wrong to ship those ships.
HOWEVER, at the same time, other people have every right to be disgusted by those same problematic/taboo ships and be able to say so and criticize said ship (as long as they are not attacking the shipper(s)). And they have every right to block, side-eye, and disassociate themselves with those shippers if they wish to.
@@faststart5767 Oh for sure, I’ve seen the craziest ships imaginable. But it never crossed my mind to invade their space and start spitting at them. I do not understand how other people think it’s okay to do this? Just stop. Mind your own.
Me growing up shipping guys in anime... later discovered I'm a lesbian. Ah yes.
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But You hate Evangelion since the anime insulted you for shipping characters. Right?
@@whathell6t don't watch evangelion. Fine with character ships, but I'll ship them how I like in my art haha.
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You still haven’t answer my question or at least try correct my assumptions.
I've been wondering what the psychology on shipping was for a long time and couldn't find anything on the internet that explained it. I'm really glad you guys made this video. If you could go into more depth about the psychology that would be great.
Do a whole video on Destiel. I don't even watch but that is honestly super fascinating. Like it was trending above the election!
Sarah z has a great video on it
I've been wondering a lot about these things recently, and this take does resonate with my ideas about It. Our relationship with fandoms in general, and ships specifically, has a lot to do with our own needs and feelings projected onto media. We experiment through them in a safe way, therefore it's just natural we can come to be so passionate about It
I am a simple woman, I read the word ship and here I am.
same
i think shipping is fun. it's what brings part of a fandom together and personally i made a lot of good of friends because of it. but sometimes the people take it too far. shipping irl people, harassing actors and threatening people involved in the creation of a show it's the most cringe thing lmao, but i guess that has more to do with the fanatism in some individuals than shipping in general.
Yall really said "Harry and just about everyone else" while showing us those pictures?
The audacity.
I remember shipping Elsa with Jack Frost 💙
Another jelsa fan. I ship it too. But I'm more of a passionate yet chill kind of fan.
@@avidreader4140 hehe ❄️
That’s cute
Haha. I would have been happy for Jack to be with anyone.
Doubleca5t's cameo!! I'm so thrilled for her.
I love Reylo! It’s cool if others don’t. It’s not for everyone, and that’s ok 💖
"Get a life, nerds!"
Although it wasn't directed at shippers, I can't help but sympathize with Mark Hamill's very succinct take down of unreasonable fans. Beyond potentially poor writing or acting - which can be legitimate reasons for disappointment - what does it say about the fans themselves when they're so invested in their own visions that they become hostile when the creators of their beloved franchises don't conform to their expectations?