very dumb video, its wow classic, u dont need any prep. farming bis gear for p2 in p1 is a dumb idea coz it will take so much time to kill mobs with the lvl we r in right now... also levelling alts right now is another dumb idea as blizzard said that in p2, we will have a %50 xp buff until 25... do it if u r %100 free of course. jerome u suck man
"Think of phase 2 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for phase 3! Just think of phase 3 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for phase 4!. Just think of phase 4 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for MC!"
Hi BL, this is a very funny comment and it is the truth. I play for the future always and a brighter future. Each phase I want to position myself in a better place and avoid the pain of missing a raid lockout or failing on a boss or being late to the PvP battleground scene. I just want to do things better each time. I get that it's sort of a pyramid scheme..but that's the nature of these MMO phases. What about you - are you playing for the now? How do you manage it?
I think the min-maxing is great for those that want to do it but also helps me to know the most efficient things to do and i dont think there is anything wrong with that, or playing a different style then the meta
hi Jean, I love your take. it's not so much that we NEED to minmax but wasting time feels very bad..somewhat like how it feels to die on lorgus jett because your healer was dpsing. it's nice to know the best way to do things. do you feel that way about anything specific? for me goldfarming and not doing the best method feels terrible
GDKP isn’t “controversial”, it’s banned. Permanent account bans are now on the table. Not to mention it helps feed the army of bots that diminish the game for all of us.
Hi Dan, you are right that they are banning GDKPs, I recorded this right before the ban and added the warning after. It's very surprising to me that GDKP is banned, I didn't really think they would go through with that. It certainly feeds goldbuying and makes gold into the star of the game. But will people really stop running GDKPs even with the threat of bans? People still buy gold with the threat of bans
I agree with this ignacio. It feels like they are blaming a result of goldbuying and botting instead of actually trying to solve goldbuying and botting. I hope they will still try to solve those problems..What do you think will happen next? Will the gdkp ban fix our problems?@@ignaciosaenz6352
Don’t send alts gold on another account or y get banned and cannot talk to a human. Talking 80 freaking gold… and after 7 tickets proving I own both accounts cannot talk to a human. Unreal. Good they ban gdkps… those are for the scrubs anyways
That's terrible that you got banned sending gold from character to character..They have automated systems and they just don't know what is actually happening. Will you be getting unbanned soon? I hope@@vladchenkov9215
I LOVE the casual min-max culture rn. Almost all my enjoyment comes from farming these new "prebis" items for the new 10 man raids. Super fun! Most guilds ive seen are pretty casual about gearing anyway
it's gonna be so fun but i'm tellin you gnomer is going to be hard. i'm worreid about failing to clear it today/tmrw. what kind of plans do you have boschea?
hi andreas you have to get lucky and find someone selling it. alternatively you can piece together your own world tour from various locks. the hard one to find is kargath as horde. these locks need 5+ chars to do world tours so it's pretty hard to find. well worth it if you do though. how are your FPs looking?
locks selling all the FPs because they have way too many accounts from wotlk gdkps lol. locks have really pushed the goldmaking this phase and gotten creative. alas mages will ruin them next phase, lock meta will be dead
With the changes to caster loot from dungeons and crafting, the only prebis you need from bfd the sp neck and the trinket. Even the epic weps have decent alternatives you'll more than likley get before 40 if you dungeon grind.
it's true you can get a lot of items outside bfd that are better now. this was pre-change, but still. we might just go in with bfd gear and see what happens. they say the raid won't be too hard, though I suspect kelris level bossfights (at least 1-2)
Oh yeah, it looks like a lot of the gear from dungeons that got changed is pretty on par with bfd loot. I bet going into gnomer with bfd loot will be just fine
hi pmhz docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zd9VqutFxSvLdNklp-ZM6Z78_FnfKmdsZ4bQxVe5BqE/edit#gid=0 this sheet will show you how to optimize leveling with dungeons. do you have a dungeon group planned?
i agree to the comment of kakashi. You can kinda compare it with the "real world" every1 needs to be fast better and has the newest shit immediately. Noone is enjoying the journey but gets burned out when he hits everything to fast... i can understand it on retail, but classic wow can be enjoyed with way slower pace
totally agree the burnout is real and rushing does not really pay off. but here i am trying to blast through 25-40..when do we learn. good luck today drbaddave hope you have fun :D
we are debating that right now. probably bfd 2nd. opens you up to ganks but bfd at 27 seems a lot easier than at 25 doesn't it? what do you plan to do?
@@NOHITJEROME try to dungeon grind and hit lock out then head to bfd then hand in quests. if not probably hit BFD off the bat then hand in quests not sure yet.
hi runawaylilgirl they just added a vendor that you can swap for 75g...you think it's worth it? www.wowhead.com/classic/news/bfd-void-trinket-available-in-booty-bay-75g-cost-mustve-completed-the-quest-337595
if you scan trade chat and lfg bulletin board people sell summons to places like kargath. at least at peak hours. often can get multiple summons from the same guy to multiple locations at a discount. it's insanely nice if your server has a guy like that
I kinda agree with Kakashi, though I haven't had that many bad experiences with min-maxers and parsing. The only complaint I have is that people are way to sweaty. I started a bit late with SOD because I only heard about it 2 weeks after launch. I played classic but that's about it. So it wasn't on my radar. I thought I'd give it a try and I'm enjoying it so far. The problem I'm having is, I'm a complete casual. Not that much experience. I skipped many dungeons in my classic playthrough. BFD for example. I never did it. And when I finally reached 25 in SOD, people expected 7/7 exp and asking about gear score and such. Took me like 2 days to find a group who didn't mind having 1 unexperienced player and explaining the raid to me. And to me that's what SOD is all about. Socializing and overcoming these new mechanics and just having a good time.
Hi Janiso, I definitely see the sweat and the gatekeeping aspects are abysmal. It is such a frustrating situation to be in your shoes where you are willing to learn and master the raid and nobody will let you join their group without experience. Has the vibes of a company asking for 5 years of experience in an industry where nobody could have worked that long lol. (AI perhaps) I'm glad you managed to find a group in the end and get into the raids because it always feels bad to see that someone has dropped out of raiding entirely due to the gatekeeping. Have you been able to consistently raid ever since? I hope so.
@@NOHITJEROME yes I have been able to raid since then! Ultimately the raid is super easy, that's why I don't understand the gatekeeping, lol. Especially thanks to people like you, who do guide videos and explain certain aspects of the game a casual like me might never find out. So I'm grateful for your work, and thank you for answering me!
Yeah I had one of my guildies rage last night that he wanted to be the only warrior dps so he could parse and you could tell he was actually upset over it 😂😂😂😂 autism is really in these parsers
So just jotting down this list: 1. Pay people to boost you through stockades, ignore the 50% xp boost coming in phase 2. 2. Get runes... nudge people to spend money to be summoned to rune locations? 3. Get waylaid supply rep now, you definitely don't want to do it when the rewards are increased in phase 2. Do not stockpile completed supplies. 4. Buy 12 slot bags now, don't level tailoring and make yourself Mageweave bags in phase 2. 5. Get BIS gear now, before you just replace most of it in phase 2... because BFD gear will definitely be necessary and not overshadowed or more easily farmed later. The rest of it is getting mats, gold and flightpaths, maybe headstarting quests... I didn't see anything to poke at there; those all are reasonable and would be more beneficial to do sooner than later... but the rest other than getting all your phase 1 runes seem like more trouble and more costly than they are worth.
hi conformistowl i know a lot of these seems obvious or over the top but man i got crazy excited with the p2 launch coming. it's going to be an absolute blast logged out in bfd ready to go :D you got any big day1 plans?
@@NOHITJEROME Nah, just gonna enjoy it; even if Phase 3 comes faster than 2, there's still probably 2 months of time to kill. I don't need to rush anything.
Hi Al, great question. I lost my mind setting up Gathermate2. You need 1.47.2 which is here www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gathermate2-classic/files/4724035 - if you use any other version it won't work. It's the wrath version I believe, very confusing terminology. Did you try 1.47.2 yet?
Excellent Al, if that doesn't work let me know because I did manage it. Had a 2 hour session of pulling my hair out. I believe my problem was that I was looking at the WOTLK tag on curseforge thinking it wouldn't work but the reality was ONLY the newest version works.
it's true bob you are not wrong but man I have some p1 regrets. it's nice to go into p2 knowing you are doing everything possible to succeed. do you have any p1 regrets? I missed a full clear the first lockout..it hurt
Great video NOHITJEROME, this is helpful and concise! As for the min maxing, I don't let it bother me much. Sure, there's some people who like to play the game that way but I don't. Actually, I believe the majority of players aren't min maxing. Just because it exists doesn't mean you need to participate and casual players shouldn't feel pressured to play that way. Streamers and their communities highlight min maxing a bit more. It's a streamers job to play WoW and the people who follow them probably make a lot of time for the game. For someone like me who plays casually and with friends, it's important to take a step back and enjoy the game for what I like about it.
Hi Bryce, thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you are able to enjoy the game without feeling the pressure to play a specific way. Actually having a choice in the matter must be very freeing and make the game more fun as a result. It is undoubtedly true that streamers highlight min maxing much more. I find myself often more stressed watching streams and seeing how the streamers are playing and creating that urgency to play a specific way. I will always be watching streams and having that happen so it is inevitable. I would definitely prefer to be able to step back and enjoy the good parts of the game at least some of the time. Do you find yourself avoiding streams around new expansion/phase launches to keep your enjoyment levels high? Or are you just able to avoid getting peer pressured entirely
Honestly, I'd say I enjoy watching streams like yours more around launch because of the hype. Especially with SoD, I'm **discovering** it alongside the streamers and I can use it as a way to learn. Ultimately I just keep in mind that streamers have an edge that someone without a following won't have. Even meta rune, for example, is an achievement for a casual player but for a streamer it's more of a "check in the box." Aside from entertaining content and community, I watch streams and YT videos like this one to learn stuff I wouldn't have found out on my own. @@NOHITJEROME
My raid leader is a Parse Is Everything type player. I think this is missing the point of SoD. I am enjoying playing WarCraft again. If we are clearing BFD under 40 mins; why worry about the gawddam parse?
I get that Yuric - I just did a run where we specifically stopped DPS on gelihast to maximize some parses..I far prefer the speedrun style IF we are going to go hard. So maybe 2-3 runs of chill then a speedrun where we all get buffed and try hard. Parses feel too intentional right now, you have to really change the way you play to get a good parse. Do you enjoy the speedrun style more or do you just want to chill in every raid?
@@NOHITJEROME I will go hard and balls to the wall if the mood is right; but I hate the added stress of this "parse" mechanic. Like who seriously thinks being 100 or as close as possible is going to give you some Achievement in game. It does literally nothing. Oh I'm sorry we didn't clear the raid in 25 mins as opposed to 40 mins. WTF. I have heard of the 10 min speed run clear which seems insane to me. What is that? 6 mages and 4 support?
Parsing is in the eye of the beholder. The population is big enough for any level experience or skill player to find a band of people as such to play the game with. It’s the same content as everyone else at the end of the day, with the same reset timer, with the same loot table. By a large margin, the player base is not stressing over maxing sweat for top parse %’s. As long as they aren’t wiping and are having successful raid clears. Overall imo it is a cool tool for the game that has helps people become better players, if that’s what they want. I strive to do well within raids and focus up because I like to see myself parsing well, it is personally rewarding to reflect on performance I felt impressed about for myself mostly as well as competition and comparisons with others. It’s what you make it and you don’t have to follow those trends or guilds/players if you do not want to. Always look out for the ones who are willing to diminish and discard raid tactics/overall raid success, having only tunnel vision, self-serving goals to always be the ‘top’ dps or heals on that parse sheet, is all that matters to them. They are abundant and inevitably can cause more harm than good, especially when focus is progression and making sure you’re doing what you need to be doing collectively as a raid for the boss to die. If everyone in a 40 man raid acted as so self-serving, it would be meat head zug zug mayhem sh*t show, especially in progression attempts. Lastly, It’s also a great tool for especially raid leaders to track things or look back if needed in order to fully understand what happened during the fight, etc. I have spoken.
As someone who raided mythic on retail pretty hardcore I gotta say min-maxing on current level is cringe imo and most ppl aren't even good enough to utilize the min-max anyway, but it's not my business how others want to play.
Hi MT, I fully agree that min maxing can be cringe especially gatekeeping players and stopping them from joining the community. But if I don't do SOME min max I lose interest in the game especially as a healer. Have to work towards something or I fall asleep mid raid lol. How do you keep yourself motivated without the minmax culture?
@@NOHITJEROME Oh, don't get me wrong. I love min-maxing, hell, Cata's stats reforging is to this day one of my fave systems they have every implemented (for post wotlk-era, tho it would have been interesting to have in wotlk), but I will only min-max my 60's because imo it's the only time it will really matter. However I do it for probably the same reason as you. Because it's fun :D So what's keeping me motivated is knowing I can truly take my time and enjoy the game before the max level chaos will be unleashed when we finally get there. I guess it's just a case of enjoying the calm before the storm and the oncoming storm itself :)
Hi MT, I am very excited for the cata reforging and I like that style of gear minmaxing. Frankly it's disappointing to have a bis gearpiece and see everyone else with the exact same items. Would be nice to differentiate gear in some way. I do like that mindset of being able to enjoy the calm before the storm. The problem for me is that the storm sweeps me up and it's very hard to relax and enjoy things if I see others far ahead of me. I envy your ability to do this.
@@NOHITJEROME Yeah I get that feeling. I used to have it when I only played wow, though it will def come back at 60 for me, prob a bit earlier since the gearing starts before 60, but you catch my drift. One of the good things of SoD now is that it gives you time to enjoy other games too imo, which prevents a lot of my burnout I would get from playing this game since TBC ^^ and yeah, reforging again is really exciting. It was the perfect system for its time, allowing you to hit your spec's thresholds easier, like assa's 17% (or was it 21?) hit cap. Also keep it up with your videos, they are super chill to watch.
Hi MT, I do like that SoD is preventing a lot of burnout and it lets you come in and out whenever you want. They are adding a 1-25 50% XP bonus, as well as a new sleeping bag item to give rested xp similar to Turtle WoW if you ever heard of that pserver. Finally we can gain xp while asleep.. :D I do like the reforging system, it is surprising we have never seen such a system in vanilla. Would you like to see it in Classic? Or is it too close to cata/retail
I create my own pugs, so i don't ever have to worry about being gatekept when it comes to content. People should get used to leading groups, instead of waiting around for someone to invite them. Especially while these are 10 man raids, get used to it before it becomes 40 player content, creating a group is sometimes just inviting other random people to do a big dungeon together.
i love that you make your own groups and that makes perfect sense. you will be punished the least with the gdkp change I am sure. your approach is what I wish more people followed but unfortunately they do not..even planning gnomer runs will be hard. do you have a gnomer already set up and planned?
No gnomes planned, I just invite random, and look for the mare minimum by my standards. I try not to inv all bis people because then the gear that drops is kinda worthless
Lots of people have different views as to what makes wow 'fun' for them. For me, it's speed running and trying to do as much damage as I can I'm also really into the wpvp!
Hi Glock, I love the speedrunning scene and would like to get into that myself. I think that's a completely valid approach to the game. If only I could find a speedrun group with the same mindset for at least one character. How did you manage to find your group initially?
I have so much IRL stuff to do atm that i bearly can play, i try to get my 23 Warri to 25 before the next Phase. Today i bought some investments from the AH (more speculative than smart) and finished my Phase 1 Recap Video... sooo we will see how it goes @@NOHITJEROME
i started in classic re release 2019 and got super hooked from classic to wotlk. I came from competitive tournament level Overwatch so I treated this game the same. I think there are two kinds of people that play this game, the drunk boomer just playing for fun, and the adderall zoomer trying to get the largest numbers. Both are valid, you just need to find a group that serves the way you play.
Hi Dishware, that's fascinating that you come from comp OW and started in 2019, I had a similar path. The way players treat comp OW is very serious in my experience. I got flamed a LOT playing attack torbjorn. (sorry about doing that lol) I would imagine coming to WoW you have found it a lot more relaxed and less intense. Getting the largest numbers is not quite at the stress level the same as getting farmed in comp OW from my experience. How has the OW to WoW transition been for you?
@@NOHITJEROME I think the biggest thing I took away from playing high level Overwatch was the love of self improvement in my gameplay. There are a lot of players like that in wow so I was able to find some hardcore guilds who were willing to put in effort to achieve cool stuff. I love how in wow there is that flow from a 'free' play where you have a lot of the tools to just make your own fun and 'objective' oriented play where there is a goal and you can optimize towards it.
Hi Dishware, I love that you were able to take away such a valuable lessen from OW. I learned that lesson from DotA when I played it and unfortunately never translated it to WoW. As a healer I simply don't have much reason to push myself and it leads to very lackluster effort on my part. Having a top hardcore guild to push and achieve things would help me a lot, though the guild I'm in is solid. (not flaming them they are good players) Oddly the part you like about the free play and setting your own goal is the part that overwhelms me and causes problems. I wish I had a very clear and direct goal on what to do at all times. OW certainly had that and DotA as well.
I don't think the parse/minmax culture is bad, it kind of depends on the person that is as well. I minmax because its fun and sometimes I get into groups with people that are geared and are just playing casually not using the right runes to actually do DPS, in my eyes I find that kind of annoying. When they have so much access to info that will help them at least do average damage. I have no actual hate for the casual player base when they just try to have fun, it just tends to make my experience worse when I or the group has to carry them.
When people say Min Maxing and Parsing ruining game it makes me think they garbo and expect to be carried all the time. At first, I never peeked at logs when filling spots on raid since most our members do solid damage me being lowest as a shaman tank at 100 DPS average and i figure we didnt have to. But then you get those pugs who play S-Tier dps fighting our restro druid for 8th place DPS. Too many people have Main Character Syndrome and don't realize I am not going to waste 9 other players time because you don't want to spend a little time on your character. Plus it SUCKS losing gear to a player doing 40 DPS.
Hi Brandon, I suppose the question is whether the dislike of minmaxing culture comes from not being part of it OR if they were part of it and burned out as a result. I completely agree with your point that if someone joins and doesn't put in effort it drags the whole group down. The difference is when they want to improve or if they are satisfied with where they are. If they don't want to improve it can lead to a lot of drama..or just people losing interest in the raid entirely. And they always get the gear even putting in low effort like you said. The less effort you do the higher the loot luck lol. Have you had a lot of experiences with people not looking to improve in SoD? And just expecting all the loot? It has been rare for me but I've seen it a few times.
I don’t think “Min Maxing” is even an issue currently. People who complain about Min Maxing are saying it just because it’s a term that gets thrown around a lot. It's easier to blame something else. I slowed down raiding on alts lately and just been raid logging on Main for about 2 weeks. But when I want to raid on an alt, I send a whisper to a few people who post in LFG and would hop into a PuG relatively easily. Some of my alts I don’t log on and they don’t have logs. The only time I got asked about logs was when they wanted to know if I knew the fights. The only time I can see it being a bit more Elitist is new phases for a little cause people want to clear the content. Once people figure out how the raid works and get their feet wet the “min maxing” dies down. Minus some of the sweaty guilds. With as many people who take criticism as a personal attack it’s not even worth trying to help randoms. I used to try pm players helpful tips and 90% of the time they tell you play your own class or something a bit ruder.
Hi Serg, it's a great point there will be a 50% xp boost and presumably more waylaid supply XP. But do you want to be stuck leveling even at 50% increased speed 1-25? You want to be in gnomeregan getting farmed by Thermaplugg. :D Will you really want to be leveling 1-25 instead at that time Serg?
@@NOHITJEROME Depends. If you are really intent on having basically two or more mains and not miss a single raid lockout on either one of them, then sure. But otherwise i still would wait for the +50% XP and use those hours doing something else that will benefit the main more. I would focus on things that don't take too long, but still give a decent benefit. Like getting the runes/flightpaths.
How is it saving time if you spend more time leveling? 😅 Not gonna touch any alts until phase 2, would just be a colossal waste of time cos there's no point to try to get them decked out now.@@NOHITJEROME
I recently got the BFD Quest Trinket for the 2nd time on the same character , IF i delete my already equipped trinket. It will be able to re-start the Quest and gain XP + Trinket from it?
don't believe so, the quest seems to be a one time thing. but there are better trinkets in p2 - have you seen the new bloodmoon pvp trinkets? they will be better
I feel like there is room enough for the whole community, people that wanna minmax and ppl that wanna play casually, theres plenty of BFD pugs with no requirements to join, and with some gear most wsg premades in trade chat will take you aswell. Also I feel like the minmax community is much smaller than the casual community in SoD, hence why I said that theres room for everybody.
Obviously he is getting that feeling from somewhere like the people he plays with. Kakashi just needs to join a new guild or join one if he isn't in one. Play with people that share your same attitude/playstyle. Simple as that.
Hi Bartlett, that's a great response. I do think the guild very much determines how much you enjoy the game. Some guilds I feel like people only are in them to brag about their accomplishments. Leads to nonstop achievement spam (in Wrath)..nonstop "I just got this new epic" type stuff which is great but man it can wear on you if you are behind. Was extra rough with the GDKPs, everyone bragging about how much gold they made..the cheap items they bought. Now they are getting rid of GDKPs though, maybe that is enough to bring the community back together. Do you think it will have any positive impact?
don't forget flightpaths..full stock of consumes based on each levelup..plan your build in advance (and respec for leveling)..boon DMF for gnomeregan, get recipes for p2 ready to go. you got all that reaady? :D
Hi Goldenace, I like your approach. It's the approach I would prefer to take. But somehow I go crazy and start losing my mind if I'm behind everyone else lol. I don't know how you manage to stay calm watching everyone else finishing the raid and doing all the new content. Is it meditation? Or your brain just works better than mine
@@NOHITJEROME hahaha that’s so true. No, I have prepared quests for only my hunter but not for my other 4 characters otherwise I am afraid of arriving at the same stage as in phase 1 and just farming gold and bfd over and over again... But yes it’s too tempting to see everyone rushing we want to be among the first to enjoy degnomeragan 😁
That's really all you need. Prequesting 1 character nearly sent me to an early grave. I am very happy to just do 1 character. I think you are making the right call. I hope I will not lose my mind if I get behind. Will need to reach out to you for advice on that lol@@goldenace3457
it sounds bad when you put it that way but I gotta be honest this is how a lot of players think. maybe it's the way cowardly alliance players think at least. what about you - do you completely avoid all those activities? an honorable man
it's a good idea bmcash just play the game. but we need to get ready to kill gnomes (in and out of gnomeregan :D) - can't do that without some prior prep and knowledge can we? i am only good when I plan ahead
Min/maxing SOD is kind of counterintuitive to the culture of this current season -- being discovery, slowing things down, making them easier on purpose. That being said, I have done Phase 2 prep (thanks for the guides my guy!) and I enjoy the high level content so I'm not gonna say it's all bad. It's just a preferred playstyle. GDKPs needed to be banned and I'm very glad they will be moving forward. Gold buying, to me, has very little excuse and ruins the in-game economy. Taking out large gold sinks is a nice community building regulatory feature. If you're so pressed for time that you justify buying gold or you relied on GDKPs for income, I'm sorry to say that I think you should play other versions of WoW where those things are either a) allowed explicitly by Blizzard as they will sell you the gold and items themselves or B) a classic version where GDKPs and gold buying are still basically allowed SOD is already absurdly easy (runes are busted in so many ways lmao) so the min/maxing benefit is significantly decreased unless you're just really into world firsts or speedrunning -- which is fine! -- there's little reason for it.
Hi Shinyshoez, I completely agree that minmaxing is counterintuitive to the idea of Season of Discovery. But like you said if you just ignore the high level content you end up missing a fun aspect of the game. Slow turtle runs can only get me so far lol As for GDKPs, we will see what ends up happening. Maybe the goldbuying and botting will plummet. I would like to see that very much. Do you believe the GDKP ban will have positive results?
@@NOHITJEROME Yeah, good point. There's a balance. I think the content is easy enough that as long as people learn fights, it's usually not an issue. Maybe I've just been lucky. I do believe the ban will be overall a positive on the game and encourage people to join and stick with guilds to gear up.
Minmaxing/parses has never mattered that much in any version of the game. Issues arise when someone who's not a minmaxer joins a guild that intends to minmax. If you just want to play the game, do some light raiding and such, there are metric tons of guilds that do just that where no one has purple parses or cares that much about how prepared you are, if that's what you want from the game.
Sure, It's never mattered that much to most players. And of course, people can play any way they want. My point is SoD is ALL "light raiding" and nostalgia with some fun new content. Getting sweaty about any version of WoW has always seemed silly to me. SoD doubly so.@@MidWitPride
Hi NHJerome, I did no prep. I am disappointed since P2 annoucement. The thing is, and we can see it from the time phase 2 was announced: Or people doesn't play anymore, that's the sad beauty of patchs, it gives us a seeUlater hype (much less people in TB since then, did you notice?), Or people only play to prepare for next. So what's the point of the current game? ☺
Hi Gary, the nature of the subscription based game is that we will always be hyping up the next content and getting excited for it. We can't be satisfied with what we have now. I wish we could just play the same patch and get updates consistently and reliably. It would be my dream too instead of having to play 40 hours on Feb 8 to keep pace. Maybe microsoft will get rid of subscriptions and allow us to play that way. Do you think it will ever happen?
I see his point somewhat of being exhausted by the cyclical nature of the game. If we didn't have paid subscriptions we wouldn't need to do phases this way. Could slowly roll things out over time and give us a better overall experience. Don't see them ever getting rid of subs though..
Wouldnt it be just more efficient time use to level up new toons once p2 comes out since they will introduce a 50% exp gain to 25? Feel like leveling alts now is just a waste of time when you can wait less than a week and get joyous journeys 1-25
hi zStC1 I completely understand your point and it's a solid point to make. but to me the leveling still has to take place even if you are getting 50% boosted xp. did joyous journeys in WOTLK motivate you to level a gnome from 1-80? (with weird hair and a sketchy beard) It didn't do that for me. But it DID motivate me to level some mid 60-70 characters to 80. Curious how you approached wrath - was it similar to how I did?
@@NOHITJEROME You are talking about leveling now vs leveling later, either way you are leveling so motivation to level an alt has already been established. And as you said, leveling has to take place, so why not wait for it to get a boost? In theory, any method to level now will only be improved in phase 2 in the 1-25 bracket with the boost.
yess dawuid and with that gold you get a mount in p2 and ride around picking herbs, mining, slaying gnomes :D anything you want to do. what can you do without gold?
my p2 prep is looking at other games i might play when my suspiscion that ranged hunter is the new shadowpriest, are confirmed. my min-max is just viable ranged, or bbye wow.
Hmm..other games..I am with you but unfortunately there are no other games. Blizzard has us handcuffed. Hunter will be launching traps 400 yards across AB and there's nothing we can do about it. But surely there must be something you are looking forward to in phase 2. You must be excited for some aspect of the news
Hunters will be absurd @weariestrogue. The trap launcher..but also melee hunter itself will be broken. Trap launcher just seems poorly designed for PvP. I can already imagine slow walking towards blacksmith as I get mowed down..Have I convinced you to play Hunter yet? lol
@@NOHITJEROME look. i played hunter 20 yrs, because its ranged phys class. thats not viable in p2. its BM and DW in pve. spam that raptor/KC macro, and stay in melee as much as u can. advantage, u can also do a bit of damage if melee has to run out. i agree, it is probably good, somewhere in the middle of the parsed classes. feral, warrior, shammy and mage will be ahead. likely rogue and lock on par or so. for pvp, as a deep surv spec with wyvern, p2 hunter is too much fun to be allowed to stay - traplauncher will be nerfed, the CD changed and duration of procs from mastery changed, atleast. thats week 2 of p2. as well, the BM will be OP again, and we know what that means as well. seeing the accident before it happens, just prolongs the agony, no? but the ranged (MM) hunter will be a meme. purely there to buff melee, played by the likes of me, because i detest the melee hunter as a thing. i was there when the memes started, now its THE spec. it horrifies me, honoestly. i dont think i can do it. it goes against every aspect of the game i loved. if steadyshot and expose weakness didnt share slots and sniper training lasted 6-7 sec, and we had a QoL tome to convert strength to agility - id be happy nuff not gonna happen tho, is it.
Hi Sebastian, I respect that you played hunter for 20 years and enjoy the ranged physical nature of the class. But isn't BM going to be a lot of fun? Ripping people up with Bestial Wrath. The melee aspect is very controversial and may prove to be a mistake. I get you not liking the idea of melee hunter especially since you fell in love with the ranged gameplay. MM may not be a complete meme though, Trueshot aura may be enough to make them necessary in such a melee-oriented meta. (at least that's how things are trending) I just think Blizzard has their hands full with pets right now and they don't know how to balance BM and MM at the same time. They will probably give MM a look in P3 if it is still dead. I hope you have not quit the game by then.@@sebastianbergstl4423
When it comes to minmax culture, i don't think it's that big of a deal, as usually the tryhards and the casuals don't interact that much with each other. Minmaxers don't run dungeon pugs, but farm with their guildies. When it comes to the open world, minmaxers are usually doing some esoteric niche farm in middle of nowhere that casuals aren't even aware of. If someone does not want to minmax, then they should join a guild that doesn't minmax either, there's plenty of those around. It's quite rare to see any of the top5% players of the server go around harassing casuals, as they have very few shared activities in the game, and minmaxers have very little to gain from interacting with people who aren't as dedicated as they are. From what i've seen usually the people who are the most against "minmaxers" are those who tried really hard to be one of the minmaxers, joined a tryhardy guild, didn't read up on the mechanics/gear their character correctly/have the correct weakauras or otherwise didn't perform as expected, and got yelled. Now they are mad about "toxic elitism".
Hi tazanian this is a great strategy. Unfortunately my prep is to lock up the free action potion vault and keep them all for myself. You will need to start farming centaurs for 4 gold an hour for the next 100 hours straight. Good luck, I hope this works for you.
i don't think the min max is making the game less fun just feels a little un-needed its like a simple 10 man raid and going into the raid fully blind takes maybe 1 or 2 clears to get the hang of it in true classic your min maxing to a big 40 man raid soo it feels more of a guild effort rather then running an ubers also kinda disappointed that they made gnomer a 10 man with another 3 set tier just seems kinda half assed imo
I agree it's unneeded and I spent 500 gold on prep and it's pretty silly because gnomer will be an easy 10man. but I need something fun to do and it kept me distracted a while lol. you ready my friend? time is ticking :D
im not as prepared as most but im decent off going into the phase honestly ive been spending most of my time playing turtle wow its really my favorite form of classic wow and its got more to come@@NOHITJEROME
No buzz? I hope the wrath is going well at least. I still do 1 weekly wrath raid, the buff makes the raids fast and fun. GDKPs (if you are morally ok with them) keep the gold flowing. I'm saving up to host some big tournaments and get fangs of the father in cata. What about you? :D
@@NOHITJEROME I’m enjoying wotlk! Trying to make some Gold and leveling a DK atm. I dont have an issue with GDPK raids at all, I would proberly join them if I had the gold. Just starting to prepare gold and professions for Cata 😊
I get the take here that it's risky to recommend GDKP right now. But until Feb 8 they aren't taking any action and this is a GOLD rush for getting equipment or just free gold. One last ride.. I may have to do one last GDKP myself..What about you? Will you do any last minute GDKPs?
@@NOHITJEROME Thanks for answering! I have done all I feel I can and enough to keep in my head at same time. It’s not on the lvl that you or some others have. But I got all alchemy recipes and herbs for getting it done fast to 225 with what I have on me rn. And a feral gatherer ready at right location to get the others as soon as p2. Did same thing with tailoring but not nearly as much or easy due to mats. Among a lot of minor things to give me a little easier start , but it’s mostly proff prep. Thanks a lot for ur info. I will think even better for p3 this time. U help progress. Ty
Oh those quests take FOREVER but if you have a group it isn't so bad. I unfortunately did it all solo and it took like 3 days..also pretty miserable. Have you done your prequesting yet?
sod easy but dominating sod is hard without some prior prep. you don't want to be surpassed by some sketchy gnomes do you? :D what do you think about doing at least a little prep to stay ahead mike?
You really think so Rando? I think some aspects of the minmax culture lower my enjoyment of the game. Especially when I end up on the floor after 500 ICC pulls..but there's something to be said for pushing for more, for trying to accomplish difficult things and pushing to the limit, isn't there?
@@NOHITJEROME Sure creating challenges for your own sake is great. But playing SOD with an addon that tells what to do and where to go isnt the MMO experience I enjoy. I played to 60 reading every quest and figuring it out on my own before I even knew there was add-ons. It's much more enjoyable figuring it out yourself in my opinion. Not saying you can't have fun making the best use of your time to make the largest gains. But there is no limit to the cringe people put themselves through. First week of BFD and there looking for only best in slot with pots and all quests ready to get in raid. Everyone who does this has bought gold and destroyed what could of been an economy and ushered in reason to use a shitload of bots. Heck even GDKP is thanks to min maxers mindset.
hi janperius, you are right that we need to enjoy the journey of classic. but the journey is less fun when the gnomes are sprinting past me in full bis (or worse yet dancing on my dead body..) don't we need to prep and blast to get ahead of everyone else on the opposite faction?
hi queenmarisa its time to get prepped we have GNOMES TO KILL my friend. are you ready and prepped? I know everything can be done in time..no time to stress
Did you prep for Phase 2?
very dumb video, its wow classic, u dont need any prep. farming bis gear for p2 in p1 is a dumb idea coz it will take so much time to kill mobs with the lvl we r in right now... also levelling alts right now is another dumb idea as blizzard said that in p2, we will have a %50 xp buff until 25... do it if u r %100 free of course. jerome u suck man
no
No I don't prep, I come home turn on PC play game now and here
Yeah this isn’t liable for people with jobs wife’s and kids, I’ll catch up eventually and I’ll still get bis playing casually.
just 18-20 quests on each character. Not even optimized. But hopefully 1.5 lvls.
"Think of phase 2 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for phase 3! Just think of phase 3 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for phase 4!. Just think of phase 4 prep like you're putting in the time now to free up time later. Then the time you free up can be spent prepping for MC!"
Hi BL, this is a very funny comment and it is the truth. I play for the future always and a brighter future.
Each phase I want to position myself in a better place and avoid the pain of missing a raid lockout or failing on a boss or being late to the PvP battleground scene. I just want to do things better each time.
I get that it's sort of a pyramid scheme..but that's the nature of these MMO phases. What about you - are you playing for the now? How do you manage it?
I do not prep on purpose.
I think the min-maxing is great for those that want to do it but also helps me to know the most efficient things to do and i dont think there is anything wrong with that, or playing a different style then the meta
hi Jean, I love your take. it's not so much that we NEED to minmax but wasting time feels very bad..somewhat like how it feels to die on lorgus jett because your healer was dpsing.
it's nice to know the best way to do things. do you feel that way about anything specific? for me goldfarming and not doing the best method feels terrible
GDKP isn’t “controversial”, it’s banned. Permanent account bans are now on the table. Not to mention it helps feed the army of bots that diminish the game for all of us.
Hi Dan, you are right that they are banning GDKPs, I recorded this right before the ban and added the warning after. It's very surprising to me that GDKP is banned, I didn't really think they would go through with that.
It certainly feeds goldbuying and makes gold into the star of the game. But will people really stop running GDKPs even with the threat of bans? People still buy gold with the threat of bans
Gdkps are totally fine imho. Problem is real money trading. They should combat botting instead of baning a legit loot distribution method.
I agree with this ignacio. It feels like they are blaming a result of goldbuying and botting instead of actually trying to solve goldbuying and botting. I hope they will still try to solve those problems..What do you think will happen next? Will the gdkp ban fix our problems?@@ignaciosaenz6352
Don’t send alts gold on another account or y get banned and cannot talk to a human. Talking 80 freaking gold… and after 7 tickets proving I own both accounts cannot talk to a human. Unreal. Good they ban gdkps… those are for the scrubs anyways
That's terrible that you got banned sending gold from character to character..They have automated systems and they just don't know what is actually happening. Will you be getting unbanned soon? I hope@@vladchenkov9215
I LOVE the casual min-max culture rn. Almost all my enjoyment comes from farming these new "prebis" items for the new 10 man raids. Super fun! Most guilds ive seen are pretty casual about gearing anyway
it's gonna be so fun but i'm tellin you gnomer is going to be hard. i'm worreid about failing to clear it today/tmrw. what kind of plans do you have boschea?
Nice Video.
But where do you buy the Flight Path World tour? That works with sod :)
Was wondering this as well. Is this some sort of item that unlocks all the flight paths for 5g? Or are you just paying for summons to get the FPs?
Yea what the hell is this
Warlocks are selling "world tours" currently. They'll summon you to almost every flight path in the game for like 10 gold. That's where you find it.
hi andreas you have to get lucky and find someone selling it. alternatively you can piece together your own world tour from various locks. the hard one to find is kargath as horde.
these locks need 5+ chars to do world tours so it's pretty hard to find. well worth it if you do though. how are your FPs looking?
locks selling all the FPs because they have way too many accounts from wotlk gdkps lol. locks have really pushed the goldmaking this phase and gotten creative. alas mages will ruin them next phase, lock meta will be dead
God I love the comeup Jerome. Happy to see you succeeding. Keep grinding and doing what u love!!!
thanks a lot slik rik, grinding gnomes into the dirt soon too. :D hope you are having a good day, any big p2 plans?
@@NOHITJEROME no solid plans for P2 though I’m leveling my warrior first followed by my lock! Just dungeon grinding and questing!
With the changes to caster loot from dungeons and crafting, the only prebis you need from bfd the sp neck and the trinket. Even the epic weps have decent alternatives you'll more than likley get before 40 if you dungeon grind.
it's true you can get a lot of items outside bfd that are better now. this was pre-change, but still. we might just go in with bfd gear and see what happens. they say the raid won't be too hard, though I suspect kelris level bossfights (at least 1-2)
Oh yeah, it looks like a lot of the gear from dungeons that got changed is pretty on par with bfd loot. I bet going into gnomer with bfd loot will be just fine
I've done all the quests I can for gold, any ideas where to start leveling as horde priest?
hi pmhz docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zd9VqutFxSvLdNklp-ZM6Z78_FnfKmdsZ4bQxVe5BqE/edit#gid=0 this sheet will show you how to optimize leveling with dungeons. do you have a dungeon group planned?
@@NOHITJEROME thanks, awesome! But I'm on the Hord side, so I guess I'm going to kill mobs until 30 :)
i agree to the comment of kakashi. You can kinda compare it with the "real world" every1 needs to be fast better and has the newest shit immediately. Noone is enjoying the journey but gets burned out when he hits everything to fast... i can understand it on retail, but classic wow can be enjoyed with way slower pace
totally agree the burnout is real and rushing does not really pay off. but here i am trying to blast through 25-40..when do we learn. good luck today drbaddave hope you have fun :D
You think it’s better to hand in all pre quest before or after doing bfs?
we are debating that right now. probably bfd 2nd. opens you up to ganks but bfd at 27 seems a lot easier than at 25 doesn't it? what do you plan to do?
@@NOHITJEROME try to dungeon grind and hit lock out then head to bfd then hand in quests. if not probably hit BFD off the bat then hand in quests not sure yet.
Anyone know if I can delete my invokers void pearl trinket and to get an other one?
hi runawaylilgirl they just added a vendor that you can swap for 75g...you think it's worth it? www.wowhead.com/classic/news/bfd-void-trinket-available-in-booty-bay-75g-cost-mustve-completed-the-quest-337595
What is this Worldtouzr Package he is talking about?
if you scan trade chat and lfg bulletin board people sell summons to places like kargath. at least at peak hours. often can get multiple summons from the same guy to multiple locations at a discount. it's insanely nice if your server has a guy like that
How many WSG marks can i give in P2 ? 3marks x3 times?
none they give no xp now just use for xp....rip my friend
I kinda agree with Kakashi, though I haven't had that many bad experiences with min-maxers and parsing. The only complaint I have is that people are way to sweaty. I started a bit late with SOD because I only heard about it 2 weeks after launch. I played classic but that's about it. So it wasn't on my radar. I thought I'd give it a try and I'm enjoying it so far.
The problem I'm having is, I'm a complete casual. Not that much experience. I skipped many dungeons in my classic playthrough. BFD for example. I never did it.
And when I finally reached 25 in SOD, people expected 7/7 exp and asking about gear score and such. Took me like 2 days to find a group who didn't mind having 1 unexperienced player and explaining the raid to me. And to me that's what SOD is all about. Socializing and overcoming these new mechanics and just having a good time.
Hi Janiso, I definitely see the sweat and the gatekeeping aspects are abysmal. It is such a frustrating situation to be in your shoes where you are willing to learn and master the raid and nobody will let you join their group without experience.
Has the vibes of a company asking for 5 years of experience in an industry where nobody could have worked that long lol. (AI perhaps)
I'm glad you managed to find a group in the end and get into the raids because it always feels bad to see that someone has dropped out of raiding entirely due to the gatekeeping. Have you been able to consistently raid ever since? I hope so.
@@NOHITJEROME yes I have been able to raid since then! Ultimately the raid is super easy, that's why I don't understand the gatekeeping, lol. Especially thanks to people like you, who do guide videos and explain certain aspects of the game a casual like me might never find out. So I'm grateful for your work, and thank you for answering me!
Yeah I had one of my guildies rage last night that he wanted to be the only warrior dps so he could parse and you could tell he was actually upset over it 😂😂😂😂 autism is really in these parsers
So just jotting down this list:
1. Pay people to boost you through stockades, ignore the 50% xp boost coming in phase 2.
2. Get runes... nudge people to spend money to be summoned to rune locations?
3. Get waylaid supply rep now, you definitely don't want to do it when the rewards are increased in phase 2. Do not stockpile completed supplies.
4. Buy 12 slot bags now, don't level tailoring and make yourself Mageweave bags in phase 2.
5. Get BIS gear now, before you just replace most of it in phase 2... because BFD gear will definitely be necessary and not overshadowed or more easily farmed later.
The rest of it is getting mats, gold and flightpaths, maybe headstarting quests... I didn't see anything to poke at there; those all are reasonable and would be more beneficial to do sooner than later... but the rest other than getting all your phase 1 runes seem like more trouble and more costly than they are worth.
hi conformistowl i know a lot of these seems obvious or over the top but man i got crazy excited with the p2 launch coming. it's going to be an absolute blast logged out in bfd ready to go :D you got any big day1 plans?
@@NOHITJEROME Nah, just gonna enjoy it; even if Phase 3 comes faster than 2, there's still probably 2 months of time to kill. I don't need to rush anything.
Hmm, I have not found a functional version of Gathermate on Curseforge. Can you please tell where you got yours from? Tyvm
Hi Al, great question. I lost my mind setting up Gathermate2. You need 1.47.2 which is here www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gathermate2-classic/files/4724035 - if you use any other version it won't work. It's the wrath version I believe, very confusing terminology. Did you try 1.47.2 yet?
@@NOHITJEROMENot tested it yet, but will try it tomorrow and report in. 😅 Tyvm
Excellent Al, if that doesn't work let me know because I did manage it. Had a 2 hour session of pulling my hair out. I believe my problem was that I was looking at the WOTLK tag on curseforge thinking it wouldn't work but the reality was ONLY the newest version works.
been wondering this myself thanks for an answer jerome
I just tested 1.47.2 and can confirm that it is working with SoD game version. Thank you very much, this really helped. ✌️
You dont need to do any prep. Its the most casual version of wow ever. Literally do as you choose.
it's true bob you are not wrong but man I have some p1 regrets. it's nice to go into p2 knowing you are doing everything possible to succeed. do you have any p1 regrets? I missed a full clear the first lockout..it hurt
@@NOHITJEROME No i have zero regrets. I missed the first two weeks. Im still full biz doing 95% parses playing casually. There is no need to rush.
Great video NOHITJEROME, this is helpful and concise!
As for the min maxing, I don't let it bother me much. Sure, there's some people who like to play the game that way but I don't. Actually, I believe the majority of players aren't min maxing. Just because it exists doesn't mean you need to participate and casual players shouldn't feel pressured to play that way.
Streamers and their communities highlight min maxing a bit more. It's a streamers job to play WoW and the people who follow them probably make a lot of time for the game. For someone like me who plays casually and with friends, it's important to take a step back and enjoy the game for what I like about it.
Hi Bryce, thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you are able to enjoy the game without feeling the pressure to play a specific way. Actually having a choice in the matter must be very freeing and make the game more fun as a result. It is undoubtedly true that streamers highlight min maxing much more.
I find myself often more stressed watching streams and seeing how the streamers are playing and creating that urgency to play a specific way. I will always be watching streams and having that happen so it is inevitable.
I would definitely prefer to be able to step back and enjoy the good parts of the game at least some of the time.
Do you find yourself avoiding streams around new expansion/phase launches to keep your enjoyment levels high? Or are you just able to avoid getting peer pressured entirely
Honestly, I'd say I enjoy watching streams like yours more around launch because of the hype. Especially with SoD, I'm **discovering** it alongside the streamers and I can use it as a way to learn. Ultimately I just keep in mind that streamers have an edge that someone without a following won't have. Even meta rune, for example, is an achievement for a casual player but for a streamer it's more of a "check in the box."
Aside from entertaining content and community, I watch streams and YT videos like this one to learn stuff I wouldn't have found out on my own. @@NOHITJEROME
doesn't stakc with enrage I think they talk about the enrage talent in the fury tree
which ability doesn't stack with enrage silzos? sorry for late reply
My raid leader is a Parse Is Everything type player. I think this is missing the point of SoD. I am enjoying playing WarCraft again. If we are clearing BFD under 40 mins; why worry about the gawddam parse?
I get that Yuric - I just did a run where we specifically stopped DPS on gelihast to maximize some parses..I far prefer the speedrun style IF we are going to go hard. So maybe 2-3 runs of chill then a speedrun where we all get buffed and try hard.
Parses feel too intentional right now, you have to really change the way you play to get a good parse. Do you enjoy the speedrun style more or do you just want to chill in every raid?
@@NOHITJEROME I will go hard and balls to the wall if the mood is right; but I hate the added stress of this "parse" mechanic. Like who seriously thinks being 100 or as close as possible is going to give you some Achievement in game. It does literally nothing. Oh I'm sorry we didn't clear the raid in 25 mins as opposed to 40 mins. WTF. I have heard of the 10 min speed run clear which seems insane to me. What is that? 6 mages and 4 support?
Parsing is in the eye of the beholder. The population is big enough for any level experience or skill player to find a band of people as such to play the game with. It’s the same content as everyone else at the end of the day, with the same reset timer, with the same loot table. By a large margin, the player base is not stressing over maxing sweat for top parse %’s. As long as they aren’t wiping and are having successful raid clears. Overall imo it is a cool tool for the game that has helps people become better players, if that’s what they want. I strive to do well within raids and focus up because I like to see myself parsing well, it is personally rewarding to reflect on performance I felt impressed about for myself mostly as well as competition and comparisons with others. It’s what you make it and you don’t have to follow those trends or guilds/players if you do not want to. Always look out for the ones who are willing to diminish and discard raid tactics/overall raid success, having only tunnel vision, self-serving goals to always be the ‘top’ dps or heals on that parse sheet, is all that matters to them. They are abundant and inevitably can cause more harm than good, especially when focus is progression and making sure you’re doing what you need to be doing collectively as a raid for the boss to die. If everyone in a 40 man raid acted as so self-serving, it would be meat head zug zug mayhem sh*t show, especially in progression attempts. Lastly, It’s also a great tool for especially raid leaders to track things or look back if needed in order to fully understand what happened during the fight, etc. I have spoken.
As someone who raided mythic on retail pretty hardcore I gotta say min-maxing on current level is cringe imo and most ppl aren't even good enough to utilize the min-max anyway, but it's not my business how others want to play.
Hi MT, I fully agree that min maxing can be cringe especially gatekeeping players and stopping them from joining the community.
But if I don't do SOME min max I lose interest in the game especially as a healer. Have to work towards something or I fall asleep mid raid lol.
How do you keep yourself motivated without the minmax culture?
@@NOHITJEROME Oh, don't get me wrong. I love min-maxing, hell, Cata's stats reforging is to this day one of my fave systems they have every implemented (for post wotlk-era, tho it would have been interesting to have in wotlk), but I will only min-max my 60's because imo it's the only time it will really matter. However I do it for probably the same reason as you. Because it's fun :D So what's keeping me motivated is knowing I can truly take my time and enjoy the game before the max level chaos will be unleashed when we finally get there. I guess it's just a case of enjoying the calm before the storm and the oncoming storm itself :)
Hi MT, I am very excited for the cata reforging and I like that style of gear minmaxing. Frankly it's disappointing to have a bis gearpiece and see everyone else with the exact same items.
Would be nice to differentiate gear in some way. I do like that mindset of being able to enjoy the calm before the storm.
The problem for me is that the storm sweeps me up and it's very hard to relax and enjoy things if I see others far ahead of me. I envy your ability to do this.
@@NOHITJEROME Yeah I get that feeling. I used to have it when I only played wow, though it will def come back at 60 for me, prob a bit earlier since the gearing starts before 60, but you catch my drift. One of the good things of SoD now is that it gives you time to enjoy other games too imo, which prevents a lot of my burnout I would get from playing this game since TBC ^^ and yeah, reforging again is really exciting. It was the perfect system for its time, allowing you to hit your spec's thresholds easier, like assa's 17% (or was it 21?) hit cap. Also keep it up with your videos, they are super chill to watch.
Hi MT, I do like that SoD is preventing a lot of burnout and it lets you come in and out whenever you want.
They are adding a 1-25 50% XP bonus, as well as a new sleeping bag item to give rested xp similar to Turtle WoW if you ever heard of that pserver. Finally we can gain xp while asleep.. :D
I do like the reforging system, it is surprising we have never seen such a system in vanilla. Would you like to see it in Classic? Or is it too close to cata/retail
I create my own pugs, so i don't ever have to worry about being gatekept when it comes to content. People should get used to leading groups, instead of waiting around for someone to invite them. Especially while these are 10 man raids, get used to it before it becomes 40 player content, creating a group is sometimes just inviting other random people to do a big dungeon together.
i love that you make your own groups and that makes perfect sense. you will be punished the least with the gdkp change I am sure. your approach is what I wish more people followed but unfortunately they do not..even planning gnomer runs will be hard. do you have a gnomer already set up and planned?
No gnomes planned, I just invite random, and look for the mare minimum by my standards. I try not to inv all bis people because then the gear that drops is kinda worthless
Lots of people have different views as to what makes wow 'fun' for them. For me, it's speed running and trying to do as much damage as I can
I'm also really into the wpvp!
Hi Glock, I love the speedrunning scene and would like to get into that myself. I think that's a completely valid approach to the game. If only I could find a speedrun group with the same mindset for at least one character. How did you manage to find your group initially?
awsome video! thanks! :D
thanks so much for saying that fies. I hope you are ready for p2 gnome murdering :D anything in particular you plan to do first?
I have so much IRL stuff to do atm that i bearly can play, i try to get my 23 Warri to 25 before the next Phase. Today i bought some investments from the AH (more speculative than smart) and finished my Phase 1 Recap Video... sooo we will see how it goes @@NOHITJEROME
i started in classic re release 2019 and got super hooked from classic to wotlk. I came from competitive tournament level Overwatch so I treated this game the same. I think there are two kinds of people that play this game, the drunk boomer just playing for fun, and the adderall zoomer trying to get the largest numbers. Both are valid, you just need to find a group that serves the way you play.
Hi Dishware, that's fascinating that you come from comp OW and started in 2019, I had a similar path.
The way players treat comp OW is very serious in my experience. I got flamed a LOT playing attack torbjorn. (sorry about doing that lol) I would imagine coming to WoW you have found it a lot more relaxed and less intense.
Getting the largest numbers is not quite at the stress level the same as getting farmed in comp OW from my experience. How has the OW to WoW transition been for you?
@@NOHITJEROME I think the biggest thing I took away from playing high level Overwatch was the love of self improvement in my gameplay. There are a lot of players like that in wow so I was able to find some hardcore guilds who were willing to put in effort to achieve cool stuff. I love how in wow there is that flow from a 'free' play where you have a lot of the tools to just make your own fun and 'objective' oriented play where there is a goal and you can optimize towards it.
Hi Dishware, I love that you were able to take away such a valuable lessen from OW. I learned that lesson from DotA when I played it and unfortunately never translated it to WoW.
As a healer I simply don't have much reason to push myself and it leads to very lackluster effort on my part. Having a top hardcore guild to push and achieve things would help me a lot, though the guild I'm in is solid. (not flaming them they are good players)
Oddly the part you like about the free play and setting your own goal is the part that overwhelms me and causes problems. I wish I had a very clear and direct goal on what to do at all times. OW certainly had that and DotA as well.
I don't think the parse/minmax culture is bad, it kind of depends on the person that is as well. I minmax because its fun and sometimes I get into groups with people that are geared and are just playing casually not using the right runes to actually do DPS, in my eyes I find that kind of annoying. When they have so much access to info that will help them at least do average damage. I have no actual hate for the casual player base when they just try to have fun, it just tends to make my experience worse when I or the group has to carry them.
When people say Min Maxing and Parsing ruining game it makes me think they garbo and expect to be carried all the time. At first, I never peeked at logs when filling spots on raid since most our members do solid damage me being lowest as a shaman tank at 100 DPS average and i figure we didnt have to. But then you get those pugs who play S-Tier dps fighting our restro druid for 8th place DPS. Too many people have Main Character Syndrome and don't realize I am not going to waste 9 other players time because you don't want to spend a little time on your character. Plus it SUCKS losing gear to a player doing 40 DPS.
Hi Brandon, I suppose the question is whether the dislike of minmaxing culture comes from not being part of it OR if they were part of it and burned out as a result. I completely agree with your point that if someone joins and doesn't put in effort it drags the whole group down.
The difference is when they want to improve or if they are satisfied with where they are. If they don't want to improve it can lead to a lot of drama..or just people losing interest in the raid entirely. And they always get the gear even putting in low effort like you said. The less effort you do the higher the loot luck lol.
Have you had a lot of experiences with people not looking to improve in SoD? And just expecting all the loot? It has been rare for me but I've seen it a few times.
I don’t think “Min Maxing” is even an issue currently. People who complain about Min Maxing are saying it just because it’s a term that gets thrown around a lot. It's easier to blame something else. I slowed down raiding on alts lately and just been raid logging on Main for about 2 weeks. But when I want to raid on an alt, I send a whisper to a few people who post in LFG and would hop into a PuG relatively easily. Some of my alts I don’t log on and they don’t have logs. The only time I got asked about logs was when they wanted to know if I knew the fights. The only time I can see it being a bit more Elitist is new phases for a little cause people want to clear the content. Once people figure out how the raid works and get their feet wet the “min maxing” dies down. Minus some of the sweaty guilds.
With as many people who take criticism as a personal attack it’s not even worth trying to help randoms. I used to try pm players helpful tips and 90% of the time they tell you play your own class or something a bit ruder.
There will be 50% exp boost from 1 to 25 tho
Hi Serg, it's a great point there will be a 50% xp boost and presumably more waylaid supply XP. But do you want to be stuck leveling even at 50% increased speed 1-25? You want to be in gnomeregan getting farmed by Thermaplugg. :D Will you really want to be leveling 1-25 instead at that time Serg?
@@NOHITJEROME Depends. If you are really intent on having basically two or more mains and not miss a single raid lockout on either one of them, then sure. But otherwise i still would wait for the +50% XP and use those hours doing something else that will benefit the main more. I would focus on things that don't take too long, but still give a decent benefit. Like getting the runes/flightpaths.
How is it saving time if you spend more time leveling? 😅
Not gonna touch any alts until phase 2, would just be a colossal waste of time cos there's no point to try to get them decked out now.@@NOHITJEROME
I recently got the BFD Quest Trinket for the 2nd time on the same character , IF i delete my already equipped trinket. It will be able to re-start the Quest and gain XP + Trinket from it?
don't believe so, the quest seems to be a one time thing. but there are better trinkets in p2 - have you seen the new bloodmoon pvp trinkets? they will be better
I feel like there is room enough for the whole community, people that wanna minmax and ppl that wanna play casually, theres plenty of BFD pugs with no requirements to join, and with some gear most wsg premades in trade chat will take you aswell. Also I feel like the minmax community is much smaller than the casual community in SoD, hence why I said that theres room for everybody.
I Love min-maxing it gives me a reason to play the game. But casually XD
Casual min max, I like it. How do you casually min max? Full consumes, bis gear, but with only a few hours per day? What are you - a WoW savant? :D
Obviously he is getting that feeling from somewhere like the people he plays with. Kakashi just needs to join a new guild or join one if he isn't in one. Play with people that share your same attitude/playstyle. Simple as that.
Hi Bartlett, that's a great response. I do think the guild very much determines how much you enjoy the game. Some guilds I feel like people only are in them to brag about their accomplishments.
Leads to nonstop achievement spam (in Wrath)..nonstop "I just got this new epic" type stuff which is great but man it can wear on you if you are behind. Was extra rough with the GDKPs, everyone bragging about how much gold they made..the cheap items they bought.
Now they are getting rid of GDKPs though, maybe that is enough to bring the community back together. Do you think it will have any positive impact?
So basically hit 25, get runes and gear? Thanks, exactly the info i was looking for. What
don't forget flightpaths..full stock of consumes based on each levelup..plan your build in advance (and respec for leveling)..boon DMF for gnomeregan, get recipes for p2 ready to go. you got all that reaady? :D
Thx but i dont prep the phase 2 because if i do that... after 2 weeks ill be 40 Full stuff 😂😂 Take your time guys 😁👍
Hi Goldenace, I like your approach. It's the approach I would prefer to take. But somehow I go crazy and start losing my mind if I'm behind everyone else lol. I don't know how you manage to stay calm watching everyone else finishing the raid and doing all the new content. Is it meditation? Or your brain just works better than mine
@@NOHITJEROME hahaha that’s so true.
No, I have prepared quests for only my hunter but not for my other 4 characters otherwise I am afraid of arriving at the same stage as in phase 1 and just farming gold and bfd over and over again...
But yes it’s too tempting to see everyone rushing we want to be among the first to enjoy degnomeragan 😁
That's really all you need. Prequesting 1 character nearly sent me to an early grave. I am very happy to just do 1 character.
I think you are making the right call. I hope I will not lose my mind if I get behind. Will need to reach out to you for advice on that lol@@goldenace3457
@@NOHITJEROME Hahaha I'll have you do some yoga to master your body and mind. Thanks for all your videos anyway.
I will do it, it is time to master my body and mind. First step..getting out of this chair. Prognosis: not looking good@@goldenace3457
So buy boost buy summons buy gdkp and done nice vodeo mate good to know .........
it sounds bad when you put it that way but I gotta be honest this is how a lot of players think. maybe it's the way cowardly alliance players think at least. what about you - do you completely avoid all those activities? an honorable man
I’m just gonna play the game lol.
it's a good idea bmcash just play the game. but we need to get ready to kill gnomes (in and out of gnomeregan :D) - can't do that without some prior prep and knowledge can we? i am only good when I plan ahead
Min/maxing SOD is kind of counterintuitive to the culture of this current season -- being discovery, slowing things down, making them easier on purpose.
That being said, I have done Phase 2 prep (thanks for the guides my guy!) and I enjoy the high level content so I'm not gonna say it's all bad. It's just a preferred playstyle.
GDKPs needed to be banned and I'm very glad they will be moving forward. Gold buying, to me, has very little excuse and ruins the in-game economy. Taking out large gold sinks is a nice community building regulatory feature.
If you're so pressed for time that you justify buying gold or you relied on GDKPs for income, I'm sorry to say that I think you should play other versions of WoW where those things are either
a) allowed explicitly by Blizzard as they will sell you the gold and items themselves
or
B) a classic version where GDKPs and gold buying are still basically allowed
SOD is already absurdly easy (runes are busted in so many ways lmao) so the min/maxing benefit is significantly decreased unless you're just really into world firsts or speedrunning -- which is fine! -- there's little reason for it.
Hi Shinyshoez, I completely agree that minmaxing is counterintuitive to the idea of Season of Discovery. But like you said if you just ignore the high level content you end up missing a fun aspect of the game. Slow turtle runs can only get me so far lol
As for GDKPs, we will see what ends up happening. Maybe the goldbuying and botting will plummet. I would like to see that very much.
Do you believe the GDKP ban will have positive results?
@@NOHITJEROME Yeah, good point. There's a balance.
I think the content is easy enough that as long as people learn fights, it's usually not an issue. Maybe I've just been lucky.
I do believe the ban will be overall a positive on the game and encourage people to join and stick with guilds to gear up.
Thank the blizzard gods for no more GDKP. Gold buyers and sellers are the only ones upset.
no gdkp may be the right call or a mistake. will more groups really start doing soft reserve runs?
If you’re worried about min/maxing or your parses, you’re playing the wrong game. That’s not what sod is about (at least not for me.)
Minmaxing/parses has never mattered that much in any version of the game. Issues arise when someone who's not a minmaxer joins a guild that intends to minmax. If you just want to play the game, do some light raiding and such, there are metric tons of guilds that do just that where no one has purple parses or cares that much about how prepared you are, if that's what you want from the game.
Sure, It's never mattered that much to most players. And of course, people can play any way they want. My point is SoD is ALL "light raiding" and nostalgia with some fun new content. Getting sweaty about any version of WoW has always seemed silly to me. SoD doubly so.@@MidWitPride
Hi NHJerome,
I did no prep. I am disappointed since P2 annoucement.
The thing is, and we can see it from the time phase 2 was announced:
Or people doesn't play anymore, that's the sad beauty of patchs, it gives us a seeUlater hype (much less people in TB since then, did you notice?),
Or people only play to prepare for next. So what's the point of the current game? ☺
I see more people in TB now since the announcement.
Ur silly lol
Hi Gary, the nature of the subscription based game is that we will always be hyping up the next content and getting excited for it.
We can't be satisfied with what we have now. I wish we could just play the same patch and get updates consistently and reliably. It would be my dream too instead of having to play 40 hours on Feb 8 to keep pace.
Maybe microsoft will get rid of subscriptions and allow us to play that way. Do you think it will ever happen?
definitely a lot of people panic prepping now. last minute gdkps (lol). have you been prepping as a result kiirbstomp?
I see his point somewhat of being exhausted by the cyclical nature of the game. If we didn't have paid subscriptions we wouldn't need to do phases this way. Could slowly roll things out over time and give us a better overall experience. Don't see them ever getting rid of subs though..
Wouldnt it be just more efficient time use to level up new toons once p2 comes out since they will introduce a 50% exp gain to 25? Feel like leveling alts now is just a waste of time when you can wait less than a week and get joyous journeys 1-25
hi zStC1 I completely understand your point and it's a solid point to make. but to me the leveling still has to take place even if you are getting 50% boosted xp. did joyous journeys in WOTLK motivate you to level a gnome from 1-80? (with weird hair and a sketchy beard)
It didn't do that for me. But it DID motivate me to level some mid 60-70 characters to 80. Curious how you approached wrath - was it similar to how I did?
@@NOHITJEROME You are talking about leveling now vs leveling later, either way you are leveling so motivation to level an alt has already been established. And as you said, leveling has to take place, so why not wait for it to get a boost? In theory, any method to level now will only be improved in phase 2 in the 1-25 bracket with the boost.
To summerize this guide, get gold to pay for service with gold so you don't have to play this game yourself. Abuse GDKP while you still can.
yess dawuid and with that gold you get a mount in p2 and ride around picking herbs, mining, slaying gnomes :D anything you want to do. what can you do without gold?
my p2 prep is looking at other games i might play when my suspiscion that ranged hunter is the new shadowpriest, are confirmed. my min-max is just viable ranged, or bbye wow.
Hmm..other games..I am with you but unfortunately there are no other games. Blizzard has us handcuffed. Hunter will be launching traps 400 yards across AB and there's nothing we can do about it. But surely there must be something you are looking forward to in phase 2. You must be excited for some aspect of the news
hunters gonna be crazy?
Hunters will be absurd @weariestrogue. The trap launcher..but also melee hunter itself will be broken. Trap launcher just seems poorly designed for PvP. I can already imagine slow walking towards blacksmith as I get mowed down..Have I convinced you to play Hunter yet? lol
@@NOHITJEROME look. i played hunter 20 yrs, because its ranged phys class. thats not viable in p2. its BM and DW in pve. spam that raptor/KC macro, and stay in melee as much as u can. advantage, u can also do a bit of damage if melee has to run out. i agree, it is probably good, somewhere in the middle of the parsed classes. feral, warrior, shammy and mage will be ahead. likely rogue and lock on par or so.
for pvp, as a deep surv spec with wyvern, p2 hunter is too much fun to be allowed to stay - traplauncher will be nerfed, the CD changed and duration of procs from mastery changed, atleast. thats week 2 of p2. as well, the BM will be OP again, and we know what that means as well. seeing the accident before it happens, just prolongs the agony, no?
but the ranged (MM) hunter will be a meme. purely there to buff melee, played by the likes of me, because i detest the melee hunter as a thing. i was there when the memes started, now its THE spec. it horrifies me, honoestly. i dont think i can do it. it goes against every aspect of the game i loved.
if steadyshot and expose weakness didnt share slots and sniper training lasted 6-7 sec, and we had a QoL tome to convert strength to agility - id be happy nuff
not gonna happen tho, is it.
Hi Sebastian, I respect that you played hunter for 20 years and enjoy the ranged physical nature of the class. But isn't BM going to be a lot of fun? Ripping people up with Bestial Wrath.
The melee aspect is very controversial and may prove to be a mistake. I get you not liking the idea of melee hunter especially since you fell in love with the ranged gameplay.
MM may not be a complete meme though, Trueshot aura may be enough to make them necessary in such a melee-oriented meta. (at least that's how things are trending) I just think Blizzard has their hands full with pets right now and they don't know how to balance BM and MM at the same time.
They will probably give MM a look in P3 if it is still dead. I hope you have not quit the game by then.@@sebastianbergstl4423
When it comes to minmax culture, i don't think it's that big of a deal, as usually the tryhards and the casuals don't interact that much with each other. Minmaxers don't run dungeon pugs, but farm with their guildies. When it comes to the open world, minmaxers are usually doing some esoteric niche farm in middle of nowhere that casuals aren't even aware of. If someone does not want to minmax, then they should join a guild that doesn't minmax either, there's plenty of those around.
It's quite rare to see any of the top5% players of the server go around harassing casuals, as they have very few shared activities in the game, and minmaxers have very little to gain from interacting with people who aren't as dedicated as they are. From what i've seen usually the people who are the most against "minmaxers" are those who tried really hard to be one of the minmaxers, joined a tryhardy guild, didn't read up on the mechanics/gear their character correctly/have the correct weakauras or otherwise didn't perform as expected, and got yelled. Now they are mad about "toxic elitism".
Jerome my prep is yelling at u to give me stuff. Also come join the farmers union brother
Hi tazanian this is a great strategy. Unfortunately my prep is to lock up the free action potion vault and keep them all for myself. You will need to start farming centaurs for 4 gold an hour for the next 100 hours straight. Good luck, I hope this works for you.
@@NOHITJEROME fuck
u better be ready for wsg spam 16 hours straight im ready
I thought u didn't want me!
i don't think the min max is making the game less fun just feels a little un-needed its like a simple 10 man raid and going into the raid fully blind takes maybe 1 or 2 clears to get the hang of it in true classic your min maxing to a big 40 man raid soo it feels more of a guild effort rather then running an ubers also kinda disappointed that they made gnomer a 10 man with another 3 set tier just seems kinda half assed imo
I agree it's unneeded and I spent 500 gold on prep and it's pretty silly because gnomer will be an easy 10man. but I need something fun to do and it kept me distracted a while lol. you ready my friend? time is ticking :D
im not as prepared as most but im decent off going into the phase honestly ive been spending most of my time playing turtle wow its really my favorite form of classic wow and its got more to come@@NOHITJEROME
I didn’t felt the buzz for SoD! But starting to enjoy wotlk a lot again! Rewatching a lot of your videos 😊
No buzz? I hope the wrath is going well at least. I still do 1 weekly wrath raid, the buff makes the raids fast and fun. GDKPs (if you are morally ok with them) keep the gold flowing. I'm saving up to host some big tournaments and get fangs of the father in cata. What about you? :D
@@NOHITJEROME I’m enjoying wotlk! Trying to make some Gold and leveling a DK atm. I dont have an issue with GDPK raids at all, I would proberly join them if I had the gold. Just starting to prepare gold and professions for Cata 😊
phase 2 prep? you are fucking nuts
it's coming tomorrow slick we gotta get ready. did you prep at all? the gnome slaughter must commence my friend
lmao, imagine recommending running a GDKP days after Blizzard finally decided to ban them
I get the take here that it's risky to recommend GDKP right now. But until Feb 8 they aren't taking any action and this is a GOLD rush for getting equipment or just free gold.
One last ride..
I may have to do one last GDKP myself..What about you? Will you do any last minute GDKPs?
WINDFURY
WINDFURY sir are you playing p2 in a dungeon cleave going for wf gnomeregan?
I love ur voice
thanks so much lexxisful. hope you are having a lovely day and no gnomes are trying to kill you. how goes the phase 2 prep?
@@NOHITJEROME Thanks for answering! I have done all I feel I can and enough to keep in my head at same time. It’s not on the lvl that you or some others have. But I got all alchemy recipes and herbs for getting it done fast to 225 with what I have on me rn. And a feral gatherer ready at right location to get the others as soon as p2. Did same thing with tailoring but not nearly as much or easy due to mats. Among a lot of minor things to give me a little easier start , but it’s mostly proff prep. Thanks a lot for ur info. I will think even better for p3 this time. U help progress. Ty
Jerome is BIS
thanks again peter saw your comment here too that's sweet. p2 gonna be sick
STV is going to be a bloodbath bro! 😎
lol "one day of questing"... me: how does he do all that in 1 hr?
Oh those quests take FOREVER but if you have a group it isn't so bad. I unfortunately did it all solo and it took like 3 days..also pretty miserable. Have you done your prequesting yet?
all your characters lol someone is at home all day
yes i am stuck in the basement. no ladies nothing but wow..rip. but p2 will be fun at least. are you ready?
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First minute of 5 minutes or less video wasted 😁
nooo goremachine no time to waste my friend. we need to prep for p2, we have gnomes to kill. are you ready?
Sod easy.
sod easy but dominating sod is hard without some prior prep. you don't want to be surpassed by some sketchy gnomes do you? :D what do you think about doing at least a little prep to stay ahead mike?
@NOHITJEROME I think people going to be grinding SM. From memory if u start early Sat morning you'll be 40 Sat night / sun morning and off to mara.
Min maxers ruin this game and have sense day one.
You really think so Rando? I think some aspects of the minmax culture lower my enjoyment of the game. Especially when I end up on the floor after 500 ICC pulls..but there's something to be said for pushing for more, for trying to accomplish difficult things and pushing to the limit, isn't there?
@@NOHITJEROME Sure creating challenges for your own sake is great. But playing SOD with an addon that tells what to do and where to go isnt the MMO experience I enjoy. I played to 60 reading every quest and figuring it out on my own before I even knew there was add-ons. It's much more enjoyable figuring it out yourself in my opinion.
Not saying you can't have fun making the best use of your time to make the largest gains. But there is no limit to the cringe people put themselves through. First week of BFD and there looking for only best in slot with pots and all quests ready to get in raid. Everyone who does this has bought gold and destroyed what could of been an economy and ushered in reason to use a shitload of bots. Heck even GDKP is thanks to min maxers mindset.
goood luck hozi i know you will blast
Horrible Video. Better go back to Retail. Try to enjoy the Journey of Classic.
hi janperius, you are right that we need to enjoy the journey of classic. but the journey is less fun when the gnomes are sprinting past me in full bis (or worse yet dancing on my dead body..) don't we need to prep and blast to get ahead of everyone else on the opposite faction?
these prep videos are lol
hi queenmarisa its time to get prepped we have GNOMES TO KILL my friend. are you ready and prepped? I know everything can be done in time..no time to stress